Shuttle Sunday: STS-8 and STS-9

hello everybody um if you're live let's have a 5x5 in chat to see that we're all working on the microphones and that will for the people watching this back lat to confuse them because we do this live on space c live um not every Sunday but when we got a spare Sunday and it's not like a starling or there's something else happening at Star base where we have to cover that as well we do a spare War Sunday for a shuttle Sunday it used to be just experts where I do a few photographs M too they were always cool but I thought hey you know why we got microphones and the ability to show the pictures on screen we can actually do an hour sht and that's why we're going through the missions we've started with ss1 and we're going through the missions now they're actually on the YouTube channel if you want to watch back under the shuttle Sunday uh folder or Channel area or whatever they call it playlist that's it playlist the word was looking for you can look back on these missions and I I tell you by the time we get through what about 20 missions worth I reckon we'll have a nice little collection there so it's well worth popping back and just using as a resource especially if you're at school and you you I say I see it a lot of times people saying I use the old shuttle photographs as resources for my project you have all my permission to do that use it as much as you want because I think it's important to recognize the history as we're into this new era of exciting space flight but enough of me prattling on let's introduce who I'm luckily got with me which is Mr Sawyer Rosenstein say hello Sawyer hello Sawyer you had to know that was coming how's it going Chris it's going very well it's always a good Sunday when it's a shuttle Sunday so these two missions we're going to do today is going to be sds8 and sds9 I've always remember missions and certain things from missions but just going back and grabbing the photographs and video clips and things like that from these missions you get reminded just how very there's such a variation on the missions especially in the early days a special you could see where it was trying to do what it promised which was multiple different kind of missions and objectives and trying that the failed unfortunately on the Cadence where they were meant to be rapidly launching again and again and of course the processing between missions proved to be so much of a challenge and we never got there but they did keep the capability of doing various different missions and I do love that so let's go on to sgs8 let's start with the pre-launch photographs if I can see where I am here let's have a look preparation let's bring up some photographs cuz I think this one's iconic when I bring this one up this was quite an interesting event before the launch when uh Challenger got to the pad there was a lightning strike and you can see how dramatic that was in this Photograph here which I always like to bring up because it just shows the they did have a lightning protection system you can see the pole there but this one actually got a ground strike so can you remember how how serious this was um anything in the documentation that suggested they really were concerned by it they were so concerned they launched a few hours later there we go there we go literally launched the same day as this picture was taken there was um obviously delay to the launch because of the thunderstorms but yeah uh they didn't seem that concerned by it it's kind of interesting because nowadays they would be uh we've seen lightning strikes I mean it's Florida for a start you're going to get lightning storms there um this is 39a I've I've seen close by hits where they've not even gotten to the pad but they've been close by enough to get the detection and they've really gone and reviewed it for the electrical systems they tend to be always okay by the way they never I've never really known one where they've actually had to roll a vehicle back or anything like that because of concerns from a lightning right but this is obviously um a very iconic picture because this one is I've seen this come up many times and they've not named the mission they just use it because it's very uh visually stunning but I agree in fact speaking of visually stunning let's bring up the p the patch the patches and I'll say this and I'll die on this Hills the old shuttle patches are where I've always kind of like said to Paulie when she's done our new starship patches these were when patches were really cool they said a lot there was things in the patches the N patches for a start they they tell a story as well but a secretive story these are very kind of like this is exactly what's happening yeah it's the little things in there again uh count the number of stars and and you'll figure out what mission number it is there are eight stars for sts-8 just a cool patch I I'll say this all time I brought this one up for you saw because this is the crew yeah now the we we'll talk about the iconic crew first uh later but the cat there we go that cat looks like he doesn't want to be there start but that is a cool crew crew photograph but of course this was iconic because a certain astronaut was making a um a very notable entrance into crew am I right sry how can I phrase that any better than that yeah uh guy blueford on the right there being the first African-American astronaut to fly into space absolutely and that was commanded by Richard Chile who's a name I recognize straight away all the time uhuh just and also look at this NASA worm luro come on every boys and girls NASA luro with the best one I do love it I'm sorry as a meatball fan I I I got to disagree let's give him a stun picture cuz it was really kind of cool just to see this transition the shtle has a lot of history in being first for space flight I um I we can bring up many examples as we go through the missions but this is just cool to see that this is the early 80s remember when there's no politically correct way of saying it but it's just nice to see progress let's put it that way I also like this patch as well look at this cind eyes on the left hand side and browny look do you notice story behind this CU i' I've searched and searched and searched and I can't find the story behind it I'll be honest the first time I've seen this patch so no I have no idea I have asked still shuttle Engineers we've got a lot of them in L2 um and they bring up answers I tend to go back as far as shuttle on slick six at California in vanderberg and they've got stories Gore about that but I went back on this patch and I asked them a story and we only got various kind of like I think it could be and I don't want to put anything out there on the internet which might be incorrect sir but it's just one of the pches they used I just like bringing up right let's look at some nice cool shuttle photographs there we are coming out the OPF which is Orit obit orbit procing facility for those who are not um sure of the old acronyms for shuttle there were three of them in the end and they've all been converted since they now we're talking about one of them Starliner that's where ConEd I think they call it the C3 PF now yeah I keep want to keep see C3 PR but it's not is it better than the um also with Starliner I mean the issue that they had the other day with the doghouse was the P2 D2 so you had the P2 D2 issue that they didn't catch in the C3 PF tell me that's not confusing for Star Wars fans indeed by the way I didn't realize when I actually got this picture in the folder but we should bring AJ AJ on to this at some point because he'll Rec I I did this with an old um I think it was an atlas launch where there was Aller old cars and I said to EJ on a tweet I said I can challenge you to named the cast and he went through them one by one it was incredible it like he was was like a 1our stream on his twitch Channel and he was just going through them one by one and actually naming them and it it wasn't the greatest photograph ever it was a bit like this quality and I bet he could name all these cars here as well in fact I'll hold that back and I'll I'll ping him later and say heyj is's a challenge for his L World cars from the I bet you he'll get it oh he will no he will he's he's amazing knowledge on that and then have some random fact about Challenger on there too he will yes nice little reflection shot this the photographs from back this this is like what we're talking about now nearly 40 years it really is really cool the these these pass the sniff test today as I could say really nice um and then the crew were there at the pad which was again that looks like it could have been a year ago it's not 398 I know it's changed since with SpaceX taking over 398 but this view to me is always iconic cuz the rotating service structure it's just something I'm always used to seeing it's still a little bit not modified yet I always look for the um the arm with the beanie cap on the end and it's still not there yet because you got the beanie cap there and you got this big rotating armor this back in the conversion between Saturn and shuttle and it did convert a lot more since but then since they've taken down this rotating service structure because SpaceX didn't need it and SpaceX have this the tower is still the same though the fix service structure is still the same as you see today at 39a which is always really incredible yes gives you a great idea of the height difference between Apollo and shuttle you're talking about there too of you know that swing arm all the way at the top versus where the beanie cap ends up being later on slightly lower down right at the top of the external tank absolutely launch photographs I've got a video to play but I'm just going to go through some photographs go to the video and may back to the photographs to finish this one but look at these photographs these are really cool there's like a reflection shot going on here I don't know