Police reform meeting; Question over use of force in Brown shooting; Feds to indict Chauvin, cops

[Music] do [Music] do [Music] do [Music] do [Music] do [Music] martin [Music] [Music] so [Music] do [Music] do [Music] do [Music] do [Music] so [Music] martin [Music] [Music] today's thursday april 29 2021 coming up on roland martin unfiltered we'll recap president joe biden's address to congress last night he makes his way to atlanta pays a visit with former president jimmy carter we'll also talk with two members of the congressional black caucus plus an economist will take a look at bayern's economic plan what does it mean for black america we'll also update you on some of the police beef stores we have been covering in minnesota grand jury will decide whether to indict derek shovin and his fellow officers on civil rights violations in ohio the family of makia bryant they're calling for a federal investigation into her debt and the mayor there wants the feds to investigate his police department and in texas medical examiners have ruled the death of marvin scott the third a homicide plus in florida a bill that will limit dropbox locations and restrict who can drop off ballots past the senate and is headed to the state house in georgia the morehouse college debate team they've dropped out of the national tournament because of racism will talk with the head of the debate team and one of the debaters and in baton rouge louisiana lawmakers call for the removal the republican education chair for his comments about slavery we'll talk with the chair of the louisiana legislative black caucus plus all that more coming up on roland martin unfiltered it is time to bring the phone let's go [Music] with entertainment [Applause] [Music] [Applause] you know he's rolling [Music] [Applause] on capitol hill today lawmakers and advocates who want to overhaul the nation's policing laws held held a series of meetings searching for a bill that could pass both firstly they could pass the united states senate the families of several victims of police violence met with south carolina republican uh senators lindsey graham and tim scott to discuss negotiations over the bill related to police reform keep in mind the bill has already passed the house now it goes to the senate after the meeting the attorneys for those families and said they made it clear to the senators they want to see what they described as meaningful change that comes for the passage of these bills not only that they also met with uh the folks at the white house as well including uh cedric richmond and uh susan um uh sorry i bet with um susan rice and so he met with all of them and so the question is what is actually going to happen when it comes to that bill remember last night we talked with congresswoman karen bass about that she's leaving the effort in the house like i said it has already passed the house now it moves over to the united states senate so the question is will senator tim scott can he do the heavy lifting uh to actually make all of that possible let's go to my panel dr greg carr chair department of afro-american cities howard university uh we also have brittany lee lewis political analyst and xavier pope uh he is the host of suit up news and owner of the pope law firm i'll start with you xavier uh bottom line is here uh they've got to uh do something the pressure is on tim scott to deliver last night of course he gave his reaction to president biden speaks declaring that's not racism in america but he talked about him getting pulled over by the cops the question is can he pull at least nine of his fellow republicans to his side to pass a meaningful george floyd justice act roland i said this on the suit up latest episode of suit up news just dropped today for tim scott to go in front of the nation to give a republican response to joe biden's speech at a joint session of congress and after state he's stating that there's no such thing as racism that and there's racist america is not a racist country it's shameful now the pressure is on what are you going to do beyond maybe posture around and become a binky for bigots on television and actually get meaningful change in in the face of of racism that's actually happening if you if you're meeting to resolve issues of racism how are you saying that racism doesn't exist in america he right now he's showing himself as a hypocrite and is he is he posturing around for those that just want to see a black man in a position as their black friend or is he truly working for meaningful change well the speech last night bottom line is uh britney was all about uh it was all about the republican response uh but now again he he now can uh show his medal uh as to he talked about in his speech about how he tried to pass reform last year uh he's focusing on it right now okay now we gotta see what you can do bottom line is you gotta put up shut up yeah well we know tim scott's game uh he i don't think he's actually committed to any form of uh real justice when it comes to policing or when it comes to um the racialized violence that we deal with on a day-to-day basis as black folks i mean it's very clear um this is the same person who says that america is not a racist country granted we know that you know his speech yesterday was riddled um with not only historical inaccuracies but just straight up contradiction on multiple levels in lies um but i'm not sure that he's going to be able to be the one to lead this charge i think he's going to put on a front um as if that's something that he wants to do but at the end of the day you know he's he's backed by many of the same entities that are that are pro police right so i really don't see him leading the charge here greg carr i agree with brittany he's not uh he's not interested in anything other than the gop returning to power we've got the rest of this year and a little bit of next year they're trying to play for time uh talk about to echo uh brother xavier talk about hypocrisy and cynicism a man who at the beginning of march criticized the george floyd justice and policing act uh after he said y'all shot down my attempts to introduce something that could pass yeah that's something that didn't touch qualified immunity that offered quote unquote incentives for uh getting police body cameras and banning chokeholds incentives yeah uh the man who had that to say about the george floyd justice and policing act today met with members of george floyd's family and senator scott said i'm just here to listen i hope that at least one of those family members asked him listen to this tim uh why did you criticize the uh the bill with our family member george floyd's name on it and be specific son be very specific because you came from cotton to congress but those people who would prefer all of us to still be out in that cotton field seem to have stuck you out front to play for time until they can achieve their real objective which is to take the house back add the senate and ultimately two years from then get the presidency back uh folks uh as we speak uh right now um president joe biden is actually speaking uh at a rally uh in uh georgia let's actually go live to georgia right now we've vastly expanded access we've got 100 million doses of vaccine enough for every single american and we've done it by getting vaccines to some 40 000 pharmacies now everyone over the age of 16 is now eligible to get vaccinated right away so please do it get vaccinated now now now now and we promise to deliver emergency relief to the millions of americans who are in financial distress and i might add through no fault of their own so we got out 1 400 checks to the american people and we kept that promise 85 of the households in america have gotten those checks we've already sent out more than 160 million checks out the door and i want to stop here and give thanks to both your senators senator ossoff and warnock for making it happen because those two votes have we not come back and you elected them those two votes made the difference it passed by a single vote [Applause] [Music] and that means we owe special thanks to the people of georgia because of you the rest of the world because of your two senators the rest of america was able to get the help they got so far the american rescue plan would not have passed so much have we gotten done like getting checks to people probably would not have happened so if you ever wonder if elections make a difference just remember what you did here in georgia when you elected ossoff and warnock you began to change the environment [Music] and look because of you we passed one of the most consequential rescue bills in american history so what to do you know what did you do what what you do with your vote here in georgia well you changed america you began to change america and you're helping us prove that democracy democracy can still deliver for the people look i want to thank you for all of that all america wants to thank you because here's what we mean by delivering for the people we created in the first hundred days one million three hundred thousand new jobs one million three hundred thousand jobs in one hundred days that's more new jobs in the first hundred days of any president in history folks because of you and we're here just a few more things that we needed we provided food nutrition assistance for children and families so they don't go hungry rental assistance to keep people from being evicted from their homes loans to small businesses like longs to keep people to keep them open and people employed we made georgia eligible to expand medicaid which means another 500 000 georges can be covered excuse me folks health care should be a right not a privilege in america and here's the thing i'm most proud of we are on track to cut child poverty in half this year by having passed the child tax credit in half but as much as we've done we've got a lot more to do that's why i proposed the american jobs plan it is it's a once-in-a-generation investment in america it's the biggest jobs plan in this country since world war ii and here's what it does it creates jobs rebuilding modernizing our roads our highways our bridges our ports our airports it will provide clean drinking water for every american or 10 million homes in america and there are 40 400 000 schools and daycare centers that have led pipes where drinking the water is a danger we're going to replace 100 of those nations lead pipes and service lines so every child can have a turn at the faucet and know what they're drinking is clean water folks we're going to provide reliable high-speed internet everywhere in america including rural america 15 of georgia households do not have internet at all we're going to change that and those infrastructure projects are going to create millions of good paying jobs just installing them we also know that 2 million women two million women have dropped out of the workforce during this pandemic two million because too often they have to choose between whether or not they can get care for their child