Retired Horse Jockey interview-Billy

all right Billy yes Billy uh where'd you grow up where are you from originally I'm originally from Bogota South America Colombia tell me about your family My real father was an alcoholic and my mom's probably the most incredible human being I ever met in my life stands at 4 11 and had a second grade education and raised four kids without you know with the second grade education it's pretty tough she's um she's the reason I am who I am you know the champion I became and the gentleman The Classy man that I am I consider myself honored to have her as a mother she so I do an emotional she passed away this month uh December 4th I'm sorry now she lived her life she would she died at the age of 90. how would you describe your childhood in general um well let's get back to the the you know growing up part my mom remarried the lieutenant commander in the United States Navy his name was John winland my original name is guerobo corridor my mother's maiden name is corridor and he was a very very good man very strong disciplined man and he put me on a farm you know in Indiana but you know I don't know if you let me go to that part yet that's the growing up part I was only I probably owned this tall I was five five years old maybe four and a half and um it was way back in the woods where you have an outhouse and you have a you know limited things that modern man had put it this way if you've got snake bit you were done because nearest hospital was probably two two hours by helicopter and uh you're not gonna make it so it uh that's where I learned to ride a horse my job being the rent of 15 boys was to get the horses in the morning and uh I looked at my uncle and said how am I going to do that yeah he literally gave me a stick with a carrot and then I walked out there and the main one would see the carrot and he'd start walking and they I'm just tall those horses were huge you know but um that's uh the thing that I loved the most about my childhood was being on that farm because I was a man at six easy because you there's so much wild and it's a jungle you know literally uh and uh one day we were um on the horse first time we've been on a horse as a quarter horse named champ and I didn't know his ad you know his habits and things but uh they go okay and you know no saddle bareback just a rope around his nose which we call you know of course facing a bit and a bridle but uh he goes okay let's go back home and we're at the bottom of this road was probably a quarter mile easy at the end was the house and I turned around and as soon as champ turned he just took off and I didn't know that he would stop at the top and I looked down I'd never been so scared in my life those legs started just disappearing as if they went faster and faster you couldn't see him anymore like you know it was just one whole motion I jumped off I was scared it was a big ditch right next to it to the road that had grass about this tall so I knew I'd be okay I've been walking through I jumped off and went in there my friend Danny he was the oldest guy he said what the hell are you doing and he was put me on a Crazy Horse for her he was no he's going to stop at the top of the hill I go yeah now you tell me every day every day after that I waited for them to turn theirs around because I knew I would blow them away as soon as I turned him around man he was rolling and I didn't have a saddle you know just that's where I learned it you have to be a jockey you have to you got to have the Rhythm the flow you you can't be bouncing around and moving up on his back because you can throw him off stride and he's not going to be confident with you there when you Shoemaker told me there's there's jockeys and there's race Riders I'm blessed to be able to say I Was a Race writer you um lecture maker and all the great you're there but you're not there the horse has no idea you're up there as far as the horse knows that you're there but as far as the uh load that he's got on his back it's like it's part of him that's the best way to explain it you're part of that horse you're in Rhythm every stride every muscle is all you just you're not moving you're flowing it's that's when that's when a good horse runs his best race you know when he's comfortable that you are not even there you just let them know when it's time to get get down you know and put them in position but um the other one's uh I from there I grew up in Glendale I've been here since I was uh but it's it's eight seven eight years old my mom could put us in a car and drove us across you know the United States in a beautiful car and uh first thing I did was I'm a I'm a go-getter you know I don't wait for something to come to me and uh I've I knew my mom needed help you know with you know taking care of his feedness and stuff we uh got a place down there in the near Watts I think it was 28th Street and uh I might looking for a job eight years old most kids are at home you know the parents that I I you know I'm I gotta help so I gotta be honest with you I don't remember how I got the job either it was with the selling the herald examiner um between cars when they would stop at the light and uh I'll do that I'd walk between the cars they didn't know anybody was there so I'd have to pick the paper up and walk with it like this so they could see somebody carrying a newspaper people would say hello Examiner and then I remember some guy came put up a knife up to my back and I said are you serious you're gonna kill me for a dollar in dimes and also and I hear a gun click because I when I was growing up on that farm I you know we I learned how to shoot actually pretty good you know better than every average person and um I hear a click and I go man that's a that's a pistol now I got another guy or unless he's got a pistol and I hear a deep voice go put that knife down I won't use any of the words he you know he used but and you tell everybody Big John's got his back I said wow who is Big John I haven't turned around yet so I turned around and I go wow now I know why they call you Big John huge huge man and he goes don't worry son I got you everybody knows not nobody's gonna mess with you but uh and I gave him a paper every day free but uh I I think I was only out there maybe I don't know probably three weeks because uh my mom you know she came one day and I was pouring rainbow I was still selling that paper I think that's why I did good in the rain when I was when I was riding horses jockey really don't bother me it's just water and uh she goes Come On Son get in and uh that was the end of my selling the head examiner days from there I went to a school called named holy family I got fortunate enough to go to a you know well a good education well-educated School and uh we were poor so gentleman by the name of John Wagner was a big time lawyer he helped my mom and us you know very very very good man his kids were um swimmers you know they had big pool and everything and uh so I went to Holy Family I was an altar boy from uh fourth grade I got there till eighth grade I do mass and I think that's where God blessed me because uh I do churches mass at 5 30 in the morning and I do funerals and weddings and so I didn't really have that much of a normal childhood of playing and stuff me I always wanted to work you know that was I wasn't getting paid for doing that but um I I you know I sacrificed my childhood a little bit that's the only way that's the only way I can explain how God blessed me so much as far as being an athlete I'm a world-class athlete that's I'm 5'3 and um from uh there I went to uh Glendale High but when I was in my family I worked uh I wanted to see like I got to have a job I got to be helping my mom and uh there's a Mercury right there at the corner of uh Lomita and um Glendale Avenue Willis Market I went in there every day when I was fourth grade asked him hey can I can I do something I need work you know the guy finally got he got his name was George masako great man good man and uh he said son you know Italian real straight down uh hardcore Italian and they said you watch this parking lot okay son and there was a boy Nelly down the street and he said he says anybody Parks here doesn't go in that store you tell them that they have to move their cars for Market parking only and I said then what you know I'm only the store he's gonna laugh at me he goes no he won't you come get me oh he was he was a big man but I don't make six two real strong he could take a phone book literally and rip it in half that blew me away that's