Pretending I Endorse Your Product Is Fraud - WAN Show August 4, 2023

and welcome to the W show really Luke like you can't text later I was turning the ring volume down so I wouldn't bother anybody during this show I was trying to be considerate lonus we have got a great show lined up for you guys today I mean one of the big topics is what is the deal with brands that we don't work with keeping my picture on their product pages we're going to be talking about that cuz that is super not cool we're also going to be talking about the recent controversy with one of our um testing guys from the lab saying something on camera and then it kind of got you know spicy and you know something something so basically we're going to just talk through what happened you know how what the best way to move forward is what else are we going to be talking about today twitch expands gambling restrictions while another platform definitely does not do that um and another topic really Luke uh weak uh absolutely weak uh uh balers gate too late [Music] a he did it for you so you could chew that was very considerate Dan thanks Dan my mic was muted that was for you oh okay sorry who were the sponsors again back Blaze Blaze vessie vessie fantastic all right good job everyone now normally I would go right into the headline topic we'd be talking about how anchor is doing a no no but instead we're actually going to jump to the one that Luke ad lied at the end there I don't normally do this because it kind of comes across cheesy to me but I really want to thank you guys for tuning into the show because we all know that you would rather be playing balers Gate 3 right now as far as the world can tell and you set aside yeah you set aside your time and you tuned into the W show instead of playing Boulders Gate 3 right now um or at second monitor what per what percentage of you guys are playing it on a second monitor right now can we get a can we get a poll going we can I will do that cuz I assume that we're the primary monitor is that a fair assumption should those be the options for the poll primary monitor secondary monitor not playing yeah okay sure yeah I mean you I mean you could have an option for balers gate is on their only monitor but that really raises a lot of questions about how exactly they're responding to the poll through their phone oh oh yeah through their phone I mean that is technically an option primary monitor secondary monitor SL phone yeah uh I believe in you you got this H he's working on it the WAN show is already a catastrophe this week and we are like 3 minutes in I absolutely love this we were talking about it on the pre-show and I was like oh this is a really good conversation we should like have this be a topic and then okay we got a p and then Luke and Dan completely shut down and stopped talking about it and I'm sitting here going okay great no no no okay I got I got some stuff I got some stuff uh the third gate of balder has at one point in time today gotten over 520,000 concurrent players which I find interesting midday on a Friday no kidding what's going on where how is everybody playing this game that's that's the 11th highest concurrent player count in Steam history and it was during the like the work day for North America okay but here's the thing Luke you know how we take we always take Mondays instead of Fridays for stats have you ever gone to Costco on one of your on one of your like days off that is not actually a stat like on a Monday still full and it's full of people it's very confusing I don't understand it I'm walking around I'm going like don't you people all have jobs I mean I know I do understand there's like uh like non-standard shift workers night shift workers or oncom workers stuff like that but I I would always expect the population to be lower in areas like that but it never really seems to be true no it's it's it's it's popping it's interesting like you go you go in on like a Wednesday morning it's like everybody's at Costco that explains why there's no traffic because everybody's at Costco right now filling up their gigantic parking lot eating all of their delicious samples okay back to balers gate though according to this poll 177% of people watching on float plane right now are playing balers gate either on their primary monitor or their secondary that is wild have you played it yet no I've had no time my my my labs people who some of them are actually watching the show live right now have been here all week so no I had no time right but it came out today midday any anyway so what difference does that make I thought it came out yesterday I don't know well today is Friday and you said it came out midday on a Friday well I knew the concurrent play maybe it came out at midnight or something I knew the concurrent players count was today yeah I didn't say it came out today um have you played the series the series yes for sure but the last release of balers gate was a very long time ago oh I know we're talking like Xbox original or something balers gate 2 didn't balers gate 2 come out before never winter nights 2 or was never winter nights 2 first I'm looking at balers gate 2 right now I remember being in high school and buying never winter nights 2 balers gate 2 uh one of the expansions for it came out in 2000 balers gate 2 enhanced Edition came out in 2013 oh wait that's not an expansion that's just the title of it uh balers gate 2 Shadows of Ammon came out in yeah 200000 okay never Winters nights 2 actually came out after I was in high school so this would have been once I was into PC gaming balers gate 2 then came out before I was into PC gaming yeah uh like I I definitely played a bunch of balers gate stuff but like this was you were a child old games and I was a child yeah for sure okay yeah I got to confess um while I did manage to make a little you know Boulders gate never winter nights reference during the pre-show I did not make it very far in never winter nights 2 I managed to get like a couple hours in it's heavy I was a fan of I I played never winter nights one a lot actually um but I mean I didn't really make it that far I had more fun just like messing around in the game cuz they're very just interesting games like I remember figuring out in the original never Winters night that you could dupe gear okay sure because you could export and import player characters so you'd have one game file and you'd import a character drop all their gear delete them import the character again charact delete them and i' like had more fun like doing weird garbage like that like messing around with the engine all I could than actually really progressing very far probably because it was hard and I was bad yeah yeah they were they were hard games very unforgiving very true to D and D rules which are ones which I have never gotten into and never really understood very well I had a hard time back then they did like uh I don't remember the exact name of the mechanic but like spell slots so you could cast a certain spell like a certain amount of times like per day and stuff like that so I would like I'd have like a mage character and try to start a new uh playthrough and like immediately run through all my spells and be like well guess I'll die like I didn't do a very good job of like you know rationing these out through the fights games were pretty unforgiving when we were kids um yeah like I I didn't really manage to get into that style of RPG until Dragon Age apparently it's still like that so in B Gate 3 it works like that really so that's yeah I suspect that's not uh not the easiest game to play if that's how the mechanic works because people are used to like Mana right and you can regen it and then honestly in a lot of modern games your Mana is like practically infinite anyways so you you just freecast all the time and it's more like you know uh cool downs cooldowns and and using the right thing to counter the other thing that's going on um than than trying to like ration things and and save stuff right but I I mean there's there's certainly strong immersion arguments to be made for like yo no you actually can't cast that spell anymore cuz you're tired yeah so people are saying you have free slot cantrips which can be cast infinitely so your like major spells are the ones that are going to be a certain amount of times per day or whatever yeah it's interesting people are asking if we've ever played D and D have you I have played once oh we did that one shot and then that was it right okay that makes sense yeah we did that with um with uh oh what did they Rebrand to so they used to be a filthy lot they rebranded from that no yeah it's it's not anymore they their their DND show changed I don't know they've apparently had some struggles or something they old CEO isn't there anymore but I don't I don't think it was kind of like how our old CEO isn't here anymore like he's not there anymore Quest keep that doesn't even sound right I don't even know uh this one has uploads from has an upload from8 hours ago okay it's active at the very least oh it used to be called quest line there yeah but yeah it must be that okay anyway you know I wish so we did the one shot there yeah we did a one shot there that's the only time that I have ever played D and D I meant to play uh the D and D football oh no that's Warhammer that's not D and D never mind yep Noe that's the only time I ever played D and yeah yeah uh I played a bunch of D and D in like high school and a little dabbling after that but mostly the most recent one that I've played and enjoyed a lot actually significantly more than I enjoyed D and D is called edge of the Empire it's very cool it's like a it's Star Wars inspired you're like Scoundrels and bandits and whatnot from the outer rim and what I really like about it is when you roll dice it's not just like a pass or fail system you know how in D and D it's like okay roll the hit you go against the other person's Armor class and then if it's higher you get it or you roll one and then you just suck yeah like something like that yeah or something in the edge of the Empire one there's like advantage and disadvantage and the idea behind the whole system is like hand solo doesn't miss if he does Miss he's going to like Miss the person but hit the control panel next to the door and that'll like open or close the door like it if you do things things will happen you have like narrative dice which is very cool no wait I've heard of this before but I edge of the Empire sorry edge of the um i' it's very likely I told you about it was it like a book thing or something what what is this Star Wars edge of the Empire who why is this oh you know what I wonder if they reused certain ele no wait what is there like an EU book named the same thing or something I am so confused right now because I'm having a weird Deja Vu moment or something like that maybe I did like a Choose Your Own Adventure book like as a as a child like as a kid and it had like something like that in it or something like you're just yeah you're ringing a bell that doesn't people people are saying that happens in D and D too I understand that but in edge of the Empire it is a direct mechanic that is both GM and player controlled like the player has input on how these advantages and disadvantages go which I think is super super cool it makes it very uh engaging and it makes the combat and and even social engagements really really uh uh just gripping I find cuz like if you're if you're having like a social engagement in in edge of the Empire it is combat rolls you're literally rolling like combat dice throughout the conversation and if you get like a ton of disadvantage like maybe you say something weird and the other person doesn't like you anymore you're driving me absolutely crazy right now and you can do like like and if you try to force influence someone you can like okay no no hold on is Edge of the Empire the only thing that does this because I've never heard of edge of the Empire before no there's uh are there other Star Wars like games that have dice rolling at I'm pretty sure at the same time as edge of the Empire I think a few other ones came out um oh man this is like this is ringing how long ago is this thing that you uh I mean I couldn't have been past I don't even know if I was in high school yet like and I feel like it might have been book based or something like you like you just play yourself or something oh interesting I I actually don't don't know but this is this is like bothering me a lot right now is this a thing edge of the Empire is a lot newer than that but but it might be based off some mechanics from something that you did a long time ago Fant think of Night of the Old Republic I don't think so because I never played kodor yeah Star Wars D20 someone said what cuz that's that's this star uh Nic the Old Republic doesn't use standard dice it uses their own custom Dice and I think it's super cool you have Advantage disadvantage Triumph despair uh and and like more uh like number based dice if I remember correctly this is bothering me so much Star Wars D20 Saga Edition Star Wars D20 Saga hold on what is Star Wars no it's not D20 anything I've never seen a D20 in my life before I was like an adult I didn't I didn't know any D and D kids in high school what about Star Wars saga Edition Star Wars the role playing game this might be it wait no hold on St stop it no not this what is star Star Wars the role playing game it's a role playing game set in the Star Wars Universe written and published between 1987 and 1999 this is definitely the right time it was slightly modified and re-released as D6 space which used a generic Space Opera setting okay what do you do how does it work have I is does this look familiar to me I'm not I'm actually not sure this was so long ago I know the one that I'm talking about is a fantc flight games tabletop game I I know that 100% it's called edge of the Empire I'm 100% aware of that we're trying to figure figure out which one uh lonus is talking about five game books oh man I don't even know someone in flow playe chat I don't know how to say your name sorry KW Griff 2 said the last time they talked about D andd on W sh Luke talked about this I try to bring up edge of the Empire like every time D and D comes up in conversation because I think it's just such a incredibly fantastic system and I don't think a ton of people have been exposed to it and it's really really good um and I I just I don't know I think it's really fantastic I think it's also very good for getting people that might not be so into the storytelling of tabletop role playing games like if you play with someone and and all they ever want to do is combat and just roll dice and and have fun playing the RNG game um you're going to get them more out of their shells including myself I feel that way fairly often you're going to get them more out of their shells by playing this type of game because you're you're like forcing creativity cuz you're going like okay you have a bunch of advantage on this role um but you missed and if you don't do anything it's very likely that this guy's going to kill you next turn so you need to use this advantage that you have to try to like create an escape for yourself or or or defeat this enemy in some indirect way something like that I I just think that's super super cool um it makes it it makes it for very Dynamic very interesting very story-driven um but like roll heavy and high player engagement gameplay which I think is just fantastic fantastic yeah someone said it's fun the players get to uh get to contribute a lot to the narrative exactly okay here's my problem though I don't think I played with anyone yeah I don't that I don't I don't fully understand I don't either but I'm like I'm like sure that I did something at some point where I would try to force influence someone and I had to roll dice and if I failed it was bad uh does Star Wars saga Edition ring any bells I don't know I don't know what is this Star Wars missions is a simple solitire Adventure game solitire Adventure game each mission is a 74 page book start of a story Mission briefing and the rest of the story after choose character card specified number of weapons and ability cards will be required to use a weapon a vehicle in her ability to check against the skill oh this might be it what is this called again sorry it's called Star Wars mission Star Wars missions does that does those look right I don't know I just don't know it doesn't seem like people liked it it's very lowly rated uh I mean I was a kid right like I mean and it's Star Wars content may it was just like interesting and I was I was super into like I was super super into Star Wars click on the second last image the tin doesn't look familiar no okay I don't know but just because it doesn't look familiar like my aunt was such a garage sale lady right right like she I could I might have owned it with only like stuff or something and oh you know what no it has um it definitely had multiple d6s this is never this is not a thing I had encountered as a small child then again like I said my aunt was a very garage sa lady she may have just like gotten different do have a d8 well you're or D12 or whatever that was you're playing with you're playing with d6s kid you're just going to have a harder campaign it's Advanced difficulty it's a feature it's not a bug it's just what it is feel like that was a Scholastic Book Fair pickup yeah that that could be a thing anyway okay I don't want to I don't want to talk about this too much more uh I this is like driving me very crazy now though cuz like I have like these little Snippets of memory from when I was like eight or nine 10 maybe and it's like uh like I tried to I definitely tried to like I don't think you play as characters you recognize I think you're like a nobody and you like level up in stuff or something the Empire works yeah I feel like the designers must have been at least somewhat inspired by missions yeah it's got to be something like that anyway anyways back to B's gate yeah hope you all are enjoying it absolutely fantastic launch uh breaking 11th highest concurrent player count on Steam uh in all of its history for a a single player/ Coop game is very cool like a lot of games that are going to hit that kind of player count is going to be like big ma like not necessarily massively multiplayer in the way that MMOs are um but big like you know competitive things like Apex I heard was was one of the ones that they didn't quite beat out um other things like that were like tons of people can play it's not story driven y yada also there's games like Apex that are ahead of it that are free to play this is a purchase title so big news big news there's been a few games that have been coming out recently that like like Final Fantasy 16 seeing the reception of that and then now seeing the reception of balder's gate like I I had been in this state for a long time where I was like Wow Gaming's like dead dude yeah but then it goes to show you it's like Cinema all of a sudden you know you put some movies people actually want to watch like the Super Mario Brothers movie Barbie Oppenheimer it's like oh no the Cinema's not dead people want to go to the movie released 600 Marvel movies in a row and people got a little tired of it eventually yeah did take a long time it did and honestly I didn't even get tired of it until they started really sucking like some of those movies do not deserve even to have as good scores on Rotten Tomatoes or whatever as they do the eternals is garbage it is just 4 hours of absolutely who cares like I can't I just can't yeah um so but yeah I'm really happy to hear it because i' had been doom and glooming gaming for a while now um and I mean battle bit coming out of like seemingly nowhere for me at least I know they were in apparently in a play test for a super long time but I wasn't aware of that um balers Gate 3 coming out and just killing it I'm very hopeful for Starfield coming up soon we'll see how that goes there's just like there's things going on it feels it feels okay actually for the kind of first time in a while I think but I don't know but yeah great launch moving on I guess new topic want to talk about your face my face face yeah we could talk about my face yeah I am I'm pretty frustrated we've we've tried dealing with this in private and it hasn't really gotten anywhere so we're going public a while back we we broke up with ankor who had been a longtime sponsor over a scandal where they were collecting user well I shouldn't say collecting uh user video but they certainly had user data M handling yeah they were mishandling user data through their sub brand of uh smart devices so particularly security cameras were the ones that were found to be very vulnerable to having data accessed or stolen and they they explicitly said yeah we don't we we we don't um none of this is accessible online and then it definitely was accessible online and instead of just coming out and saying you know oh sorry that was an oversight um you know our uh we will you know we will stop doing that immediately and uh here's how we're fixing it they were like um um no no but if we did then it's because we had to and if we had to it's because it's your fault like they just it was bad it was really bad so so we cut them off and uh what's really frustrating is that they don't appear to have gotten the memo even though we've contacted them multiple times so here's an X from junal a sorry I'm never going to get used to that X is that actually it says tweet on it I I don't know I don't know how anything Works anyway uh here's me still on a product page for them in spite of the fact that we have told them multiple times that this needs to not be here anymore uh so that's pretty skey to me but Luke brought up a good point in the pre-show if we endorsed it at some point is that technically incorrect yeah I don't I mean I don't technically know I think if you're not endorsing it anymore and you're specifically saying something that is different to what is set there I think that's extremely misleading and not okay I mean but I don't know if it's like illegal obviously the way that I feel about it is that if there is no ongoing relationship and we have unceremoniously dumped these guys for being skis balls that if they keep putting my face on their product pages that is extremely misleading about the current state of the relationship regardless of whether I ever said that something was good and there are exceptions to that if I were to publish an editorial piece of content and they were pulling a direct quote from that with the proper context that's one thing but I believe the quote that they've got in there actually zoomed in on this I don't know what it says I can't have uh it uses the latest gallium nitride technology yeah no uh the quote in there is from a sponsored video so it's a completely different relationship we never really covered their products editorially because we don't do reviews of wallarts battery Banks or cables or battery Banks um it's just yeah they they were a sponsor and we did sponsor reads for them but that's about it so I'm extremely frustrated um I have I have formally withdrawn any consent that I gave them to use my in this way and um there you have it anchor if you haven't managed to get our emails which we know you have because you got our emails and said you'll deal with it it's time to stop the time to stop is well the time to stop is months ago when we contacted you about this but the especially time to stop is now