and their family or go to work in the 21st century infrastructure isn't just steel and concrete it's people and it's time we start paying people who come to our homes and care for people that love them and going to take care of them and folks you know when a lot of people talk about climate they forget to mention the most important word i made a promise when i was down here running that i would in fact immediately rejoin the paris climate accord on day one which we did and i would have in the first hundred days a climate summit here in america inviting all the world's polluters and all the world's emitters including the biggest nations in the world and they came everyone from russia to china to the european union india all of them and you know what what came across every single one of those countries whether they're going to meet their obligations or not is finally understanding that taking care of saving the planet is going to create millions of good-paying jobs millions of paying jobs we're going to put engineers and construction workers electricians electrical workers building efficient buildings and homes we're going to install 500 000 charging stations along the highways we're going to rebuild and there's no reason why the blades for windmills turbines can't be built in pittsburgh instead of beijing there's no reason there's no reason why american workers can't lead the world in the production of electric vehicles and the batteries that propel them we can do what we need to do in saving the planet and yet create millions of good paying jobs this of course is uh president joe biden now speaking in duluth georgia this is actually a dnc event it is not a an official white house event that's why you do not see it being carried on the white house youtube channel it is available on joe biden's facebook page and his his youtube channel uh and so uh the the this the move here uh greg for him to immediately hit the road uh harkens back to 2009 when the stimulus bill was passed and you know president obama sort of added to was you know folks will figure it out as opposed to um no you've got to hit the stump you've got to you've got to you know make it plain and talking to people and letting them understand what's going on that's right roman you know it's interesting we'll look back at little moments that seem small at the time but will likely add up to a larger inflection point i remember in the debates when asked the health care question he embraced the american uh the affordable care act of course obamacare and then said but then we're going to expand it with the medicaid expansion and it's going to be biden care wait what just happened oh you're learning from the past you need to now go on the offensive last night's speech and him on the road now which is almost like a state of the union move right i mean you're out there now selling your state of the union address he's really treating last night as a state of the union address in many ways um you see it's it's no it's no uh no no mystery why he sat there and talked to uh stood there and talked to bernie sanders immediately after coming off the podium what he was saying last night has the fingerprints of warren has the fingerprints of uh bernie sanders all over it with this expansion so what we're seeing is he has learned from the past and by he don't just mean by now i mean really the democratic apparatus it appears they've learned you've got to take this fight to their throat and by harping on this medicaid expansion possibility in georgia which isn't yet a reality shout out to the cornpone uh clan adjacent governor of georgia brian kemp would rather see his uh citizens die than get medicaid expansion biden is now going to put this knife on the throat of white nationalism and ask them once again you're going to pick your whiteness over your life i think it's a good move he's got to go on the offensive and he certainly as you said learned from the past let's go i know we have a couple of cbc members uh waiting let's go back to this speech i'm going to go to congressman al green congresswoman brittany lawrence let me hear a little bit more of president uh joe biden speech then i'm going to the two cbc members over 10 years to increase their capacity to do everything but gee would you know cyber security all those things where the jobs of the future are the second thing we're going to do provide quality affordable child care you know i know i was a single dad for five years when my wife and daughter got killed right after i got elected to the united states senate as a 29 year old kid what happened was i was lucky i had a daughter i had two boys survived my daughter and wife were killed but my two boys survived and fortunate for me i had an incredible family my sister my brother and my mother and father they basically moved in and helped me raise my kids because although i was a senator i was listening to the poor senator in history but not history but in the years i was there i couldn't afford the cost of daycare i couldn't have forced the cost of child care but i had them i don't know how i would have done it without them so understand how important child care can be under my plan most folks won't pay more than seven percent of their income for child care as a max and the folks who need it the most and can't afford it all won't have to spend a dime that's important and america third thing is american family plan will finally provide up to 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave [Music] congresswoman brendan lawrence of michigan congressman al green of texas uh do a full screen of the speech i want because here's something that the democrats again this is what happens when you're learning drop our lower third please drop a little third this is what they're doing first of all this is the fee that is going out to joe biden's youtube channel president joe biden's his personal youtube channel as well as his facebook page you see text number 100 days getting back on track democratic logo in the left top left corner looks like under jamie harrison congresswoman brenda lawrence democrats are learning how to use communications in social media media and digital platforms to drive home a message you know what's so beautiful about being a real leader is that although our president is one of the oldest we've ever elected he has surrounded himself with all levels of knowledge and experience he does not walk away from youth because they are still experienced regardless of what age you are and you see it being played out even his speech lasts now last night how diverse that was i mean he checked he just went down the line checking all the boxes it was really remarkable and i'm just i'm just impressed and roland one of the things uh someone asked me what was the difference last night so i've been to for for seven years i've been going and before that i would go to the state of the union and it was so electric it was this power in the room everything's buzzing and you just feel energized being there last night there was no electricity it was just joe biden having a conversation with the people that was elected to come and serve and do the work and his resounding message was jobs and let's get it done last night uh greg carr was part of our coverage congressman al green and he said something important he said it was a workmen like speech it was a blue collar speech and in fact the headlines today is that joe biden is looking president joe biden is looking to undercut republicans by specifically appealing to blue-collar workers uh and with that type of speech and that type of agenda agree disagree agree and uh i was honored to be in the room at the time the speech was delivered because as you know for four years i protested the previous president this previous president took us to the edge of insurrection this president is taking us to the brinks of resurrection in terms of the democratic process and if this president does all that he says he's going to do he will be a transformative figure in american politics history will be exceedingly kind to him he has already gone through with the 1.9 trillion dollar american rescue plan uh four fourteen hundred dollars in the pockets of people 200 million shots in arms and then to follow up with that with the american jobs plan a 2.3 trillion dollar piece of legislation and then the american family plan 1.8 trillion dollars he has the potential to do what no president in my lifetime has done and that is to transform the political as well as the economics of the united states of america uh congresswoman lawrence uh one of the things that i've that people uh have been saying is that um specifically for african americans um where is that agenda uh he spoke a little bit last night obviously talked about the george floyd justice act uh how do you respond to that how do you respond to people who african-americans who want to hear a specific agenda for them well you know the thing that a couple things that really just hit the sweet spot for me the education piece i'm a firm believer and i know if my people are educated my people can create develop manage and do anything that we need in this country and the fact that he is going to invest every child doesn't mean you meet a certain demographics will get two years of pre uh preschool and then the community college black women carry the highest level of student debt in america to think that for two years you can get that education get that certification for a skilled trade our skilled trades are too white and we need we know that those are career opportunities but we have this barrier of joining a union getting your apprenticeship and so for me to hear that investment in education and then the other part of that is criminal justice reform if you educate my people they will not be in prison but then we must address the criminal inequities that are in our country when it comes to building a police force that has been built on unfortunate turning of their head as we see racism and violence incorporated with the man wearing a woman wearing the badge and so when he talks about the george floyd and you know the thing that was so powerful last night rolling is he said argue with me fight with me but get it done it's time and to me that was the message that we needed to hear this last four years has been horrific to sit and see a congress that's just stagnant if you're republican i won't support if you're a democrat i won't support and then let's not even talk about the senate who won't even bring forth a bill to be debated for us to do our job so that's to me what do we need we need health care we need education and we need justice criminal justice reform and i tell you we'll take it from there congressman al green uh one of the issues that president joe biden mentioned last night uh hr one john lewis act you are having to deal with republicans in texas uh our home state uh driving trying to drive hard a voter suppression bill yes h.r one is the for the people the john lewis voting rights act is