Precious JEM Documentary - Part 2

and that is anointed and appointed for such a time as this she was active in the medical profession and the Lord released her from healing and ministering to physical disorders that she might become a midwife in the kingdom and usher us through the throws of labor and place us in the birth position then we might be ready to push forth everything that God promised I want you to stand to your feet and receive this mighty warhorse this woman of God as she comes all the way from Brooklyn New York evangelist Jackie but kala come on make a welcome come on that make the world this great preacher I don't I don't define her as a woman preacher because sometimes men they they make that statement to minimize the excellence and the credibility and credit of the individual who is being present you know what do you think about past McCullough oh she's a great woman preacher I tell him no she is a great preacher period had what people call the best of the best I mean there's not anyone that we haven't had here that they say are the best preachers in my estimation my personal opinion this is the sovereignty of God bringing Jackie and Reverend McCullough in at this time she and my estimation is the greatest preacher on the earth today now that's saying a lot and I can say that she has been a blessing in my life and in the life of this ministry I'm so moved by her dead-on pinpoint accuracy in the word and the anointing that supports what she preaches and and how would you say over the years that you that you're as your ministry stayed the same in terms of evangelism has it evolved have you ever have you kept the same voice found a new voice or has it been the same consistent person since then over time have you seen sort of an evolution of your preaching well yes um you know when you're young out there and you're traveling you're evolving you're growing it was a whole new life for me you know getting on a plane getting off a plane you know sleeping in hotel rooms and initially for the first couple of years I traveled alone I didn't have someone traveling with me which is not wise for anyone so I would come home drop my suitcase in the middle of the floor and and my suitcase would not be changed you know and then when I got enough energy to do my laundry and get myself together so initially it was just a very different situation and I wanted to stay home at my church because my church was growing healing was growing things were happening and I felt like I could sit in the background and help everybody else preach and run evangelism or the women's department or whatever but the Lord just kept throwing me out and so initially it was women's seminars initially revivals going to do women's conventions and whatever whatever and traveling hither and different theater but you know later on things change the medical mission that's that's another situation being more being more intentional knowing that the ministry that the Lord gave me has a an instructional aspect a challenging aspect so it started shifting as times changed where it was no longer getting people to stand up under your feet and scream it was now wanting people to sit down and listen and wanting people to sit down and change wanting people to sit down and grow and then as the the church changed the church world changed where people were looking for you know gain materialistic gain and and prosperity where religion now might have become the opium of the masses so to speak but people are looking for a high and my messages were not necessarily high oriented so the appointments change so now my ministry was more relational going to places where I have a relationship where I have an investment for instance Allen Allen AME Church has such a wonderful memory and still we still have a relationship when they first started in the small church the Lord led me to that church and I introduced praise and worship in my preaching and it changed there worship I'm not saying it because I'm bragging they will tell you sometimes they remind me sometimes I forget but I've been a part of the involvement from a small church to the school and now to the Cathedral and I watched that church grow and and and the ministry growing and the flakes you know impact that whole neighborhood so I feel connected to that so that's where the ministry moved from just moving from running here running there into now relationship connected ministries going in the same direction supporting each other for the furtherance of the gospel so if that explains it shift that's exactly the way I see it of course as you get older but I've never been a running up and down the aisle preacher you know with my hand behind my ears has never been my my you know kind of thing but I didn't move around initially when I was younger but I've always been wanting to stay behind the pulpit but as you get older you're much more wise in how you you minister now I'm still long-winded I'm still trying to figure out why I can't be like pastor Robert G doesn't in 15 minutes I'd kill you you know I still got to you know base you and and and season you you know and put you in the refrigerator and take you out and then put in a slow you know baking I wish I could do it differently I suppose I'm doing better now it's not two hours like it used to be it's cut down some even if no one will say amen to that but it happens but it has changed I seen our relationship am i a part of where God is taking this church is this church or this assignment a part of where God is taking me so that that's where I am in ministry so if there were one message that you would want people to hear that embodied who dr. Jacqueline McCullough as a preacher what would it be well right now my emphasis is on the