what is going on there I don't know if they've been playing with it there's another photograph bring up later which no one can work out we could do with Jack on it because we just don't know how they did it but this is a lovely streak shot and the streak shots are kind of like our staple now with Falcon line styling launches aren't the saw so this is a really cool shot yeah I have one from the last launch actually that I took from my backyard but this was I guarantee I retweeted it this was the first night launch of the space shuttle program and the first night launch in general for NASA since Apollo 17 wow of course again this is what we do we go back you can be a fan of shuttle you could know your shuttle history I guarantee you there's not one one person who knows everything and you basically that's why it's great having saw on here because just you find things and I that's what I love about shuttle there's so much history in shuttle 30-year program you you can never get bored going back and looking back you never go back and think I knew everything about that mission you you find things all the time and I really love that about special program yeah also the fun fact of with it being the first shuttle night launch they weren't exactly sure of how they were going to be able to handle night vision essentially with everything in the shuttle and going on externally around them so they originally had I believe trained with like night vision goggles and all these fancy things until they finally realized the srbs are just so bright that it's they didn't need it cuz it's going to basically turn it into daylight anyway at that point you know what I think that's actually a reference in the video I'll be showing in a minute which is really kind of cool little segue there I mean I totally planed that of course yeah yeah no you've not you've not so he's not seen the video I've got lined up so he's come up with that himself there we go let's look at more launch photographs because you never go wrong with launch photographs let's face it really is cool and there you can see a good example of how the srbs light up the area I mean I've seen many many kind of like camcorder from the viewing public where it is Pitch Black and then it just turns today it really is amazing now and that's from like 12 miles away yeah my first ever launch was STS 130 which was a night launch so it was a shuttle launch at night as many night launches as I've seen the only thing that came close was SLS cuz it also had the srbs but that the way that the shuttle srbs lit up that sky was Unreal there you go that's a good example there's a good example there where it's only just launched and you can see it's already litting up the V ab area the KSC the industrial park is it there or what have you it really is impressive there's a turn Basin isn't it I'm going to bring this up because we are hang on I'll zoom in that's the turn Basin right yes it is there we go we were looking at just live today with the um Tower sections and the Chopsticks and what have you they're going to head out to Star base and that is where they are now they're right down here at the turnbas and where the dock is and then the the barge can that's where they got turn Bas because when they brought the external tanks in the car stages in sls's case they're big barges and they tend to do a little pouette and that's why it is a turn Basin and then it'll go down here is it the Banana River is that the Banana River there or is it further along you know the area I believe that's the Banana River the Indian River I think is the other way so that I believe would be the well I mean that's just a a little small narrow way I'm not sure if that's the actual R beyond that I think that may just lead out to the Atlantic very good I'm trying to recall I'm sure more people know geography better than I do we need Mr map but you can see you can actually see the light of the countdown clock in that if you swing over to the right by the water uh oh wow yeah see that super bright light that's the countdown clock that crazy that in fact this is great because you get your bearings you can see where you've W everyone's watched NASA the TV launches and they'll see the countdown clock which is it used to be the big LED lights is it now it's like a TV screen but um it really is impressive to sort like get your bearings here because you can think oh that's where people were standing at the C clock during this launch VB is over here the opss are over here and in this case now it's it's mobile launcher 2 being built over here so yeah it's really cool yeah F fact the countdown clock was loud the original countdown clock you could hear like the gears and the mechanisms and things essentially churning inside of it it was this was pre- LED bulbs in there too so it that's the one thing I remember about the old countdown clock which I got to see for 135 it was just next to it going thing is loud no visitor complex now they've replaced it with LED bulbs so it's quieter but it's weird no one's ever told me that story before yeah in all the years I've been doing this no one's ever told me that story before that's amazing so yeah it was the old big I mean is I IC I've got lots of um really I I'll be showing him on future shot Sunday so don't worry I'm not hiding his back and saying I've seen this cool thing you're not going to see it you will see on future show Sundays the clock is just like the with the audio of the countdown as well it's like tick tick tick and then everything lights up oh it's there was something iconic I that was that was one of the first things I did when I made it to the Press site for the first time for STS 135 was get to the countdown clock and see that the that view I feel like I could just say that view and you know exactly what I'm talking about yeah absolutely uh Westy the third in chat I'm reading chat at the same time this is not one of those um live streams where we're like you know we we'll take questions absolutely if you got any questions do out our speci they going to panel so by all means ask questions but I'm going to re chat live because it's not like a busy 100,000 people in the live stream thing it just goes west the third goes even nice even Chris B is learning I tell you one thing wesy I'm learning all the time I don't think I'll ever stop learning and I don't want to get in that position where I'll stop learning that' be quite boring wouldn't it it's just exciting to learn stuff and I I love learning with it so that's a fun thing this is the photograph it's baffled everyone now s you're good with cameras what the heck's going on here uh holy all right let me full screen this a second here yeah on my end because I got to take a closer look at this it's like some lens flares gone wrong and it's just come out really amazing it's the launch it's definitely the launch it's not like CGI anything it's the8 for a start but it's just like something has gone weird with the camera but it got saved and was uploaded to L2 you can see the dirt on the film um yeah that's I I feel like that has to almost be above a cloud layer yeah it's like has to be taken from the air it looks like it looks like it it's some WB 57 shot if there's such a thing from that mission that's gone wrong but it's come out amazing because is that the mo is that the moon what is going on there it looks like it might be but I don't think it is it must be no it can't be some issue with the lens some either a flare or again it could be a piece of dirt or something that reflected off the lens off the uh film there I've huh like you were saying about learning something new there you go look you can make out the shuttle you can make out a shuttle that's obviously the sib plume chat have you got any ideas any photographers in here who's got any ideas what's going on with this Photograph because I've asked in L2 and we had various kind of like theories but no one knew for sure and we can't find the history behind the photograph we know it was scanned to us it was scanned to us and donated as part of an upload um so it's definitely being taken and put in a collection somewhere and then given to us but no one's got any details and chat's got no idea either it's fun though because it is so beautiful I I do like that I would have that on my wall Adrien yeah that's one of those things that honestly only film can capture as much as I love digital and the fact that you see the photo instantly and we can just pop it right on X and socials and all of that it's just something about the art of taking shuttle photography with film like this that's unbelievable absolutely now I know if I'm going to do the mission photographs or do the video first I think I'll just whiz through the photographs and then we'll do the video because the video and I'll pause it for landing so I'll do some like Landing photographs and landing video video and we'll finish this Mission off but yeah there's lots going on in this mission in fact we should probably talk about that s the primary objectives of this Mission it's inside 1B isn't it it is uh actually there were originally supposed to be two main payloads on board this Mission it was supposed to be inset 1B and tedris B as well oh so uh after the launch of uh tedris a there they had the issue with the IU the inertial upper stage so they decided that they needed to kind of redesign all of that and uh tedris B was removed from the Manifest and instead placed on unfortunately STS 51l uh but in the meantime though they still put in a mass simulator that would be kind of representing where that payload was as a way for them to test out as you were just highlighting the canadarm yeah nice little view candra there's lots of um obviously experiments as well on board you can see the crew with all the instrumentation all over them and doing a lot of work in the mid deck uh there's the um this happened quite a lot as well so there's like from their schools