Spiritual Dentistry

this conference will now be recorded the song good name good afternoon or good evening everybody I'm going to disallow it so we're come if you have a question please unmute you make your microphone and ask your question yes I have a question about I guess the sense of do ership of being a personal doer when I when I look at my thoughts for instance if I stop and and and look at them it it seems that they come to me I guess that's the experience that that there's not a separate entity choosing them but for instance if I when I'm going about my daily business like washing the dishes or going to the grocery store there's a kind of instinctive feeling I guess that that this body mind has some sense of autonomy or something that it it has some kind of yeah sense of being a personal doer so I was wondering how to investigate that belief at the level of thinking but also the kind of feeling of it that's an aspect so what the first thing to clarify is that at least regarding our if any minute our instinctive actions if we only consider the deliberate actions in our deliberate action don't originate from the body but rather from decisions we make right yeah right if I decide to buy up to sell stock in the stock market and I click on my computer the return button to to buy up to sell obviously it's not my finger who is making the decision yes right so all of our deliberate actions are of the same car meaning they come from a thought and the thought itself is a decision now as you as you said it is at some point obvious when we investigate our thoughts that all of them all of them come to us we don't choose them all of our our cosmic events and then as a result all of our decisions our cosmic so I am NOT denying that we have the sense that the details the flows are our thoughts and each sense is perfectly alright provided the owner and the creator of Jesus thoughts is not construed as being a separate body mind but rather as being this cosmic creator of the thoughts now this explanation according to which our every thought that we have is a cosmic advantage I can point at it from two sides the first side is the one I have already used which is that if you if we look our thought processes we see clearly that they come to us like the weather now that's the the experiential way to understand that our thoughts are that our thoughts are not personal meaning they don't originate from a separate entity there who would go shopping for thoughts to the thought market right and at the thought market which okay I'd pick this one and that one in that one and then I go to the Carson now so that's not the way it works they just come to us like the weather not affairs aspect now there is a conceptual aspect which which can help to convince you that all thoughts are cosmic events and this is based on the materialist assumption which I don't necessarily share I'm agnostic about it but let's assume from the current academic am academic view according to which the thoughts are created by brain processes now the brain if you look at the brain as a computer as the bio-computer the brain is not isolated from the universe it corresponds with the universe through the sense organs it chains and also with all the centres of the bodies affected by the weather by the pandemics by whatever happens for and in addition to that the body has access the brain has access to the personal histories a personal memory past event past experiences knowledge acquired skills acquired right and all of that came from the universe the body don't didn't program itself program itself is a kind of an adapter TiVo programming process in the computer some kind of artificial intelligence if you will switch the so education surpassed experience the decision-making process by this machine has been made whatever it is right now and these decisions are made upon the input from the universe all of that is kind of runs on automatic so that if I make a decision right now that seems to be let's say I choose to sell stock in the stock market right it seems to be a decision that originates from this little box here but now this little box abyss has been programmed by the universe has read the New York Times this morning knows or has access to the internet etc and the decision that comes is not local really is a universal convergence because this is not a separate system therefore whatever happens in this little box whatever thought and decision gets created even from this vantage point is the cosmic event let's even look at it from a different from a purely physical vantage point so that it's as materialist as you go this brain here that upon Tikrit the decision to thoughts is made of cells made of molecules made of elementary particles and these elementary particles are part of the quantum fields of the standard model and these quantum fields the equations are global so whatever neurons are firing here and in the decision-making process are in fact two more at the final level of the less coarse level you know off-mike two more microscopic levels they are part of the fluctuation of the quantum field and therefore it's a universal process it's a cost very of cosmic process so even from the vantage point of science if we believe that science applies to everything even then from that vantage point the result processes are going to be cosmic event therefore there is no local result there is the appearance of a local decent but series only the local instrument in fact which has been programmed and which is deriving its input from the entire universe so I give you arguments you know just to to to enable you to revisit the caveman versions of very very unsophisticated and simplistic argument according to which there is a local decider and there is a local creator of the souls so both from the vantage point of our inner experience if we look more closely at it from the vantage point of rationals if you will