remnant there is a popular religion and there's biblical religion just like in Israel popular religion and the religion that the true worshipers the true priests and prophets adhere to that's where I am because there is such a polarization in the church world where we're actually seeing the church split down the middle either you're going to be liberal or you want to be biblical so right now my emphasis is on biblical theology what does that mean it literally means going back to the Bible looking at the Bible in its soil looking at the historical cultural you know aspect of the Bible I'm Harmonie leaves looking at the language the syntax looking at the original language studying the characters looking at the history looking at all of that to try to come to the closest meaning of the text possible possibly so that we can know what the author is saying to us today that's where I see myself you know preparing others mentoring disciple in motivating preparing people for their eternity do I sound oh absolutely absolutely not so so let's talk about again the fascinating thing with you and I hope everybody sees the student sort of the documentary and the people who are sort of chiming in and talking about these different topics are the wonderful extensions and you're not a sort of you know one sided person in it's fascinating to sit here and see all of the different sides so I'd like to just talk about some of those different sides of course you know I'm particularly interested in your book writing and a couple of books that you've written and the several books that you have still yet ready to be birth can you talk about at what point in your life did you say in addition to doing medical missions and being a pastor and an evangelist what what what emerged in sort of your your world to say I should start writing uh I was on the plane early in my travels and the Lord started speaking to me on the plane and I wrote this book my first book daily moments with God in quietness and confidence it's just a book of meditation and when I sat on the plane and I felt whatever I felt I found the scripture and I wrote it my numa life so that's my first book the second book prayers you know unconventional prayers I feel like sometimes our prayers are just you know one-sided it doesn't have a broad scope for instance prayers um between a daughter and a mother on a mother working out their differences and articulating it before the Lord prayers for a prayer for someone who is dying of AIDS what you'd say to the Lord how do you cross over a prayer for a mother who is expecting a baby and and the father of that baby what does a father say to the Lord about his pregnant wife I mean if my mind just went that way and I just started writing prayers of course laced with scriptures and whatever but the book that really I feel did not get enough president the prayer book went straight to the top but somehow this book did not get there and it's I think it's because people are not ready to deal with the fact that their souls are not satisfied it's called satisfaction of the soul and it hits the core of why people can be in church and not be satisfied with God why people can be in a godly marriage and have an extramarital affair why people can be successful in ministry and end up you know undrugged there's something missing and it's because we want everything else we have bought into the world's philosophy or the world's idea that something else can fill the inner man but God can't do that and even if he can't do it I don't like the way he does I really want it to be done the way everyone else seems to be getting it so that book satisfaction of the soul was a tremendous book it talks about father issues how we have been abandoned by our earthly fathers but we are picked up by our Heavenly Father so that's a wonderful book the recent book now that's going to be published it talks about you know we're looking at one side of our life and in the Christian Church right now everyone is looking at the economic issues looking at the problem the problems of living in the world that's falling apart but they never flip the other side to see God is writing a script that has nothing to do with what I see what is the other side of this all right so so so let's let's talk now about your call into the pasture and I know you talked about a bit about how you sort of resisted the call let's talk about your the call to pasture and how and when you sort of started Beth Rafah well you know because I traveled extensively and because people were so used to seeing me in that you know image with that image of being an evangelist many many people quite a few of them men told me that I was not a pastor I was more of an evangelist and I believed it very very conveniently I embraced it because in my mind pastoring was a lot of work intense work I didn't take it very lightly you know you go to a church you preach and you wouldn't care the people like you're not you're leaving if you drop a bomb message you just probably won't go back so it doesn't matter if you challenge them real you know strongly and they're up in arms you know you shake the dust off your feet and keep going so that was kind of a very comforting thought for me but and people pastor Robin other people people around me the people who work the daughters of wristlet kept saying you know why don't that pastor that the Carolyn show well would say to me you know McCullar why don't you just start your own church whatever and I would get so annoyed and so angry because I didn't want it to be a natural recourse or you're out there traveling now and you're getting older so go open a church I couldn't embrace it like that because it was so serious to me but I felt the Lord tugging you know why