Sharon Osbourne on her "The Talk" Exit and Marriage, Adam Curry on Cancel Culture and Dave Chappelle

welcome to the megan kelly show your home for open honest and provocative conversations [Music] hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megyn kelly show coming up just a bit later we're going to have a legend in the podcast world adam curry but we begin today with sharon osbourne the one and only this is her first long form interview since leaving the cbs show the talk after her co-hosts and women she thought were her friends insinuated on air that she was a racist based on absolutely nothing of course behind closed doors they were saying something much different to her and there is actually a tape to prove it we're going to get into that but first it all started when sharon tweeted in defense of piers morgan who was under fire for questioning meghan markle's claim to oprah during that megan and harry prime time tell-all you remember meghan markle claimed that she felt suicidal and no one in the royal family would help her she said that the royal family quote had concerns over their son's skin color when she was still pregnant with little archie and pierce said he did not believe a word of it the next day he was asked by his boss to apologize and he refused on free speech grounds saying he wasn't sorry and by the way his uh alleged controversial comments were later supported by the authorities in england who said he he didn't cross any lines for broadcasters over there peers quit rather than apologize well sharon and peers went way back they were friends they'd co-hosted a show before and she tweeted appears quote i'm with you i stand by you people forget that you're paid for your opinion and that you're just speaking your truth by the next morning it was sharon osborne who was facing the firing squad on her very own show here's a sampling of what happened and everybody has a right to say what they feel with freedom of speech did i like everything he said did i agree with what he said no if he says um uh i don't see it as being racist or what she's going i don't believe what she's going through or it's it's that white entitlement privilege that makes it racist upon itself so in if you're saying i stand with you how do you address people who say then you are standing with racism not saying that you are people feel that he's racist people have receipts i wish we had them today so that we could actually go deeper into this conversation so people could see why people feel that he's racist when we kind of give passes or give space to people who are who are being who are saying damaging harmful things what we're kind of doing is permissing it and i think that's what people are reacting to and i don't i think people believe that you're not racist i don't think you're racist just to say that super plainly i don't think you're racist but i think if peop people know you're not racist they would want you to stand up to your friend i stick out for my friends if if i was ever needed him he would be there for me and that's it i am i i feel even like uh i'm about to be put in the electric chair i will ask you again cheryl i've been asking you during the break i am asking you again and don't try and cry because if anyone should be crying it should be me this is the situation you tell me where you have heard him say educate me tell me when you have heard him say racist things and educate me tell me it is not the exact words of racism it's the implication and the reaction to it did not clarify anything for you immediately afterwards sharon said she felt blindsided by the questioning the show went on a two-week hiatus an internal investigation was launched and a few days later cbs released a statement claiming sharon's behavior toward her co-host did not quote align with cbs's values sharon osborne was out after 11 seasons in the chair one of the original co-hosts but as we all know there's always much more to the story sharon osborne is my guest now sharon so happy to have you here and i apologize for beginning with what is probably traumatic to re-watch it's just annoying to sort of be brought back to these events i can speak to that firsthand but now with the benefit of some hindsight what do you think happened to you there what were they doing um i honestly think this is it's a very complex situation i think that cbs i mean you know you just look at their ratings um have not been great they got a coup by getting the oprah megan and harry interview and they put so much into it the whole world was watching it was kind of what they needed was the jewel in the crown and that's what it was for them at that time and you just look at it business-wise for them the network was failing and this was their big coup and to them it was like it's untouchable you cannot cannot um say anything against that interview because it was the jewel in their crown and because piers morgan was saying what he felt about it in a negative way and i was standing behind them i don't think they liked it at all because this was their coup this was bringing them back you know from basically they were you know they were number one for so many years and then it started to slide and this was bringing them back and they didn't like the fact that i didn't um go against peers and then two with a woman by the name of amy rosenbach is the show is in charge of the show and apparently she turned around to the producers and she said i'd like some gentle i'm trying to think of the word um i can't think of the exact words that she said because it was told to me by somebody else who was on that call but they wanted um some gentle disagreement and at the time i did have on my socials people complaining that um i shouldn't have supported peers and that made me look like a racist but um i don't think that anybody complained to the fcc i don't think that i was out of order um by dealing with it the way that i did because i was talking to a friend of 11 years i was talking to a woman that i've traveled with that i've worked with that i sat beside for 11 well it's actually she was there for 10 seasons so for 10 seasons i had sat next to this woman she was a family friend and then boom she puts me on the hot seat and talking about racism and she knows my history she knows me she knows i'm not a racist and cheryl you're talking about i'm talking about cheryl yeah your co-host who we saw going at you i'm sorry that's your co-host who we saw going at you pretty good in that sheryl underwood she was she underwood she's the she's she's she was the one sort of leading the charge against you and she was yeah she had been a long-term friend at that time cheryl um was very very much a part of the movement and so she should be so she should be for you know for rights for her people for people of color and she she was very um what should i say um she wanted more of these topics on the show she wanted the show to be more political than it was do you think you because you were accused by the l.a times of quote tone policing her the tone policed you know you're not allowed to say i have no idea but i think what they say is you shouldn't say educate me and you shouldn't say don't cry that is from um oh god what is the book called uh white for is it white forgiving fragility robin d'angelo that's what it's from and they just read that book and took those lines out of that book now everybody has their own opinion and some people agree with that book i have read that book in fact elaine gave it to me and i i agreed with some of it and a lot of it i didn't agree with and i'm sorry but i don't look at her as a woman of color i look at her as a friend that and a work colleague a family friend that has been in my house so many times that has been there for me and i've been there for her you must have been shocked i mean i didn't actually realize that you were that close so you must have been shocked when you sat down on the set that day after doing nothing other than sending out that tweet defending piers's right to have his own opinion and so you it's so when we see cheryl underwood coming after you and then elaine welteroff was the woman with the long ponytail we also saw coming after you on the set and nobody there defending you it wasn't just business it was personal it was personal and um oh lord i mean i just feel whatever i say is gonna get twisted and somebody's gonna hate it but you know what i can only talk the way i the way i feel right now about the situation that happened to me okay first of all i'm gonna take you back at 7 30 that morning march 10th cheryl underwood sent me an emoji of um you know love you it was the one where you know there's the little face with the kiss coming out of the side of the mouth now i'm looking at it going why did she send me this emoji at 7 30 whatever it was in the morning and i i didn't get it but anyway i didn't say anything i get to this i i get to the studio i'm always late so i get to the studio at a quarter to 10 we go live at 11. um and i saw my the show one of the show runners heather gray i bumped into her as i was going into the dressing room and she said um there's been a lot of you know backlash on your social again do you want to try and clear it up we'll start the show with it a couple of minutes just say what you feel and i'm like sure i don't care i'll do it eight minutes before we're going on air i get a call from her because remember we we're not seeing each other everything's on zoom and on phone with prepping for the show so i get a call from her and she says how do you feel about a couple of the ladies that disagree with you that maybe want to ask you questions about peers and i'm like oh okay all right i'm a team player okay fine if that's what you want fine but my producer had we all had a producer that would prep us for the show everyone had their own personal producer so my producer and i had gone through the show we were meant to talk about selena gomez we were meant to talk about