crazy anybody ever tried that it's that's crazy and uh so it happened one day and I told him wait right here I'll be right back I really got George you looked at him goes hey you know in Italian told me you know move the car okay I never had I never worried about having somebody move the car again from there and I went to Glendale High School uh and so um I still works at the market and I had another job up the street at a place called Foster Freeze I was it is as a young kid I always had at least 300 bucks in my pocket you know it felt comfortable you know pressing up with my mom and uh I wanted to play uh I know it sounds crazy but I wanted to play a sport because when I first came from Indiana I didn't know what football was we didn't have no TV out there in the woods you know that's the jungle and uh real jungle if I had a man tell me when I was in Watts son you're in the jungle I go no this is not a jungle these are people I came from a jungle that's a jungle bears and mountain lions and snakes you know yeah watch yourself but uh so um I mean Glendale and I wanted to play uh I want to play sporting football team wanted me to play a punt return come on upon return those guys are two members 250 300 pounds they hit me or following me this game over for me I'm not going to do that that's insanity and I've admire football players those those athletes are they're something else they're really something else man they hit each other like they're like like it's nothing you know it's like you're playing a little video game boom boom now they get up and walk away I don't think I would have gotten up after the first point return the honest with you and so I I decided to play basketball because I was always dribbling the ball and playing at a place called Maple Park and uh you know being smaller you know I knew I had to really you know really put out and you know be fast be quick and be ahead of the guy that I'm gardening you know keep them from getting near that rim so Varsity you know that's what you want to dream of uh went out for that and it was 250 guys I think went out for it but I got lucky I made it you know that I I don't say that that's not a good word I worked hard I worked hard to get there every day that ball was in my hand and I was always at Maple Park every night after work playing or on weekends and you know these guys they'd have some really really good Ballers there boys could ball and so you know you learn to play better by playing against the best you know so I was I played uh at Glendale High Varsity which was you know I was I was honored for that and I played against uh Michael Cooper Coupe he was he was as good in high school as he was in Pros when he'd come guard me because he went to Pasadena I went to Glendale I'd say come on Coop you know he'd smile and say I'll let you shoot it and I kept thinking man his arm spam was just like he met he immense but I'd have to go like way out there to get around that arm and uh I had a good time doing that and uh I knew I wasn't good enough to play college ball you know you you have to be realistic about things in life you know you can set a goal but you know be realistic about your talent and you know you work hard you could do it then you know go get it you know my my philosophy in life has always been um God number one that's just me though and uh then the four D's I caught I called the G and the four D's God then there's discipline desire dedication and uh determination you wake up every day I I lived it and look at that wall I'd put God and all the four D's and you keep that the whole day you cannot fail it's impossible the only one that could beat you is yourself and that wasn't going to happen no I don't I don't I don't shoot myself in the foot and uh that's how I got to play ball so when I got to high school now I started thinking oh what am I gonna do you know I couldn't play couldn't play pro ball and so uh I was kicking it with my my girlfriend at the time Loretta Miller her dad her brother and I were um um really good friends we met in grade school remember I was telling the story about I didn't know what football was we wanted to you know playground and the saint Davis played football come on we need one more I was embarrassed to say I don't know what football is what do I do he says just going to touch that guy just touch him that's all the guy with the ball oh I can do that that's easy so I pushed the link out of the way he touched him and he stood through the ball and hey I touched him and he threw a TD and he looked at me George Miller this great athlete really good athlete and he goes no you didn't I gotta tell you what next time I touch it you're gonna know I touched you and he was taller than me Well everybody's taller than me he was about five nine five eleven so I came in next time and I said boom drilled him right there dropped him and you know a little guy but hey you know I'm a little crazy sometimes and I looked down at him did I get you that time he goes you got me I was the first one he ever picked after that he didn't want to get hit so um I went I was telling you about my uh girlfriend George or dad was George Miller we called him Yogi because he looked like a little teddy bear and uh he uh was a fun guy we had kick it over his house you know on on weekends with my girlfriend and um he said hey he called me bolognaires Jackson because I I got my mom's ears I have some big ears you think but um he goes come on with one of the Races they go I didn't I I was I don't want the horse faces I mean I've seen him on TV but I didn't know they were in my backyard I didn't know that they rode right there but see I wasn't even interested in that though because it didn't click yet you know my past on the farm and and horse racing I wish it would have clicked when I was 16 because that's when you can start uh now I'm 18 and so we went there and I walked in there and I I walked up literally to the rail at Santa Anita and I said what is this here and I went back talked to my father-in-law I mean he was after yeah that no I hadn't gotten married yet but he would he would become my father and I said Yogi excuse me do they get paid to do this because I needed to make money you know I like to have money in my pocket I like to help my mom he goes Billy those are they're millionaires they go really I can do that Yogi he goes Billy those are those are Hall of Fame jockey's best in the world and then he says no more beer for bolognaires Jackson here you know you'd like to have a beard once in a while and um I went back up to the rail I mean ah this this Stadium that's what you know I called it because it's it's a it's like when you go to the Forum it's a basketball court but with no walls or anything it's it's like an imaginary huge Dome over the the track to me that's where I looked at it because I was just playing in gyms you know and I didn't know how else to explain it to myself because these are professional athletes these in Santa Anita's to anybody you mentioned Anita that's top of the world that's that's your that's your uh number one class right there you know don't get me wrong New York is you know same thing you know Belmont and you know aqueduct in those places you know like you get great jockeys they're a hall of famers Cordero and you know Pat day and you know Bailey I mean you can go on and on the last kids you know but I was on the south I mean the West Coast here and I was uh I was with I called creme de La Creme listen Shoemaker defeating Kai Chris McCarron Toro Valenzuela de la hoosi mccarg it goes the list goes on and on on and on I was like it's wow this is deep but only when I knew of at the time was the Shoemaker you know name-wise that I recognized and uh in the feet pink eye two of the greatest Jokers ever they were born they'll go down in history forever for that should make your head this finesse and the hands they'd only come once in a lifetime maybe never ever again and the feet wow how can you describe the philippinekai I I described him as um like uh a man chiseled literally chiseled out of granite because he was just he was he was I called him a specimen he was a specimen of a man you know just every every muscle would show and it was perfect and when he would walk by you to go to take a shower at the end of the day I kid you not you feel the aura of a champion walking through you just you get chills a little bit wow I'm writing against that guy but it gets you motivated get you pumped up it gets you on your A-game you know because yeah you're you're competing