you get so angry when somebody mentions it if it's not God why do car so I had to really search my own spirit and um I said okay I will do it but I'll do it on my terms I'll go to the book store this cute little quaint little bookstore and meet with my family I remember the first service we had it was my family or an angel pastor clear Everett Margaret just quite a few of the founding members of the church and my dog and we said we had this cute little service and then we would close down and quiet as if it's a secret order and walk across to the restaurant to to pasta and sit down and have fellowship that means okay God I'm just negotiating now quiet yourself I'm doing it don't say anything like this please like this oh I was so Restless so you know I'm uncomfortable and irritable I was making people's lives miserable because it was not what God was saying and coming home one day on the plane Robert wanted said to me Theresa pass McCullough you know first of all why are you hiding you know and why don't you let people know and pastor Pat McKinstry from Toledo Ohio called me just I was getting ready to go and I wanted to make a trip and she says if you don't do what God has called you to do you will not be happy she says you are struggling with the next level of assignment and I cried so when we went to Jamaica we went to this Bible College with all these young students up in the hills of Jamaica and I didn't care if it was in Halifax hell I was going to make the announcement that's how much I was pressed by the Holy Ghost and I announced and many of the people who were at the keynote and daughters of rispa and my friends they heard it and they rejoiced angel was there the young lady who gave the history of the church and we came back and I still wanted to just do it in the bookstore and whoever wanted said pastor everybody starts in the hotel the Lord says go upstate even my dad said to before he died go upstate the Lord is moving you out of Brooklyn and a dear friend of mine Audrey Singletary and her husband Charles they were affiliated with the Holiday Inn they had connections and they made the connection and we started our services at the Holiday Inn off Route five or exit five rather on the Palisades and we would pack up bring out instruments have service and then we'll go home and people started coming because I bathed and people's lives who were shattered lives that were shattered started being healed because I obeyed and I could sleep at night because I obeyed thus Beth Rafa was formed one of the members of the church he's not with us right now pastor George we were struggling once what should we name this church and I know I'm going backwards and we wanted to name it house on a rock as a no because I only have hard-headed stubborn people I don't want a house in the Rockland and then he said well what about Beth Rafa you know your ministry is about healing and it struck a note in my heart said okay let's call it Beth Rafa at the house of healing and here we are 10 years later that Rafa was birthed in Beth Beth Rafa was birthed in pastor McCullough in August of 2001 and I know that personally because of the spiritual bond that was I think generating or growing between the two of us you know it seemed like God favored me and allowed me to pray in at a particular time in August I actually interceded for her he showed me that she was having some difficulties and accepting the call to the pastor it so I remember it clearly how he you know he brought me right in the prayer and I curled up like a baby just you know interceding for this woman of God and then October of 2001 daughters of rispa under the direction of pastor McCullough took the word alive medical mission crusade to Portmore Jamaica and it was there on October the 14th in 2001 on a Sunday evening in a town a little town called Monique we went to minister to some students in a schoolhouse on a a honor on a hill you know it was a hill it was a hill I'm not you know it was a hill and we went up this year I think it was called devil I don't know but anyhow we went to Monique and it was a schoolhouse with teenage students that she was ministering to and when Pastor McCullough took the podium she began to give an announcement and if you didn't know any better you would have thought that she was going to announce that she was engaged or that she was getting married and and her announcement came forth that she was she had this call to the pastor it and she gave the whole story about a friend in Ohio and how she you know she she she encouraged her and told her that she had to just go ahead and do this thing and I paraphrase it and make it short but the point is is that she made that announcement in this schoolhouse in in Monique Jamaica and when she made the announcement I will never forget it I jumped to my feet I leapt on my feet I was sitting there Reverend Jackie and Reverend Robert Edie were sitting behind me I think people might have thought I was a little crazy because I knew that this was coming I knew that God was birth this thing you know my participation in biblia and and and the spiritual connection that was being made there and so I just remember leaping to my feet and I hollered and I hollered and and and I roared and I roared and that night she preached the message you're chosen and then I remember getting back on the bus to go back to the hotel and and sitting on the bus with Pastor Robin and Reverend Jackie and we were just talking about it and it was it was just a blessing because I needed a church home I needed a pastor and the Lord was so wonderful that he blessed me and favoured me with Pastor McCulloch Beth Rafah actually came about you know through biblio on bibley on had the makings it was just evolving