would you believe pepe le pew being a race um a rapist and how dumbo and another disney movie was going to be re-edited because it was racist at the beginning of the show that's what was being promoted at the show right not sharon responds to the social media backlash and the ladies give it to her yeah so you walked into an ambush that was totally ambush the first part of the show is is like 10 minutes the whole 10 minutes was on me and about racist and cheryl saying i don't think you're racist i don't think you are which is a huge difference from i know you're not meanwhile let's just keep reminding people your alleged sin was just that tweet saying i support peers and his right to say to give his opinion that's why they hired exactly this is insane already this has gone so far off the rails and when and you looked at them and said repeatedly i realized educate me that we've heard that all through the black lives matter movement it's not my job to educate you but you should know everything but you weren't saying educate me on racism educate you were saying what specifically has he said he said that you think it's you're saying give me the evidence against him right and by implication me for supporting him and they couldn't do it i watched the whole thing repeatedly it was painful there they couldn't do it sharon they didn't have it no they didn't have anything on him nothing and in fact elaine um asked them for evidence and they didn't have it and she said to heather gray just before she went on you heard it on the tape and she said there's no evidence we can't find anything and so elaine was not happy with the situation okay but here's what's crazy so elaine nonetheless went on the show and did attack you she was one of the ones piling on she's the one with a long ponytail again for people who don't watch the talk which frankly is everyone um now that you're gone especially okay so but elaine was caught on tape after after she piled on you on tape admitting her heart wasn't in it it was basically all for show here is part of that elaine welterweight you know sharon cheryl loves you and respects you so much and had your back behind the scenes she was not trying to attack you and i but i also understand when you've had a night long of trolls attacking you online that puts you in a position where you're just like you have to defend yourself you feel like you have to defend yourself and i know you're upset i know it was terrible but i just hope that once this blows over once we that you know cheryl is your friend she really is a friend she doesn't think you're right i don't think you're racist no one i know you are not racist instead of i don't think you are no i know you're not there's a huge difference here's the thing i just want you to just know cheryl and i are held to a different standard by black people and people of color out there who expect us to say something about every racist anything similar and it puts us in such a up position that even if we don't have the information if we don't even really care if we don't really want to engage it feels like a spotlight is on us you know and and so it's like i think that cheryl was trying to navigate that line you know what i mean where she was like this is my friend i know you're not racist and i hear you though she did i i will take that to heart you are right like you wanted to hear you are not a racist sharon yeah we know that unbelievable so do you think they were faking it on the show no i don't and right after that um she was in my dressing room she went to hr and complained about me so talk about hypocritical hurts her makeup artist and her hairdresser all went to hr and complained well what so which was the truth the complaint that you're allegedly a racist and she can't work in this environment or what she said to you which is i know you're not a racist and cheryl knows it too and there's just enormous pressure on us as black women to say what people want to hear us say i i think it was um her wanting to um she complained she complained a lot she did go to hr a lot elaine um she's just one of those people you know it's that's who she is she wants she feels she wants her rights and she'll fight for it which i kind of admired at the beginning i don't know her well you've got to remember i only worked with her for from january to march so i really don't know her well but um just a hypocrite says one thing to me she also asked me at the same time um business advice all in the same way she's talking to you in that dressing room she seems sincere you know to me i feel like the fake version must have been on the air because she says she's under pressure to do it and when she speaks to you she didn't sound like she was lying so i don't i don't know what's in her head but that doesn't reflect anything i don't know i know that she's you know a bright young woman very very ambitious i admire that within her but she doesn't care about me she doesn't think she did anything wrong but she's a hypocrite because she sat and said one thing to me and then went right to hr and by the way it was the show wasn't off the air for two weeks it was off for over a month where they all had sensitivity training everyone i mean you tell me because cheryl has come out and said um trying to find the exact quote but she said that that that exchange in that exchange you traumatized her that you traumatized her the way you she said that she suffered from um ptsd do you believe that absolutely not you're talking about a woman that has served in the military you're talking about a woman that started off as an erotic dancer then she joined the military then she did stand up and she worked her way up from every little comedy club in america and worked her way up to to what she is today and i think any woman that has that sort of background would not be traumatized by a woman saying to her you shouldn't be crying it's me that should be crying and i don't think that traumatized her she's changed her tune then she said it was the lord was in her and her lord was telling her to do this so she you know and she also lied about i didn't apologize which i did so it's all very confusing meanwhile cbs stuck the knife in and twisted it and left you hanging out there to dry for all that time nobody came out to defend you on or off the you know without attribution in the papers it was brutal been there and i wonder whether you think you know cbs would like us to believe that they are moral that they are woke that they don't tolerate bigotry that they are on the side of the angels oh give me free oh my god megan you know you know tv you know how it works you know you have no friends these people that run these networks especially one that was failing they are desperate to keep their jobs they are desperate in these times we live in to be perceived as more than woke you know they want to be seen as mother teresa and jesus christ and they and but they're all hypocrites they're liars and they're hypocrites and they'll do whatever they have to do to keep their job is there one person at cbs that you think was behind this whole thing against you yeah amy rosenbach rising back her name is and uh the two show runners heather gray and kristen matthews who i'd worked with foreign i'd worked with the show runners for 11 years they were friends of mine especially kristen matthews and i told them that they destroyed me i told them i will never be able to get over this it's like once you have that seed put on you that you are a racist it never goes away um sadly i told them they destroyed me they and when i said that they left me out there to drive for the first part of the show for 10 minutes there was a break in the break there was no executive on the floor cheryl refused to look at me look she would not look at me she would not talk to me and i kept saying to her why are you doing this why why why do this to me and she wouldn't talk to me and i did swear at her i did yeah well of course you were upset of course and the thing was it's like she she's been at my side or for 10 years and it's like if you can't swear at a friend yeah i swore at her i wonder though like what do you think the motivation was right they were upset about the prince hair they didn't want prince harry and meghan markle's interview with oprah to be criticized but these specific women who came for you i mean you know i the people who have come for me in my past i know why they did it i i can't always reveal it publicly but i know 100 i know so what was it um i think that the show runners were doing what amy had told them to do weak weak women that didn't have a backbone to turn around and say this is suicidal we can't do this and to let it go after the break so it was 20 minutes on national tv of bashing me 20 minutes it was it was interminable what about pepe le pew what about bloody you know dumbo no all of that they just hit me it was it was they just you know it blindsided me but the thing was it was you know cheryl i think thought she was gayle king she was she was hitting me up not as not as a co-host and a friend she thought she was a journalist and then you've got elaine who i don't know because i don't know her that well agreeing and you know it was just a nightmare but um yeah it was this woman amy who i who i've met in my life maybe three times wow for the record piers morgan uh he called her out for being uh dishonest meghan markle in that interview it's now been proven that she was dishonest on several points she lied on several points in that interview that's come out he has every right as a journalist as a newsman as a news commentator to say i questioned her credibility he had very good reason to do so irrespective of skin color it's it's ridiculous to have to reduce everything to skin color i don't think pierce said anything racist you didn't say anything racist and what happened to you was disgusting and not without significant trauma in its aftermath i want to move on from these ridiculous