Run it Back with Joey Ingram | High Stakes Poker

[Music] hello and welcome ladies and gentlemen this is run it back my name is rem korinkova and today i am joined by the godfather of plo poppy the tomduan whisperer as i love to call him mr joey ingram joey thanks so much for joining me i got season five of high stakes boca queued up i don't think i could do anything more than that to to get you on the show here but first and foremost how are you doing thank you brother very nice to see you shout out to everybody out there watching on youtube on facebook yeah man you uh we talked about doing this next week but you said uh can i have you on today so i said all right let's make it happen let's go i'm kind of in like a content hiatus right now studying figuring out what i want to do next so happy to be here and happy to watch some high stakes po i mean with the legend tom dwan buddy right this is uh yeah we got episodes so our so i've watched all of these like i don't know about 10 or 15 times i've watched high stakes poker throughout it so it's one of my favorite shows it was super inspiring when it was on back in the day so yeah i love it man i'm ready i'm ready to get into it i love it absolutely amazing yeah we got season five of high stakes poker for people who are new to this show let me tell you this is running back we break down action from the past whether it's wsop poker after dark or high stakes poker as it is the case today we are gonna go back through it watch some of these amazing hands do a little bit of analysis of these hands but mostly we're in here for the stories and some good old banter surrounding some of these epic moments of poker history as you can see right now the intro is running of high stakes poker season five for the people who are with me in the last few weeks you will you will remember this because we are watching season five all the way throughout we did episode one and two three and four and today we're doing five and six and you know we got number seven queued up as well so it's gonna be a long one so crack open a cold one grab some chips and enjoy the ride because tom dwan is ready for some action and so are we uh joey you said you've already watched this stuff numerous times so so so let me tell you uh the joey ingram of back in the day when high stakes poker season one first aired and we're talking you know 2006. you know what were you up to back in that era were you aspiring to be on high-stakes poker and was there was the dream ever close to becoming a reality uh well back back 2006 i think i was just like uh what was i about 21 so i think i was going to the majestic star casino outside chicago i'd go play the one two there after i got done working and i'd go lose all my money at the one two table exciting about bankroll management but then once i found poker stars and i found two plus two and i found bankroll management and i found 10 cent 25 cent fives and ten cent that was uh that was in my life kind of changed so it was it was after a few seasons in though so i didn't really start with the first episode uh back in the day kind of when it came out but yeah i was definitely i feel like if high stakes poker was around all the time in the future that i'll play at some point in time and if it was more like plo i was mainly only playing high stakes plo so there was never a high stakes poker for pollo and omaha unfortunately so right yeah that's definitely too bad uh plo was featured on many other cash game shows but not on high-stakes poker which was strictly no limit and for anyone wondering why these dudes talking over the action well that's because all this action is available on poker go so if you want to watch all seven seasons of this action without anyone talking other than uh aj benza and gabe kaplan and in the later seasons nor mcdonald please go and do so uh we are bringing back high stakes poker season 8 is coming to poker go of course kovit is putting a little bit of a damper on that whole situation but we are excited to get that ball rolling as soon as we can and please let us know in the chat which players you would like to see on season eight of high-stakes poker obviously that's gonna be a big one um joey i have to ask you even though i probably already know the answer and i'm gonna assume that tom one was your favorite player to watch but gave me like a top three of like high-stakes poker characters that you most enjoyed to watch uh well definitely sammy farhad i think sammy farhad is one of one of my number one favorite people to watch on the show i think uh tom duane obviously was always really fun to watch in the show too uh daniel always came in there and kind of mixed it up in his own way but david benjamin is hilarious the guy's like he always talks in his french accent and he's willing to put play a lot of hands puts a lot of money in the pot i mean i don't know jamie gold gale liberty doyle brunson there was a lot of really really epic people to watch so top three i'd have to think a little bit more about it right yeah we do have we do have an iconic cast of characters in every single one of these seasons uh ben you mean taking it down with a two pair against the straight draw of daniel here so yeah um as it is the cadence on this show every now and then we'll tune in to a big hand and there are going to be quite a few big hands here on this show um joey going back in time a little bit because i'm kind of curious about this um your ascension through the ranks was that a quick process or was it all that mass multi-tabling that had you sort of making a good amount of money every month and you were sort of like well why would i move up you know i'm making good money playing all these tables and you know the win rate is good enough yeah i think back then you were able to make money from the rake back system on poker stars with supernova lead so you could always uh you could basically break even and make over a hundred thousand dollars so for me i would always try moving up stakes while 24 tabling and trying to get that top reward status program in the guarantee a hundred thousand dollars so essentially once i stopped doing that was when i got to move up stakes pretty easily because you could play in really good games and you're just a lot more focused you're able to put more time in each decision and when you 24 table you're basically building out a different kind of strategy versus when you're three and four tabling and you're actually game selecting a little bit too so once i gave up the supernova league dream after i got it a couple years in a row was when it was probably a really good decision it was just a lot more stressful once that when you're going through like ten thousand dollar swings every day you know what i mean it's uh it's very stressful so in retrospect maybe it was wasn't the best decision you know right it may have been the best decision to move up stakes but we're led to maybe not right all right we got kings for barry making it 5k tomorrow nine deuce suited that was the hand that people played back in the day at least if your name was tom dawn yeah tom dawn's always known for making like really uh really really wide free bets wide four bets he was pretty much one of the only guys on this show that was willing to three bet with the nine deuce of clubs wow it's still crazy to think about um do you think that tom dwan of 2020 would get this kind of creative 100 yeah i mean i think you see like garrett adelstein who's a better player playing on uh live at the bike when he does play against some players that are weaker you see him mix it up so yeah i think like a player with a really aggressive style who doesn't mind playing really wide hands pre-flop i think definitely we would see more plays like that i think we do see plays like that amongst the high stakes games if you uh when they're on and when you watch them right ellie is out of position in the big blind gives up his ace jack offsuit of course you know very understandable um i can only imagine barry's gonna you know put the pedal to the metal here or maybe he's gonna yeah there we go makes it 100k uh is there is there a good argument there to be made for barry to flat and and you know have dwan spazz off on the flop because you know his range is going to be so wide well it seems like uh you know against tom duan he was always willing to call four bets pretty light and he would have a wider three-bet range than normal so a lot of players didn't necessarily take a big slow play route against him they decided okay plus it looks like he's always three betting so sometimes you're gonna want a four bet so i think that uh players usually played pretty aggressive against tom they're very rare i mean i don't think we saw really any big slow play type hands in that sort of spot against tom duan right so had the pleasure to play against tom has it ever happened no def i don't think so no i mean maybe online at some point in time maybe like on poker stars i don't realize her what screams he was playing on but no not that i know of not like in person or anything like that i don't think people in america have really seen too much of them except the random ivs room and bobby's room's adventures uh over the recent years anyway so it is it is kind of crazy though how even after all these years he still has this mythical sort of status in the game of poker um and and a lot of that came from high stakes poker and poker after dark always playing in the big cash games but then let's pivot to a guy like ziggman that we're watching right now um would you say that with a bit more you know luck on these tv cash games ziggman could have gotten a bit more of that status or do you think he was definitely a tier below dwan on on the pecking order there well he was mainly known as a potlan omaha player so even when he played this show i was always confused because i didn't really see him play much high stakes hold him i think that uh you just need to get more you need to get more and more and more repetition in terms of like being on coverage so he was very rarely on any sort of poker shows in vegas he lived in europe so i think it's just really hard for him to be able to do that right you know but he was definitely a legend of the game back in the day we we saw him on the broadcast as well we did run it back last week i have any idea of ziggman still you know mixing it up do you still talk to your finish you finish intel is he still playing yeah i'm not sure i'm not sure how much he's playing really i talked to the finnish people a little bit but i'm not sure what sigma is up to he's obviously like a classic character in the poker world of all time so i think a lot of people really really enjoyed his little antics in the chat and stuff like that yeah i will never forget the time that he was a heads up in a live event in finland and just walked away from the table and i think they found him in the bathroom or at least you know he was uh he was he was not he was not like totally there but he he did manage to get his heads up in this tournament um uh you know he's a good drinker and he's probably going to be the best guy to run into a funny funny sigmund story when i was at ept copenhagen back in 2009 my first ever ept in copenhagen zigman was playing real heaven in the lobby on a laptop with about 100 people behind him watching in in the lobby of the radisson uh blue hotel and all i was thinking is someone could just text these hands to all these people but ziggman was just drinking tequila and he didn't care and he was playing 501k back in those days um joey do you miss it do you miss the the old heyday of those big high stakes online games or or has that new era of or of whatever it is that is going on online right now that we know nothing about or at least you know not out in the open in the public uh is that replacing it for you a little bit um well the new stuff i've been watching a little bit of it i haven't been watching it too much i'm pretty sure that it could i think just like the way that i view high stakes poker these days in general is a lot different than how i view it back then but i think if it went on for a while and we got to know the players and got to know the characters involved which is what's what's looks like it's going to happen then i think it there's more of a reason for you to care or be and uh just give you kind of something to follow something to connect to something to invest in something to to root for and cheer for and cheer against and stuff like that so i it certainly could happen there's just also a lot of content out these days in all the different parts of the world so there's a lot more temptation in terms of what you might spend your time watching and poker wise or any any content-wise really all right we've got another one here it's granule raising it up with the king queen dwan calling this time with his jack let's see where this goes went to sea in a beautiful green pea boat right here remember that no all right so the kids calm about the crab in the duck well there's another duck on the pond right there but dwan's paired his jack forget about dwan pairing his jack ellie's paired his duck it's true and dwan bets 13 200. and there goes the crab in the duck walking away together looks like an easy one there for i don't know what mister daniel's thinking maybe maybe he's thinking speeding a little bit so he's going to call with king high he actually would take the lead with the king or a queen i have four four's not going to do it maybe if juan checked daniel would try and buy the pot but dwan probably thinks daniel might have a weaker jack or 910 a hand like that so he doesn't want him to draw so it looks like he's gonna bet here he's gonna bet thirty four thousand two hundred daniel is gone all right that hand is not going anywhere juan takes it down with top pair there for the people who are watching this in the chat please let me know if you have any questions for joey any questions about the game anything that's on your mind please let us know it's a safe space it's thursday night let's all unwind and have some fun chris is mentioning in the youtube chat the sexton tribute is a must watch in my opinion yes on sunday we are running the 2006 tournament of champions the entire final table it's a 90-minute broadcast on on youtube and facebook for everyone to watch the um the mike sexton bracelet win million dollar negrono in that event back in 06. um one of my favorite final tables i already broke it down with daniel on run it back uh this was many months ago before we knew mike was uh was ill joey of course this news has you know hit us all hard i don't really you know even know what to say about it mike has been such an inspiration for me uh arguably the greatest ambassador the game has ever seen um you know you put a video on on twitter as well about this um you know try putting it in your own words how you how you feel about it yeah i mean it's really sad you know i think about it i was i'm you know you get emotional i was getting real emotional about it and i'm like you know i'm kind of thinking okay well do i want to make some youtube content so i got some ideas for things i want to put up about him and just talk more about the impact he's had on me but really sucks because he's like a guy that's loved poker forever and uh you know he loves poker forever and like he's one of the top ambassadors that people love and he makes the game look good and he's done so much for the game that it's really sad to just think about like losing someone like that and then like a personal level i supposed to have my podcast next week and i was gonna do some content with them and i mean you know i was really looking forward to having it back on the show so just not it's just it's like it just i don't know it really sucks man it's heartbreaking in some ways because but there's been so much crazy [ __ ] that's happened this year and then you know what i mean it's just you deal with all this emotion and it's just been real challenging for me to kind of deal with so yeah it's really it's really crazy um mike and i were you know on very good terms i've had on my podcast quite a few times the the best storyteller in the game and um wow yeah i don't i don't know what to say it's probably not the right no this show is not the right time to dive too deep into that but i just want to let everyone know that you know we are we're paying tribute to mike on on sunday with that broadcast so you know mike's still with us he's in hospice care right now for people who are unfamiliar with situation linda johnson on twitter is providing you know information on on mike um as it develops and you know he can have my one time and you know if there's a if there's a miracle possible then you know let's hope mike finds one um yeah it's tough to pivot from that back into the show but let's uh let's try to do that and and i know mike loves poker and he's always loved poker and that's why you and i are here that's why how we got to this point and that's how we got to watching high-stakes poker and you know let's just jump into this hand to