into a church even though we didn't mean for it to evolve into a church we didn't even as we saw it happening we I guess even tried to pull the reins back on it because we didn't want other churches to think we were competing against them and we just wanted to be in like you know a ministry that would support the churches and support the people and you know passable colors gifting in terms of teaching and and that's what we did but eventually things started to evolve in that way those people that came that would volunteer at the bookstore they became even some of the ministers of bether Alpha those were the charter members the ones who actually were volunteers who helped out in the teaching doing keeping the records doing the the finances for the classes that she taught because so many different things came out of the the actual happenings and workings in the store itself so the church initially started out with that faithful few that helped out and thus better alpha began with the very things we learned about you know I never really knew too much about all the high church stuff but I did learn creeds and and our prayers that you read out of the common book of prayers this is the whole ecumenical stuff it was just really exciting there's wonderful things that we got out of it that I learned at bibley on through different things have happening at bibley on and then implemented it at Beth Rafa I classes we had our announcements in our classes I you know I did her sermons I wrote out her sermons well she wrote out our sermons and I typed them and I I did the Creed's and learned how to do the grease she taught me how to say the Creed's she taught me how to do college she taught me what they were we did classes that actually became in the bookstore the classes actually became the first classes for our biblical studies class at Beth Rafah the biblical or the I want to say the the spiritual growth classes that we have on Sunday mornings at 10 o'clock those are actually the classes that she taught at bibley on each class that we had there is now a class in the biblical studies or I should say the spiritual growth classes on Sunday morning so it actually just evolved into a church I see so much in the way of what happens with the ministry in terms of how its evolving you see lives changing you see people growing you see people coming from all walks of life one of the things I love is that it's not just church to people these are people that are coming in from the highways and the edges that are being compelled to to come and see Jesus and that was one is one message that pastor preached at Beth Rafah the one of them on and one of the many monumental messages they're coming to see Jesus and it just seems that they have a hunger it's like God is finding them from wherever they are and and scooping them up and sending them our way and to see how people have changed over the years of Ministers growing changing learning how to preach the word that teaching and preaching learning how to be a theologians and scholars and and to how to hermeneutical II do different things or to to be sound if you will home and airmen hermeneutical II it's just really a wonderful thing you do see change and the the it doesn't just you know it started out with just a one track situation this is the way we're going and now it has so many different arms and facets to it it's just almost you know amazing to see so many ministries coming out of just better off alone I've seen past McCullar transform as a pastor over time it has really been a tremendous what I have seen initially you know she liked being able to hit it you know and jump and leave you know just say what she has to say drop the bomb and go home and she didn't really have to deal with members didn't have to deal with the work and the labor of having to to be responsible for the Sheep I used to know that the Lord was saying to me that she would pastor but she would be so against it that I would say to myself well maybe I missed God so for years I dismissed the fact that she would pastor once she began to to answer the call I saw the burden come I saw the the the nurturing come come across and it's so funny because even I've had friends who used to come to the church come to Beth Rafa and they say boy she's different at home she she she's more of a nurturer even in her teaching and in her preaching and then how she's able to switch it when she goes out to minister even the becoming more of like a pastor's pastor in her teaching and in her preaching not going back to evangelism but knowing how to bring the word and now become a help to so many pastors now who need guidance and who need assistance in any way possible with God's people I also see her beginning to really she's a great nurturer she loves her members she always says that that you know if you want to be her biggest enemy mess with her converts and her children and her young people that they're defenseless so you know she'll really get she'll really come after you with the young lambs and the young sheep that she has she that really has shown me that she really has a burden for sheep we talk regularly and we're always talking about what's the best way to handle God's people and I've learned tremendously from how she's evolved over the years Church how in your eyes has a involved on to what it is there the first thing is I have grown there's a difference in being electorate preacher and a pastor I have grown I have I have learned how to listen I've learned how to be reviewed I have learned how to extend mercy I have learned how to ignore insults and I've learned how to take the long haul with people you know I've never believed in throwing people away but walking in a pastoral position has taught me I've