scientific view if we look more closely at it in both cases from both vantage points all thoughts of cosmic events yeah thanks Francis that's very clear you know that we're not as body minds were not a closed system you know where there's exaction always always that goes on you know so is there is there also an implication on that the feeling level would you say like of the worship in the body is that kind of registered and almost in the biology of it I I wonder if that kind of hallucination needs to be there almost it that that there's a there's a gut feeling that I can do things but I don't know if that's just part of having a body mind mechanism here it's it's it's taking the instrument for for the musicians instrument is not the musician right so maybe more clarity at the conceptual level might might help to to kind of see through that yes and because then you tease because the feeling of being stood on the level of feeling the feeling of being the door is a feeling too of identifying with you see we said on one hand it is true that I own my thoughts that I am the think of my thoughts but I who is the thinker of the thought and who has legitimate and who makes the legitimate claim that he creates a thought is consciousness so of course I am consciousness as such I am the right to claim authorship of my thoughts of course as consciousness right yeah but so the only problem is our eye consciousness identify with the body being believed to be the body and so intellectually believed to be the body and feel to be the body this feeling to be the body is irrational the the believed to be the body is pseudo rational in other words it is based on a false premise that it claims that it is an experiential evidence that we have that consciousness is created by the body whereas in fact the body to us consciousness appears in us consciousness is primeval the body is kind of as an experience the reality so based on then once we have made this false claim if you will that consciousness is created by the body and I am NOT denying the possibility that the body creates the thoughts you see apparently that the brain is a thought factories that's not what I am denying but what I am denying is that consciousness is created by the body consciousness as the reality that creates the thoughts at the reality who perceives the soul that's what I call consciousness and reality so that that what I am denying that this reality that perceives a thought that that is hearing my words right now that this reality is created by the body my claim is at this reality it's in fact the reality that creates don't recognize ok as long as I know I just give me as a concerns that I can I too you okay yes yeah yeah it's just um that's really it's really interesting what you're saying and I feel like if that really kind of drops in that that that there is no closed system but part of the the feeling is actually the feeling that I'm a closed system in a certain way so it's kind of just that it's just a like oh yeah yes but I identify when I do that this irrational part of ignorance if you will is that I identified consciousness with bodily sensations I believe to be the content of conscience and not all objects all of the content of consciousness which which will be fine but some of the content of consciousness as well this apparent duality comes in because I identify with some perceptions and not with all perceptions Pence's record plays a question but let me try first to answer a question that is visible for everybody by my mood but I'm going to read it for the sake of the recording so Mahmud says my question is how to deal with feelings of pride after doing some work especially when people start complimenting you for doing a good job which gives an illusion of a personal doer which is both annoying and somehow pleasurable so understand that all all praise goes to God always so as a person you would be like a clown the Kings he applause after the performance of the ballerina that would be stupid move to feel happy and if you are congratulated or complimented for the job that you have done now understand that really the one who need to requires who who deserves the the applause is really the universe the universal consciousness so that's bad news you don't as a separate person deserves the applause the good news is that you're not a separate person and that what you Toria truly deserves he applause so again takes a compliment but don't take it as a person understand that your body mind is simply the instrument switch beautiful consciousness has achieved this yes just just a second we have some disturbing noises here go ahead ask your question this is Richard how can I can I speak richer yes are you are you on the phone no I'm on Twitter you don't hear me well no no because there's someone called caller one let me mute Ricola one then okay go ahead okay along with the first question which also sort of bled into the second question I thought the the alternative of having the awareness of not being the separate body mind which therefore relinquishes the sense of ego which is capable of intentions which is capable of will etc then the other alternative this is the question is living from the nominal or and is is that the same that idea has been able to make a personal decisions yes am i understanding this yes in other words what it means to live from the nominal is very simple its mean it means not to live from the phenomenon because not as an act of will live from the nominal we cannot do that as an act of will that's a bad news the good news is that we don't have to because we are the nominal so we don't have we don't have to take our position as then our stand as a luminal we don't have to all it all we have to do is to stop taking our stand as anything else than the nominal meaning as anything as anything phenomenal so the moment we don't we are not taking our stand as anything phenomenal meaning