you guys actually need to stop doing this um someone in philippin chat said anchor is a Chinese company don't have to listen to you this is an American website website yeah so there are actually are rules and and no you're right they don't have to listen to me but if they don't that tells you an awful lot about the way that they conduct their business and you probably shouldn't shop with them like just because legally nobody can actually arrest them if they if they don't comply with this they aren't they aren't marketing honestly and so that should tell you if they're not marketing honestly especially if they have a track record now of not communicating honestly about how their products are handling user data um they're starting this is start this is going from a thing that happened to a pattern um they're they're not operating their business with Integrity so yeah guys stop now yeah that's all I have to say about that I think oh we're supposed to explain merch messages and do two merch messes mesages hey why don't we mix it up Luke why don't you explain merch messages well I figure out what the heck is going on with my YouTube dashboard merch message is a cool neat and super awesome feature in the LTT store where when we are live if you add products to your cart as if you're going to buy them and check out when you go to the cart page you can expand a little window and send a message to the show that message will appear here down below us and we will uh be able to read it in our dashboard and decide if it gets ated and thus verbally responded to on the show or we give it a little text response and that will show up just like that one down below or if it needs to well actually that's a perfect example that we will follow up with you soon means that it was sent forward to either uh creat Warehouse support or another inbox internally so we can follow up with it later on because it might be a question that uh the three of us don't necessarily have an answer to but one of those people do so feel free to use merch messages when you're checking out with cool products from LTT store today like water bottles and screwdrivers and new shirts that are on the store but I think we're going to talk about those later let's do a couple merch messages in a moment but first I want to get out ahead of one that seems like it's probably going to end up being a merch message tonight yes I have seen lonus Tech tips Fly Me to the Moon AI cover oh I've been linked to this like a million times why do people keep linking this to me uh oh Dan is there a way for us to play back audio today oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah one sec sorry uh how does this have how does this have a quarter million views you're not sending me audio I don't think uh no I'm not yet am I there it is y okay can they hear they should be able to hear it okay I can't but that's me neither you don't get to hear so quart million views on that does that mean Christmas album too no Luke it doesn't mean Christmas album to are you sure you know Christmas album one sold pretty well and now we have an actual store the world does not need Christmas Album 2 but they're going to get it uh I guess you know I actually I'm sorry I wasn't actually supposed to ask you that question I'll make sure I ask the appropriate person next time sorry what question were you not supposed to ask me a Christmas Album 2 no you're no there is bus decision right so I'll I'll turn I won't sing we don't need you to sing [Laughter] anymore freaking got him dude all right okay three merch messages two two two two merch messages sign I'm so sorry that's okay I forget too uh let's see here hey Dan and the talent I'm hoping to do a study in my master's program on standardization in the tech space do you guys have any nuggets of wisdom on why it fails or succeeds when attempted thanks uh there's that XK CD comic yeah 14 standards something like that there's too many standards I'm going to make one that unifies them all there are now too many standards plus one yeah so that's a big part of it and another big part of it is how fast technology moves I mean humanity is awful in some ways but it's also super amazing and inspiring in other ways and inovative yeah Innovation is one of the big ways that humanity is kind of the bees knees right so when you when you when you build a standard based on the technology you have today and all the future ideas that you can imagine in this moment that you're going to miss something and there's going to be something new and cool that's going to come down the line or some new use case that you're going to try to develop for a new innovation will come and then you're going to you're just ultimately going to need new standards um and there's also just the the fact that one size generally doesn't fit all I mean I'd say a classic example of this that I've never quite been able to wrap my head around is why HDMI and display port have not merged at this point but they each do have capabilities that the other does not and I'll also say that sometimes it does work it's not just Doom and Gloom like we've been kind of saying here uh like look at some of the stuff that the EU has done with phones over the last little bit things are happening for example did you know that while display port can generation for Generation generally carry more video bandwidth it cannot carry ethernet whereas HDMI can but then HDMI is alt mode over USB type-c did exist but was basically abandoned so it's just uh okay I guess we need two kinds of cables ah okay fine you know right like wouldn't it be nice if there was only one port on the back of the graphics card though no because I would want to plug in multiple monitors oh my I understood you yes it would be convenient I am I'm actually sorry that that USBC output that Nvidia did during the RTX 20 generation didn't take off especially now that we finally have a VR headset that exists that could actually use the bloody thing the psvr too by the way I think that Community project to to make it PC compatible is is making at least some progress I've seen I've seen Rumblings of it but that would be freaking awesome if you could just plug your VR headset takes power display it carries audio does freaking everything like USBC that' be really nice USBC is that one standard to do everything the problem is that even USBC is not one standard to rule them all because there are so many different subsets of it based on what's necessary for the particular implementation for example you can have a USBC port on a phone that only carries USB 2.0 does no display port alt mode it can only accept like you know five five Vol actually I don't know how many USBC ports can only do five 5 volt to amp maybe I don't know because pretty much every aspect of the standard is optional because if on that budget you know $120 smartph phone they had to implement the entire USBC technology like like optional technology list it wouldn't be a $120 smartphone anymore and it's not always necessary like on a gaming mouse do you need it to run at USB 3 speeds yeah no obviously not so why are we adding all of this extra cost for nothing for literally no benefit to the consumer whatsoever so it's tough right like I don't have the answers but you have a lot of people who think they have the answers which is how standard proliferate the the classic XKCD comic all right Dan hit me again okay last one here hey dll good afternoon from Australia how important do you think a university education is getting into the IT industry I am studying currently but all my employed friends seem to uh be so far in life uh yeah yeah it's not and I've got two people here one of them just Shrugged what does that one think yeah we got we got one of these and we got one of these yeah it it it can kind of it it it can replace potentially having experience but the way that I've described it is if you can get a job without it then you're getting paid to gain that experience if you can't get it if you're very very much struggling to get a job without it you know this is the career path you want to go down all that kind of stuff you can essentially pay to get that leg up a lot of positions will have like a four-year degree or four years of experience that's something I've posted a bunch of times so you can kind of skip that bit um but I mean if you can get into the industry without it then yeah you're might there might be gaps in your background like for example it's it's always hilarious to me when I talk business with someone who has formal schooling because they'll use acronyms and terminology that I'm like yeah I have no idea what the you're talking about right now but if you could speak in plain words I probably understand the concepts and then they'll explain what they're talking about I'm like oh yeah yeah yeah that yeah sure for yeah exactly like I because I it's it was all School of Harden kns for me I didn't study any business either in high school or in my couple of years that I lasted in University and so you'll you'll definitely run into situations like that and there have been times when the when the kinds of things that you learn in school like I'm just talking like my life um my family's life when the kinds of things that you learn in school are things that you may not have encountered outside of school and that made you a more well-rounded person like my stupid sports psychology like 100 Lev course that I took in University changed my outlook and my approach to a lot of things in life that I just wouldn't have thought of physics for me yeah if I if I hadn't done it like it's and and right like why sport psychology it was like the psychology competing okay essentially and and so we we talked about a lot of basic stuff like just you know how behavioral conditioning works and it's it's really changed the way that I parent because intuitively you would think that if someone does something bad the most effective thing to do is to uh you know tell them no or whatever but that's just completely not how it works what you need to do is you need to reward them without bribing never promise a reward ahead of time only just wait patiently for the right behavior and reward it but not every time the least effective is no rewards the second least effective is rewards every time and the most effective is a reward once in a while so if my kids do something they're supposed to do once in a while I'm like great job let's all have ice cream and they're like yay I've seen people comment on our videos that you can tell from you know the look in Linus's kid's eyes that he's like a a really mean Dad or something and I'm like you can tell from the comment you left you're an idiot cuz that's really not actually how that works got him it's like man I I don't know it's just and it's it's a it's it's just a weird thing and like in in high school I I took no free blocks I took just anything I I would take anything that was available on that block um just to just to be more well-rounded and so there's if I had made it through more school would I be more rounded I yeah Pro probably maybe maybe not yeah maybe not right because part of what school is supposed to do is it's supposed to help you learn to learn and that's something that I didn't have a passion for at the time and no amount of doing it was going to make me want to do it and then I learned it later when I had to saying all of this we are talking about an IT degree to be very clear if you want to go into like nuclear medicine like you should probably go to school like there's there there's certain things I want my dentist to have formal training yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly like there there's certain things uh you should probably just go to school for that um but with things like it especially if you can get your hands on some stuff and you can do some home lab things um and you can you can do some extra training like if you if you get your foot in the door somewhere and they they kind of like let you have a job even though you don't have a lot of experience or or education um and you're able to retain that job while spending time outside of work like grinding on a home lab learning things learning things learning things uh and then being able to step up and like treating that period where you're really really early on in your experience like you're in school so like when you were in school you'd be going home and studying it's a very kind of similar thing you're just being paid for it this time um I I think that can be very effective so yeah got a comment on float plane dads are meant to be the mean ones no no Mom and Dad need to be aligned they need to be a wall that the kids cannot put a wedge between that is the most important thing neither needs to be mean neither needs to be the nice one as soon as you've got a good guy and a bad guy you have lost the game is over because the thing about kids is they're just little adults and they are devious little they will get you all right we're supposed to do some more topics now I guess yeah someone in full chat said as an IT manager one of the biggest things I look for is work ethic wanting to learn and being a team player school doesn't necessarily teach that yeah so like I don't know and it's going to differ you're going to run into the one person person that's like no you must have exactly this precise amount of Education I don't care if it was 20 years ago you must have it um and other people are going to be like us and not care so yeah all right uh do we want to talk about wait what what were some of our other headline topics do you want to talk about the uh sure yeah yeah let's talk about twitch expanding their gambling restrictions today twitch announced that it will be expanding its ban on gambling live streams adding two more online casinos to its list of sites that are banned because they feature games of chance like slots or roulette but aren't licensed as casinos quote in jurisdictions that provide sufficient consumer protection twitch claims that gambling viewership has dropped by about by around 75% since it implemented its new restrictions last October which was sports betting fantasy sports uh sorry sports betting fantasy sports and poker are still allowed twitch will also prohibit all streamers uh from sponsorship and promotions of gambling sites that take deposits in the form of csgo skins this coincides with the result of a report from YouTuber H Hound gown G we did talk about this last week we couldn't figure out the pronunciation then either so y That's the best I'm going to do uh that suggested that over 70% of CSO skinn gamblers start before they are 18 and these online casinos are making little to no attempt to confirm the age of players approximately 75% of top csgo streamers on Twitch have taken sponsorships from from csgo gambling sites I suspect given the dollar values that we were talking about last W show like 120k a month or whatever it was this is basically what's keeping the entire csgo streaming scene alive not just that I suspect these are going to go undisclosed oh yeah so like just saying keep an eye out for it uh valve sent a cease and assist letter to 23 of of these sites back in well 2016 uh and has launched suits against many of them in the past but skin gambling remains a popular uh remains popular and five of that original list are still in operation gambling is also banable a banable offense on Steam as of May of this year however Hound g g has criticized valve for the mechanical and aesthetic similarity between its loot box system and online slots yeah that's the same thing which is very valid you got Spider-Man meme right here like it's many players treat this system in a manner reminiscent of a slot machine caring more about the resell value of their jackpots rather than the in-game value of the item or how much they would personally care about it valve does indirectly profit and you can tell because when people roll a knife and they freak out before the knife even shows up it's like it's cuz they're excited about the value um oh is that is that true are knives worth a a lot oh yeah why are knives worth the most sorry just cuz it's rare okay so so knives are rare rare things are worth a lot in this context and knives are rare as far as my understanding goes I see I don't do any of this so I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes um yeah valve does indirectly profit from how skin gambling increases the demand for these items one self-admitted skin Gambler looked back at his steam history and found that he had spent over 21 ,000 on the platform primarily on csgo he described this realization as frightening I I don't how did apparently Elijah um like our Elijah said that some sell for over a 100K I think he's talking about knives in csgo what is this in chat yeah what yep that's wild you're just going to Google most expensive csgo knife H can we go to your laptop uh sure all right cool let's go the 10 most expensive knives this is on Red Bull's website what the heck what happens if I reject them hey get out of here nothing apparently cool okay okay features Star Trek technology what the crap is Star trk Technology St track it shows on the on the I think for the knives if I remember correctly it like etches into the knife how many kills you've gotten with it um this has like $99,000 I don't think this is uh I don't think this is legit I don't know they get really expensive I'll say that much my brain hurts oh I might have actually gotten real answers here we go one second why are we all allowing this to happen wait a million dollars I think that's kind of the question oh there's no way anyone spent a million dollars on a CSO knife yeah it says reported price yeah there's no way yeah oh no uh apparently it happened what reports are that the rare knife's price came from own pixel a famous csgo YouTuber and Trader who apparently served as a middleman for the expensive transaction which makes me think it was a pump but I don't know right yeah look how much value there is in this thing by the way sponsored by site go do it here yeah man have you seen the value of Jack dy's first tweet nft oh is it worth like a dollar or something hold on hold on let me see if I can find it so Jack dorsey's first tweet sold for I think it was like 2.4 million um okay 2.9 Million okay uh now has a price of less than $2,000 that's a big yikes who would want it like why does it even matter oh man I don't know dude rough yeah anyways what do you think about twitch expanding gambling restrictions it's it's weird to me because like the if this was like 10 years ago I'd be like oh yeah cool okay but now like is in trouble sports betting is advertised on the like sports channels and like on all the boards around it like it's it's everywhere now it's the right thing to do but they're doing this at a time kick is embracing gambling and it's clear that there's a demand for this content and I just I I I I don't really know what to say because on the one hand it's like Yeah Yeah we actually do need to stop I I personally appreciate it we need we need to stop grooming young people into becoming like whales for these kinds of microtransactions turned into turned into gambling that has become so prevalent in gaming um apparently own pixel is quite against stuff like this so maybe that was legit I don't know it sounds crazy however you know it's um it's clear that they're going to be at a significant competitive disadvantage because of this and I don't really I it and it's not just it's not just up to the platforms to care right like it's up to the creators and it's up to the audience to care right like everyone involved in this ecosystem has to sort of decide alt together that something is not okay and it's pretty clear that that's not going to happen I mean look at look at something even as okay fine we're going to wait into this uh look at something even as black and white as the controversy right now over react content that isn't react content that isn't fair use that just obviously isn't fair use AFK from your computer while it autop plays kind of stuff or just like eating and not even responding or interacting in any way big part of why it's blown up this week is Dark Viper and XK X XKCD uh xqc are added again we we knew Dark Viper was going to be involved well yeah we knew he was going to be involved but I I'm surprised xqc is getting baited into this because he's been pretty clear about his la la la la la la la la la la la la la if I can't see it nothing's happening this isn't wrong kind of position in the past but he finally said the quiet part out loud ear this week uh to the point where like I is this in the do or no it's not I I I read his tweet and my jaw just about hit my keyboard I went okay if you're going to if you're going to even pretend plausible deniability I'm just a dumb guy ah this is my Persona like if you're even going to if you're even going to play that game you you you can't just blatantly say I do it because it makes money right because that's no one ever said it didn't that wasn't anyone's Point their point was that that's someone else's money that was the point and is like broken on my computer I'm trying to find these tweets but I can't even use Twitter properly so I don't know and and and no in fact um it is it is not covered by fair use and that is that is pretty plain at some point somebody is going to figure out that he just signed a $100 million contract and come knocking and I don't believe there's going to be any statute of limitations for this because it's never been dealt with at any point like if you if you robbed someone 10 years ago you're still culpable or five years ago I mean this is like it's happening daily now [Music] so um at some point someone going to go hey you know what this is a pretty big beg that we can get over this but I'mma buide my time I'm going to let him keep doing it I'm let him build wealth hope he doesn't you know lose a bunch of it in another failed relationship or gambling or gambling and I'm going go after it I'm going get mine yeah but then I mean I've been calling I've been I've been making doomsday predictions for you know years that haven't come true I mean where Where is the child YouTuber star apocalypse that I've been predict that I've been calling a long time ago yeah I've been calling this for years I'm looking at it go like all these family Vlog channels out there and stuff at what point are these kids going to go hey yo the millions of dollars that you guys made putting a roof over my head is actually the basics I need to be paid where is it I it still hasn't really happened I don't know I don't know man I don't know uh someone in chat is asking how do you guys plan to deal with the React channel you were talking about a while ago we just have it on ice um you know obviously Our intention was to to do it in a way that was um at at worst neutral and at ideally beneficial to you know whoever or whatever it was that we were reacting to but it's pretty clear that it's a Minefield and it's also pretty clear that we are other than the la la la la la la crowd um we're heading into people having I think a clearer understanding or I shouldn't say a clearer understanding we're headed into people having a more negative outlook on react content regardless of whether it actually is fair use or isn't and that's the thing is where that line is drawn is super complicated because fair use is not a law fair use is a set of guidelines it's it's pillars it's an argument it has to actually be