with that you know let's rock let's do this let's get this on you know this is after I you know got where I was going but um from there I'm like this is this is the God's truth and anybody that hears this story if you don't believe me it's okay because I know it happened and that's all that matters and God knows I was up at the rail that day and they came out of the gate I'll never forget it Harry uh Harry Hansen and there they go and he you know he had that deep voice and I and I would this was listening to him I didn't know who Harry Hansen was but I remember and he I heard him say they're into the stretch and it's I'm gonna make these two episodes I don't remember the name of the horse I'm gonna use the ones my dream was always that he would do my race right I've always dreamed that because that voice and uh I'm gonna do the one that did happen it was I wasn't I'm smoking my dream I I get pumped up I get motivated and I get emotional my dream was my dream was to hook the feet pink eye at a stretch any Jackie out there knows it that's like a what are you crazy he was considered the strongest finisher of all time and feedback there's no horse face in finishing is when Europe on that horse and you you just you reach up and you grab them it's made and you pull his head up and you push it back down you're helping him run the feet oh remember I told you the guy was a specimen he got a miniature weightlifting jockey kid you not yeah that was my dream because I consider myself one of the best finishers in my mind you have to you have to believe in yourself hey he's just a man like me I consider myself pretty good too let's get it on let's see what we got just like I said when I was playing basketball yeah you're you're very good but I want to be that good and I consider myself good you know I might not be six nine I'm 5'3 but I walk 6-4 that's the way I like to say it you know because in my mind I'm just as good as you are even if you're even if you're a yeah six nine six four I got a picture it was in the Glendale News Press I'm holding the ball like this the ball as big as me almost it's funny and the guy guarded me was from Pasadena Coop's on the other side on the court Garden out of the guy and this guy's six I think he was six four I guess that's where I came up with six four that didn't bother me but anyway um I've dreamed of hooking the feet pink eye but in the in in my in my my dream my goal was to beat him everybody went to you know you want to hook him but you want to beat him too because so what you hooked the feet and he beat you that's not you know hooking it we mean when you say hooking in horse racing is your your nose to nose from the get-go and I wanted it to just be him and I just him and I just the whole world watching us that I you know what motivated me so we're at Hollywood Park and I'm smoking I haven't forgotten about the Harry Hansen part and uh the fee was I think are back in time and that was my dream everything's coming together God's good to me I've just you know I'm blessed so I'm smoking and I look over and there's the feet and we're we're we're hooked we're nose to nose and everybody else was like kitchenette eight links back maybe more it was my dream come true it was just him and I the world's our stage now and I looked at the feet because people don't realize when uh when you're on a on a horse you can have a conversation just like you and I are because the the noise is behind you you literally have a conversation don't get me wrong we don't sit there and tell you what you have for dinner things like that it's about you know the moment like hey hey you know you can yell hey hey behind you and that guy in front of you can hear you so you know if you're cutting him off you can help him you know you don't want to drop somebody get them killed so I I was confident man because I'm you know I'm a little Stout on the upper body for for jockey like I used to have to lose eight pounds of water every day think about this that's eight eight 16 ounce glasses of water from your body you're literally dehydrating yourself of eight 16 ounce glasses of your water in your body I know you people out there go into that's impossible hey I'm impossible because I did it what did you wait when you were racing uh when I would walk into Joshua well when I got out of high school I weighed um 145 I forgot that part of the story well I was getting it to I was going to get to it when we get back at it when I was at Sanita but uh I'm into this one here I weighed at 145 I had to lose 25 uh what I had to get down to like to be realistic about riding I had to get down to me to uh 115 so that you know because of being a bug boy you got to wait you're packing you're attacking they call it your saddle and your boots everything um 109 so but you know you get a little they'll give you a pound so like I was looking at 110. so if I walk in at 116 you know but I'd usually walk in at 118. because like you know I'm bigger boned than most Jacks and um I had to lose muscle because I didn't handle fat you know I mean that might happen maybe a little tiny bit but not very much from playing basketball you know I gotta run twice as fast as the guy that's 6'4 because of his legs you know his uh extension in his stride so I was in great shape and um so at the minute how do you lose muscle well you know when people die of starvation the first thing they lose is the body eats the fat you know for energy then the body's an incredible incredible incredible thing then the reason I know this is I I died on in the back then we didn't have Google I got I went to the library and you know studied about how people lose muscle you know and it literally goes to the point of how people die of starvation is the body eats the fat for energy sources then it goes to the muscle but it doesn't attack the organ muscles because you know your organs are a muscle your brain's a muscle your heart until it gets through the every the real muscle on your body you know it tries to save itself you know it it's in survival mode so I said man how do you know I got to do that the way you do that is you you take in um 500 calories for the day and you lose fifteen hundred to three thousand you burn that because then it's because the body you're using that food you ate the energy from the calories you took in but then it goes to the muscle then starts deteriorating eating a muscle in a month I lost 25 pounds doing that and I don't I don't recommend anybody do that you know it's you know Insanity I would put a 25 pound vest on when I my father-in-law Yogi took me he relived on Myrtle and uh I Pacific and Myrtle you go straight up it goes pacifically straight up there and then it stops at a dead end and um I put a 25 pound vest on it you know I just you know I wasn't like you know booking it I just you know little tiny steps and because you know you got 25 pounds on you don't get stupid but I'm using it to really make my body work to take and you know start using calories then when I get to the party it actually is turned into it this steep incline and I did that for a month and uh I got down to 120. I said I can do this now then the rest that the rest of you know I you get pumped up and motivated because you I want this goal I want to I want to do it so I got down like I say to 118 and um well I was at 120. but let me let me jump back I ain't gonna miss what I was talking about um uh Santa Anita I'll get back to Harry Hansen in the part where I was starting to ride I'm getting too pumped up I'm jumping to tangents so I said I was telling you that people won't I don't care like I say it doesn't bother me at least I know it happened and that's all that matters because the rest is history to say I was at the rail and that Harry Hansen was calling the race and uh I I don't remember is uh I don't remember the horse's name the feet pink eye was on but I remember I'm gonna make one up I'll say uh I'll say back in time and I heard Harry Hansen go they're turning from home it's back in time back in time starting to draw away it's gonna be back in time winning by 15 lengths the feet hit that pop that I go puppy sorry hit that horse and cheese us or he I don't remember if it was culture of Philly just exploded and just took off and I was true story my word to God or may I never see heaven or my mother again and I'm watching and I'm going what the hell I'd never seen I never had a vision I never knew what a vision was but when I looked at that jockey on that horse remember I'm up on the rail so I'm you know really up there he's