people because your life is so much richer and more interesting and layered than this one event and i want to do that after the break but i i before we pick up with the rest of sharon osborne when we come back i do want to just spend a minute on the effect this had on you that's where we'll pick it up right after this quick quick commercial break sharon i know what it's like to be at the center of all these national news articles and people piling on and seeming to enjoy your struggle and people calling you terrible names and you sort of have to bite down and just bear it but at some point cbs comes to you in the midst of this trauma and says what because their public statement was sharon has decided to leave the talk clearly they forced you out but what how did they how did they break that to you how did they explain it okay i when all of this happened i went to hr and said i want an investigation i want to know who decided to do this why i was left out to dry for 20 minutes i want to know why and so they did do the investigation but it was um as usual with corporations like this did they speak to my producer that was prepping me that morning no she was never interviewed did they speak to people who were in the booth directing the show no so they spoke to a few people did they speak to the cameraman did they speak to people on the floor what was going on during the break no so they selectively chose certain people to talk to and it came back that um i was very offensive the way i treated cheryl the way i the weight my behavior and so they said to me you are on permanent suspension with no pay and we don't know if we'll ever bring you back and i said well what does that mean who is going to decide if i come back or not and they wouldn't tell me and then hr said to me we feel that you're not repetitive enough where are you repenting what are you doing you you you have no um your behavior around this is not appropriate for this situation so i told them all what i felt about them all i told them about some dirt that had gone on at the company that i knew about and they were very afraid of me because i'm not afraid to say what i feel and they just wanted me gone because when i started talking about things that had gone on on the show before they got very very nervous and just wanted me gone which i can understand like what i i said to them oh i'm sorry megan what did you say well like what what had gone on what was it that was so scary to them um the way people were treated when leslie was at the show leslie moonvest um things that had gone down that i knew personally had gone on and is there anything you can share with us no i wish i could it will come out though it always does it always comes out right megan yeah well hopefully if there's a god in heaven and so things about okay cheryl cheryl was had three complaints about her from different producers and um about the way she treated them and so they called me and i said you cannot get rid of cheryl there is no way she can't take that you just can't do it so they sent her to anger management so it's all right to talk to treat producers that way but i can't say anything to a co-host well and also when the chips were down you had her back and yeah she certainly did not have yours no and of course when it came out that i was mouthing about cheryl being at anger management because of the way she treated the staff of course they were all like panic panic panic and listen none of us are perfect we all make mistakes everybody does nobody's perfect and i'm not saying that cheryl was a terrible person because she treated producers the way she did hey that's her problem not mine but when you bring up the truths they don't like it well right and also then to then portray her as this delicate flower who could be traumatized by you out there saying explain it to me right what you were just asking for was what what are the facts that he he and by implication i am being accused of that's it just educate me tell me what what's your evidence yeah what what has this man said in the past when piers was um investigated by ofcom which is the equivalent of the fcc in england because megan went to the head of the network itv and um complained about peers meghan markle so then um they brought in ofcom to do an investigation the investigation went through every article he had ever written every tv appearance he had ever done and you're talking about a man with a massive massive body of work behind him within all his writings and books and everything they found nothing piers's problem is not that he is racist piers's problem is that he will attack anyone who he thinks is a bullshitter irrespective of race and sadly that is too rare in today's day and age well it's not woke is it not at all and and you're not and i'm not and we've all gotten in trouble for it i'm not i am not and you know what people who are god bless you have a great life and if that's the way you feel fine but don't try and put it on me i'm too old i treat people with respect i treat people with respect i come in on a good side and then if you don't give respect to me then i'll cut your balls off but the thing is i give people the benefit of the doubt that's right well that's right i i want to ask you about that later because getting on your bad side could wind up with a tiffany box in your in your inbox with some very unfortunate contents but let before we get to that let me just ask you so they they come and you're like i'm not going to live like that so forget it so it's over but i i sorry for interrupting megan but i said i said to hr look let's end it i want out i am not going on suspension i'm not waiting in never never land um i am i want out but let me come back let me sort this out we need a proper mediator here let's sort this out and then i'll go and i thought that it could have been somewhat groundbreaking it would have been something very interesting for everybody to listen off air on air on air okay and they didn't want to do it you must be joking you must be nothing just get out gone you have no rights here nothing nothing wow um okay so you you leave and you're tough anybody doubting that go read sharon's autobiography extreme 2005. still i think number one um best selling biggest selling autobiography since british records began it's and it's an amazing book so you're tough you have been through a lot in your life but cancel culture is vicious and it's incredibly painful and it involves not only public humiliation but the breakdown of tons of relationships that are very close to you and around you that you didn't expect to lose in a moment's notice and i would like to ask you how bad it got for you personally oh i don't want to seem a victim megan but it was it was pretty damn tough you know you've got all the crazies coming out saying um we're gonna cut your throat in the night we're gonna kill your whole family we're gonna even kill your dogs i mean the whole nine yards um of constant constant abuse and then you get people like the la times you know woke woke woke and then you get people like don lemon who i have adored i i absolutely adore don lemon going on saying it was right that they got rid of me well he doesn't know me he doesn't know the situation but it's oh yeah she must be off with a head off he did the same thing to me sharon he did the same thing to me we were friends i had written something about him nice in a in a paper in a magazine because he asked me to we were collegial and liked one another and as soon as i got in trouble at nbc he stuck the knife in just as fast as he possibly could and turned it i was stunned stunned me too because i'm thinking this man is a journalist do a little bit of research do i i mean it's it's stunning and then there was that guy that's got a really big podcast what's his name joe rogan i've never met him in my life sorry he came after you yeah because he he knew he knew cheryl because she was a stand-up and i suppose they'd work together and he said how funny she is and cheryl's funny i mean she can be when cheryl turns it on she's the best but he didn't know me he didn't know the circumstances people are so quick to tear you down tear you down i'm amazed joe rogan came for you the number of people who have come for him and he's had to with you know withstand withering criticism including accusations of racism you know he's there he's on tape using the n-word many times and some other controversial things i won't relive that i'm sure he'd appreciate me not going down the list um you know because people are mean and insane and they'll use anything you've ever said against you whatever i'll let him defend himself but for him to come for you i'm shocked but it's um it's people love to tear other people down and and the thing that got me was how i work with women i love women i always protect women but yet they tore me down yeah like like you're not human like you have no emotions and it really did have a lasting effect on sharon osborne for a long time i'm gonna pick it up with her in two minutes uh right there don't go away sharon i i had lara logan on the show a couple months ago we had a great talk and one of the things i confessed to her was um i seriously considered and my therapist offered antidepressants to me after my exit from nbc i mean it was it was extremely traumatic and you know you see your career you've worked so hard for just completely implode and you just you can't quite understand what happened um and i wouldn't do it and there's it's nothing against anti-depressants as my mom always says better living through medicine but i i just couldn't do it in response to them i wasn't going to let andy lack drive me to anticipate i just couldn't i couldn't oh my god i worked with for a while you did i did because he used to run he ran see um sony sony music for a while oh that's right and was he awoke and gentle evolved leader get out of here give me a break okay i'm not allowed to say anything more you can see it in