litigated every time and it hasn't really been tested that much in the Digital streaming age so we're all kind of waiting for what's going to be the next H3 versus or xqc versus and we're kind of waiting for precedents to be set here and it's happening really really slowly but looking at how the networks are struggling if I'm them and I'm sitting here going oh yeah you guys are watching you know Iron Chef or whatever on your stream or you're watching or you're watching um you know I if I'm looking for ways to supplement my income when I'm when I'm struggling I mean it just seems like such an obvious Target yeah I don't know man good luck everybody yeah CR in Australia asks so if I did a react video on the W show and gave my two cents every couple of minutes who owns that content really challenging until we sue you sort of you do unless we file a copyright strike in which case when you file your appeal of that copyright strike actually yeah it's not Sue you okay so it's yours until we decide it isn't we file a copyright strike and then you have to defend your use of it in court if you want to over rule that copyright strike and you have to prove that it is in fact fair use now it usually doesn't make it that far I think YouTube does act as an arbitrator in some of these cases they sometimes just kick them out but in more complicated ones they will basically say yeah it's up to you to defend this in court you actually need to you need to make a fair use defense of your use of the content like this happened with uh goat when he was doing his thing on that that guy that's making that game fraudulently or whatever I don't remember all the details um but he got strikes against them and YouTube just threw them out because they were clearly garbage yes so YouTube will do that which is nice but yeah so it really it just depends on because because remember remember what the pillars of fair use are which I um just going to look up so that I don't get any of them wrong uh so there's the purpose and character of the use there's the nature of the copyrighted work the amount or substantiality of the portion used and the effect of the use on the potential market for or value of the work it's not just a matter of like well if you get three out of four pillars then it's definitely fair use if one of the other pillars is really really really really bad then that can submarine your whole argument so even if the purpose of the work is um I don't educational for example which would be much easier to justify than you know for-profit commercial use of the work well hold on a second what if it's educational but you are profit oh well hold on a second now it's getting somewhere into the grayer Zone there okay but what about the nature of the copyrighted work if it was um you know a a selfie clip that someone took of them falling off their chair that might be a a that they just uploaded freely to some site well the nature of that work means that your your copyright um for it is going to be a little bit harder to defend if somebody is reacting to it you know guy fall down funny you could argue that this reaction is transformative especially if they were to do something like guy fall down and then they reenact it or something like that so that's where we get into um the purpose and character of the use again sorry I meant to get into the amount or substantiality if they were to show only you know the the very beginning and then show like where you end up flat on your face well then they haven't used the whole thing and then that helps the argument that it was fair use and then well that gets to to number four the effect on the potential Market if you're actually not showing enough that people can get the whole point and then not have to watch the original video well that helps a lot so for example something that we do often in our videos if we're reviewing a TV okay we will often just have a movie like a like a real movie just playing on the screen while we review the TV probably we will not get sued because the point or and will not get copyright struck because the purpose and character of the use is to demonstrate the features of a product on which that content may be enjoyed the nature of the copyrighted work in this case is super copyrighted super high production value theyve boy if they ever put a lot of resources into making this very unique content but that doesn't necessarily mean that ours is not fair use because factor three we have used a very small amount of it and factor four if anything our effect on the potential market for the work goes up because of us creating more exposure on it using it as an example of the the kind of great content that you can enjoy on this television so probably no one would be stupid enough to sue us over that kind of thing and if they did I think we would have a very strong argument that this is fair use of this content because the the the nature of of our use of it is purely like positive towards you now you might let's say we were trying to use a movie as an example of bad HDR mastering and how that doesn't look good on this particular TV well then they might get salty but that's in the interest of educating the public about this product but so our purpose be seen as commercial but it could be seen as commercial because we are making money on our production so the whole thing gets very hairy very quickly what we know for sure however is that sitting and watching someone else's content while you shovel popcorn into your face ain't it and it's a matter of time I'm very surprised it hasn't really happened yeah me too but but they also might just be this might be tactical they might just be like all right well I'm gonna wait because a lot of the times you'll see this kind of lawsuit Target every infraction and they'll go for a much larger Su yeah and what's really what's really bad for these kinds of Serial perpetrators is demonstrating any kind of self-awareness whatsoever because as soon as it's clear that this has been brought to their attention and that they knew I mean you're just asking for it yeah at that point it's obvious you knew so since you knew and you did it anyway well it doesn't necessarily change a verdict it doesn't change whether you're innocent or guilty but what it does change is potential damages that might be awarded if you were like obviously knowingly like you're not going to get leniency if you knew and with the how viral this is going I think it's going to be hard for any major streamer to go oh I didn't know I didn't know yeah you know of course you know you know that it's easier to make money by just putting someone else's content on this screen that they worked to create of course that's easier and if it's easy well it means someone else did the work doesn't it yeah so it's tough right yeah man I don't know and like with consent is totally different like I I've explicitly told shroud go ahead and watch my videos on stream he's the only one who's ever asked Marquez no okay that's different I have not told Marquez go ahead and watch my videos on stream Marquez only streams the waveform podcast and he wouldn't sit and watch our videos on the wave for podcast so it hasn't really come up um but but shroud explicitly is a streamer who I know does watch our videos on stream and I explicitly said yeah it's chill dude go ahead whereas with Marquez the agreement is more of like a trade we are welcome to use clips from his videos with proper attribution and he's welcome to use clips from our videos with proper attribution neither of us worries about emailing the every time but there's an agreement there that's a cross-licensing agreement doesn't need a fair use defense it just is an agreement anyway sorry I talked about that for a lot longer than I expected to sorry I know it's like boring for a lot of pe oh apparently it's not that boring people are very tuned into this okay well at any rate uh good luck everyone with your with your fair use drama and Meanwhile we're just going to keep doing our thing which involves actually hiring people and actually like pay paying them to write scripts and shoot videos and make real original content yeah and it's really hard and it's really hard yeah it's really hard um choco Kaiser asked how about ason gold watching videos on stream how about it I don't think I don't Linus's comments is about any particular streamer we're talking about the the new nuances and complications of the space in general yep but but about that I've never given him permission but with that said as a prominent Creator it doesn't really affect me that much not in a meaningful way so if you know asmon gold or moist critical or whatever were to just and to be clear some are better than others the more commentary and the less of the original content you use well the more transformative it is and the less of the original cont content you used and the the more of a a positive effect you're having on the market for the original content right so U not all of them are equal in this regard and not all of them are consistent in this regard some of them will do a really good job sometimes and a really not very good job other times however for my part we've never gone after anybody for it because of reasons that are actually nothing to do with fair use one I don't need the money that bad if someone gets a million views watch watching my video on stream or whatever it's not like I'm not going to eat this month I'm not a small Creator anymore so it's it's it's like yeah obviously I wouldn't mind the couple Grand right like I could I could I can pay for stuff around here with that but I'm also going to be okay but there was no major utility in going after like every single person that reacted to like the hard R thing good gravy no no and it honestly just would have taken a lot of time the other thing too is that I have to consider sort of my own brand image in all of this right like I'm what do I do do I want to become that guy in the community that like goes after everybody for using his Clips a lot of people legitimately do not understand fair use and think that streamers using these clips is totally legit and above board and they're just I I don't know how to explain it other than well they've never looked into it or they're dumb or they just have like a super close parasocial relationship with their favorite stream and couldn't imagine them doing anything wrong or like you know whatever it is right like it's they're wrong but they're confidently wrong which is a which is a scary dangerous kind of wrong right and I don't I don't need to create that kind of drama where I'm where I'm like going after people legitimately enforcing my own copyright only to have the community turn around and like get mad at me like I'm the bad guy for doing what is legally well within my rights for the content I've worked hard and spent a lot of money to create and like you said said at our scale it's not making that much of an impact anyways um yeah but smaller creators who are being hurt by this in a big way like I'll just sell more screwdrivers let's go come on buy some screwdrivers all I have to do is say that it really does work if I say buy screwdrivers especially on W show you guys are like you guys are actually nuts um you guys are just like okay let's buy more screwdrivers this week like they're really will is an uptick um I I'm actually not saying that I'm actually going to say wait until next week and then buy some screwdrivers oh is it next it might be two weeks but yeah wait until sometime yeah there don't okay buy a screwdriver eventually hold on I got to roll my dice to see if my Force yeah yeah Works nice chat be like too late too late there's also and I want to reiterate this point too there's a huge range to this type of stuff um and it's all not not only are the four pillars like kind of gray the huge range of different types of react content out there is also kind of gray some people do it significantly more transformatively I I've seen people who have done react content to like a two-minute video and the video is like 55 minutes long because they start going into whatever and it's like okay that's that's one way to do it another way to do it is to entirely leave the room for the entire duration of the video as it just Auto plays on your stream or whatever else there's there's and there's everything in between so I don't know it's not it's not up to us to really decide but someone's going to eventually and that'll be of an extremely interesting day speaking of interesting day hold on I was going to say i' because so many of these people are live like 68 10 hours a day I'd have to imagine that when this goes down like when the first one gets for real like a 10 Mill million dollar lawsuit or something like that or like get served I I'd be I'd be very interested to see if everybody's live and like figuring this out in real time like oh wow I am actually next and oh wow if they win that suit there are so many other potential litigators that could be coming right after them like I am done I have a big feeling a lot of people just don't want to be the first like a lot of the litigators don't want to be the first one but yeah we'll see I also think if stuff like this does go to court it's going to be some of the most viewed content like ever cuz the streamers are definitely going to find ways to stream it oh yeah for sure 100% it's going to be very interesting and they're going to find ways to try and weaponize Their audience against whoever whoever goes after them whether that's the right thing to do or not and the funny thing is like so many of the big copyright holders are definitely Super Evil even if oh yeah suing over very valid infringement of their copyrighted content is not a particularly evil thing to do yeah like it would be pretty easy to you know turn something around on Disney and go you know yeah well you do whatever whatever and whatever how are how do you imagine yourself to be on some kind of moral High Ground here what I just I just it's going to be a Gong Show The Meta moment of people live reacting to people on stream reacting to live streamers who reacted to content who are getting sued in court is just going to be the sickest like meta view ever I don't know it's going to be wild if it happens I don't know anyways new to I'd love to see Twitch Plays I'd 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of different anchor pages that you're on like on it's it's all over the place like look at look at this one a apparently uh apparently they are the official charging partner for lineus Tech tips yeah they're not we don't have one right now yeah cool all right anyway so we cover a really really wide range of tech and we had a situation this week where I got up looking at a script that I hadn't reviewed I can't review every single one but I got up started reading off the prompter and within two paragraphs I had found about it was either three or four not errors but things that were left open to interpretation in a way that could have potentially resulted in someone coming away with the wrong impression and it made me think like what is a realistic solution to this because we can't expect our generalist writers to know everything about anything uh we can't take up the labs's team with all the data that they're busy figuring out to build workflows for and generate um what is a solution to this and it made me think remember in the early days of vessel where we would launch videos with Early Access and so people on vessel would have seven days to watch before the video would be uploaded to YouTube and they ended up catching a lot of little things that like okay you know realistically if we were perfect we would have caught in the first place and we do catch a lot of stuff and we do catch a lot of stuff and we mostly get things right but you know sometimes it's sometimes it's an editor interpreting guidance from a writer that was written based on uh a verbal conversation with me and things can get things can get lost in translation a little bit or we can or we can miss things or there's even problems where like if you put a graphic on screen that was generated in house sometimes if the first and the last letters of a word are correct sometimes brain will just like sort it out so what do you think of the idea of recruiting like uh like a a community like bug tracker Squad crack team of investigators what would a program like that look like to make sense Bott of it I um I there was a there was I kind of pitched earlier I don't know if you saw that message but a hidden channel on Flow plane um that is already functionality that we have like I have a channel on Flo plane that is not public it's like videos of my bird and random stuff like that that I use for testing uploads um so we can have a hidden Channel That's invite only that people could check out I don't know how you recruit for that Community necessarily how do we make this make sense though make it like a worthwhile thing for them to do yeah like is this the kind of thing where it could be like a bug Bounty style system how do you do that when cuz realistically our problem is that with the breadth of things that we talk about with the breadth of things that we cover like people are like you hire a fact cheer it's like yeah I could I could hire a fact Checker but like no one is going to know electrical engineering and mechanical engineering and something literally every flavor of engineering some weird motherboard from 15 years ago and all of the history of All Electronics ever and and that time that Apple actually they did do that thing you said they've never done like it's it's it's something that can be done but it's something that is not necess necessarily practically done would involve probably doubling the size of the writing team which is not necessarily realistic um so how do we make a program like this make sense to everyone and people are saying yeah your fan base is is incredible and they would do it for free and it's like yeah we know that but the point is not to be exploitative the point is to do it in a way that does make sense and if we had a bug checking program it's like what are we supposed to be writing like 50 checks to people who found one bug like what's what's a what does a payment threshold for that even look like like honestly this is the first valid application of something like like a lonus crypto coin that I no I'm serious though like some kind of some kind of token or something so that it actually you know gets gets paid out at some point once you reach some thre like I actually don't know the way to do this yeah we could we could have like um people are talking about okay you could you could find a bug and you get a get credit towards your float plane account or something like that but that's that kind of screws over float planes books um a little bit I just punched the think that's on you though I don't I mean I don't care that depends on what our new CEO sets all your kpis as so fair enough that's on him then I have nothing to do with that well it could I'm just saying it could be on you is all sure I'm just saying it might matter yeah um I I don't know like he'll have to answer for the previous CEO's businesses people are talking about like LTT store credits um you know like what I I want to spitball this because I I the first reaction internally was let's hire a fact Checker or a factchecking team and I'm like the the just the sheer volume they're going to have to look at because they're not just going to look at things once they're going to have to look at it at the draft stage they're going to have to look at it again when I'm done with it because I might make changes that introduce errors for the most part I reduce errors in our scripts you guys wouldn't believe people can just have a bad day even really smart people on the team who are really knowledgeable can just it up like really bad and I'll come and I'll be like hey I don't actually know the right answer here necessarily because I don't have a background in this but this ain't it but this does not look right and we'll have to dig into it together and like that's why script review can sometimes take two or three hours right it's not because I just enjoy the sound of my own voice it's because I'm trying to make sure that the the quality of the content is as good as we can get it and I'm pretty experienced at it and it's already not something that I would even have time to do to look at every piece of content at remember stage three it needs to be looked at again once it's been edited because there could be visual errors um sticker packs now someone says the Bigfoot says the trouble with crowdsourcing it is that you'll have to have an internal team to filter out the garbage reports you get yeah absolutely but that's at least manageable that's a manageable number of hires we could hire two researchers whose job is to take every report and actually find out like like be the Gophers internally to okay someone said that display HDR 600 something something okay I'm going to go talk to Brandon about this and verify it while also calling up Vasa and seeing what they have to say about it it would take you an astronomical amount of time to fact check every single statement ever made in every single piece of content that we release but even if you're not a subject matter expert you could probably fact check one specific statement that was flagged by three different like red team reviewers um and call up the right people like you were saying email up the right people whatever it is and get to the bottom of it people are suggesting you know it could be like an intern team or something like that and the counter to that is like ay we don't really believe in hiring people just for being cheap labor it would need to potentially lead to a full-time job yeah like like we're not we're not about that and B having Junior people do this actually would be kind of counter productive I have found over the years that new people can be intimidated and can actually really struggle to bring up problems and it's it's nothing against them it's just it's kind of part of human nature right when there's a power imbalance in an interaction you tend to shy away from you know being negative or being critical whereas the audience doesn't which is one of the reasons actually that I want to find a way to do this with the audience because you fers don't hold back oh man um yeah it's rough because like I I think I think it kind of has to be manual recruitment or else you're just releasing all the videos early to everyone uh so it has to be manual recruitment so then are you dealing with like applications or do you have someone internally like head hunting you just grab current like moderators because they'd be down but then you're putting more work they're already like they're already helping us in a big way and we appreciate appreciate appreciate our moderators so and and and you know those those guys are usually down for whatever I know so so that's the thing by putting it on them you are just adding work I hate asking people who are already voluntarily doing stuff because you know it's in their nature to to want to be helpful and you're like yo so you have to limit your ass I can't I don't want to put any pressure on you actually though yeah yeah like I would never ask timestamp guy to do the time stamps I would never be like hey we've got a special stream plan on a Tuesday can you make sure you can you make sure you make it we need on time that's messed up right