there either Navy or their army I things like that I think this lot we're all Navy because the Navy Navy Navy beat Army and that's the American football game isn't it the American football games play um army versus Navy I think every year it's army versus Navy but then there's also a friendly rivalry with army Navy and Air Force so yeah you'll see that a lot among the astronauts and that continues to this day that I mean all I can think remember giny uh six and seven the rendevu there they had the uh Go Army Beat Navy in the window that's right keeping aition I wonder if we'll see that um I think we've seen ve very small versions of it but maybe on the crude missions for Dragon we might start seeing on the ISS bit more because you get different Crews going up uh P the first person cards from space before blue origin thought about it there we go yeah uh I believe they had about 200,000 of them there were uh I think they were like $9 Stamps though they were expensive stamps at the time because they were Express stamps on them but those were later sold at auction and the proceeds were split between NASA and the Postal Service nice look at this lovely glove in fact the video I'll be playing in a very short moment will be will explain quite a lot of this because again this is is the early days of spal this is stsa this is really early days so they are still learning the test flights were sts1 to sts4 but they were still learning all the way through in fact they were learning right to the end let's face it but these were like lots of dto they call them a detailed test objectives where they would basically just add things to the mission along with the primary objectives of satellite deployers and what have you they would add lots of little didn't have to complete them all but if they could it was like really kind of bonus points for the mission yeah one of the biggest ones actually on this one was even though it didn't launch tedris B was testing out the tedras network and realizing hey we got a lot of work to do still on it there was uh a lot of issues with some of the ground stations I believe one of them in White Sands was causing problems so a lot of this mission was just testing out uh Communications via Tetris this looks like inset 1B that is inset 1B for sure uh with the Pam D at the bottom there there you go I'm bring you up there we go that's what it did I mean we've mentioned this before on the previous show Sunday that they would go into low earth orbit because that's where the SP sh went it didn't go anywhere else it wasn't really able to do that um and then if you're looking at these sights here they they couldn't be deployed they couldn't survive in low or that was not their mission so they would use these little Ms I think there were were the solid Ms they were yeah little solid M on the on the bottom there so basically pop out the G like this uh the shot would get its distance and then it would fire up that M and that would be like almost like the kick stage you see in rocket lab launches where the job is being done by the carrier spacecraft the first and second stage in the cas rocket lab and the kickstage is what takes it to its final orbit so that was literally a diversion of that they took up the kickstage in the payload Bay with the satellite as well lots of stories to come on that as well C ones what to come there are little there' be long stories but those are the pictur that to someone named Pam and tell them they rock it which by the way that's just it just stands for I believe it was payload assist module yes if I recall yeah yes uh right this is where we've got Jay in the background helping us out with the technical side of this so thank you to Jay in advance this is where we test Jay's skills on making sure audio video comes through so by all means chat let me know if this audio comes through if it's too loud too quiet or whatever ready here we go there's a vehicle on the pad night of launch there's a on the pad the night of the launch unfortunately you can't see the lightning and the rain uh as we depart our quarters heading out uh to the pad once again it doesn't show but it was raining cats and dogs and I think uh each of us in the crew were uh not real confident that we were going to get off here's a picture in the cockpit before liftoff uh that's looking over Richard's shoulder and uh we got off a little bit late but we did get the go and the three main engines started just fine and we're running very smoothly when it was a little bit of uh vibration in the cockpit uh the srbs lit off and it became very bright as you can see right here it was just like day in the cockpit uh and all during first stage uh we didn't need lights in the cockpit it was uh plenty bright the uh vibration was pretty much like other Crews have explained in the cockpit uh when they during first stage uh we were shaking around a little bit but nothing you couldn't handle and uh from reports that people on the ground they got a a pretty spectacular show uh from inside the cockpit looking out it it looked like you kind of expect it to look like at the top of of this you were like you were looking into a cloud with a bright light I mean it was just a glow all around the cockpit and once we got up away from the ground a little bit you couldn't see the ground anymore and it just looked like you were in the middle of a glowing ball which we were which we were you can see out the windows there that that's a sort of a representation here we're going through uh well you just missed went through the cloud deck there which kind of reflected a little more light back in the in the cockpit now this is just going through the cloud deck at about 20,000 ft you can see that the vibration isn't too bad and uh we're all in there busily checking our instruments uh being sure everything is running properly the the next scene you'll see from the cockpit is when the solid rocket boosters uh departed and that was really a bright bright flash and after that uh there wasn't as much flashing or brightness in the cockpit until Sr uh to main I mean external tank there's a SE with the srbs that's when those Rockets push it away and it really gets bright okay once we got on orbit uh the view from space was just spectacular and this is just an indication of that uh just from the cockpit uh one of the objectives of our mission was to deploy the inside satellite and this is uh the cockpit Arrangement associated with deploying the satellite in this particular view Dan is actually operating the 16 mm camera uh panning the cockpit you can see dick over there on the left he's um sort of sort of supervising the operation there's Dale he's going to be handling the cameras and the switches and I'm working from uh the commander seat up front uh sending out commands through uh keyboard and talking to the Pam and uh satellite through uh C RT uh display you can see that said with it that was basically our Arrangement our Dan you know there were very few uh vibrations of any sort there's a picture of the insat uh actually being deployed from the uh spacecraft you can see that the the deploy went very smoothly at the moment of deploy there was a large thump and uh as I said the uh spacecraft was deployed very smoothly and uh there was no vibrations or no uh procession of the satellite as it left the uh the uh this is a view in the a flight deck I'm over at the uh arm station and Richard to the left to fly the vehicle here you can see uh the arm going in towards grapple fixture number five remember that's the one on the front of the pfta you can see here it looks like we're losing losing the view of the uh arm as it goes behind the DFI pallet in the front however from the cockpit that was a very comfortable thing to do and it never appeared to us that we were getting close to contact this is uh lifting the pfda out in direct mode where I'm moving one joint at a time again on grapple fixture 5 and here's a shot with grapple fixture too A lot of the tests were putting the arm and the pfda up in various configurations and then putting pulses into the Orbiter or into the arm and seeing what the relative motions were between the two so uh we did on flight day five uh something that surprised us all as far as the views go and that is uh a look at the underside of the vehicle this task has always been in our repertoire it's been in the checklist but we've never had to use it uh dick worked on it some in sts2 in anticipation of being able to look at tile uh here you can see the view of the underside is is extremely clear and again these are 16 millimeter movies made off the TV film so the TV is really much better than this here we zoom in I think on one of the elevant this is the port Elon which is down a little bit and you can see that with the real VTR film you're almost able to make out numbers on individual tiles we're really surprised at the great view that that we got with this technique this series you can see some verer Jets firing in the back of the vehicle and after the next one watch how how the verier jet firings excite the glow around the ohms spot you can see it there it gets very bright for a few seconds and then slowly Fades away but even at it at its dimmest you can see that you can still see the glow and it was even more apparent to us with our uh with our eyeballs here we're setting up for an on orbit ohms burn we're getting some things ready in the mid deck there's the ohms engines firing out the back and now watch what happens in the mid deck that's 1/16th of a g each of the ohms engines is 1 foot per second squared for a total of 2 feet per second squared and that 1/16th of a g Fel felt like a lot to us after being up there for uh 3 or 4 days and you can see the acceleration on the tape it keeps wanting to go back towards the AF bulkhead because we're accelerating forward towards the left of the screenit part of the film now we're gonna right so that was I want to go to the end