Review of Election 2016, Live from Joy FM - Joy News (12-12-16)

[Music] we have to cross about to Joy FM where the super money show is hosting the MPPs PETA Mad Men oh we know that she was the chairman of none other than kuku father's campaign and would want to hear from him four hundred thousand-plus over his parliamentary committees in the 2012 elections okay so something went wrong because if his voters didn't vote fine why didn't they vote why didn't where are they okay so for us as part of the new ways of strengthening ourselves and getting to know our figures we were very focused from the one on the register because as I said earlier the heartbeat of the campaign is the Buddha and the Buddha is on the register so you must be concerned with the numbers after all identity it was numbers mr. tose came and gave out so the numbers comes from the register so we were very particular and sensitive to the numbers that were playing out on the register from 2012 so you think your party won on a bloated register of course the registers blotted out come I won't deny that but I'm saying we prevented the bloated all the excesses from being played out on their voting day well 68% of the names on the register voted yes so you say how much of the remaining 32% is non-existent I can tell you that because as I said earlier we focused on the register we printed the entire 2012 register pulling station by polling station and gave it out and you know MPP structured with a five-member polling stations entities around the countries 28,000 plus fully staged so we printed the register with the photographs with the names and you live in the community go and identify them and if I show you the results of that checks it will tell you the number of people on the register who are not there then those who are dead and for those who identified by the coup was all abuse and compassion that people didn't bother to do it that is why NPP's call for for the natural style of pattern validation was necessary because those who update could not have risen up and get the Agusta to come and validate them so they are still dead before if you recall the the special tax was that the Electoral Commission set up came up that there were about six hundred thousand or more people who are dead on the register and they continue to die see we continue to pile new people on the register the register so do you want to tell me we don't die where are the dead people and what but the method but a legal or illegal of removing them from the register is so cumbersome and we have to find a way of dealing with that issue to get a proper register so you see what I'm trying to measure is the actual impact of these you know non-existent out of the thirty thirty two percent that didn't vote or do you believe the entire thirty-two percent is are non-existent people what percentage of that that remainder D does the NPP consider to be non-existent people on the register we validation because certainly dead people can all rise up and come and validate themselves I mean you do have a lot of confidence that this is the case it's just that ring where you get the coffee also made sure that this issue of people not be on the register or others managing to cast two three or multiple votes was not all around in this show and we trained our agents and the general public on how to prevent double multiple ace and kuma has joined us we're very happy to see me said good morning to you Monica I apologize for me ouu pay us back you line up for the watch you know CNN messy that's not we talk about that in more later we'll also talk a little bit about what happened after the election with mr. McMahon you regarding these reports of NPP you know for the supporters causing all kinds of mayhem resulting in the death of one person in the central region very sad but we'll talk about that in a very short while I want to bring in mr. Kofi Adams once more now miss Adams you were explaining to us earlier that throughout the period when you were when your party kept saying that yo-yo you were cruising to a victory and that you had a lead on on the NPP that at the time that was the case now I'm aware that perhaps three hours before the results were announced when the EC had already got about 225 constituency results your representative at the collation Center was still telling ghanians that you you had a lead on the NPP and that you had fifty point something percent of the votes yes of course now we know that could not possibly have been the case why why was he lying you wouldn't know I think you should be careful with the ways that we use I am careful with the ways that yes I am with handful you let me explain to you why you do not burn or show the circumstance oh okay I'm saying I do so let me read your dad electric machine you have gotten these figures and so on and so for now he was lying miss Adam so you need units that find out we saw a total green you don't know please you don't know this is that we go through this so let people who work there who know the processes now you go to the s-plane to you what happens there before you call somebody I does a liar or light you must you must take note of that when is he receive results the results are passed on to the parties the parties look at it make sure they have confirmed it would be a party system outside of the collision center to be sure that the figures are correct until they do that they don't count that in so the issue will first receive and they will announce that we have received this and I was ready chairperson of the Commission at the point was worried that party representatives were not satisfying results to end up with her ultimately signed for them to be inputted in your posture represent not not us only even the MPP rep at a point we're also not willing to sign and that was why I believe that they are representative spoke to joy joy FM specifically and indicated that they were some issues that are resulting in checks and then delay in endorsing so it wasn't only the NDC so I don't know what that you have forgotten about this this incident so it wasn't only the NDC and indeed all the parties the CPP representatives even the PNC also claim that they had petition about eleven of the constituencies and therefore they were not ready to endorse those those results so there is not become the EC will receive and announce that they have received but then the process haven't concluded and therefore for you in the party you don't count that that in so when you are communicating you are communicating only what you have an authority on and you are sure that it's been confirmed with the institutions or bodies that you have put in place to make sure what comes in is absolutely correct but just so one what autopsy were you saying 15 passengers at that time I would I will point 2012 five do you have is he have received that's why I was just a limit EC received and then they have to pass it on to the parties when the party has not concluded they don't count those in until they have concluded before they will count it in so at that point you said concluded what that's why I want the clarity where were you getting that figure that 15.5% because you are dealing with a lesser number of consequences you were dealing with a lesser number of constituency not what is he has received you had results for a lesser number of quick we identified Alessa then what is he have received because there were some Taoist will be what outstanding hungee when you say certified what do you mean I mean all the pink sheets had been signed so how had you'd NDC certified to let you know what it is that happens results get counted at the police station they get quality ed are the collision center in the constituency then they afforded to the region each region has a dedicated fax the headquarters then they fax it in it comes to the EC the EC receive the results then they pass it on to the parties then the parties receive this and now the parties in the National collision center will now check with the party structure outside of the National collision develop this resource I've just come in from maybe quad are so innocent a region can you check with our system we'll be back in a shanty regime in quad as whether the figure as reported is exactly what was piloted at wada so what sultan would you have in Quadra so what is this parallel system that you would have in Quadra so in this example that you're giving you are not just even checking the parallel system you are checking even the electric Commission own system because the Equality point you have a policing of his holiday who is part of the collision process to just be sure that as transmitted has not changed in the course of what transmission so you do this and it takes time to