absolutely something that we need in texas because it would reinstate section five of the voting rights act which was eviscerated and that emasculated section 4 of the voting rights act so this is exceedingly important for texas and quite frankly for minority people all over this country because the voting rights act has given us the protection of a pre-clearance requirement before you can start to do the gerrymandering that takes place too often as it relates to us but i would say that he's done this he has caused us to move forward with what we've always said we needed to do and that was to have the conversation about race this president unlike any other i've seen in my lifetime is not afraid to use the language of those who are suffering you cannot change the status quo using the language of the status quo he's not afraid to say systemic racism he's not afraid to say institutionalized racism he's not ashamed to associate with the lgbtq plus community if you recall he came out for gay marriage before president obama came for gay marriage he is not afraid to take on the challenges associated with racism i i do believe that this is a moment that can become a movement that can transform america for all of those who have been suffering because this president has something that the others didn't have you're saying while you're talking we're showing the live feeds from georgia uh he has now been joined on stage by uh congressman excuse me senator uh rafael warnock as well as senator john ossoff pull it all up please [Music] sorry that was it the moment there uh where president bob could not find his mask he was looking all over the place and then uh it was in his pocket uh so uh he had to have an assist there for the first lady uh that's what happens sometimes when uh we forget stuff uh uh congressman greene go ahead and finish here say it again congratulations say it again i said a good woman has a lot of that see all right cars cars are green go ahead finish your point yes let me if i made this is an important point you and i recognize something called street cred that means that you can relate to the activist community he has what i call sweet credit uh he can relate to those who are in the sea suites the ceos the cfos and he can say these things and he does not get the same level of pushback that some of us will get when we say these things he is uniquely positioned to do things that can make a difference that will be long-term in the lives of minorities in this country we just have to stay with him and not we can't stop pushing uh we've got to keep on pushing you remember that song can't stop now but this is our opportunity we have to take advantage of it and to my colleague brenda lawrence it's good to see you my dear lady oh it's always good to see you you know when he tells you that he boycotted not only did he boycott he protested against the madness of the person that was sitting in the white house and so i know it had to be fulfilling and rewarding to finally as a member of congress sit in the joint with a joint session and hear a person first of all who understood the facts who told truth and also had the ability to talk about what we need to do not just focus on how great he is as an individual so it had to be a good night for you congressman green all right congresswoman brenda lawrence always i just want to say thank you you're wearing some proud colors there there brother well you know i got a my my 32nd alphaversary was two days ago on april 27th which also happens to be the birthday of dr greg carr who's on the show a fellow alpha man so that's that's that's why i decided to go ahead and wear the colors today a5 it's it's it's okay congratulations i go you know i know y'all delta's always getting a little shout out so you gotta let this alpha thing run my delta anniversary was the 28th so you know i i should have had my red and white on today well yeah but you got i see you look your delta your delta letters to you to your left i got you i appreciate it thank you so very much thank you god bless you thanks a bunch uh let's go back to our panel uh brittany uh greg and uh xavier uh sales sales sales sales sales sale that was one of the biggest and i'll say it again one of the biggest mistakes and obama's folks admitted it they sometimes you sometimes you so smart you don't and they their deal was hey people gonna figure that thing out uh people know we're doing the right thing no americans ain't that damn smart so you got to make it plain britney you got to explain some stuff you got to be clear and and and i really want people to understand you need to study the contrast of how messages are conveyed the obama campaign all the people always talk about how he sort of floated above everyone else in terms of how he spoke if you listen last night to the presentation of what biden had to say he was talking in a way that i swear he must have gotten advice from joe madison who said you got to put it where the goats can get it that's important when people are trying to understand what but what is he doing well but he talked about child care he talked about oh he's not going to tax us he's going to tax the rich and then walking through by saying i thought it was really important to say 650 of the richest people in america earned a trillion dollars while the rest of you were losing your jobs during covet absolutely roland i mean biden's strategy is is so effective um and we can clearly see what he's doing in the era of misinformation and we know there's plenty of it going around still quite frankly with the big lie related to this election um what he is saying his delivery and his follow-up is so so important and he gave us nothing but calm facts dates statistics and everything that the american people could possibly need and it's exciting to see him getting back out there physically to continue to spread his message to the people and i hope his strategy is useful uh xavier messaging is going to be important i think hitting the campaign trail is vital as well because he has to rally people to get behind the agenda to put pressure on their senators to vote for it he learned from donald trump donald trump spent his entire time in office trying to take his message out to his constituency selling lies over and over and over and over and over again until it affected the mainstream view of what was happening in the american politics and so joe biden is taking a cue not only from his is barack obama in terms of some of the progressive policies but now using the instrumentality of donald trump and continuously putting out the message in front of the american people and speaking in language that they understand uh i won't necessarily don't necessarily see it as uh following in terms of uh what's up with donald trump because many presidents did that but i think the key is again driving home your message and it's no shock the first place he went was georgia greg that's absolutely right roland um he is going to uh have to be a bit of a happy warrior uh we of course walter mondale made transition a few days ago a couple of weeks ago uh in the spirit of walter mondale's mentor hubert humphrey uh this is more like fdr us versus them of course fdr was a member of the us class the moneyed class so that form of class treason that he committed which uh strained his relations with the members of that millionaire and billionaire class for the rest of his life uh he nevertheless took the fight to them uh and it's interesting is here and listen to congresswoman lawrence you know when this man says that clean drinking water will be everywhere and he names the number of schools that where you can't drink the water i'm sure all of us remember those schools i mean if you're like me you went to one of those schools don't drink out of that water fountain and i work for schools in philadelphia you go into buildings no so what does it mean for joe biden after having uh uh um kind of clothed himself in the spirit of uh in some people's construction the last good president jimmy carter the christian president who's still out there building houses what does it mean for him to emerge and basically tell brian kemp you're not going to expand medicaid we got that done it's on you now chief what will it mean for him to drop down and land in some of that upper peninsula part of michigan and say we're trying to put these uh pipes in by the way those of you who say what are they doing for black people uh last i checked flint was black um and what does it mean for him then to talk about and paul krugman wrote this in the new york times today he said you know once you expand uh once you create child care universal pre-k and paid uh family leave yeah good luck republicans trying to take that away what will it mean for for joe biden to drop out of the sky in west virginia joe manchin arizona christian cinema uh wisconsin ron johnson soon to be shown the door and say all of these things are here for you if your senators will get out of the way this is the time to press the advantage and i think you're absolutely right that's exactly what he's doing uh absolutely uh obviously uh one of the issues that he kept talking about last night uh in the speech dealt with the economy taxes the impact of that i want to bring in now dr william spriggs of course uh who is economist with afl-cio howard university doc it was interesting senator tim scott said in his response that oh oh if biden increases your taxes wages are going to go down bible was very specific the taxes he wants to increase on corporations 21 to 28 and going back to the tax the bush level tax cuts that were just in place four years ago i'm trying to figure out how the hell is that going to drop wages well we were promised that with the tax cut that came in place that gave billions of dollars to the richest corporations and richest individuals that would lead to tax breaks for them wage increases for us and the promise was that wages would accelerate so that's what scott is talking about except we gave billions of dollars and exactly as joe biden said the wages that went up were for the ceos they took the profits and ran they didn't share it with their workers this is why we had workers organizing in bessemer alabama because not only did that windfall help amazon but then the way in which covid shut down their competitors gave amazon trillions in wealth trillions in wealth and what do we see they still have to fight for decent wages they still have to fight for a safe place at work and so as biden made clear trickle down doesn't work and this was amazing to have an american president finally say in clear language trickle down doesn't work well in fact he also made clear that um uh that when you talk about uh these corporations they made they said we ain't using that money to invest back in the companies we're going to buy stock back they said it they were very clear well and they did which is part of the reason why ceo pay went up because that increase in stock price directly goes to their compensation but