HE IS UNFIT FOR ANY OFFICE. >> JOINING ME NOW IS FORMER FLORIDA CONGRESSWOMAN STEPHANIE MURPHY. ALSO THE FORMER MEMBER OF THE JANUARY 6TH ELECT COMMITTEE. CHARLES COLEMAN JUNIOR, MSNBC LEGAL ANALYSIS TOWARDS ATTORNEY AND FORMER BROOKLYN PROSECUTOR. AND DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN AND PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AT RICE UNIVERSITY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR COMING TO THE SUNDAY SHOW. DOUGLAS, LET ME START WITH YOU. TALK ABOUT THIS INFLECTION POINT IN HISTORY THAT WE ARE IN. ESPECIALLY ON THIS DAY. THE 58TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SIGNING INTO LAW OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT? >> THERE IS NOTHING MORE SACRED IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST MOMENTS IN MY LIFETIME AS THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. I WOULD PREDICT IT'S GOING TO SELL, WILL ALABAMA, VARIED MARCHES WAY TO EDUCATE A REMIND OURSELVES THAT VOTING IS A SACRED RIGHT. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT DONALD TRUMP REALLY HAS BROKEN THAT COMPACT WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. BUT THEIR REFUSAL TO ADMIT THAT IT WAS A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION IS ONE THING. BUT TO START CREATING A CONSPIRACY TO DENY PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, TO LOOK FOR SLIGHTS OF FAKE ELECTORS, AND TO BE THE FIRST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY THAT DID NOT ALLOW US TO HAVE A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER, IS ALL REPREHENSIBLE STUFF. AND IT'S ALL BOILING IN TO THESE INDICTMENTS OF TRUMP AND GEORGIA ARE COMING UP IS GOING TO BE JUST AS DAMNING INFLAMMATORY AS WHAT WE HAVE JUST HAD COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C.. >> CONGRESSWOMAN MURPHY, EURO THE -- OF TRUMP'S INDICTMENT AND THE THREAT ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE IF YOU COME AFTER ME A COME AFTER YOU. >> I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT THE JANUARY SIX SELECT COMMITTEE LAID OUT THE BROAD CONSPIRACY. I THINK IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE UNVEIL THE JANUARY SIX WAS NOT JUST A SPONTANEOUS RIOT THAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL BUT RATHER WAS A CULMINATION OF A MULTI PRONGED APPROACH TO OVERTURNING THE FREE AND FAIR ELECTION STRIPPING AMERICANS OF THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE. AND A HALF THAT VOTE BE REFLECTED IN THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. SO, WE LAID THAT BROADLY, THE INDICTMENT MIRROR AS MUCH OF WHAT WE PUT OUT IN THAT REPORT. IN ADDITION WE ARE ABLE TO GET FOLKS WHO DID SEEK TO OUR COMMITTEE WHO PLED THE FIFTH THEY WERE ABLE HERE SURE THE SHULMAN. THEY'VE GOTTEN EVEN MORE EVIDENCE. I WOULD. HAPPENS AS IT, THREATS EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SELECT COMMITTEE AND HE WAS PART OF THE IMPEACHMENT REGARDING JANUARY SIX HAD TO HAVE PROTECTIVE DETAILS. BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING IN. THIS IS A REFLECTION OF HOW POWERFUL PEOPLE HAVE CONTROL AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE OTHERS TO ACT ON THEIR BEHALF. WE SAW THAT CULMINATED JANUARY SIX BUT YOU CAN SEE IN SMALL WAYS, TO -- AS PEOPLE RESPOND AND BACK OF THESE THREATS, THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT MAKES. >> CHARLES, WE SPOKE TO ALABAMA ON FRIDAY SAYING MARXIST PROSECUTORS ARE WHAT HE CALLED RACIST IN REVERSE. LIVE FOR US MEANT. WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO DONALD TRUMP TRYING TO USE THE REVERSE RACISM CARD HERE? >> HERE YOU HAVE A WHITE MAN WHO HAS BEEN PRIVILEGED HIS ENTIRE LIFE. A MULTI MILLIONAIRE WHO HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. NOW PLAYING THE RACE CARD. I THINK IT IS BEYOND RICH ROOM TO ATTEMPT THAT. ESPECIALLY AT THIS MOMENT. PLAYING THE ROLE OF SOMEBODY WHO IS BEING PERSECUTED SIMPLY BECAUSE HE'S BEING