us anything that appears we are by the same token effortlessly taking our stand as a nominal that's why meditation taking our stand as a nominal abiding as presence abiding in our true self whatever we call it abiding as awareness in awareness all these are synonyms is absolute effortlessness what requires an effort is to take our stand as something separate something limited uh-huh okay so the decision-making process that it is that is non lowest at all because there is no independent temporalities phenomenon who has the capacity to make decisions to begin with it that that was there an illusion or certainly a misunderstanding of what's actually the process that's taking place I guess where I get lost is that there's no who okay there's there's no existent entity of a who there's only the one reality the cosmic which obviously nothing can be outside of that is non temporal non-spatial and is unfolding or whatever the word would be I don't know because it that wouldn't even imply a linearity which then again is not really applicable to whatever it is it is actually happening if anything is happening so the decision to to buy stocks as your example was was it sort of like a non-event in a sense I mean it was a cosmic event but it was also like a non-event because because the participant don't aren't really existent in in any in the phenomenon it is no loot anyway I get tied up here as maybe you're perceiving already well if I try to I'm not sure I I'm getting your question right that my what I would say is this even an ignorant decision is made by consciousness right okay because the consciousness is the only decide there is no other doer in the universe than the universe duel is not a business yes this nest consciousness awareness reality god Brahman Sayaka also there is only one decider in the universe now the distinction between an an ignorant decision and if you will an impersonal decision is that a decision is made through the contemplation of a given context of a situation right in the case in the case so the contemplation of facts facts are taken into account by universal intelligence and as a result a decision is made in the case of Nick nuran decision the set of facts which is taken into consideration in the decision-making process includes a pseudo fact and the pseudo fact is that I consciousness I am an object a human being a human body that I am subjected to the human predicament issue I consciousness and this element is entered into the mix of fat that's what I call a pseudo fur and then the decision-making process uses the logical ability of the man uses past experiences uses everything as an instrument to reach the conclusion and to and and to to determine a decision whereas in the case of an impersonal decision this pseudo part is not part of the picture so the set the set of fact which is present is different the abilities of the mind are used in the same apparently in the same way and apparent mistakes can be made also in an improper decision-making but they are apparent mistakes only reflect on on the relative level but in fact because everything it's just an expression of the absolute unfolding as issued the facts as this decision process was impersonal will have only ammonia's consequences okay so sorry not in other words it's up to us as consciousness because that's what we are we have the choice to make personal ignorant of an impersonal decision with all at every moment when we make a decision and the only condition is to to see from me in which context I am am I making this decision I am making the this decision taking into account of fact that I am the separate human body more of not to default and that's the only thing I have to really that one thing I have to eliminate on my decision-making process because if I don't include this assumption in my set of facts then the decision I'm going to make is going to be impersonal and therefore pure and therefore have only been about only harmonious consequences okay yes all right okay just went to second yes just wait I have one more question here that I was asked on Susie chat but it's better if you ask you for those who are asking questions through the chat it's much easier if you ask your question using your microphone so my question is if essence the same awareness and consciousness what is what is it that makes us different taking away the ego is there difference between everyone in essence well this question is tricky it's a kind of question like when did you stop beating your wife because you say if in essence we are the same awareness what is it that makes us different when the answer is nothing can make us different in essence we have the same awareness you hi Francis hi this is my question so I want to understand if we are all the same or there is something that is made making us different from the rest of the people our our our essence our consciousness is all the same yes our reality our consciousness whatever it is which is hearing these words right now we all share it that's a great mystery that's a great revelation that's great news that this reality whatever it is which is hearing these words we never die was never born we all share it whatever we perceive that begins that ends whatever we experience that begins that Thanks but this reality was never wrong will never die that that that the seemingly incredible thing I understand but how come there is we found that we get along with different people because there is a difference between people or just the ego liking or disliking another egos distinctions of course in whatever it is that we perceive but it is same reality that perceives there are no distinctions in the reality that perceives it is the same reality that perceives but what we perceive changes all the time when you said changes all the time what I mean by change us what is changing that which we perceive changes all the time for the where consciousness and