After five weeks of daily driving
with the Simagic P1000 pedals, I'm ready to dive deep and answer
all the questions you sent and will try to give you a full picture
so you can make informed decisions. It is important for me to be as objective
as possible to not mislead you with wrong expectations and will,
try to keep your eyes open through the entire process
with what is objective statement and what is subjective and apply to my own personal likes and feelings. For example,
those will become my daily drive and will replace my overall
favorite pedals I used for a year now But that will be for very specific reason,
which I will explain later and those reasons
may not apply at all for you. So, this will be in the subjective category
and I will do my best to explain myself
so, you can make your own decision. Let’s clean first the objective parts. Those are the inverted model
and from build quality for the price. I haven't found any weak spots for now
The ball bearing is very strong on all three pedals. No plastic washers whatsoever. Strong metal parts,
which must last for a very long time. Let's start with the clutch. It is position sensor based
with adjustable plate through two bolts. Adjustable throw
from the rubberized stopper and three different in tension springs,
which are very easy to replace. The piston moves on rollers
over that angular part, and once fold down, the pedal becomes
light and easier to keep down. Now, where we want to add the exact bite
point It's up to us. I personally set mine
just before the pedal I'll get light. it have that two stage feeling like
in real car clutch But once we start slamming gears and smashing the pedal quickly,
that dual stage will disappear. Subjectively speaking,
I like the feeling in use, which is very similar to the P 2000 model,
but some people don't Last year on the expo, one YouTube
reviewer argue with me for 20 minutes explaining how wrong am I
because he didn't like the feeling. The bastard I am I let him spend all the energy
in his 20 minutes monologue argument. And once he finished my response was,
(I totally understand) Honestly don't fall in this trap. Arguing subjective topics is absolute wasted energy
because we all may like different things. The pedal have dual stage feeling
and I personally like it but will you?? I have no idea. What is a fact here is
there is zero play very strong build made of aluminum with relatively easy adjustment and works exactly as intended Throttle the same
top quality built with pedal adjustment, the same rubberized bump stopper
which adjust the travel. And absorbe the metallic noise, positions
for the piston which changed the tension and simagic promised to give
more springs for further adjustment. I personally added some preload
on the spring and set the piston angle to the hardest,
which gives me exactly what I want. but I’m warning you I like soft throttle pedal. Those extra springs are needed
to cover a bigger range of stiffness level and I hope they will be added some. The entire pedal
adjustability is also on the easy side, and I believe that is clever design. The feeling in operation is like
every other spring throttle pedal, but because it is inverted,
it is incredibly conformable for me. But I will explain that later. Brake!
same quality build with the strong
ball bearing and zero play. Plate adjustment and travel bump stop, which absorb the metallic noise
in hard operation. Now, one of the most exciting parts
for me here is the load cell sensor and angle sensor. This choice makes a huge difference. And I will explain why in a minute. For some reason, Simagic decided
to go on this model with Elastomers. The box comes with different combinations
from soft to hard and anything in between and chart in the guide
for all the different combinations. The replacement is also on
the simple side. Here is where I have to stress out
one very important problem created
from all the elastomers I ever tested. And I have tested a lot. You can make the same observation if
you have elastomers on your own pedals. If you smash quickly the elastomer
to, let's say 90% in the next second or two, even keeping
the exact amount of pressure, the elastomer relax
and the percentage falls down. I have seen that in
every elastomer based pedals and that can vary from 4 to 5% or 12-16 between different hardness. In all those beautiful pedals out there, we have super precise
load cells but huge problem created from the rubber. The petals
using springs don't have this problem The metal structure
compresses differently. From other hand, the elastomer compression
feels more progressive and natural than the springs, and to take that same
feeling on the spring based pedal we need dumper kit like those
here in the Cube Controls. That is just universal problem for all
Pedals out there. I don't know how Simagic
come to the conclusion to use load cell and positional sensor,
but that choice saved them from that disaster.
Check this out! Check this out. When I use load cell, measurement,
I can’t keep my initial pressure and always falls down 6 to 8%. When I switch to angle sensor. I can hit specific number
and can keep it exactly there for as long as I want. You see? the pedal doesn't
trial break on its own. This is huge! Now I can have that sweet
progressive elastomer compression feeling and precise input.