going to run bet the only thing between me and him that horse is the turf course that's how close I am and I looked at that jockey and I saw me I saw my face I was on that horse my word to God I saw that like it's like I'm here looking at you today like I'm looking at your face I saw my face there clear as day clear as well that's me on that horse but I'm not there I'm here clear as day and I just tears started flowing out of my eyes I don't know I couldn't stop him and they just kept flowing and I go and I just I was standing on and seriously just keep flowing them eyes and I turned and it looked at my father-in-law he was back there you know ways because they don't come up on that close you know they don't they're not that they won't they're what he's worried about if he won that race or not made some money so I walked back to Yogi and I and I couldn't stop the tears they just kept flowing out I wasn't bawling like a baby I was normal but tears were flowing fast and he looked at me goes what's the matter with you bow and ears and I looked him and said you wouldn't believe me if I told you he goes why are you crying I go I don't know it just won't stop and then I looked at him and I said Yogi I'm gonna be top 10 here in three years [Music] and he said no more that's when he said no more beer for blowing ears Jackson and I said Yogi and the tears are still flowing I'm serious I'm really serious I'm gonna be top 10 here in three years Yogi and then they they stopped when I turned around and walked back up there and I thought to myself what was that all about what just happened and it was a vision and from that day forth I knew I was going to be top 10 in Santa Anita I just had to work hard and learn the rules of the game and God had showed me that it was going to happen there was no question in my mind that I was going to be top 10 of sand leader I already seen it no question at all so that gave me the confidence in the really hard willpower determination dedication desire and discipline because God was already there and so I went to um you know the varnerian uh I told Yogi I need somebody to help me get in there and uh he found Danny Danny a lawyer and Danny said billia I think he was a photographer too I'll be honest with you and he said I said hey Danny I I need to do find out how to get into the industry he said well Billy I got a friend that has a jockey School over on Calabasas I mean over the Grapevine I forget that where it was at but if you go up to Grapevine and you know the big hill it was off to the right down in in that part so I got in my car and drove up there and introduced myself Jim Jim fres quit fresquez was his name and he had you know a bunch of horses and you know he had he had been an exercise writer at Santa Anita so you know he knew and uh you know what you know how to how did you because it's an English saddle you know it's not a normal like you know western saddle they call it the big you know and heavy and stuff English saddles are lighter and they're there's not much there's no horn on it or anything and so I went up to him I said uh the main Bill winland and uh I like to learn how to ride you know racehorses at first you got it first you got to learn how to gather from you know exercise them in the mornings and stuff you don't just go out there and get into a race it's not that easy it's like Indie drivers don't get in an indie race just the next day so I I said but I'm I want to learn I want to be one of the best and um he said well you got the right attitude and so I said um when do I start you know and so I went up there and I was working at Highland Laboratories in Glendale it's not that name anymore a pharmaceutical Corporation doing the you know cleaning up the equipment you know in there and stuff at high school paid good you know because you can move up and do the where I was actually making hemophil for this medicine for people get burned and it's you know you know I graduated with two working two jobs from high school the director of boys athletics and uh and playing varsity basketball with the B plus average not bad for a kid from Colombia so um you know I worked hard at everything I do but my mom always said no matter what you do son be the best at it even if it's digging ditches be the best at it be the best dig that there is take take pride in what you do my mom was a very smart woman for being second grade educated so every day after I got done at Highland Laboratories um I worked uh you know until the four o'clock then I shoot up to the ranch and get you know do the class you know learn how to you know post and all that I I've been riding horses when I was five so I knew you know things that I didn't know how to call them I didn't know that that's what I was doing was posting you know but that's what it is then from then I did you know you start yeah Galloping them a bit you know and I see I was saying man I know how to do all this hell bust me this I know how to run them you know let's just have come on this is for people are going to know the whole how to spell the name horse so I told him I go you know I'm more advanced than this you know you know and they're doing that come on man put me on something so he said okay well bill this isn't for you then you know because um this is I go yeah I know all that you know now where do I go so he said well now you got to go down and send in and you know get a job exciting horses let's do it but I you know what I can send you you know even even don't get me wrong exercise horses are usually you know ex jockeys you know and all that you're getting on some really nice horses you know these are athletes some of them are worth a lot of men like you know millions of dollars you can get killed out there two in the morning you know this is you know you can't just go out there and let the horse run around run away with you these people have to do exercise right in the morning they're talented they really are they get on horses that they're going to run in a race and they the trainers he's depending on you to tell them when the horse is hurt and where he's hurt and um you know these depend on you to go easy with them in the morning so you gotta you gotta full force of athletic ability underneath you 1500 pound animal that can do what it wants when it wants anytime at once whether you're up there or not if he wants to run and go jump over that fence if you don't know what you're doing he's going to run over there and jump over that fence that rail it's it's really heavy it's a it's a it's an art seriously so he um knew a guy in Golden Gate San Francisco so he says Billy let me send you up here and that I'll tell him what's going on and that's where I usually send people that advance to Big jockeys you're the first one I'm sending you know I've never had Invaders advances you well like I said I've been writing as a kid bareback and so went up there send me to a place a barn of the Golden Gate Fields racetrack the gentleman's name was uh Bud Keane and uh but he was a he was a good guy he got me you know you learned from a bottom up you start smoking stalls that's it so I'm looking stalls and rubbing the horse's legs and learning all the you know from the bottom up then finally you know he got me got actually Galloping exercising horses I moved on to working horses and then um I was ready he said um now I'm going to say it was you know a process now I'm sending you every it's funny every time they sent me somewhere it was North it gets colder and colder as you get North I hate the cold so he sent me to Portland Meadows to his uh his uh his dad's uh his dad was a trainer up there at Portland Meadows and it's a it's a real small track it's uh it's it's you know what they I don't like to call it like that but it's a bush track whatever not not a bush track don't I mean that it's um you know the track where you know they have jocks you know that but it's not it's not even close to San Diego you know so but you guys start somewhere and so and that was where Bud Keane but uh Pappy King bud's dad had horses so I got up there bud told him his kids ready he's gonna be all right he's you know he's got he knows what's happening so I'm up there and um it's cold as hell and a matter of fact he put me on a horse and he said okay son this is your first one I go all right let's do this bib's bunker was his name and um I thought you know let's just do this man so got out there I run second got beat a nose first time out so I thought that was that was a rush man you know because I was actually competing