you know move move on a little bit in that sense um negrono with the flush draw um 44k in the middle there against the leisure's asus uh let's just listen in and see where this goes ellie's gonna raise to 119 100. how much more are you playing about 100 100 more after the 75 close close daniel's only got 44 000 invested both players have about 225 thousand dollars daniel cannot just call he'd be committing so much money that he's either got to go all in here yeah or throw his hand away i mean joey i do i do want to say flush draws were way cooler back in the day right oh yeah i mean yeah they were they were definitely the rage yeah as you can see here right just putting in the 226 000 with the uh you know with the flush draw 10 high flush draw that is all so you know daniel doesn't have a hand like the ace five of clubs or the ace three of clubs he's probably putting daniel on a flush draw or a set but he's getting i think almost four to one on his money i don't understand why wow what's taking so long ellie yeah i mean obviously ellie's not going to fully put 119 000 in so he's got aces i mean he's not pulling i mean the rose is going to play too so what are we pulling for the rules twice good for you sir twice is good i got a flush draw i got the a side club flash draw you do not you liar you got a pair aces i need a club i'll take half they've agreed to run it twice just a casual half a million dollar pod with the old 10 high flush draw no big deal and daniel must know he has no fold equity right i mean what's what's ellie gonna raise ray's fold there in that spot yeah i don't think so i mean think daniel's just gambling right i think you like to do this a lot and there was a lot more gambling kind of happening on this show in general back during this time period plus they usually run it twice so it's easy to sometimes justify to yourself that maybe i do have some full equity and at worst we can run it twice that's that that sort of runner twice thing seems like a bit of a a cop out or at least um i guess an invitation to splash around yeah exactly i think a lot of players do that still in the games right like when you play and you're playing live poker and run it twice as an option you see a lot of players who take advantage of that i mean getting to know which players really love running it twice and maybe make some plays that they wouldn't normally make is something that you can work at and get better at when you when you go play poker some of these sites online run twice number two so you could pay attention to that as well so are you are you a fan of that or do you think that it just i don't know i mean of course you know it it invites action it decreases variance in a way but it's it's also kind of like removing that um bloody nature of of these games in some kind of way yeah i usually just run it once personally so i try to avoid that and get that out of my mind and i let people know that i'm gonna run it one time so there's sometimes on occasion i'll run it twice if it's like a really massive pod and it might hurt if i end up losing a really big pot then but for the most part i just like to go one time and kind of get rid of all that sort of thinking in my own mind when i play because i haven't played enough with run it twice i mean i guess you'd have to start playing to see how people might change against you and their strategies might change against you so is it a fact or is it is it a thing that you sit down in a plo table in a live casino and by the way let me let me preface this by saying that i've never seen you tweet about a losing session so i don't know how you do it but you know it seems like every single time you play live you walk away with at least you know 500 big blinds um but do you do you sit down and and remind people constantly of the fact that you only run it once just so you get more likely yeah you're not like drawing a bunch of attention to it so yeah that's what uh that's why i always wish i would i probably should play more live poker but i just don't play a ton of live poker i just prefer to play online and been playing a lot lately you can play a bunch of tables at one time to me i'd rather play four or five tables versus just one table right now so right that makes sense all right we got eastgate putting in the 20 000 with pocket queens after a raising a call from ellie and uh ziggman ellie calls with the ace jack of or sorry ace nine of diamonds and ziggman just quickly tosses into 15-5 with the pocket fours with this much money on the table would anybody else do that at this table well juan would throw away tens for sure that's a joke right yeah it's a joke aj all right ellie flops a flush drawer and there's an oval card to peter eastgate's queens i mean for the people who've been with this show for the last few weeks they know that eastgate has been getting absolutely crushed by everyone and elizabeth's 55 000. ran back some of these spots and there was a couple big hands that he's kind of famous for being involved with but we didn't necessarily see him on the show getting to you know too many spots where he's making like i mean there was that one hand there's a pretty epic hand i think it might be in this episode or the next one tough spot here what do you what do you think in a nice case situation here i mean i think i'd just be confused like why is this guy betting so big into me right most people they're not gonna if they have king queen here or something like that they have basically in their radio as pre-flop if they have king queen king jack they're most likely just going to check call so it's very weird that someone would lead into you so big i don't think i mean this this would have been the moment for ellie to swing for the fences yeah i think once you get called there you're you're putting your opponent on ace king i mean they once again they might just fall in with ac on the flop so what kind of hand are you putting them on king queen maybe a flush draw as well too pocket queens pocket not going to bed either jacks can't imagine peter was uh three betting super pre-flop as well too right but as far as from ellie's perspective like what are you leading to the flop with that you're checking the turn so you're sort of giving up at that point right uh i don't know if he's gonna give up i imagine he'll probably check called one more depending on what size the bet is we can't really see how deep they are behind so maybe he didn't want to bet and and face it all in or something like that i mean he kind of he played his own style he played very unique right i think uh the way the game would be played now you probably play these kind of hands differently right yeah that's that's definitely the funniest thing to notice that this was played you know about 10 years ago or even longer in some cases uh and the playing styles have just changed so much you know bet sizing you know the way people play position the way people play post flop especially um i think you know i'm gonna make a little bit of an assumption here but i think we see more you know small bets these days and big bets these days and back then there was also sort of that big middle ground and i also think that back in the day there was a lot of three and four betting and that has slowed down a little bit from my perspective yeah i mean it's kind of right like we see maybe more accurate theoretical sizings by players these days but when you watch these live games like live cash games the people play kind of similar in some ways right there's there's different players of all types of play style and like the super best players often aren't in these games that are using the exact gto sizing and all this kind of thing like that they don't leave the house sometimes so they're not really on television or on these live streams playing these games so you still see both types of styles where you see people go small bets and then you see people make these over bets and larger bets as well too so yeah i mean if you uh if you watch some of the other live games you probably find pretty similar if you watched some of the triton crazy stuff they got going on you probably see you know you probably see play looks very similar to this in a lot of ways yeah that's a very good point obviously you know we are exposed much more to live tournaments than we are to live cash games so the trident ones are definitely a great example of how you know you still have a lot of crazy plays um funny question here from uh callum on youtube he says joey what's the most times someone can run it is are there rules for this like can you run it like an unlimited amount of times i think if you're like a fun player who or action speaker right who people are willing to give some some uh they kind of let you do what you want to do so like bill perkins might be in a game right he's a little crazy creates a lot of action if he said i want to run the whole entire deck out then i think the table would say yes sure why not maybe if you're in a home game you see that sometimes where two players are messing around and they joke around and say let's run the entire deck out too i've seen that before happen but for the most usually three or four or the most and then that's really the most i've seen about four times right and then just ask uh andrew roble and patrick antonious about running it four times that's uh that's a good story right there if you want to google that it's a pretty fun one um and that's a that's a classic classic problem on my hand right i mean that's like that hand is some people's only experience to the great paw was watching that hand go down and saying like how's this possible and and the question remains how is it possible that's that was absolutely insane all right dwan put in the squeeze he put in a big raise and then of course he got eastgate to tag along with the jacks um seeing some opportunities here for juan with this uh with this flop at least given the fact that we know eastgate's holding juan always seemed to win these kind of hands remco he always just seemed to make the right step make the right move i mean we very rarely saw him do something crazy when the other guy just happened to have a really big hand right and the fact that he never in this case ran into you know a set of queens and blasted off or you know i don't know even like you know i don't know ace queen suited or a hand that could be in his range uh that he doesn't have that because dwan's gonna fire a 62-2 anyway it feels like yeah maybe we saw some of that on like poker after dark we might have seen it happen a few times some of those poker cash games but on i mean this is obviously a very small sample size right and high stakes poker it's only a few episodes where they really played so we're not getting to see too many hands so it could be the sample size where allow hellmuth play right it seemed like uh he's always running super bad genre beverlande running super bad so it's just our perception of a few small number of hands that we got to see so we're basing like our entire histories of these players off of a few episodes that are edited down so you never know what exactly we missed out on but just think about how much status in the game that he was owning everyone on this small sample size and crushing everyone compare that to if that would have been peter eastgate on you know the crushing side of things how different that duan would have looked in the long term because his status was cemented on these games it really was right i mean he was battling a lot of the high stakes online but high stakes poker was the popular show to watch at the time in terms of who the high stakes players were so when he came on here and just happened to be making all the right plays against all these players who you thought were the top players at the time like you just assumed if you're playing in this game you're a top player peter ice skate won the world so people assumed he was the top player and in retrospect right i guess he was playing on poker stars at the time too so he was he was known as pretty good player as well but it didn't the stakes you play doesn't necessarily mean that you're a better player or not it just means that you have more money sometimes or you have the right connections so i think that people start to realize that a bit more over time and but at this time we didn't necessarily know that we just assumed if you're playing high stakes poker you're the best players in the world and these are the guys to watch exactly and you know there's some truth in that as well but it just you know it it's it's the threshold that um if you walk into bellagio you walk into you know the podium area the biggest game you'll see there it may be 5 100 and then in bob's room they're playing 4k 8k there's nothing in between so you know to make that leap there there's so much needed um any thoughts on why that gap is so massive and why there's nothing in between uh it's a good question right may just probably just not a community of people who already want to start games like that but i think what's online we're seeing probably a bigger middle section but where like where would where would those players come from and they got to start the games they got to build the community they got to find the action players that want to play they have to find the regulars who want to play too so it takes a lot of work to get a game like that going in a community so that's probably why we don't see that in between like the the players who want to play higher today so let me ask you this joey what's the highest stakes you've ever played how how how sick was it uh the highest stakes was in bobby's room i played in there it was it was 200 200 300 at the time ooh and was that was that a pl game yeah that was a parliamentar game yeah that was like my first time really in vegas when i was playing high stakes so i went over there to play played some 50 100 i was doing well played a few rounds and then i put my name on the room for bobby's room just because i figured i might as well play if i'm here said i got called i was so super nervous sat down johnny chan's in there brian rast is in there uh i'm i'm just like shaking kind of never played really that high stakes for live poker and uh i got a little needle from brian rast he said you need to buy in for the min buy-ins for uh you couldn't buy it for 20k you had to buy in for like 40k or something like that as the min so yeah i was kind of i was kind of nervous man it was it was right the highest a regular professional telling you what to do telling you got to buy in for more money to get on the table i was like is that really the rule whatever i'll just do with the rules so it was fun [Music] a lot of fun so just just imagine the intimidation fan rast who plays there every single day the new kid walks in and immediately like tries to up the adrenaline a little bit by doubling the buy-in or at least you know reminding you of the fact that there's a lot which is just a really funny thing to think about yeah that's that's exactly what happened remco it was pretty it was pretty terrifying because i didn't know any better at the time i didn't know anybody i didn't know how live poker worked yeah it was definitely strange um if people are experiencing connection issues please hold on i think my internet had a little bit of a wiggle in and out back and forth but um it looks as though we're still we're still running so i'm not gonna panic but we're just gonna keep rolling seeing green stand there with the ace king um but yeah please uh bear with us here if there are some connection issues on your end as far as from the viewer perspective um if you have any questions for joey please send them in we'll make sure to get to them this show is live we are on youtube and facebook uh don't forget to like this video subscribe to the channel do all that good stuff and then we'll be able to provide you with as much of this content as we possibly can um back to this hand here um multiple or raised in multiple callers it was sort of the standard recipe for any hand in high sticks poker and then negronu you know throwing it in there with the k9 off um it's just all so loose before the flop it's just so awesome to see yeah there was a lot of action on these games they were always really really fun really good people were mixing up i mean hillary was always mixing it up doyle was like much on the tighter side barry was on the tighter side as well too but negranu ellie sammy tom dwan those guys loved playing hands so it was so much fun to watch them playing right greens that makes it a little over 100k and that should get rid of all all the all the interested people here on this hand all right moving into the next one um yeah so connection issues continue to uh the cox internet for uh um messing with messing with my thursday night over here um yeah well let's see if we can hold it steady here uh to uh to continue the show but it looks as though we're we're back online so that's good news all right anyway um joey so your first time in vegas or at least one of your first times in vegas you you play