you can't do that if in addition to magically knowing that the W Show's going to be four hours late yeah shout out timestamp guy float plane chat love time stamp guy and that's the kind of community interaction you guys should be the ones who are reinforcing people for engaging in the community in a way that is Meaningful to them and meaningful to you like that's beautiful that's what we want to see we want to see you guys being cool to each other we don't want to like tell you to do stuff that then then you just should work here at that point right so I'm I don't know I'm I'm not saying how we're going to do it I'm not saying we have to come to like a final conclusion today for how this is going to work but it's just something that I want to kind of float by the community and um and see you know what they think of and uh cuz I don't know part of what I know is we can set up that hidden Channel we do direct invites for it we can manage all the stuff that way that way cuz there was there was a suggestion at one point in time to make it a sub channel uh for nonfat plane users we have like primary channels or Creator channels and then sub channels so like the lonus Media Group one has all of the different YouTube channels under it plus like the LX exclusives Etc um I didn't like that because it was going to show up in people's feeds as locked all the time but there would be no way for people to access it not pay to access it no with sub channels it would show up in notifications but yeah so I like the idea of a hidden Channel instead um but then people aren't going to see it all the time yeah so like what's the mechanism for them to want to like apply to join or whatever mechan or however we I think calling it out on W show is simple enough like have a form or something like this is what I know I'm a mechanical engineer I I am happy to watch videos that could use that I wonder if an easier way would be for for them to just self self- select and then you know in the videos that we published cuz we wouldn't even necessarily leave them up like why would we so in the drafts that we publish we would basically just say um you know audio uh you know IO Technologies display and if you like know stuff about that then you dive in I almost wonder if we're going to have to switch to like Google Docs too so you so because right now we use Microsoft for all of our internal script writing and for like um annotating and and and all that kind of stuff there coners I don't know if you were in it there was a conversation today about doing that yeah so maybe maybe it's finally time to do it and then part of the process for this is that we're publishing these drafts with people having comment access and letting them kind of have conversations and kind of go okay yeah you know when you said HDMI is ideal for 4K output you really should have specified HDMI 2.0 and then someone goes actually I think they should specify HDMI 2.0 and up that's the most correct way to say it because that's the kind of little stuff that generally is slipping under the radar the only problem that I see happening there so I I I like the idea primarily moving to Google Docs nice uh moving on from there the comment system thing the only problem I is that there's going to need to be some amount of like moderation in regards to who can do it and the we run the the the possibility of like you know hurting some feels because it's going to need to be focused we also run the possibility of creating some negativity internally I mean one of the things that that I had proposed even though I had no idea how to administer it was maybe we should take part of the writing team's bonus structure and start paying it out to people who catch bugs just say yeah you guys keep all of this until there's like a hundred Corrections in our videos this month from the community and then it actually gets paid out to them instead now obviously punitive measures all they do is create negativity so we're not going to do that right but it you know from my point of view you know if I pay people to be correct well then I might as well pay the correct people who are actually correct about when to be a good oh I know I know you can't do stuff like that but there are definitely times I wish I could yeah yeah yeah yeah so then you know the the question is just a really bad idea oh I know the question is like well okay where does that bucket come from then right do we have a way of that's where like the L speaking of bad ideas that's where the Linus coin thing comes from like do like what is our way of what is our way of administering this like I literally cannot have Ivon writing 50 Cent checks yeah that is literally I I think how most of these things would work is you would you would like grow your pool up to a payout minimum sure but then kind of like the same issue that you see with something like a twitch the vast majority of people will never reach that minimum and then and then you have the potential to create negativity in the community and that's even worse I would actually rather have a tough you know tough dad conversation with someone internally where I can make it up to them in some other way you know down the line but that's that's that negative negativity in the community thing is the thing that I'm kind of worried about the on the like free comment thing on the sheet for sure because if if someone's like if if if Emily's working on a on a dock and sure someone sees that Emily's working on the dock and they're like like I've always wanted to talk to Emily I'm going to make a comment saying hi Emily like that's very distracting for people and actually like can't happen it has to stay objective it has to stay on topic it has to be exactly what you were kind of talking about right uh you should have specified 2.0 uh you should maybe specify 2.0 and above both of those comments are great but when you get into like kind of off topic conversational stuff or instead of identifying a problem and then research happening to make sure that they find the right answer and then plugging in right answer it's identify a problem and then discuss it for half an hour because that's kind of more entertaining like those things that's not going to be good you know Jack ws3 says your staff doesn't have to be an expert on everything but if you're going going to be dropping information you should double check that information no matter what it's amazing how many things are common knowledge that are completely false in this Modern Age and it's just a good thing to work towards not letting that standard slip and bypassing it like a modern mainstream media organization that's exactly what we're trying to do we're just trying to cast the widest possible net because I think yeah that's that's been a real struggle is that one person or even a dozen people can't know everything about everything and you're going to have mistakes and we don't want them yeah so so atomic age Ace said wouldn't this just create more work people can be confidently Incorrect and you'll have to review every blah blah blah blah blah yeah I mean that's almost guaranteed going to happen there might even be someone who's consistently very correct and then every once in a while just tries to correct something and is wrong about it that's why you have more than one person looking at it yeah and we yeah yeah moderating it does sound sound like kind of a challenge I think we'd have to start with a pretty small cohort um and you know the like Community Management of this is just going to be hard because like if someone is really genuinely trying to contribute and then we end up like removing them from the pool or or they contribute in a way that is really positive they they correct something and then I go through in my script review and I go this is entirely tangental to the point of this video uh this whole section is well then their work was like wasted it's like well no because you know part of this too is I've always seen it as a two-way street right like people learn from the videos and I also learn from reading the comments that's why I read them it's because I will often learn things in the comments right it's the classic what's the best way to learn something on the Internet say something wrong and wait for someone to correct you right like I have I have learned more from Reading comments in all these years years then I probably have well I shouldn't say that no I haven't learned more than I have firsthand but I've learned a lot from Reading comments and then especially doing follow-up reading of my own to kind of broaden my understanding of why someone said the thing that they said um yeah well let's let's let's think someone said why not just make your writer site their sources and submit the sources for review doesn't really work that way yeah uh it doesn't mean that they quoted The Source properly also the source like sometimes the source is US yeah like what if okay what if the writer were to say something like um display port 1.4 uh can't run at this resolution and refresh rate but what it turns out is that the particular monitor that they ran it on borked out before that and they just had no way of knowing that that was that that was not possible because like it was supposed to or something then if someone jumped in and went well hold on a second I'm actually running that that resolution refresh rate on my monitor so so it can do it well then all of a sudden hey at least we're investigating that and we're kind of going oh well instead of us giving up now that we thought oh okay well it's a limitation with the interface now we get to explore why this monitor can't do it right like it's it's making sure that we're not wasting our time going down the wrong paths as well like it's not that we're not willing to do the work we just want to make sure we're doing the right work so let's bit of a Community Management mindfield well lots of options Stephen's doing a great job so far I think he's off his 90-day probation now so I can I can talk about chewy um yeah he's uh he we finally have a dedicated Community manager person on the social team so this is something that I could see him really sinking his teeth into is you know trying to get something like this going and collaboration with James and Jake and the rest of the writing team but we'll see you and and and you know what he's been a really good advocate for the community internally so if he sees a way yeah like I'm not slagging him at all to be clear this just sounds like a very difficult task for for him yeah but I think he's got a he's got a lot of experience not in this specifically but like like twitch moderation and stuff like that so he as an as a community member for so many years I think he understands that side's perspective good I don't I'm not saying he hasn't been already to be clear but probably a good person to include in the ideation of this yeah yeah oh oh there's no way that I would just prescribe how we're doing this I don't do that anymore that's actually not my job anymore but um it's just something that as the vision officer I've kind of visioned that realistically if we want to cast the widest possible net and want to make sure that we are investigating the right things well our community has always been our number one source we are just doing it before publication instead of after publication which seems smart yeah seems wise yeah okay oh all right well why don't you pipe up then Dan if you know what we're supposed to be doing you don't even have your mic ready Mr three merch messages shake the sign don't make me tap the sign I was going to say it's like he's tapping the glass uh you want some merch messages then you're going to move on no no I don't I want to open this gift that I got at LTX let's open the gift just as an Fu to Dan The Giver assured me it is not a bomb but I'm going to have you open it anyway I'm going to step out for unrelated reasons thanks Dan no he's still there why wait isn't it a gift for you why do you want me to opening I don't know you want me to like present it to you just to make sure it's not a bomb okay sounds good I'm down you'll check though right yeah I mean realistically a bomb that size it's not like I'm actually saving myself so yeah I know I thought you were being like I'd be fine I'm like nah well if you turn the other way that would help a lot I'll do like this just meat Shield okay am I going for it sacrificial Luke we need a shirt now this is fine I'm surprisingly comfortable this position just like Luke and fetal position crouching over an exploding bomb I got it guys get out of here okay okay oh I have no idea what's in here um a Creator gave it to me at LTX it's not it's not a bomb it's a little I was a little surprised it's a fan um it's a heat sink maybe it's the box is sealed maybe it's in a Heats SN box wait so you haven't even shown the audience yet Luke are you a professional video host or what don't worry he's good he's good at this we can't I can't like there's no like Zoom but it's it's a heat sink yeah it's a heat sink well there is actually a zoom luk there we go don't worry Dan I got it there you go ETS F40 FS oh is this like is this uh so it's a heat sink but is there something else in it maybe it's it's sealed has it been resealed I don't think so oh I definitely didn't just rip it uh well just rip it it's fine yeah but I ripped the cardboard is it because they're my biggest fan no probably not I I think they're I think are you going to name the Creator or is this like a uh wow you put me on the spot like that I don't remember okay uh I'm so sorry wow you just it is it is made me say it it is definitely just a heat SN it's definitely a heat SN not just a heat syn to be clear it's a very nice he huh but it's not it's not like it hasn't been replaced this is clearly an unopened box a prime and float plane chat did you just get regifted you might want to put the phone back in before is this is this like like was this in an early video no this is new he uploaded a video of him giving it to you uh yeah oh he say who was it yeah did he like say it's meaningful for a particular reason really is it can I can I can I yeah yeah yeah is it what what does someone say there's people making let that sink in jokes like I don't know maybe I'm not CEO anymore or like um uh I feel bad did I just get trolled I don't know I was apparently supposed to open it there like on the spot but I was on my way into the byoc to do I think the beat saer 1V One Challenge or something like that did you put the sticker back and you resealed it yeah so that you could regift it again oh okay um yeah Merry Christmas Dan yeah you're going to count okay no no it's heavy it's heavy it's heavy I'm not going to I'm not do it you coward all right fine we're going for it all it smacked the monitor it's okay I got four we're good it actually it shrank that one in front of you you might want to raise it back up there you go it hit the top of the monitor it forgot I've also got glass here it's okay we'll clean it up on he dared me that was such a bad throw you want to throw it hard it's his equipment that's true that's true are you going to Dent me come on who cares yeah what's the CEO going to do get me in trouble tell my mom exactly tell my wife that's a lot worse in this situation wasn't a the CEO might tell the CFO what the CVO did to [Laughter] Dan oh okay chief Dan officer so yeah anywh who um he officiates the Dans cool um I'm not even the best Dan at this company what do you mean does anyone have the name of the creator that gave it to me I'm so sorry I feel abolutely do we know what this is or that no no you can open those now too we've got some other stuff for Luke to open I don't know I don't know I no one handed me these so I don't have to like feel bad about having no idea why there was a fan in a box um okay it's a mug there's a mug okay here we're going to we're going to Loop cam there's a mug there's a graphic on the mug but I I haven't been able to really make it out yet oh we love Tech tips and it's I'm assuming them and their cat oh that's cute all right fantastic it will live there for now until it doesn't thank you for that Luke here we go thank you very much and there's a letter it looks like a birthday card I do play sports that involve throwing by the way straff I played softball on Wednesday night and I did great okay this is actually great this is fantastic this adds a lot of context to The Mug who the hell sends a mug with their photo on it I'm Ryu and I do I also love the W show only L and Paul's Hardware have this mug now I don't sell these I'm just bored that honestly I I appreciate it much more now knowing that you are bored genuinely genuinely adds a lot to it's like I'm just going to do a thing I'm feeling bored today I'm just going to do a thing and you did a thing and I appreciate it very cool Rod you are so welcome to join us for softball night if you email me um we would love to have you there we had a blast we had 17 people turn out this week we had a ton of fun we play a bit of a different format so your team pitches so the pitcher is actually on your team oh interesting I kind of like that they lob it underhand and the idea is if you all suck it's like actually better that way the idea is to have highs scoring games lots of offense so the pitcher gets only two throws period yep fair enough ball strike tip doesn't matter cool two throws per batter and then the inning is over once everyone on the team is batted I haven't been going CU I don't want to blow up my shoulder so there's no outs it's just it's more like a pitch limit so you get however many pitches your team has players times two and then the pitcher swaps out at the end and so typically your pitcher is your like your your Slugger actually because you want them to to hit clean up at the end and just kind of try and try and move everybody around the bases so it's a super fun format to play especially with novice players who aren't going to hit too far absolutely um tons and tons of offense so the game was like 24 to 23 after four Innings CU people are just like you know guys like um man freaking uh Elijah from uh Logistics I'm pretty sure hit a pretty good Dinger um I had a home run very nice very nice man oh man I Jak bance threw him for a loop cuz I hit a home run last time and so he was all like I'm going to move way out into into left field and I'm going be ready for this one and I was like oh you don't actually know how good I am at batting do you because uh boom deep to right field see you later buddy so he had to run cuz we don't have enough players to have like all the outfielders playing anyways really fun maybe I could just go and just play Outfield or something but I can't yeah I can't I can't bat or pitch cuz my shoulder so it uh we did have someone who like wasn't able to run later on and they just had someone pinch run for them so like whatever like come hang out we had pizza I could run for people yeah yeah whatever yeah whatever so yeah Rod you are you are totally welcome just email me for those of you who don't know who Rod is on float plane he's Rod like of BS mods like helped us do scrapyard Wars shows up for LTX literally every single time tirelessly helps us run the show uh one of our most amazing Community uh volunteers um super cool guy uh PC modder anyway we love we love rod and he's welcome to join us for softball night um okay oh oh my God we have to talk about the merch we're launching this week Luke how did you let me forget to talk about it again I already mentioned it I blame you I already mentioned it I'm just I'm throwing things at people today wow no I'll throw that at the float plane guys he was ready he was ready for it and that's Labs web so let's talk about behavioral conditioning the reason that everyone started flinching is because even though I joked about throwing things at people earlier I actually did it once twice I am unpredictable I did I did throw it Twi actually hit me in the but no I threw a dangerous thing once so so now when I have the mug people are like oh no he actually might do it he might do it I still think you might yeah it doesn't help you're like genuinely very unpredictable sometimes yeah I do it on purpose because if you're predictable you're boring and my job is to PE keep people engaged in our content if we made the same video with the same formula every time we wouldn't have the kind of staying power that we do it matters it matters yeah yeah yeah I already bonked my head real bad and have a bump on it yesterday you might as well add another one just send it I promise I won't sue [Laughter] you what about Dan I'll sue Dan you hit me with that mug I I don't the rules how it works he's the one I actually threw something at well I mean with that throw you actually just threw it at your monitor got him I like to think I'm chaotic good though oh oh yeah they're talking about this in the float plane chat there's too many staff in the float plane chat tonight it's making questionably chaotic good yeah but unquestionably chaotic yeah I mean the way the alignment chart works though it's not like a no you're right yeah it doesn't lean more than yeah yeah it's it's kind of like uh like binary what you are right or or can you be slightly good I think way that you play your character yes okay um but when you pick your spot on the chart I mean it's pretty when you when you write down what it is you're writing down those words you know so probably say chaotic neutral yeah Dan did say do it coward yeah I mean this is that's not I mean literally my fault at that point yeah I mean he is the victim but it's pretty clear we have to blame him Dan is also chaotic for sure oh yeah oh Dan's 100% chaotic okay why do we keep not talking about the new merch this week you're not allowed luk Luke yes I am allowed no you can't tell Luke US Government wants to ban from buy sensitive consumer data a recently Declassified are you going to do the mer look at the sign confirm suppos to a agencies are purchasing large amounts of sensitive data from private vendors as a loophole to acquire information that would typically require J's approval to obtain they're just sitting there why do you keep calling them flow plane guys they're they're LA's web I don't know who works for any company anymore I know they've literally never been here before but I expect you to know I tried to meet you the other day I'm sorry anyways I will continue the topic I guess now there is a bipartisan effort in the US House of Representatives to amend the National Defense AU authorization act to restrict US military agencies from purchasing data that would otherwise require a warrant court order or subpoena in a separate effort last week members of the House Judiciary Committee unanimously voted to advance legislation that would Place similar restrictions for purchasing data on all levels and sectors of government representatives of Representatives of the an there I fixed it no we're done here it's time to talk about the new merch that we have for this week we're going to get to a few merch messages very quickly here we'll go to the Luke cam where he is actually rocking one of the new products this is oh good lord I don't even know what we call it but it's really really comfortable it looks super cool and it's ah it's the RGB shirt in Gray he actually has the long sleeve version of it we have a short sleeve and a long sleeve version of this it's just as soft and freaking awesome as the as the light version of it it has the same little um they're