my eyes it's um how our lives have gone like this unbelievable i know okay but here's what i wanted to ask you because one thing my my therapist did not mention to me was ketamine treatments and i know people who have done those and but when i read that you had done those after your exit from the talk i'm like see this is what people don't get about cancel culture it's awful and they they just look at you and i know you're rich and you're powerful and you've got a famous husband and but you're human you're human ah i okay first of all cbs knew that i am a depressant a manic depressant they know that they know that i've been on medication for a hundred years they they know that i tried to commit suicide they know that i went into an institution they know all of this all of it so um they didn't care they didn't think about my mental state they didn't think about that i didn't fit within their what was it their whatever their yeah you know it's like they didn't think or maybe that you know we've got to go gently here look at her you know look up her history here mental her mental state they don't care and the thing is because i come off bossy and i say what i feel because i feel at my age and all my life experiences i can you've earned it yeah exactly you've earned you earned the right you earned the right when you and it's it's like they didn't they didn't give a about me they they were scared of my mouth things that i knew that i was gonna i would eventually talk about did any of the women call you after yes yes yes my god carriana naba is an incredible human being she's incredible she's a great woman she has been at my side you know she never went back she went back for one day yeah i was going to say she's no longer with them any of the others our mind amanda cloots yeah she's a sweet guy oh my god just you know she's like a ray of sunshine when she comes into a room a ray of sunshine just and you know what the crew uh it's always the crews are always great it's the it's the talent and the executives that are horrible oh my god the crew stood up for me the crew when they were doing all of this training that they had to do the sensitivity training they all stood up for me they said that this was wrong of course and for them to do that right it's like they're the least powerful guys in the building so for them to do that takes balls and they they have them um all right let's let's move on from that unpleasantness because fcbs you know you've got bigger bigger and better things ahead of you i just didn't want to skip past how awful this stuff is because i know it's like ah hahaha sharon osbourne went down her life is better than mine so i don't care well what happens to sharon or to me or to anybody is happening to joe schmoe every day in this country and so while we may be public examples of it you have to understand there are people with a lot less riches around them that this happens to and it's freaking devastating and it's not something to be celebrated we got to be kinder and find more grace and understand that people are human and do misstep though you did not that's what's crazy i continue to struggle to see what you did that was worthy of this kind of backlash all right let's move on because you are way more interesting than all this you're 69 years old now you've been married almost 40 years to ozzy osbourne the prince of darkness but as i studied up on you and ozzy in preparation for this i realized he's not really he's actually quite a charmer he's sweet he's a little goofy what would you say describe ozzy osbourne in three words oh oh it's so hard megan because he's so multi-layered he's like a bloody onion you go through one layer and then there's another he's he's soft he's sensitive and loving wow but barking mad so now i read this on your 39th anniversary you posted it on insta thank you for 39 years for the most incredible life together the crazy wonderful and insane times yes pain and sorrow too but we got through it we work so hard for years professionally and personally we succeed together you are my soul my life what a fantastic life we've lived so far the best thing is there's more to come every day is an adventure every day i love you more and respect you more my soul mate my love my friend here's to our next adventure love you always sharon wow wow i know you've said that if you hadn't met ozzy and fallen in love and married him that you feel you would have died in early death why because i was always a depressant i was always i was untreated i was a a terrible depressant i would always be um thinking that really what's it what's it all about if you don't have that one person in your life to love and feel is your soul mate you know it can be pretty damn tough and i didn't date much i it just wasn't for me i worked that's all i did your whole life i mean you did not have it easy growing up in terms of your parents which i i definitely want to get into with you but you met him when you were 18. he was married to somebody else is that why it took you 12 years to find each other sort of get married and you know fall in love yeah it's just the way you know life life was he was married he um you know was this wild wonderful young man and uh so charismatic and funny so funny and our paths kept crossing and crossing and you know one thing led to another when we started to work together and it was um he saved my life as much as i saved kids you were his manager have been his manager his virtually his entire career um we'll squeeze in a break but i have one minute until we have to take it some of our guests some of our listeners say why do you have a heartbreak because that's serious we have heartbreak so in just a few seconds or less who was more responsible for his music success him or you him okay what's the percentage would you say um you know without somebody that's talented and creates wonderful music what is a manager gonna do it's easy when when they create great music and it's so charismatic and talented it's easy you're being self-deprecating because i know it's not easy i've read your i read your book um listen there's so much more to go over with sharon we're gonna pick it up right after this break uh with life as an osborne and that's worth sticking around for [Music] welcome back to the megan kelly show with me today sharon osbourne who has hosted shows like the x factor america's got talent her own talk show the osborne's hugely successful i did not realize that that mtv reality show which started it all before there were the kardashians there were the highest ratings ever for mtv in the usa and in britain not to mention the talk for 11 years and so on and so forth oh i forgot to mention celebrity apprentice which would become relevant later okay so you've done a lot but going back before all of that your childhood in england was very colorful with very colorful characters your dad don arden which is a name he made up um he was a music promoter manager he used you to hide money act as a shield to some shady activity and to help with his business um and your mom was not exactly stellar you how did it happen that your you i guess when your mom died you found out and you said what a shame and hung up the phone like how does the relationship with your mom get to that point oh um it it just you know my mom adored my brother and they had a very special bond and having a son now i understand that bond i totally understand it i was more um like my father and my brother was very much like my mum my mom was a dancer she was in variety the same as my father was she was she had been married she her husband left her with two children she had a very and i never knew hardly any of this until recently because i did a show um and it goes in what's the name of the show megan that goes into your heritage who do you think you are oh i don't know it's called something else here but they go back to your family history and they tell you all about you know oh yeah your family from you know 100 years ago and they track everything in your family well they tracked my mum and when i heard about the things that my mom had gone through as a child i understand so much now and i regret things i'd said the way our relationship ended up because when you're young i you never think about well i wonder what my mom's life was like before she met my dad and this that and the other you just you know if you have an argument it's like oh how dare you with this that the other and you you don't sit down and think about maybe why did she say this why did she do this these are things you learn when you get older and that's one of the gifts of getting older about understanding people yeah and i'm being told it's called uh find your roots is the name of the show right and so i did the english equivalent and so they couldn't they were going to do it on my father but my father being a russian a russian jew and during the war there were so many papers destroyed they couldn't do his background so my mother was an irish catholic and so they found everything on my mother and so we did my mom and i learned so much of pain that she had gone through pain suffering rejection and you know it changed the view on my mum but at the time she died i hadn't seen her for years she'd never seen my children and we had no relationship at all but my mom came from the generation of i stick by my husband not my children and even though my my father was um had always cheated on my mom and had a mistress for many many years in los angeles my mom lived in england and she knew this she's still stuck by him and if he had an argument with me she had an argument with me she would take it on she wouldn't say well that's with your dad it's got nothing to do with me because that was her generation that's what women did and you coming up behind him in the family business i mean you you did spend a lot of time with him you did a lot of stuff i mean you were you were successful in your own right before you ever met ozzy you know you