Stereotypes In The Dan Schneider-verse

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Introduction In 1994 an ad went out in a UK newspaper   called The Stage asking young girls aged 18-23  to audition for a new pop girl group. Hundreds   of girls auditioned and in an American Idol-esque  fashion, girls were placed into groups of 10, were   all asked to perform the same song, “Stay” by  eternal and then successful contestants were   allowed to do a solo audition with a song of their  choice. After about two more rounds of auditions,   it was narrowed down to five girls, Melanie  Brown, Victoria Beckham, Geri Halliwell,   Emma Bunton and Melanie Chisholm. The group was  officially formed and they were to be known as   the pop girl group Touch. The name wouldn’t stick  though and after two years and multiple changes in   management and representation the group landed  on the name Spice Girls. In 1996 the group put   out what would be their most popular song ever,  “wannabe”, the song was massively successful,   was number one for multiple weeks in many  different countries and launched the group   into international superstardom, cementing their  place as one of the best selling girl groups of   all time. A couple months after the release of  their smash hit, a journalist from the magazine   Top of the pop, a british gossip magazine,  did an interview with the group where he gave   each of the girl’s different nicknames, it’s  rumoured that the journalist, Peter Lorraine,   did this because he could not be bothered to  remember their actual names. In the story he   ran for the magazine he dubbed Victoria Beckham  ‘Posh Spice”, Melanie Chishom “Sporty Spice”,   Emma Bunton “Baby Spice”, Geri Halliwell “Ginger  Spice” and Melanie Brown “Scary Spice”. The   nicknames stuck and the group even embraced and  adopted them in future appearances, in fact these   nicknames are still commonly how people refer to  each member of the group. When asked about why   he chose those names Peter had this to say: “Posh was the first one to be thought up because   Victoria looks pretty sophisticated. The rest  were pretty easy really because the girls’   characters were already really strong,” “The names jumped out at us. We laughed the   most when we came up with Scary. Jennifer  Cawthron, who was also from Leeds, came up   with that one because Mel B was so loud and had  tried to take over our whole photo shoot.”   The angry black woman stereotype dominates several  areas of popular culture, it’s an archetype that   most of us are used to seeing even if we can’t  give it a name. In fact it is so pervasive that   many black women at some point in their lives  have been deemed difficult or angry. It is   characterised by depicting black women as being  loud, aggressive, irritable and angry.   Now this stereotype is something that immediately  stood out to me when working on Schnedierverse   video last year., but at the time I didn’t want  to include it in that video because I felt like   it would open a much larger conversation around  the problematic nature of Dan Schneider shows   and that wasn’t what that video was supposed  to be about. But I think I’m finally ready to   have this conversation. So a couple months ago I  embarked on a huge journey of rewatching all the   Dan Schneider sitcoms for a larger video about  the inconsistencies in the universe. During that   journey I noticed a lot of different stuff that  made me uncomfortable to say the least, you know   one time is weird, two times is a coincidence,  three times there’s a pattern. So I wanted to   highlight what I felt were problematic depictions  of non-white and non-american characters in the   schneider universe, particularly the depiction of  black women. Now the reason I’m calling it the Dan   Schneider Universe is because besides these shows  being created and produced by the same person,   they also have very similar tones, jokes and  writers and are largely believed to take place   in a shared universe. So you end up finding  one problematic element duplicated in different   shows in the universe. And the depiction of black  women particularly stood out to me honestly even   as a kid. I grew up in the 2000s and 2010s so my  Nickelodeon experience was mostly Drake and Josh,   iCarly and Victorious and when watching those  shows I knew that if a black woman character was   on those shows, specifically a dark skinned black  woman, she’s probably gonna be depicted in a very   stereotypical way. Now there’s been renewed  reexamining of the Nickelodeon shows produced   by Dan Schneider and I just want to make it clear  that this video is not going to be an examination   on the character Dan Schneider, nor is it going to  be an evaluation on the experience of actors who   worked on his show, there’s a lot of other sources  out there for that. This video is really just one   topic that I honestly hesitated a lot to talk  about, but is something ultimately I felt could   offer new insight in how we engage with these  bodies of work. And I already know that some of   this might be controversial, but let’s talk about.  Let’s finally have the race conversation.   Helen Dubois Helen was a recurring   character on the tv show Drake and Josh. She  ran the movie theatre that Josh worked at and   was played by Yvette Nicole Brown, funnily enough  there was one episode where she was played by a   different actress, Frances Callier and that was  only because Yvette was busy filming a different   tv show. Helen’s characterization in Drake and  Josh was kind of the archetypal angry black woman   trope that we see in pretty much all the other  black women characters. She was a no nonsense,   take charge kind of lady. And honestly I really  liked Helen as a character. I thought she was   very funny and I never really thought twice  about the way she was depicted throughout   the series. I particularly like her interaction  with Josh. I always thought it was funny how she   favoured Drake and couldn’t stand Josh, even  forgetting who he was most of the time.   