because I didn't realize it was that far into the video but the great thing with the H burn where they all get pushed back on a mid deck I know that's been done a few times and they really enjoy it and the ISS does it as well during sun burns because they can actually just see people moving with the um direction of the thrust really cool by the way we got rudely interrupted by a second Chopstick AR in at KSC so two different arms Cannon arm and Chopstick arm oh it's all it's all working out but yeah I mean um if someone in the background like gav can actually if he's listening um can do a tweet for that then it'll be quite fun because then we'll have people coming in confused to be like Chopstick but what the heck's a sha doing on the left hand side what's going on I don't understand but yeah we got to The Landing part so I wanted to pause it there bring up some Landing photographs because we've got some lovely photographs here the night landing as well at this by the way also just one thing worth pointing out while we were talking about it before we get to The Landing uh they mentioned a couple things the DTI which was uh out there and they originally had that I believe on the earlier missions just to kind of test prove some things and ended up using it as a little science rack that hung out inside the uh payload Bay and yeah as you saw they were doing all the different methods with the robotic arm with since they didn't have teders B with that thing that kind of looked a bit like something else from Star Wars that uh they were testing the different grapple fixtures on anyway the first night landing of the space shut program at this really nice photograph this I know it's not the best quality but it's just I I do like that because it just gives you an idea of the the engine on the back which obviously are not being used for landing coming back in we got another photograph here there we go nice little silhouette also I love how you could see just the brightness of the lights cuz the shuttle unlike normal air planes doesn't have Landing lights cuz they couldn't come up with ones that would survive re-entry so instead of being able to have the lights from under the shuttle they had to have the crazy ridiculous number of Lights at Edwards yep awesome stuff right let's go back to the video because we have a bit more of the video to go not a lot um and then we'll um get to The Landing part which is this so we're going to got a bit to go but it's good cool Landing videoly about the talk briefly about the entry and Landing this is 16 mm photography taken by Dale of the front windows again you can see the glow which now is uh is orange in color and as we described uh before these are the pulses taken by Dale by holding a camera and looking aft and above his head above the tail we have uh and this is real time incidentally this pulsing is uh is happening at the frequency that you're seeing it it is not understood at the moment we've shown it to the thermal folks and uh it's going to take a little uh a little thinking to describe what it is that we're seeing this is probably a little long for the press conference we left this entire sequence in so that our engineering friends could uh take a look at it panting of the cockpit with the glow as it started out out uh changing colors it up high it was sort of a salmon color and finally got quite hot this is the landing as seen through an infrared uh camera that was uh out at Edwards transported down there from the Navy weapons Center at China Lake you'll notice it's infrared so actually the VIS the vehicle was not visible to anybody that was there at this point the brighter areas are the hottest and so you can see the red hot or white hot nose cone there and if you look carefully you can see that the window areas are also hotter it's so good that you see the gear deployment you and you can see that black area or actually the cold rubber main tires and uh we defy Hollywood to uh match this sequence this is the Challenger coming in for landing on Runway 22 at uh Edwards you'll see kicking up a little bit of dust off the Runway surface there's a touchdown Which was uh uh fairly smooth and and uh all I can say for the landing is my head is off to the people that helped us develop the the heads up display and the night lighting system and to the great work that was in support for the last year generally in the middle of the night to the folks out in our shuttle training aircraft that provided DED me with the training that it took to uh to to accomplish this first night landing finally at the end here's the crew holding on for dear life to the rails to make sure they don't embarrass themselves walking down these steps but actually by now people uh everybody was readapting quickly to 1G and uh I hope this movie portrays to you the fact that uh we uh had a lot of fun on the flight because if it if it does it was certainly accurate there we go it's a cool video longer than I thought it was actually fa but it really was a nice thing because you're starting to see now the re-entry footage from on board they're starting to make a big deal out of that because they're still learning about what they're seeing and it is kind of a Synergy with what's going on today with what we might see from the outside the external cameras from Starship which will be our first time ever where we'll actually start seeing potentially all the way through re-entry uh via the star link down link and the um the fact that it's such a bigger vehicle Starship is bigger than shuttle so that's more more area W lond that that is very true very true yes I was before we went on the air like the parts that are rolling out there I was uh right next to the tower segment yesterday and the thing is massive and that was one of nine segments and compare that to you know shuttle going by you really get that size comparison even just with the pictures next to each other the cool thing is um gav has um referenced the Chopstick the second and Chopstick going to the turnbas SC area uh with a link to this we're actually live talking about all the time so we're going to have some confused people arriving very shortly thanks to people looking for Chopsticks and going now there's a chopstick well what the heck's going on on the right hand side well what's going on on the right hand side is we're moving on to STS9 that's what we're doing actually before we do something that will lead us into STS9 because it does have some significance in it is uh after the post flit when they were doing the analysis of there were actually not that many issues with the vehicle infl flight but then they got back the srbs after they splashed down and freedom star and Liberty star bring them back so on the nozzles of the srbs uh they had this resin lining that was meant to burn away was about 8 cm thick and they figured that during firing obviously some of it's going to burn away uh so they figured that it would burn away at most to half thickness so four CM uh when they saw the leftmost booster come back the nozzle had a half a centimeter of resin left when they figured there should be about 4 cenm left yeah uh some people figured they were maybe less than 15 seconds away from a entire burn through that would have destroyed the nozzle they didn't think much of it until obviously SRB issues became apparent following 51l but it almost became a disaster as they later found out with that solid rocket booster there we go I think that might be an entrance to the shuttle near misses that I think we're planning to do a video on in a not too distant future because obviously there's a lot going on with um what we've been talking about as far as close calls with the space sh program I say quite jly but I do not mean it gerly because it was a very serious issue right and they actually ended up having uh delays to the next mission because of srbs nazle issues and that was STS9 absolutely right let's do a quick some thanks Chris you ukin became a capricom member so you're in our Discord now Chris welcome thank you for your support and asky Horsemen who supports us all the time give to Red Team membership I I'll make sure I read them out because this is a live show people watching it back I guarantee more people watch it back just from the views I've seen um we'll be confused why I'm reading out things like that but we do a live show on the um space c live Channel at this time on occasional Sundays so if you're thinking oh I would have watched it live if I knew about that just keep an eye out for the pin comment you can see the pin comment on top of this one right now saying short of Sunday at 2 300 p.m. Eastern and that's what we do so you can watch it live but we also record it so people watching back on the recording probably confused by me reading out super chats just because it's live right now so thank you for your support um a few more questions before we go to ss9 by the way saw you uh where did the clock go we're talking about the old countdown clock do you know where it went uh visitor complex is there but obviously they upgraded it a bit as uh they got rid of the regular light bulbs and replaced them with LEDs uh the base is still there they just gutted the mechanics of it to allow it now to work with the LCD screens that's out there very good uh someone called Kevin Michael Reed says oh no it's short Sunday and I forgot I'm here now you can start over we got to start over again sorry we got to start again from the start or Mr Kevin Reichel Reed could just rewind the tape such a thing 30 minutes to the start of the show so we don't have to start over again you can listen back from the start yes welcome Kevin thank you for joining us U mattz one of our regulars uh is it possible the SB would get ignited by a lightning strike that lightning strike uh no all of the firing mechanisms and everything on that were internal there was extra safety features related to that so no there was no risk uh of