more importantly i think was the challenge that he now put to fiscal conservatives because they passed that tax cut and said we don't care that it's creating two trillion dollars in deficit we don't care it's going to pay for itself but he put forth the program and said i'm not going to increase the deficit i'm going to take back your tax cut because america can afford clean water america can afford for mothers to be able to have paid time off america can afford for its children like the rest of the children in the industrialized world to have access to quality daycare and for seniors to have access to quality end-of-life care we can afford it here's how i'm gonna pay for it now here's the debate it's paid for it's not a deficit thing so so so when the critics say um biden's tax cuts tax i'm sorry his uh his tax plan cannot pay for all the things that he's saying you say that's that is incorrect it can it can and it does it's paid for it's paid for the money that went to buy back stocks the money that went so that ceos could double their pay relative to their average worker america can afford can afford to have the things it needs to have an economy that can sustain itself and grow in the 21st century we can afford that as this nation we just gave the money to the wrong people um last question for you uh in terms of you know trying to push through uh the infrastructure bill uh do black folks benefit well this portion of the bill is the one that has the greatest benefit for black families because the majority of black workers are women and this addresses key issues that prevent women from having decent earnings one by changing the wages of daycare workers which therefore changes the wage that women can offer right because if i'm guaranteed 15 an hour by being a child care worker this ups the ante of your amazon because i'm not going to be in the bed i'm not going to be working in your best summer plan with you monitoring every time i go to the bathroom if i can get a job for 15 an hour being a daycare worker so this changes the reference wage for women it gives women access to quality child care for their children which is what black women have always lacked was access to quality child care for their children this has always been the negative equation for black women that they had to deal with how can i take care of somebody else's child when i can't take care of my own this has always been the economic conundrum of how to get ahead paid leave paid leave so that all workers are going to be guaranteed that most important for women and and the fact that we're going to have a refundable child credit so that every month not every year like with the earned income tax credit but every month that mother will know how am i paying for the child care because that credit is going to come to her and she knows where the money is going to come from to pay for her child care so it's revolutionary when you think about what this does to free up black women's labor force participation which already was higher than for white women anyway all right then dr bill spriggs i certainly appreciate it thank you so very much thank you uh folks i i got to get uh the thoughts of my panel on this one um we all know that uh dr cornel west was not the biggest fan of president barack obama uh but he appeared on cnn international in uh today and and he said something that was uh that was interesting where it where he praised he praised president biden said that he had more courage to fight on court issues than uh than uh president barack obama can't wait to get your thoughts on this one listen when he ran for the president you supported bernie sanders now there were 100 days into the biden administration 400 000 schools in daycare have you revived your assessment of him and maybe think that he could be a little bit like lyndon baines johnson and surprise us especially on the issue of race i think that uh biden is going to surprise us he surprised me when he went in my view was that he was tied with four crimes against humanity mass incarceration 15 of georgia households unleashing wall street greed with glass-steagall act repeal with the invasion occupation of iraq and israeli occupation all of those you would not say a critical word about in any substantive way and in many ways he was the architect and supporter of them in coming into office he hits the issue of yemen and afghanistan head on relief infrastructure deeply concerned about police brutality talks about white supremacy talks about jim crow he reminds me very much of lbj who started as the white supremacists from jim crow texas and ended up one of the major forces for good against white supremacy that's why you never give up on people you never know which way they're headed you never know what kind of change they can put forth if biden continues in this way he's going to be very much like lbj and will be a much stronger force for good against white supremacy on the ground than barack obama was now barack obama had the symbol because he's brilliant he's black he poised and so forth didn't have the courage didn't have the willingness to fight that biden does when it comes to this issue when it comes to variety of issues xavier agree disagree uh i disagree i think the the glaring issue in the room is raised joe biden is a white man he has he has the privilege to be able to stand after having barack obama use him in his bona fide as being a working-class representative of white folks to get elected then you'll have to face opposition to every every angle from republicans and then a lead to the election of donald trump and then come into office and ride the coattails of how he got off in at office in the first place had kamala harris and then come into office and do all these different ambitious things great on its face but joe biden is a white man and he has so much more leeway to be able to do the things he's doing because he's a white man that's simple brittany yeah it's tough because because i love i love cordell weston and i i do often think that his critiques of obama have been fair um but this time i think the point um that was just made in regards to the fact that joe biden is a white man obviously we need to talk about that because that has a lot to do with what barack obama felt like he could and couldn't say because of because of race and he's made that very clear um but i also think he's being too forgiven too forgiving of biden um to be fair yes i was surprised to hear the way in which biden and warren's ideology have finally kind of struck uh excuse me how bernie and warren's ideology is kind of struck biden in the head in terms of what he's talking about taxing the rich and i'm happy about that but i still hear so many echoes of things that um aren't demonstrating that biden is really creating this super radical agenda i mean if we just talk about his conversations around the us military this myth that strong military presence is not to start a conflict but to prevent one it's a commitment to human rights and fundamental freedoms um i'm just not sure that that shows a really radical agenda or even like i mentioned last night i was really bummed um that biden didn't spend more time talking about race relations or talking about policing and everything that i've read as of recent demonstrates that um he's not going to be doing nearly enough on that front and truly still believes in reforming the police department as opposed to defunding great yeah i think cornell is right but it's much more complicated i think that he kind of portrayed it there let's not forget the united states of america is still a criminal enterprise that is based on wealth extraction so business runs this country that's why we're here having this conversation in english they came to get us to do that labor um so in that regard biden is a neo-liberal just like barack obama's a neo-liberal you know set the symbols aside that having been said you can't win elections in the democratic party anymore without a constituency whose interests are in direct opposition to that criminal enterprise and so in order to do that i think what barack obama was doing by being too clever than half and i think this may be where it's a little personal for brother cornell who campaigned extensively for barack obama who and who felt rightly so i think in some ways slighted by obama see when you're that smart as barack obama is and you surround yourself with these brilliant people like david plouffe and axelrod you know you don't you you basically tune out all the people who could tell you how to do things and i think what working class joe has done and i think this is the strategy jim clyburn embraced of course when those of us who were saying no you know let's go warren let's go uh sanders it's like no jim clavin is like they're not gonna vote for warren or sanders they're gonna say you better put an old white man in there but what biden has done and here's shout out to uh spencer overton and them just dropped this report with the joint center it says you know they're about 18 percent of the hires they've made in the federal government so far under by administration have been black it's not counting black folk or other non-whites and it's more than just uh symbolism you could hear different voice you can hear said richman in there you can certainly hear bernie sanders elizabeth warren and what he's saying joe biden seems to have released the wheel in terms of his policy to people encircle in a circle that is much more broad than anything barack obama trying to channel himself almost like a black jfk did he didn't so i think that is the kind of difference and so when cornell was saying that i wouldn't typify that as courage i wouldn't typify that as courage nor would i say that joe biden is so suddenly enlightened the democrats can't win any elections without the constituency that they're going to have to bow to and so you know i think the barack obama presidency was a was a missed opportunity but remember one final thing barack obama nominated merrick garland which was a missed opportunity as you always remind us that he put a sister up there uh we may not have heard of donald trump people would have gone that turned out however what is merrick garland doing now he damned it like the sheriff of america he's dropping down in the middle of the cities launching investigations into police forces like omar from the wire he's like you know it's like uh merrick is coming and so my point is this joe biden has learned from the time he spent in the obama administration in some ways as you said at the beginning what to do and what not to do all right then folks let's talk about some of those police cases are in north carolina we're of course getting an update on what's happening there doing wednesdays hearing to release the body cam video in the andrew brown case d.a andrew womble claimed the footage shows brown hitting officers with his car that's interesting especially senate considering the pasco tank county sheriff's department posted its use