Sadhguru-you're suffering what you do

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you say work most doing what you want to do and you're suffering it so nobody you're not enslaved you've studied something that you want to do and you're surfing it you're driving something that you want to drive and you're suffering it you're living with somebody that you want to live and suffering it so it is not the work it is not the family it is not the traffic it's just that you have the most sophisticated gadget in the planet in the form of human mechanism have you even read the user's manual you got only three buttons control-alt-delete are the dots and you know it was a design deficiency which made these three buttons happen yes it was not a masterpiece it was a big mistake so the thing is just this your body your mind your chemistry your emotions your energy nothing is taking instructions from you if your mind took instructions from you right now would you keep yourself miserable or blissful please tell me make a choice because I'm going to bless you right now if you if your mind took the instructions from you at this moment would you keep it blissful or miserable please make a choice don't hesitate that's a big problem you not make the choice you're allowing situations to make the choice you have not made the choice how to be and without understanding the fundamentals of human mechanism we're trying to just run it through somehow and hope it'll work you've been given a super supercomputer but you are handling it with hammer and anvil technology so obviously wrong things will happen if you ever try to get those three buttons control-alt-delete on your hand on your computer keyboard it's one of the most difficult things to do because we have not learned how to use it human mechanism is a phenomenal process what is such a phenomenal thing has become a torture that today people are talking about how to switch it off how to delete or out whatever for example the reason why we offer we are on this planet in relation to every other creature is we have a mind of a certain kind this mind has become the serious problem now what is the greatest blessing has become a problem because this is like suppose you don't know how to drive you went and just sat in a car you don't know anything about how to drive but the car started rolling fear not you will if it will started rolling faster terror natural isn't it if you knew how to drive it if it starts moving great if it goes at great speed fantastic if you knew how to drive it so the problem is not with your work with your family with the daily traffic the problem is you don't know how to drive this not made any effort to look at how this is made how we should make this happen the way we want it nobody in this world I'm sure you have enough experience with life nobody in your life has happened 100% the way you want them isn't it has anybody happened your parents your spouse your partner's your colleagues your children has anybody happened 100% the way you want them not even your dog these days they do their own thing but the problem is not that somebody is not happening your way the problem is this one is not happening your way that is the problem if this one person happened your way once again I ask you a question because many of not answering if this one person happened the way you want him to be would you keep him blissfully miserable so the problem is just that this one is not happening the way you want him it's not about work it's not about world situations it's not about things outside this is not happening the way you want how much time our attention has ever been paid as to what is the basis of this how does this function where are the where is the keyboard for this brain you just try to scratch it back it doesn't work like that I keep telling people when they think hard they scratch the back of their hand said that's not where the buttons are that's not where it is where easy that's the point where is it Oh shall we do a simple experiment with you shall we sit with your hands and legs uncrossed very simple should we just buy an addict if that's possible your five fingers should be together just place it gently upon your time okay we will do this with eyes closed but right now you just observe me you will hold it this way with your eyes closed breathe slightly deeper than normal as you normally breathe just slightly deeper than that slightly exaggerated breath and notice how the air fills up into your lung or where the maximum expansion and contraction is as you're doing this with your eyes closed noticing your breath I will ask you to switch when I say switch just turn it around like this and once again when I say switch get it back in these two positions I want you to notice something about your breath will change I wanted to notice this you will be able to notice this only if your spine is erect your eyes are closed and you're focused on your breath please close your eyes breathe slightly deeper than normal switch switch again please open your eyes do notice some change between these two can somebody say what yes please I think the concentration level is higher when hands are facing no no with your breath something about your breath about the recognizes mm-hmm I don't know this was maybe peculiar to me but when I when you asked me to switch I actually held my breath and switched and I think why am i holding my breath or foil just to breathe with the anxiety of Hawaii to switch when I focus on my breath in fact I realized that I am living in present in fact across mind I have focus wander when I was leaving in and I was holding the breath I thought that I'm living in the present moment I mean I was detached from the past or the future I was very much focused on the present because I had to you know switch it off so I think I felt that moment that's fine but running a business you will have to think about past and future pray often any much okay I will tell you what's happening please notice