the lightning actually igniting inside it plus you had that external Metal Coating on the uh SRB cases and these were the thicker SRB cases too they ended up switching to slightly thinner ones uh starting I believe with uh STS 41b there we go very good few more questions but we'll hold them back for this Mission because they're all relevant to shuttle in general let's go on to STS9 this was Challenger's return sorry Colombia's return we saw the previous Mission with with Challenger because Challenger had taken over the mantle while Colombia was being converted to Hurst this big thing in the back which is space lab so this is the first space lab Mission this is where shot was really probably stretching it Str uh stretching its wings because if you think about it it is a very large vehicle but normar you'd only have crew in this area here if you can see where my um little cursor is moving and on the screen that would be the flight deck in the mid deck but with with the space lab in the back they could use this transfer pole and use basically like a small like a module on the ISS basically to put it in in Blunt terms it literally was like a module on the ISS but in the cargo bay of the space sh and this is where Isa got involved as well because it all cooperation um it really was quite interesting we've got a lot of patches I'm going to show these patches that that is kind of like men at work kind of thing I don't know what's going on there patch it looks like an e one because you can see it's that kind of design um but this is where they did a lot of work on making sure this is the patch this is a beautiful patch again a beautiful PCH really is yeah you got space lab in there again Nine Stars also notice the shape of the shuttle Trail is a nine there we go it's just just brilliant and I I do love I've said it before but to start the show how Pauline has taken that kind of like let's make the patch relevant rather than sort of like using the generic so like picture of a Starship launch and then adding a different number to it each time which might become the case when they start launching every week but for now when they're doing objectives the partch reflects the objective the main objective and that's where where we flight four patches and flight five I've seen in draft leaking time I've seen the patch five it is amazing it is probably going to be the best one let's hope everything goes right for flight four though first and foremost right let's go through some I want a starling 664 patch oh can you imagine styling patch but like we need a we need a team of people and there's no way we could get them turned around from the Patch factory so it won't work at all there's there's no there's no solution to that and I don't think they'd sell that many oh I got the Starling 644 what you know collector's edition who stands out here the most for you sorry come on I mean it's obvious the man in the B the middle right there John Young on his zoing in what would be his final flight and if I recall he flew on two missions of all the programs he flew in to geminy to Apollo and to shuttle yeah such I mean became the first person ever to on the same spacecraft twice I've seen a picture of him um Gemini I think it was and he had that kind of like you you hear the phrase steel ey missile man which usually works for not just astronauts but also for controllers and people like that people who do well on missions his expression I will find it one day and put it into chat um it just said to me everything that it's probably the one that stuck out the most for me as like that's an ashau if I had a friend come around has no interest in space fight whatsoever and starts asking me question questions and says what's astronauts like I would bring up that picture of J young and say that's an astronaut cuz everything about that photograph is astronaut to me I will find it and put in chat at the end of shuttle Sunday trust me on this one because it's such a good photograph but yeah that's why he's always stuck with me and of course sds1 I mean come on let's not forget it it really what a what a person what what a human being all those comments it's really really cool right moving through the photographs here cuz there's a lot of pre-launch photographs s here where they are developing building and installing Bas lab which is for the first time in a shuttle so it's really cool look at this this is an old one of our Isa friends sent me some really old yeah it's just like you know it looks nothing like it yet because it just going for the structures you got the People by the way great mustache what a mustach that handlebars wonderful work there I wish I could grow a mustache CU I would grow one like that and then we've got we got the red we I say renders it were drawings obviously back in those days of just what it would like and you can imagine people this is probably pre- shuttle as well when these these drawings came out for the objective the shuttle program once it got going you could probably imagine going wow this this massive space plane can also carry this you can see where some of the excitement would have come from because that is literally preiss this is like the the version of um guy where they had it Mobile in the back of a Space Shell I can imagine some excitement about that I know a lot of disappointment that Apollo didn't carry on and probably go through the Mars missions and rightly S because that should have been the path but at least the shuttle did bring something else to the table as much as is probably the wrong step to make if I can put it that way if I can phrase it carefully you can see the sky laab people there working at space lab get the two yeah well like I was saying it's also tricky because you have ow and Gary who flew on skyb flying on the first space lab Mission too oh dear me these are these are like photographs no one seen before by the way these are just like an a friend who basically put them into all two for us and just historic we're going back many many years that looks like it could have been taken like a week ago it really is many many many many many years ago oh that wiring this I like this is just basically it's relevant to the mission but it also cover was lots of things to do with special anyway so let's bring it up here so I'm going to see where we can start from the start so we got the weird how it's designed here here we go so we got all the this is basically skylab's development and installation into the shuttle and you get to the OPF you get to where it goes to the Vib goes to the launch site then you got the launch phase you got the return phase really nice little graphic here which just goes through all the objectives it's it's weirdly put by the way cuz I was starting at the bottom there I just realized you go halfway through the middle but it really sub Mission phases there we go it's really cool I I like that I just basically grabbed it from The sds9 Collection I like that also interesting that um again like the first satellite from STS 8 I believe was installed out at the pad and this was installed in the OPF o nice little cofa there yeah makes sense considering that it was literally linked to the airlock look what this astronaut's doing what's this's he's wearing the first VR headset ever seen in the world that they did again this is what these missions were about it was about learning it was a lot of medical it a lot of experiments it was basically trying to utilize the fact that we're in microgravity to conduct things you can't do on Earth not at this scale at the very least and you'll see lots of little Easter eggs here look at this little hatch here where they could deploy literally deploy payloads from the lab up this airlock into space while on the orbit it was really quite a cool system wow yeah one of the big things that they were trying to deal with in these early missions was space adaptation sickness AKA getting up into space and throwing up and couldn't figure out exactly why that happened to some people and not everyone so that was one of the big things they were trying to figure out in the early shuttle missions I think that might be in the video not the actual throwing up by the way so don't wor girls I'm I'm not going to show any vomiting on screen uh but it really is really interesting what they did here again I've got more of these this is good because it goes back to what I was saying nor Mar bring it over this to the left is where the crew would go you got the flight deck here you got the mid deck there so that is basically a space shuttle for the humans the pressurized volume for the crew that was it nothing else the rest was was like a truck like a trailer on the back of a of a lorry Lorry that might not translate to the Americans the back of a truck let's just say truck but with the lab you had all this as well now so it really changed the game as far as what a crew could do and the amount of space to work in and the amount of experiments they could carry up as well because the mid deck lockers are only limited to that amount of space there so you had all this capacity added to it it was really I can imagine people being excited about it back in the day and that's why allowed them to have little sleeping bunks finally yeah I mean exactly I mean this is it it's it's not a massive area and we've seen turs I remember Chris J who's now a space exper we all know Chris G we all loveing Chris G um did um took a took a camera on board one of the retired orbiters I think it was Endeavor it was in surprisingly small it's cramped it's even more cramped than you may imagine from this this drawing here so you know I can imagine the relief they would have been able to work on what were usually long orbits long missions as well I remember tragically SDS 107 was a very long Mission because it had its lab in the back and of course that ended terribly but it was just basically a different B to shuttles capabilities here