yes you managed his career but you were managing a lot in the music business prior to meeting him and i as i read your autobiography and some of ozzie's um i i wanted to talk about it because i saw a music business with drugs extramarital affairs absentee parenting that's what ozzy says about him himself dishonesty double crossing and i would first of all i thought it reminds me of media it sounds very familiar yeah i wonder so quickly which which one of those is a dirtier business media or a rock and roll oh media oh terrible why am i not surprised um but i wonder how you think because i feel like the metoo movement and sort of this pc woke stuff maybe rock and roll music is the one industry it hasn't really rained down upon but you tell me as somebody who's had a front row seat to it do you think how do you think the music business of like the 70s and the 80s compares to that of today in terms of debauchery and drugs and all the rest of it um it doesn't it was a whole different world the 60s the 70s the 80s and then the 90s people became more sophisticated there were more lawyers in the industry and um it kind of leveled out but before that it was like the wild wild west i mean people it was you know if you wanted a record plane you'd go get the radio station guy coke a prostitute a gift flying around the world and you'd get your record played wow and it's it was the everything was paola payola that's the way it was and being a woman you know or i've got i've got seats for the super bowl dude come on we're going to the super bowl and they take the head of whatever tv show they wanted their artists on or you know the head of a radio station and it was all paola it was all gifting and and people bands didn't have great lawyers everything was wrong but yet it was sexy it was exciting it was uh you know you look at the people that came up in the industry from those times those are the true legends those are the legends the people that have gone with the you know the little richards and and jerry lee lewis and sam cook these are the people the foundation of the music that you hear today yeah what do you know what do you what what do you think having been there you know been front row probably understates the experience you had in in in the music industry what was like what's the craziest thing you've seen backstage or at account at a concert oh my lord um so many terrible when you think about it now but at the time you laugh you oh you know you you forget it in a second you you just forget it in a second you know gone and you know some poor girl that's not well in the head is you know going to have sex with every crew member to get to somebody in the band and they're all of 16 years of age and they're following you across country and all things like that you know it's just um but they were great creative innovative times musically they nothing compares to the music that came then to what it is today um i know you've answered this a million times but could you just set the record straight on the bat and the two doves um the bat was true people's eyes yeah i mean it all true the rabies shots were true nightmare time he bit the head off of a dead bat that somebody threw on stage the first people said it was live but it wasn't it was dead and he thought it was rubber and he bit its head off and then he had rapey shots right and the doves it was a case of we were going aussie was going to meet the american record company for the first time um it was a favor that they signed him they didn't really want him but they they signed him it was a very cheap deal and it was a kind of meet and greet for aussie in the record company so they gathered everybody in the boardroom and we said what can we do that's gonna they'll remember so we said doves doves of peace beautiful so he took two doves had him in his pocket and he was you know very merry at the time it was the morning and and um he'd been drinking for several hours before he got there and he was in a very merry mood and he sat on the knee of the girl that was the head of publicity for um epic records and she was all hello hello and he went into the inside of his jacket pocket had the dove and just bit its head off and threw it down oh my god and of course it was like oh my god then he got the other dove and just let it go in the room but you have to remember that aussie and those days he used before he's you know he worked in a slaughterhouse for years hmm yes that's right i did read that that's right that was the only job he could get you know no education no nothing and that was the only job that he could get so for aussie to rip the head off a dove was nothing but would he do that today never in a million years he won't even kill a fly he is but that's life and that's how life changes you and you grow as a person and he has grown so much as a person he's still making music about to tour i wondered what you thought because i i read um i think it was in in your book i'm getting the two confused but when he was trying to find band mates for his solo act after he left black sabbath one of the comments was well you can't get like a bunch of 60 year olds you know you need somebody younger and i thought well so what happens to the to the rock star somebody like ozzy we've seen it with those rolling stones and others when you get older how how does an aging rock star handle getting older it's tough it's very very tough very very tough on them but um his audience have grown with him they've grown old with him but he's managed to always remain relevant so he gets a younger generation as each decade goes by so he has his old fans and new fans which is very few people can say well that's that's what the osborne's did for for you guys is it it brought him from sort of this you know whatever you want to call it heavy metal or dark music into sort of mainstream celebrity status everybody saw him and saw a different side of him saw him with in clips like uh you or somebody in the family was telling him to clean up after the dog who had pooped inside the house and he was like i'm a rock star i don't want to clean him up the dog and there's those little moments this just showed us who your family was and that's one of the reasons why it was so successful can i ask you about your kids because your your book opened up with a story about your three kids you have jack and kelly who we all know from the osborne's but there's also amy who decided not to be a part of the show but you you write about how oh my gosh they're not there anymore and as a mother of three children this got me you said what i realized is they don't need me anymore you say they lie and say they do but i know they don't and then you say but i need them oh took my breath away sharon so how years later because that was back in 2005 how years later has that settled like how how is that now um it's it's really weird because i always refer to them as the kids you know my son is a dad he's got three amazingly wonderful little girls um everybody is you know that they're adults they're not kids but they'll always be my kids they will always always be my kids and um you know i think i put in that book too about how because of the work that i was in you know i spent a lot of time away and how that's one of my biggest regrets and i always you know people who are pregnant i always say try and take as much time as possible when they're young because it goes too quick too quick and then they're adults and then they don't need you and then they have their own lives and you know it's but i i think you know i wish that i could have had just probably one week again with my mother and father to make amends to try and put things right which i never put right when they were alive and i never want to be in that position with my kids i always want to be the best that i can be for them so now what so sharon osbourne now 69 you've accomplished so much in your life you know i've ticked off just a few of the many successes um i for one am glad you're off of the talk which i i didn't think was the smartest show and you are a smart woman um so what like now what right you can't you're not gonna go back into daytime talk right that's yeah that's not happening that's not no place for somebody who's not woke so now or wants to play the game it's for people that want to play the game and i don't want to play the game um it's i'm have been trying to do a movie on aussie for years and finally we've done it we've signed to sony pictures and um it is being written by now by a great british writer um lee hall and it's going to be about the early years of our relationship good stuff that is well worth watching and listening and uh reading about so i can't recommend uh all i mean like getting to know the osborne whether it's through the show or the books or whatever your is listening to aussies music is is so worth your time they are so much more complex and rich and interesting than you even know and sharon i just want to say again you didn't deserve what happened to you it's not the sum of your career it's just a blip it's a ridiculous nonsense consequence of this crazy canceled culture that we're living in i think people see who you are and i'm so so glad to meet you and i want to say to you too i thank you for supporting me oh of course oh of course i hope we get to meet in person i'm going to give you a hug oh i'm feeling it i'm feeling hugged sending you so much love too i hope we talk again very soon oh what a doll to you too oh my god that was all i hoped it would be and more if only the show were four hours um you want to hear something sweet like she couldn't stay for past the top of the hour we had known that in advance and um i just begged her to stay one extra block because i just had to i had to learn more about her and our guest adam curry's been such a gentleman waiting um he's next and he's fascinating he's co-host of the no agenda podcast and one of the very first ever podcasters might be the first um so