of force policy to the county's new website created to provide factual information to correct any false information and rumors that are circulating here's what the county sheriff's office use of force policy says about shooting into a vehicle quote shots fired at or from a moving vehicle involve additional considerations and risk and are rarely effective when feasible deputies should take reasonable steps to move out of the path of an approaching vehicle instead of discharging their firearm at the vehicle or any of its occupants a deputy should only discharge a firearm at a moving vehicle or its occupants where the deputy reasonably believes there are no other reasonable means available to avert the imminent threat of the vehicle or if deadly force other than the vehicle is directed at the deputy or others deputies should not shoot at any part of a vehicle in an attempt to disable a vehicle deputies shall use only that amount of force that reasonably appears necessary given the facts and circumstances perceived by the deputy at the time of the event to accomplish a legitimate law enforcement purpose the reasonableness of force will be judged from the perspective of reasonable deputy on the scene at the time of the incident deputies may use reasonable force to prevent escape or to arrest the person believed to have committed a criminal offense to defend him herself or third person against the use or imminent use of physical force now that's what the use of policy use of force policy actually reads now also today uh the sheriff released the names of three of the deputies involved but if y'all have the video that we showed yesterday can y'all show the actual video uh it was more than three deputies who were involved i don't quite understand why they're only showing giving us three names that's kind of interesting makes no sense to me um what we still are dealing with here brittany like this is the video right here so i'm just trying to understand um you know why only three names are being revealed um just makes no sense to me but that's sort of uh what we have again the sheriff released those names let me if i can pull up right now and go to the charlotte observer of their website where they actually have a story listing uh those names allow me to pull it up right now let's see if we can pull it up all right uh all right having some issues here um looks like you know they have the uh these uh blocks on the site but to say is that the sheriff he's actually released three of those names i was told by folks when i was in elizabeth city that one of the things that you have there is that you had another county officers who were involved there were still waiting to get again more information on that particular case and so again the craziness continues to happen there in elizabeth city now in minneapolis federal prosecutors are moving forward with their case against the officers involved in the death of george floyd in fact they were decided they are determined had derrick shelvin been found not guilty they were prepared to arrest him in court and then take him straight to jail to charge him with civil rights violations they're going to take it to a grand jury to decide to indict chauvin and the three other officers who were involved on civil rights violations in addition to floyd's murder children could face the indictment for the violent arrest of a 14 year boy in 2017 he's accused of striking the teen on the head with his flashlight grabbing him on the throat and hitting him xavier um again this is the difference between an aggressive department of justice and one that makes excuses for police misconduct yeah we we saw the previous uh department of justice uh openly say that there were no issues um attack consent dis decrees and put all types of barriers in terms of being able to get to the bottom of policing um and we we saw you just showed a give a couple of weeks ago roland a old white man running his car until it took police and police didn't decide to shoot him we but we do see police rolling up like it's a movie of mad max um on the scene um to be able to deal with this this gentleman so we're seeing a completely different set of rules and laws uh being applied to african americans in policing didn't apply to others it's open it's clear it's something that it's hard to debate when we're seeing what's happening right now brittany yeah i mean under trump we know the pattern of practice investigations were largely curtailed um you know but attorney general garland is definitely showing some eagerness to revamp them he's opening like you said investigations all over the place so i mean and we need it wrong even we think about what happened with andrew brown you know these folks only provided 20 seconds of body cam footage you know they decided to immediately declare a state of emergency seven people were placed on leave three others resigned um and i just feel like if that doesn't tell you something isn't right then i don't really know what would um and i'm glad you know we there is a continued pattern here and i am glad that the doj is stepping in um this continues to be an ongoing problem uh real quick rolling we also saw in chicago then adam saletto it was a there was a d.a that was that was disciplined after he misrepresented misrepresented what was on the video and so who are we to believe what's going on this particular d.a being representing what's actually in the video when they're withholding the video right now well uh again we're still just waiting for more uh information there so uh we will continue to um press um uh on this now let's go to columbus with the family mckee bryant is calling for a federal investigation into her death a 16-year-old was fatally shot last week officer nicholas reardon who responded to a 9-1-1 call about an attacker at her residence during a news conference brian's family and their attorney michelle martin announced their calling for investigations into ohio's foster care system and the shooting incident investigate every agency that had that had a time and an opportunity to prevent makaya's death i stand here with her family committed to getting answers we'll be calling for a couple federal investigations one being from the health and human services asking that ohio that we look into ohio's foster care system starting here in franklin county we're also going to be calling for a department of justice investigation into the shooting and we're still investigating who else could be at fault because this can't happen again i've served as a guardian at lightham for over 200 children over the past decade i've seen the pain in their eyes their eyes far too often and we need to protect and cherish all of our children especially those in distress who need us the most she was very sweet and caring and loving she was a christian and she did deserve this to know her was the no piece she was she was here with me for 16 years she was labeled to be my peacemaker for something tragic like this to happen is unimaginable so i want justice for my grandbaby brown's funeral service will be held tomorrow at the first church of god in columbus the viewing will begin at noon followed by the service at 1pm in addition to that the mayor of columbus andrew gemther he is asking the doj to commit a full-scale investigation into his city's police department after several high-profile fatal police shootings he wants the doj to evaluate the city's current reform measures determine whether they are efficient make recommendations on what to change they also asked federal officials to determine if racial disparities exist within the city's police department within areas such as hiring use of force recruitment and discipline that is something that we have seen before brittany we saw um mayors saw the police chief in philadelphia a few years ago the mayor of new orleans landrieu a number of years ago as well of course we saw uh merrick garland announced the doj was going to be looking at the patterns and practices uh in minneapolis as well as louisville yeah i mean i i'm glad that the doj is doing a deep dive you know representative bass that you had on last night i really thought that she hit the nail on the head when she she put it so eloquently she said white folks get public servants and black folks get warriors and we are so tired of watching our own die and when we just think about specifically columbus ohio you know i saw some statistics recently that were talking about how the black population there is around 240 000 and yet black people killed by police just in a single year was 31 and the average annual rate of killing black folks there by the police is about 16. that's insane black folks there are killed five times they're five times more likely to be killed than their white counterparts first off no one should be getting killed unjustly by the police but the disparity um in regards to the amount of black folks that are being killed at the hands of police is absolutely ridiculous and don't even get me started on the city's budget um you know the 2020 proposed budget for columbus ohio alone allocated almost 400 million to the police and around 100 million on education health public service public services and recreation combined so you can't tell me that columbus ohio is really not just a a police department in and of itself with underfunded services on the side uh folks let me give you an update of a case out of texas with official cause of the death of marvin scott iii has been determined as a fatal acute stress response in an individual with previously diagnosed schizophrenia during restraint struggle with law enforcement more than a month after his death the family was allowed to view the video of his last moments what we saw in almost five hours of video of marvin's last moments was repeated opportunities for our hired professionals for legal professionals to engage with one of the most vulnerable members of our community someone suffering from a disability in a way that they were aware of the way that allen police department was aware that marvin scott was clearly in a schizophrenic episode a manic episode there were clear open signs that even the untrained eye could have observed that marvin scott needed help instead he received brutality after reviewing the video it took a while to review it i feel that justice has to be served it has to be yes i feel that the officers involved have to be arrested that's what i feel i feel that way we demand that well texas rangers continue to investigate scott's case and so we'll continue to stay on top of that all right folks got to go to a break when we come back what's wrong with some of these people in louisiana y'all wait until i explain to you what this crazy legislator said during the hearing you want about crazy as white people disqualifies that's next to roller mart unfiltered shortly after 9 11 america and its allies went to war in afghanistan to defeat a terrorist stronghold we accomplished that mission years ago trillions of dollars lost over 2 000 americans