get the confirmation but you have your own polling agents who have signed these results so it looks like explaining to you is becoming very difficult I don't know no person in the room does anyone else get what what what if you take a typical constituency say they may have about hundred polling stations so each of these polling station results is sent to a collision center where it gets collected into a constituency resource that constituency resource is then signed off and that is what is faxed to the headquarters of easy when it comes parties are interested in confirming the results that have come in that this is really a true resource before your representative at the electric Commission the world would world also a sub now this is true it can equal vote then it goes now and then get inputted and that's why I was telling you that if you observe at one of the press conferences that was organized by the EC the chair person was appealing to candidates to speak to the unrepresentative to satisfy resource quickly enough for them to be able to what input them and work with them I don't know whether you forgot that that that press that press briefing at the point so this happens once they haven't confirmed it they on their own would still be dealing with the figures that he filled that we have cross-checked and now it may be easy where your analysis may have received 200 but as far as they are concerned maybe 130 is what has passed 70 is yet to pass so if the 70 hasn't passed in his calculation he will not be adding the 70 that is why at every time you are announcing you'll give indication that out of this you have you have this you have this lead not out of maybe the two talents that have been that have been receive it is out of what you have a subject that truly has come in this is the situation so if you don't know what the person was really communicating you may end up speaking ill about the present but just so I don't spend so much time on it I'm happy that not me know is not seeing that the 2012 register was bloated over all verb looted by his own analysis that they are dead people in that he gave the gildea they D printed out the registers for their persons and the funnel died the way dead people it meant that they genuinely registered assume that they have passed on so if they have passed on the system of removing dead people is what we can be worth talking about not that somebody put in names that did not exist at the time they entered the register and also it is important he said some when all day you observe three days before elections the number of persons that were moving out of Accra out of Kumasi and out of places getting back to D our constituency what it means is that people made necessary sometimes register India constituencies there are non living day so when you go looking for them you will not find them so if you didn't find somebody in a home to muck in the register does not mean for you to conclude that the person doesn't really look at the number of buses that left my last point to talk about the vote differential in this elections between this externality in crow constituency the vote difference with that cannot really be accounted for in terms of adding all parliamentary votes and adding the presidential vote is seven thousand men that seven thousand more persons go to a polling station voted for Joseph residential candidate and did not vote for a parliamentary candidate so it happens and this went in favor of Nana Dunkwa father so it is not only in 2012 elections now you have instances where a candidate benefit from more votes than his parliamentary candidate or people is reported to just have gotten to a police station and voted presidential and did not vote all right now I want some general thoughts from our two other guests and an ace if you can sort of weave it into the whole I you know idea of how the entire process went but before you a say let's quickly touch with touch base with mr. Bochy now okay you've heard what the two parties are saying about why they won why they lost from from where you sat from how you analyze the results as they came through you know the question remains who was it that the NPP won it or is it that the NDC lost it I think it's both I think it's both and I'm just gonna say that unfortunately years on since we have been practicing this democracy since 1992 I think the parties are still failing to sharpen their research capacities and their research bases to inform the electron outcomes I think that it's significant that in the various places it's significance that in the various constituencies where the parties have their strongholds it's significant that in the NDC strongholds there were major losses not gains for the NPP exponentially but there were major losses exponentially for the NDC and there were marginal gains for the NPP even though the gains for the NPP were much no the reason they are significant lies in the fact that historically they do not make gains in those areas and therefore a single digits gain is significant for the MPP for the NDC those are areas that it continually proof and therefore given the fact that in this particular year there were major losses major hemorrhaging reflects something significance that ought to have been detected I suspect that particular in the case of water region which is a case study I'm sure in DC for research purposes moving forward I think in the lead-up to the elections there was some warning signs and it seems that in DC self picked it up I think part of the campaign messages and the fact that the president in the last election and the campaign spent some time the volta region indicates the fact that the NDC stuff was aware that there was something coming what a surprising striking to me though was how late it took the party student realized even for the MPP significantly the MPP went to the water region and spent some time there but I think it before the MPP it's only this year that hits them that somehow something could be happening in the water region so the point I'm just making is in terms of the question as to whether the MPP law at one delay then what are the NDC lost election as opposed to the MPP winning direction I think it's both it's both because especially in the case of the campaign promises and messages and I'm not saying this in any way to H the MPP but the point is it's more difficult for a certain government to win an election pair message certain governments tend to win elections pair advantage the advantage of incumbency the advantage of you know using all kinds of collateral benefits by reason of meaning government is very you know easy to exploit a system no doubt about that but pair message haven't been in government for four years you need to show the electorate that beyond what you have done there is indeed something you can do by reason of which time would be the only opportunity for you to do that so you are saying that you've been given four years you've not been able to do this in four years you must establish the fact that indeed you've not been able to do this in four years and you couldn't have mantas in four years and so the additional message you need more time to do that now often what is the sceptical and the reason is because parties tend to promise sometimes without being time bound so you see all kinds of things and then voters up to four years basically just say look you said you're going to do ABCD you should have been mindful of the fact that you have a four year time limit or and so you should have been able to accomplish this in four years so in terms of messaging the NDC had a tall order and I think sometimes reflected in the companies the MPP had some advantage and I think the MPP did a fantastic job particularly in the area of craft in a practical message the one I confuse them sent a delusion district and their one down is a village right right one down one village one district branch so the one that one village and then the one factory district promises that's a very practical message if you ask me if I made a constituency and I'm told that my constituency is going to get one minute so if I if I'm told that my constituents is gonna get 1 million CDs or 1 million dollars exactly I can easily relate to that now of the big national pie which often we do not seem to experience at the local level and you know we hear all these big numbers at the national level but they hardly trickle down and I'm told that we are not going to tell you any fanciful things no theories no grandiose ideas we're giving you 1 million of that 1 million dollars of that if you put us into power it's easy to quantify it's easy to measure it easy to ascertain and I can tell whether or not that has actually been implemented when a