this when your hands are down you will notice the maximum expansion and contraction is in a lower lobe of the lung so you will notice it in the diaphragm when you turn it around it's in the middle lobe of the lung so it moves little higher up just notice this one breath is that so just turning your hand around the very way you breathe is altering itself it's not just your breath the very way your life and a dysfunction is altering itself completely just because you turn your hand around now how many times in a day unconsciously whatever anybody asked now you turn your energies into turmoil and hoping to be peaceful now when people are talking they don't speak I don't know it's an articulation problem of what people all happening and now you hope to be peaceful life doesn't work like that unless you do the right things right things will not happen to you in this world whether it's outside or inside it's the same thing or another way of looking at it is if right if right things are not happening obviously you're not doing the right things yes I am sure you're successful enough to understand this isn't it there was a time when people believed they can do stupid things look up and pray and everything is gonna be okay I'm sure all of you are successful enough to understand unless you do right things right things will not happen to you in your businesses yes or no the same with this business also unless you do the right things right things will not happen to you so what are the right things might not be you all right no I'm not talking about a morality business oh no I talk about morality either they don't talk about just what so if it if it comes to these days all of you using more tender she's still on blackberry but others have come to more tender gadgets which are touch okay so if you take your touchscreen and do this this this you know what will happen there was a time the famous Remington typewriter you needed iron fingers do but progress now you like this this because the technology is more sophisticated so you have the highest level of sophisticated technology on the planet do you agree with me this is the gadget everything else is a small outcome of this and this one you're trying to handle it like a caveman it's not gonna work it will work you can make this work in different levels you can you use your blackberry to send messages you can use it to break somebody's head it also works like that but that is not what it's in them intended for so similarly this is capable of phenomenal things if you learn to handle it in a sophisticated manner otherwise could do crude things and you could be happy with it a lot of people are happy just to include things and the thing that's it but for that you did not need this sophisticated a body this sophisticated and neurological system and a brain you don't need that any creature could do that the significance of being human is you have a sophisticated instrument because nature expected you will do sophisticated things phenomenal things when I say phenomenal things nobody seems old enough for this but suppose you were watching the first do darshan in India in early 80s when the first I think most of you would have watched if you want one television and turn it on the thing single-channel wonder as you're watching your favorite program suddenly it goes boop boop boop then you have to run upon the terrace of your house and a bunch of aluminum tubes if you do like this it won't work if you do like this it won't work you just tenderly get it to one place suddenly the world pours in your sitting room this is just like that how you say it how you breathe how you conduct everything about you if you manage this this can download the whole cosmos that may be too far see who does not represent anything cosmic right if the sea doesn't stand for cosmics I understand you may not be interested that far but how would it be for you putting it down to your day to day levels see now if I sit here with my eyes closed if somebody walks into this hall I will tell you what kind of person has walked into this hall this is not some great yoga your dog is capable of doing this yes or no your dog is sitting under the sofa somebody comes at the doorstep he knows who has come yes or no would it be very useful in your day-to-day business that if you sit in your office somebody walks in and you know what you need to know about this person would it be very useful either conducting a client or an employee or yourself for that matter would be very useful such a thing is not happening because we are conducting this in a rudimentary fashion so according to you the biggest sort of hindrance to detoxing into freeing our mind is ourselves no no right you're talking about detoxing I am NOT talking about detoxing my question is why are you toxic first of all that's my questions what is the talks right that's all right now if you if you check my pulse have had my breakfast I am NOT speaking it is somewhere else either but in the lower 50s if I simply sit quietly it will come somewhere around 36 38 so when your system is like this there's no question of daxing up and then detoxing what is the point but for most of us who are working in this you know crazy environment you're not working in a more crazy environment than me okay so even got to talk to you yes you do I want you to understand I'm not sitting in some mountain cave and being peaceful I'm handling an organization which is doing multiple varieties of activity from projects from very masculine to spiritual processes to half a dozen businesses to tricks two months ago or God Kailash which I've actual injuries and with what I don't get people from I am sore I I tease or I don't pick up the best whoever comes to me okay whatever comes to us and they're all volunteers forward three million volunteers a volunteer means first thing is not trained for the job another thing is you can't fire him because he's a volunteer you try to work with a group of people that you can't fire that's