we got the crew here as well there we go SCS Cruz which helps put it on screen rather than having to read out each one of their names so that's good there's we have two firsts we have the first non US citizen to fly on a shuttle mission and that would be oh gosh I'm going to butcher the pronunciation probably but U marbold who was from West Germany and then you had Byron lenberg who was one of the first private payload Specialists who was with MIT not NASA there we go very good let's skip through I know I've got quite a lot of these here we go this this is installed in the cargo bay now so you can get an idea of the size of it there's the actual module itself you can see all the European flags because e is involved and that's at KSC there's another lce drawing I mean again these are not computer renders not back in day and they did some lovely drawings I must admit just different kind of like turn to them I mean CGI is amazing when but just the way this is like probably hand on it's just like really cool um and then back to the patch I think there we go back to the patch so let's go back onto the folder and look for the launch which is this picture here just a few pictures of the launch yes yeah which the launch interestingly they uh like you mentioned we finally see The Return of Colombia it was kind of out of service while they were making some upgrades to it and one of those was swapping out the main engines because Challenger had the ones that could throttle up to 10 14.5% of their maximum rated thrust Colombia originally didn't so they swapped out those engines for the 104% ones and the original Columbia engines were then taken upgraded and placed on Atlantis there we go again I'm going to bring this up photographs uh you sya our team all the photographers take amazing photographs this is 1983 to me that is just like that could have been if the sh was still flying and Heaven thank goodness it isn't and I say that genuinely because they retired honorably and it was only a matter of time before something else was going to go wrong it's just the way the sh was by Design unfortunately that could have been taken yesterday it it's just a beautiful photograph it really is I remember when I was grabbing that I was thinking this is this could go on my wall as well I've got no space left on my wall thanks to the metal prints little store plug there lovely little photograph this is basically just be entering the RO program i' would say because you see it arc on a lot of the RO program um photographs but it's a little further up in a scent this is probably about 10 seconds into launch if anything and nice little photograph there just Columbia back at our home base after being um put through some conversion for this mission in question and I think that's lovely let's bring up the other fold this is probably a long folder cuz I know the mission itself is got a lot involved this is quite cool I'll bring up a I've got a video as well which shows a lot more there's Mr Young and friend upside out Miss by the way took quite a while to get off the ground because uh again as mentioned there was the issue with the SRB nozzle making this the first ever mission to have to be rolled back to the VAB and D stacked there we go nice little so fact there this is inside Space lab which is a good idea of the amount of equipment they had in there the video will show it a lot better as well with the extra capacity they had to actually deploy experiments into the environment of space from within the laboratory itself which was really unique I'm sure at the time as well it's still unique to me when I was watching it uh I got some food for I was hoping Jack might be on there cuz I've got some food um things here but there we go Astro food it's not as bad as you see in the movies in the movies it tends to be like tablets and you know things you basically just look very unappetizing this doesn't look too bad to me especially as an Englishman because quite a lot of beige involved but um well they improved it over time uh the food that's for sure it started off not as great then rehydration became a lot more common obviously you've got a galley now in the shuttle which helped in terms of the food that they could bring up uh astronauts tend to like spicier Foods because all the blood ends up going to their head so shrimp cocktail turns out Apparently one of the favorite astronaut Foods uh According to some of the people I've talked to but there we go how many astronauts you spoken to Aya uh 107 as of yesterday soy Flex it grew Yesterday by one uh wow yeah of course that's a good point you keep adding to the list don't you that's amazing I try and the other thing you'll notice in these photos is that you'll typically only see about three astronauts at a time even though this was the largest ever crew to fly into space up to that point with six people prior to that the most was five as we saw in STS 7 and 8 um but they split it so that they could do 24-hour science they split up into red team and blue team and this is something that you would typically see during future space lab and space Hab missions so uh yeah John Young Bob Parker and UL that were on the red team and then they would do their 12-hour stint and then Brewster Owen and Byron would take the blue team second there we go uh this is the photograph I was waiting to bring up cuz I knew I I I collected a photographs before going short Sunday the question is from six string simpleton who asked why no pressure flight suits right S I know it changed but back before Columbia uh back before challer was lost on 51l uh this was pretty much a staple flight suit wasn't it um what protection if anything would they have I mean I wonder what do you have any insight into the thinking of why they went with just the flight suits like this just Blue flight suits I mean the flight suits are meant to be semi fire retardant so there's I guess a little bit of help there but mainly I guess they figured in terms of depressurization but the biggest thing was just to have the oxygen flow I don't think depressurization was as big of a concern at the time beyond that plus the main thing that was a shuttle selling point was that it was a t-shirt environment that you didn't need to be suited up the whole time you could kind of you know get to the mission critical points and then just hang out in a t-shirt and shorts and be fine yeah by the way quick thanks Rebecca I see store messages and it's it's relevant to this show I look forward to shutle Sunday so much thank you and let's bring up and see if it comes up I don't know if it'll work on this kind of stream but we'll soon find out if the actual me there does yeah he got the flight four patch this is cool right I like this Sawyer this is somebody who's got the flight four patch for Starship watching a shuttle Shir and I always say so I go on about it monotonously where I say Starship is everything I say everything which is probably too generalized everything what sh wanteded to be and by what I mean by that is rapid reusability it was never going to be full reusability on sh because we knew the external tank was not going to get reused the srbs would have bring would brought back to Port but then taken apart by the casin um but the Orbiter was obviously and there's a lot of Maintenance between the too there's some many synergies even elon's recent tweet about the TPS about losing a tile in a bad area would be you know not survivable the shtle Lost tiles but luckily apart from 107 of course um they would just about get through it there was the Atlantis Mission the name the actual s Miss thank you s where they lost a lot of TPS a lot of TPS tiles and one of been a very critical area but thankfully they had um some internal protection by luck wasn't it it was basically just a plate which basically did not burn through otherwise would been a bad which in that uh sh near Miss video which should be coming out sooner than later that it's in there and I remember I was editing that one so I pulled the pictures for it and just seeing that again for SCS 27 going three or four tiles to the left and there goes the Orbiter yeah crazy really is I mean this is what the um the video I'm looking forward to the most probably coming up as far as sh goes because there are many stories people may not know everyone knows about the two disasters let's face it and rightly so but they dodged the bullet a few times to say the least and that's why even as a big shuttle fan sorry back me up on this as a big shuttle fan would you still want it flying today I'm going to say no I mean would I want it yes would it be the smart thing no there you go that's probably a better answer there we go much thank you s um right let's quick move in through these pictures because we've got we're we're talking about shuttle we will go over time as we always do there's the crew we're talking about the largest crew to date so far and there is the crew all in one photograph that's a cool photograph there we go the flight deck before the glass cockpit still the old screens the glass cockpit made it look very futuristic for the time by the way um but even back then it's still an impressive set of Raz and knobs and levers and what have you but that was the old design of the cockpit they all got converted to the glass cockpit they all see our te's there's me with my speech at the UK Meetup thought you'd appreciate that s when I brought it I'm cheating because I actually thought about that I was just bring the picture with I mention on but that is really I'd be lying if I didn't say that I didn't uh come up with some jokes ahead of time oh there we go yeah um we're going to play a video let's see if this plays cuz I when I bring up tties I'll I'll mute myself there we go this is your standard uh engine light off and it's sure is uh it's different in one respect the engines come up to speed uh you feel that noise in the cockpit quite clearly it's uh