with jockeys you know I'm a jockey now feeling pretty good so then um you know Pappy was going around he was telling people hey you know this kid's good you know put him on something man so this other guy put me on a horse I don't remember that horse's name I run second again so then um this is the first one this guy he put me on a horse called the chin Chopper and uh he goes son just bust him out of the gate he was a he was a front runner and he you know but he would you know he died near the end and um if I could get him to relax you know we'd make it so I'll never forget it it was night racing night racing at Portland Meadows is not the prettiest thing when there's snow on the side of the track the track was frozen and they dig it up right it's cold and and it's like 11 30 at night or something like that so I'm in The Paddock and this guy goes the owner he goes I'll never forget that you go son you got to win this race I go yeah well that's my job sir no I mean I bet the mortgage this time and you know you've heard that saying I bet the mortgage he literally bet the mortgage he took I think it was twenty five hundred dollars for the mortgage and he literally bet it on the horse to win and I said I thought he was kidding right hey but you know it's your money you know I hope he's kidding so I got on a horse and uh we're going to the gate and the fog's coming in and I said God you love me don't you perfect because when we bust out I'm going to lead they don't know where I'm at oh seriously when I say fog it's thick you know and it you couldn't see through it and so I'd think you know this is a beautiful All I'm gonna do is I'm gonna bust out and I'm gonna keep him four off the rail because then he doesn't know see a horse when you when you're working a horse in the morning you get him on going and you drop them into the rail and they take off because that's when they know it's time to get going right so I'm gonna keep them off the road he's gonna cruise around there and they're not going to be able to see me so there's nobody on that boom baby we bust out and I just I could see that was the Railside moved them off the rail there and so we just chilling chilling they don't know where I'm at I know I could see the rail so I know just keep making the left there so then we're still going it's still foggy then I hit the 3 8 pole that's beginning of the turn and it's starting to clear out so then I I hit the quarter pole and I let's go baby let's hit it because there's you know I can see daylight again I reach up and grab this button boom he just took off because he's been doing nothing the whole time he didn't burn himself out I went by 10 links and as I'm going by only he only ran a quarter mile so as I'm going by the guy was on the track the guy that bet the mortgage and I go what's he doing and he's he's not not literally on the track but he's on the edge where they take the photo and he's kind of getting excited and he's boom Falls right on his face because it's Frozen and and I go he's okay so we came back and his face is little bloody and stuff and uh but hey he saves his house in his marriage probably so that was my first win so I gotta win and uh then I I don't recall that you know this is 40 years ago I don't recall the name of the second horse I guess that one important because I already won that one but uh I got a ticket leaving Golden Gate in my poor [ __ ] to go to to go to Portland speeding ticket because I was so excited to get there now I can't wait to get the hell out of there so I I win two races I went to run two seconds I go I got to go because as an apprentice you can only win as soon as you win five your your time starts you got a year or or uh a hundred wins I think it is whatever comes first then your Apprentice ends and your apprenticeships when you want to really kick some major butt because you know you're getting it five five pound allowance off the horse so people ride you especially if you got some game you're really right because you're getting five pounds off everybody else is carrying 120 you're carrying 115. so I get in the Porsche and it's remember it was foggy so it's still foggy because that night when I got done that was like you know time to get the hell out of there so uh not the same night that I went with chin Chopper because I've had I won one more later but the night that uh I won the second one I said I'm out of here all I had there was my clothes you know that I had on my back and my attack my equipment so I get my Porsche I take off and I'm happy as a pig and you know what and um I'm going along I'm you know you know I'm gonna cruising it could move it could move and um I look in my left mirror and I see a car coming up on me fast and I didn't think nothing of it I'm cruising up I know I'm doing 90 easy 95. and then I look and I said oh man I see the lights going I got a ticket leaving and I got a ticket leaving again hey I like to go fast what can I tell you on horse especially so I go officer okay how could you tag me if if you can't see me oh I can see your headlights then I seen you cutting you're moving pretty good so you gave me so anyway that that that's the end of that one so then I now now I got to go to Sanita and start you know letting you know I gotta go sell myself one thing I've always been good at is selling myself because I have confidence to have God it's got my back and I've worked hard and I know what I'm doing and let's do this so I walk into San Diego and I had the win my first win on chin Chopper the photo you know I got to sell myself I gotta also prove myself you know I gotta show my actually telling the truth a little bit so I remember I'll never forget I walked up that first one first guy I walked up to a a gentleman his name was Hal King I loved him he was a good man and uh he was a Jewish man and he had a he had a members only jacket on gray hair he's walking behind this horse and I I knew he was a trainer because I asked somebody hey you know is that a train over there he goes yeah so I walked up to him and said how you doing he's walking you know he's his horse is more important than me right now you know he's got to train his horse I understand so I waited for him to get divorced on the track and he's up on the rail and he's letting the horse gallop away and uh that was what's that son what do you got and I go um you know introduce myself on Bill women and uh you know I want to be I want to ride horses here and I just uh left Portland Meadows and I I went two races two seconds I only rode four horses and I showed him picture chin Chopper all proud and everything you know because I looked pretty good on it you know there's still style there he he goes son I know I said to him he goes look I look good right and he goes son every winter looks good I'll never forget that that he's right everyone everybody loves a winner and nobody ever nobody ever remembers who runs second or third so he says I go but you know I need to get in here Mr King you know I need to I obviously I know how to Calif horses Mr King it's like you know can win race he goes all right son you saw me be here tomorrow morning 5 30 5 o'clock I'm happy as Pig and you know what and uh showed up and started getting galloping horses hey you gotta start at the bomb again you're at Santa Anita you know what I'm saying you just suddenly walk in there and he's gonna put you on a horse to you know go out there and ride against the best in the world everybody there in the top tens in the Hall of Fame hello that tells you something so I galloped horses for Mr King um let's see for for a year and uh well in that year um uh I would run into Shoemaker in the morning and uh I was selling myself to Shoemaker like you know I want to be your friend I want to learn you know and they all everybody all the You Know Jack said they knew me for by the guy that works for Hal King because I gave Michael Castaneda a horse I said gotta get on this horse mercassinated great great great great writer he was also from Columbia bota yeah we came from the same city same country so him and I had a little blood you know both countrymen so I I told him I'd go get on this horse man his name was John Lee and Harold because I worked him out of the gate in the morning and all the jobs were in there right and I'm in the one hole I busted him out and he made a left turn oh I got him and I was you know straight come on everybody's already ahead of me remember they got like a kid you're not 16th of the mile almost ahead of me a head start and I pulled him around I