government is elected into office so for these ones voters probably may have elected MPP because they can ascertain those messages and I can hold them to account I think that the MPP entire guard was very strategic and in my opinion significantly this may have contributed to the winning power among others hmm well we're yet to see whether indeed it might end up being an Achilles heel for them because you have to show proof you know that you've done these indeed all right now we've got a few minutes before we take a break and I want us to use that time to get your views on what first of all how it all went but particularly those issues that you were raising during the the processes you know and I saw quite a few on your Facebook page well all the first things is that those who didn't think social media was going to have an effect on this election and I think they are we thinking on your on your point and stopped and stopped me when we needed to go make sure on your point that did NPP win and dizzy loose look it's not it's not it's not like a football game where that can be a draw there's a winner and a loser and the win that your loss could be all my win could be based on the fact that your people left you in droves and either voted for me or did not vote I have so one so it's kind of even thought but I just wanted to get a bit technical into the forms and ask a few rounds went into it I think we understand that there are three key forms let's form 22 23 and 24 22 is what is declared at the polling station and signed at the police station by the party agents and the electro fish shells then all the forms you can remand that there are 29,000 for 22 it is very difficult to gather 29,000 for all the parties until the MPP pulled it's rabbit out of the Hat this year it is difficult to get 29,000 at when they weren't recorded they have it right this next stage is the coalition constancy collision center where they say the hundred police stations in the constituency are brought to the collision center they entered the numbers from the forum 22 onto a new form called 23 year 23 know what the issues are that those forms really remained in 2012 there's a whole kind of thing I went on to answer supreme court but we'll deal with that let's so let's call it 23 so the anti-politician a 50 full session be they have that list then they make a declaration there based on the EO 23 but that's not what comes to Accra what comes okra is a third form because we don't send a list of police stations to Accra but you can imagine that you have 275 from 23 so it is easier to deal with us so the parties have their 22 from the 29,000 police stations they get two hundred and seventy five copies of al saud of the form 23 mm-hmm right what comes to our cries 24 because it's a summary of 23 and that's what comes Accra so when they receive 24 in Accra the parties then have to go back and check from their source now I don't see how any party in previous times could have done 100 checks on each to each of the 20 75 dakimakura so that the depth at the fest rico's will have been the 23 which was what was compared at the collision center and so if that is said they were checking how much time should it be given to check if one party says well I need to check all 29,000 before I sign is the EC going to sit down and you know just wait for the party to call pulling stations all over the country right and so we need to look at some of these things and whether those were indeed justifiable grounds for the results being deleted because some parties wanted to cross check that the inability of a party to put in place the architecture and infrastructure to to cross check in the shortest time possible first move on should not in any way have stopped us and I'm in fact I know for fun but that's at a time that the former EC declaration was made many of the forms have not been signed by the parties anyway so at what point we draw the line and I'm thinking going forward you mean at the National Coalition is at the EC at what point we draw the line that parties or to get their act together they cannot hold the entire nation to a ransom because you are able to call some collisions was probably going to bear out of uh out of sadness now so these are some things you need to look at and then but let's look there's something I saw this did this year and which was quite impressive have it somewhere so they come to us in California and I met an MPP but they're candidates and you open this computer and showed me his voltage register he had everybody by name for his constituency name phone numbers who where they lived he was running an american-style campaign in the raca constituency in Ghana he could tell me how many voted for his he had just won the primaries he defeated incumbent he could tell me how many people voted for his fault for it and you lose them by name and how many votes at the NDC how many are in between how many live outside Accra and how many live in Accra let aside constancy and how many Micra who have to come to the police station to vote so I think the parties time's hide from us the fact that they are more intelligent than we think we think they are because then we'll begin to demand more from them Kofi Adams news look I'm tell you I'm telling him the constituency he was in he can mention the names and numbers to you just like that he's just pretending that he doesn't know I'm back my move also will tell us because they don't want us to know what we know they are so when the ideally we know you know so that's why I'm sometimes very impatient with them because when they are losing they know look within hours you know whether you're winning or losing so the window at 350 pointers are saying what what Magica they arrive another thing for the first time they are pp by 12:00 midnight know where this was going the cost of the infrastructure they put up and so so I started checking that infrastructure surprisingly the EC came out and declared the thing a fake yes if you go to the EC speed-walk wall they took one shot of what MPP was circulating from its projection the other projector screen and those screenshots it and says and push it around and easy put that on his Facebook wall and called it a fake well we're going to interrogate that and other issues when we come back from these all-important message but don't go anywhere this is the super morning show we're live on the am show as well on multi TV and we have in the studio mr. Peter McMahon you campaign manager for the NPP mr. coffee Adams campaign coordinator for the NDC coffee a butcher who's a legal practitioner and the Dean of Faculty of Law and a Sanka man who's a member of Occupy gunner and also a prominent garni and lawyer more of this after these [Music] [Music] about this violence that ensued after the results were were announced I've got to tell you it's something that I still don't understand I don't get it I don't get it you've won you've won what's your problem anyway we'll talk about that and more in a while but right now let's conclude our analysis of how things went procedurally ace the EC held several press conferences throughout the the election process that was a good thing they were giving lots and lots of information in a timely manner what was not so timely well the announcement of results there was an expectation this year because of the process by which information was being passed to the EC that we'll be able to get the results a lot quicker on a more regular basis throughout the process and have an idea at all times of the certified ec situation that didn't happen instead we had press conferences explaining why they can't do it and the reasons varied first there was an accusation of over voting they said that they had evidence of Whites White's widespread over voting then they said that they suspected their system had been hacked and so they'd shut it down there was also talk of a reluctance of the party representatives to sign off the results essentially some sort of combination of all these factors resulted in almost no announcement of presidential results until the final declaration what happened there is I think I think that the EC really has to get some aspects of his operations together quickly yes I will I I was all the first principal to praise them the fact that the votes in went very smoothly very very head to the special voting and so it's amazing that they got a big one right and got a small one but at least they managed to choke that feeds all the festival to praise them on it but it was shocking at the time when the read the news stations Joy FM was so far ahead and as when I us at a time I appeared on your station not a single result whether provisional or certified had come out of the EC publish that means it's