in bobby's room um was that on one side a reminder of like this is where i want to be this is where i you know aspired to be in you know for many years to come or was it more so perhaps a realization of like hey you know i can make money doing doing something against opponents that are not as good uh i mean it just wasn't very like a feasible thing to do because i was mainly an online player and i always knew i was gonna go back outside the country so the first time i could afford to play those high stakes i knew i was going to go back to playing online poker so i more did it for the novelty factor of it just to try it out and see but i never playing live poker as a series i just never really never crossed my mind even though the games are softer and the players are weaker but i never really considered when that was my full-time thing so i just didn't it didn't even cross my mind that it was a possibility for me to do i mean that's that's too bad i mean obviously we would have loved to see you more in in bobby's room types games um do you think that that was the right decision back in the day though because of how much softer the games were you could have had a lot of success in in high-stakes live games yeah i just didn't really know how the live live poker world worked in terms of uh finding people to sell action to or getting in softer games or up stakes the players got better but in reality the regulars got worse and the fun players were just as bad if not worse so it really occurred to me at the time that that was how it worked i just had no idea you know what i mean no one i just never i didn't know any live players at the time when i knew who played online poker right all right while we watched his hand i'm just gonna try to connect my my ethernet cable that i have laying around here my wi-fi is always super strong but has to miss any of the action i'm going to turn up the audio here joey and have the audience uh listen on this hand here but barry has the flush and a call there's an eight on the turn barry checks looks like ellie's gonna follow through hey bets 45 000 here i don't know what ellie's putting barry on but i know one thing he wants barry to throw away his hand ellie wants to take the pot right here yeah i think barry might be figuring if it's worth it to call and draw to the flush barry raced to 200 i didn't expect that at all while ellie was reading barry barry was re-nelly big move plus ellie's been on barry about not gambling mm-hmm take that mr elezra 200 000 with six high ellie was not expecting this no way he had the correct read on barry yes yeah with everything barry reconnect it so let's just roll with that let's just keep the train going um anyway thank you guys all so much for watching uh joey thanks so much for being with me here um we got a lot more hands to go through i'm a little bit off my game because of all this internet [ __ ] and i'm not used to it i'm used to everything going smooth so let's just look at this hand and get get back into the zone and now and now and now joey goes out what's going on here i'm just messing with you brother just messing with you i appreciate it all right top pair for tom's one that's like a top set i predict ziggman's gonna call there you go all right here comes the five of the three i just feel it you gotta get down there and play math is idiotic five or three seven of the diamonds on the turn well i think juan's gonna bet here and i think that's going to be the end of the story we took a shot ziggman but what are you going to do dwan bets 28 700. maybe my guy's not going to give up here he could be putting juan on a 4-5 or east 5. look at this or juan might have absolute air so he's giving me another shot to catch that five or three on the river all right another diamond on the river i don't think the diamond really mattered to either of these players we're back on here remco we are we're running smart we are running smooth we got tom dawn with top hair and hillary with the good old three which is a great great pair to call down tom dwan which has worked in almost no cases at all um but yeah we are we are smooth we are steady i think we've solved it i think we're we're back perfect okay we're back on yeah my buddy i i thought i when i mentioned uh my old roommate z in the chat i thought we were streaming but i guess we weren't so big shout out to him a lot of love to him man and uh yeah i mean he was like the first my first one of my first coaches basically who i used to watch him play heads up and i didn't know what the hell was happening and we would sometimes go to the casino together and go play at the casino together play one two that was crazy we're living in a very small apartment four bedroom in chicago northside lincoln park i lived in a closet he lived in the back it was a shitty [ __ ] place at the time and uh i mean i don't know man it was it was very motivating place to be in because you're like you can't get much worse than this right we moved out of our houses out of the suburbs or i moved out of my house to the suburb i'm living in a big city i'm sleeping in a closet right and i got my computer set up on my bedroom floor with my air mattress and i just was like you know what i'm going to grind this every day until i could run my bankroll up and um you know it kind of worked after after a lot of hard work i mean take take me back to the old chicago joey because of course you know that's also where the name comes from of course take me back to what the day to day was like back then did you go out and grab a bagel and some coffee and grind all day was it ordering pizza hut delivery and just you know oh man yeah there was like a mcdonald's down the street that was like 213 so we'd sometimes go down there get it get a double cheeseburger get a cup of water get a small french fries 13 cents there was a bunch of little small places right around me where i lived in lincoln park it was clark and diversity right by the zoo right by the water there right by like the college life so i would just kind of go get fast food i didn't know how to cook at the time come back home either watch poker on television post in the forums talk to poker friends or i was grinding poker every single day i did that for for months basically wow so there was no social life no going out no no using the spoils of your hard work for some bar tabs uh well i was really making too much money at the time i kept all my money online and i'd only cash out money to pay my pay my bills that i had or that's pretty much all i did so i had friends they all played poker i had some like gym friends i had some beach friends and then i had some girls i i kind of saw and dated off and on so yeah i mean but it was pretty focused on what i wanted to do which was poker so before that i was big into working out so i was always working out every day and i had my workout friends and we kind of just worked out had fun went out but i took poker seriously because i i you know i wanted to make something out of myself and make something in my life that was a little bit more than what i was doing at the time so was making something out of yourself the aspiration of making enough money was it the aspiration of wanting to be pro and live large in vegas or you know where you're thinking like maybe i'll make some money and do something else like did you have a goal and plan in mind no not really i just kind of wanted to not have to rely on my parents to pay my 281 a month rent and pay my 80 a month car insurance or film bill so i was just trying to find anything i could do at the time because there wasn't really youtube back then where you could learn anything you can learn now so i got lucky where i saw poker on television and i found the poker forums i found a few poker friends on the two plus two poker forums at the time and we just started playing together talking poker getting better but yeah i made a thousand dollars and i was like this is the most insane i cannot believe you can make a thousand dollars from playing this [ __ ] game so yeah after that i just always aspire to play in high stakes and be on high stakes poker see my name as a team pro and stuff like that so i was basically what i aspired to be like when i first started playing poker all right let's jump into this hand real quick here we got ellie with the queen 10 suited we got a stand for hillary and we got sevens for juan that's good this could be something let's see this could be could be something look at hillary he looks so angry he looks so miserable all right three way to the flop he needs a drink probably yeah he certainly might there wasn't much drinking on this show that's true shout out to a wiener circle yeah on the north side it's a very late night place it's a lot of people go there when they're really drunk and the the staff like talk [ __ ] to you and it's a little interesting place if if i was dealing with drunk drunk people in the middle of the night for my minimum wage job i would talk [ __ ] too yeah why not this this this board is a little bit like who wants it most uh given the hands that we 22 see and the one the one theme that we see on high stakes poker at least these last couple of episodes is that hillary does not want to give up to duane not even not even an inch he just doesn't want to give up at all well these two were playing so much poker together online at the time that they had like a crazy dynamic this might have been after the duan vs sigmund heads-up challenge went down as well too so yeah they those who had a rivalry they were probably bluffing each other in crazy spots and scrutin says tom dawn is so cute in a nerdy poker way i mean probably the thomas is is one of my favorite looks saying he always ran well in these spots they never made the top pair on the river they didn't have the king king queen there never an ace king they always just had ace 10 right um now that i have you cornered here on this live show uh joey i want to bring up the list that i made the top 10 most talented poker players in the world i did not i did not put ziggman in my top 10. and my first question about this list is do you think he belongs as far as talent goes well i guess i don't really know how you're qualifying talent right so what's what's the qualification for that the the qualification for talent from my perspective is you invent a new poker game who's the best player after 24 hours i mean it sounds kind of kind of like a weird way to do it like that's not even a real possibility and doesn't make much sense because you can never know and people are just gonna speculate on the most right like they're gonna think about someone who's smart and who broke down a hand one time and maybe got better at a spot so it's gonna be super personal preference of course you know what i mean it's like uh but but it's but it's that intuition that that poker wit that that you know just you know general smartness with cards and and games and we all know people like that that we grew up with that were just better at these games because they picked it up so fast so that's why it's probably the easiest way to summarize this criteria by sort of putting it like that but obviously talent is a much wider scope and i put ivy at number one and stu anger at number two and victor blom but number three and then sievers said you know victor obama is obviously going to be the number one and we got tons of responses and input but i really thought that ziggman was was one of the guys that belonged up there because he did not seem to me as a studyer or a guy who really you know was going to put in all the hard work he seemed more like a guy who would just play and he was just you know doing it all on talent yeah it's interesting right i mean so we're considering if you do it all on talent you don't study that means you're talented i mean it's not a it's not a negative thing to say i just think that people have different styles and approaches as far as how they got to the top and i think that right you know someone like zigman probably you know wasn't as much of a studio and a strategy talker but that's from my perspective i don't know if you can correct me then please go ahead whatever yeah i mean it's interesting i think about cuz i'm sure like he had everyone has their group of friends they talk to a lot which is one way that they get better so it's just a big part of the learning process is to have other people that you speak to or coach or explain or type out your thought process so it'd be very hard to get really good at a game just by thinking about it and playing it which it's certainly possible but i think a lot of players might underestimate how much they really talk to other players because that's a really big part of things and so i would just imagine that he might not seem like the most social person at the poker table from the smallest sample size we've seen of him but we obviously saw when he spoke online he had a lot of [ __ ] to say and he was a big [ __ ] talker and he was always right like he that's that's kind of attitude he had so i imagine like he had a very high self-confidence and high belief in his ability and belief in himself and he probably worked at his game quite often too so yeah i think that might be just underestimating that a little bit but obviously hard to know unless you ask the people or you talk to him right so as far as from your perspective um do any players come to mind when you think of talent maybe people you've interacted with people you talk to maybe some of your friends where you're like wow that person is really sharp immediately on something even though we're discussing a new concept yeah i think i think i just met a lot of really smart poker players so it's hard to know like how how long would it take them to get really good at something because i know a lot of people who are already great at what they do and i've seen people who've gotten better over time so either way i think it just takes time to the point where you become really good at whatever it is that you do so just because you might be really good at something after 24 hours somebody might spend seven days on it and they might be better than you if you only spend 24 hours on it of course jason kuhn said it said it really well on one of your shows one time that like kind of the most talented player is whoever's focusing on that game at the moment amongst a group of players and then if they're all focusing on there then maybe it's just the one who's working a little bit harder at that time that person becomes the best right and you can take talent also as you know discipline and you know the way you approach life and the way you approach the game so there's definitely various different ways but it's much more fun to you know turn it into a list and see how people feel about it because obviously the most the the thing that upsets someone the most if you put a list out there that doesn't include the name of their favorite player and you know that's definitely what this did oh yeah 100 i mean people obviously we've seen in in the sports media they love debating these things that have no answer so why not why not debate it right everyone's answer is going to be different that's no one's wrong no one's right unless we line up a game and we see people compete against each other right so maybe we got to do that maybe we got to maybe we gotta line this end up and make that happen i mean all these guys are invited i mean that'd be that'd be a fun a fun conversation and a fun game to watch definitely all right here goes eastgate what the hell is he doing probably got a weak jack wow he's not sure what barry has but barry just called and barry might have a hand like a pair of tens but peter iskay thinks he could win it right here with that bet and barry doesn't like that bet that's a pretty large raise but he's not throwing ace jack away wow so dull bets 35k barry calls and then eastgate jammed or puts in 104k do doyle folds very calls tennis spades on the turn wow that gives him both flush it's a horrible great card for eastgate he checks barry's got the nut flush draw even though barry's got the top pair yeah i mean once barry calls here you obviously know he's got an incredibly strong hand so seems like barry doesn't want to see yeah this seems to be what peter's going to do here once he turns that flush draw i think he'd bet a little less yeah take a chance of maybe peter catching a king or a seven because if his spade would come so what do you think barry is thinking that peter can have here because his move in general looks extremely strong betting into doyle who's been very tight on high stakes poker and barry's calling range versus doyle's bet and then keep in mind that eastgate you know isn't known to be insane either yeah i mean that's a good question right once the guy checks there if he had a set he's probably just going to keep betting so it looks like he just has something that isn't very strong right maybe like a seven seven eight type hand i mean it's just such a very weird spot when you have ace jack there maybe he also has a shack and he might fold ace