Helen would be seen in other shows in the  Dan Schneider universe as well; she appeared   in Victorious and Game Shakers. And one of the  more notable depictions of Helen was that people   around her were scared of her. Even though in her  characterization, she was for the most part sweet   albeit a bit strict, other characters respond to  her with fear. And that’s kind of a running theme   we see with different black woman characters in  the schneider verse, people are scared of them,   they’re seen as loud and aggressive. And despite  the fact that Helen is depicted in this way,   my feelings towards her are decidedly mixed.  Because on one hand I really enjoy this character   and I don’t necessarily think the depiction of  this character alone is a harmful representation   of a black woman. Helen is confident, she finds  love, she’s fierce, she’s a manager, she becomes   a principal and then the host of her own talk  show. There’s just an air of self assurance when   it comes to her and I find that really compelling.  Not to mention she’s genuinely really funny and   lights up almost every scene she’s in. Those are  not exactly what I would categorise as harmful   depictions of Black women. But because the other  characters around her respond to her as this very   difficult and scary person, even if Helen has all  those great attributes it’s immediately overlooked   and she’s pushed into this box, where’s  know only seen as just another angry black   woman. She’s loud, aggressive and scary. And it’s really sad that that is distinctly how   so many characters respond to her and act towards  her because there were so many bright spots of her   characterization especially in Drake and Josh,  where she’s depicted as being really sweet and   really funny. But that’s why stereotypes are so  powerful. Once we make the association in our   minds about where this character belongs and  who they are, they kind of always stay there,   even if there’s new information to challenge  that idea. It doesn’t matter what else Helen   has done or how she actually acts, or whether  she has moments of vulnerability because if   everyone around her sees her as an angry  black woman, then that’s all she is.   Jocelyn Let’s talk about Jocelyn. So Jocelyn was a   bully that only appeared in one episode of iCarly,  episode iMake Sam Girlier. In this episode Sam has   a crush on a guy and when he’s invited to Sam’s  birthday party everyone talks about how strong she   is and how she’s just like one of the guys. This  rubs Sam the wrong way, because she thinks this   guy won’t like her if she isn’t girly enough.  Anyways in this episode there’s a new student,   a bully called Jocelyn and just look at this. So  again we see Jocelyn fall into this angry black   woman stereotype, but even more so, because  Jocelyn is a lot bigger and muscular than the   other kids, which is no coincidence seeing as the  actress was a grown woman when this aired and was   also a professional basketball player. So there  is kind of this dehumanisation thing going on with   this character where she’s really just a monster.  Nothing like a typical bully, she’s super strong,   towers over all the kids including the  teacher and is very very aggressive.   Now like I said the depiction of a character like  this in vacuum wouldn’t ring any alarm bells in   my head. And I doubt that the casting directors  were actively seeking out a black actress to play   this role. But when it’s compounded with all of  the other examples of depictions of black women,   being overly aggressive does start to feel  like a pattern of behaviour. I also think   it’s interesting to note that this character is  a lighter skin black woman exhibiting stereotypes   mostly associated with darker skinned black women  and I really think the only reason this character   fell into that was because of how they looked,  because she’s super tall and muscular.   Andre’s Grandmother Now Andre’s grandmother has   always been a very confusing character. She’s  always been depicted as being mentally unwell,   but I think the most interesting thing  is that its seems like Andre is solely   responsible for her well-being. He’s completely  out of his depth and his grandmother is clearly   struggling with something but it’s always played  for laughs. Within the depictions of insanity and   spontaneity of the character, she’s also very  aggressive, very loud and always confused.   I never really found Andre’s grandmother to be  funny, honestly sometimes I was annoyed when   they had her in episodes because she didn’t really  add much, and the joke was just always to laugh at   the fact that she’s mentally unwell. Andre’s  grandmother made very sparse appearances in   the show and her only role functionally in  the sitcom was to be laughed at. She would   pop in very confused and disoriented and that  was the joke, we were to laugh that this woman   didn’t know who or where she was. Andre’s Girlfriend (Dark Skin)   Now let’s talk about Andre’s very brief  girlfriend. So Andre started dating a new   girl in the episode aptly titled Andre’s horrible  girlfriend. In this episode Andre starts dating a   new girl called Hope. He kept this a secret from  his friends, that is until she visited him one   day at school and met his friends. Immediately we  noticed that Hope was very controlling of Andre   even dressing him and very rude and mean to his  friends. The group are very confused about why   Andre would even date someone so horrible,  until he reveals that Hope is the daughter   of a famous music producer and that Andre is  just using her so that he can meet her father   and hopefully get signed to make music. So in  the episode pretty much everyone hates Hope,   even her own father. She’s controlling,  short tempered and at the end of the   episode there’s an earthquake, Hope gets hit  in the head and everyone’s happy about it.   