you know hit him in the ass here and boy he just took off and I'm pulling on this guy and I go what the hell am I sitting on because we hit the quota pole and I'm nose to nose with the Front Runners out of the gate and they looked at me and go who that because they saw me make the left turn they've thought who the hell are you on because they know they had a head start on me I have to get them straight on and I'm leaving from a dead run now I'm in a dead walk you know and uh geez who are you lying like who I'm not telling it and I did everything I could to keep him from like I don't know how we were rolling he would have broke a world record on that uh three quarters of a mile kid you not I go back to Mr King and he goes what happened Billy I go wow you wouldn't believe me if I told you I go how much how much you're running this horse for Mr King he goes 25 000 allowance I go well I'm going to tell you straight up but friends and I work for you I'm gonna get four people to put a a claim in for this horse because this horse is a freak we bolted left leaving the gate I had to straighten him up get him going again Mr King goes wow so he puts him in an allowance made an allowance wins for fun I put Marco on him I didn't put him on him I told Marco go get your agent go tell him so right there I got a little bond with Marco Castaneda because he knows that I know my horses Shoemaker did the same thing with I said shoot you got to get on this affiliate her name is Khan she's in a maiden allowance Mr King would ask me now when I would work him out of the gate what do you think you know and I go I tell the truth you know she's a runner God gave me a gift where I could you know I'm an athlete I'm not an athlete I could tell who the athletes are that's why I looked at it you know to me it was a simple thing you know either they got it or they don't but when you're on their back it's a lot easier to to find feel and know well like I say I was born to be a jockey so I had that Talent so Shoemaker guide on her she went by 20. an allowance made an allowance so now sure knows I know horses this is good because I get to a story where it's that's the one I was going to tell you in the car you'll know what I'm talking about now remember I said Rebels I got levels so now now um it's time for me to you know Mr King to bust me loose I remember I was Laz Barrera was walking with them they were really good friends lots of prayers all the same trainer and he trained affirmed is that does that help you out Triple Crown winner with Steve Kopp and 16 years old and I never forget I saw those those films of him and I that's where I knew I I wanted to be one of the best of the best and so on I heard him say that uh because you know I I thought I'm I'm good but I you know I don't know if I'm that good because I ain't been out there yet no I know I got it but this gave me that that um sense of uh confidence even more because you can't remember I'm going in there against the Hall of Fame these boys been writing for 30 40 years and they no joke they're going to school you good either for you or against you so I heard him talking to those prayers I was on a horse ago working him in the morning they were walking behind me and I heard Los Barrera say the kid any good and I I heard how King go he'll be one of the he'll be one of the chosen and then they said wow that's a deep statement but it came from a man you know nobody was talking about not so much about Talent with me but he'd been around a while he knew he'd seen him come and go so it gave me that little bit of a get get hungry get tough let's go to battle let's do this you're one of the best you are so now you really believe it you have to you have to go in there confident know that you ain't got nothing on me bro let's do this every one of them the feet doesn't matter because it you really got to psychologically build yourself up you're walking into it I called it when I got interviewed for the hell Examiner you're walking into a showroom and you're a Volkswagen and you're walking into Rolls-Royce showroom these are the rolls royces of jockeys literally there's no Volkswagens in here bro except you so um we were Del Mar and he puts me on a horse greets and Duchess every trainer that has a kid that's coming out they're going to be one you know right at San Diego or whatever you know any track they want him to win that first one to help his confidence because you know he needs it and to show the other good people there that you know the kid can ride you know give him a shot you know what I mean so you put him on a horse it's one to nine if uh if Lafitte was on the horse he'd be one to nine she she'd be one tonight so nobody knows who the hell I am the public I'm on the horse and I'm eight to five so that tells you that this it's a given we're giving the kid a winner okay everybody just relax you know let the kid win one right off the bat you know it's just a done deal you think so I'm in the one hole she's got all the speed in the race she loves the front end she's gonna bust out and she's gonna go to the front and I just gotta sit on and relax and she'll win like she's only one in the race like it was working a horse in the morning my luck there they go she walks out breaks dead last you don't like no dirt in her face oh these horses say I just sat there and I remember what Shoemaker told me in the Josh room about Del Mar he said Son he called me bug he's the only one I ever let call me bug bug's a bug boy you know because I'm the little guy I want respect you know Shoemaker call me [ __ ] if you wanted to that's Shoemaker that's the man to me and the feet but that's the only one that would allowed to call me but when Jack in there called me bug one day I said only true has that Pride that that privilege I mean he can call me Buck you call me bug again I'm gonna kick your you know what okay Case Closed nobody ever called me bug except you so it we leave the gate I'm sitting on her I said he said bug when they when they hit the turn from they all always drift out because they're asking them to run already so the momentum carries them out I go okay so I remembered all of a sudden they were too taught but what he told me so I'm on the rail and you know she's making up ground but on her own you know she's just getting there she it's like she's running her own race they're not there so that's how I'm writing her I'm letting her run her race she's just doing it all on her own we're at the corner pole and that opened up like the Red Sea and I haven't asked her to run and I'm up there there's only like three like two links in front of me the Front Runners you know like at just the beginning of the term for him and I said we got this baby yeah kick it she shoots through that hole you know like you know it wasn't like it was about from here to here she shoots through there and I just the whole way it was on the rail she goes and draws Way by five I look like like I've been riding for 20 years because the kid didn't Panic you know and everybody in the world that bet on that horse was cussing me out when she broke dead last I guarantee you that including Hal King he bet two thousand win on her and I didn't know that at the time I didn't you know I don't care what you bet but man I felt so good man I said Thank You Lord that I look like like biggest hero in the world on horse racing I know it so because I knew everybody would say this piece that [ __ ] kid he can't ride for another game he know how to break a horse out of the gate even you know and I know they were saying it so then I come back to Mr King and he said don't you ever F and do that to me ever again and they smiles and Winks at me because he knew that was meant to be because that made me look real good any kid can get out of the gate go to the front and sit on it no I showed them I had Poise confidence and just relax and let the horse run its own race you know and I said I went back at him I go I know I look good as hell didn't he so I get off the horse and took a shower and I'm walking back to go see Mr King in the in his box well we got the racetrack and I uh walking up there I got like 20 guys asking me hey can I be your agent can be I said man it was like a like a a Muhammad Ali just just won his first bout and they saw you know how bad he was you know boom boom boom like a butterfly sting like a bee you know and I felt you know I felt like photographers were shooting my picture and stuff at the Academy Awards and I and I just smiled and it was like I couldn't hear anybody it was just