jack too there's always that possibility as well especially once peter raises two of the really tight players in the game right so i'm just curious you know if if barry should be more afraid of sets there and checking back a lot more because he has so much equity already made hand with the flush draw but of course you know i don't think eastgate's raising range on the flop there is going to include much more than you know you know some funky combos the one that he had of course but then a lot of sets and and you know worse jacks i guess or split pots maybe ace jacks right maybe you might be thinking he's getting him off a split pot there is some chance like he check raised with like two back doors type of hand like a back door flush draw back door straight rod maybe picked up a pair on the turn even though the turn was uh was a spade so he couldn't have like a 109 spades type hand yeah i mean it makes sense where peter's coming from he thinks he's been playing pretty tight and he's got a lot of full equity he does have uh an over pair an over card rather with the king and he's got the back door flush draw as well too makes sense where he's coming from but just didn't work out that's how it works sometimes right tom dwan might pull off check raise there gets through and sometimes your opponent has top pair top kicker or they have queens plus and they don't fold so exactly for the people who are new to the show and i've seen i'm seeing some comments on both platforms about this show this is run it back we are live if you have any questions please send them in about the game about the show about joey about his life about anything else that's going on please do let us know we are watching season five of high stakes poker this is episode six if you want to just watch this on poker go without us talking over it that is very much a possibility as well all seven seasons are available on poker go and season eight will be coming to poke go in the near future we are hoping that you know covet things if everything is well we can tape a show with some of your favorite players so do let us know in the chat who your favorite players are and uh if you want to see him on high sticks poker we're going to try to do our best um you know joey if if high-tech spoke ever becomes plo you know there's going to be a gofundme you're going to get in that game that's how it's going to work right uh just depends how i'm doing my life with my business so my business is going well and i'm doing well at poker i feel confident i'll definitely play right if there's a plo high stakes poker in the future and i'm in a position where uh i'm doing well then i'll i'll definitely play all right it'd be it'd i'm sure it'd be a softer game too so there'd be some players on there that are splashing around exactly big big hand here we got straddle from tom dwan to 4k benjamin raises to 20k with the nines hillary calls daniel calls and then greenstein puts in 175k with ace king these races are always so huge man i mean what else are you going to make it i mean no one ever folds to raise the 70k it seems right i mean i guess you can't make it that small i'm sure and daniel are going to be gone too that's it i mean look look how much you take down pre-flop without a flop maybe you want me that's what you want right i mean it's so crazy these spots are so big uh dragon is asking on youtube uh joey are you still crushing plo that's the big question uh i've been playing a little bit more lately it's been going pretty well kind of plo you have some big winning sessions big losing sessions it's uh it's been more winning sessions and losing sessions for me too but i'm also working on a few other things in my life as well so in the past i just played poker every single day and that was the only way i structured my business in the entire world and everything lived and died by how much i was making or losing the poker tables and now i'm trying to structure my business a little bit differently in terms of how i use my skills and how i make money and the people that i work with so i think poker is just like a very isolating thing to do for a living the way i did it and in retrospect i would have liked to have more of a team vibe and more people that were better around me to be my support system in place when i would lose my mind or when i would just be playing for long sessions and just need a break from it so i think a lot of the ways that people play professional poker is kind of unhealthy and that's what leads to a lot of professionals getting burnt out a little bit and they just might need a break or need to retool their approach and the system that they used to play but i think i'd like to just have poker be something that i go in part-time to sometimes full-time occasionally but more of like a part-time thing until i get my other businesses kind of set up in place in terms of how i want to make my money and my investments right and then from there i'll be able to play more or i'll find some soft games once in a while i'm playing those a lot so there's a lot of different ways that you can approach it these days that uh i mean make it kind of exciting to figure out right so let me ask you this um on twitter you're always very vocal about being interested in a plethora of different things you're always you know studying and soaking up information you know whether it is in the content space or elsewhere um and that sometimes makes me wonder like why don't you just tell yourself like okay i'm done with the playing aspect of poker and i'm gonna actually for maybe a month or two months or six or six months or a year dedicate myself to one of these specific outlets to see how far i can take that because you've already proven in poker both as a player and as a creator that you can do it so why not go you know head first into something else because that's what ultimately got you to where you are now in the game of poker yeah that's something i mean i'm thinking about right now remco it's a really good point right i think that for me and whenever i've made poker content for the past six seven years i always played poker so it just made it more fun more exciting more relatable more understandable when i would talk to other great players and i think lately a lot of my study has been more on the business side on the marketing side and the content side on the dealing with people side of the world which aren't necessarily as relevant for high-level public strategy or winning in poker games but yeah i mean that's a good question something i'm weighing right now and and something obviously i know to have the most success you can have it's something you have to go all in with it and focus on that 100 right so i'm aware of that and that's something that i'm really trying to figure out if that's what i want to do if that's how if that's the bar that i want to set for the goals i have for myself right so is it just a matter of interest level where like there's nothing in the world that tickles you as much as poker still does yeah man that's real interesting i think that poker is one of the best uh learning grounds for a lot of the ideas that i have with content and what i think would work and what people would like and what people would get excited about and what people would watch and there's also a lot of issues happening in the industry that i think that i can do a pretty good job of helping out so there's a lot of different reasons why i want to stay around and also i help my friends out who are trying to start poker projects as well too so there's a lot of uh there's a lot of pros out of it and there's not a ton of cons because there's always going to be the rest of the world out there for me to explore if i want to go head first into that so i'd like to stick around poker for a little while and uh see what i can do with some of my ideas i mean we're glad to have you i'm not trying to get you out of the game i mean obviously i mean you know me a little bit better than most people so it's a pretty fair questions kind of ask right and i think that for someone who has been able to build up a personal brand in the way that you have and you know we can speak for doug as well who's done it on youtube as well and then he pivoted out of poker completely and he's and he's done well in in like the real world so to say so there should be a lot of potential there as well for you because you know at the end of the day you know poker is just poker the real world is far bigger than that you know i think someone like bill perkins has spoken on that a lot of the times that you know poker is is the best hobby in the world and it's the coolest thing to play as as your as your fun thing to do but then when it comes down to it you know the game itself as you also said you know can can sometimes just have you know lots of ups and downs and be very very tough on your mind and you got to step away sometimes and it can really drag you so i'm just curious to see where you'll where you'll go joey yeah i mean you're very right like poker essentially is a business and you're a businessman when you're playing poker whether you put a lot of effort in that business or not is up to you and a lot of people don't and they don't treat it that way but once you realize like poker is a business and you study business and understand how business and finance and accounting and how these things work you start to understand well what are my strengths my strengths are maybe building a brand or being consistent or knowing a lot of people or being good at marketing or being good at creating content then you start to realize well you can you can do a lot of things with that you could either be a service to other companies or other people who want to get better at those things or you can potentially create your own product in any genre and you understand how to market and you understand how to get it in front of the people who are the possible consumers on the different platforms and you understand influencer marketing and you understand investing in talent and investing in content so once you start realizing like how you got good at something you start to understand that you can reframe that in many different industries so poker is one it's a very challenging one because it's not regulated and it's kind of wild wild west so the the best kind of business you can build theoretically from a monetary perspective is an operator and the operator are limited which is why the application sites are so popular because people can play on those application based sites and they can start their own games and be the operator and take the rake and stuff like that so there's a lot of things you kind of got to figure out in poker if you want to make a business is well what how much do you want to work what do you want to do how much do you want to make who do you want to partner with right all those things really matter so i'm just kind of taking my time to decide if poker is the place for me if not then i'll find someone else but why not i think it's a lot of fun and we got a legendary hand right here so i was going to say you know i wanted to sort of let you you know get your story done there because this is this is one of the hands if if we're doing a top 10 uh hands of all time i think this is one of them that belongs in there let's take it from the top here eastgate three and a half k barry greenstein 15k with aces there's tom dwan king queen suited one of the prettiest hands in the deck if you ask me um i mean i want to say let's see where this goes we all know where this goes but let's just see where it goes because that's the beauty of this hand is that no matter how many times you see it it's exciting every single time in this position so i'm not even going to speculate let's just watch every season you want every kid all right you get a call peter is gay might raise he might think ace king's the best stand here i mean that's a side angle that we hadn't considered yet this could have ended up being an all-in between eastgate and greenstein yeah very easily now he's just gonna call queen four deuce two spades wow wow what is it that uh francis scott key said when he was in speaking of the perfect flop bombs bursting in air rockets red glare that's what we're gonna see here in this hand tom juan's got top pair and a flush draw barry's got aces and when the hand is over let's see who remains at the dawn's early light dwan starts out with a 28 700 bet peter eastgates missed the flop i don't see him calling here and barry raises to a hundred thousand he's not gonna slow down raising with four chips making it 100k is definitely some kind of statement he hopes tom juan has a queen he doesn't want juan to have a queen and a flush drawer no which is what he has dwan is probably thinking well i can't be an underdog even if barry has an over pair actually juan would prefer barry has aces instead of kings but whatever barry has tom juan's got to go with this hand here he comes wow he's going to raise to 244 600. barry says okay he's going to put dwan all in man barry's hoping that juan has the kind of hand he has and not a set of deuces or a set of fours let's look at the percentages here for the people watching at home 50 50. just a million dollar coin flip you guys got anything that's what i figured you have i guess i could have taken the card off okay i'm gonna take those back she said are we running at once i think so right uh yeah i wanna wait i wanna run at once if you want to take a couple hundred back that's okay that's pretty easy sorry okay that is the most gangster thing tom has ever said in his whole career like he's 23 years old when this happened in case you didn't hear what he just said barry said yeah once is good with me and then he just sort of mumbles but we can take a couple hundred back and he's like no i'm good i'm just totally good with that just let's just let's just run it let's just go barry two-year-old tom juan says no deal let's play cards another queen oh wow barry's dead to the case ace tom juan wouldn't take 200 000 back unbelievable you don't want to do what i want to do run it twice i'm not going to do what you want to do no case ace tom dwan has just won the biggest hand in the history of televised poker over 900 000 in a hand with no deal 200 very very looks like he wants to wants to jump off the bridge right now remco i mean that's a huge pot in this game that deep aces to the young gun you're the older guy i think we talked about this maybe i'm on my podcast like this was a pretty big moment of his life right i mean wow i gotta have barry on this show one day to you know discuss all seven seasons painful i mean all seven seasons he played every single season of high six poker he was always running at once um and a few episodes ago they ran it once as well and barry spiked a turn this pot was a little bigger and now dwan spikes it for almost a million dollars just god it makes me feel sick yeah that's a that's a disgusting hand i mean that much money a million dollars that deep stacked you get aces versus the kid right i think about that you finally get aces against this guy you get all in he's got top pair in the flush draw immediately bing street trip cleans on you and you're just like how can this guy run so damn good against me like how can i you know what i mean i'm sure these two have played so many huge pots against each other as well at this point like they probably had a very sick dynamic so you can see barry he's just looking this looks like father son over here sitting there talking to the school teacher about his face he's just always like so casually like whatever i mean yeah uh shout out to landon tyce in the chat on youtube he says my man tom exactly we made the comparison last week landon was on the show we had a lot of fun thanks by the way landon for tuning in uh yeah you're you're you're you're idle the the guy you're aspiring to be like uh i guess as far as bankroll um shout out as well to ty schisko weber on facebook sending sending 69 stars nice really appreciate that that is awesome really appreciate that donation there um and then also stephen roach descending 100 stars on facebook appreciate that as well that is awesome reza says duan please win raza i'm glad you got to experience that because he did indeed spike the queen on the turn um that's just oh man that hand is like insane i can watch it over and over again it's just brutal yeah it's such a sick hand i mean those those two played a few pretty epic hands against each other it's crazy how epic these hands are you know it's funny if landon got a chance to play i'm sure on some high-stakes televised games you'd probably see this kid make some uh you'd probably see this kid make some very very very aggressive moves very some very big bluffs and some very big calls because the man uh yeah the guy doesn't like to fold so he doesn't like the fold he runs really well he runs like god and yeah it'd be a show i'm telling you right now we got to get him in high stakes poker i'd love to see him on there exactly that'd be awesome well landon just you know keep sharpening