awareness and that doesn't change how come it changes all the time or maybe I didn't understand doesn't change changes appear in changing things changing events appear in awareness awareness doesn't change okay thank you okay I'm going to take more questions through your microphones it's easier for me if you have asked a question in the chat try to ask them on the microphone and just keep your mic unmuted while we are having a dialogue thank you okay no go ahead right no I know you came in first so you need to go ahead I'll go next okay okay thank you hi Francis my question is about mistake it comes from the first question from Hume and then it would be the contrary is the question of my moods and I will give an example that happens very often to me is I am at home and I can't find my cell phone I suppose this is a common experience and the the thought comes to me that the cell phone is in the kitchen I go to the kitchen and the cell phone is not there and it was unlike that but anyway the mistake now if if that thought was a cosmic event why is it wrong is consciousness playing with with me a separate person I always thought mistake could be a proof because one time I thought that the only thing I knew was that there is an AI and there is a non not AI and the proof that there is a not I would be exactly mistakes how how can I understand missed if my I don't know if I'm clear as a cosmic event what is the meaning of this thought that comes and tells me to look in the kitchen and the cell phone is not there okay what you call mistake the fact that your mind doesn't know everything mm-hmm right right because if your mind knew everything you would instantaneously know where your cell phone is yes and you never make a mistake yes no it wouldn't be great at support it would be boring because imagine that you know everything which is going to happen to everybody and that everybody knows that research is going to help and by in addition that everybody can do everything perfectly so everybody you live in a world which is everybody is mr. perfect everybody is compassionate elegant beautiful smiling immortal impervious to pain it's everything is pink are you following me I am following you but this kind of in this kind of world there is no home for adventure there is no home from being surprised there is no room for anything it's it's like death it's boring because everything is like poison because you cannot be surprised but it's hard for for me to swallow that creation was done only for fun is that correct I'm here yes it's not fun it's it's a it's it's a game in which you have it's like a treasure how can you concept it yes looking for the treasure hunt you know the Boy Scouts treasure hunt so you yes it may be tough to look for the treasure you know you may you may have to to cause who some bushes with with thorny bushes you know you may have to get exhausted and thirsty etc went any but it's fun to be a boy scout and to do treasure hunt at least four boys I don't know about girls well yes I had great ideas that the universe was created for learning or for expression that love love could express itself or for beauty no God or consciousness as a great artist and we separate humans also creating heart pieces no it's somehow I it's hard for me to accept that this just for adventure anyway going back to the first question that you would say that the thought that the cell phone was in the kitchen is not a cosmic event it comes from the mind no no cosmic event how do I know how can I differentiate between cosmic events and not cosmic events oh that's very simple there are no cosmic events okay so that the the false information that I should go to the kitchen is also it cost me given absolutely well okay thank you hi Francis so a couple things you know following questions on some of your answers today one is God you know where you say you know attribute your success to God are the fruit of your actions to God or the doership etc now you know I actually have this again there seems to be a disc ordinance where you know right now I am mostly in the place of not knowing so I am i it's not clear to me what I am like you know the of course lack of boundaries etc but I don't know where God comes into the picture when they may not impose any attribute your decision to yourself provided you don't know who you are okay because I've added you don't know that you're human then attribute the decision to whatever it is that makes them or is it that it just happened attribute your busy to this unknown okay since you claim I don't know what a young right yeah it's a mistake in me to say I am the maker of the decision however I don't know what that make of it yeah you know the the don't know Ness comes mainly when it's almost like when you're abiding in the ie because the mind always comes in and creates all these other images and you know of course you know like the superimposition of the roles including human female etc because otherwise if you're not if I'm not abiding in the Ines then then of course this idea of doer ship and all that just automatically comes in yeah I'm here yeah did you not yeah basically I was saying you know when I am when I'm abiding in the eye is when there is don't notice otherwise the mind comes in and then creates all these other you know the roles if you will and the sense of doership comes in so it's so the don't notice happens only when the mind is in there well the sense of doer ship is okay because you don't provide that you don't know who the doings the sense of decision-making is okay provide that you don't know who the decision-maker is another one yeah right that you don't read you so this is your makeup to a body mind who was born and will die yeah yeah yeah yeah I get that yeah so that was the the follow-on question I had is this you know you also mentioned today that you know you always existed that doesn't seem to be clear for me it just