like my dream came true you know I I'm gonna make this happen you know this is happening that Vision I saw that day is coming to be it's coming to be and I didn't know what to say and I was just an odd and I just had I just I had to get the hell King because I you know I now I'm getting it's come becoming a little overwhelming you know and I just wanted to stay on the ground so um don't let your head float away you know just stay calm and stay uh humble so I went to Mr King goes okay that was very good son and I and I said now I'm all pumped up can I can we give me an agent can we give me an agent you know because you know I want to do this be patient be patient and next thing you know I'm uh you know because we were living in a my girl my my girl and I live we're living in a studio on Brand Boulevard here in Glendale and you know she's roughing it with me and um I I said um you know she's all pumped up anything I said no we got to calm down I got to get a good Agent you know Gotta Have a good agent and uh she was getting all depressed and stuff and then I started thinking well man she's been roughing it with me for a long time so I went and I said Miss King I need I need to start writing you know it's been a long long road and I need to you know move up a little bit in life you know my woman and stuff because Mr King knew Loretta and he loved her and he said well son and so I that was a big mistake I made and I I regret it but you know it was it was it was something I felt I had to do which you know he told me wait for it I'll get you a good Agent I got this one I don't mention no names but uh it was like I didn't have an agent I wasn't writing for no big barns none and um I didn't know this was going on but the big barns didn't like the guy I had and I thought he'd be all right because he was with the the agents that Mr King wanted me to get he was good friends with them so I thought I'd you know I wasn't that stupid I thought he was in with them they'd be I'd be all right big mistake and so I didn't find this out till I was done riding my apprenticeship though that none of the big barns liked my agent if I'd have known that I'd have fired him the first day you know what I mean and God only knows where I would have gone because as with no agent I was in the top ten at San Anita I was I was it had in front for the eclipse award as an apprentice of the year with no agent no big barns but that's hindsight I didn't know I didn't even know I was in front for the eclipse award because you know it's not by winds it's by money earned Sanita if you win One race they got to win 12 15 20 to catch that money you know I ride one there it's a 50 000 purse those are five thousand so he puts me on the course uh at San Anita reticent lady this is called coming to that that Vision so I'm in a gate no no yeah mitigate and uh I look over there and they all know me I go okay guys let's get it on literally you know I'm one of them now let's do this let's rock they bust that gate open at three quarters a mile I bust her out and get her on the phone lead come on down the rail and I'm cruising cruising cruising remember Harry Hansen so and I'm just getting a turn for home and I hear Harry Hansen go ladies on the front and I reached up and I got her and I because I was just a little bit off the rail you know and I started riding her and she just took off and I'm riding her and I hear her answer go down the stretch they come it's reticent lady reticent lady drawn away by 15. remember that Vision that was right there same thing that I saw that day that the feet was on her 75 000 people yelling and it was just me out and 15 in front division happened that was the one first win at San Anita and so it wasn't it wasn't my imagination it really happened and it happened then so now we start moving on now I'm pumped up I'm in the top ten we're at Harwood Park I'm in a horse name I'm smoking this is what I was telling the car and that Shoemaker in the feet and Dr curling they would bet the pick six and I'm sitting there and I'm getting dressed putting my boots on and uh I'm listening to him and I go yay shoe this is takes balls you get who you got in the that race that you're talking about I mean me and the fever eight to five ninety five you don't have me no you better put me in you ain't gonna win the pick six 30 to 1 shot hadn't run in a year what tuck takes balls he looked at me like yeah okay the feet but to me like is this kid drunk 30-1 hasn't run in here I said it's true you know me I know horses you better put me in there curling goes who is this kid you know and she looked at me and I said you know me he goes put him in 30 to one shot beside the Gayton I win by five I didn't say nothing true story I didn't say nothing that took some balls didn't it to tell them that I'm gonna win the race you're telling the two best that ever lived there you're going to beat them in that race and you're 30-1 you better win this when I'm thinking of this I knew I'd Win It I knew something about that he had a bad shoulder they fixed it and I worked them in the morning monster monster went three in a row with him so that's why I earned lafitte's respect all right so now this is the one I was telling you about um that's what I was telling took balls this one this is one about being the feet hooking it at the pole at the quota pool so I looked at the feet that day and I said okay the feet you looked at me he has that Pan American accent I go let's get it on baby let's do this he goes okay so we're we're just him and I the whole world is watching and it's like a match face actually and we're on the rail and I just challenged the best pound-for-pound finishing jockey that ever lived to match down the stretch and he said okay let me teach you a little bit Punk right so he puts me over to the we're already on the grill he put he pinned me on the rail this is how good he is knowing that you're tight but you're not in danger the hell I wasn't my boots rubbing the rail literally I got white paint on my boot I didn't know what that I had that but I knew I'm rubbing the rail and but see he didn't know what he did was phenomenal phenomenal race riding that's a race writer right remember this jockeys in those face writers he pinned me I couldn't hit right-handed he's there couldn't hit left-handed rails there the thing he didn't know was it when I'm smoking got hooked you don't need to hit him he pins those ears back and he's telling you he's doing what I'm doing you ain't beating me that's not going to happen today he's digging in his ears are pin so I know he's giving me everything he's got the feet don't know he don't like to get hit with a stick when he gets hooked you do he stops he said he'll back you off so I never knew it but he said see the wire there's no wire there see the wire it's almost like grasshopper you're one of us see the wire after a while I saw the wire there is a wire there people can't see it you got to be chosen and I'm coming to a wire I know where it's at I see it I know it sounds crazy but it's I can't explain that one so we're getting there we're getting there and I see the wire Wham right on his nose right on the right on the wire his nose goes up and mine's down and I knew I had him I knew I got him end up Galloping out and the feet looks Amigos they win you get my words in the face no the feet I didn't mean to the hell I didn't hear me rubbing the damn rail look at my boot you wanted to get it on you gee we got it on oh man I earned his respect that day we got in the Jock's room it was on a Sunday no it was on a Saturday and uh it didn't begin oh sorry I get too into it the whole Jackson I'm gonna go take a shower I didn't get to get off and start you don't shoot your mouth you just get off and you know you won that's it let's show some class don't start talking trash never got to be classy you're with the best act like one of them so I'm going to the shower all the jocks are in there I'm walking by and you know I've got my towel around me my robe hey when yes he never talked to nobody he's always within himself unless you know your friend like chew into them what are you doing Sunday night my heart dropped all the Ducks are listening what the hell nothing let's see I don't care if I was getting married that day I was that what is it you what do you want to tell me tell me because you're obviously tell me you want to do something with me and I would be honored so he goes I'd like you to have dinner with me and my wife ah but this is the kicker he didn't say it that uh the SmokeHouse