those pencils and keep winning money because you got some time to get the bank roll together to play a high six poker we talked about it last week he said i think he said he needed uh you know to put down maybe 40k of his own money and then maybe sell some pieces but uh yeah would be awesome if he managed to become the new tom dwan because part of being tom dawn is running really hot in televised cash games so we'll see if he can uh pull that off let's see if derrick can pull this hand off here i mean anyone can do it it stirs maybe this one yeah it is kind of those hands where all it's about who wants it more i mean in this case negrono just goes for it yeah he said the double gutter he wants to play a pot there is going to have a pretty strong hand to continue here and of course once or twice wow wow ziggy went all in daniel called immediately what you have uh what's the difference what do you have what do you have what's that what do you have i'll do it twice either way i have five seven you do you really just just drop it now then no i don't can't chop it now because i got a flush draw too i have five seven also high flush draw two [Laughter] can we rabbit hunt please what do you have you thought i may have had five six yeah i think someone said why did uh curl carol in the chat said duane putting 15k in their pre-flop i'd like to hear joey's thoughts on this i think that tom was just running really hot and uh he was up a lot of money and he said why not call him something he would make plays like that sometimes we would just call with a really marginal hand in a very marginal spot and uh yeah it was it seemed like a play i mean does he still make plays like that romco you think or do you think that that play might have been something you do when you're 23 and you're up millions of dollars and uh maybe you're on television you're trying to put on a show a little bit or do you think that he maybe doesn't do that kind of those kind of plays anymore i have i have strong thoughts on this i think that tom duan created an image for himself that a lot of the rich fun players that saw him play back in those days got so enamored with that the expectation became that whenever tom duan was in their game he was going to splash around like that as well so he almost pigeonholed himself into playing a style in which he had to be loose and aggressive and go nuts and play for stacks all the time because that was the reputation that people were sort of playing for him with like he was the he was the entertainment of the night when he sat down in some of these games so i think that this is just who tom dwan is by default because of high-stakes poker so you think that tom dwan built this this style that he made i think he probably just thought these guys were bad in some ways too and he thought he had an edge post flop against them but you think that because he did that then the fun player action seekers their expectations of tom duan when he joined their game was he was going to play that way and then if he didn't play that way they might be upset so he felt obligated to have to satisfy his customers with this sort of crazy style that he then probably still plays to this day not necessarily by choice but because he he wanted to put on a show for these people who were his customers i i think i think this goes both ways i think he still has the massive advantage playing that style against those players because they are still playing against him like oh my god i'm playing against tom duan i'm going to do something crazy myself as well so i think it is to his benefit the fact that he plays like this but i also think that you know there there is maybe you know and we know that tom juan has access to some of the best games in the world and i also know that if you come in there to sit back relax wait for ace king suited and then just break in the money and take the next train home that's not really gonna fly for years on end so i don't know there's probably some middle ground i'm probably exaggerating a little bit but wouldn't it wouldn't be fun if i was trying to be realistic here but let's just say that that's real possibility right joey or am i completely out of line here no i mean i think i think you're pretty right and also he probably plays in games where everyone plays he's crazy hands so theoretically he should have more experience playing these uncomfortable pre-flop hands that other people would get a lot of trouble with but at the same time your variance is going to ramp up extremely high when you're calling three bets with nine five suited so even though you might be able to out maneuver your opponents and have an edge post slap against them with bad hands you're just gonna run into it too often so when you play these marginalian preflop you you're going to find yourself in a lot of bad spots and if you run bad you're going to lose a lot of money right so i imagine that this has brought him on many many downswings over his career and he's also brought him on some massive upswings so it kind of depends on right maybe you can balance that style well and you could turn up the heat and you can make these splashy plays and you could give off a loose image when you need to but uh i mean it's the cost of cost of opportunity almost this is a big one too by the way yeah i mean this is such a sick turn card right here you win i mean daniel ran so bad on these shows it's just yeah it's nuts that hand like sums it up right the guy calls me jack six turns a six i egg that that's sums up daniel's running high stakes poker ran so bad yeah and that's it for him he's walking off um let me let me put a hypothetical to you joey if tom dwan had gotten crushed the way daniel got crushed on high-stakes poker would that have altered his career uh i think it would have altered the perception i mean we always think of daniel negrando as one of the top tournament players of all time and we don't necessarily rate his cash game skills maybe that high but i think it's just because he lost on these shows and he was probably equally as great at his strategy at hold him at held him cash games in some ways but it's just hard to really know so it's like what are you really basing his play off of all you can base it off of is the results and if you see the guy run bad and walking out the door losing money a few times then yeah in your mind you just think oh this guy's like a losing player when in reality he did run pretty shitty on these shows right matthew on face on facebook thanks so much for the shout i'm glad you're enjoying the conversation um lots of names in there that i'd love to shout out anoka james um luke johnny raza uh lots of people with us still i really appreciate you guys if you guys have any questions please let us know taj carroll is saying this is from about 15 years ago um it is probably from 2009 right after peter eastgate won the main event so we are reviewing some old footage of high stakes poker but you know the fun's not going to be any less because this is some stuff that most of you guys at home and at least for myself i haven't seen in a very long time so it is awesome to go through that and we have you know quite a few more hands left to be played so don't go anywhere and please if you enjoy this content only and only if you enjoy if you don't like it you know it's fine too but if you enjoy it please hit the like button it really means a lot and subscribe to the channel do all that good stuff it really is helpful um coming up on running back next week we have reiner kempi breaking down the 2016 super high roller ball final table that he managed to win that's going to be a long show there's a lot of hands that were played hellmuth was in the game there that's the iconic moment where fader holds in phil hellmuth shake hands and fedor says hi phil my name is fedor and then they shake hands and phil hellmuth says hi my name is phil just one of my favorite moments uh in in tournament history and then next week on thursday we're gonna have more high stakes poker breakdowns we'll continue season five so if you're enjoying season five we're going to watch some more of that all right ben you mean pocket nines make it at 16 k after uh duane had called um i believe the straddle with ace three suited um we got three reaction again 50k in the middle 50k in the middle doesn't even sound like a lot when you're watching this game i don't know anything not if you see like a million dollar podcast yeah yeah yeah none from you we just changed it yeah maybe maybe maybe yeah i don't tell you anything he's on 800. wait till after the pot wait for the pot i don't know i know i know i don't tell you anything it's weird that i wouldn't have it in my phone so you might not win i don't know i don't know we are even that's too cool i just guaranteed the money to bury okay hold on let me also say this for the people who are wondering what the hell is going on clearly you know someone had given hillary with cash to sit down in this game because he's from finland he travels all over the world to sit down the money has to come from somewhere but who paid for it paid for it who vouchs for it who made the note on their phone you know joey how much money has gotten lost over the years between these interactions that weren't written down or someone forgot who gave the money to who and like all that sort of stuff millions of dollars this happens all the time where people it's very casual it doesn't doesn't make sense if you're not used to it but it's very casual when you play a lot of these games with players regularly people borrow money thousand dollars ten thousand fifty thousand and normally the big markers people are gonna be on top of but you find some players who are quite aloof when they do this and they don't track their stuff properly they might not remember and it seems like tom duane is maybe one of those people who was a little bit more aloof with some of the figures that he was owed and he had a lot of money he was young he didn't take it very seriously so i would imagine he had a lot of money lost in transition possibly right in his career it's so crazy i think you're right how many should i give you 400 he's like how much did they give you 400 like we're not talking dollars guys we're not talking 400. i don't know this is incredible yeah that seems about right because i think i brought about one point two since i left doyle there was a lot of fireworks he says i think that's right i brought about 1.2 just 23 year old kid landon are you watching are you paying attention this is definitely going to be landing 920. and now benjamin betts 38 000. there's a mystique about david benjamin that people do not want to be bluffed by him david has played it very solid and peter eastgate calls rather quickly here 38 000 with a pair of nines now the eight on the river that eight benjamin had quads a few episodes ago and daniel gave him all this money i don't know what it is about benjamin but people just don't want to don't he had a really he had a really really good aggressive reputation back in this time too he'd go on a lot of swings that are very high online and he'd be playing a lot of hands as well too plus he's french so maybe there's just something about french people that like to play a lot of hands i don't think of french people is very tight myself but maybe you do remco i don't know the french are loose that's that's what i've been taught that's what i'm saying right the guy's acts and he starts talking you just assume that this guy's a little bit more out of line than maybe he normally is it's a it's a very fair point when i first played poker in france that was the game raising seven callers let's see a flop let's go you played you played a lot of poker in france before not a lot but when i traveled the tour um i went to the unibit open quite a few times back in the south of france and nice and i dabbled in some cash games there you know i'm i'm a i'm a bum you know i play one one two uh but still one two euro can get out of hand and i guess i don't think that's being a bum i don't know i was like uh yeah he skate the time he decides to call down he gets he hits uh he sees the full house of course uh for the people that are watching and we have quite a few uh do let us know where you're watching from um i believe last week we had the most international crowd i've ever seen i think we were at every single continent represented except for antarctica and we had um lots of different states represented as well so i'm kind of curious if we're if we're up there again on the late night show here because i know for many people around the world this is not the time to be awake so let's see if we have any international viewership today on the show i really would much appreciate it if you guys let us know where you're watching from and if you're enjoying the show don't forget to hit that like button um dora brunson by the way uh joey when he plays in high stakes poker or poker after dark he just sits there he's tight and whenever he gets a hand he gets paid do you think that's how he made his bread and butter through the 60s the 70s and the 80s and 90s or do you think this is just you know old doyle and he slowed down a little bit i had i've always wondered that too right i just assumed that he's probably placed similar to barry where he was very tight but very aggressive when he came in i think we just saw him happen to play pretty tight on these shows so yeah i imagine he wasn't that tight maybe what i i just i find it hard to believe he's that tight but right you can see the country's coming in there people from all over the place turkey there we go we got giant antarctica out there i mean there's two people from arc allegedly 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kelly thinks he got real lucky wow peter eastgate is poker hard right now remco the guy leads into you you got 6'4 [Laughter] and it's funny that like eastgate is probably wondering like what what could elle even have but doesn't matter i have a boat yeah he's just confused he's looking at his hand to make sure it's right 188 700 bucks and peter eastgate looked at ellie it was a very good look right after you bet the money like really sick spot for elliot wow can we get rid of the straight here joey is that even a possibility i mean i don't know this is uh what would this guy ever be raising you with here right he's basically telling he's got a full house like what is he bluffing here with you might think it's too strong to fold but i hope that peter eastgate's making him move i do this with just three sixes for value maybe right i mean this is tough i can't see many hands that would shove here that'll do it not the news you want to see remco this this is one of the sort of i don't know most under the radar massive pots on high stakes poker i did not remember this at all escape winning at 400k pot in my memory he was just losing and losing and losing but i guess that's because duan kept putting him in the blender and now he takes some money from eliza uh shout out by the way to all the people watching from all over the world we've got nepal in the house from lekhan subedi i appreciate you watching we got kentucky in the house daniel murphy i think daniel watches all the time i appreciate that robert is saying watch for macedonia speak if you know where it is well i know the capital is scopia so i definitely know where that is i'm european i'm from the netherlands i know where every place is iceland in the house um we got austra australia i appreciate that it's early in the morning it's coffee time in australia 10 a.m probably somewhere in that part of town we got matthew from texas in the house as well international crowd once again i appreciate it romans is saying eastgate quit poker yes he did i texted him a couple of weeks ago because i wanted to watch the 08 main event final table with him and he said sorry i've talked about it too many times i'm i'm over it i'm out so no eastgate on this show however i texted jerry yang we might have jerry yang on the show to watch the ocean what did jerry yang say he hasn't responded yet so i'm about to follow up and see if we can love that guy man legend of the world series poker exactly we got korea in the house we had croatia in the house so many countries in the house all right we got also got some some cards here in the house we got we got we got some room to grow here for eliza with a specific kind of turn card that's not it you stole it mexico baby shout out to mexico out there in the chat oh yeah it really is diverse crowd watching around here remco i appreciate it and also to uh to your friend from norway um from tronds he's a big fan of yours tron i hope you can become a fan of mine subscribe to the channel twice a week run it back we're live we've got all the biggest names in the game of course none bigger than joe ingram himself but um i appreciate you guys all joining me for this show today yeah i think i think the show is great because you get to see get to hear from a lot of people that you haven't heard from in a long time which i think is really cool