provisional is what it means it's not final but not a single one had come out in fact could you we were on your set when we started bashing them then they started putting up their provisional results on their on their on their Facebook wall I remember you and I were talking yeah we're talking about when the message came that check they started pushing it out now instead of giving us the results which is what they were given our stories in fact the first results the EC really gave us was to tell her that they had been what low voter turnout of 49 percent that's the first resort they give to us who what why did we need that information and I see if you don't give out the real information keep giving the corners of it then you lend credence to to constrain how you're nasty right by the way it was inaccurate and there's no way that easy both should have been set up by her PR people and by her IT people to give out a grossly inaccurate statement because at the time they said you had in 190 190 and the forty nine percent then the other half one a night is almost the median the other half comes in and it jumps to sixty eight percent is statistically impossible unless the people knew you weren't I mean the people then less votes were obvious would 75 80 percent for the average to four 260 rise from 49 to 68 we figured out how how they made that mistake by the way you want to know they'll tell me okay all right okay so um the correct way of calculating the voter turnout at any point during the collation of the resources that you take the number of people on the voters registers in their constituencies that you've received results form and then you you take the number of people who voted as a percentage or those on the register that's how you figure out your voter turnout and what they were doing and we realized this cause we did the same thing and came up with the 49% then they announced they were taking the number of people who had voted in the constituencies that did receive results for as a percentage of the number of people on the National voters register so they were taking the number of people who had voted in however many constituencies they had received resource for at at a time they were taking that as a percentage of the number of people on the national voters register instead of the number of people on the register of those same constituencies so they were getting a much lower voter turnout and they kept that denominator constant that national voters register constant so every time they got more they would recalculate and the figure would suddenly be higher but you know but the fact is the fastest I mean I'm a lawyer I'm probably a lawyer because my mouth wasn't too good this is busy stuff first year I failed Oh level much yeah I'm you trying to be right but so that even doesn't make sense to me Yeah right now so so how they I mean gold kind of rust this is the EC and given all the money to have the statisticians and the IT people to give us and they gave us and that was the first real resorting it was and it was false then we heard about the hacking of data that was by a tweet then when the EC bosses were finally they spoke about compromise of transmission then we had about widespread voting parties refusing to sign without telling us which of the parties was refusing to sign what and then those in and shabad incomplete submissions I listed six things that the EC said which they either haven't explained or were outright forced because listen that people who work in the EC that people in Italian did not know about alleged hockey of data till they came out of their workplace to hear that there was a tweet out when you are working with good old you know Excel and their work was going on as every other year and you notice another thing good job some of the things the EC PR said the ECJ journalism so what was the the PR doing now so I'm entitled to ask questions before the ec PR gentleman puts out an information that's it go to the commissioners do they all approve and agree that we're on the same page and that this should be the official communication of the EC if that is the case then the EC is going to explain a lot of the things that the PR said that the chair person did not reproduce these are some of the things that caught my attention and I thought that look we was once congratulating the EC for the voting process it's post vote management of the release of the information was awful and shambolic and on that I don't think I'll give them even a single thumb up but that prove the voting process I think they got that one right and spot-on but the critical thing the transmission was really really awful and when we need to ask ourselves is it that they do not have the facilities maybe it is a fast one the things I've learned through working with occupy Ghana we take on public institutions we fight them and fight and fight them and fight them then finally when we sit down with them well as that jack they just don't have it they just don't have it so that needs to be an audit of the ec system if we paid money for the where for the telcos to provide an electronic transmission system and it tanked we need that process audited and Grinnell's need to be told why the system did not weigh did the system really not work and if so why did it not work we need independent independent audits of the EC itself after every election the parties are required to file their accounts I am suggesting that after every election the EC itself ought to be subjected to an independent audit because somebody's someone from outside the EC has to explain to canons whether indeed was a hack of data or even an attempt to harm it because what has happened then is that things get something no mashed up in so in public and a simple system put buda by the MPP to gather their report is not being put are they interested in some admin by some of the people in your party and so that people outside your party that the system somehow had the easy now it is it's a reduced rate it's only a person with reduced weight who is brain-dead who say that a system that collects independent data per pile of data and it is the party's own data somehow hacks the EC system it's it's it's unbelievable but unfortunately this has been fed out so people in your party who want to claim undeserved credit hop there's a recording out there on social media somebody saying this is what you did cuz I went to see another strength media went diplomatic or went and the gentleman said not she was open he shows you everything you was doing what was the hack so EC has a lot of explanation to do bad but maybe they have a lot just a serious logistical challenge and an independent audit look could you let me ask how many ladies have we had have we ever had an audit of the ballots we always hear that favorite ad says thousand spot ballots have you ever had an independent audit of the balance of the of the 24 23 22 23 24 we need about a lot of these things involve money where that government to provide money for is another thing but with what I saw the MVP I put out I think that all the parties should replicate it and the EC's of if it did that would would have a much better way of giving us results than what happened the salmon are indeed obviously this this these statements that the EC you know was putting out throughout the process the idea was to inform us but you can you can hear and I'm sure it is not the only one there are some people who believe that actually the result was that they misinformed us does any of this seem deliberate or is it just that they didn't have a grip of what was going on what deliberate or otherwise it's hard to tell but I would want to believe that we're not deliberate I would want to believe that somehow there was good intent behind whatever is being churned out there but the key question is what you raised whether they were actually telling us what we needed to hear it is important for us to remember that election survives a lot of perceptions and where there's a lack of information rumours rain unfortunately I think in this particular respect that's what appeared to have happened after elections while as is mentioned the electoral process itself the of the election itself was highly successful the post-election parts left's a few things to be to be to be desired the key points to understand is that the conflict your character of elections [Music] raishin of what you have once we have complied with the process and the process is there's an election there's been a validation at the police station level pink sheets have resigned once you have gone through that and you have you have certified by a returning officers that indeed these have been complied with the EC has to declare them subject to a post