dead countless afghans dead it's time to get out many presidents have tried to end the war in afghanistan but president biden is actually going to do it and by 9 11 over 20 years after the war was started the last american soldier will depart and america's longest war will be over promise made promise kept everyone i'm godfrey and you're watching roland martin unfiltered and while he's doing unfiltered i'm practicing the wobble girl [Music] um lord y'all some people who in elected office i don't understand how they got there lord have mercy i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't listen to what this fool said during an education here in louisiana this actually happened y'all this is not an snl skit let's talk about page four section e line 21. on the original bill this is the bill that you had marked up for us and sent us that shows the red line changes so that might be a little different but i think it is section e um it says nothing in this section but shall be construed to do any of the following and if or violate first amendment rights of students or employees and or undermine intellectual freedom or freedom of expression prevent a school from promoting racial cultural ethic ethnic intellectual or academic diversity or inclusiveness if such efforts or constituents are consistent with the provisions of this section is that section that's referring back to the entire bill yeah that's when you use that term needs to capitalize it's referring to this section of law section three part three of this prohibited discussion of divisive concepts is part of a larger course of academic instruction to me what you're saying here contradicts much of the bill and i when i initially reviewed this bill i found it confusing and hard to follow and i think when we give it to a teacher in the classroom i don't know how they are going to make this section e seems to contradict what you're saying in the rest of the bill um so so what what would you consider part of a larger course of academic instruction the first off if you go to page 4 line 16 it says d1 each school governing authority shall adopt policies and procedures for the investigation of complaints relative to non-compliance with this section so the policies and procedures sets out what the policies and procedures should should uh maintain so the teachers won't get this bill the teachers will receive the policies and procedures as set out by the district okay but let's go back to part three of this prohibit discussion of divisive concepts as part of a larger course of academic instruction what does that mean exactly what it says i mean the the words on the page are if if there's a but what is a larger course of academic instruction if you're teaching if you're having a discussion on whatever the case may be on slavery then you can talk about everything dealing with slavery the good the bad the ugly there's no good to slavery though well then whatever whatever the case may be you're right you're right i i didn't mean to imply that uh and and that i don't believe that and i i know that that's the case but i'm using that good bad nuggly to as a generic way of saying that you can teach any facts we have factually based anything regardless none of us were around when slavery occurred we we can we can rely on the history that was written about that time we can rely on primary documents that we have found but nobody sitting here on this on the earth was around um when when the united states had slavery so i i i just none of us were alive when most of history was written history is constantly being written it is a fluid concept how can history a fact is a fact so i don't understand what you mean by a flu please explain to me what you mean by a fluid concept i'm saying history history is yesterday history is two days ago and what occurred occurred that's exactly what i'm saying we agree on that but we can experience the same event and and potentially have different differing views i mean you know that as an attorney that that witness testimony can can vary i just it comes back to there are divisive concepts that are taught in the larger course of academic instruction and the first part of this bill seems to contradict the ability that you're allowing them to teach divisive concepts as a part of a larger course of academic instruction that's and i think that's when many of the opponents have had trouble reconciling those two ideas the black caucus they want representative ted james to be removed as a result of this this nonsense um i i i i i can't even just really um first of all so t james joins us right now this is uh representative ruffalo with these crazy comments i i the good the bad really really sir i'm i'm confused you know rolling we were all confused um you know the fact that he even the fact that this person was elected that's problematic um the fact that this person is the chairman of the education committee um he is a leader in our body um and would say something so stupid so insensitive and borderline races um is extremely problematic to us and as the chair of the legislative black caucus um we've asked for for his immediate removal from the position um and and i think that we've also been joined by several of our republican colleagues who also know that he shouldn't represent our body in a leadership role so republicans agree with y'all and said yeah he got to go you know republicans pleaded with him for months three three months ago he brought up an issue because lsu had a series called dismantling um the the vestiges of racism and they wanted to dismantle white supremacy and he said that white supremacy doesn't exist we don't have structural racism um so him starting this conversation three three months ago and on yesterday our speaker the house was a republican um asked him not to run that bill and he had promised the speaker and he promised myself that he wouldn't run the bill and three hours later he's now a national headline for his racism and his stupidity so what's next was is it going to be removed we don't know yet um i had a two-hour meeting today with the speaker the speaker is hearing from not only um the black caucus but other members of the legislature are republican and other constituency groups um i know that the speaker of the house um the democrats in the black caucus put him in office as speaker but i know he's going to take the weekend to you know make a decision uh i really get a kick out of i mean this is uh you know listening to senator tim scott last night i i really get a kick out of how nearly every time is one of these stories it's a republican who's involved you know republicans continue to show us why we need to elect more democrats you know i was appalled that tim scott continues to allow himself to be used by the republican party to stand up there and say what we all know um to be false we know especially in a state like louisiana we rank 50th in education and this is the guy who is the chair of our education committee um and he he says that there is no structural racism in a building you know i go into the state capitol every day with the images of slaves sketched into the building um so for him to to make that idiotic comment um as a chairman is is extremely problematic and then you know i think that was what was even worse is that he took the floor yesterday in what we thought was going to be an apology and he said well number one the speaker asked me to come down here um and i apologize that the media is taking my comment out of context you all know me and if you want to come talk to me about it come see me at my desk um that was equally as insulting and probably even more insulting than his idiotic comment that he made um in that committee yesterday uh i get a kick out of folks who are saying comments was taken taken out of context when we played the entire comment in tech in in uh in in text [Laughter] go ahead final comment you know we'll continue to to push uh for his removal um we've also said that he needs to be made to attend some of those classes at lsu because i think his comments um speak to the need for institutions like lsu and southern university to have these conversations because obviously the people that we've elected don't understand the history of racism because they can't even admit that it exists um so i would hope that the speaker would also encourage him and if not demand that he attend some of these conversations because obviously he needs to hear him all right remember james i appreciate it thanks a lot thank you brother all right xavier this is a pretty interesting one here in idaho a bill that will prohibit public schools from teaching that any sex race ethnicity religion color or national origin is inherently superior or inferior has passed the state senate some gop folks there believe discussions about critical race theory are teaching students to hate their country however students disagree with that notion and say the discussions on racism don't teach them to hate their country but instead allow them to understand the us's history students held a protest against house bill 377 on the idaho capitol steps during that protest the senate announced they would be taking up the bill it's just nuts uh it's just nuts xavier how how how these republicans are just going crazy oh my god critical race theory frankly being lead by the white supremacist tucker carl said on fox news roland they want to continuously shift the conversation away from having a con about race and structural racism and solutions and governing to be able to resolve these issues by stating that bringing up these issues themselves are racist um which is ridiculous and like the pre previous segment talking about the representative who openly said i didn't say that just hope to use lies as ways to be able to to stand firm and go against these issues and so we're seeing this ridiculous culture war did attempt to misdirect the conversations about ways that we could actually change how we do things in this country they want to stand firm sell their narrative of racism to their constituencies and try to win offices based on them change the rules and try to continue to get things working in their favor it's ridiculous um this whole attack on critical race theory i i'm really laughing at it because it's just driving these people nuts brittany they just they don't know what to do they really don't roll in and we're seeing this these types of bills go out all over the place we've seen it in iowa like you just showed we saw it in louisiana we're seeing it now in idaho and what's interesting to me is first off you cannot force-feed americans a historical information really for the purpose of patriotism and trying them trying to get them to i guess essentially try and read that rebuild the republican party because you you can't vote that way if you truly understand the history and what their policies stand on which is this this history of racism and sexism and then i feel like if you're if they're looking for this blind patriotism right if