you know what i mean like you get people that that they don't do like data might not want to do an interview but they'll want to watch some some high-stakes poker especially a show that they played on yeah and the coolest part was having you know greg ramer and chris moneymaker and joe hashem relive their final tables from back in the day and really you know hear their stories from what that was like and you know that's such a long time ago it's awesome that we sort of documented their stories uh from from those uh from those years um duan by the way has zero credibility in this game and ellie does not want to ever fold against him but you know there's not much to gain in this spot and he does give him he does have the two pair with the king right it is it shouldn't should be a good hand again beats all the blobs all right fernando has breached the subject on facebook joey um who you got negrono or polk this is something that's been out there in the world um i think this conversation will pick up again when daniel's back in the u.s and and online is calming down a little bit but there is a proposed um heads-up type grudge grudge match that that may or may not happen in the near future um give me your thoughts on it yeah i think that i'm gonna go with uh with doug on this situation just because it seems like he's gonna have more preparation although daniel's playing a lot of poker on gg he's also playing the tournament format he's playing different games i know he's going to have some good trainers and good resources he's using to better his game i know he's going to put up a good talk he's going to put up his underdog right you know you can't deny that he doesn't deny that doug has been playing a lot he's studying he said he wants to back up the truck right he's coming to back the truck up against uh against daniel so i would just say that doug's the favorite upsets do happen but i think daniel's gonna need to get off to a hot start but he's gonna be fresh he's gonna be playing he's gonna be in the groove anything's possible ramco what do you think well what i'm mostly curious about is is this once and for all no matter who wins we're gonna put the bet this sort of you know online i don't know i mean i thought i thought that at the time like when i was proposing the challenge and these two play but maybe they don't maybe something said during it maybe not i wish they would i wish they'd both get over it right i want to go back to you know being a fan of both of these guys i've always been friends with doug so i'm on i'm on doug's side i support doug but we're going to see what happens right i hope it goes away i hope it stops i hope they stopped talking [ __ ] to each other but people find it so entertaining from like a media perspective in a content perspective that you know the fans get a little think get something to be excited about too which is cool exactly um let us know in the chat which side are you on team dog or team daniel um that heads up match is obviously going to be a lot of fun to watch as we are jumping into a new lineup joey we're switching it up we got we got one more episode left here we got a new lineup we see phil laak patrick antonius antonio esfandiari i love america mr america himself oh howard howard he's he's not very well liked oh boy we got joe hashem in the house which is awesome we got um sam simon we got sam simon r.i.p um with us here in the in the at the edible and nick casavetti's uh negrono is back so nick nick casavetti is a famous uh video film producer he lives in l.a played a lot in the home games antonio was like peak antonio right now that big watch look at that watch remco wow that is the biggest watch face i've ever seen in my entire life that's just insane we had patrick he never said much he always seemed to wear a button-up shirt phil laak the the classic character in his hoodie the mr unabomber sam simon who i've never actually seen i don't remember any hands he played on the show and then uh we had howard letter who at the time what do we know him as he was just like a guy who was on a world series poker once in a while well i don't think i really associated him a ton with full tilt poker i really didn't even know he was involved with photo poker that much until the whole entire situation went down but i just always remember him from espn shows and he was always like a part of the crew so i just didn't know but i didn't know what's on the bottom at the time he was always in all the commercials of full tilt team full tilt and he was known as the professor that was like his his nickname yeah yeah i remember that now okay yeah um but yeah howard back then still had a great reputation you know we're long past that station um with that enormous full-time poker uh screw-up that he's never um he's never apologized for i believe and never really made up for either so uh pokerstars build him out and uh then all of a sudden showed up back at the world series of poker but please stay home howard we don't need you at the world series of poker um yeah i mean you know anytime you're responsible for for poker players losing hundreds of millions of dollars and and kind of doing that to community and upending people's lives and we don't really know who's responsible for that or what took place if it's irresponsibility in terms of how they how they corresponded with the banks and right they allegedly purchased the bank and that wasn't i wasn't allowed to be able to do that so it'd be nice to kind of know what took place there what happened to the money for the player's sakes and yeah it sucks that these guys just kind of dropped off the face of the earth maybe maybe maybe me or you can kind of get an interview with them and maybe get some answers 10 years later and figure out what the hell happened there huh yeah that'd be awesome i mean a little bit of closure when you think about it you know we're coming up on april 2021 10 years since black friday happened maybe you and i joey should combine forces and see if we can you know get some sit-downs going with these guys that's what i'm saying right maybe ferguson wants to talk or ray batar is interested in kind of telling his story and i i mean obviously from their perspectives they might not want to bring attention to the situation now because we've already gone past like no one's talking about it people only have bad blood so they might feel like what's there for me to gain by coming out and talking about my story to the community but i know the community would greatly appreciate it so right yeah it's very true one more thing i want to mention sam simon i did not remember him um you know being a vocal point of high-stakes poker but it's really awesome to see him here on the show loved the game of poker played at the wsop um was you know was with jennifer tilly for a long time uh sadly has passed away uh back in 2015 um tremendous guy did a lot for charity um off top my head was involved with a lot of animal charities um so amazing guy never had a chance to meet him but it's cool to see him here on high-stakes poker and it makes it makes running back you know even more cool to look back on because you know we forget about these moments and it's really cool that they're out there um so glad glad to be able to do this that's pretty awesome yeah i agree i think this is really cool just kind of go back and relive the poker history see the guys who were the big ambassadors at the time the legends of the game at the time too you know what i mean i think it's i think it's really it's a really cool concept really cool show let's see if we can uh catch some big hands here because i'm kind of curious if someone like cassavetes is going to mix it up a little bit yeah i remember i mean i didn't mix it up too much in these and you know these guys probably were playing they're like playing with the the greats at the poker at the time at poker you know what i mean so i think these guys are probably a little bit intimidated by uh i mean antonio esfandiari dana grano patrick antonius phil laak i mean i beat you're an amateur remco you'd probably be a little freaked out by this lineup behind you if you're nick cassavetes i i would bring the kind of money that i would like to set on fire and then just and then just have fun with that um that would be it probably um let me ask you this high stakes duel round one um esfandiari got beat by phil hellmuth now we got round two coming up you know give me your thoughts on the concept and you're in your sort of preview for round two you know which obviously you know has to happen soon because you want to see if uh hellmuth can can you know run the table on esfandiari there i think it's a fun show i mean people obviously are interested in it they want to see these people poker players talk that they know so if you know phil hellmuth and you know antonio's feniari which a lot of long time poker american fans know those guys i think that's like it's like porn for them in some ways so i think the concept's great i think the show went down well i think the branding was very nice and i think a lot of people out there are excited to see them to play like people just like watching poker i think that's what it comes down to they want to watch poker they want to see people that they know they want to hear players talk they they want to hear commentators who can provide an entertaining experience so i think the concept of the show was really good i think people are excited to see the next one and and go on from there to see who else steps up to the play to compete 200k match between esfandiari and hellmuth after seeing round one i just cannot imagine what esfandiari will try to get under hellmuth's skin which obviously as we all know is not very hard but antonio is particularly good at doing so um joey antonio's table persona let's let's talk about that for a second here how do you feel about the way he handles himself and how he always managed to get the upper hand in side bets and he sort of talks his way into the game he's tight but he talks aggressive which means that people might have the wrong idea of how he really plays so give me your perception on antonio i think he's built like a real nice career for himself here and he's made a lot of friends and he sort of like knew a lot of these things about who you know and the players that you play with the networking the going out to dinner with certain players or befriending certain players like he he was sort of on to that idea long before i think a lot of players were or really talked about it so yeah i mean people want to be around someone who's personable and who's talking who's making bets who has stories who isn't super boring who's willing to give action so i think he's got one of the best live poker personas that that you could kind of aspire to have in some ways if you want to play in really high-stakes games against a variety of players do you think that people watching this show what no matter what level they play on but do you think people watching this show can learn from someone like antonio as far as table presence or is what he does too complicated and maybe too confusing for someone to apply themselves if they're trying to play their best game i think that's what it is it's really hard to be talking and talking [ __ ] to people or needling people or making bets it's really hard to stay on top of your game when you do that so it takes time to build up that persona and also understand how people are going to adjust against you differently because i know when i play a lot of plo and i'm talking a lot at the table certain players are going to play against you completely different just because you're talking a lot so that takes experience to be able to read okay who can i who's who's coming after me a little bit harder than normal potentially or who's maybe playing a little bit tighter who's maybe playing a little bit scared and you always have to kind of worry about that too but when you're playing as like a really talkative aggressive player like that and you seem like you're given a lot of action you never know how someone's going to adjust you so i think once you get good at understanding how people are adjusting to you then you can do really really well i mean yeah he probably does really really well in the poker game season probably finds a lot of opportunity from people as well and yeah he's got a nice setup going on so can you can you talk and play and and and be focused on two things at once definitely yeah i think i've played enough poker and played enough plo specifically that yeah i've gotten a lot better at that i worked at that though when i played i just went there talked a lot and yeah i tried to actively get better at figuring out okay how do you play this style but still focus on how the game's playing because you're talking you're not paying attention or people are doing so it can be very distracting so you're also missing information but you're also not deeply thinking about your own play so you're missing free information that's out there so it's an art you can kind of talk and follow action see what's happening ask questions like the table talk as a whole it's a whole part of the game of poker that i think is going to become more of a quality you need to have as the high stakes games become more like a private experience right that's that's a very good point you know being fun to play with is is part of you know what makes you a good player in the sense that you know being a good player is also about more than just you know being able to play the cards um letter making it 3k flat calling with the jax after an early position raised from letter uh joey the first thing that comes to mind is are we watching a different form of poker compared to the last hour that we saw well i think i think joe hashem was he was a world series poker champion so i don't know if he was a very experienced super high stakes player i imagine he came on here he found out there were two recreational players in the game and he just wanted the experience so playing a little bit more conservative against someone who's known to have a tighter reputation at the table doesn't seem like the worst play right like kind of erring on the side of caution versus wanting to put the pedal to the metal plus this could have been the start of the session he might not have wanted to get stacked so there's a lot of factors to kind of take into account in terms of why he might slow play a hand like this i was more so taking a light jab at the fact that we just saw you know four-way pre-flop hands 20k a pop with nine seven off and four deuce and now we're watching uh premium pocket pairs which is a very very different realm um how do we feel about this though litterer makes the flush checks the hashem and hashem goes for a stab here um you know is hashem going to go two streets with bluffs does do do the jacks have any showdown value left like how do we feel in this spot i think that this probably shows why he probably didn't play a ton of high stakes cash games i think that's maybe what this shows right right also he might just be assuming that howard might have might have bet the flop with a top pair and now he's just going to give up so maybe he thinks he's just folding enough here too so it might not be a standard conventional type of play but i mean he's only about what he bet half but what did he bet one third pot or something like that a little less than one third pot a little more in one third pot or something like that so yeah and later i don't know what the hell is happening here why why would you check raise why would you not just i got i got no idea maybe he thinks that this small i don't have no idea i don't know i can't even fathom to understand what the hell he's doing here i think both both alternate i can't even like fathom to figure this to try to think maybe he thinks that this guy bet very small with a weak flush trying to get a free showdown i mean i don't know what is going on in this hand oh my god his hand's not over wow this what what are we what are we watching here okay let me just say that if letter just bets the turn normally that that's probably you know totally fine if you check calls it's totally fine and then he goes for the check raise which probably third on the ranking as far as your options on the turn right wow what a hand what a play i mean listen maybe the guy's a god right who knows what hold on did he just fold i would not think that joe had is this real i don't know what happened that happened that was uh without his face that was dicey right there that was dicey i'm sorry but i take it all back joe hashtag i mean what could the guy really what's the guy check raising small there with that he didn't bet it does kind of look full of [ __ ] doesn't it the guy c-bets flop check raises small on the turn it kind of looks like that he's full of it there i mean that's just a very what is howard doing with a ten high flush is he like check raising it for info on the turn like what are you doing i'm like lost i'm i'm legit lost can someone in the chat please explain to me what i