declaration on it and that's why the law gives remedial options ie in the events that is declares results and a party thinks that there are clear evidence of more practices tension in lecture not had a presidential election of a Turnbull parliamentary elections over ten - the ultimate and a declaration made validates in a particular president sitting in office at the time and that was a now I'll go in for president Mohamed so the process is clear and therefore I found it a bit surprising and almost disturbing and it wasn't funny be disabled because the country appear to have insisted on tentacles tenterhooks at the time given what we experienced on the real fortune it was qui regretable that we had moved from excellence so dangerously looming degenerative prospects for the country and I found it very dangerous and very risky and once you start having statements being issued by the observers you needed something was amiss so I think that we have a contrasting scenario here an excellent voting day and a post electro process that appeared not to have been well managed fortunately I think the EC ultimately did what he has to do at the stage he may appear to be some post-motor brass base has mentioned it is important for us to take an audit of this because I guarantee you what compliance gone into chaos it's not any of the collateral things it is an easy the EC is the body that can make declarations and is the body that can literally on make things and so if you have the EC as it were especially when it comes to you know the contest issues not managing the contest issues well the parties can take a cue from that and some of them can garner all kinds of bravados that can create dangerous kills for this country so I think that while we have scaled this and again I it's a pity because I do not want much of the glory taken away from the new Commissioner I think when the transition was made many were those who were skeptical about whether or not we're gonna have a successful easy as we still under the former doctor for John I think by and large she is one of the biggest success stories of the selection and unfortunately the management of the latter parts the declarative part appears to be taking the shine out of you know the otherwise glorious moment that she should have been enjoying that moment and so by and large I would still want to say that she's been a success as far as we considered moment but the part dealing with a declaration some lessons must be learned moving forward we have to improve that because it is at a stage the parties can begin taking advantage of Channing out all kinds of things God you know garnering their supporters to do all kinds of things and parties who think they may not be doing well on the numbers can also you know assets were mobilize the supporters to create great skills and all kinds of Sigma for so I think there are some lessons to be learned and respect and I would just want us to pay attention to that all right well the next thing we're gonna talk about is the transition process and of course we're also going to have to deal with this these reports of rampaging supporters all over the country I mean this is something that to be honest there we certainly need to deal with in in full and we'll try and understand why on earth this should be happening why the winners seem to be out on the streets doing these crazy things which I've resulted in the death of one person that'sthat's terrible and condemnable but we'll also find out what what the NPP intends to do about it and why on earth the police instead of going out and arresting people issued a statement a statement anyway okay so a Minar Company Limited wants you to partake in this year's pre-christmas big land sales promoter fear you can secure plots at a var and reduced prices from ten 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Peter McMahon you will tell us a little bit about the NPP's transition plans now we'll see if we can delve into the realm of speculation and to see if we can start to figure out how the party is thinking when it comes to who will be in charge of what as the new government starts to take shape we'll also talk about these supporters rampaging on the street what's that about and why did it take so long to get a statement from the NPP on that we'll also talk about the actual transition process we need to understand it you know and there are some legal aspects to it that when explained will make perfect sense to you all right there's only one place this can happen and it's right here with us don't go anywhere [Music] the kitchen processes would allow for dead persons not to even resurrect to come in to come and to come and vote and so on and so forth this 2d uh ground I think they especially the chairperson of the Commission she came in at a time that we just soon here to an election and she stood her ground solid woman took decisions and have brought the Commission this far I think that the electrical machine did a great job when people didn't find the name during the special putting a lot of noise was was made about it bed we also worried about that no be Muslim and a studio process a lot of them were making noises out of not understanding what people thought that special waiting was an opportunity to transfer votes did another special routine you have just been given opportunity to vote ahead of the the voting the voting day and it meant that you needed to go to your constituency where you registered to exercise that franchise they thought so they didn't find is a but I took my name to Accra here I'm a journalist year I'm a police officer in this area took my name day so I expected to be there when the person actually registered in another console should they have been better educated by the EC possibly possibly no judge the EC they should also not have made so much noise as if somebody was up there to stop them from from witty many of these persons when they went and finally found your names they kept quiet that's the problem with us and some of them have the microphone like you do they should have ended the process by letting the world know even before they move within the oh it was our fault this was what happened I went where I registered and I found my name they kept quiet so that perception of either taking people off or putting some in remained in people's mind and it could have cost us some pain in the many legitimate so that's what you say they should have done after after they have found our names that could the problems not have been avoided by better education of course we always avoid problems by better education and if the kitchen reaches certain limit and that was your understanding and you happen to have found the right it's important that you bring it on especially when you have your microphone if it is I'm not maybe just a police officer who do not have the microphone to speak to you can say okay you don't have any platform so there's nothing for you to do better by the media peasants who had a dope watching it I didn't hear anything from them no I did hear from them saying that I was I was a DB hear from any one of them most of them were complaining that when they finally finally voted come on maybe I'd listen to all the networks at the same time bed I didn't hear the levels of noise that I had when the names were not in a DB here seem when they ultimately found our names and places that they were supposed to have 12 or 10 but all in all I think that the EC have conducted an election we always respect outcome of relations not because either we have won or we have lost if we if we filled out with you you have to accept alleges that we have a certain once you have considered you have considered and then let's move on pins that have happened wrong you look at them you studied them and you find a way of blocking them and I'm happy that for this election we do not have people on the street from the side that have loss we do not have we've accepted we've called president elect the Nardo and congratulated him and I believe that through this year's equality also lamed something that sometimes is good to be recall it agree shows and results and allow the person who have warned to carry on he is requested for presence of water I cannot show him he doesn't even need to request for prayers and support because we know as Patriots that's why we are supposed to do Democrats are supposed to do you have to support the president because if he performs well for the good of the country which so so you'll be supporting any course who support him we will remind him of many of the things we would imagine that they are foreign contractors that that are older must be paid in hundred we'll remind him that I own people in school that need free education or a