this country as exceptional as profound as the gop constantly suggests which is why we shouldn't be teaching anything counter why do they feel the need to remove indisputable facts about the country's history allow people to be patriots or to join your party after they obtain a diverse array of information and available and develop critical thinking skills um you know i really want to know how limiting censoring and cherry picking what can be taught in the classroom is any different than what the gop claims happen in communist countries isn't the american way based on freedom of information and knowledge so i mean the question really comes down to do we want historical facts and details that are well researched and published by experts or do we want this kind of cherry-picked nationalism in thought and to be quite frank the latter is petrifying and and we're seeing this kind of ideological attack happen in so many states so we got some work to do we got some work to do um i'm just laughing at them i think they're crazy all right y'all uh gotta go to a break uh when we come back um we're gonna talk about the morehouse debate team saying hey um y'all white folks wanna sit here play racist game with us yo we out this debate competition we'll talk to hear the debate team and one of its members next on roller martin unfiltered i believe that it's movement time again in america today the economy is not working for working people the poor and the needy are being abused you are the victims of power and this is the abuse of economic power i'm 23 years old i work three jobs work seven days a week no days off they're paying people pennies on the dollar compared to what they profit and it is time for this to end essential workers have been showing up to work feeding us caring for us delivering goods to us throughout this entire pandemic and they've been doing it on a measly 725 minimum wage the highest check i ever got was literally 291 dollars can't take it no more you know the fight for 15 is a lot more than about 15 an hour this is about a fight for your dignity we have got to recognize that working people deserve livable wages and it's long past time for this nation to go to 15 so that moms and dads don't have to choose between asthma inhalers and rent i'm halfway homeless the main reason that people end up in their cars is because income does not match housing cost if i could just only work one job i could have more time with them it is time for the owners of walmart mcdonald's dollar general and of the large corporations to get off welfare and pay their workers a living wage and if you really want to tackle racial equity you have to raise the minimum wage we're not just fighting for our families we're fighting for yours too we need this i'm going to fight for it till we get it i'm not going to give up we just need all work to sit up as one nation and just fight together families are relying on these salaries and they must be paid at a minimum fifteen dollars an hour and fifteen dollars a minimum anyone should be making disabilities stay out of poverty i can't take it no more i'm doing this for not only me but for everybody [Music] we need 15 right now i believe that people our age have lost the ability to focus the discipline on the art of organizing it takes all of y'all to represent your generation the african proverb says the young go fast the elders know the way that is so freaking dope combination the challenges there's so many of them and they're complex and we need to be moving to address them but i'm able to say watch out tiffany i know this wrong like you said giving folks the wisdom and we can go fast together it happens in a lot of spaces i don't think it happens enough [Music] hey everybody it's your mate foreign hammock hi my name is brisha webb and you're watching roland martin unfiltered and well i like a nice filter usually but we can be unfiltered if you all want to see that janet be cold tfelfton interview simply go to my facebook page facebook.com forward slash roland s martin fan page we appended at the top it's a conversation you do not want to miss that inter-generational conversation all right folks let's talk about the drama and morehouse award-winning members of atlanta's morehouse college speech and debate team suddenly pulled out the u.s university's debating championship tournament in protest earlier this month during the debate which was being held on zoom the black debaters could see and hear white debaters from other colleges mocking them and using racist gestures and comments professor kenneth a newbie the director of the debate team at morehouse college joins us right now doc glad to have you so take us through first of all explain to people what is this national championship sure this is the united states university's debating championship it is the national championship for the british parliamentary debate format and it's grown over the years to be the largest intercollegiate debate championship in the country you regularly have over 200 teams competing from colleges and universities from around the country everywhere from the university of alaska to university of miami to harvard yale brown morehouse spelman you name it so it's the movie the great debaters on steroids yeah that's a fair carrot that's a fair characterization although the format is a little bit unique because you don't have one team versus another team in each debate round you actually have four teams that compete against each other and they don't compete for just a win they compete for a ranking so the teams are ranked in ordinal fashion from one to four in order of who did the best debating all right so y'all are participating in this debate your team is on zoom then what happens uh what i'm going to recall for you is my best explanation from what was told to me because i wasn't in the debate room the virtual room i didn't have a chance to observe it and it wasn't recorded so i didn't have a chance to even witness it on a re-watch to see what happened but what was communicated to me by my students is that the other debaters that were in the round that they were debating against were engaged in inappropriate behavior making inappropriate gestures making anti-black mocking them mocking their tonality even when they were asking them questions in the debate there's a procedure called points of information that allows you to interrupt a speaker to ask a question and when they were doing that and having those interruptions they were doing it in the most inappropriate ways but then sort of the offensive behavior in the space didn't end there that the debaters were also making arguments that were rooted in blackness rooted in black examples to illustrate their points for evidence and the judges at the end of the debate told them that they didn't give much credit they discounted those examples maybe because they were unfamiliar with them and instead only credited the arguments from their white opponents and so my debaters felt like that was a slap in the face because now after being mocked after suffering the gestures after suffering sort of the anti-black conduct then to have the judges sort of reinforce that by giving them a lower rank in the round it was almost as if the they were being rewarded for bad behavior the decision to pull out when when your debaters came to you and they said this is happening did you try to talk them into staying or did you say your call i did not try to talk to mr stang in fact what happened was this you gotta understand this is my best team for this school year this is a team that won the competition at vanderbilt university that won the social justice national championship and that two weeks before this tournament was in the final round at the western regional uh championship with dozens of schools from the west coast so this is a top tier team that had the ability to win the national title so when they came to me with this issue and said we don't want to debate in this tournament anymore we filed an equity complaint based on the conduct and one of my debaters was literally incapable of even talking to me about it uh his partner had to talk to me and relay the information i knew it was a situation that we had to immediately take seriously so what i told them was that this was not going to be your issue as individuals this was going to be a team issue and that as a program we're going to stand together and we're going to pull out this tournament but we're also going to continue to demand that the tournament address the issues that you raised as they promised to do and did they and have they uh so what happened was they initially delayed addressing the issues so i followed up with what's known as the equity team at the tournament who's the group that's charged with addressing the issues and confirmed that they promised my team a public response a statement to condemn the behavior and address that in front of the entire tournament and they said they were working on it and so while they were working on it morehouse drafted its own statement i came back to him and said do you have your statement are you ready they said we're still working on it we said well you know it's not acceptable to just continue the tournament as if nothing has happened when there's an important issue that you've acknowledged that you need to address and it's not being done so we demanded that they then post our statement they were fused so we posted our statement ourselves and we asked other schools to stand in solidarity with us and to refuse to continue to debate in the competition until these issues of anti-blackness within this debate space were addressed are you satisfied what more do you want to see done no i wouldn't say we it's impossible to be satisfied yet because the problems haven't been solved i mean the problem started with a complaint from the moross debate team but that's not certainly not where they end we ultimately had a forum at the tournament that i moderated in which debaters from all over the country talked about their very important issues talked about the issues of anti-blackness that they had experienced at the tournament and rich lard writ large in the british parliamentary debate space in particular for example there was a amazing contribution from the debaters from spelman college who recounted some of their experiences in the preliminary rounds of the debate and the spelman college debaters also called upon uh folks to join morehouse and to pull out and to con to refuse to continue to debate in the tournament and what happened was you saw a series of teams who were withdrawing from the tournament and saying you know what if morehouse is not debating in this tournament any longer neither are we and that ultimately led to the cancellation of the tournament now the fact that the tournament was cancelled is in and of itself is not sufficient because that does not address the equity issues that were raised now not just by morehouse but by numerous colleges and universities so that's the larger more