just watched i am i don't think joe hashem is going to re-raise him there without a very strong spade right so you can kind of understand howard's thought process there he checked raised small it looked like joe had a weak hand maybe i don't know if it makes sense i mean listen when you own the poker side buddy you make [ __ ] weird plays like that right remco wow you're check raising with the 10 the 10 spades in your hand you own the poker site you lose the money whatever you go you go check your piece and see how it's doing in the business that is incredible that is one of the most forgotten interesting weird hands that i've seen uh as far as this old high-stakes poker stuff i'm legit blown away every single move that that those players made on the turn were not what i would have done and not to say that i'm a good player but that is just very funny that's a common misconception people have is that sometimes people just want to have a good time and they want to make a bluff and if they get called they don't really care like they it's all about the big blinds it's not about the money to these people and they just want to make plays and mix it up and i think there's such an over obsession on what the right play is or what the good play is or perfect play is that there isn't enough there's not enough emphasis put on the excitement of just kind of doing whatever you want to do like making a random play because you think the guy's full of [ __ ] it's gonna work right i think a lot of those plays used to get praise before but now like people look down on plays like that because they don't think that they're they think that the only way to play poker is to make the right play when in reality you can do whatever you want to do and i think what makes a lot of fun is that you can take pocket jacks there and re-raise and bluff the guy off that like that's what makes the game fun but there isn't enough emphasis put on that and it's all about all right i gotta do this according to this and this and that like the nerds sort of like uh they made poker a little bit unexciting because whenever they come on they're always just like breaking things down from how things should be every single time and they think that they know everything about every single hand because they can see the cards so i think uh you know plays like that are what we should be celebrating as well too because it's a fun play i was celebrating it because i enjoyed that a lot more than most of the poker that we've seen tonight because it was so out of control and it was so crazy and i think that that is part of the beauty of high stakes poker and the fact that i was blown away by it just goes to show how much fun that hand was to watch but yeah i mean you're spot on there with what you said i think that we are putting too much of an emphasis on perfect play i think that we lose sight of how fun and exciting the game can be um however howard and joe clashing on the turn you know two two stone-faced guys you know usually known for a bit of a tight aggressive style you know i would not necessarily call their playing styles to be that exciting but this hand was very exciting and the way it was played was definitely not in in any of the books that uh that i that i read back in the day i mean i think it needs to be in book i think that's like this this very common misconception is that everyone needs to play poker to win and needs to play poker to do well and and i just don't think that's true and i think that the message that a lot of people have been putting out there is just it's it's scared away a lot of players because they think oh if i'm not playing well like i'm gonna get put down you know like a player comes on and he makes some fun plays because he doesn't give a [ __ ] and then you get made fun of by a bunch of dorks who are like oh what is he doing with the third pair there right like the guy's just trying to have a good time he doesn't care as much as you care you care about these things a lot more than they care about it this isn't a professional league this isn't their career this isn't their business this isn't their life like they're just going on there to have a good time this isn't like the nba finals it's just a bunch of people sitting around playing poker some are really good some aren't very good but any of them still have a chance in any hand and i think we kind of got away from that and we went way too far the other side where like everyone's got to be perfect every time and let's talk about the perfect play and every single time and right there's not enough just entertainment i think so mike sexton did well right talking shout out to mike sexton but he was always able to bridge that gap and i think the best commentators are able to bridge that gap between letting the the regular kind of player understand how the game works and not always putting place down for why people made it oh 100 agree with you that's that's definitely true um we got his fandiar here with the race hashem with the call hash him not really three betting a lot we don't see a lot of aggression from him which i was sort of in my mind i always have hashem as an aggressive player uh but he definitely played the koi here before the flop i i hope i hope we we did see him with those pocket jacks take it to the streets so that was pretty aggressive i thought that is very aggressive i was hoping cassavetes would get wild there with the four suited i highly encourage raising with suit of cards that's one of my favorite plays you like to rate you like to raise with suit of cards i'm a big fan of suit of cards putting it out we'll remember that when we all play when we play with you i play my flush draws very aggressively just so everyone like daniel put in 200 000 earlier in the match you like to do that you just put your stack in there with the flush draw exactly i'm a flush draw player what can i say not a big fan of the straight draw i'm a flush draw guy nothing wrong with that exactly uh cormac is saying that we're silly and that this is ridiculous that we're talking about these hands well isn't that part of the fun how ridiculous this is how cool this is that we have the ability to watch some of this stuff i think a lot of people are having quite a bit of fun with this so tom carrillo is saying hey remco is gabe going to be back for the new high-stakes poker well yeah to be honest i would love to know as well gabe if you're watching please let me know i don't know honestly i don't know season 8 of high stakes poker is coming to poker go i do know that and i do know that a lot of stuff is being done behind the scenes my my my mentor and my friend maurice candani of course behind the scenes working you know as hard as possible to get all that stuff together and i'm pretty sure that he has gabe's phone number so we'll have to wait and see uh about high stakes poker season eight but i'm hopeful that it's gonna be some of the most exciting poker that you've ever seen because obviously it's 20 20. we've got some we've got some big bank rolls and some big stacks and some big names that we want to invite um perfect i'm just excited about this i don't even like brent hanks and moria escandani are like the dream team as far as putting lineups together and getting all that stuff going so i have all the faith in the world in these guys i hope so i hope they put on some some great games i think the players are ready for it man the fans are ready to watch it exactly we've been watching these we were watching these live streams for so long we're ready to we're ready to watch some uh some nice high quality content man exactly um on the on the subject of of season eight of high-stakes spoken joey who who do you think um should be on there from the newer wave of players we all know the classic names but are there any limitless man we got to get limitless we got it we got to fly him over from where wherever uh russian penthouse he's in to come play that game man you know we got to get some exciting personalities on there some people that players want to see that are making a name for themselves that are currently battling in the high stakes games as well too all the boring guys that sit there and don't say anything right maybe they got another maybe there's another show for those guys to play on remco i think we gotta get maybe a little bit more uh selective of the lineups right people ideally know each other there's like a blend together a little bit yeah that'd be ideal what about what do you think i think i think matching the personalities and and getting people together that are comfortable with each other is is a big a big thing like for instance i'm just going to name a side street if michael phelps wanted to play on high stakes poker you put bill perkins and antonio in the game because those are his friends those are the people he's comfortable playing with i think that is a a good way to approach it if you get the right combination of personalities that know each other then you're going to have the best game yeah i see what you're saying ramco i agree that's ideal right like that's what makes a lot of these shows good is you see the people play regularly together with each other and they build camaraderie there's needling there's jabbing like if the players don't know each other then you end up at a table or no one's talking because one person may be trying to force the conversation and that could go well sometimes and other times it can go really bad right by the way shout out to sam simon who just casually folded the pocket jacks to a raise from nick cassavetes on the seven seven flop he knew he knew right away um let me go to the bathroom real quick a couple hours into this bad boy okay let's do it i'm going to go keep rolling and play some of this audio all right we got nick's casa that he's talking that might not be you know let's see what he has to say how to play and uh that hasn't changed too much dude he wrote bloke can we just talk about that the guy wrote blow one of the great he wrote blow right you wrote bro yeah that guy right there so sick i started going down to the casino i live in moscow classic antonio they're talking about nick cassavetes for the people in the chat if you have any questions for joey you know please send them in we got high stakes poker here rolling season five we got quite a few more big hands still to come and clearly we got lots of excitement building in the chat on both facebook and youtube about the upcoming season eight of high stakes poker um let's see if we can you know get some more epic hands to play here on this show um sam simon just fold buck jacks pretty impressive fold there by him on the 7-7 flop um joey good to have you back obviously thank you i'm good to be back obviously people are excited about some some watching some new poker right especially with kovid's kind of taking out all the live poker so i think people are starving for it they've been watching people with these live streams they want to see some real life people man yeah it's definitely weird do you think that we're at all close to i don't know live tournaments like do you think it's even possible this year still uh well they're doing live tournaments in uh in king's casino i know they're out there there's some live tournaments here at the mid stakes poker what is it mspt right so they're doing some tournaments phoenicians doing tournaments uh will they'll be like event style tournaments where there's production involved probably not doesn't seem that way but we're still early you never know what happens right you never know what goes on here in vegas and potentially numbers get better i try to disconnect myself whenever i think about poker i disconnect myself from what's happening in the real world out there in terms of uh the lockdown and what's happening all the different countries out there and what might happen here in the future so i try not to think too much about it when i think about poker but um obviously poker is coming back at some point in time so yeah they'll be poker content in the future they'll be live poker back in the future people won't be wearing masks forever so yeah i'm pretty optimistic and i think when it comes back it's going to be people are going to be really excited to play exactly that's what i'm excited about man i'm excited about cassavetes right now he's raises with 7-6 off i hope he gets creative here against this fandiari who three bet same with the jack five off so you can see you mentioned before antonio was like a tighter player but this is what he does against recreational players he gives a lot of action he doesn't mind three bet in the jack five talks to him kind of sees where they're at he like he that's this is what he does man this is what makes him i think really good do you will you make that bet with me if i show you a card he's in the movie on a free road oh he's on the movie my word is my bomb yeah you're going to be i'm in your movies i'm going to be in the movies finally yes i'm going to be in the movies daniel can i be your driver so now show me your both cats yeah show me just just show them away now show them both guards because i can't show them both yeah this one no no that's not the one that was the other one oh that one that wins that's good that was good enough good enough show them the jack and you're in the movies show them both cards and you'll never work in this town again nice hand sir thank you i can tell you we did play a game the other day that was fun we gotta we gotta have a fact checker out there watching the show trying to see if antonio made any appearances in nick cassavetes productions because otherwise he still owes him one i love that that's genius for a couple rounds one round at least let's do a rough deal i mean why would you show both every hand let's play seven deuce why not you know we played the other day seven news and six deuce what do we have the winner shows what he had how about the end everyone turns out it's a great game if you haven't let's get to see him we might as well too everybody pays you a thousand okay i can't play the seven deuce game why not because i used this no i bluffed with the seven dudes and now it works but now it now doesn't work as well oh come on howard tony shut up i'm trying to get the seven deuce game on but that is the lamest argument against the seven dudes game i've ever heard joey seven deuce game good for the game best for the game i think it's great i don't know man isn't a lot of fun like creates a lot of action you never know what's going on you might get bluffed in some spots and that really hurts but i'm sure that some players do really well with the seven deuce game and other players really hate it but if you're like a good player and a good game and you're already going to win money because people are playing loose like you probably don't want the seven deuce game so but i'm sure like other players like getting professionals out of their comfort zone too so then they're gonna like the seven dudes game you know what i mean right because if sometimes if you're kind of have an advantage over someone else and figure out new game type which is something we talked about earlier then uh right you're gonna be able to do well so maybe some of these bad players the weaker players don't necessarily know how to balance their their ranges that well when they're bluffing seven dudes so for better players it's actually better that they're bluffing more often and uh probably gives you an advantage so i would probably want to have the seven deuce game on if i was a good player playing texas hold him exactly on the subject of antonio's playing style he just three bet with six four off suit hash him called out of position with ace king six six deuce on the flop what more can you ask for yeah that's um also let me ask you this is there a seven deuce um variant that applies to plo or is pl sometimes we play like if you have quads in your hand which is just hard to get though so maybe trips in your hand you could play some version like that too but if i ever get quads in my hand playing plo i'm just taking it to the street i'm i'm at least seeing the flop so i can try to bluff my blockers of course there's actually a guy named yorubu who's from brazil a long-time plo player he would always try to bluff his blockers and then post the hands on the forums and everyone get excited and he definitely lost a lot of money in some big pots when he kept doing that so he was like a guy that took that idea a little bit too far i think that's funny i always respect the guys who are willing to go after it at all costs not my wife you can see antonio a little bit here in position for he bets a tighter player especially someone uh who doesn't have that much experience maybe playing the higher stakes cash game so you can see antonio's willing to mix it up against certain players he's not always playing like a really tight style right and then he makes some profit to do some push-ups and you know he collects some extra money on the side which uh obviously it's part of the hustle too he also he also invented the