seems like I am are you guys okay but then so anyway what I wanted to say was I it seems like the only thing experientially I know is that I am right now because as soon as I start if if you go into the past then goes mine comes in but although I didn't say today you know that you always existed but I could have said which I didn't buy a quitter said you know that dancing has always be when I go there it seems like it's memory the memory kicks in and then a thought comes saying I was talking about you even even the assumption that you as a person didn't always exist you have this intuition that nothing comes out of nothing in other words at the moment there is something rather than nothing so as never absolute nothingness yes right yes yes yes but that is you know so then I'm using my intellect to actually rationalize that but this this intuition is not rational because rational would mean that you derive this from a different set of facts inside of that that it is something that comes to you that jumps at you that something that doesn't need a set of facts to rationalize it oh yeah yeah yeah understood yeah yeah it's it's it's very what Kant called a priori okay Kant was wrong when he was he had here too many a priori it's nothing right so it doesn't put an s again so it it had didn't have too many a priori nice if he didn't have too many up hilary's but this one that there is something rather than nothing is that their father has always been something whatever that is is a priori we know that so that something has always existed and that which has always existed is what I call reality now everything else originates from this reality which has always existed everything else takes its existence from this reality so in particular this world this body and this mind take there observe reality in this reality which always existed and that is Brahman and that is also the reality of your human experience which is Armin so Atman is equals Brahman so that's that the important aspects so that requires two two a priori intuition one is that consciousness is my reality in other words is what I call I Atman is my reality and to that there is only one reality Brahman fue so this - deep intuition are the only two are a priori that are required one my reality is consciousness - there is only one reality therefore consciousness is yes yeah yeah I think I am at the number one where I am consciousness and consciousness is the reality of the human experience but doing the second one is more of you know you you go there through reasoning but no experience that there is reality in other words that nothing can come out of nothing that's a very deep intuition yeah so for me when I when I think about us consider the reality of the universe that's what I attribute to God or God is that reality get the universal reality I know because don't bring in a use god but in a different meaning because if we bring religious we we kind of muddy our experience with belief systems so the philosophy called intuition it's much more powerful if you will that any belief system because it it rests on some fundamental direct experience a priori knowledge this fundamental intuition that there is something that always is yeah so I didn't mean God as in the traditional sense of God but this this universality that that the aspect the universality aspect is what seems to be different from I consciousness back yeah but once you have agreed that there is reality yes right 100% you can from this infer that there is only one reality yes from the same experience by going to the same experience the same experience that tells you that there is something that always ease that's true this the same experience thank you that there is only one thing that always yes and that is I yes the time being no yes one thing whatever that is that always is yeah but the point is from exponentially only I exist you experience there's only me existence you don't allow me to see me okay sorry so it because we have to go very slowly there because it's hard to digest so if you chew too fast you are going to choke you have to convince yourself first then there is because there is something rather than nothing there is something that always is then because it's something that always is anything else is dependent upon the thing that always is because when it appears anything else anything else is not the thing that always is then when it appears it is simply a transformation or a manifestation of the thing that always is and in the question there is this question in it in things that always is we we move and have our being you know in it we move we have our being so there is something else in anyway just not but but this deep intuition of this eternal reality and that there is only one reality so then you jump for that from what you are establish is only one reality which is tell then you go back to your human experience and you ask yourself what is the reality of my human experience okay what is the reality of my human expense the reality of my human experience must always be present when my human experience is present right yes in as always it must be present no matter what whether I am the week whether I am whether I am insane where I am diluted whether I am dreaming yet yes so what is it that is always present there is only one candidate its Congress okay consciousness is experiencing experientially by reality yes right yeah if you connect that together with the fans there is only one reality yes if I define consciousness as being my reality my reality ultimately must be that reality because I am NOT separate from the whole yes my body is very part of this universe the reality of this body and the reality of the universe is the same yeah yeah but you are so attached to the belief to be separate that to pull this belief is more painful than putting teeth so I am some kind of spiritual dentist here try to do it with anesthesia that