things are shaking mostly your knees the bolts blow right here and this is a beautiful shot right here it's one of the prettiest liftoff shots I've ever seen it clears the tower and I always say it comes very close the edge of this thing here but it misses it every time so I guess that's all right one thing that was different on our Ascent was our 15° per second roll rate it's a real high roll rate we rolled at uh to 135° you wanted to get up thing pointed in the right direction before you had to encounter load relief and uh of course it rolls around and completes that roll within the before it's starting to do 300 knots our Max Dynamic pressure equivalent air speed for as an example 466 knots this is taken from the chase plane and she's starting to climb straight up they'll defocus and refocus this saying you can watch it go supersonic look at those Shocks come off there the vibration and the noise picks up when you go through Dynamic pressure in a way that I don't remember on sts1 but because the seats were pinned down there's a lot less vibration a lot less and it was really a nice ride anything that Brewster well it uh it really put you back in the seat right away kind of surprised me uh the G's are you real fast here's a good shot of the uh SRB SE and when that happened uh we got a lot of material over our front windshield uh that kind of surprised us a little bit but uh you could see through it later on when you needed to we finally made it to uh orbit and opened up the payload bay doors and deployed the radiators and put out the Ku band antenna and we were ready to operate in a really short time and this gives you an idea how easy it is to get around in there you just float in in and out of the seat and this is a configuration on orbit with our little uh computer that told us where we were in the world and and one CRT running uh most of the time and alone on the flight deck while the other guys were busy doing science and John's taking pictures out the window there with a 35 mm camera and 105 millimeter lens on it that we borrowed from the guys in back and once we got the uh hatch open the uh science crew started uh heading back to the space lab to crank it up and they'll tell you about that here we are we're just floating back to open up the space lab hatch and now enter the space lab for the first time and uh it was just the way we had left it on the ground another thing had come apart and it looked almost like home just like our trainers would have been over at the Marshall space flight center in the uh uh payload crew training area and felt very very uh comfortable moving on in here and beginning to activate the space lab have a few valves to to throw and uh uh various pieces of of equipment to turn on and uh uh let's see I guess and so we've now in the process of closing it back up putting the lower hatch the inner hatch back onto the scientific air lock and then after that's completed we would open the outside hatch and extend the experiments on into space it's a very easy to move that lower hatch around inner hatch uh in weightlessness much better than it is on the ground here's a view showing the outside hatch now opening up to expose that 1 M diameter chamber and after the outer hatch is laid back fully 180° then we'll see the experiment table with the experiments on it then cranked out into space and the first thing that we're extending here is the diagnostic package for the Japanese experiment and that can uh then be uh exposed to the plasma directly out into the environment and measure what's going on here's just a brief Glimpse showing ham radio or amateur radio operations looking out is driven by a difference in surface tension that is another experiment see that little tank it is partly filled with silicone oil and it is used as a model uh for Rocket tanks to find out how the liquid behaves inside a tank that is a simple uh sphere just um uh water sphere and I'm pinching a little injection needle in it and I'm trying to uh put a water an air bubble inside the water and see how it moves inside and you can also create all sorts of oscillations it's very spectacular and here's the entry join up the Charlie Justice in his Chase plane is joining up he's getting better and better at it and uh it's a beautiful day out there at Edwards we could see the lake bed from 60 miles out and had no doubt about where we're going and what we're doing on the flying end of it uh because of our problems we'd been up for a long time uh rooster been up about 14 and 1/2 15 hours I'd been up about 20 and A2 hours I think and uh even so because we've had a lot of practice doing this kind of thing it just seemed like uh old home week getting back there and shooting those approaches shooting that approach see the shallow Glide slope we're on a 17 degree short 17 degree Glide slope it's really a shallow Glide slope it's hard to believe that the Orbiter right there weighs almost 110 tons but it does and it's uh coming down and uh just working beautifully the Orbiter has a lot more uh Precision crisp uh handling qualities in the real vehicle and we've been able to do in some of our simulators because uh would take a really super actuator to make those crisp motions uh and it's very straightforward uh we're a little low on energy so Brewster held the gear down to about uh 250 ft but the gear still comes down locks in about 5 Seconds 6 seconds and the ground effect model we've never really it's tough to simulate it just properly but the ground effect model really cushions this baby with this big delta wing it just cushions it beautifully right into the into landing there it looks like about a 12 Dee angle of attack and a straightforward uh landing and roll out I think the lake bed must have been still wet a little bit cuz we really decelerated rapidly uh we weren't using very much brakes and we rolled a stop uh 10,200 ft from the threshold which with that big payload but least show us something about our capability into bort fields around the world which are a little shorter if you look real close you can see us little bitty nose wheel steering test in there somewhere it's kind of hard to see from this angle yeah but it's there sure is a delightful flying machine of start to finish and like I say it weighs quite a bit and we prove the capability to bring back on that mission uh over 21 tons of payload in vehicles like the discovery we also uh looked at a new flexibility and coming in over uh over the poles almost we're over the utions and so and Island in in that area now here you see uh six men getting off a spaceship after uh 10 days in space they haven't had a bath you might say this is six dirty old men but and they probably really are looking forward to a shower and I think I like I like that basically um you got someone as serious and like really focused as John Young and he's um talking about the orbitor like this baby and praising the vehicle he did that quite a lot I think he described sts1 uh Columbia after sts1 saying this the world's greatest electric flying machine do you want me to take you into the hanger Jer and we just it down first it they do have that we talked about in the previous show Sunday they do have that you know love of the vehicle that I think's important because it it means you know they they're going to care about it more and that helps make sure that nothing's missed that could have been missed maybe they didn't care if it was a monotonous thing to do so I I like little things like that little Laster eggs in these videos where the crew are just talking as if they would to you in a pub or something like that it really is a nice little um sound bike should we say yeah just a little shallow 17 degree angle of attack yeah yeah unbel right by by the way the uh during that Landing two of the three apus were on fire god issue there the auxiliary power units apparently there was a hydren leak caught fire and uh thankfully it landed safely but it and burnt itself out but it destroyed the Apu compartment pretty badly because you do normally see um especially on night Landings you do see what looks like Dragon Fire coming out the back which is the Apu Vents and that's normal that's fine uh the I I'll find the example on future short Sundays but there's a few videos where it really is belching fire out there and that does look terrible but to the uninitiated at least but it is just the Apu venting um and you see it more on night light Landings yeah this one it uh actually did really Catch Fire and almost didn't make it back either because of an issue with the onboard computers so they were doing um one of their RCS thrusts prior to re-entry and uh turns out one of the main computers just completely crashed followed a few minutes later by one of the second computers of three also crashing thankfully they rebooted both of them but basically John Young had said later that had they activated the backup flight software uh they probably would have lost the vehicle apparently chat is now saying you you need more commands uh as well as soya pun uh and saw Flex we need soya fact so so I will make that happen so's got a fact you may not know about um will be the command option there when we bring it so I'll find it somehow but yeah let's take a few questions before we end because we've gone over time but we're always going to go over time talking about sh apocalypse cow first of all gifted five team memberships danger moo thank you as always you do on every stream you don't have to but it's appreciated and I make sure it's read out because that really cool I'm going to go through speedrun some questions because there's not many people in these live streams cuz it's not like a Starship stream where there's like thousands and thousands in that's fine by me but that's why we don't we don't do it for the numbers we do it because we want to do it and we think it's valuable um but that means we can answer nearly everybody's question here so I'm going to