not easy okay so if anybody has to go crazy it's me not you so then what is what is the reason that you're not going crazy now I know that out of most of the boonies you are considered the most accessible because you claim not to talk in mumbo-jumbo you know the whole know I claim are you doing talking about each other okay cuz it is my point this next year in the moon non esoteric this is that what are maybe three or four tips like preocupe that we could actually be in the state that you are in dealing with people we can't fire okay so on a certain day a man was going home he looked at his watch it was 7:30 in the evening the wife's rules at home are eight he must be back home what's the rules at home now don't tell me okay you can't run a home with without any rules there is some rule isn't it in this house the wires rules are eight o'clock he must be home he saw this still some time so he stepped into your local bar and he thought he'll have a quick drink he had a quick drink and a quick drink and a quick drink and a quick drink then he looked at his watch it's a 2 a.m. you know people under the influence of alcohol are like Yogi's they become timeless but also senseless ok and then he tried to get off the barstool and rush home and how how unfair it is for a man that he has to walk on a round planet and it spins on top of it completely so with great difficulty he was trying to go home on the spinning planet and he tried to find a shortcut through a garden and he went headlong into a rosebush face became a mess somehow he reached home and these key holes are made so macroscopic he took another 20 minutes to find that then he crawled up to his bedroom fortunately wife was a big sleeper he went into the bathroom looked at himself in the mirror at the face was a big mess so he from the medicine cabinet fixed himself plaster a band-aid everything and then went and crawled into the bed and slept morning 8 o'clock the wife took a bucketful of cold water and splashed it on him he woke up why why oh it's only a Sunday she said you fooled once again drinking she said honey I promised you six months ago since then I haven't touched a drunk she grabbed him by the shirt and dragged him into the bathroom and showed him all the plaster was on the mirror this is the problem right now you think if you get angry you gotta pick somebody if you get miserable you gotta fix somebody know if you are feeling any kind of unpleasantness either resentment anger fear whatever these are all different names for different levels of unpleasantness whatever is your unpleasantness if this is unpleasant please tell me who should be fixed who should be fixed if this is unpleasant this needs to be fixed not that if you fix that that may improve but this will be the same you look at your lives and see in the last hundred hundred fifty years with the advance of science and technology aren't you definitely living materially way better than your grandfather way better than your father yes or no unless your father was a grandfather with the Maharaja or something otherwise every one of us are enjoying comforts and conveniences even royalty could not expect 100 years ago isn't it so many of you driving cars with two hundred five hundred horses yes yes or no so the problem is not because of the situation it is simply because you're trying to fix the mirror and you think you're going to be okay life doesn't work like that so how do we fix ourselves that's the point I mean most of us would agree instantly to say yes this needs fixing what we do are you are you so insignificant a creature in your own life that you are not willing to dedicate a little bit of time for that it has right here in two minutes no but it has to be the right kind of time with the right kind of effort if I'm just going on fixing the middle thinking I'm fixing myself and that's not gonna work if you I think they're giving you this little meditation CD you could start off with that it's a 12-minute process simple anywhere you can do you can put it on your phone and with the little guidance you can do this you start with that something very simple if you little more serious I would say if you dedicate a minimum of 30 to 32 hours a focus time we can spread it on three days four days five days whichever way you want it but a little over 30 hours of focused time we can give you a scientific process through which you can work upon yourself internally not somebody from outside you can work upon your internal system we are calling this in engineering engineering essentially means to have things the way we want it isn't it you have engineered the world so much well in India still a lot needs to happen but the rest of the world has engineered it so much if you engineer it anymore there may be no world left to that point we have taken you may have outside the way you want it but if this one person is not the way you want him to be it's still misery isn't it see let me check a few facts today's Sun came up on time do you know this hello I'm talking to you yes do the Sun came up on time okay so what no you don't understand the significance of this this happened to me a few months ago maybe a year ago we were we were just flying a helicopter and because the weather was good we pulled off the doors and we were flying an open helicopter everybody knows every thousand feet you go up but the temperature drop you prepare for that but then we went up and in that cloudy and we hit a cold front and it became very cold it became sub-zero in a matter of 15-20 minutes so we couldn't even hold the controls properly so we said we'll come down as we're coming down out we were just talking if the Sun doesn't come up tomorrow what we said maybe three months six months the planet what will happen but I came down and did some research if the Sun vanishes right now in 18 hours time in 18 hours time almost everything that you know as life will not exist only some microbes deep down in the earth will be there so I I announced the