yeah yeah agreed so it's very clear to me that I consciousness and the reality of the human experience because I exist at all times and it's very clear that I need to be present for at all times for any human experience and intellectually I and then I understand the the the the need for universal reality to be to also to exist at all times so like you said it is that belief that makes me feel constrained in some way that doesn't make me open to saying that that Universal reality and I are the same yeah because your believes to be something which is ephemeral ephemeral or constrained that is the interesting thing is you don't feel the borderless I feel borderless nice but somehow it doesn't it's not expansive there's whatever whatever you feel limited is obviously good perception yes yes yes yes yes very good well okay thank you yeah I want to tell our audiences that in the suggestions for this type of events we I was recommending for to use the chat only if you are a question or you have something to tell me not for the audience to talk among yourselves because it's very distracting if I if I we have to make a decision either we use a chat for people possibly to ask questions or we used the chat for because I I look at the chart and I see people talking about among themselves so if you want to talk among yourselves that's fine or so obviously then why you talk we'll be like giving satsang and at the same time having people having conversation all over so it's not it's not I'd rather then cancer completely the chat window which I had done and you can always talk among each other after the meeting when I open those webcams and everything although other than that it's distracting to not only for me but for other people to have the whole gist interference so then we we are not going to use the chat window during this meeting soon so any other questions yes I have a question yes so my question okay so let's take a situation where a lock appears with a combination and this lock obviously appeared in consciousness and the revelation of what the combination is is something that also appears in consciousness so would it be so my question is if you kind of just like sit there and maybe access a deeper state of consciousness will the answer come to you now now I see how that question that's kind of a little flawed but but if it comes to if it comes in consciousness and if you just kind of like sit there and and I don't know axis like a deeper part of consciousness whatever that means what the solution come to you you I don't get the I'm not sure I understand the image of the lock and the combination that appear in consciousness but so let me try let's say you are the practical problem right and you're seeking the solution for it you look and [Music] context and the first thing to do is to try to find the solution on your own using intelligence and you look at all the facts and it may be that comes to you you see who in maybe that it doesn't so you remain it not knowing to solution we come to you later on or something in the universe changes and the problem disappears without you needing to find the solution or something else in the universe brings a solution the more general question is this you if I live in personally versus living from ignorance what difference does it make in terms of what I know what gets revealed to me phenomenally and the difference is us is this if I am in ignorance what happens to me what gets revealed to me it's only purpose is to take me to knowledge so I can get beaten up by if I I am the donkey traveling on that road if I start off-roading I get the stick whereas whenever I act in personally I am the donkey staying on that load and unlike all I get is always the car I get the cart to the extent that I am hungry and I get whatever type of carrot I meet at every moment so because after her one is boring as a donkey to always eat carrots sometimes you want apples sometimes you want old so the point of this metaphor is that when we are living in personally that's a choice we have at every moment you don't need to wait to be a sage for it to live in personally it's a decision we make so when we take when we live in personally meaning when we are on the tour on that road on that path whatever we need to know we'd be revealed to us on a need-to-know basis in other words we won't need everything in the universe to be too much knowledge for some and and it will destroy the fun we have but whatever we need to know to go to the next step and to stay on the road will be given to us will be revealed to us from moment to moment in sometimes and often the sword will come to you strange and you will say it or you will act on it later on you will discover oh it was so serendipitous oh it was a perfect thing to do you see how clever was it although it may have sound weird in the moment itself of 70 meters almost miraculous it was why because the human mind has a very low bandwidth he cannot take too much information but it can take whatever is needed to go to the next step you thank you thank you you you hello yes hey Francis you were talking a little bit earlier about abiding in awareness and I feel like I'm almost asking to start end gaining abiding an awareness but I mean are there they say cues to look out for like to know when one is abiding yeah it's very simple one you are not abiding as anything else and awareness meaning the moment you believe to be a human being you are going out of meditation like that the moment you really understand that you don't know that you are a human being then you go back into meditation and you remain in meditation up until you believe again to be a human beings and so it goes right like it seems like there's that that kind of ebb and flow even flow I made it personal but but when you think about it it's so easy so if of class not to know what you are you see you don't have to make an effort you don't even have to