go through them uh wesy I thir asks why did a hold at tus 9 minutes so we're talking about a three-day countdown for space sh program they had whole points the big one was T minus 9 minutes where the held and then came out the count it was game time wasn't it so yeah uh after that it was essentially getting into you know the the final part of the countdown so this was their last chance to check everything make sure they were good to go before they really got into the nitty-gritty of it that's where you would hear the famous go no go poles would be the 9 Minute halt absolutely uh V2 mck you've got like initials and numbers so I'm just going to make make it a name for you on your behalf um that's a that's a h radio call sign actually and uh which is appropriate given that o and garot became the first person to use ham radio in space on this Mission there we go yeah so said from a fellow ham radio operator himself myself RX yeah we still need to command solex I'm going to make so soax sorry SOA that's it there we go I'll make that command happen afterwards um the question is uh some of a orbiters had the mid deck airlock and others had external one I think um I believe that the later adaptations for the upper ones were for dockings to uh Mir and ISS whereas the other one was mainly the way for them to go either into the payload itself uh during Hubble repair they used the horizontal one as well just like they do for uh space lab and space Hab missions that's the thing I was going to bring up there as well is that you need an nlock for this even it wasn't an Eva on that mission because for example if the car go by doors had not closed the play door play do had not closed before re-entry you had to get them closed so you probably need an emergency Eva to get a uh some space walk out there to physically close the doors which would have been doable because they're not all that heavy in space as you can imagine because it's micro gravity so that's how they can do it so that would be an example of an airlock as well on the Orbiter from the mid deck area where they could they could agress the vehicle to do that work um M Smith asks they had the space why wasn't space like larger so this is a good we got it on the screen right now this is the title screen but you can see there they had the space at the back did he ever consider a space lab XL soya I I mean that's kind of where they went to the improved space Habs later in the future but the main thing is mass I mean you even heard John Young talking about it when they were Landing they were surprised that they stopped as short as they did with uh such a heavy payload so it it's not so much the area that you have the issue with but the B of everything so very good and then also keeping the center of gravity and all that nice and helpful for landing and things like that just in terms of orbital uh basically vehicle handling it they kind of optimized it for that and they still got a lot done in that little space yep CG and obviously as was mentioned on that video they're talking about the amount of tonage They're bringing back down for landing there is limits to that so they couldn't really go full belt with What They're bringing back down for The Landing part of the Mission so that was important as well but it certainly was very capable an extra amount of capability brought to the Space Shuttle overall mission objectives because there's more as you'll see in future Sundays there's a lot more missions of varying types coming up not least the interplanetary interplanetary ones yes literally interplanetary ones uh missions where they were launching these proper space probs from the back of a special which was really cool um gioh Hound asks can we have Skylab Sunday as well as well please so Skylab is the one launched on Sat fives the the um po Apollo missions I've done various Saturn Saturdays with photographs of the modified vehicle especially with um the 1B with the crew on the other oldage pad on its milk stool um I don't know if we've got enough we might have enough to do at least one let's let's pull that on a back burner as a good suggestion and see if we got enough resources to show on on a stream like this because for sure we've got resources coming out of our year vrl 2 and what have you so that was never going to be a problem for the space shuttle program but for the older missions like Apollo and Satan and what have you that becomes more just raking from public resources more than anything else we have got L2 resources on those missions but probably not enough for a sure oh leave it with me let me think by I have a lot more research to do shuttle's little more off the top of the head yeah literally will be a lot more research because this is going back way I'm a child of sh myself and I'm sure you are sorry as well it's going back before our time now which is why it's exciting with Starship because this is like the big Rockets now SLS and and Starship the big Rockets we never got to see live and in because it before our time now we're going to see the big rockets and we have seen the big Rockets it's launched three times uh bford I so enjoyed this today thank you bford you're one of our regulars as well it's just nice you to mention that St thought I'd read it out Astro J who was looking forward to it to the point that I was been asked several times if we were still doing it yes we are doing it cuz we've just done it thank you for that I don't think anyone will complain if we have overtime for s s99 that was before I was mentioning we might go over time we have gone over time but I'm glad people are happy we have as well the audience has stayed with us by the way I was waiting for the numbers to go down the audence to stay with us so thank you for enjoying that um Pauline Brooke asks when did they start using parachutes to help with the breaking on Landing so that was a drag shoot on the back of the r speed break when did that come into um effect saw that was 1990 was when they first started using that to help slow it down uh it was meant to basically help EAS load on the brakes cuz those things got very hot and uh was also meant to then be able to use shorter runways if needed like John was talking about there again in the video if they needed to do an abort somewhere down the line on a shorter Runway they technically could so that goes back to 1990 and also uh shout out to a someone else who used to work here at NSF that gave me a piece of the uh reefing line from one of the drug shoots for STS 130 so yes I do have a piece of the if anyone ever wonder what that random rope was that was in my background that's a piece of the uh line from one of the shuttle uh drag shoots basically right next time so you're on on a like a flame Chen or something like that and you got your background in on The View we're going to point that out because that's really cool cuz your background is very very impressive I must admit I do by myself having a little perk around your room which probably a bit rude but there we go no it's fine yeah that sounded wrong when it came out for some reason I don't know why anyway uh Bob Filmore by the way thank you for this you you just said thanks for this shuttle series lots of memories well appreciate that and your support that is really nice for you to say that because we do do it for fun it is something I always wanted to do it wasn't because we might think we get some big numbers for anything like that never anything that in fact a lot of our streams are done because we think it'll be good for our audience not because well that one will do big numbers that one will do big super chats we never thought that way it's not the way to think for a start because that would send you down the wrong path you could easily get shoved into a Direction you don't want to go and we don't want to do that so that's why we do these and it's really cool I'm glad you enjoy it if if one person enjoyed it that's worthwhile many people have enjoyed it so that's really cool so on that bombshell I think we should come to the end of this series we've got the next shuttle Sunday to come we've got so many missions to cover there's going to be multiple multiple short of Sundays to come trust me we''re not even got we've not even scratched the surface shall we say but I just want to personally thank saw for being on this thank you soya you're welcome this is the last of the normal numbered missions for quite a while too so I hope you enjoyed the numbers making sense because they're not going to for a little bit after this yes it Go Bonkers after this now unfortunately they they completely changed the mission numbers it's not STS 10 next but way so it's like we're going to go through to like 41 C's and things like that soon so look forward to that because it'll get confusing we might actually put a little brackets of what mission it was like the 12th Mission and things like that as we go forward just so people keep a a good thing for the series because the series will be in order then and then everyone know where they're looking anyway enough of me rambling thanks also to Jay in the background for for making sure everything's running smoothly as it did the audio and the video came through everything came through out so that was really cool thank you for doing that Jay um and right we're going to send you off to watch reviews of a chopstick for the mechazilla system for Tower 2 at Star base how's that for a transition it really is we're going from the 9 1980s and space sh back to space Co live live which is showing the two Chopstick arms for the mechazilla system on a second tower at Star base for the Starship program in South Texas that's weird in any way you say in it but that's what's happening and that's where we're in the new era so until next time we speak to you uh thanks for joining in on this one and goodbye for now bye-bye

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Published: Mon Jun 03 2024