restaurant and I said we're at a feet like you know where's the restaurant at my house boom that is that is I I would give up winning the Triple Crown my word of God to have dinner with the legend like that in his own house with his wife come on that's priceless that's a true story I mean I had that and uh he showed me his house I was magnificent and he's and I said wow the feet he lives up here in Las Vegas four million dollar house in 1981. and he I go you know I mean it was I don't want to get into it how his house was but it's phenomenal and I go wow he goes don't worry you'll have all this you'll have all this don't worry and uh basically um that um that that was one of the most incredible things I had the best job best agent in the world remember I told you I'd give it up from New York hey Mr winland you know Joshua you got a call I go to the house from New York who the hell it's called me from New York I'm going to be in New York I don't know it's a guy so I go it was top page in the country he wanted my book he has all the big barns in New York he's telling me and I'll make you lead an apprentice leading jockey in the nation because you've been watching you know they watch our races we watch theirs but I I'm that high on myself you know I don't know what people are saying but they were talking evidently big time you know it was up and coming next Legend whatever and uh I didn't know this but this is how much being in that atmosphere and being with them meant to me I said no I'm fine thank you yep I could have been leaned I was already leading Apprentice with no agent you know what would happen if I would have said yes we'll never know is that your biggest regret yeah yeah and that's basically that's that's my career in NHL how many years did you race uh I raced uh 10. then I had a bad accident and uh yeah it's the biggest regulator but but but what I had there that was priceless I was good all shoemakers parties birthday parties I was I was I was a maid jock you know and if Bob Felix said I'm a made man I was a maid jock kid from Columbia who the hell is this in Colombia Bogota remember my father was an alcohol I could never remember his name my mom would tell me but my subconscious wouldn't let me hold it because it broke my heart two years old he my mom we got rescued by my Father John Woodland because he was always threatening to kill us true story this is the end of the story my mom took my two sisters from my stepfather to Colombia when they were older to learn Spanish they go to the movies this is this is how the world is Destiny in the universe they go to a theater who's there The Man Who let that we that was going to kill my real father my mom was goes up and says hello and uh you know what are you doing here he was there by himself in Colombia Botha I was a hero you know you know an athlete hero like and uh I didn't know that and Mark lucasinated too at the theaters during intermission they would show our races he was there watching my races kicking himself in the ass going that's my son he'd tell people my mom said he tell him that's my son that's my son yeah the one you walked out on you know and I think it was too much for him because uh two years later he did it he killed his new wife and killed himself yeah really I mean so say yeah and you know what I I don't I never hated him but you know you do what you do in life you make your bed you sleep in it you know he couldn't take it he couldn't take the fact that that was my kid and you know what was I think you know hey you don't have to kill yourself that's what happened that's true story yeah Billy what would you say is the most important lesson you've learned in your life don't ever give up yeah my mom because I'm sorry but it just happened take your time ah you know I just lost it what three weeks ago um because no matter what you want to do in life you can do it even if you only have a second grade education you can raise four kids and you can raise them to be gentlemen you can raise them to be strong and you could be their father and their mother too every lesson I've learned in life came from my mother she lived to be 90. and I thank God for those 90 years well you know the years that I was in her in the in my life here with her and um I'm proud to say that she was my mother it's a great story no it's you know it's like I say she lived a good life and it's just you you hate to say goodbye that's the toughest thing in life to do I remember the first time I saw death was when I was on that farm I was in charge of the dogs and uh Brown wouldn't get up and I told my uncle Paul Brown won't get up I've been talking to him and pushing him and everything I didn't know death I didn't know what death was he just wants to keep sleeping I can't get him up he goes son he's gone no he's not he's right there no he's gone to heaven no he's not he's right there no son he's dead well what's dead he 'll you'll see you're gonna die one day too like oh that ruined my life you know what I'm saying thanks I thought we lived I did I thought we lived forever you know and that's why I learned about death and I learned that everything has its time you know and it was his time and so it was my mom's time and she wanted to go it's just that I'm selfish I didn't want her to go right and every kid's office about his parents leaving and uh I remember she told me that this true story now ended she was on the operating table and she died my mom was going to lie to me she said she was above the operating table watching them and she's seen a light and she went towards the light and the angel said no Lee here called her by name it's not your time you got to go back my mom was pissed like you would never believe most people would say I don't want to die and she's just running to that light I bet you she wanted to go be with my father you know with John winland all these years when he died he died of cancer when I was 13. he was you know they were separate though because he was the war ruined him alcohol and all that you know and um but I think every day that he was my father he if I hadn't been on that farm he put me on my first shelving Pony Buck me off my Father John Willen and I had cried he said get back up on that horsey little [ __ ] and I'll never forget that I was only this tall I'd come up to his knee and if he hadn't put me back on that pony this would never have happened you know and I know it and if he hadn't found my mom see everything we're all destined to go where we're going you know if we don't know where we're going till we get there if she had met him I wouldn't be here either you know what I'm saying and uh but she loved him so much but she left after a while came brought us here you know and uh she he was dying of cancer and she flew his two daughters you know from blood back there and I I talked to him and it's that bad and I said Daddy I was 13. I was here in California and I said I I'd be honored to have your name I promise you my first son would be named after you and uh he passed two days later he said son you've always had my name and so I went to court had the paperwork done and everything and I got it you know I still have it and uh my son my first baby was a boy and uh I named him after him John Charles women his name is John Charles Chon Chon was Loretta's grandfather and uh women so I came my promise you know but yeah that yeah that was that my mom was probably the toughest thing that she was something else man four eleven that she walked six four I did something wrong she's coming to get you with a extension cord a broom whatever she could get her hands on you're at it they either run out the door because she was good she'd get you in the ass as you're running out she was a tiger she was a go-getter I guess that's why I am too and I I never she was only four eleven but I never said damn why couldn't I took after my father like my brother because he's like five ten or so hey look what I got with it you know and all the women are taller than me I would walk around with I dated like some women that were like five ten five eleven they like me they like me right you know and put heels on you know now they're like six one or something you know I'd walk into a party and they'd say how the hell what do you do Bill get these away I go hey you're all the same size when you're laying down what the hell all right buddy okay thank you so much for sharing your story yeah that's it that was great thank you for having me

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Published: Mon Jan 16 2023