great news for you right now you just stare at me son came upon time today I want to hear appropriate noises Wow you know the planet is spinning on time everything in the solar system is going on course nothing crashing into anything the whole cosmos is in perfect order but you have one nasty little thought crawling in your head and it's a bad day you lost your perspective it's time you lost your perspective in the sense do you know the solar system in this cosmic space is a speck tomorrow morning if the whole solar system disappears nobody will notice it I'm telling you is not an account in this fact planet Earth is a super speck in that super speck gurgaon is a micro super speck in that you're a big man this is not a small problem you completely lost your perspective as to who you are what you are in this creation you think you are spinning the planet no if all of us vanish right now everything will go on fine even in this world yes or no so if you don't lose your perspective if you are in touch with reality if you are observing life process around you that itself will fix you that itself will fix you the fundamental process of yogic sciences comes from what is called as Buddha should be Buddha should be means the five elements when he's seven now famous disciples who are known as the subterra sees in this country when they asked are the yogi what is the nature of the universe what should we take charge to be the Masters of this he was in a intoxicated State not because of substances that's how he was he just said like this said five these five things five elements if you take charge your complete mastery of yourself and the world around you for only five things you are a composite making of this water air earth fire and space you don't have to do much with space only four things little mastery over this if you just learn to treat them differently your life will changes now really the lady is just getting ready to drink the water what is not a substance 72% of who you are right now is water you're not treating it as yourself you're not treating it as life making material you're treating it is some kind of a commodity that you can buy and sell well that happens in a marketplace that need not happen in your life you are not treating the food that you eat the water that you drink the air that you breathe the earth that you walk upon as a part of yourself because who you are right now is what you gather from this planet isn't it so yes or no you are just a piece of this planet you better get it from me now otherwise one day you will get it from the maggots yes maybe a bit too late if you get it now you will live sensibly if you understand you just a tiny blob of this planet popping out and you will go back in the mean time how wonderfully you lived is all that you have and what a mess just tell me one thing that people are not suffering if they're poor they suffer their poverty you make them rich they sir for the taxes they're uneducated they suffer their illiteracy you put them to school how much suffering people commit suicide they're not married they suffer that if they get married I don't wish to make a comment no children they suffer that give them children every day pain in the necks tell me one thing that human beings are not suffering so people will conclude life is suffering life is not suffering this is your choice you can make this into an ecstatic process or you can make this into a miserable process you have to make the choice once you make the choice the right steps will naturally follow back a little bit now I have a little baby right and I'm listening to you and I'm thinking about how all of us here need to fix some things what can I do what can the baby do where she doesn't get broken where she doesn't need any fixing what if what are we doing in this world that's wrong that all of us need fixing most of us need fixing both of us need to get on away from the suffering to get into the feeling of being blessed so at this point obviously they're not born broken so as you said it now you're talking about suffering as a natural process and bliss as a rare thing I'm not anything how does it you're saying that you're saying that both of us now you said we need to be fixed you are saying that most of us are suffering that how many of us if we be suffering if we're poor you're saying that I'll ask you one question simple question nobody is hungry here nobody is poking a dagger into you no outside suffering all right right now most of the time in your life nobody is poking at you for most of you life has happened better then you would have imagined at a certain point in your life now tell me how many of you can genuinely say at least you had one 24-hour segment that is a one single day in this many years of living which is utterly absolutely blissful not a moment of stress anxiety fear tension nothing simply blissed-out just one 24-hour segment most human beings and the plants cannot say yes to this if you're fu so what I am asking is if one day did not happen the way you want it is understandable if not even one day happened the way you want it you must understand that you're off the rack what more proof do you need we're not born off the rack surely right that's my point how do you but we are born to people who are abstract David they will fix you in no time if they find you too joyful they'll fix you in no time moving on from this let's come to something a little bit more concrete which is that at the moment sexuality is a big toxin and a plague in the work environment now you've got genuine cases where there is sexual assault and harassment and on the other hand you've got the fear of being perceived as you you know might come across as harassing or you know sexual in an inappropriate manner for instance we have issues in our own organization where a male TV producer cannot tell a television female I saw that oh you know you put on a few kilos or think is not really suiting you on air just for the fear of being perceived that