>> CASEY THANK YOU. THE VIOLENT DEATHS OF 7 YEAR-OLD NURSE AND OR SHELLS AND 24 YEAR-OLD UCL A GRAD PROVOCATIVE TITLE, ESPECIALLY COMING FROM YOU I BELIEVE IDENTIFY AS A PROGRESSIVE SO TALK ABOUT WHY YOU WROTE THIS BOOK. >> SURE LIFE PROGRESSIVE REGISTERED DEMOCRAT HEART WE HEARD LIBERAL, SO VERY CERTAIN ABOUT ON THE STREET ARE SUFFERING FROM LATE-STAGE TREAT MENTAL ILLNESS. ALSO LIVE IN BERKELEY DISCO THERE THE IN 19 HE'S. AND I JUST WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON ENDED UP BEING THAT THERE'S ALL-SEASON WANT TO PUT PEOPLE IN THE FACT FOR FIRST ARE TRYING CRIMINAL WAS A SHUNT AND AND MAXINE RIGHTS WORK FOR EXCHANGE. BUT IT'S THAT THESE POLICIES ARE JUST TOO ARE AND WE NEED TO. TURN TO SOME PEOPLE THE HELP THEY NEED FOR THEIR. IT'S A TRADITION OF MENTAL. >> SO YOU LIVE UP IN THE BAY AREA AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN TO SAN FRANCISCO. IT IT I WOULD SAY IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO SIMPLY WALK AROUND THE STREETS THERE AND SIMILAR IF YOU GO TO PLACES LIKE VENICE ARE DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES PLACES LIKE SKID ROW. AND THERE'S SO MANY OF US WHO WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM, BUT IT'S JUST REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. SO WOULD YOU SAY IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM BOTH UP IN SAN FRANCISCO AND HERE IN LOS ANGELES AND IS THERE ANY SOLUTION WHAT WHAT WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT. >> YEAH THERE IS A SOLUTION AND IN MY BOOK I TALK ABOUT HOW IN AMSTERDAM PORSCHE GOAL. OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THEY DO NOT ALLOW OPEN OR DRUG USE AN OPENER DRUG DEALING. THEY HAVE DRUG WHEN PEOPLE BREAK THE LAW DRUG REHABILITATION IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY CAN USE AS WELL PSYCHIATRIC CARE. IT'S A SHELTER FIRST POLICY PEOPLE NOT ALLOWED TO SLEEP ON THE STREET THEY CAN THEN EARN HOUSING THROUGHOUT STUDENTS AND PROGRESS TOWARDS SIR. RECOVERY AND THEIR INDEPENDENCE. I WAS JUST IN SAN FRANCISCO DOWNTOWN ON FRIDAY. I'VE BEEN IN WAR ZONES AND NICARAGUA EL SALVADOR HONDURAS GUATEMALA CONGO AND THE SITUATION IS HIGH WAS SOMEONE WAS DANGEROUS AND FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCES, I'VE EVER BEEN IN. THERE WERE POLICE AROUND BUT THE THE DRUG DEALERS ARE ARMS. THEY WORK FOR A VERY DANGEROUS FOREIGN CARTEL. THERE'S BEEN A COMPLETE BREAKDOWN OF LAW AND ORDER IN DOWNTOWN ACROSS CALIFORNIA. CERTAINLY SKID ROW IS OUT OF CONTROL, SAN FRANCISCO'S OUT OF CONTROL SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING BUT OUR CITIES ARE BEING DESTROYED IS SIMPLY NOT SAFE TO WALK IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS. >> THE RECENT KILLINGS THAT WE SPOKE WITH THE SUSPECTED KILLERS DESCRIBED AS UNHOUSED OF COURSE ALL HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE NOT CRIMINALS. WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO CHARACTERIZE PEOPLE THAT WAY BUT WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS LAPD CHIEF MOORE TALKED ABOUT HOW MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE INCREASINGLY VICTIMS OF CRIME AS WELL AS PERPETRATORS HE SAID HE THINKS THAT SPEAKS TO THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS ON OUR STREETS AND ACTUALLY THE SHERIFF APPOINTED TO THE SAME THING TO MENTAL ILLNESS IS PART OF YOUR ARGUMENT WHAT DO YOU SEE IS THE SOLUTION TO THE MENTAL ILLNESS ON THE STREETS. >> YEAH, I MEAN I THINK MY FELLOW PROGRESSIVES DID A DISSERVICE BY SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS JUST ABOUT HIGH RENTS. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE RENTS THE LAST PLACE YOU'RE GOING TO GO IS TO LIVE ON THE MOST DANGEROUS AND DIRTY STREETS IN AMERICA. YOU CAN MOVE OUT OF STATE MOVE IN WITH FRIENDS TO THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET ARE SUFFERING LATE STAGE. ADDICTIONS UNTREATED MENTAL ILLNESS. WE KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS IT'S WHAT EVERY CIVILIZED NATION IN THE WORLD TO US WHICH IS THAT WE GET OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY THE CARE THAT THEY NEED IN HOSPITALS. >> WE PANICKED WE HAD HOSPITALS IN THE 1960'S 50'S 60'S THAT WERE IN POOR SHAPE. >> BUT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET PEOPLE INTO RESIDENTIAL CARE. WE JUST SHUT THEM DOWN WE JUST WENT TOO FAR. THERE'S SORT OF A MIXTURE OF COMPASSION BUT ALSO KIND OF RADICAL LIBERTARIAN IDEAS HERE. BUT WE KNOW IT WORKS YOU KNOW MY AUNT HAD SCHIZOPHRENIA SHE WAS IN A GROUP HOME SHE DID VERY WELL SHE NEEDED LIFELONG CARE, BUT YOU'RE AT YOU KNOW YOUR AVERAGE 25 YEAR-OLD OR 20 SOMETHING DRUG ADDICT JUST NEEDS REHAB WE NEED A JOBS THEY NEED TO BE RE AFFILIATED WITH THEIR FAMILIES. YOU KNOW WHAT I DESCRIBE IN SAN FRANCISCO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN CALIFORNIA IS REALLY ON LIKE WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD IS DONE WHEN THE MIDST OF THE WORST DRUG EPIDEMIC IN WORLD HISTORY SOUNDS LIKE AN EXAGGERATION BUT IT'S NOT AND 2000 PEOPLE DIED LAST YEAR FROM DRUG OVERDOSES AND POISONINGS THAT'S 3 TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN DIED IN CAR ACCIDENTS. THAT'S ALMOST 5 TIMES MORE THAN DIED IN HOMICIDES. SO WE'VE JUST GOT TO GROW UP A BIT HERE AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR TAKING CARE OF OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT ARE REALLY OUT OF THE MINES, YOU KNOW LITERALLY BECAUSE OF DRUGS OR MENTAL ILLNESS. AND WE NEED TO RESTORE ORDER BY ENFORCING LAWS BECAUSE THAT'S OFTEN HOW WE GET PEOPLE THE HELP THEY NEED. LAURA AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHEN WE WERE GETTING READY FOR THE SHOW AND YOU MENTION LEARNED THAT THE FEDERAL LAW. >> WELL I WAS TALKING ABOUT CIVIL LIBERTIES. WHAT WHAT IS THE MECHANISM FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY HAVE CIVIL LIBERTIES. SO HOW DO YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TREATMENT INTO TREATMENT. ALSO TOO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW POLICING AND NEEDING TO ACCEPT SHELTER GOING TO TREATMENT. I MEAN THE CITY OF LA FOR EXAMPLE HAS A COURT RULING TO ABIDE BY WHERE YOU KNOW, IT'S CONSIDERED CRUEL UNUSUAL CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. 2 IN FORCE ANTI CAMPING LAWS IF THERE'S NOT A SHELTER BED FOR SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW GO TO END LA COUNTY BY NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION AS SHELTER PETS. >> YEAH, THE FIRST NOBODY LOVES THEIR FREEDOM MORE THAN I DO I MEAN I'M IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE I LOVE MY FREEDOM, I'M VERY PROTECTIVE OF IT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD GET PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT SUFFERING FROM MENTAL ILLNESS OR LATE-STAGE IN THE CARE THEY NEED THAT BEING SAID WHEN PEOPLE BREAK THE LAW. IF YOU ENFORCE THE LAW THAT'S THE CHANCE TO GET THEM THE HELP THEY NEED RIGHT NOW MANY MEANT THE BIGGEST FACILITY FOR MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE IN