They can solve this with springs, which will change the feeling,
but the load cell will be precise Or I strongly suggest to use
that pedal with positions sensor, which is super precise anyway
But remember, we will need at least two, three centimeters travel of the pedal
to have enough resolution available in the travel. This is a universal problem No one discuss for a years,
but at least here we have a solution. Not exactly. It's one of the few reasons I will use
those for my competitive driving. I hope you've got objective
idea of the pedals from quality operation and adjustments point of view. I think for the price,
those are quite an achievement. Next is the invert kit. We mostly
need to know if is sturdy to be enough. And I can see a very subtle lateral
movement if I force them to side to side. But where I apply straight forces and on back and forth movement,
there is zero flex. Have the brake and throttle
straight to my legs, which I suggest to everyone
as, that will save you from knee pain and avoid any effects
from lateral pressure. On the top. We have three adjustment points
which change the angle and lots of different slots for lateral
pedal adjustments. The cables are also very
long and enough for any position. Now most of you want to know what is the main difference
between standard and inverted petals. Well, operation is completely different. And subjectively speaking,
I don't want to go back on standard, pedals anymore and here is why! The movement of the inverted paddle
followed the movement of the feet almost without any friction. You can see the heal is firmly down
and the pedal plate and sock shoe moves together
super precise and super comfy. The same apply for the brake on standard
pedals. I used to take off my heel and press
with my big leg muscle without support. With the heal support is way more easy to control the
trail breaking process with less forces. And I haven't felt knee pain,
which is a problem I personally have. But again tried to make the difference
between objective and subjective statement. The objective part is inverted
to have less close to zero or friction between fit and better plate
and the heel is firmly down which gives precise control
with less effort. I personally don't feel knee pain
(and don't want to go back to standard pedals) is only my personal observation
and personal feelings All that may not apply for you,
but if some of you already have those write your opinion
and explain how you feel and why it will be interesting
for those who want to know more. I forgot to mention, the heal
support is important to my statement. It slave my heal to that fixed position
and is needed for me. So before
I move to the most exciting part, which for me is the haptic motor
many of you wanted to give my personal opinion and compare them to the P2000
and other pedals i have around. First
the P2000 have dumper on the throttle, which is adjustable to different scales
and is the smoothest throttle my foot have ever touched. Clean win for 2000. The brake dual
pump system and operate with springs instead of elastomers
and the compression filling feels very smooth and progressive because is with springs,
the load cell is also precise. The magic promised
to bring hydraulic kit for the P1000. But in original state,
the P2000 feels bit better to me,
which again is, bit subjective statement. The clutch basically have the same mechanism So no difference there. Now, even if the p2000 are a bit
better in feeling because of the bumper on the throttle
and the dual pump on the brake the p1000 have better ball bearings,
which makes them more reliable and the rubberized bolt
makes them way more silent. Objectively, there are pluses and minuses
between the two models, and another plus for
the P1000 is, they are open for upgrades with the hydraulic system
and bit more advanced design. Officially it's not confirmed. Haptic motors
compatibility for the p 2000, which may also play a big role
in your personal decision. My subjective opinion is,
I will personally go for p1000 for better design, position
and load cell sensor on the brake inversion kit
plus future upgrade kits I can definitely sacrifice,
bit from the ultimate feeling of the P2000, for the reasons I mentioned previously,
without even talking about the haptic motors which may come or not
for the P2000. So it is up to you. And I do personally want to sacrifice. Let's talk now for the most exciting part,
the haptic motors. First, the bad news
before you get overexcited. There is no feedback on Automobilista 2,
rFactor 2 and the original Assetto Corsa,
those are three big payers for the SIM
community and many will be disappointed. I asked the Simagic technical team,
but the answer was not very clear. They said they would work for improvements
and compatibility, but from my understanding
is not entirely up to them, but also to what each sim provides as a feedback remember, those motors are not bass shakers
and don't operate from sound, but from specific input
provided from the sim itself. The advantage is
they react instantly without any delay, but that limits them to only ABS