he's going to join us next on the state of the industry and some other interesting stuff stay tuned what did you think of the sharon osbourne interview and what happened to her at cbs [Music] welcome back everyone well adam curry was one of the most recognizable faces on mtv in the 80s and 90s until he shifted gears in the early 2000s as one of the earliest adopters of the podcast medium that is why they call him the podfather i love that he was ahead of the game then and he continues to be on where our media is headed on bitcoin and things like that and more he's a truly independent thinker and political independent he's talked to anyone and everyone of cultural importance over the past several decades and he is my guest now adam thank you so much for being here it's a pleasure to be here megan it was really nice to be able to hear sharon for uh for good hour there i haven't seen her in over 30 years when we uh went to moscow together oh my gosh she's so fascinating we didn't even scratch the surface you know it's like the the rock and roll years i've got so much more to do on that and also you know knowing sharon from then 1988 for the moscow music peace festival and seeing her now she looks better now than she did 30 years ago and i don't know maybe it's that it's that genusell stuff you're putting on her money she admits you know she unlike the kardashian she admits what she's had done i have to say i appreciate that about her you know you don't want like the little girls at home thinking i hate the fact that they're led to believe by anybody that those kardashian boobs and bottoms are real hello they're not um okay so let me get there's so many there's also something else interesting if you if you don't mind no no not at all there's a little bit i think there's more to what's happened what happened with her this vortex that she's in with um with cbs because i think in america certainly there's no end to how far um the political system or corporations will go to benefit from race gender sexuality political affiliation and she's caught in this vortex and i think oprah is not innocent in this i did a three-hour show about the interview with the uh with uh markle and uh with uh harry terry and um i believe that that was a direct attack on the british royal family uh you know the question that was obviously staged put in there like oh my gosh who was worried about the color of the child uh i think that was an attack to get blm black lives matter some stuff started in the uk and it did pay off and i think that this is a tale of it as sharon said that was their jewel and they didn't really get enough juice out of it the first time with the interview and i think this is just trying to follow on seems obvious to me that seems absolutely possible because i will say p i love when people are like oprah she got so much out of her i'm like are you people stupid do you understand oprah winfrey does not sit down for an interview without having a very top level producer sit down with the person she's going to be interviewing who gets all the news nuggets and then gives them to oprah and then oprah's job as an actress which she is is to make it look organic right these are two actresses putting on a show the whole thing was choreographed nothing there was organic absolutely not one thing and the rest of us are supposed to be like oh what a beautiful spontaneous no baloney baloney here's my brooklyn mofax and i we saw black queen attack white queen that's what we saw wait who oh i get it no i'm up to speed yes exactly right exactly right without the courage to actually press for real answers right she asked once like who and she didn't answer well then you got all those questions should have had follow-ups like well who was jealous of meghan markle when she came back from australia who specifically made a face who you know can you tell us the person who is the objective these things megan that's obvious can i tell you adam's i tweeted out something like this that night saying like why didn't oprah say well was it was it the queen can you rule out the queen can you rule out prince philip who's dying right now as the alleged racists something depressor and people said guess what they said to me you're a racist for criticizing oprah okay well yeah exactly but but that but you know we're in this in this world right now where you can get americans are very very nice in our hearts you know the worst thing you can do is call an america even though sharon's not american but i consider her american enough yeah racist that's like that that's so deep that's so traumatizing and the the the shameless profiting on these scenarios by mainly mainstream media and and the political establishment is is really beyond the pale at this point so and it's such an incredibly powerful lever you know the cancer culture it is literally using um advertisers abusing the fact that advertisers want to be brand safe and whether it's on social media or anywhere else to get you kicked off because of the money and that's that's all that it's about but it has a deeper underlying current i'm afraid and that's really to control everything and if you can control um are you familiar with esg uh uh environmental social governance this is a real big thing on wall street right now um so everyone is just like uh the activist corporations the social social activists you get points for being woke you get points for uh displaying black lives matter you get points for your greenness and you're uninviting oh yeah and you're uninvestable if you don't have these elements and you don't hit the score which is completely put together by blackrock themselves you know they got they got all their little ngos they put together so now it behooves everybody to speak woke to speak green because that's how the investments flow whether they believe it or not and i never look the business of america is business and uh i don't think they have any shame corporations probably shouldn't really uh they should be completely just going after the money but they are really on one hand hurting themselves to help this control because you can make anyone do every anything you want if you have those those three elements well this is i think you're right in the case of sharon osborne and i could name some other cases too in which race has been weaponized right it gets weaponized against a target we've seen the same in the metoo movement it's what happened to brett kavanaugh um and it totally undermines the legitimate claims but that brings me to something that's in the news today which is dave chappelle what's happening to him is very interesting right he does these massively successful series of shows for netflix like 20 million bucks a show he's getting i think and the sixth and i believe finals now coming out and he does a bit saying he's with jk rowling on the whole trans thing and you know or what what a woman is what a woman isn't and so on and now there's been some push back inside of netflix with with a trans activist and a couple of other people actually trying to storm some meeting of netflix executives and they probably got suspended and i said good for you netflix and netflix is refusing to pull it so so far netflix is showing a real spine um but it's become yet another cultural moment yeah you saw it i i presume uh i i watched it uh i couldn't wait for it to drop i watched it and every review i've read or yeah i think just about every single one i've read that was negative um usually somewhere three quarters the way through it uh the the reviewer will write well i had to turn it off at that point i just i couldn't stand it anymore i had to turn it off so i i don't think you can you know it's a gq magazine uh a gay black man uh rhoda literally wrote that you know it's like oh i just couldn't i had to turn it off and this and suck but i think that if anyone is capable of watching the entire special at near the end the whole that was truly to me the closer where he talks about and i haven't seen this spoken about anywhere in any of the reviews where he talks about a comedian a trans woman who became his friend and in a very odd and very public way and they were good friends for years um and what and he asserts that she killed herself due to the incredible outrage and pressure from trans women and allies you know that's not discussed in the reviews because that was his point he's like we all need to go easy on this let's all back off for a second and instead of focusing on typical you know we don't focus on the content of the character we focus on the color of your skin uh the what's between your legs and uh and how you describe them so it's that's all i'm seeing it's very very i think years we'll look back and we'll go look at this piece of crap that someone wrote didn't even watch the series did the special it was so crazy because dave chappelle like people pick whatever it is that they're going to either genuinely be outraged about or present faux outrage but the sticks and stone special was a piece of brilliance right and he touched on every third rail there was to touch he was saying that he doesn't believe the michael jackson accusers i could do a whole show on that by the way um because they're definitely holes in the stories of those two accusers uh right i'm not saying defending michael jackson as overall but i'm telling you there are major problems with the backstory he was asexual believe me well that's i mean well we can get into it because i actually went in all my spare time adam this is what i do with my spare time i went i pulled the court files on woody allen at one point i went i pulled the court files on michael jackson at one point and i will tell you that what that one guy the guy who was the choreographer he had so many problems in his history this guy was under he was filing a lawsuit against the jackson estate they said you ever write a book on michael jackson he said nope they said let's just call around a random house and everybody else