called neps there we go it has the same little multicolored Flex looks awesome in person uh your mic is still not plugged in awesome in person it's a little hard to tell in photos yeah it this is a much better representation of what it looks like at a distance like between me and Luke than hold on it seems like you'd have to be that close up to see it but that's not true not even a little it looks freaking awesome and is super comfort and it's uh what is it $24.99 we don't care how long or you like your sleeves either way it's the same price cuz that's how we roll yeah let's go and in other news so this is an entirely new product or at least a new variant of an existing product an old classic has finally made a return the indoor hoodie is back baby in two colors Gray and less gray it's not inaccurate it may not be the most accurate way to say that but it isn't technically wrong uh okay what what's what's happening here hey look at that got all these great pictures got all these great sizes this took flipping forever because we had to make it to the same standard of quality as the old indoor hoodie and keep all the things people loved about the old old indoor hoodie but we had to go to a new supplier because the old one anyway we don't use them anymore and yeah it's back it is beloved it's $49.99 and people we had literally over 3,000 backin stock signups for this one and think about the percentage of people that have less of a strong intent to buy and go to a page and just like don't bother getting a back in stock notification but they're like yeah I'll just like check back at some this these yeah these things are flying yeah yeah um all right so since we now know what people are checking out this week why don't we do a few merch messages no we'll do the merch message in a sec first let's finish the thing because that's actually a really important topic uh the US Banning itself from buying sensitive consumer data uh representatives of the NSA have apparently reached out to lawmakers this is great to express concerns about these changes where they telling themselves hey we're not allowed to buy um citizen information that would otherwise require a warrant court order subpoena um the NSA has admitted to doing this buying this data from brokers in the past and its lawyers have reportedly created extensive internal guidelines for the collection of commercially available data however some of those rules are classified this is great cuz I was always kind of wondering who is buying all this freaking data that everyone's colle oh something that immediately with lots of money something that immediately set up alarm bells for me on this one yeah was could they still just work with another company um CU like what if they didn't buy the data but they worked with another company that bought the data I'd have to hope that they would you know try to cover feel like this is It's a step in the right seen American tax code okay can we just say that at least acknowledging that this is a problem is a step in the right direction yeah I I I don't know between the amount of potential loopholes that I'm kind of sniffing out here and also just like if this level of if information that would require a warrant is out there being sold I feel like there's a root issue here that we should solve I mean there's a lot of information that requires a warrant that is stuff that people give away freely on the internet right like it's yeah but you shouldn't be able to buy it well I don't know maybe the more effective way would be to say you can't sell it but then businesses would be unhappy that's not allowed all I'm saying is this is a step in the right direction at least even saying hey this is a problem is something which is more than we had before I don't disagree I just got a sour taste reading this feeling like I don't think this is going to change anything if it goes through you're probably right you're probably right and it feels like one of those things like you know like like the problems with things like security theater where like it doesn't really solve the problem but it makes people think that the problem's solved sure which is kind of a problem it's a problem in and of itself yep yeah using taxpayer dollars to pay for stolen data yeah I love it isn't that great yeah that's sick cute very awesome um moving on moving on we need do three merch mess yeah that's what we are supposed to be doing for the last like 20 minutes hit me Dan oh man lonus you seemed nervous for the first bit last wow but quickly seemed to be having a blast okay I saw some comments about this too I didn't read that at all I thought you were fine I thought I was like I I took a few seconds to kind of get into the groove of things oh see I thought you did great oh and I I definitely felt a little bit off the whole time though I didn't feel like it was at the beginning and not at the end a little bit yeah it's weird doing it live we the biggest weird thing for me is we didn't have our monitors yeah like we had we had the mics mine didn't fit me at all so I was trying to force it onto my head the whole time hilarious um but normally we can hear ourselves talking and like I can hear him talking through my thing I can hear Dan talking so I I know roughly what the stream hears yeah there I had no idea and it's it's really challenging too because for the same reason that in person is much higher energy and more Dynamic than when we host the show remotely live I'd say is another equal step down from remote and just the two of us because we have known each other a long time we read each other pretty well and we will just step on each other when he's about to ramble he's going to talk about AI for another 15 minutes and they don't care you know or you know it's it would be un fair for me to not give an equal um and opposite uh example um he's about to get the entire company destroyed I need to step on this before he continues talking okay there there's also also yeah we're good we're good there's also like you notice someone kind of stumbling so you just catch and keep going exactly and so we we can jump on each other like this and it's not disruptive to the pacing when we don't have to wait for a stream delay or when we don't have to wait for for you know the audience to have a chance to hear clearly laugh or potentially response cuz we would like ask a question which normally is just you know each other or and then and and then people in the audience would start yelling out answers which was like cool it was just different and delayed and delayed especially when someone will say something and then someone else is like haha I have something to add to that as well so it creates this Chain Reaction like which we're not sure that you can hear yeah it's tough it's tough yeah but yeah I I mean it's it's a really good energy though I definitely enjoy it but I don't know if it makes for a better show I got a lot of comments that people very much enjoyed it live uh and there was a bunch of comments saying that it was very kind of fun and interesting to watch on the on the VOD but I wouldn't be surprised if retention was like a little bit lower I'm going to check cuz now I'm curious but yeah it could be one of those things that people think they prefer but then when you look at the overall numbers most people don't yeah so yeah I mean we might as well do another merch message while I'm looking this up because I got to get into the sure sure this one's for Luke anyway cool hey Luke I've recently found myself falling into a VP of engineering position with my company I mean lucky congats just fell into it yeah man I wouldn't have bothered doing all this anyway carry on how have you handled difficult or eccentric Personalities in your new role as CTO you tell me Dan no I badly wow you need some training bud it's a good thing that that mic is on a stand because otherwise it would be on the ground um H man I don't know I don't think it's really been all that different than uh the management that I do in other departments I I feel like our entire company kind of uh attracts a relatively like similar type of person they're saying we have a type yeah kind of um so like yeah I don't I don't think it's been all that different um I know it's a very boring answer but yeah when you when you have the the type of people that we attract to this company in my opinion are very motivated very curious very driven a little quirky maybe distractable because they're adding onto every single possible thing all the time cuz everything's interesting and wow I'm going to do all the stuff so you know it's a lot of trying to make sure that people stay focused on the the meat and potatoes the the things that we have to get done but also giving them some time to do the things that are fun so that they stay motivated and driven It's Not Unusual in the tech space to find people who prefer computers to people yeah so sometimes you got to we got the devs nodding sometimes you got to drag those people out though because it's it's also good and I don't want to force it all the time but it is good for like team unity reasons and all these weird boring manager things that I can say sometimes that can make really tough conversations even tougher um you know sometimes it can actually this kind of Segways us pretty well into a topic that we do have to talk about this week but we'll we'll we'll do it in a little bit but sometimes it can lead to communication challenges um because you know we don't we don't really have formal training on like you know how to to talk to people how to talk to people internally how to talk to people externally how to pract yeah pretty much anything we're working on it okay we're working on it it's true um and and so you know you end up with uh you end up with a really I would say our team is the spice of life you know there's a there's ton of variety we don't have any NPCs here no very true yeah we have a lot of people who kind of look like NPCs like the generic bearded white dude is very over represented here yeah yeah Dan you had you didn't even point the camera to the guy next to you well sorry I don't have to oh I get it I get it get it but but but you you should do it anyway though uh what is it this one yeah yeah look more generic bearded white dudes there's four of us in a room fantastic and it's a podcast the white perspective oh okay what are we talking about let's do literally anything else other than this oh God no I'm just not going to say anything just G to leave it I'm anyways yeah management stuff really didn't change much um same type of people in in in you know interests and skill sets and stuff like that um just focused on different things and it's been good next merch message please yes sir give me something controversial Dan oh uh let's make him squirm okay was ldx as successful as you had hoped there you go I don't know that is the real honest goodness answer I have the revenue numbers but I don't have any of the expenses so there's more Revenue than I expected but what I do know about the expenses even if I don't have any numbers for them is that they were more than we expected how much more don't know however I will say that aside from the business side of things which is very important which is is is critical like that determines whether we can continue to do it um the community side was absolutely incredible other than a couple of cranky posts the first day that I'm not saying the crankiness was illegitimate I'm just saying it was present other than a couple of cranky posts the first day the community reaction from creators and from viewers and from our vendors uh like like our our commercial Partners there has been overwhelmingly positive pretty much every major brand that participated that has talked to us about it at all has said we want to double down for next year we are already thinking about budgets for 2024 and how we can come back way bigger because uh the vibe is just oh it was Immaculate totally different than any other show and that is by Design you remember the original pitch for this I shouldn't say the original pitch I should say cuz 17 was supposed to be just like a Meetup to serve the purpose of meetups so that we just like don't have to do them anymore do you remember what I called 18 it's been a long time I called it a carnival yes yeah I remember that and that was why we had like bounce games and that was why we had 17 had games as well I think you were calling it Carnival back at 17 because it had like the bungee rope running game did 17 have that are you sure yep because that was at the Langley Event Center I have photos of it so fine originally then it was a conival yeah so it's a a convention slash but there has to be engaging stuff to do and we drilled that into the brand partners because you if you leave a brand partner in to design their Booth they will have a little table with a tablecloth and they will put their product on it and they will sit there and they will wait for people to ask them about their product or or you get the like not to I I've I've lovingly gone to packs for many years um and not to dog packs but something that happens there decently often is you'll get this massive Booth from this massive game publisher that is used entirely as hopefully it's cushy comfy carpet land because there's just like TVs playing YouTube trailers of their games and nothing else yeah it's like man what why did you even show up so we we told we told Brands look as cool and chill as it is that you want to give us money to be here that is actually not your primary main objective your primary main objective is to be interesting is to have an activation that people can actively participate in sorry so that we have stuff for people to do and so we were like look we're flexible about it it it can be as it can be as on topic or as off topic as you want so like vesa was there and they had Can you spot the difference like HDR versus not HDR and we had we had Brandon from the lab there to talk people through you know what they were seeing uh Ari had a cool setup where you could like operate a freaking you know $80,000 camera or whatever that rig was actually probably that lens was probably worth $80,000 um and I forget you I forget if you could film something or like sh we uh we had a thumbnail Booth where people could take assets and create their own thumbnail so we wanted things that people could sit down and and do and and be doing we don't want people walking around we want people doing stuff we want them doing stuff with other members of the community and most of the brand kind of got it um this year next year we are going to draw a much firmer Line in the Sand if you don't have something cool to do in your booth you are not coming that simple if next year happens if next year happens which is not confirmed because business things yeah um and I'd say I'd say that in terms of getting closer to what uh my vision for the for the event was this year was a big step up and I got to give major kudos to the team because I actually gave them far less guidance this year than I had in previous years and we ended up with something that was far closer to what I wanted than previous years so they had just nailed it um there are certain things that I probably could have told them should have been done a different way there was a few things that like uh not to dog on them but there was a few things that like if 2019 was last year we wouldn't have made that mistake totally yeah because it's it's some of that like you know top of Mind type of problem it's not just us like the line management complely the line Management on the first day our spec was way better than what got laid out everybody's Rusty yeah the whole convention industry was like off for there was communication to to at least me that the event staff at the convention had been laid off during coid and is is a lot of very you know new hires that are not super experienced with Cons with that level of enthusiastic attendance a lot of conventions that show up it's like industry events and stuff like that rou industry stuff people are just kind of cruising around this was like you know a very hype event yeah and there's a um different type of management there's like a uh man even attendees I feel like kind of bunged it up in a certain way like I went through the line for the build it-yourself screwdriver at the beginning of the first day yeah and I walked through and went to to a number of people I was like this is a really long line there are lots you should go do something else right now and none of them left they all just stayed in the line and I get it I actually get it because you you want to get it right away so like you can get it signed by people or or whatever right like I get it but also you know a lot of the complaints we got were about how long that line was I'm like ah but yeah but if no matter how many things there are to do in the hall if everybody just goes to the same thing first and then immediately goes up and lines up for the next thing second there were things we could man we could have processed the line faster same with like oh man pickups we we didn't even find out that the convention center had a special Wi-Fi network that's like more stable for POS terminals until late in the first day yeah that would have saved us so muching time pretty sick if they told us that I am not blaming the community for anything we we play our own part but also I just think people are just kind of a little rusty about how to min max this stuff from the convention center side from our side from the brand side from the attendees like everyone's just like yeah we got to get somewhere to go again yeah my my group that goes down to PS we used to like plan stuff out quite specifically around like line timings and all this kind of stuff so it is what it is yeah gats in float plane chat says yeah it's been rough our community just our our company just did our first convention since pre-co and I could tell we were all rusty I mean at least you guys still have the team right like yeah at least we still have our team it would be really hard if we just had all new people yeah I would have had to micromanage the bloody thing something that I really really didn't like um and I know this is like different people have different opinions on this um and I'm not judging anyone else's opinion on this but for me when there was the meetups like the official scheduled meetups yeah when the time got down to 15 seconds like why are we even here well actually no I'm going to counter that argument I think that for next year with high volume meet and greet people we should actually have multiple lines so we should have like a literal selfie only line where people basically get like they hand someone their phone they go in get the hell out of here this is the and so on and so forth because oh sorry go ahead no this is the other kind of problem too is you need the person that's like doing the line management to be very like outgoing and on it and everyone was new this year because the 100% And I'm not I'm not dogging on anyone I appreciate the help it was a lot of volunteers it would have not worked at all without you so I'm not digging there but like there would be times I have to like shout out to everyone in line like please it's a 15-second timer have your phone out and ready have the thing you want to sign ready let's do this like movement so my my idea was put the thing you want to sign on the table yeah after you've handed off your phone line up for photo I immediately go to sign the thing afterwards ask me a question whatever or don't and then and then we fire off but then we'd waste the entire more than the entire time window sometimes just having people F their pull their phones out get signed in sorry I'm not on the right oh oh I can take that picture for you oh thank you so much and then the timer zero and then oh wait it's on the wrong oh I'm not familiar with your app oh now I have to change the camera because you were going to take a selfie Okay Okay click click click horizontal click click click vertical um no there's literally 80 people in line behind you take one picture and not like I get it I get it I felt really bad there was but it's all the other people too right like it's not that I don't want to spend the next N9 minutes with you I would actually I would actually love that I would love to have one LTX were fantastic I'd love to have one longer conversation compared to a 100 meaningless short ones but you got to also understand a lot of people are just there to get a selfie or to get something signed to to you know collect all the signatures on their GPU or whatever so what I think I'm going to propose for next year is we have a Meetup line where you actually get at least 30 seconds to 45 seconds or a minute or whatever it is and then you have an Express line for just signing a thing you have an Express line for just taking a picture because they my first day they didn't cut off my line so I got to the end of my time when I actually needed to leave because I was at a prior commitment and there was a huge line left and so I basically went okay I have 3 minutes left what can I do and I was like all right everybody get your phones out now no phone out you're not in selfie camera mode I can't stop I'm going to walk through the line and so I basically just walked through the line it's a good idea click click click click click click click click click so I managed to hit like 40 to 60 people in like 5 minutes and so and for for a lot of them yeah they wanted to chitchat and I'm sorry feels bad yeah but if we could separate out the people who want to chitchat from the people who actually did just want to get a picture then we could process way more people way more efficiently so I just it's little things like that that I'd like to figure out how to do better yeah yeah um oh have we it feels bad too when like when you get into the rush it's when you get to the back of the line so it's a lot of people that have been waiting the longest yeah and then you're like well I'm completely out of time and I have to turn through this so you have like 5 Seconds sorry you just waited yeah I don't you waited for half an hour or whatever like I always feel B I hate wasting anybody's time one thing that I actually found pretty good success with was when I just like not be scheduled for something and I'll just randomly have a line form when I would know that I would need to leave soon I'd tell the person at the front of the line like just wait a second and I'd walk to the back and I would deputize whoever would be willing to not let anyone else in the line and then just get through the queue and then take off yeah I found that did not work for me oh it did for me luckily I only ended up doing it twice cuz I only thought of it too late the first person that I deputized was by profession a security guard hilarious so it just like was perfect I was like wow this works really well and then I tried to do it again it didn't work you know quite as well but it still sort of worked yeah didn't do anything for me and I even had sh following me around the whole time just like sheering me to where I was supposed to go but like people ask anyway and I always just feel terrible if I don't do you do the like if you can keep up thing yeah I do okay I do that too yeah people be like can you sign something I don't know can you walk fast yeah and what I find is that if I am actively signing something for someone and moving people get the hint that I