Now the interesting thing about this is that  Andre is very rarely given love interests in fact   I think he only ever dates two girls in the show.  And the other girl he dated was characterized very   differently. She was obsessed with kissing him,  which like kind of reminded me of the jezebel   stereotype. Where black women are depicted as  hypersexual, she never had any characterization   at all pretty much her whole characterization was  that she was super horned up and couldn’t control   herself and all she wanted to do was makeout with  Andre. Interestingly enough her depiction is a   deviation from the angry black woman stereotype,  you know they took a break to adapt a different   stereotype. But the angry black woman stereotype  is normally associated with dark skinned black   woman so I really do think the only reason she  didn’t play into that stereotype was because she   was light skinned. And the exception was made  with Jocelyn because while she is lightskinned   she is also really tall and athletic so that  kind of cancelled out the skin color.   Andre’s Cousin So now we have Andre’s   cousin. You know I just realized that a lot of  these characters have some ties to the only black   main character in the cast. So in this episode the  gang are tasked with directing a short film with   famed director Dale Squires. However it becomes  abundantly clear that Dale has no interest in   working on the project. So the gang had to finish  the short film themselves, however despite not   having contributed anything to the project  Dale took complete credit over the success   of the film. The gang decides that they need to  take revenge, so they contact Andre’s cousin and   pay her to disrupt an interview Dale has on a  talk show. During the interview Dale, overcome   with guilt gives credit to the cast but it was too  late to stop Andre’s cousin and this happens.   Now the interesting thing to me about really all  of these depictions but especially this one is   that this character didn’t need to be a black  woman. It would functionally work the same way   if this character wasn’t related to Andre, they  just found some random person to do this and the   events unfolded the same. That is unless the joke  is seeing a black woman behave this way. Cause   when you think about it, they could’ve gotten  Sikowitz to disrupt this or literally anyone,   why specifically Andre’s cousin, right?  And it’s because the joke is Andre’s   cousin is perfect for this, because she would  be loud and aggressive and angry.   Andre Okay so I want to talk   about Andre for a little bit, because while this  video isn’t just about the explicit racism in the   schneider verse that would be a longer video. I do  think it’s interesting that so many of the black   women we talk about are connected to Andre in one  way or another. And when it comes to Andre he had   very little to do in Victorious as the seasons  went on I actually felt that way about a lot   of the very sparse black characters in the schneid  verse. I also felt like Michael from Zoey 101 at a   point didn’t really have much to do either and  that also happened with Andre. The thing about   Andre is that throughout the show he gets very  few love interests, the show really plays into   shipping culture at some point the cast members  are all shipped with each other, but not really   Andre. The few times he does get a love interest  it’s with a character that we only see for one   episode very briefly and they never show up  again. The show never really commits to the idea   of putting Andre with another girl in the main  cast which is crazy. There was one episode where   Andre had a crush on Jade, but it was one-sided  and as quickly as they introduced that idea they   dropped it, so Andre is never paired with another  girl from the cast. Especially when the obvious   answer would be to have him date Tori. Now I’m not saying I’m eager to see interracial   relationships or that I prefer that idea over  Andre being with a black girl. But there is   this trend I’ve noticed in shows at the time  where in cases where they do not have a black   woman character on the main cast, they will just  introduce a guest appearing one, even though the   entire cast at one point was dating each other.  It’s like it never at all crossed their minds,   that Andre could be with Tori or actually date  Jade or even Cat. If Andre is to have any love   interest they only feel comfortable pairing  him with another black character and that   character only ever appears once. So I don’t  know I just thought that was interesting.   