man in my district near the factory because they have people who must wake they're my village music damn I want to go into serious funny yeah they are strange they will be reminding him of a lot of the things we knew he knew everything mr. McMahon he knew even they were cutting lower growth figures than they actually are so they cannot come and give us any excuse that economy is this economy's them so we'll ask for those things remind him run this by you sorry mr. McMinn you I will come to you in a moment I promise the day after the election bills you know there's been a lot of criticism about the delay in the announcement of the results and you know we've heard a few views on that I'm just wondering from your perspective you know the last time in the last election when there were disputes when people disputed some of the you know results and so forth what they were told by the EC was that they should go to court yeah should that not have been the case in this in this one as well there was no delay before the game they are who's that I've been agreed to Oh anymore put in the law before the game so so did the easy actually agree most by losing it before 72 they say we did it meant that they should do it before they also do it even an hour after would ended but not beyond 72 hours so all those who were calling and doing if the easy in your mind told that look let's check everything because once we make our pronouncement that pronouncement must be defended at all levels should anybody even decide that he or she wants to go to court no you do not make a pronouncement that you cannot possibly defend so you cannot make your pronouncement upon mr. Matt menus call you cannot make your pronouncement upon Multimedia's call you cannot make your pronouncement upon maybe AIB call you have to make a pronouncement upon your own results of certain constituencies why did I put those out why did you think that the EC accepted a petition to have representative at the polishing center because we expect that goodwill spirit to prevail sometimes it is not everything that is sometimes I'm talking about the parties picking the resource and being given the opportunity to cross-check and kind of acceptable this is okay for us is Allah the supreme court decided this to the election that that all the forms should be given to the parties and the parties to sign of coffee all right you keep saying that it is not the law you there are reactions they really have to wait for them to say that they satisfy all the needed is provided information okay this outcome this is it then we move ahead out of some agreement some consensus look we really want wait for the parties to be satisfied that what we have presented them is truly what has come from our lower levels to us then lore didn't say that they have to when they give them the information they must wait and do all the cross they keep and all that before we go ahead they could have just gone ahead but long before this point there has been some kind of consensus so out of that consensus you allow for a certain time and I believe that the EC allowing that consensus building even edit everything is he had been maybe intransigent and had gone ahead and say oh look whether you cross a call you don't cross it we are going ahead just going on aus maybe would have been talking something else because in 2012 when they approached the former chairman of the Commission to delay the declaration of had a good laugh to delay the results for them to bring all the things and later he said no he was they should provide evidence they went and then went by finally they resolved was declared and the window court one of the arguments that was pushed by many passes I don't know whether mr. McMinn will still remember maybe yes yes forgotten that if a fairy john had given them hearing had even delayed by a week or even two we would have sorted all this out and these Scott processes in the race would not have happened okay delay would have allowed for sorting they had the same people today I filled out 72 hours was such a too long a time that and results could have been declared maybe 12 hours earlier in 24 hours unless he did a good job and they have done a declaration let's move okay mr. Mac menu there were certainly some constituencies that were in dispute I mean this way you know they did what the test is and didn't do we know represented the entirety the only blue test for a few for you to see no were you expecting them to some of coalition and how many people in this country about the videos but from there to the National tell me the most listen I asked a question about read-only access to the port and the demonstrators said oh we don't have the authority ask the Electoral Commission I want we want to have access to the he director this was technical so go ask the technical people the next day the next day answer technically so we don't have the authority you know about the EC sitting here so let them answer quick let me quickly let me use the moment I'm quickly inform our listeners that today we have an extended version of the show so there won't be a 10 o'clock bulletin cosmopolitan makes it takes over at 10:13 coming charges no this is that this is gratis okay then so you were making a point management of this country and Africa in general must understand the values on which they work the values of transparency and accountability values of openness inclusiveness accuracy these are things that if you want to perfect yourself as an effective electronic memory you must come up with so don't hold things to your chest now coming to your key question we think that resource starts coming but at any point in time if every two hours you are going to make a statement or a press conference release you must add the number of constituency's or police stations that whose results coming where it's kinda distance then the next two hours if there are additional constituencies or pulling stations we have moved from hundred pulling stations or constituencies to this number and this way we are never given that because we needed that progressive kind of resource collation and for me elections and democracy is a Jenny what happened in 2012 it's a journey we must learn from and improve upon it we were in the coalition room and then we said we wanted to have a few minutes to bring some issues out I have asked the electric Commission where is the law in this country as to when after voting that resource must be declared because I know that in South Africa is five days it's ten days though the traditional use fight this in Malawi is factly we don't have it announced that we have reached consensus why the process what is in the law and we were doing the SGI 94 I brought that up that latest resolve and agree on the number of days after voting that resource must be released I said this technique to contest that in South Africa they have an antenna or detect mechanism in between the days that the final result the law allows them to release results so they if there are any if cotton encode of a voting or whatever it could be resolved before the results are finally declared so we must move and know that what has transpired over the years I think every lesson must see an improvement over the previous one and that if in 2012 ABC happened is not in the best interest that's why we reform and reform and continue to reform because they Jenny all right so we still have to talk about the transition talk about the team any potential likely appointments the legal you know environment in which this is happening educate our listeners a little bit on that but before we come to our two guests a sand for that I want to just touch on this with you mr. McMinn your supporters they've killed someone yes because they are happy I don't have the in the central region as a police report yeah yeah statement late started on Friday night we've been invited yes we've been hearing about these attacks and rampages and destruction oh so Sunday emphasized doing his acceptance speech that his victory is for Organians irrespective of which vodka party he emphasized that so fortunate that some people on Dooley and I think is criminal and that you think the police are afraid to act because they don't wanna offend the incoming government they don't want any reshuffles no serious I think I think we have to deal with these matters and get them off our back in our democratic Jenny so what's the party's gonna do about it's happening and happening and and you were talking about transition you see these are so that is that gave in our gateway to that the transitional arrangements and because I recall that in 2010 DC were complaining that MPP were taking the cars of ministers etc into it MPP businesses were also complaining we had