am actually busy uh I had Dennis Dennis I think was telling me Oh I do the like on my phone thing and I walk really fast I'm like that does not work for for me at all no people will people will interrupt me anyway I know there was like a more staff area bathroom yeah so twice I found that really early on it was great meet and greet start in the bathroom yeah that was a little weird yeah don't do that yeah I would request to not in the future that' be great cuz you got to understand like we have a really hard time saying no because it's we know it's why you're there and it's kind of why we're there too not why we're in the bathroom but it's why we're in the building um but yeah overall there's a lot of stuff that I think that we could do better and I think that and it was a great show yes and that combination is actually great yes and the community was good SP to be amazing everything that we're saying right now even if we're like hey you know uh it's we all super positive we know it comes from a really good place oh yeah we we we get it which is why we feel bad for not you know doing it because we know that you guys are cool and ity in that action just they're just excited which is great like I don't know yeah it's just also awkward CU like standing at a urinal it's like hey do you want to sign my right like it's you want me to sign can you hold can you hold that for a second yeah while we're on the topic uh do you guys want some ice cream oh yeah that was kind of a thing that happened at LTX sure I guess so okay yeah so I don't even remember the context or why I brought it up at all can you do that too he's on it um the building on some previous W show I mentioned that fruit rollups if you put ice cream in them get the really crunchy I have no idea why I mentioned this on the show I don't either I don't remember me neither but I I did um and one of the whales that came up brought a 72 pack or something it's right there whatever that of fruit rollups so uh the the wano writer Jessica has prepared us Fruit Roll-Ups and ice cream I guess is there ice cream or are we just eating fruit rollups I think it's and ice cream okay cuz I've never tried don't neither have I and this might be the most boring part of the W show we've ever had or it might be interesting or it might be interesting yeah you claimed I would be interested by it did I you did you said it's like surprisingly crunchy oh it is but I don't know if that's like wow interesting I don't I don't know either and I know you like ice cream I don't know what wow even is do you know how many topics we've done this week I have no three we started it by talking about balder's gate with no actual reason for the topic well no the reason for the topic was you and Dan and chat were talking about it in the pre-show and I was like this is really interesting guys just do this during the show and then we I kicked off the conversation in the show and you guys were all just like well my my whole thing my whole thing is that on pre-shows I just talk about video games okay what what is this we have what appear to be fruit roll up ice cream perogi wait that's my old Bowl yes it is this is the bowl that you decorated on channel super fun you can tell because it has two L's on it um yes that's really random but okay I thought that was like Gone Gone um is it like no no that's a that's a Tekken character you're confused I don't it's just gone I don't know if it's supposed to sit in the fridge oh you got it freezer you mean I think but sure if you guys want some hold hold on a second oh wait should I be waiting I'll wait I'll wait for you oh there's a rainbow one I didn't look that closely yeah NB now I'm disappointed the rainbow one is so delicious well they're like kind of melting so I guess we should go okay I guess we'll just that is wildly less interesting than I expected it is a weird kind of crunchie mhm like it's not hard hard like ah my teeth like I kind of I heard in the videoos it sounded like someone bit into like a stack of chips and it is weird the way that it starts out I wouldn't describe it it's crunchy it's more crispy it starts out crispy and then gets really chewy there's no way that I'm eating the whole thing because I'm pretty sure this is about 4,000 calories but yeah can we like back I will have one more bite though it's I I'm I'm saying one more bite is calorie worthy the end doesn't like it I think is a little much for you Dan that's very strange I don't it yeah I think that's just how fruit rollups work to be honest here you go thank you all right okay well that happened it was a lot less interesting than it is in the video that I saw cuz what I see it it's like yeah it did sound like that did it oh yeah oh it's sounded like that in the mic mine kind of felt like that mine didn't oh maybe yours like warmed up or something then I don't know like I was keeping my fingers off the like coldest part of it like I was trying to not warm it up the yeah I tried to only pinch like a corner all right it just I just I don't know I don't know if mine really worked we did have strawberry ice cream in it night wheel that that was strawberry ice cream apparently that's like the way to do it I'm happy that I've tried it that was cool thank you for bringing the fruit rollups yeah um my kids will enjoy the rest of those fruit rollups cuz there's no way Luke wants them nope and we're moving on all right uh should we do some topics like Kenya suspends worldcoin I scanning should we do this thing oh right we should do that no first let's talk about the uh controversy that came up this week over a uh Labs tour video uh summary for the people who aren't aware uh someone who was here for a tour prior to LTX uploaded a video of their tour which included Tim from our Labs team uh who had been asked several times throughout the day about how our testing is different from our peers in the industry like Gamers Nexus and hardware and boxed he therefore proactively in this tour which was later in the day made a direct comparison to them when talking about how we run our tests every time we do a new video um and the reason for this is you know if there's a new software update or a new driver that's in play uh we always we always recollect our data for new projects um unfortunately the way that he presented it was not particularly tactful um and I can see how while he was simply stating a fact um it could have been interpreted the wrong way um by Hardware unboxed in particular responded to this situation saying that they were they seemed I won't say that said they were I read all the tweets but they they said they they seemed they I will say they seemed uh pretty upset um however they also acknowledged that they do not in fact uh run new data for every project so strictly speaking uh what Tim said was not true but we don't want to we don't want to be talking about it the way that we did MH I I don't think we should ever make a comparison that is you know a good thing we do compared to those other guys if anything we should be trying to to build each other up yeah we we respect um Gamers Nexus and Hardware in boxed a lot which were the two particular Outlets that were referenced by Tim um and but with that said you know obviously it's not like we aren't aware of what they're doing and uh obviously our goal internally is to try to take whatever bar has been set by our peers in the industry and try to do as good or better um as it as it kind of is for everybody yeah back to Tim's wording um I didn't hire him to be a PR representative which is good because clearly that's not where his experience is I hired him to work on mechanical engineering and other actually other engineering tasks as well which is good because rightly he's really proud of the work that uh he and the team have been doing both publicly facing and behind the scenes um he also is right that retesting every time is better and it's something that we're putting a lot of effort and a lot of resources into doing but that doesn't mean that you know other Publications don't have things that they're doing that are better than us so so that just shouldn't be the way that we frame it because obviously everyone is out there trying to do their best and trying to differentiate um so yeah Tim shouldn't have said what he did and he definitely should have provided the entire context like for example um I know Steve from Gamers Nexus at least used to maybe I think still does I haven't checked out anything recently but he would label uh data that was using older driver revisions when he was reusing it um and I know that uh Steve from Hardware unboxed clarified that they okay I'm trying to remember the exact wording it was in a tweet and I'm not logged into x.com here right now so you'll have to forgive me if I don't get this perfectly right I think he said they they mostly do except when they deem it's not necessary by testing it but then I was a little bit confused by that wording because if they did test it why wouldn't they just use the new data so I'm not I'm not 100% sure what he meant by that I'm sure he'll probably tweet or something clarifying it at some point so uh you can just check him out I think it's just Hardware unboxed if I'm not mistaken or you could just Google you know I'll just Google it now uh Hardware unboxed Twitter yeah it's just Hardware unbox so I'm sure he'll have something to say about this later on anyway the point is that uh he shouldn't have said what he said and he should have provided the High perspective um uh let me just see blah blah blah yeah anyway and I've spoken with him about it personally and as far as I can tell he was just excited about our work and proud of the team and it came out um the bottom line is that our vision from our chief Vision officer that's me is very clear here we want to meet or raise the bar when it comes to consumer product testing which I would hope we can all agree is a good thing we've definitely gone through some Growing Pains we have not shied away from talking about those we are we are happy to issue Corrections we will not sweep things under the rug um but it's been a challenge like we're attempting to do this at a scale that as far as I can tell has not been done before and the more Cooks you have in the kitchen the more room there is for miscommunications and we have we're really in the grand SCH of things we're a really young company and we have a lot to learn and I mean that both in the sense of that the team here like we don't have a lot of grizzled veterans from anything and the company itself is has only just passed its 10th candle day right like it's we we have a lot to learn and we don't shy away from that um yeah part of it actually is just like the kinds of projects that we have we haven't shown everything that we're working on like it's super ambitious uh and the reason for that is partly because we want to focus on what's in front of us and partly because some of it is so ambitious that we don't know for sure how long it'll take or if we will get there at all but again this is a good thing we we want to be ambitious and you guys want us to be ambitious more sources for information means more perspectives it also means that more consumers can be reached because not everybody is going to find LT appealing and not everybody is going to find hardware and boxed appealing or Gamers Nexus or Jay's two cents or Paul Hardware or any of the number of other fantastic Publications that are out there right and so the more people are you know doing a great job the better like I'm I don't know I'm I'm getting a little bit confused by some of the sentiment that seems to be spreading in the community especially I don't know over the last 6 months 6 to 12 months it's hard to it's hard to pinpoint it but it kind of feels like there's like a there's like an Us Versus Them attitude that's Brewing right now where it's like content creator versus content creator like I'm team LT like I don't want that I'm not asking you for that or like I'm team Jay's two cents or I'm team Gamers Nexus or Hardware unboxed or whatever like it's uh I'm just I'm kind of at a loss for how to deal with that to be perfectly honest with you because also don't think it's good well yeah I mean I've worked for years I have worked to Foster an environment where that is not the attitude like let's look no further than last week last week not even a full week ago we spent over $150,000 us to fly Tech creators from around the world to network with each other and to engage with the community like obviously for us they are part of the attraction of the show but at that cost that is not even close to a break Break Even proposition for us not even close we don't even ask them to do anything nothing is required meet and greets completely voluntary panels completely voluntary we don't even require them to be at the Expo we fly them in we give them a pass no strings attached obviously like if they don't participate at all we're probably not going to invite them again but that's that's it yeah and it's like that's just one of the ways that we do try and we brought out really small creators this time we tried to just go for total scattershot variety pack to have there and we got a lot of really great feedback from them about the networking they were able to do and from the community and that's just one of the ways that we try to bring others up and build collaboration and community in the tech space particularly among our fellow YouTubers like I've gone to our community's defense over and over like anything like whenever it's over anything that opposes our common goal I think is the best way of sort of stating it whether that's consumer rights like contributing to Lewis rossman's right to repair campaign or going to bat for Hardware inbox when they were pressured by Nvidia which by the way cost me literal years of relationship with Team Green and which by the way I would do again gladly in the same situation like the the number of people that call us Nvidia shows these days when for many months after that Nvidia wouldn't so much as exchange a word with me like literally none nobody um I I don't know my battle lines are clearly drawn we are on the side of the consumer we are working together to hold manufacturers accountable and friendly competition between media Outlets that is good that is what everybody wants competition is good we don't get to say competition is good for manufacturers and not us we have also quite literally always since the dawn of at least us working together said that you should seek out multiple sources of information exactly you you want people doing this type of stuff a multitude of them so that you can see all of it together and kind of mix it all up and see what the good conclusion is and anyone who thinks competition is good for someone else but not good for themselves doesn't really believe it I believe it I love it I I like probably love competition too much but it's a lot sometimes but I mean what how else do we all move forward Luke yeah yeah um so yeah we're we're not going to stop pushing hard if if hardware and box retests mostly why shouldn't we try to do it every time if they run at 22 degrees C why shouldn't we try to do at 22 and at 40 both in and outside of a case if they do 20 games at three resolutions why shouldn't we tried to do 30 games at five resolutions that's healthy and then when we do that why shouldn't they try to do more that's to your benefit we're not playing dirty we've literally never done anything to disadvantage another Creator I will not say a bad word I will not try to prevent anyone from moving up I personally stepped in to ensure that the fox for example got a steam deck at launch and he did there were two outlets on the list us and Gamers Nexus it could have been basically a semi-exclusive and I was like yo if you guys are doing anything else you have got to get this guy in the roster and they did I don't talk about this kind of thing because I don't feel like I should talk about it I should just do it and my peers in the industry know it they know I do these things so if they don't if they can't see it then that's kind of on them at this point um you know if my team doesn't know that this is our approach they need to get trained that's on me or that's on our new CEO uh but at the end of the day like we're just going to keep doing what we're doing which is we're going to go hard uh we're going to make some mistakes I'll be sorry for them just like I'm sorry for what happened here but at the end of the day we're all aligned on working hard to create more tools that help people get into this space that we're all so passionate about help them get the best for their money right like I all I ask is for everyone to try to remember as we move forward that we are all on the same team we are all on the side of the consumer and that's for both the folks outside our organization and inside it yeah there's another thing that's like in in the future of this company it's very possible that something like this might happen again um and uh an example that someone in flow plane chat brought up that I have brought up many times is the blizzard devs yeah ey trash on blizzard is a company all the time but something that I respect that they do at BlizzCon is they put devs up on stage it's not just PR people and that has repeatedly over time been uh a bad thing for blizzard because the devs will say something that that doesn't jive super well with the community and the community will smash them for it and I think it's important to remember that uh we want those types of interactions I want to hear from the devs at blizzard not just the pr people and I want people like like Tim on our team to be able to speak directly to the audience um and to be passionate and to be driven to care a lot about their work um and every once in a while it's not going to go perfectly and that's okay we'll try to fix it but yeah I feel like some of you are not taking quite the right things away from what I said by the way there's a fair number of people that are talking about the the whole trust me bro situation uh where there were some creators that it seems like you guys are look it's pretty clear that not everyone in the Creator space handled that super professionally um I I I don't obviously agree with some of the takes that were out there I I don't think that it's particularly um journalistic for example to ignore facts um to ignore personal relationships that you have every opportunity to take advantage of to get more information um I I don't actually agree with that I think that's objectively not correct um especially where there's a a large conflict of interest um however the point is not to dwell on that like good Lord that was like how long ago was that it feels like it was quite a while who cares a year we've made mistakes too we've made lots of mistakes everybody makes mistakes I never even I never even Drew attention to any of that intentionally because it doesn't matter I don't want to stir up drama who I was I was like surprisingly accurate it's almost exactly a year yeah a year ago it's fine it's over let's all just let's all just move forward it doesn't matter yeah all right now it's time for us to move forward to the next section yeah let's talk about Microsoft embracing repairable Xbox controllers oh cool yeah they sell replacement parts for Xbox controllers they have posted step-by-step repair guides and the parts include pcbas that must just be pcbs that's got to be what's a pcba PCB assembly oh that must be it uh buttons top cases and motor assemblies with attached Rumble Motors this is I mean on the surface at least Microsoft following through with a promise to explore helping customers repair their own Hardware from 2021 when they promised to explore it I basically went H we're never going to see anything from this because I mean it's just explore in our defense we had just come off opening up some surface laptop or something or tablet I forget exactly what it was but it was like very poor repairability like one out of 10 repairability score from my fix it we could barely figure out how to get the stupid thing open um and here it is okay they actually did I mean there's still a lot of things that they could do in their designs to make them more repairable by their nature but this is something oh that's great our next uh talking point says many Microsoft products are still compromised by past design decisions yeah exactly uh two months ago for example Hardware technician the coder criticized Microsoft for the design of the ssds in their Xbox series consoles which are encrypted in a way that makes them impossible to replace independently it's like we harp on Apple for this stuff so we're certainly not going to let it slide when Microsoft does it that sucks and it doesn't need to be done with the kind of R&D budget man the Apple SSD thing was even like actually deeper than I thought I linked a really great Forum post under the um starting at is is the biggest Li in Tech there's a really great post on the Forum that goes into how very different Apple's SSD architecture is pretty much all of it is completely unnecessary like literally completely unnecessary but over complicated it and makes it proprietary because why use a wheel that exists when you can reinvent the crap out of your own and make it the wheel wheel that is different from the other Wheels um this one's got spokes if the amount of resources that companies like apple and Microsoft dedicate to making their devices less repairable instead went to making them more repairable how much better of a place would the world be uh plug-in PlayStation says wasn't this just in a game link video yes the WAN show is late news from white guys with beards it's not even really news I mean it's right in the name new it's not new yeah the W Show's always been always been like that yeah I mean uh they're probably right to trash on them for certain things but they did a cool thing thank you it's good this is cool um all right Microsoft also got called out for their negligent cyber security practices I mean is this is this that interesting uh this is kind of up this is a readdress of a previous topic yeah oh I China proposes extreme limits for children's internet access though we've talked a fair bit about this recently but the cyberspace administration of China appropriately named CAC has proposed new reg new regulations harshly limiting internet use among miners uh 16 to 18 year-olds so barely even children would be allowed 2 hours of internet access per day 1 hour for 8 to 16 year olds and 40 minutes for kids under 8 um access for miners will also be banned between 10: p.m. and 6: a.m. man I wasn't going to bed at 10 pm when I was 17 are you kidding me in an official statement the CAC said that the regulations are to help miners reduce internet addiction and the influence of bad information oh man um so yeah the stocks of several Tech firms including 10cent and bite dance fell sharply following the announcement and that's um pretty uncool o oh this is a really great video definitive Mac upgrade guide is the name of this Channel and he posted an absolutely amazing review that's not it gosh darn it there it is amazing review of the LT backpack he doesn't say that everything is positive which he shouldn't because it's a review I want nothing more than actual honest impressions of it but he seems to be really happy with his and oh Dan can you uh nuke Us in the corner here for a sec just just very briefly and uh what I really love