lawden's lawden thinks uh with phil laak and johnny lawton at the world series poker europe i believe back in 2007 or eight um that game really took off and became sort of a staple of of live games is that still a thing uh joey yeah i think it's like a good thing if you liked prop ed and kind of get people out of their comfort zone and anytime you can do these bets the table it just creates more action for the game because people see each other betting some people get stuck they want to play more hands so anytime you can do something like that that creates that sort of environment at the table it just gets people drinking gets them excited it gets them having a good time i think that's the kind of ideal live poker situation that you want to have and also if you're an experienced prop better like antonio is you pick up a lot of possible equity in your bets right so you get to make extra money on the betting side of things why would you not play live and things why would you not try to encourage people to play that as much as you can exactly um as nightfall starts to roll into las vegas and my natural sunlight which creates this beautiful scenery um is is uh fading out of my small little apartment um it's getting a little bit dark over here we are still watching season five of high stakes poker if you enjoy the show please don't forget to like this video subscribe to the channel every single wednesday by the way on both youtube it's getting dark over there oh you're right are you doing any nighttime bike rides i know that you're big in the bike i don't know people know that you're becoming a bike a biking influencer on instagram with your beautiful photos and your long bike rides i am trying to be as fit as i can be and it's going pretty well but yeah what i was going to say is that everything every every wednesday on youtube and facebook we have the top five wsop main event hands we are into 2015 we got 16 17 18 and 19 coming up in the coming weeks so if you do love the world series of poker check out those top fives and please i made them i put them together let me know how wrong i was and remind me and remind me of the hands that i missed out on in the comments because i do read all of those and i'm curious to see if you guys found any more hands by the way next week will kasoof just be just just str strap in for the wilka stuff experience because he was he was very very big part of 2016 and then just can you could not make a top five hands without check your privilege it's just part of the part of the hand well legend of the world series poker definitely made the 2016 main event uh very colorful um we've got a lot of brazil in the chat right now really appreciate that yeah that's awesome um sam simons phil laak going head to head with uh the old 10 high someone said what happened to sam abernathy she's still on instagram right now she's still she's still out there doing a lot of things very creative creative person i think she got married and she knows a lot of people got a little opportunity out there so doesn't need to grind poker as much all the time she doesn't want to right got it we got a pot brewing here yeah sam simon mix it up with 10-4 off suit and flop the open-ended straight draw i think this is bad news for sam simon the brick this is of uh amateur playing against a professional it's all in free [ __ ] yes well locke knows that sam simon did not want to see that ace of diamonds do any tap you want me is there a cap you like yeah sam re-raised with kings or queens or now he's in a pretty bad spot so phil laak is is paying attention to that yeah definitely that's a big one for phil laak continues to talk and go way over 78. i lost like 300 300 word 87 he's over cover's counting i knew he would say more than 78 words he was way over 78. they i guess they prop bet on how many words patrick would say for the entire session the line was set at 78 which is a great lot of things question but in this case it was actually a real bet which is even funnier um that was really funny um we got yeah for people in chat who are wondering on tuesday no that's that's going to be uh next wednesday the top five hands from the 2016 main event will go soon makes an appearance in that check your privilege guys come on let's stay with the game um next week on tuesday by the way rounder kempi on the show watching 2016 super high rollable final table that's going to be quite something a lot of big hands to break down from that final table um sam simon just got caught and i guess uh lost with the same hand that phil laak had who was more aggressive there's hashem again wow this guy keeps picking up hands let's see if he can make some magic happen with the kings here so you're not going to have wilka soon i don't think so no i i the problem with that is is that i would not need my microphone i could just i could just go have lunch and he'll just talk for four hours if you and will i could see i could see you and wilka soothby and uh he wouldn't you wouldn't get much words in for sure he's uh unstoppable as some would say yeah that guy's a big talker man definitely yeah i haven't seen him and i've been talking in a few years so uh-oh thanks for hashem see if joe lays his hand down here with that nice uh sweater over the button i'm sure i like that look yeah you full you fold [Music] the cuffs i don't know the cuffs yeah i mean we we imagine seeing him with that look these days right i mean now he's like now he's wearing the tank tops all the time and he has gone like full tank top mode here it seems like i mean maybe he was inspired by you joey you think so maybe he's a few years behind i mean i used to wear tanked ups all the time on my content now now not as much anymore but you're right maybe he was inspired by those old episodes i did with my tank top on it pleases me that i heard a chip fall just now i'm like i'm like shuffling chips as we speak it's just i'm shuffling chips too i can't i just i love that i gotta i got a whole stack here so it's uh let's see if we have a taker if you're watching this at home and shuffling chips please let me know because i feel like yeah i always i've always started shuffling chips a lot lately unless you get better at your chip tricks a little bit and yeah you kind of practice a few moves depending on what move you like to do it is it is funny like i even have a stack of chips at my desk in the pocago offices just have you guys been going to the studio at all lately no not not not so much uh but i've been going through the office creating all the content trying to make sure we're ready for when everything returns and of course gearing up for high stakes duel round two which will happen later this month more on that more on that as soon as we have it of course between antonio and phil uh stay tuned for the announcement on when that will happen but that's gonna be a big one hashem top set that takes it down that's a big one my name is my name is joe i won the world series what is your favorite season of high stakes poker his is when 500k with farhan gold i think that's my favorite when gila liberte is in the mix and jamie gold's in the mix and you get to see two big bluffers going up against each other and there's that big david benjamin hand and sammy farhat is really deep playing a lot of hands there's that hand with farha and patrick antonius i think as well too so yeah the jack nine the jack nine hand that's that's one of my favorites yeah the jack nine are you flushing when there's a big big conversation back and forth with each other i mean yeah those are those are some classic hands man yeah i think season four is probably the best season they've ever made and then the second best season is either three or five i think it's between those two um that middle ground was definitely the best so i think i think it's four then five then the three two one six seven that's that's their power rankings for high six poker seasons i think that's it yeah i think that's the one makes sense on what kind of rating you've heard about nick casavetti's is going to give to pulp fiction uh joel turner on facebook is asking what year is this well it's uh 2020 right now and that's why we are watching around the back because we have no live poker to talk about uh this is actually from 2009 high stakes poker back in the day when that was taped season five if you're keeping score you can watch all seven seasons on poker go in case you want to dive back into the archives uh we are doing this live so if you have any questions please send them in um taj carroll is asking who's your favorite table talker from high stakes minus farha farha is definitely way up there jamie gold let's not forget about him brad booth had some good one-liners um definitely chirped at ivy a little bit which is awesome um yeah you never really saw anyone sharp at phil ivey so that's like a very rare thing to see someone kind of take a shot at him yeah that was that was epic paris evans in an inside straight draw he's going to lead out antonio playing a lot looser this session yeah he's also raising into phil laak and phil laak had a nice rivalry with each other too so he was always trying to uh go after each other and they were trying to play big hands and stuff like that and b is saying patrick is so hot yeah definitely i agree with that as a man i can say that that patrick is a former male model of course it was always in his thing former tennis player he still works out all the time he's always posted on his instagram page right now of him him working out remco exactly yeah and uh he's uh he was a tennis pro and gus hansen was gus also tennis or was he like i think us was maybe 10 i think gus played tennis too he was big into the tennis world right um eon mchenry who um might be watching the show in in um going back in time as he was as he's asking right now about something we discussed about an hour ago he says how how did you fear in bobby's room did you make a profit oh when i played yeah it went pretty well i think i made about like uh almost a buy-in nice but it didn't last very long it was very late in the night when i finally got into the game and the game kind of broke pretty quickly which i was confused by but i guess in retrospect if you see a young kid come in there you probably don't think he's uh a really bad player like a superfish kind of guy so yeah the game went for a little bit and it broke probably about two hours into it and then the first hand that i played i flopped the nut flush blocker and i decided i was going to lose all my money if somebody called me down but luckily they folded and i've never my heart never beat faster i mean playing like first time you play really big pots or really big stakes live your your heart's beating fast it's it's a unique experience you know what i mean it is i mean whenever the threshold gets put pushed up further first it's a 20 bind then it's a hundred dollar line whatever whenever you reach that new level you got to break through that ceiling and that's when the heart really starts pumping and i can totally relate to that even though the biggest part i ever played was like 1200 bucks but i still totally relate to it yeah i mean it's all relative right it's all like in big blinds technically but the money is what makes the game a poker so unique is that there is money up for stakes and uh everyone reacts to that differently and some people can handle it some people can't some people are so programmed by money in certain ways that they just can't get it out of their head that they're gambling for that much and that's a big roadblock for a lot of people and why they don't make it to certain stakes is because they think oh i've lost this real world amount of money how am i ever going to possibly recover when in reality it's you don't think about it that way it's it's you're thinking about it an incorrect way but it's very easy to let that kind of mind [ __ ] you and really hold you back from moving to higher income or next level or playing in some good games where you have a good chance to win but you're just kind of scared to put it on the line right so that's definitely very true man i appreciate all the insights um joey what i'm curious about in in this case 2020 right now you know what's what's what's next for you what's next this year have you have do you have a a road map for the next few weeks are we going to see you do more content what's happening yeah i'm done i'm going to take i'm i've been like grinding hard on twitter uh over these since like since chronovirus happened and that went down but i started doing youtube again my youtube content is doing really well people are loving it comments are high engagement's really high i'm trying out some new formats which is cool but i think a lot of my study is mainly on on content and content formats and content production and and i i really want to test myself on youtube specifically and i think there's a lot of attention on poker right now versus like twitter it's all politics so it's not very useful to spend a lot of your time doing poker talking poker on twitter when a lot of the attention isn't there so i think i'm just gonna do more youtube stuff and really focus in try to work with some other companies so i think they're doing a good job you know kind of explore those collaborations and possibilities out there and uh yeah find out exactly what i want to do moving forward whether i want to go into more of like working with operators working with poker sites or if i want to look at potentially getting involved with my own poker site at some point in time or that's sort of what i'm weighing right now exactly what part of the business i want to be in man poppypoker.com do you have the url joey stars joey stars but i mean listen you can work with one of these sites and if you study the regulations and licenses how they work in america there's certain companies that have licenses you can work with those companies or you could you could uh figure out how to get licenses there's there's a few different ideas you could try and that's if you stay in poker but there's a big world outside of poker 2 so exactly all right for for um as far as this action goes we have reached the end of this episode of high stakes poker and with that also by the way shout out to this hand this hand was my favorite hand of the night probably um we have reached the end of this show for everyone watching please before you hit the door hit the like button and don't forget to subscribe also go over to joe ingram one on youtube so don't forget to subscribe there as well a lot of good content on joey's channel great interviews with some of the best players in the world joey has all the insights and all the good analogies and angles and everything else that's going on there as well um you already followed joey on twitter but please you know find him on there as well if you just look at was is chicago joey on there you you're still like joining him one on twitter yeah boom same as on youtube that's very easy to remember for people so go follow him on there stay tuned to this channel for much more we have this is going to be funny we have the top five matt damon poker hands on this channel tomorrow tomorrow morning that's going to be really funny um we also have more running back shows coming next week we've got reiner camp you on the show watching the 2016 super high roller ball so that's going to be great and then in the future we're going to break down all these super high rollable final tables we've got brian rask coming on the show jason kuhn coming on the show fedor holtz is coming on the show um lots of big stars joining me and then i joey i want to have you back on the show to watch some plo how about we do that the next time let's do it i'd love to man there's some great poker after dark episodes with uh there's two weeks of it so there you go but there is some newer ones i played on poker aftertalk i think it was last year too right with phil golf on and those guys so we could always watch that back would you rather watch yourself or watch some old school stuff oh i think i really watched them myself i was on i've never watched those back i remember i lost a few hands in there that could be a lot of fun do it we'll do it we'll do a long show we'll break it all down i'll i'll talk to the editors the guys to make sure that we have a good show to go through so um it's a date let's let's say let's say end of october we'll circle back on this we'll do a new show we'll do plo we'll bring all the people in here i might crack open a beer because i'm in a weight loss bed right now so i can't really drink uh but then by then it'll be over i'll be very fit it'll be very healthy i'll crack open the drink uh joey thanks so much once again for being on the show everybody watching brother thanks so much for being with me this was run it back we'll catch you guys on tuesday [Music] [Applause] [Music] you

Channel: PokerGO

Views: 27,358

Rating: 4.7883596 out of 5

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Id: ZIVbXB6e-kk

Length: 126min 19sec (7579 seconds)

Published: Sat Sep 05 2020