cars we've been taking away from them then the IE under the Gunners political parties program came up that there's the need to find some cows where we can meet and talk over handing over and then this violence and that characterize transitions should be done so having moved this farm I think that our supporters and the entire Gannon must know that a government is at work meant for cadets and that the lessons that we have learned from 2000 to 2008 and beyond should we should we should learn enough or to do well brother success and Nana has said that his government is for Organians irrespective of your sex your age your tribe your party and MPP people advise to listen carefully and follow what the president the president elect us so beyond them the statement is there anything else the party is going to do because lives are being lost here the party the party will have to edge the security services to act beyond that mission we can talk to them to my circuit is to also act out there but I think the state has a rule because it borders on criminality and they must act celebration gone wrong I never thought I'd see the day that the winners would be you know hitting the streets it's also sometimes comments we make in the course of companies it sometimes inside some of these behaviors if in a course of campaign you make a pronouncement that all you need is to welcome win and don't wait for others or must take over and what you want if it is take position take that take that and it's not condemned by leadership then then the people who were working for you on the ground we're working with the mind that immediately I we win I would take over tollgate I would take over this I would take over that I would be Isis like the after I would do even in the case of the the NDC day even exercise restraint and waited for a handover it was not a handover to have happen before even someone who started started picking this a toilet and then and then and then an improvement user on what we are seeing is that is that in some way an improvement on is not it is about volume West because it is that West and we must condemn it to the point that lives are being lost to the point that lives have been lost so it was wrong especially when you have a political party that had complained and used it you see one of the kit is the MPP talked about is about how the NDC after the won an election in 2009 some people were taking over this and not some some bent tender documents and so on and so forth these were things that he put out there so if you have instances of that major to the point that a life is lost I commend the statements from the party is good of had the general secretary speak to it but that is not enough I believe that the president he left himself from whose victory is resorting to this must also speak to it he must speak seriously to it otherwise our people our supporters I'm not feeling in a way much more safe and they may not even feel safer you haven't even fully taking over and your people are doing this and we know hearing much then when you fully take over how will be happening so we expect much more from from him it's not enough that a party have spoken he must also speak in our keys the president have given some directives as president to the security agencies the party still found it necessary let's put out a statement and was we acts are very supportive to fresh shrimp made themselves but there's a limit Tristan we must not stretched to that point I believe that we can all reach some common-sense level this morning we have been sitting here my servant is the madman talking agreement disagreeing from different parties we are over this level we can have such a decent discussions why can't down there also we have this empty celebrate no problem celebrate you have won celebrate bet don't take it on on peasants even if you want to take over the tollgate wait at the right time and then you will be awarded a contract for running the the truth in any case I also provided the tool levees are not even necessary so I take the the tool maybe the sharada clay clay it and then use that to create it will free a passage well we hear that some people took over a toll booth at Tama and on the motorway and the police actually fear prayer that one was bent it's been bent not just when they went to take over in the Buddhist history actually these petty thefts so anyway we hope the police will in turn intervene act Emma we're here the police were actually there when it happened which is disturbing so let's let's have some intervention let's bring some law and order and sanity back to the streets I just can't believe it's the winners who are doing this ridiculous anyway um I think I'll check this with you very quickly before I come to the transition thing because I need to get an answer to this this is something I heard just because I trust the person I heard it from to believe it but I want to check with you first okay you see that all right I think we spoke about both of them I disagree with the way we approach these things generally first of all we do not have political twilight cert we have political twilight we do not have government Twilight's in other words there's never a moment when there's no government we should remember that even in the electoral process there is no political crime in this crime simpliciter anybody who commits an offense the police must be on the ground so the president directing the police shooting we have happened in the first place the police must constantly be active it's a failure of security for the police to stand by the MPP issuing statements the president directing these are just surpluses the realities that the police are failing to be their work everybody regardless of MPP NDC no party whoever it is we are wound up on that because I has something to say on that people we voted we did not staged a coup there's been no coup in Ghana we have to get rid of that cool mentality it was an election we still have a government so was screaming at MPP control your people can we scream at Kofi Adams government can you exercise your powers as government Kofi's right they will have a Twilight Zone in this we still have a government the police should arrest these clowns and if anybody's mad at anybody the person should be taken to the legal process it is only in doing these things that we will get rid of the impunity but if the police is down you know twiddling his thumbs and issuing weak statements appealing one from force can be brought to bear to stop the crime then you you feed information that whenever that's this change of power some people can commit offences and get away with it Ghana police force do your work let me satisfy my curiosity all right okay that the party was not aware that the president was going to call and concede that in fact that phone call caused pandemonium the president he has ultimate responsibility but the way discussions business about the party needs one person Kangas and you cannot discuss with everybody you can discuss it everybody leadership must take responsibility as a team setting point when you reach a certain age you cannot go down and discuss it every national executive member or regional executive man so who agreed within you want me to put out every detail why not that's our in our case I think that the president has been credited what he has done I'm not asking who disagreed oh yeah yes done who agreed no no nobody disagreed nobody everybody was in sync with what they need I wanted to do we have accepted it what we will do into the future what we have to communicate to you and to your audience we will do so okay all right now you know the this thing about coalition and this is the last thing we do before we come to transition the thing about coalition I mean yes we saw this big collision center at the NPP did you actually could lead at all and I know how much yes a mask I know I'm asking this of course we call it you had a collision oh just no just one we had actually three cross shaken fame on that what it is you are getting is really quite unique three why was the easy having a backup so you had one and two backups of course and you are still behind weather behind or not is not the issue the truth is that we had this and it worked for us and it's going to be one with truth upon it moving in today do you think your handling of corruption cases was a look you know the president look we went to brother Caputo dad things didn't happen - well the president said look let's investigate this matter if the toy will happen just in some boardroom we made it public and it was in life where people could not go you watch on TV you may say that maybe they find it they say limit the lawyers will tell you when findings come out acting on