learned how to recognize God's ministers I've learned how to see the gift and make a commitment to that gift even if the person can't see in themselves I've learned I've learned how to see people where they are and not where I want them to be and the most valuable lesson is I've learned to let them go one of the unique things about Beth Rafa is the worship and your spontaneous songwriting take us back back a bit to the first album that you created as well as this last one and sort of talked and talked to us a little bit about your songwriting and and then how that relates into sort of the the fabric in Beth Rafah as a worship I have to go further than that when I was in st. John as a young woman probably maybe about 18 or 19 yeah about that age we were in a revival service and the Lord moved on me and told me go and sit at the piano and play and I've always been an obedient person to the Lord even even when it's ridiculous or anyone who who anyone was walked with me knows I'm going to say yes you know I may give him a little lip but I'm going to say yes even if even at my chagrin even running the risk of losing everything that's been early on in my life and I said at the piano and I started banging and the young people started giggling and the evangelists rebuked me and told me that I had an off spirit and of course that devastated me because I did already feel off and for her to confirm it now I really need to be exorcised something is wrong with me and when the Lord later you see at that point somebody should have gotten me and said to me what does this mean what do you think this mean or let me pray with you and see what this means it may not mean that you have to play but it may mean that there's something about music that God is instilling in you or has instilled in you but when you know people don't do stuff like that this is why better off it's so important because even with the children we once we spot something in a personal inner child we take them there so that they would not be abused or misused years later years later years later and that's in my 30s the Lord said to me on the plane in the bathroom the side of my bed at the kitchen table write these songs write these songs the first song was in a hotel room in Pennsylvania where I was in this college town and I woke up one night and the Lord said to me I'm not finished until my glory can be seen and I wrote the whole song then the pastor of the church was a musician and he put music to the song and then the song was rearranged by another friend that was my first song and then it every time I sat down at certain times it would just come on me it's not something that's at all I'm going to write a song I would I would sense a great you know desire to write something and I would hear the music and I couldn't sing it thus the album this is for you Lord was formulated and pastor George Amon was working for the ministry at that time and I said to him I said to his sister Reverend Wanda you sit here and write in music to this song these songs because I said to the Lord these are poems the Lord said I said songs she says no I can't do it what my brother can so he came and he said and wrote the songs and a gospel century at that time michiel attire was you know the owner or president of gospel centric and she received the songs and Kevin Vaughn rearranged the songs and we went to Jamaica and we made the first album in this wonderful amphitheater where there were almost about 10,000 people we talked a bit about a new sound and and how that happened well I don't remember exactly what month or day but we have what we call our holy blaze service at 6:30 every Sunday evening the young people asked for this time because they felt that they didn't have anything to do on sudden in you know during the summer particularly and they wanted to have a service it's not young people anymore it's everybody's service and we always have a speaker for our services but this particular evening I got up and the worship was so strong and powerful and just consuming again explain to you we were just there in almost in the in the face of God loving him you know praising him glorifying him magnifying it with the instruments with our voices with our hearts it that atmosphere was charged with with true worship as Jesus said the father seeketh such to worship Him it's in that atmosphere that I started to move into prophetic and we know that that's biblical when Elijah got ready to prophesizes he said call for the ministry something about music and prophecy for those of us were charismatic but those of us were not character it sounds ridiculous but we started praising the Lord and as I was praising the Lord the prophetic came and it started it became a warfare parades the war is on we long win oh yes we wrestle not against flesh and blood so it was just a continuous call and response kind of thing with the music with the prophesy with the singing in tongues it was just a cataclysmic kind of expression we had no clue that it was going to be so powerful and penetrating atmospheres hearts lives changing people we had no clue we were just enjoying the Lord and moving out you know into the realm of praise and worship and prophecy and that's how it was birth so let's talk about precious gem ministries and what that means now and sort of what's the purpose and how has it evolved from what daughters of rispa was well I felt that daughters of rispa had come to its end you know the story of rispa is that she is fighting off the buzzards and the animals from off the her dead grande souls sol's on grandsons and seeking a burial instead of leaving them - it's a disgrace to leave the body you know and um not not buried or not in a grave and she was seeking honor for the