that's a bit inappropriate what I'd like to know is how and when and why this will pass because it has to cause I suppose and why is it so prevalent now or is it just something that we are aware of now and it was always there say with the I must tell you this in each of our nation almost seventy percent of the important leadership positions across the world are held by women and not that is not because of their gender that's because they're competent they're not chosen to those roles because they're women so today it may be like this if there is a male anchor there must be a female anchor which is the wrong choice if the female anchor is good she must be dead if the male anchor is good he must be dead there are only certain aspects of life where gender should play a role the rest of the places there is no this madness of all the time you have to recognize a woman as a woman and a man as a man is not necessary particularly in a workplace if that has to change I think us a whole rethinking in the society needs to happen as to how a woman should come to work and what if I am NOT trying to prescribe anything but if you want it to be a genderless workplace when I say genderless it's not that you're not sensitive to a few things you are but that need not be the prime thing all the time then once that is the prime thing then the choices that you make will be of a certain kind naturally so that has to go I think in India the situation is we have still in a certain state of in a workplace especially see this problem was never is never there men and women are working on the field in a bratty field nobody is bothering her in the way she gets bothered in the office because she is new in the office to understand it's a new thing is that so many women are coming to work in a city but in the village they all work together it's an every issue you must see how they were all crammed into one truck and they both nobody thinks with a man with woman they go no but you hear in the villages please understand 1.2 billion people there will be instances all right there will be instances is 1.2 billion people of totally unmanaged population there is no law in the country when I say there is no law in the country in in America if you call in 4 minutes slaps there there three police cars will be there all right if you sit in a village if you call a policeman he'll come not after four days he will not come after four months you understand in spite of that you cannot say there are too many incidents for 1.2 billion people which is completely not managed by law itself managed you can say our incidence of way lower if you look at the rape statistics America has four times more rates than India and in America there are ten times more not reported than what they have said for me as a woman even one drape is way too many that you know for me I'm not trying to justify that I am saying we're talking about India we don't have to demonize India like that this is happening everywhere absolutely I like that thing what for that for that to change for that to change now if a certain spiritually thought has to come when we say spiritual let's understand this spiritual does not mean a scripture spiritual does not mean looking up or looking down spiritual means looking inward if looking inward means looking beyond the physicality of who you are with yourself first of all when you sit here you are not sitting here as a lump of flesh you're not sitting here as a man or woman you simply sit here as a being which is what you want as a piece of life that you are if you're sitting here throbbing as a piece of life if the idea of gender doesn't always rule you from day day in and day out within yourself you will also not look at the other that way so for that to happen a whole social evolution has to happen just trying to fix it by you know slogans and stuff shows that we are not serious about it one one day slogan television is going berserk on this shows that we are not serious about it if we are serious about it we have to start with our children very M not about saying respect this respect that it is just that if you start looking at life for what it is not what you perceive see till you're eight ten twelve years of age you are perfectly walking suddenly your intelligence got hijacked by hormones suddenly whatever you look at look strange you chemically poison I want you to understand your hormones entered your bloodstream suddenly everybody is looking strange bringing up all kinds of things within you which was not there if you understand this is a phenomena for a certain purpose in a certain way it can be conducted it need not spill your hormones need not spill all over the town they have to be in a certain place for them to find a proper expression and the certain places only procreation the gong Saved by the Bell we have we have time for just a couple of questions so make them interesting go freeze the body oh sorry look I've been reading you know they're the scriptures and they also said that there is a certain phase in your life of your young child and drum Charlie let me get into business then there is a time that you'll be business for others and then you pick something else well we're in decisions when is the hair I think Charlie what I put it up what I was saying to get at is is is there really a need for work-life balance is it really a need for work-life balance mr. moody was here yesterday and he gave us I mean little joke back someone went to HR manager and said is there a work-life balance in 30 and 50 percent and we said okay fifty percent I stay at office and they said no no take 50 years you say in office after that you go to your house so so what what I wanted to get at is that I've seen I've Adam my father's a successful man and he never had time when you know so so I mean a lot of here I'm sure a lot of people here get get back to their homes at a time when the children or the wife fell asleep and I said not that's an everyday thing so is it really necessary