look for what you are because you have been looking enough to know that you don't know so to abide as awareness means that you don't know what you are you don't know because when you don't know what you are you are in fact perfectly what you if you bid it to be visualized the actor so is it because again like there is that like that back-and-forth that keeps going on is it and again I don't want to make self inquiry a kind of dull repetitive you know practice of course is it a result of something fundamentally missing in my my seeing am i knowing or is it just a matter of like how do you say consistently going back to that not knowing at some point you at some point it dawns on you well I truly don't know what I am it's like a guy running it towards the door what first thinking he can bank the door open and the door is made of very thick oak so every time it's a kind of hurt but at some point the guy stopped running from the door so at some point my head's just gonna start hurting enough to to where I what give up like it's a simple to reach its conclusion gee I really don't know what is it's so popular so the problem that we don't know what we are the problem is that we believe to know what we are we believe we know what we are that's a problem I see I think I don't know okay thank you hi Francis yes find something hi hi I'm we try to speak in English let's see if if it's possible thanks to what you just say because during these days I was thinking about the eye and I think the eye it's already you say enough you imagine an assumption this is that it's it's already a phenomenon I really don't know yes if I really don't know and I really don't know what I am if I say I awareness I have my experience it's when I say I awareness I already tried to it's like a contraction in me it's not it's it's like transforming this not knowing in something and if I are very honest I really don't know what I am and it's it's something like it I cannot grab at happy I cannot grab it but when I say I and I try to to see what is what this is i i i i feel i come back to the ignorance very something here but there is something what you said which caught my attention is that you say finals a time consciousness i cant of blow too much already so point where i am now i think in my understanding it's at its to recognize that I am NOT this human body mind but as you say I really don't know I I really don't I know that I am you know it's so complicated I know that I am but at the same time Nick because I cannot know that I am not because I have the experience so I make the experience of the reality but at the same time when I say I I feel in my experience I don't know that if it's the experience of everybody but in my each time I say I I feel like a contraction and this I I can see so it's already an object wait a minute I feel like a contraction it just me it just means that what you call I is different from consciousness right yes and it's not and I am more because you always you don't stay with me you know you have generate escape we have time so you have to understand first we have to make when I seek consciousness and when you think consciousness it means the same thing so in this moment you are here in my world right yes so it's you what you call I which is here in my words yes right and there is an element of reality in this hearing in other words you are not making that so that you are here in my world in this moment history you are not it's not I mean it's not it's not quick yes yes absolutely hearing perceiving is real so what I call consciousness is the reality which is hearing this world the reality I am NOT saying it's a woman I'm not saying it's taught me and I'm not saying it's a human body I'm not saying it's a human brain I'm saying it's just whatever it is which is real in this experience of hearing Fonzie's words whatever it is which is real his consciousness in other words it is reality which is hearing these words and since you say I am here these words it must be also that this consciousness is the real I the real you would you agree with that yes absolutely okay but now sorry she was jumping again no no yes yes yes you are right nice no because now we are we agree on what I call consciousness absolutely do you see any limits to it no I couldn't find any limit so is there any feeling of contraction as you were describing not as awareness not as consciousness exactly so and and you have agreed that I it consciousness house the same right was here there is a difficulty for me no no we have a gun point by point and then if you say no we have to go back to the moment when you agreed that I was consciousness ok so because I don't want you to go on tangents and to escape no no I know I know that I know but so let's go back because at some point you have agreed first that there is a reality which is here in this world an element of reality and that this element of reality we call it consciousness whatever is here in these words then you have a grid also I am hearing these words and therefore my reality is real I must be the consciousness which is here in these words that you are agreed so if now you change your mind please yes I think oh it's because it's so subtle at the same time because no no tell me if you disagree with with the ultimate ultimate point about the eye I think I have something that I just I have a difficulty but it's difficult for me to explain this difficulty wait I am trying to pull these teeth from you thank you I know it's painful so you understand that there is an element of reality as you are hearing my words right now reality is present right and I'm feel involved and I come for me this reality I call consciousness yeah I don't want you to speak too much I want you sorry what I want you to do is more mostly to say whether you agree to my questions or not okay okay so in this moment you are here in my world and you you understand that there