dead and they didn't heard and saw that she'd been sitting on this rock waving off the buzzards of the caucuses of her dead children or grandchildren and the Bible said David heard her and gave them an honorable burial so rispa was in a season where administered to a lot of women who were dealing with vexing issues children in prison not that that doesn't exist now but that was the error of the ministry but then it was time to bury the dead and we thought it's time to come up with a new name for where I for where I am now and precious gem and and and the word precious is so it's so powerful I was reading in the Bible about jewels you know Christians or our God's people are sometimes called jewels but they're not gems in the sense of Oh blue and Sapphire but there there is treasures and I consider myself one of his treasures we have this treasure in earthen vessel and I think I'm one of his possession treasures here means possession I'm his and he is mine so with that in mind we took on the name precious and then my initials JDM and because that's where we are I am totally sold out to him not that I wasn't before but it's gotten worse you know so and there's no turning back so precious gem is very appropriate the whole notion of it for where I am now what else do I want you know where else do I want it from let's talk a bit about your the obtaining your doctorate and how that sort of evolved or sort of contributed to the founding of BRB I that's very important now when the Lord if you backtrack when you ask me or and I talked about earlier about giving up my my quest my desire to become a medical doctor and the Lord said take off your lab coat he also said later on that you are going to become a doctor I thought in my limited mind that somewhere along the way I was going to go back to medical school but it was very clear to me that's not what he meant he meant a doctor of ministry he's so interesting to me because he speaks so differently than I do don't you find that interesting that's me and also very frustrating because I'm always trying to put his vocabulary my vocabulary into his mouth and he doesn't pay me any mind so he really wanted me to know I didn't take anything from you if nothing else come out of this discussion is he we always think he's robbing us of something because we're so desperate to win that we can't trust that he has all things and he's not withholding anything from us it's just that he wants to give it to us the only way that's good for us that will bring him glory and will bring us satisfaction so I you know I we read him about going back ok so I can't be a medical doctor and at least connect can at least go to seminary so my father Bishop says no you know don't go to a liberal seminary go to NYU take philosophy but this all go mess up your mind with this liberal theology so I went to NYU and got my master's in philosophy but I still wanted more biblical studies and so finally I tried to go to several several seminaries I wanted to go to fuller I want to go to New Brunswick somebody told me I could go to Oxford but they all I went to the Jewish Theological Seminary for three years doing non matriculated subjects or courses and now they said to me you have exhausted all of your your courses now you'll either have to come in the program full-time as we have nothing else to offer you but you have to stop working other seminaries have the same thing and the Lord said I didn't call you to stop answering to go to seminary I'm going to create a program for you and I was on my way to Jamaica to do the medical mission and Amy garden and said to me why don't you leave your application here with me and I will forward it to drew theological seminary I said I really don't care Amy I'm not going to worry about this anymore do whatever that's the kind of attitude and she processed the application sent in my transcripts when I came back I found the letter of acceptance on my bed by that time it didn't matter you see it's always when it doesn't matter that it matters to him isn't that wonderful because when it matters so much to us then he doesn't matter anymore am i talking in riddles alright so when it didn't matter it not mattered to him and when I got it I mean I went through the program but it was not really about being a doctor anymore it was just about you know experiencing whatever this is not knowing that in order to be the president of the Bible College I must have a doctorate so it was not really about it matter to me it was about mattering to him for the others you felt something is that cup something absolutely yes absolutely and it's always about him and the others and being an instrument for him to the others I really wanted to have a Bible College it really started in biblia when I did those Monday seminars it was the beginning you see the way the Lord deals with me he eases me into stuff and then when I'm in it then he tells me this is what you're into because if he told me before then I would run so he eases me into it and he says you know what this is this is becoming some kind of educational or instructional situation why don't you just make it a school and that's how it evolved and then when Reverend Trish or Patricia MacLeod came on board who had all the credentials and the experience I did you see when you flow with him it's effortless all I have to do was go to Drew and get the piece of paper because that's really or like that's all I had to do then I had to come back and set it up and then have the Dean come and put it in place you see when you follow God his yoke is easy now if I have to do it myself I want to be the Dean the president and work it all out no it is just evolving beyond my expertise I'm just to play my part and you'll do the rest you