PROSECUTED. ULTIMATELY, I'M NOT SURPRISED BY. THIS THIS IS VERY MUCH SO DONALD TRUMP. USING A BLOW ON TO SUNDAY FULL SIGNAL TO HIS ENTIRE BASE. FOR THE PURPOSES OF ENERGIZING THEM AND GALVANIZING THEM. AT THE END OF THE DAY, LET'S FACE, IT ALSO RAISING. MONEY THAT IS A HUGE PART OF THIS STRATEGY. AND TERMS OF WHAT HE IS TAPPING INTO WITH REGARD TO HIS BASE AND WHAT HE WILL RESPOND TO. IT'S NOT A SURPRISE, IT IS ULTIMATELY DISGUSTING AND INAPPROPRIATE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT HAS MOVED THE NEEDLE FROM THUS FAR. THE ATTACKS ON CHARGES, ON PROSECUTORS, AND EVERYONE WHO IS INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS ARE GOING TO NOT ONLY CONTINUE BUT ALSO POSSIBLY INTENSIFY. >> DOUGLASS, TRUMP IS GONE AFTER JUDGES AND PROSECUTORS BECAUSE ALSO GOING AFTER WITNESSES. HOW UNPRECEDENTED ARE THESE ATTACKS ON OUR LEGAL SYSTEM AMONG FORMER PRESIDENTS? >> MAYBE ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. THE MAFIA, NEW YORK AND CHICAGO MIGHT TRY TO PULL SUCH STANCE. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN SOMEBODY A WEEK LIKE SUCH A BOY, DO INTIMIDATION, MAKE -- IF YOU BUBBA YOU BACK. IT IS REPREHENSIBLE. IT'S A SIGN OF AN HAND DICTATORIAL MIND. A MAN WITH AN AUTHORITARIAN BANDS. DETERMINED TO SEEK REVENGE AND ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE TELLING THE TRUTH. IF THAT TRUTH GETS HIM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, SO IT IS A HORRIFIC SPECTACLE. AND HE IS ACTUALLY A -- CITADEL OF -- EVER SINCE DONALD WAS NOT BORN IN AMERICA, STRAIGHT ON TO CHARLOTTESVILLE TO THE POINTS OF HIM NOT WANTING TO HAVE A JUDGE BECAUSE THEY WERE MEXICAN AMERICAN. THERE ARE HUNDRED, THOUSAND THE MUSLIM BAN TRY THIS PRESIDENT. THIS IS NEXT PRESIDENT. WHO REALLY BELIEVES IN WHITE POWER. THAT IS HIS BASE AND THAT IS WHAT HE BUILDS HIS POLITICAL PARTY OFF OF. IT JUST MAKES YOUR STOMACH TURN A LOT TO THINK THAT THIS PERSON WAS ONCE A DAY IN THE RESOLUTE DEATH. SAME PACE THAT FDR HAD A DEAL WITH. MANHATTAN PROJECT WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. JOHN F. KENNEDY USING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO CREATE THE PEACE. WE HAVE TRUMP SITTING THERE SUING IN THIS KIND OF REGIONAL ANIMOSITY. AIMED AT DIVIDING OUR COUNTRY. >> I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT PLOT BECAUSE YOU RAISE EXCELLENT POINTS IN THAT ANSWER. CONGRESSWOMAN MURPHY, AMONG THE CHARGES THAT SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH LEVELED AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, INCITEMENT TO INSURRECTION IS NOT ONE OF THEM AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CHARGES, CORRECT ME IF I'M, WRONG THAT THE JANUARY 6TH SELECT COMMITTEE SAYS HE COULD BE CHARGED. WITH ARE YOU DISAPPOINTED THAT INSURRECTION CHARGE IS NOT AMONG THE SUBJECT SMITH HAS LEVIES? >> I HAVE FAITH THAT JACK SMITH HAS IDENTIFY THE CHARGES FOR WHICH HE HAS THE EVIDENCE TO SECURE A CONVICTION. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT. PROSECUTORS HAVE A REALLY GOOD RECORDS. I, THINK THAT LAST YEAR, THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN OVER 90% OF THE CASES THAT COME BEFORE THEM. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THIS PROSECUTION BE VERY TIGHT. THAT'S WHY TODAY PUT FORWARD IN THE CHARGES, THEY HAVE THE EVIDENCE TO SECURE A GUILTY VERDICT. AND SO, WELL HE'S NOT PUT FORWARD MANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR POINT, I TRUST HIS JUDGMENT ON THIS. EVERYTHING I'VE SAYS, A LOT OF PEOPLE AVERAGE AMERICANS LIED TO BY THIS FORMER PRESIDENT. AND ACTED ON THAT LIE. MANY OF THEM ARE SERVING TIME, THEY HAVE BEEN CHARRED A IS CONVICTED AND ARE IN PRISON. FOR SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY. FOR VIOLENCE OF THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY SIX. AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL AS PEOPLE WERE HELD TO ACCOUNT BECAUSE WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE SYSTEM DO