is something real right yes you are not it's an appalling inventions and a possibility of the Texas career yes right so what I call what I call consciousness is this element of reality in this experience of hearing my brains you would agree also that it is you with hearing these words not somebody else yes so you disagree that it is you who is hearing these words okay I hope you accept what I will say I think why not you say yes or no I don't want I don't want yes okay yes but I already feel that when I say yes I make a jump with a contraction yes something I say no you don't say no now I I cannot say no because of course I I feel that I am hearing this word but I think that this affirmation or assumption not a set of Yama's you it's so ready when appropriate what do you have in what we are doing right now we are pulling the tooth I am just with this tool you know with his level and doing that and the tools doesn't want to come out I mean we don't have to the tools today hey I want just to to place you in this context where it becomes very uncomfortable to say no to me and what you are saying you don't want to say yes you don't want to say I am the one who is hearing these words but it seemed also so far-fetched to say I am not the one who is hearing these words it's me it seems if I come clean it seemed what so ugly touches its assembler extraordinaire I know remember inquire because that's what I'm working on tone signal it seemed far-fetched so some some samba push it to see the coach all day until one huh Keon Tassimo it seemed far-fetched if I'm not the one if I say that I'm not the one you but you have to make up your mom you have to decide okay so I I am listening your world absolutely so remember that we are said that consciousness reality is that which is here in this world - right yes yes therefore you are yes you so so it's sent so the human is of AI its consciousness no consciousness is whatever is here in this world right now consciousness is reality hearing these words why not and I am experiencing this reality as I see yes according to your own statement to your agreement when you say I am yes I am the one hearing these words that's my real eye so you are what you have admitted to is that you are consciousness so then you are saying that it is very uncomfortable for you to say that to agree I am consciousness I think I just have to do this if they don't they don't visit not you see this identify the sense of I in my body and this say TV dos vinhos yes because the sense of me appears in consciousness the sense of me is not consciousness yes it's an object already I I can write you are not an option absolutely no I'm femoral as as a space in which this needle here so you are not the sense of me the sense of me appears to you as a tree in the forest but it's not you yeah so it's this I have to clean this difference between the sense of me and the evidence of I know between the sense of me and me I asked to stop to to question me I just have to see the sense of me as an object inside of me and yes you have to see yourself as consciousness as a reality invisible unperceivable to reach a sense we appeals can you repeat this place Francis you have to see yourself as the invisible consciousness reality in which Oh to which the sense of me appears absolutely and yes yes and it's already happening so you know when in the light of what has been discussed when you think I do you still feel the contraction as this consciousness know the contraction is a sense of means of body right nothing else exactly exactly and I can feel this contraction in my body because I am just face exactly exactly Thank You Francie thank you so much my boy Francis can I ask a question yes manage girl okay I I know I'm consciousness and everything appears in me but my problem is when I say I'm not but my body but then the problem is that this question I came to me yesterday in meditation I was feeling that I am consciousness I'm everywhere but but my body is like a sticking to me I cannot get up and go somewhere without my body is my body is always just like sticking to me and that's that's when I feel like yeah that's my to take okay but one more question yes what about your body yes same as my mind it goes with me yeah goes with you what about the world whatever you go yes the world is still with you yes yes okay okay okay okay so you gave me as an argument for being your body the fact that your body is always with you wherever you go yes okay well I I showed to you that it is also true that the mind and the world are always with you wherever you go yes therefore you cannot from this argument the conclusions that you are your body but that you are not the word or that you are not your mind because the Snee of them are always with you wherever you go yes therefore you have two choices either I am not the body I'm not the world I'm not a knight oh the other choice is I am the body the world and the mind yes in other words either I am nothing I am everything but from the billions that your body is with you wherever you go you cannot conclude that you are your body and that you are not the world yes you see okay we are going to stop here thank you all I am going to liberate the charge the webcam everything so the dance floor is open [Music] thank you so much Francis thank you so much okay Thank You Francis thank you Thank You Francis say one collective thing

Channel: Francis Lucille

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Keywords: Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Tolle, Ramana Maharshi, Advaita, Yoga, Rupert Spira, Jean Klein, Francis Lucille, Jeff Foster, Adyashanti, Meditation, Nonduality, Non-duality, Zen, Mooji, Spiritual Teacher, Guru, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Self-enquiry, Satsang, Krishnamurti

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Length: 96min 23sec (5783 seconds)

Published: Wed Apr 08 2020