know when it's about us we got to figure out everything I don't even just teach a class in and and and get the reports and have my meetings and make sure that we maintain the philosophy but the legwork is not being done because it is about him instructing his people biblically for the end actually the vision for the Bible College Beth Rafah Bible Institute started many years ago with Pastor she's funny when something is birthed in her then it evolves and what I mean by that is that it comes as the Lord you know makes the timing correct and he makes the the resources and you know we just literally have walked into this many years ago she used to have a bookstore down in Brooklyn called the biblionef Amalie bookstore and where knowledge and faith become one where there tat was the tag and she would fly in from all over the world auntie's classes sanctification spirituality and Christianity I think there was a couple more the Holy Spirit just great tremendous and act just loaded classes we presently use those even at Beth Roth of the church today in our spiritual Studies program but when she was doing that back in the late 80s little did did any of us know and probably her in particular that it would evolve into a full-fledged seminary and so it just kind of grew from that the classes like I said people would come from miles around and she would just be committed and fly in on Monday evenings and teach these classes people still talk about them today and when she started the church back in 2001 then those same tapes and those books came with her and we began to teach them in the spiritual Studies program at our church and we have like a it's just like a cycle just like any other school right there on Sunday mornings so we continue to use them out of those classes we wrote other classes and it just began to mushroom because this is a major teaching ministry so it really took the foundation of what she had started at the bit at the biblionef Amelie bookstore brought it to Beth Rafah and it continued we have about 10 to 12 people teaching every Sunday morning those very classes and some of them we've taken into the Bible College and some of them have not been but we use them throughout our congregation with everybody that joins and even comes through the doors at Beth Rafa and then back in 2005 at the end of the year around November or December we received an invitation to become an extension campus of another school and because we were so just on fire about this teaching and the writing of courses it was just a timing of God and we began to to transition those classes and classes like those into what we now call our own Beth rifle Bible Institute and we offer classes there right now under our seminary the vision of the Bible Institute is it really that the whole goal of the of the school is to reach people and teach them the gospel she has a passion for teaching the unadulterated truth of the gospel and that same passion has has transferred itself into myself and everyone else that's affiliated with the college that actually works in the school and teaches as well the vision is to make certain that we promote the gospel throughout the world by the technology mechanisms that we're able to use now by by the teaching and creating of DVDs by by the resident classes that we offer we're passionate about that and the other the other part of that is that we don't ever want people who really have a hunger and a thirst for righteousness and want to learn the Word of God to be excluded from the opportunity so because of that and because it's our own seminary because I'll talk about them probably a little later but the Bible Institute is able to offer these classes at very reasonable cost we offer we are able to do it we sponsor students we have some students that we simply borrow services with and if because if they want to learn we want to teach them and that's truly the vision of it and it and it has to be done of course in a spirit of excellence you know that's something that we we absolutely promote well we're walking into the future even as we speak this year earlier this year January 2011 we were able to establish our very own Beth Rockford Christian college and Theological Seminary incorporated and we're happy about that so what started as an extension campus of another school has now extended away from that particular school and we've established our own so literally Beth Ralph a Bible Institute is now a satellite campus the very first satellite campus of the newly established Beth Rock for Christian college and Theological Seminary where we're licensed to confer degrees at the doctoral level master's level and at the bachelors level so that's where we are right now we're working we're still writing a lot of new courses and and getting them up as I said about the other ones and it's just it's just magnificent because now what we're what is happening is we find ourselves establishing campuses not just writing courses now anymore it's God has grown into establishing campuses we literally just the other night had several people probably about 15 people on a conference call with people from all over the country working planning to establish a campus that we're looking at down in Tampa Florida so it has really mushroom mushroomed into now this full fledged seminary and we're excited about it because in 2012 we anticipate our very first graduation um talk a bit about again one of these extensions of your ministry the emergence of Rafah alliance and the pastors who are now looking to you for to Lynch well le Cheyne again the Lord you know he just he just moves me wherever I'm just on the chess board and he's maneuvering me am I having a problem with that no because yeah he takes me where he will