and traction input. I don't have any information
for the future and they don't want to share much,
which is totally understandable. On ACC
I'm getting ABS and traction kicks but haven’t found huge benefits from that as, We have to brake with ABS activated And it's only a bit immersive
without some real help. Of course,
if immersion is what you are looking for on ACC, you will have it. On iRacing,
however, is completely different story. And if you drive a car with ABS systems, that motor will become your best friend. The ultimate braking on
iRacing is just around the anti block system and the line is very thin. I never realized how bad my trail
breaking habits are before I tested first time, the Simucube pedals,
and now driving daily on the P1000. Seeing the ABC activated
on your dash is one thing, but feeling it on
your left foot is completely different story. It is very intuitive and helps enormously for the ultimate braking. At some point through the trail
breaking process, you will realized that the car cut speed
twice faster, with just barely touching the brake 8-10% instead of 30% pressure. I start to understand why the car
sometimes turns in great
and sometimes just oversteer. It opens completely new horizon
for me. It is just a subtle feedback, but a huge difference for iRacing. How it feels. Exactly. It is heavy rubber insight
which moves like piston up and down Because it works between 10 to 50 hertz And for ABS I found 12% to work
best for me. I can feel separate Each hit, which feels like real car abs,
pedal activation. It is not like vibration,
but mostly, like pedal is hitting my feet and is very intuitive for my brain. From noise is not silent at all And if there are other people in the same
room, will be very unpleasant sound. But I can’t hear it
outside of my racing place. It really does a great job
for what is intended to do. and noise I guess, will be the price
we have to pay. The traction control
and the bite point doesn't work in iRacing,
and the answer I have got is unclear. But the Simagic team told me
they are working on improvements which I don't know what exactly means. They really don't want to share much information with me,
and that is understandable as, they have their own competition
and I have to respect that. So, let me be clear! For now, iRacing feedback is limited just to ABC inputs. It is big thing, but only for cars
with antilock system. Remember, there is no feedback on the Porsche Cup for example, or V8 or any other car
without ABS system. They promise improvements
and more effects in the future. But that's what we have for now. If you reach to this point of the video means you really consider those as possible upgrade and some of you already
have made their own decisions. Some of you still don't know what to do. My responsibility as owner of this channel is to be absolutely objective
and able to separate what I personally like
and what the product really is. So, very high quality build and materials,
relatively easy for adjustment, possible future upgrades with hydraulic system
dual mode for the brake with load cell or position
sensor and can be inverted. We have also the feedback motors
and I think Simagic are not anymore new company
and have proved themselves. All this above
is the objective observation you must give the most of your attention. The pedals from quality are on the level with the top models on the market,
but with few advantages and one of those is way better at a price. Let's move now to the subjective of topic. You already have good pedal set,
but ask yourself if those will be upgrade for you. I will subjectively explain my personal
decision to keep those as my main pedal set I drove Imsim Talento for one year now
as first choice. for a standard non inverted pedals Those are the most conformable
I ever used. However, once I tested inverted pedals,
I personally don't want to go back. If I invert the Imsim talento, they will become just as comfy as those And I definitely like bit more
the feeling of each pedal in compression So inverted talento will win but, The haptic motor on the brake pedal
for my iRacing drive is my best friend now. Cube Controls have also made the best
brake feeling in compression I ever had But again. The haptic motors is something
I would not sacrifice for any feeling. And I'm not including Simucube pedals in that count
as they are different not any pedals. They are the pedals,
but they have the price. So that's my case and one important part for you to fully
understand is when you hear reviewer like me talking about feelings {I like tha and I don't like that} And I hate this, but love this. You really have to understand,
all those statements based on feelings are subjective, not scientific proof,
and may not apply at all for you. However, the pedals again
are absolute top quality for very competitive price,
and I hope to see the haptic motor on all pedals so we can enjoy the feedback on
whatever we have. Hope we will have soon the hydraulic upgrade and see how that will feel. Are those pedals for you? Well, I hope you have already
made your own conclusion.