make sure that's not true sure enough he had submitted something then he was told by the court if you have drafts of that including metadata on your computer computer turn it over he lied they got their hands on a computer they found all sorts of metadata he had tried to change it before he turned over i'm just saying lots of lies in that guy's history in dealing with court so you tell me whether he tell the truth to a documentary maker first it wasn't a documentary you should do a podcast about this you should do it i should i like to touch the third rails too what everybody neglects is michael jackson owned one of the largest music catalogs much to the chagrin of sony cbs columbia much to the chagrin of paul mccartney even it was part of his songs and michael jackson owned that and they tried to get it back in that way and i personally believe he was killed for it wow wow what what do you mean killed by conrad murray the actual method is is not is not that important but of course he was i mean conrad murray was actually convicted of you know of manslaughter i think wasn't that because he did kill him that's the doctor who kept giving him the the what's the drug propofol that knocks you out yeah but just anyway and i said this like of course msnbc called me as it was the last time i was ever on msnbc and i and they said well you know the day he died well i said well i i haven't has anyone questioned whether he was murdered and they hung up on me and that was the last i ever spoke of that publicly all right so my point back to chappelle he he said he doesn't believe the jackson accusers he said in that documentary he made fun not made fun but sort of made jokes about school shootings school shootings so he'll touch anything and that's what people love about him he touches the untouchable the things you could never laugh about he somehow helps you find a way that's what we love in our comedians and always have except now well except now right where he's got to be canceled and i have to say props to netflix right like they're one of the only companies who just gave the middle finger to the activist saying protest all you want it stands yeah and i don't think that they care one way or the other they care about money this is great for netflix i i'm not going to say oh oh boy oh they're so great now they've done a lot of not so great things there's many comedians who cannot get an especial on netflix because they're not dave chappelle they are good uh but they use certain words and that are not acceptable and that's predefined and so it's just have they been weak has netflix been one of the weak warriors of course of course yeah okay so i take back my props but i'm glad they stood by dave chappelle because i want to see the the specials i want it to be ongoing right it's like all right enough of that um let's talk about matthew mcconaughey and whether he has any real chance of running for or winning as governor of texas because he comes out now and says i'll do it if needed to me it's interesting because governor greg abbott should be a conservative's dream i mean he's done so much down there that they should love but they don't really seem to be totally in love with him um because greg abbott has an opinion and what um what texans want i've been here for 11 years texans just want some it's not a hard job you can be governor i can be governor you have some minor requirements matthew can be governor um just follow the constitution of the united states and follow the constitution of the state of texas that's all that it is and so when we uh and i'll say we when we have an issue at the border uh governor abbott should have followed this texas state constitution and i think arguably uh the u.s constitution and should be defending the border that's just one small thing there's many other things um the the lockdown was very traumatizing for texans for everybody of course but that would that was something very new and there are multiple cities and municipalities who are now claiming that they are a sanctuary city for business and never again will the federal government or the state of texas even shut down their businesses for any reason other than the decisions they make themselves so could matthew do what about mcconaughey came out and said he he was talking to kara swisher um who's you know she's definitely it yeah i heard it and on sway and he said listen i love i hate listening to uh to uh keri swisher i know i love her i have to say she's one of those people whose politics i don't share at all but i love the woman herself she's so spalzy she's just tough as nails and i like that um she asked him about mask mandates and he supports them i'm like well there goes your texas gubernatorial career um yeah i think so too what is happening in texas just my my view of it is the democrats are really really smart they've done some incredibly smart things here and i'm not i still haven't figured out exactly how but the uh the abortion uh law that went into effect this is far beyond what i think most texans would really care about they're like in general i think texas is like you know whatever uh personally um i have issues about you know the the age of an unborn child when you're going to abort that um but they somehow that this law got put into place and i think everybody says well you know come on man a heartbeat that could be just a few weeks and that's really you know you're pushing it here i think that's moderate moderates would agree with that um and they're going to use this this is the whole idea then bringing in uh matthew i that's that's part of their strategy do i think it'll work no absolutely not good try and i think he's a great actor i think he's a good guy and uh and again he could do it all he has to do is just follow follow the scripts you know follow the constitution anybody can do that and so far um governor abbott has not really shown that any and also during the um the snowmageddon that we had we were out without power for four or five days it was quite a shocker to be in texas and looking for a snow shovel and winding up with a trowel um and but he's not been honest about what really happened uh and i'm concerned about that you know this is this was more like enron uh in california turning power off than it was about our crappy grid or the windmills froze yeah all contributed to the problem but it was again purely about money and he knows it ercot is a scam a sham and uh he's appointing new people we'll see what happens but it's it's uh i i don't personally think he's that great no he's not that popular and now you know look i i'm up here i'm a yankee you know so i don't know but i just know what i read in the papers um although half my team half my team is in texas and they're backing you up on the things you're saying in my ear by the way now let's talk about elon musk he's moving from california he's doing sort of he's pulling a it's not exactly he's pulling a joe rogan right he's leaving california and going to austin where you are i think and taking tesla sort of nearby and taking tesla with him so what does this say and mean and do i don't think it's going to change gavin newsom's world view about your thoughts well first i was in austin for 11 years and tina my wife and i we left austin before the summer to re-enter the state of texas uh before that happened though i had actually i i am responsible for bringing joe to austin he was thinking about dallas said no man you totally belong here and i think he's a great asset to uh to austin austin is not weird enough for me anymore with uh it's not just uh tesla but we also have oracle we have google we have facebook and uh for me personally i'm 57 so um i i don't need to be sitting in joe's cafe uh having a a grilled cheese and hear a couple of guys talk about their specs behind me yes i'm done with that uh i'm not not interested and when it comes to elon who i also know we shared investors um uh back in the early days of podcasting and i was at the launch of the the first tesla um he's the kim kardashian of tech he's a really good pitchman um he's he's not he's not insincere but is he the uh you know is he the genius that is doing all this no no oh no his spacex is is an extension of space forces expansion of nasa these are big government contracts um i don't think that he's not that impressive to me seems like a nice guy um very quiet when i met him but um yeah he's a he's a bit of a barnum guy you know he's he pitches stuff and he shakes it up when he has to and he's very good at it and uh he has you know he has a momager just look at his mom who's been there his whole career yeah i'm just but that's that's kind of the the comparison i make and that's not bad i think kim kardashian's fine too you know i enjoyed her on snl i especially enjoyed her joke about her having 50 million people following her and only 10 million viewers which turned out to be only four million viewers yeah i think that was pretty funny she's more popular on social media they wish snl that they could get her social media following no kidding i interviewed all the kardashians obviously at this one and like they were all sitting there once adam like all of them and i just didn't even know where to look it was like beauty beauty beauty everybody kendall kendall the model she had a skirt on that was it looked more like a belt it was so tiny and i could see basically her ass and all i could think was why can't i have that and then i thought i like eating one of the most beautiful women in media and you're saying that mm-hmm no pass no pass thank you for saying that but i'm telling you that this hasn't looked like that down south in rio on me ever um okay uh so that so that's elon um can i ask you about bitcoin i confess i don't know much about it i had one show i had eric bowling on he explained it to me a little and he said buy it and then he said it was gonna cost me fifty thousand dollars and i said really but i know you're big on it and i can