Analysis Okay so I have pretty complicated   feelings when it comes to this topic and it’s  why I waited so long until I could really work   through them to make this video. Because I want  to make it very clear that in a vacuum I don’t   necessarily find characters like Helen, Jocelyn or  even Andre’s mean girlfriend problematic. I don’t   think it’s inherently racist that black women may  be depicted as being flawed or loud, angry and   aggressive. Black female characters should have  a variety of depictions throughout the media,   because people are diverse. But oftentimes shows  fall back into only one type of depictions and   those depictions often lack nuance. These  characters are funny, because they’re loud   and scary. But why does that matter? This is all  fiction, no one’s really getting hurt here. But   we know that depictions of groups of people in  the media often inform how people engage with   them in real life. Peter Lorraine only had a very  brief encounter with the spice girls when he gave   each of them a nickname. He didn’t really know  them, or who they were, or what they were like,   he made a lot of assumptions about their character  in their very brief introduction. And the nickname   that jumped out at him, that he thought was  really funny, to describe the only black girl in   the group was scary, because she was loud. I have no issues with black female characters   being and being the bad guy. Nor do I believe  that black female characters cannot be flawed. But   especially when we talk about the Dan Schneider  universe, if that’s the most popular depiction of   black women across multiple shows, well then that  says a lot about what you think of that demography   on a whole. And I do want to point out that there  are black female characters in the universe that   deviate from this trend, particularly Charlotte  from Henry Danger. Charlotte is depicted as being   very intuitive and intelligent, being one  of the few characters in the show to figure   out that Henry was actually a superhero. But  Charlotte is an anomaly, she’s the exception   to the rule. When overwhelming most of your  black female characters are depicted in one way,   well that says a lot. I’ll also say that I reject  the idea that non-white writers and producers   should not create non-white characters. I think  it’s fine for Dan to create black characters,   but when you are creating characters about a  demographic you don’t belong to, there is a   certain amount of care and responsibility that has  to go into it. And more often than not it seems   like the easiest thing to do is just fall back on  established stereotypes. Now one interesting thing   that I have been wanting to talk about forever, is  those situations where the black stereotypes are   applied to non-black characters. Sam and Rex are Black   Sam from iCarly and Rex from Victorious are  black. Now I know that sounds like a really   insane thing to say, but just stay with me  you’ll see where I’m coming from eventually.   Now it’s no new revelation that Nickelodeon shows,  especially the Dan Schneider shows, have a lot of   problematic content in them in retrospect.  From the oversexualization of teenagers,   to the weird feet fetishes, something that really  stood out to me in particular, was the treatment   of black and brown people. They are oftentimes  the butt of the joke and play into very harmful   stereotypes about their respective communities.  But what’s even more interesting to me is the way   that the show kind of circumvents that by playing  into these stereotypes with non-black characters.   So what do I mean by that? Sam is a white person,  she’s played by a white actress and the character   has always been considered white in the show, well  Jewish. Sam is known for being very aggressive,   loud and violent. A lot of Sam’s characterization  seems to stem from her troubled background,   being raised by an abusive single mother, she  was abandoned by her father when she was younger,   she loves hip-hop music and fried chicken and  she’s been having behavioural issues since   she was a kid. Sam is known for having had  very frequent run-ins with law enforcement,   she has a parole officer and throughout the show  we learn that pretty much her entire family is   troubled and a lot of them are incarcerated.  Now look I’m not saying that black people have   a monopoly on struggle and that any character that  is depicted as being from a broken family or loves   rap music is trying to be a black. Nor am I saying  that those are the only ways to depict blackness.   However, when you look into it our first ever  introduction to Sam was her beating up another   kid. And I don’t think this was intentional on  the writers by any means, but my speculation as   to what happened with Sam’s characters is that  because they wanted Sam to be an edgier kid than   Carly and Freddie they gave her characteristics  that they believed were edgy. And to do that it   was kind of just easier to fall back on the angry  black woman stereotype. And those gradually get   introduced as the show goes on. In fact we only  ever find out about Sam’s absent father in season   4 of iCarly and it was just as a throw away joke.  No I don’t think these writers were trying to   make Sam black, but I do think in their minds  what an edgy character looks like is black and   so they kind of just piled on every single black  stereotype they could think of to make Sam, this   super dangerous, violent aggressive character. I  really don’t think it’s just a coincidence that   Sam loves fried chicken and rapping. And like I  said this was all very gradual, Sam’s character   changes so much from that first episode. We find  out episodes and seasons later just how troubled   she is, how often she gets involved with law  enforcement and the fact that there are states   where Sam is legally not allowed to be in. So  I really do believe these were passive attempts   to make Sam seem more dangerous, by closely  associating her with black stereotypes. Now   you might think I’m reaching with this one but for  this next one it is very explicitly the case.   