STATE SAYS THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY JAIL. A COMPLETE DEPRIVATION OF FREEDOM BECAUSE THESE ARE MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BROKEN THE LAWS SO FREQUENTLY ARE SO VIOLENTLY THAT THEY'RE NOW IN JAIL FOR IT. WE DO HAVE CONSERVATORSHIP LAWS ON THE BOOKS WE HAVE ASSISTED OUTPATIENT TREATMENT WHICH IS COURT ORDERED A MEDICAL CARE FOR PEOPLE. THESE AS A VARIETY OF REASONS THESE LAWS AREN'T BEING ENFORCED IN TERMS YOU KNOW IN PART JUST PUBLIC ATTITUDES NEED TO EVOLVE THE JUDGES NEED TO EVOLVE OUR POLICY MAKERS I THINK HE NEEDS TO EVOLVE. IT ULTIMATE DEPRIVATION OF FREEDOM IS OBVIOUSLY BEING KILLED OR INCARCERATED SO IF WE GET PEOPLE THE CARE THEY NEED THAT'S MUCH MUCH LESS DEPRIVATION OF FREEDOM THAN JAIL OR PRISON. ONE OF THINGS I DISCOVERED IS THAT THE HOMELESS ADVOCATES THEMSELVES OUT OF A KIND OF RADICAL BELIEF THAT EVERYBODY THAT SHOWS UP HOMELESS SHOULD EITHER AN APARTMENT INCLUDING IN VERY EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE AREAS. THEY HAVE BLOCKED BUILDING, SUFFICIENT SHELTERS. SO NEW YORK CITY SHELTERS, 95% OF ITS HOMELESS. THEY DON'T SUFFICIENT SHELTERS. I AGREE IT'S IMMORAL TO ARREST PEOPLE OR MOVE THEM ALONG IF YOU DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT SHELTERS. BUT I WAS SHOCKED TO DISCOVER THAT IT'S ACTUALLY THE PROGRESSIVE HOUSING FIRST HOMELESS ADVOCATES THEMSELVES WHO HAVE DEMANDED THAT THE FUNDING FOR HOMELESSNESS GOING TO VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSING. 750,000 ALL UNITS MILLION DOLLAR UNITS IN LOS ANGELES IN VENICE BEACH. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO A CONFERENCE VERY RICH STATE. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO TO HELP GIVE HAVE SHELTERS GROUP HOMES RESIDENTIAL CARE PSYCHIATRIC BEDS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE APARTMENTS, EVERYBODY THAT SAYS THEY WANT ONE IN SAN FRANCISCO VENICE BEACH LOS ANGELES QUICKLY RIGHT TO SHELTER IS ALSO VERY EXPENSIVE >> ANYONE I TALKED TO IN THAT WORKS AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH. THEY SAY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LIKE THAT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION SO WHAT YOU'RE CALLING FOR IS GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY CORRECT. >> WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW THAT ACTUALLY IN FACT VERY HARD TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. CALIFORNIA SPENDS MORE ON MENTAL HEALTH AND ANY OTHER STATE IN THE UNITED STATES AND WE HAVE THE WORST OUTCOMES. WE DO NEED A STATEWIDE SOLUTION BECAUSE MUCH CHEAPER TO PROVIDE CARE IN BAKERSFIELD AND FRESNO THEN VENICE BEACH IN SAN FRANCISCO SAID NEEDS TO BE A STATEWIDE SOLUTION. WE NEED STATEWIDE LEADERSHIP. THE GOVERNOR HAS TO STOP ACTING LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE IS IN CONTROL. YES, WE NEED TO BUILD PSYCHIATRIC BEDS, RESIDENTIAL CARE SHELTERS, NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE IN THE MOST EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE IN CALIFORNIA. >> WELL WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING THE MORNING WITH US AND HOPEFULLY CAN COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS TOPIC BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH IT IN LOS ANGELES EVERY SINGLE DAY AND ALL THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA FOR MORE OFFER MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER YOU CAN CHECK OUT HIS BOOK RIGHT THERE, IT'S CALLED SAN FRANCISCO. YOU