to have them work-life balance or you could do it at a certain ease and poking now now I'm going to go for the balance I've done enough work so when you say work-life balance your juxtaposing one against the other what I'm saying is probably you more you'll spend more time with people with whom you work with then with your own family isn't it something if you're a successful person you won't be seen at home if a man is not seen at home either he is very successful or he's drunk or is about for the last one you said you might have taken sannyas okay so if you're successful you're spending a far more amount of time with people that you work with in work situations and why is it not your life there is no such thing as work life you you need to live your work and your life needs we work that okay both need to happen if you don't live your work I see even in India are we picking up I see yes just yesterday for the first time I noticed in India some advertisements saying thank God it's Friday one of the news channels this is an American thing they slog or they suffer four and a half days from Friday afternoon they start living okay that is not our ethos there are people who sleep in their workplace eat in their workplace and joyfully do what they're doing because work is something you're doing it because that's what you want to do unless you've been enslaved isn't it most of us are doing the work that we want to do isn't it so then why is it a suffering why is it work and life a different no there is life and life how much of work how much of family time whatever these things are not a constant for everybody if you spend too much time with your family your wife might say go take a walk it's too too much or all the time here it will not work if you're too much there you set up your office at home and see it will not work either you'll have to move the office or she'll have she will move the house because the balance is there is no such thing as balancing between the two the balance is within you if it's within you just look a smile a word we'll settle ten days or maybe year you must understand this I was recently somebody was interviewing me I said you know my daughter was dancing in UK and this man said how did you bring it up she's become such a fabulous being how do you bring up like this you said I said see I've been largely been a telephoning father and see it worked out quite well for the schedules that I keep and the travels that I do I have largely been a telephonic father and see the results are fantastic because the quality is not in just how much time okay I spend four hours at home six hours here they're there this is not it it's the way you are within yourself and which makes a difference don't worry about your work and your life just fix this one person everybody will be fine with you I'm telling you believe me there's only one problem in the world that's you if you fix this one everything in the world looks fantastic there are a lot of things to be done we will do it to the best of our capability and that's all there is but if you are concerned about it if you are stressed about it there is substantial medical and scientific evidence to prove this that even what you can do you will not do in your life if you are stressed out in your life if you do not do what you cannot do that's not a problem but if you do not do what you can do you're a disaster and that is the disaster you will become if you do not get this into your balanced pleasant condition if this is pleasant only then you can harness in your mind and your body to its fullest if every moment you are feeling really blissful within yourself you can do everything well have you noticed that when you are joyful you are at your best you should know to yourself and everybody around you above all I want to ask you because you all of you manage people would you like to live and work with people who are joyful or miserable joyful people you want please please please remember everybody else is expecting the same thing please before I let you go I just have to ask you one little thing I don't know how old you are I don't know whether you're going to reveal it or not but you have a glow on your face you will never wrinkle anywhere is this because you don't suffer at all from aliens ID whatsoever like you have no anxiety of any kind no nervous nerves no stress no I'm not given the privilege to anybody or anything that they can cause stress to me anxiety to me misery to me I kept those privileges with myself do what you don't do I think you must look at yourself very carefully because the children are picking up everything rapidly and they'll exaggerate everything that you're doing so one foremost thing is at least make yourself in such a way that you would like to be somebody may not approve it doesn't matter at least you made yourself in such a way that you like the way you are gurus know women will not make good gurus nor will men make good gurus unless you know how to be beyond the - you can't be this if you're a man or a woman if you're stuck with your gender then there's no chance of being a guru because you're looking at the mechanics of life in a completely different way you're just looking at life is life all the problems on the planet is simply because everybody has their own mission and these missions are creating variety of conflict if all of us sit here without an omission mission means an assumed position of importance and agenda individual agenda if all of us can sit here what is a human being longing for every human being all of you wherever you are right now you would like to be little more than what you're right now isn't it so hello yes if that little more happens what little more if that happens what so it looks like in installments you're going towards something how much more would settle you for good let's look at it right now
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Published: Tue Oct 04 2016
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