where he where he wants to away he will is pastor Sheila Benton at that time she was Sheila night a friend of mine I met her in Cincinnati maybe about 11 12 years ago and we hooked up me we knew each other you know casually but I met her and we just connected she went through some very difficult things personally and then she said the Lord called me to preach and minister she had been preaching and so I took at that time pass away in power down and some members and we ordained her and she started her church and first we ordained her to preach and then we went down and she found a place and we installed her now I had no church I'm still evangelizing I'm still teaching in the bookstore but I'm now ordaining and installing they see the backwards insulin zoom same but if he didn't do that with me I would never even want to be involved but she's a friend that's how she hooked me he hooked me up he she's a friend she loves the Lord she wants to do the will of the Lord and I'm walking her through and we're going through and out and she's got a building she's got people and I'm helping to ordain her first church now she's installed in her church the church's name has been changed is now the greater Bethel so I have one church that I am overseeing without a church of my own see your plan and then of course Beth rapa started and we pastored minister to her for about maybe nine years and then it's been a year now that pastors have been coming to me and saying I need you to cover me I need I need instruction I need support I need guidance no we don't have a cathedral we don't have a campus yet so to me it's ironic why don't you go to these big mega churches that can write to a fat check and give you a building and send you on your way they say that's not we we're looking for we're looking for nurturing guidance correction you know all of that and so they kept bothering me and pulling on me and the Lord said you already have pastor Sheila you're already in it you might as well just ease right on into where I want you to be so we have about 6 we have spouts seven churches that we're overseeing and then last year of visually we started the Rafah Alliance now it's not an organization it's an alliance churches of light mindedness coming together supporting each other working together towards a common goal even though they have their individual churches their own mission statements their own directives but we come together because we have the same desire for the Lord the same understanding of what the church should be doing in the world right now so we have like-mindedness commitment and relationship so that's what it is right now I don't know what it will be five years from now but right now that's where the Lord has me and I'm not asking too many questions because I might get answers with that said and this would be the last question of our session what do you what do you see or perceive that you can share with us and I'm sure there are many things that you probably could but what could you share with us with your church with those who are part of your ministry and following your ministry what's the future what is the future hold and and what what are the next steps and phases for you both in the church your personal ministry evangelism what do you believe that the future holds well um I think the future holds just what Paul and John saw you know in preparing the church in the first century to go into the second century they mentored and groomed leaders and people that's the first thing they fought against heresy to maintain the purity of the gospel that's the second thing number three is you know the economic crisis really is a blessing to the church because when we have so much where we're so separate from each other we've gotten to the place you know the last couple of decades where everyone was individually blessed and not necessarily community minded the one thing about the church that we miss is a household of faith we're a family this economic crisis has forced Church I'm sure other communities also to become more sensitive to the need of others like any other crisis if there's a hard or a flood people become more benevolent more compassionate bringing food to each other putting what the economic crisis has reduced us to a commonality that we need each other more people in my church are living in other people's homes instead of living in shelters more people are taking care of other people's children than being in foster care it has reduced us to become a caring family and as Paul called it the household of faith so my responsibility now is to teach people how to be a part of the community of believers okay not just mentoring leaders not just creating these wonderful ministries but teaching us that we are interconnected joint supplying joint and that we have a responsibility to each other and then last but not least we have a responsibility to the world the Lord told me you're a preacher a teacher and a missionary so my assignment is also to prepare the church and encourage the church to reach the world globally which can be done through technology we don't even have to get on the plane anymore to reach the world through medical mission through education through programs one of the things in case of a crisis in case we have another god forbid 9/11 how can the church be more equipped to minister to the community in the time of crisis do we have blankets that we have flashlights do we have cots do we have band-aids so just looking at the church you know overall what we should be focusing on and how we should prepare the next generation to be biblically sound and in Jesus Terri's to take the church into the next generation untarnished it's Oh

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