Rex’s introduction in the pilot episode  of Victorious was explicitly as a black   character. The Rex we get in the series pilot  is very different in terms of appearance from   the Rex we see in the rest of the show. Rex only  looks like this in the first episode and here,   he has a much deeper skin tone, larger more  exaggerated features and his hair is textured.   So whereas I felt that Sam was subtextually black,  Rex being black is not subtext. Even if we look   past his appearance in the pilot where they did  make him black and even look past the fact that he   speaks in AAVE, even in the show itself they said  that they wanted Rex to be an urban character.   Now I’m sure I don’t have to explain this, but  whenever anyone in this universe says urban, they   mean black. I am a bit confused why they changed  Rex’s appearance. I tried looking into the exact   reasoning why they made this change but I couldn’t  find anything, my speculation is that they just   thought that it would be funnier if Rex talked  and acted like this, but looked like this. That’s   it. I think they just thought it would be funnier  if Rex acted black but did not look black. And I   think that same reasoning applied to Sam. So Sam and Rex play into black stereotypes,   but what does that mean largely for us. Now  stereotypes are a neutral term, it essentially   means flattening down abstract ideas into easier  concepts normally through overgeneralization. Now   sometimes that can be beneficial when we’re  talking about larger harder to grasp concepts   but it can also be extremely harmful if that  overgeneralization is being applied to an entire   group of people. Because people are complex and  yeah stereotypes might tap into some larger truths   but no two people are the same and we don’t all  go through the same things, so a generalisation   that all black people love fried chicken not  only obscures the reality which is that’s not   necessarily true, but also that those assumptions  cause real harm in the real world.   Sam and Rex’s characters both play into black  stereotypes whether that was intended by the   writers or not. They are essentially allegories  for black people or at least the way the writers   and creators think black people are supposed to  behave based on these stereotypes. So for the   uninformed an allegory often uses stereotypes  and symbols to make references to a certain   group of people. So for example in Avatar the  big blue aliens are aliens they’re not humans   they don’t come from our planet but based on  how they look, how their culture is depicted   to us and the different circumstances in the  film we are already making the connection in   our mind that these 10 ft tall aliens are similar  to indigenous people. Now is that necessarily a   good thing, are the depictions accurate, is there  a lot of care involved when making the connection   to ensure audiences walk away with the right  idea about indigenous people? Not necessarily.   But James Cameron didn’t have to have them looking  exactly like indigenous people for us to already   make that connection in our minds, through the way  they speak, interact with each other and navigate   situations we know who these people represent and  probably are making assumptions about how they can   and will navigate situations based on stereotypes  of indigenous people. And that’s essentially what   happened with Sam and Rex. Yes Sam is not actually  a black person, but the subtext is telling us   something different and yeah Rex is just a puppet,  do puppets even have race? Doesn’t matter because   based on how Rex looks and acts we can racialize  him meaning assign a race to him based on the   stereotypes that he plays into. So that’s another  avenue of how black stereotypes manifest in the   Dan Schneider Universe. Conclusion   So that was a lot. And listen if you reject any  of what I said in this video I completely get it,   these were just thoughts that I specifically  had after watching the show. I have to say that   a large part of my conflict with this topic was  because I often find a lot of the conversations   around the harmful material in the Dan Schneider  shows to be reductive. I feel like sometimes it   boils down to people reactively going out  of their way to find things to have a kind   of gotcha moment, and I felt like making a video  would kind of be playing it to that. But recently   the quiet on set documentary was released and  we saw way more information come to light about   the horrors a lot of these child actors dealt  with working on this show and this only further   compounded my mixed feelings about this video  and topic because now it felt almost needlessly   distractful to the conversation around the real  people who experienced harm. And then I started   grappling with the idea of how problematic is it  to even keep engaging with these works and making   videos about them when the people who worked on  them experienced so much harm. Is it wrong for   us to continue watching shows like Victorious  and iCarly. I don’t know the answer to that,   but I do think that if we do choose to still  engage with it we should be mindful of the   sacrifices of the kids that went into making these  shows. And maybe videos like these offer a more   comprehensive perspective of what we’re consuming.  So that’s it the last round of schneider verse I   did not touch on in my last schneider verse video.  Thanks so much for watching this video, let me   know your thoughts below, be sure to like comment  and subscribe, I’ll see you guys next time!
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