complicated challenge that we have to address as a debate community how to deal with these issues how to mitigate them to prevent them from occurring in the debate space in the first place and how to better address them when they do emerge and those conversations are now starting to happen with coaches from around the country um questions uh brittany you first yeah so my first question is how are judges picked for these debates like is there any type of screening to make sure that they're well versed on racial issues yeah what's the process there so the way so the tournaments hosted this year by the university by students from the university of pennsylvania those students then select what's known as a chief adjudication team that chief adjudication team is responsible for managing all of the judges in the tournament but the judges in the tournament are a mixture they're a mixture of what we'll call institutional judges in other words judges that are provided by the colleges and universities that are in attendance and then there are also judges that are recruited so independent who are called independent adjudicators and those judges are recruited by the chief adjudication team they come from a variety of places they're often very experienced judges in terms of being skilled in judges they have to submit judge cvs which are considered and then based on those judge cvs they're selected and then provided subsidies to attend the tournament but in fact one notable judge a couple notable judges rather who were attending from south africa noted that once they heard our issues they were no longer going to continue to judge in the in the competition in fact they noted that morehouse had previously stood with debaters from south africa when they protested at the world universities debating championship in 2019 and they remembered that support and wanted to return it and stand with morehouse in solidarity at this national championship xavier ken what were the names of the the institutions that were involved in this egregious conduct uh are they disciplined in any way and are there any procedures on the books to be able to address some of the behavior that they were involved in and who is going to be involved if they are they aren't anything is there is anything on the books to be able to institute new policies to maybe to penalize uh teams that engage in conduct like we've seen here well let me deal with all parts of those questions so first as far as the names we don't really know the names the reason why we don't we can't be sure of the names is because when teams are competing they compete under pseudonyms and the reason why they compete with this type of anonymity is you want to try to mitigate any bias that may come against the fact that you may have say harvard university debating atlanta community college you don't want harvard to win just because they're harvard you want the debate to be decided based on the arguments so we can't even specifically identify all of the teams that were in the round with us but as far as the discipline goes the tournament does have equity procedures they're written procedures set up it's not they're not supposed to countenance or accept any kind of discriminatory behavior off of any protected class such as race for example or sex uh that type of discrimination whether it would be sexism racism uh any conduct of that matter is expressly prohibited under the tournament's policies and the equity team is the team that is charged with addressing any complaints and so that's why i highlighted the fact that my team filed an equity complaint had their equity complaint investigated by this team that team determined a response was warranted but then didn't deliver the response that they should have delivered under their own policies uh frankly and that's why it was such a big deal to us at morehouse because if you're going to have a tournament and you're going to have rules and procedures then you need to follow those rules and procedures and delaying addressing issues that are of urgency in terms of importance is just not acceptable and if i could belabor that point for one moment we didn't want anyone to continue debating in the tournament under the guise that that behavior was somehow acceptable and that's what happens if the tournament doesn't say hey something inappropriate happened in this last round we're not going to stand for it we condemn that behavior it's against our policies and if it happens again with these people or if it continues we you will risk being removed from the tournament that's the type of support uh that a tournament should offer uh to students who make these sort of complaints all right then well great job keep giving them hell and maybe senator tim scott is watching and realize that there's still racism in america thanks i appreciate it doc thanks a lot okay take care thank you all right thank you very much all right folks let's go to illinois where students had to evacuate illinois high school after a caller threatened to blow it up if the track coach did not lose her job for making a racist remark to a black student during practice the girl's p.e teacher and track coach at marion high school sarah baker allegedly called one of her 15-year-old runners a black barefooted african from the third world protesters march of the school demanding baker's firing baker is now on paid leave in pennsylvania a school of silent about the trial of derek chovan has upset many parents and students a teacher asked students 10 questions about the case here are some examples should sheldon have been charged with murder if he did not directly kill him because there was an amount of drugs in his system that then affected his heart another question chauvin did not follow protocol and had a knee on floyd's neck for way longer than necessary what was resisting arrest so why is chovin still considered breaking the law through negligence explain if you don't know what negligence is then look up the word students who felt uncomfortable were given an alternative assignment the archdiocese of philadelphia released a statement saying in part school administration immediately communicated with those families after reviewing the assignment in question to apologize and discuss a plan of action moving forward to address the concerns those families with whom school administration was in contact expressed that they were pleased with the plan resolution really that's how we roll in xavier i mean this is just ridiculous i mean calling someone african booty scratcher basically in one instance you have another instance that misapplies the facts and they hear what the jury found in order to press upon students to be able to to teach them something um that's not true nelson mandela said that you can't no child is born hating they have to be taught to hate and they have to be taught to love and so educational institutions are the first place that people learn to be able to get along with each other and find more about the outside world and if you're fostering hate in the educational environment why are you teaching in the first place disgusting brittany absolutely i agree with everything that was just said you know the violence that happens at these schools at the hands of these ignorant and racist teachers um is rampant and constantly ongoing and to me roland it's really not just about the teachers there's a larger issue with the with the administration and possibly with many of these school districts what's scary is what is the screening process that allows folks with these types of beliefs and ideologies to get hired in the first place and do this type of psychological damage you know and certainly you know uh catholic schools are not exempt from this type of behavior you know i've been to a catholic school myself i was told all types of things i'm only getting into college because of affirmative action we could they couldn't play rap music at our prom uh because the music was inappropriate i mean these things have been going on and i was in high school how long ago so this is an ongoing problem um not just with the teachers but with the schools themselves with the school district hey folks the man whose face went viral from the white nationalist rally in charlottesville virginia is out of a job the nevada national guard expelled 24-year-old peter cetanovich after uncovering his extremist affiliations a defense department background check revealed the fbi open investigation into his participation in the violent charlottesville rally that resulted in one death of 19 injuries a satanic could not obtain a security clearance and as a result he got expelled from the armed forces i'm i'm so sorry i'm so sorry he lost his job no i'm not speaking of losing a job folks this crazy ass white woman in virginia caught on video harassing her black neighbor calling her not the right color she lost her job too roll it they're so crassy like you happen watch me handle it honey [Music] [Music] the black woman being yelled at says the woman has called the police on her before to search her home for drugs because she assumed good could not afford a house and the police did did search her home good also says the incident was part of an ongoing problem due to their children not getting along the woman was fired from her job at a local food bank i i just keep saying brittany look if all these crazy white people they want to keep back in the fool we could end black unemployment every time they get fired black people should show up in mass applying for a job at their job roland i know that's right um i'm just glad they're getting fired left and right these folks can't keep their jobs we're gonna pull out a camera we're gonna record you we're gonna catch you we're gonna find you and we're gonna hold you accountable because yeah these these folks are out of control every other time we turn around there's some crazy foolishness happening and on her property too she this woman had the audacity to come on her property her property i don't get uh xavier how you gonna call a cop say you don't think i can afford the house so search my house for drugs oh hell no y'all ain't getting in the house she should have came out and says you about to lose your job i i think that it's it's for they saw a president that did whatever he wanted and was rewarded for it and they think they can all be little versions of donald trump's too uh you don't have the same amount of money as him or the amount of power you'll lose your job yeah it's not going to work out well for you on that one all right folks uh uh we told you if you go to our facebook page you can watch the conversation between jeanetta b cole and tiffany lofton monday great discussion ambassador andrew young and the co-founder of black voters matter cliff albright is a sneak peek hopefully put another nail in the car for the racism you talk about awakening america it led to a historic summer of protest [Music] i hope our younger generation don't 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