those findings take some time that becomes the responsibility of the probe the Attorney General's Office dated the reason why you didn't prosecute Betty modded resource to avoid harassment no if I said she went on her knees to beg what I would see posterity would judge president Mohammed's handling I can't tell you under by it or when he hands over we will meet the a game and we would discuss handling of corruption how can you okay time will tell and let's talk about transition very quickly now of course there it's it's a it's an act that was that came into being in 2012 just in anticipation of the election that year but of course in that particular year it wasn't tested to its fullness because it was one government handing over to itself but essentially what the law says is that there must be a team a transition team members on the side of the existing government and members on the side of the incoming government now the law actually defines which people should make up that membership chief of staff and Minister for presidential affairs was added to that list of course there existed such a ministry at the time Finance Minister interior defense Foreign Affairs local government and national security representation are all mandated by law and they're supposed to deal with all kinds of things including head of civil service and they are included you know statutorily yeah okay so so um for me I think how I want you to lead us into that conversation Kofi is is from the fact that their decisions are to be made by consensus is this practical well it's practical if the actors understand that is what to be done and if the actors approach the work with a pragmatism however it's important to us to remember that there's a remedial option provided that in the event of the failure of decision-making by reason of consensus they refer it to an advisory council and the Advisory Council is also comprised of three persons the Speaker of Parliament and nominations from the city presentation of Michael we incoming president Sam I cook we read right so there a certain degree of pragmatism is designed to enforce this whole to inform this whole process I just need to hist into art very quickly that the Constitution and messages that there is no break in governance so I'm gonna make a distinction between governance and government the Constitution and visages that there's no break in governance but there is a break in government because under the under the Constitution government is defined as the executive power the wielder of the executive power is an actor and therefore he can change so when there's an election and there's a change in the will derive changes in actors so the change over is the whole essence of the transitional process the transitional process is designed to ensure structured and coordinated change in power you know arrangements at the exercise of power so while there are changes in actors pair government the governance process is self continuous and that's why you see that the composition includes the head of civil service among at this now government operates on two levels as we know at the political level and the professional level so the professional level the public service the civil service local government all these and then the political level again we know the executive power and authority and other people so the transitional act the presidential transition Act of 2012 as we all know is a product of the chaotic transitional arrangement of 2008 when you know both the NBC and the MTP you know literally weren't about the changeover in a very haphazard manner and or seizures of cars sometimes people I met on the street training to do it certain guys among others so you had all these experience and I think our constitutional arrangement has evolved over the years we've learned a couple of things through very painful lessons and I think the transitional arrangements is just one of these lessons that are designed to you form a structured and a more coordinated arrangement so that we have a seamless transfer I think so far and I have to say this is some commendation to the outgoing government I think so far there has been compliance with the Act there was a time leak on plans with the act there's been the production of requisite documents including them to the administrator general has confirmed that hundred one ones were actually written and handed over to the administrator generally before the elections now this is significant is significant that a government in power has a clear recognition of the possibility that it may actually exit power even though the transitional arrangements takes into account the fact that even a government handing over to itself must do that in a transitional way but we all know that that is really perfunctory the reality is when you have a government changed over from one party to the other that's what happened Rico T's and I think that it is to the credit of the outgoing government that so far there has been compliance and I'm expecting a very similar transitional arrangement to even our two coffees that point the inauguration of yesterday was indeed at the instance of the outgoing government if we didn't do it will not be meeting the constitutional no requests explain look we the process needs to be sufficiently strong and I like the way we need processes to be idiot-proof so that even if an idiot like me is given the work to do the processes are so strong that it was told it was so you'd the desired response okay the Lord demands that 30 days before an election every minister must repair hand over notes and not just repair them it it gives details as to what should be in the hundred of our notes and I think what we should do is to develop a template is that know a list of questions now when you do that it says you file copies with a B and C and D officers so they are available so it's gonna it should make it very smooth because you've you've given out all the critical details about your sector in that because you know you're leaving office doosra the issue was when they leave their houses esta but that to me that's that's an insignificant point so if we go into transitions still find hoping that we have gotten rid of the coup mentality and it's nighttime where you're going to have an increased tutorial questioning of a former minister and calling them names which appears whatever who led to the chaotic 2008 sweat literally the MPP walked out and refused to participate and there was no government to you know to take and look Ghana suffered this is our third major transition I think finally good sense is beginning to prevail and I hope that as the meeting the meetings will be mutual respect to each other nobody's going to get out there and grin hold a press conference and say the country is broke when you do that use you foul the environment you you you you you poison the roots and if you poison the roots the fruits become poison let the victors and those who didn't win show mutual respect for each other this will happen in government at the will of the people I know this is about time that we sanitize our hands so the proteins of consultants and professionals to detail on how transition it was first put in place into it he didn't finish then professionals finish the art came into being there was amendment since then have gone into it is unique because I know that when Europe has had the offense transfer a powerful one now too does former chief of staff who was part of the transition was invited to shake and I also know chilly [Music] but there was in the country because she finally of sanitizing the transition at regula and national security briefing of president-elect and I saw that and the three major committees that he must have the ground does in agree she presidency and then governors all that I think has been put in place and will work to have a seamless transition while we do hope is done to be carried true so by now another already knows about the Gitmo to and the market knows everything that is going on very big thank you to all of you for making the time to be with us here in the studio mr. Peter Mac menu of the NPP mr. coffee atoms of the NDC because lawyer Kofi butchy of the School of Law and of course a private legal practitioner as well as a son Kumar of occupy gun also a private legal practitioner its entrance is interesting times we have ahead and all week we'll be talking about this transition process and what to expect tomorrow we'll see if we can do a bit of speculation about who we might be seeing in government and particularly who that independent prosecutor might be that's our more tomorrow stay with us my name is co Jackson thank you so much for listening

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