about this is he's actually been using the darn thing for 9 months so he includ a lot of really good insights into what it's like to use the bag anyway that was all I have to say about that that's all the content that I'll be showing was that react content no I don't think so because we didn't even have the audio playing oh shoot Dan was I talking over audio no oh good the video is thanks Dan good job um and I'm saying I think you'll be really interested in what he has to say which I haven't shown you so if anything I think we are having a positive impact on the market for this content should we do more uh oh okay yeah should we do that yeah we should probably do this um we got we got called out a little bit yeah it's time for some oh this is so stupid like what a piece of crap site this is now I'm not signed in so that's probably why yeah but like really is that like do is anyone signed in to x.c wait what it didn't redirect to x.com H what the crap what if I just do this will it work what x is redirecting to Twitter they're going back they go did what is this am I am I am wait did x.com ever I know the app name changed yeah but wait isn't the app name not changing on no x.com redirects your Twitter is never the other way around oh okay did you hear that Apple's apparently not letting them just they don't allow one uh one um one character app names so they just it's still called Twitter on iOS it's great that's pretty sick hilar oh Apple apparently made an exception okay all right I thought they did but I wasn't sure if that was Google play or well at any rate um well I kind of wanted to react to Ludwig's thing oh wait no this is on YouTube okay lwig responds let's get some audio are we going to be able to hear it it's a really Co set up FR can we hear little don't ever see me in Counter Strike nice computer set up dude I would I would torch lonus in I think any game I don't think there is a it there is a there's a game Linus gaps Me Maybe I'm underestimating his Boomer energy and he gig gaps me in like Civ six or some but oh okay he he reacted to us reacting to his setup and you know he made some somewhat Fair comments he made some somewhat Fair points we teased him for his giant key which he apparently got for doing charity work which is like awesome and is pretty cool but did he just call did he just describe me as having Boomer energy yeah usually say dragon how does it feel hearing Boomer yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure how I feel about that um I'm going to have to have a little nap um eat some eat some brand flakes eat some Fiber have a little think about it while I'm on the can working on things for a while yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe come to conclusions when you wake up in the middle of the night and go to the washroom yeah I um all right lwig challenge accepted sir I get to name the game you guys feel free to let him know I accept his challenge in fact in fact I will I would like to make it five games I will only take a small advantage since you said you could beat me at any game and I will choose only three of them how about that he gets to pick two of the games oh I I mean I want to make it interesting yeah but he's just going to pick things that he has like tons of experience in and just smash so am I oh that's an alarm to do something when I definitely will have to be for sure at home what time is it don't look nice sick okay so you know what are you g to pick the games now o That's risky cuz it gives him time to train up a little risky obviously going to take beat saber because it'll be funny watching him get absolutely annihilated uhuh um I don't know if he play I mean I don't know maybe he plays a bunch am I good at anything else see this is tough I mean I could just yeah I mean I could go full Boomer energy I'm not good at Civ but you play ano 1800 with me and I will wipe the floor with you can you play that competitively yeah you can yeah you can play totally can 100% that'll be a long game he could train for like two months and I would still destroy him that is actually probably true um um what about like uh Mario what is that Mario Kart battles with the balloons oh like Mario Kart 64 battle mode yeah I I would I would wreck him um but but actually there's a lot of minor VGA I would win at that but that's a stupid game we're not going to play that um we've got oh Supreme Commander okay but I'm not GNA pick two rtss yeah Supreme Commander he wouldn't even manage to get any units built like he practiced he'd get some units built it's you can build units very quickly you know what SubCom is a shorter round the Nano 1800 I'm I'm taking SubCom okay but it has to be uh FF SubCom yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah fortun Alliance forever okay so so my games beat saber Fort Alliance forever and um some people are suggesting left for dead too do we each put together a squad and do we make won a team game cuz I'm super down I've got I think I could put together a pretty crack Left for Dead 2 Squad I don't know that you'd be on it I know I'm sitting here thinking like I need to practice I know at least two one person for sure yeah is in I could I could put together a pretty good Left for Dead 2 Squad um Chase like immediately in chat I'm in I didn't even know he's watching I know you're in Chase don't worry the in that's that's why I brought out my phone that's that alarm was fake I was like texting Chase and like yo dog yo I need a ringer let's let's go yeah but you got to be careful here CU if you if you set up him to be able to form a team he might just get like Pro I'm gonna bring in Chase I'm GNA bring in Joe okay like whatever I don't know I think he's pretty good okay whatever we'll have me and Chase we'll figure out the other two okay I also don't think he's even going to take this seriously at all he's probably going to have like his mother on his team so I don't know man I don't know I think you're underestimating the competitive nature of successful YouTubers ah yeah that's fair H okay well I haven't finalized my third does it have to be people from your respective teams is that one way to do it oo so Mogul versus lonus Media Group yeah yeah yeah that would actually make it more because then Joe's out he he has an e no he isn't oh is that Joe is that what you're thinking of I actually didn't know that Joe we game with is that Joe you didn't know that no I thought Joe was just a friend of yours that is hilarious have I ever really yeah all this time whoa I thought Joe was just like your buddy Joe and you also had someone who works on your team named Joe so so you've met him a bunch of times in real life never put the two together put it together wow wow that is the worst thing that has ever happened to me that's very funny that's actually like actually very funny we have gamed together for like tens of hours like like not an insignificant amount of years and when you consider like multiple not two years like years years when you consider how much I game overall it's a very high he's one of my main gaming buddies at this point yeah and I had no idea he worked for [Laughter] me are CEO everybody oh man wow that's actually very funny don't show Joe this okay well he's going to see it he's probably going to see it but um okay so the Mogul team has an e the one friend I thought I had is a paid friend again mul Esports what do they play Mogul games group I don't think that's it uh all right cool valerant they play valer they play a shooter game he has an Esports team that plays a shooter game okay that might be risky what games did I pick already I picked uh Supreme Commander forged Alliance is a good one I is a good one okay okay moist Moguls oh right because it's a collaboration thing oh okay oh that's super cool I don't I don't follow all right you know what I think we do have to decide on a third I I think that if I just kind of go ah well I'll decide later that's going to be kind of a that's going to be kind of cheesy okay do I have okay can you think of anything else I'm good at I don't want to pick something from the same genre cuz I'm I'm pretty sure that he doesn't have the attention span to play any RTS games so like if I I feel like you could do I just something old Super Mario Bros OG speedrun first first five levels or it's got to be one V one it can't be I could probably win Super Mario Bros 3 battle mode though you know the one with the like pow thing in the middle like I'm I'm pretty good I'm overall a pretty good platformer player and uh he would he would have to he'd have to play a fair bit against people who are actually good at it to like be good at there's no AI yep uh and 64 golden eye say people yeah sure let's do some pilot Wings challenges let's play Wii Sports I will you up at Wii sports like actually good that could be kind of fun actually that could be kind of fun we could play some Wii Sports yeah um some people said halo C but you'd need like a large team to make that work and that might be kind of annoying yeah that it like it's an old game but it's like it's old in a lot of good ways but it's also old in some bad ways like the net code sucks yeah we ran into that at the land even though everyone skipping teleporting Flags teleporting people yeah yeah especially teleporting warthogs that are flying through the air which can be very disorienting yeah Bubble Hockey yeah I fly him out here here to play Super check bubble hockey for the last one that would be actually pretty great yeah but that's not really a video game did he say video game I don't know H did he say video game because again I would the text in here says any game interesting hold on I'm gonna listen to it again ready Dan uh I'm trying uh do you want it to go to stream no let's try that no you it has to go to stream okay fine send it to that's fine I would I would torch lonus in I think any game I don't think there is a a really oh well now things are getting really interesting super Che super checks Bubble Hockey does he have a chance uh if we do like a best of seven series he would have to beat me four times out of seven I don't think so because there's there's certain tactics that lineus employees which I don't feel like I have to mention that are quite strong h any game yeah it could be badminton for all we know that's a sport that's not a game no you know what no not badminton okay I still have to play Marquez he like challenged me ages ago um well not challenged me but like said yeah that would be fun like his his community yeah yeah the uh the chat's like badminton badminton badminton yeah that doesn't that doesn't really make sense um PC Building simulator what if he what if he count that's a little on the nose I think you think so what what if he like you could do it but I feel like it's a little on the nose maybe as like a bonus round fun thing um what if he counters the terms H I think my terms are fair he said he could Gap me in any game I mean the fact that I'm letting him pick anything I think is fairly magnanimous of me okay all right yes I pulled out that word just Just Whipped it out there all right well fair enough um is scrapyard Wars a game hm interesting it's a game show wormar mcgeddon oh that'd be kind of fun I suck at it though I do kind of want to pick stuff that I'm good at people are saying he's going to pick chess yeah I'm going to lose at that I can barely beat my 10-year-old like for real we played twice and he won once and I barely like snuck a Checkmate the other time just cuz it was a tactic he hadn't seen before um like you know when you Castle there's that sort of problem with castling where if they can get their Queen in there with uh with anything backing her you you haven't moved a pawn up so you don't have an escape R yeah it's Instant Checkmate he just hadn't seen it before and so I like was way down he had like three more meaningful pieces than I did but I was like see you later he immediately asked for a rematch and immediately annihilated me so um you should play him sometime cuz you like kind of know how to play and he does the same thing as you where he just plays challenges he doesn't really play full game so you guys are both sort of handicapped in the same way yeah neither of us know openings at all yeah perfect we just like fumble our way into the mid game and then figure out how to do things I'm going to go with we golf we golf wi Sports golf okay you're not doing like a multisport CH oh I'll do a multisport challenge I figured we're already playing five games at this point like we sure we can do I'll beat him at bowling I'll beat him at golf and then I'll beat him at tennis I don't care I there are few videos that I've wanted to watch as much as what this one is going to turn into if it turns into anything I'm assuming it will all right that's my uh that's my Gauntlet I'm actually pretty good at overcooked too but no no you you need a good team for overcook that's not like okay so what what were the three forg Alliance beat saber and we golf there you go lewig Gap me at any of those I dare you are you going to practice at all knowing that I I bet you he would um I have no idea to be honest I'm just saying that I think the rule should be that you don't get to practice the games you propose but I can practice the games he proposes and he can practice my games that seems cool that I I think that's kind of fair because it's it's basically supposed to be like I am like so good at this that you could possibly hope to beat me yeah and if you were in a position where you could Giga Gap someone yeah you shouldn't need to practice yeah I don't need to practice any of those you are going to like not even be close in fact I would say don't even bother trying to practice forged Alliance I was going to say forged Alliance beat saer I think there's a lot of learning that could be done there's a lot there's a lot actually beat saber is a challenging one though what Maps would we play yeah yeah because I did have someone beat me at LTX on a map I had never seen I was going to say there's a lot of like you need to to anticipate things barely beat me it was like 700,000 to 697 th000 or something like that it was very close yeah yeah and I had never seen the map and it was their choice of map so I I I did lose people saying crab Rave but I feel like you would just get perfect um I don't think I've ever 100ed crab RVE I don't actually I really enjoyed playing it earlier on when I was not very good yet and so I have never actually 100% expert plus and there's more than just 100 pering you also have to slice in the correct direction and you have to slice right down the middle of the block so it's by score I could get a perfect crab Rave that's probably not even double s because all that um all that block combos do is they increase your score multiplier you still have to actually score a lot of points when you strike the block yeah caramel dancing would be my vote some people are saying LT in intro yeah yeah we could do Supernova i' I'd play Supernova no problem I haven't played that in a long time but I am familiar with it so if he practiced up maybe there's a chance that he could not lose completely embarrassingly all right I think it's time to switch to W show after dark any other topics we need to blast through before we go I don't know particularly any that we called it at the beginning of the show yeah I don't know I don't think so yeah I think we're good moving on he's got this don't worry Good Old Dan he just called you old what I heard back and walk under the camera let me go turn off the the lantern we had DX control it oh man people have been uh people been been messaging me uh Nick says bring uh bring in Shroud as a ringer that's what I'm saying like I don't think it should be able to be anyone yeah that's stupid it's got to be teams if there's any uh Team games yeah just like hey Cory remember that one time we met when we did that video um guess what you're on my OverWatch Squad now come on that's just stupid yeah uh okay Dan we got some we got some stuff to talk about some merch messages I think I got a couple here for you yeah let's get into position here we are um assume the position I am assuming the position okay here we go lmg plus ldt equals na lld D equals yay Luke I hear you talking about all these self-made recipes that sound delicious would you ever consider making a cookbook full of them oh also the stick locks are good fidget toys Luke's cookbook would be literally a one pager it would be make chicken get laid I mean that sensual chicken it is part of the recipe okay you know so your cookbook is not actually how to make food made with love it's it's how to be like a toxic manosphere influencer with chicken there's food involved it's funny cuz I was trying to think if there's any like you know signature recipe things that I have that don't involve chicken but they literally all do are there any signature recipes you have that wait no there's one there's one there's one okay yeah turkey it's a it's a BLT oh my God I used to make BLTs when I was BLT is not a signature recipe no it was cool I put like probably eight times the amount of lettuce people normally do was it inside out okay and it was on a blueberry bun does that make sense no no that actually sounds horrible it's what was available I was in high school okay that's not a recipe yeah that definitely when you're patting out a recipe B well we're at two pages you got a why cheese with four kinds of cheese an entire bottle of red hot yeah mac and cheese with cheese and ketchup oh fancy fancy that's yeah no um yeah I really don't have enough to do that I have a short list that I continuously go back to and that's about it okay oh boy hello dll if direct storage takes off do you think this will change GPU architecture and if so how man the only thing I can really think of is them trying to get away with putting Less vram on their cards I don't think you can add less to them now yeah so there's that do you see the rumors and they're very much rumors um but do you see the rumors Nvidia is basically like not bothering to produce 40 series at this point and they're just trying to shift all of their production all of their fab time to um I'm not surprised cards yeah it's one of those rumors where it is not confirmed at all but it's like yep that makes sense this thing makes way more money right now maybe we should make more of it and there is there is completely an unhinged level of demand for it Meanwhile your consumers in this business unit absolutely hate your guts and your products are lame um yeah any who yep hi dll I just finished an internship working on detecting and analyzing defects in transistors at nist question any thoughts on Microsoft pushing arm adoption faster to catch up to Apple on battery life there's only so much Microsoft can do right it's like developers developers developers they're they're so reliant on the ecosystem and the ecosystem has such a long tail like it's such a big ship and it's hard to move move I don't I don't know how much Microsoft can actually do to incentivize developers beyond what they've already done which is creating a platform for them to develop for creating tools for them to develop and even in some cases incentivizing them through partnership through promotion and through Direct Cash funding to develop for the platform it's just going to be a slow slow slow move because Microsoft is a system integrator but they aren't even a main like they're not a main system integrator in the windows ecosystem so there's there's just only so much they can do since Luke is getting invites to go to all these cool places will we get a new series Luke goes places I mean I'd be down but like I don't think it it would be kind of uncom it would be kind of sucky for him to like take vacation time and then have to make a video I'd still be down yeah I it's like the volunteers in the community like I don't want to I don't want to ask you to do that although you will potentially be getting a series called lonus is on vacation and is doing stuff at his house that he wants to do instead of going to the office and doing work things but we're going to point a camera at it I already have like three projects planned so because it's just stuff I want to do when I have my two weeks off and like you might as well just point a freaking camera at it I don't care so we're going to get like maybe we'll release weekly or something like that so it's not just a bunch of days in a row of like lonus organizing his like tech room in his basement or whatever or like is mounting all of his stupid Sonos things to the wall but it means that I can get some help from work people to do stuff that I would have to do at my house anyway by myself and it means that the company gets content so everyone wins I have not cleared this with our new CEO but hopefully he's fine with it Dan you're probably going to get recruited to help I have a body bag of stuff for your theater room a body bag of stuff I don't even know about this project so that's four you asked me to do it last September oh that explains why wait you have stuff for that I thought we were waiting on more stuff for that we are there's a lot of stuff that has to stuff for that project oh so are we doing any of it then or some of it or like what I think we need to talk about that I've got another project that I have to finish off for you probably next week that but the rest of it is a bit more complicated okay cool yeah I don't know I um one thing that I do want to do and did actually do this is when I do these weird Adventure things I'm kind of Scouting For video ideas um I am fully planning that the I don't know which one I was thinking the Artemis mission where they like actually land doing a video on designing the mission control center for that and like why they choose different like versions of these screen crazy screen setups that they have and how they're uh like how data is going back and forth between uh the rocket and how they're dealing with data once they land and all this other kind of stuff could be very interesting um I actually do think there's a video there I think a lot of the places that I would go to there really wouldn't be a video there though um because we're like not going to be allowed to film stuff so yeah I don't know I'm always down for whatever I just don't think it makes a ton of sense all the time I just replied to a merge message where I addressed only part of it so um about my current monitor which is the 144 Herz 42in OLED that is it 42 crap now I forget I think it's 42 in anyway the the the the Rog one um the OLED the big one um overall I'm still really happy with it I wish the refresh rate was a little bit higher 120 is like really really really really really good um or 144 whatever it is I think is it 120 I can't remember it's either 120 or 144 is super super awesome but having the uh the Corsair Flex one at the Lan I was like yeah 240 would be a little bit smoother and is is pretty nice uh um overall really happy with it haven't had any permanent burn in yet um but hey let's see how it goes lonus has shared some notoriously bad takes about software especially on feature development complexity Luke how often do you push back on linus' feature requests because they are unreasonable I don't not to go after someone who sent a merch message I don't think the initial statement is all that true I think it happens sometimes but you know um I push back on feature requests pretty often but it's usually more of a like okay this will take x amount