you give us like the bitcoin 101 your thoughts a bit bitcoin one on one and so in a way that everybody can understand what we're talking about because now more and more seems like people are getting behind it including the like our government seems to be favoring it uh not so much the chinese but you tell me whether this is a good investment and why um okay so it's impossible to explain bitcoin 101 people have to do their their own work to understand all the ins and outs of it and that's mainly because our western central banking reserve fractional reserve banking system is very complex hard to understand and is completely corrupt so um what is happening is uh and well here's a simple example in the 70s uh you might remember the jump for toyota commercial um that was and the truck at the time cost five thousand dollars so now look at where we are the truck from toyota costs ten times that much is fifty thousand that's inflation and it happens for a whole bunch of reasons but it's accelerating and it's been happening on a much larger scale certainly since 2009 where the dollar is literally becoming worth less than it was um and uh and that makes your uh your salary you know you're buying your purchasing power less on an ongoing basis at the same time housing costs expand or explode etc so there's a group of older millennials 28 29 who i work with mostly now in uh because we're doing streaming bitcoin for podcasting so people can get paid in real time um oh yeah i want to get you on that um these people were born in the early 90s they were born in the gulf war um i know my daughter was not 31 you know she was in the her little cradle there sitting watching you know baghdad bob and everything happened and then um of course we had 911 well if you're eight nine ten years old that's super super traumatizing but don't worry about it we're gonna go invade the wrong country so they went through all of that well everything's going to be fine people it's going to be good and we've got a new president coming in and we're going to fix everything and then we had the great depression since or the great recession since the great depression and we're going to fix all that and we printed up a bunch of money and did a bunch of things and we didn't fix it and now we have this group of young people coming out of college 15 hour jobs if they're lucky a hundred thousand dollars in debt no future and oh by the way their peers are telling them going to die in 11 years from climate change so right they are opting out of this system and they're doing that with bitcoin they're doing it with bitcoin and they are creating an entire um financial system that does not require banks in fact you are your own bank it is financial sovereignty it is not blockable bannable turn offable any of the things they're saying and so governments have a choice either they fight it and go down and lose their currency with it now the dollar is a big one so that's not going to be that easy but you have smaller ones who are already crushed by the banking system such as el salvador who just made bitcoin an official currency and brazil was rumored about it um so the technology behind bitcoin makes it so that mathematically if you put in one dollar into bitcoin and you don't have to buy fifty thousand you can buy one dollars worth of bitcoin anywhere you don't have to buy a whole bitcoin you can buy little pieces of it mathematically that will be worth much more in five to ten years from now that's just mathematically true um because that's how the protocol was built so instead of a federal reserve raising and lowering interest rates um it's built into bitcoin and it can only go one way it's a deflationary currency because it's limited in supply when you can't print anymore that's it so we're seeing i think sadly uh we're being helped by george soros because you know he's the guy that brought down the pound uh literally shorted the pound almost broke the bank of england i think his uh uh his coup de gras his cherry on top will be to break the us dollar and i think he actually may be behind a lot of the uh some of the purchasing of bitcoin that's happening right now and they certainly have said they are uh are are accumul accumulating but the good thing is even if he can help break america the dollar or whatever which you know that may not happen in my lifetime but it could all fiat currencies have gone away throughout history um he won't be the only one he won't be the the richest guy there'll be lots of other people my wife and i have bitcoin you can have bitcoin and everybody can have some um and be on that same level and there's no um no financial controls from the government the way the treasury and the federal reserve exert on the american people which they've done and they just say shut up it's just temporary inflation fascinating might be i've never seen it go down like you know after something like this it's a great it's a great two two minute pitch i want to just clarify what i said morgan chase is backing it saying cryptocurrency uh is a better hedge than gold so far they're with our federal government they haven't done much but they're they're weighing a regulatory crypto crackdown according to reports of weighing it listen crypto is not bitcoin not exactly the same oh well we'll pick that up it says bitcoin ethereum card whatever well i think that might be included in the executive order all right longer stories we got to pick this up because i need more time with you i needed more time with sharon i need more time on the show i need four hours i got to start the show earlier but this has been so great i love meeting you thank you for coming on my pleasure and i look forward to coming back and uh laying some real podcasting 2.0 smack on you yes yes let's not say goodbye let's say to be continued to be continued welcome back everyone to the megan kelly show the phone lines are lighten up and we're going to start now with walter from iowa walter what's on your mind hi how are you great show today thank you i want to thank you so much for interviewing sharon because i'm a truck driver i listen to your show every day on xm and uh you you what you did today solidified everything that we had been thinking because there are so many fans out there so many people that love the osborne family and for for what happened to her was just unbelievable and what you did today was such a great service for her and you could tell at the end of your broadcast with her that how much she appreciated you and being able to open up to you and explain what happened and it just it it brought down a whole new light on everything that we ever thought oh thank you walter honestly i i really enjoyed the talk and it's scary when you're in her position to come in and especially in a podcast or a radio show like this where it's a long form because you know you're going to go deep and you know it's just tougher and it can be uncomfortable so she took a risk and i hope it was rewarded because i thought it was a fascinating discussion i love that you loved it walter thank you um all right now i'm hearing matthew in new jersey may have a different point of view matthew hey what's your thought hey megan thanks for taking mike paul i listened to your show every day and i loved watching you on nbc um and i just wanted to say that um i also i heard sonny sonny halston does interviews on radio andy and she talked about your time with her on on your rally factory on fox news yeah we used to go on that riley factor she's on the view oh yeah yeah i watched the view every day for the past few years so i definitely love that show um but i just wanted to say that i don't think sharon osbourne as a british citizen makes her qualified to make comments about people's race um i'm just out of outside of philadelphia and i like holly robinson pete and i think two ghetto is a little offensive um and actually a few years ago i was diagnosed with schizophrenia by an african-american doctor and so a lot of people say um like that um my doctor was unqualified to diagnose people with schizophrenia and so i think sharon is kind of piggybacking on some of um some of what uh other talks have been talking about with mental health well i think if somebody's saying that about your doctor based on skin color they can take a you know long walk after off a short period that's ridiculous i don't know what his other qualifications were but i will say this insurance defense she denied that accusation that she called holly robinson pete to ghetto when i read that accusation what i read holly said was sharon allegedly said that which sharon denied on bill maher and to the daily mail and that cbs got rid of holly because of it if that's true sharon's the least of the problems it's cbs and they ought to be sued and holly robbins and pete should file that lawsuit immediately um so we'll see whether that goes in here but listen thank you for listening and thank you for calling in listen i want to ask you quickly uh michael from georgia what are your thoughts get them in quick well i just want to say you should win the mike wallace award for unbelievable uh journalism the one that i really enjoyed i enjoyed today but the other day when you went after that guy with pfizer that's emmy awards oh thank you oh man that was just unbelievable i enjoyed that exchange myself i don't think you can say the same you just would not let him up and and you know you had to give it to him but i mean it was it was about as good as i've ever heard and i hope you understand that mike wallace uh reference all right i gotta go michael thank you for the compliment and if you guys want to watch that exchange go to youtube.com forward slash megan kelly and you can see the scott got leave interview there uh in the meantime download the megan kelly show on apple pandora spotify and stitcher got a great show for you tomorrow too see you then [Music]

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Published: Tue Oct 12 2021