of time would you rather us do that over these other things and he's like h no and then that's usually how it goes I mean like I've I've had some I've had some not entirely accurate takes on like uh feature development complexity like like I've said I think someone could probably add T9 dialing to Iowa in a day and okay yeah you're right with all the various validation steps it would probably take more than a day but I also think that someone could hack it like it like cheaply crappily put it in in a day yeah I do actually I do actually believe that I also think that Google could probably figure out the uh you know taking whatever you've said phonetically and creating a phonetic library of all the people in your contacts list to make local searching uh with voice and local calling a lot easier I think they could do that very easily given the technology they have but that's not just me pulling something out of my butt that's that they obviously obviously like have all this technology they just choose not to implement it and it's really frustrating because there's no reason that it should be this bad other than that they just don't give a Fu um I don't know but yeah I do also understand that the software development pipeline is a lot simpler than a developer just being like I'm going make this tool a lot more complicated you mean what did I say you said a lot simpler oh yeah yes a lot more complicated it is very late and this has been a very long week oh yeah oh yeah as an as an engineering student I'm always interested in the design process can you share some insights into how your team approaches designing and prototyping new products does any step surprise you you should check out the newsletter uh yeah there's a bunch of cool newsletters from the Creator Ware host team where they've detailed like a lot of stuff I think there's a lot more information I have never checked out another newsletter so I don't know but I'm just going to go on a whim and assume that there's more information in ours than in a lot of different uh Brands newsletters it's it's good stuff it's interesting we haven't done too many of them lately uh they should be coming back stronger in the future but um another place where you'll find good resources for this is our float plane exclusive the extras from building Carl Jacobs $100,000 desk PC hey speaking of Tim there he is working freaking hard making that thing happened that was awesome yeah um a lot of the tours behind the design LTT stubby screwdriver um let's see if I can find some more of the more like engineering focused stuff I know oh RF chamber tour with Jake Danes from the labs team where's another product development one Kyle almost certainly I'm not allowed to watch these but Kyle almost certainly talked about product development in his working for lmg full uncut interviews video it's interesting because with with the watch progress feature we can see what things the LT crew has watched exclusives of and how much of it they watched unless they finished them in which case do they show up full bar true no it goes away yeah so I don't know I'm pretty sure at least I'm trying to find uh oh yeah this was cool uh our injection molder test run so yeah it's not all the time like that's only only four or five pieces of content over 5 months pretty consistently but it does happen and if it's something that you're going to see we saw a monitor and half why is that's tinin uh oh Kyle talked a lot about screwdriver development in his 30 minute meet the team so yeah there is there is stuff in there and uh honestly I think float plane has become a better value than ever before the bar stays people also have personal accounts though so like yeah you can see in the plain chat that a lot of our team has personal accounts yeah so I don't know hey dll I work at a startup company with 100 plus employees and no it Department nice I'm working to build it from scratch do you plan to make more content on your internal it struggles or best practices uh well you won't find any best practices from us right now that's something we're working on um is uh is our is our guy still on 90day uh yeah but it's like pretty close but yes he yes the plan is eventually that we want the infrastructure team to feed content to the video creation team instead of the video creation team needing to try to extract content out of the infrastructure that we have um Are We There Yet solid lead no but that is the plan we will get there hello lldd less you're only allowed to play one game from sness for the rest of life it can't be Final Fantasy 6 what's your choice oh come on I'm just going to take the easy Cop Out answer Super Mario World like that game is so I was going to say good it no it's great it's almost perfect it's incredible it's an amazing game um Nintendo for all their flaws boy do they ever have a long and proud history of just making the crap out of incredible games that are just so so much better than what others are doing at the time um yeah I mean I could have gone I don't know I haven't even played that many SNES games most of them were garbage Super Mario World yeah because I I feel like it's one of those games where the more time you put into it the more you could get better at it whereas like something like okay like pilot Wings is one I mentioned earlier in the show you could 100% it and then there's no much more better to get at it that's it whereas like Super Mario World you could always speedrun it faster yeah yeah let's go with that do different weird challenge runs Donkey Kong Country greater than Super Mario no no and Super Mario RPG yeah it's like a good answer for one playthrough it's a fantastic game once but the story is not very deep and there's not a lot of variation in the gameplay there's no way I would want to play that game forever hello lldd I work in a weird subfield of it designing access control and VMS solutions for big companies and entire cities what are some weird areas of it you guys want to learn more about I watched a like I don't know if it was a real doc real doc as in like how do I say this I don't think it's less real because it's on YouTube I don't know if it was a document documentary that was filmed for like TV and then brought to YouTube or if it was a YouTube creator that made the dock uh but I watched a doc a while ago that was fascinating to me that was on like Old School uh like uh what is it AT&T and Bell Technologies running undersea cables for for telephones that was wildly wildly interesting to me um I've heard that there's like one incoming cable to Greenland and that's it and there's one like station that deals with it and if that station goes down there's effectively one person that can fix it so there's a lot of single points of failure there um yeah I don't know I think like big big very very very lowlevel internet infrastructure would be something that'd be very interesting to learn more about from you rarely hear a lot about it really but like it's it's one of those things where like you don't really hear a lot about some of the that deep infrastructure stuff in a whole bunch of different Realms but if it was like ever a huge problem it would be incredibly catastrophic but it just never really is which is like wow I'm really happy whoever is doing that is doing a good job from an employer perspective as a female developer I am feeling discriminated and tempted to apply with a fake male name would this be a deal breaker on an interview for you and any other thoughts about this I read this and I thought this was very interesting yeah very interesting I mean I don't do interviews anymore so I'm waiting for you to answer it yeah cuz like my my gut reaction was like no like if you feel like you're getting discriminated against get that interview you know but then I sitting would you hire someone who started their relationship with you by lying to you well you did um yeah but I have terrible taste um yeah and it's it's I would be pretty concerned about like tast you thought that I would discriminate against you but they don't know that it's you necessarily yeah but they don't know that it's you reviewing every resume yeah and it's not even it goes through a layer in HR that is true so who knows it's like but that you then you then you think that of this company yeah but that's okay you know what's really funny about this is we went through through this whole thing with the trust me bro ordeal where I went we have a long track record of being pretty cool um also we're pretty not completely stupid so we know that if we were to ever mistreat our community there would be a hell storm so we are a pretty cool and B not stupid of course we're going to take care of it we don't actually have a choice because the crap storm was either going to be over us not agreeing to address it or it was going to be over us not addressing it it was going to happen at some point if we didn't always put the Community First and take care of our community but like up like obviously right and yet look at how that turned out yeah someone in flow plane chat said my wife has used her initials and got much higher responses in agriculture there you go I oh I could definitely see agriculture being a boys club yeah yeah I don't know I'm trying to think about what I would think about it I don't think I would really care but I might in the interview question the motive and see what the response is like hey why did you do this yeah and you'd expect a good answer yeah okay but if the answer is good then I think I wouldn't care yeah okay oh next yeah Luke have you tried the other two systems that use the same Star Wars mechanics once for playing Rebel leaders and ones for Force users they're fun no I haven't uh I've heard about them uh and they sound cool having played the game I find being like I think the idea of being a force user in that Universe would not feel as good I think I liked being like of the people and trying to scrap it out and make it work um but having not played them I don't know man now this is bringing me back to like okay what determined like Force aptitude there was definitely a character sheet okay and you would you had a certain number of like skill points that you could assign but not digital it sounds extreme well it wasn't digital in the game that I'm talking about either it's tabletop RPG it's all paper yeah but I played it was single player though yeah no I think oh yeah you weren't sure if you found it I don't know ah anyway hey lld wondering if you know any games or companies who do Legacy content right old Microsoft versions are broken in the stock launcher and we all know how lacking Nintendo's red uh retro selection is whoever the heck was the original owner of what faf became oh yeah yeah games picture perfect version yeah cuz you you you can't expect these developers Publishers whatever to maintain these games forever you actually just can't it's not fair um but we have always said that at that point if you're not going to maintain it anymore you should release it to the community and I don't know what their exact terms are but it verifies that you own the game and the game is still purchasable and then you can install it and use this community ran uh launcher launcher and it's just awesome and the game's fun so I don't I'm not necessarily asking to get it for free like it doesn't need to be that I'm totally okay with it verifying that I own the game and it's great so that's sweet yeah I I think you said gas power games yeah sweet well that was the publisher I don't actually know what the I don't know who the agreement had to be with yeah sure fair enough whatever that was though awesome convince the wife that the new office needs matching desk pads what are some of your favorite small or even empiric victories oh no sorry gas power games was the developer so I don't know who published uh Supreme Commander hold on one sec uh wait what THQ actually that does sound right THQ yeah yeah TQ so I I don't I don't know how that whole thing went down exactly I'm sure those folks would know okay sorry what was that down convince a wife that the new office needs matching desk pads heck yeah what are some of your favorite small or maybe even empiric victories small victories or victories that inflicted damage on the Victor um fantastic word by the way good use yeah I know I knew that one actually um just making sure I'm sure there's been tons through work what's a small and meaningless victory that we've ever that we've well he said he said or right yeah small or or damage inflicting Victory I feel like we kind of embrace the small victories though um man I'm just trying to think like I also feel like both of us have we ever gone to war with a sponsor oh okay uh H yeah it's not really a victory um yeah I don't know no see that's the thing is like there's so many different ways to Define Victory like if you're talking about the hardware un box thing like we were victorious in the sense that they got back re-engaged with Nvidia and everything was fine and Nvidia apologized and everything was fine yeah so vict we were not victorious in terms of making money yeah right so it inflicted damage but it's not like I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't classify it this way I want like a a small small or damage inflicting Victory what what things have like damaged us over the years I feel like both of us are fairly rapidly willing to self-sacrifice if we can win something so we probably have lots of examples sure we've done something but I'm sure neither of us cared about whatever yeah cuz there was some other goal victory was worth far more than any damage we just forgot about the damage and we're like woo yeah I got uh by my team captain on softball night I got a to short stop because he was just like yeah I love the way you just throw your body in front of the ball with absolutely no regard for how hard it's going to hit you the glove is optional yeah yeah yeah and you'll forget about the hand pain oh no it was like I took one in The Shins right before that yeah cuz I was just like well that's what they teach you I mean you don't go down you don't go down like this because you know even a cup is not perfect you go down like this right and so like I so I missed with my glove and it like wailed me right in the sh made the play which is all that matters yeah nothing else matters I feel like we're going to forget all of those forms of Victories um yeah I don't know uh I give up I'm sorry I actually I don't know why this was so hard to answer but yeah it shouldn't have been yeah just is maybe we're just tired hi lldd lonus during the sponsor shopping video you made a point to call out anchor but in a yvon's Tech upgrade video she had new anchored Chargers is this a lonus versus lmg thing or an oversight um we just aren't accepting any sponsorships we're not partnered with them that doesn't mean that they don't make perfectly competent products that might suit our needs and we might buy them I I I've never that's not inconsistent that's uh ever since we announced that we wouldn't be working with them anymore that's a line that we drew at that time that there we yeah we still continue to use it we're just not going to give them any free publicity or any paid publicity actually especially the paid publicity we're not going to partner with them anymore so yes I guess free publicity is still on the table hello everyone do you know why when two people call each other at the same time the phones Mark as unavailable instead of just connecting the calls to each other I don't know but I I cated this because I want to know um yeah why is that what I think I think it's a hold over from when they were physical yeah but if two people are calling each other at the same time wasn't it just connect the bloody call why do why do they both get a busy signal right isn't it all digital these days Oh you mean like why does that still happen yeah that's wild right what the heck yeah I don't know I'm sure good reason for about that that infrastructure but I'm sure it's something like what Dan said how was a bit of a hold over I think it's called a PBS is that what it's called yeah people are saying like race conditions there's like I think there's lots of things that could be causing it clearly we've solved that with digital stuff like two people can attempt to call each other on Discord and it'll just connect it um I mean yeah I think they're talking about like no I know understand yeah but I mean it's pretty much all voo anyway like it's it's basically just International Discord but with more money yeah I I I don't know not sure okay let's push that button oh I thought of a good answer for this when I'm curating it okay good is it going to push I don't know hi lld good day from Australia due to having better margins on your backpack and screwdriver would you be more open to free shipping deals once or twice a year thanks again we'll have to see um it's one of those things where you know obviously it all comes down to kind of figuring out how to balance your operational expenses and your cost of goods sold and your uh your revenues and your margins and making it all make sense business-wise and I don't want to care anymore I don't want that to be my problem I want that to be uh our CEO's problem and our COO of Creator warehouses problem nickl and they'll figure it out and if they decide to do something like that then they will and sometimes I might have a vision that we should do something crazy I actually came up with a crazy Vision quite recently that I have asked for us to try to find a way to do it some point um but you know I I I don't want to come in and make final decisions that is just not it's not the role that I have and it's not the role that I want anymore hello lldd what was the coolest thing you got to sign at LTX sorry for helping lose the Halo game yeah my team I love my team but they wereing terrible they were awful I love you all you're awful I had I had like the highest kill count on my team like every time do I couldn't get anything done okay not every time there were actually the only reason why we let one flag through was because you just would not give up so we were on like game like six or something and my guys were honestly just like kind of they got tired from beating them to a pulp yeah basically uh In fairness to my team they didn't actually score much either no it's very very hard to score in that game mode in an 8v8 on Blood Gulch with with the this there's no like oh you you you want to return your flag you need to stand on it for like a certain period of time instantly goes back so if you're able to kill someone one time you can immediately return the flags it's very hard to cap it's pretty tough of the various challenges and experiments you've done on the channel which one stands out as your personal favorite I don't know if it's it's certainly not the best one we ever did but if I had to pick a personal favorite just for the sheer mirth that I felt and I think everyone involved felt when we were creating it I would say it would have to be the um electric shock dog color challenge which wasn't really a challenge there was no objective there was no point um I haven't heard that referen in so long wow it was just me versus Luke um who can press a button that inflicts pain on the other knowing that the other also has the same button and we just million views shocked each other because I don't know you Lo and also I guess F me too because you're going to do it right back for those wondering do do you have it open on your laptop uh yeah he yeah for those wondering yeah it's like flagged as which is freaking stupid but whatever it's kind of stupid oh oh wow let's watch some ads for 10 minutes hey these guys deleted their uh forums recently yeah that's pretty stupid yeah that we were supposed to talk about that on W show last week but we got distracted because it was live and complicated there we go yeah so oh wait I don't remember doing this why is the mineral computer there because I was wearing because we were going to film this right after mineral oil and I was actually wearing the colar in the last partal oil we like teased it all right kind of it's just so stupid so we're both wearing like dog training collars that no one should ever put on a dog because this is not how you train a dog yeah but putting it on other people with consent I guess is fine yeah um is this fair use is this channel are we authorized to use content from this channel I don't know okay so wait for it it actually hurts that much in case you're wondering um but don't worry I'll get him where yeah where am I going to react I was pretty sure you got me pretty good I not reacting hold on is mine not is mine not working yet or something or am I just biting my time okay he's man we were not very good at making videos back then no mine's off now oh but maybe we were troubleshooting okay clearly yours is working why am I the sub here that's normal don't tell them that I think we need to end the show probably oh it looks like you got me right there woo y all right cuz you don't know exactly when it's coming you don't know when they're going to press it right so it's just like Anyway apparently we take it off that's the end of the video I don't know it was actually pretty fun yeah it was definitely fun it was might fun ah got him all right uh uh okay where are we hey dll wild that balers gate 2 released before I was even born and now it's this popular any now it's this popular any games you're fond of that released before you were born or take you back uh TIE fighter takes me back but that came out in like 1994 or something like that released before I was born yikes uh damn I I I thought of one but it was one year after I was born so it doesn't count chips challenge I did play chips challenge I don't know if it really like I don't actually know when it came out no desire to play it again though oh no great games before uh uh yeah it was 1989 for chips challenge tet it's a bit of a cop out yeah duck hunt duck hunt duck hunt came out before I was born or hold on when did Duck Hunt come out 1984 1984 yeah Duck Hunt came out before I was born that's a super cool game from before I was born there you go nice got it nailed it nice billionaires today bu super cars and Yachts will the new billionaires of the Next Generation have super gaming systems and what would they look like they already have super gaming systems they have giant Samsung the wall things to play games or watch NBA games on or whatever um they probably have like personal you know VR arcade style setups m VR yeah multi-user backpack VR giant halls and stuff and they don't buy supercars and Yachts that's like millionaire um they buy news outlets and they buy politicians that's what billionaires are actually buying they buy rocket ships if they buy a yacht they have to deconstruct a historical bridge to get it out or it doesn't really count to be honest is it really that cool if you're not destroying history I don't know lldd is there an ETA on the Precision screwdriver lonus mentioned it a while back no right now we're still in the can we make one good one phase and then after that it goes into can we make 10,000 good ones phase and that usually is much more challenging that's all I got what isn't challenging is ending the show we will see you again next week same bad time same bad Channel bye [Music] oh show is brought to you by Squarespace back blazs and 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Published: Sat Aug 05 2023