Pass QA Engineer interview and get job 3 weeks after lay off

Unfortunately today I was laid off how much you think you are worth 100K and you are asking for Less I've just been solved 2,000 people applied for this job I'm like oh my God I'm just one of 2,000 so out of 10 people only two were left the girl who I've met at the beach they just like driving a tank that's what happened to me get laid off as the QA automation engineer get a job offer 3 weeks after stop by in Santa Monica during my workout and say hey sergy I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your YouTube videos publicly because 3 weeks after I got laid off I was watching your videos and I was able to land the job offer very quickly thanks to your advices plus I got much more money that I was asking for originally well this is not me randomly coming up with the this is a story of Anna the Ukrainian girl who I have randomly met in Santa Monica during the workout Saturday mornings 7:00 a.m. and she she just stopped by and say thank you she said thank you thank you for for sharing your amazing videos I've learned a lot and I was able to land a job I'm not here to take a credit of her getting a job offer based on the free videos you guys are watching but I'm here to share her story her success story and to show you what you can how you can really use free knowledge that you're getting from our YouTube channel and from any of the YouTube channels you can learn quite a lot and you can make much more money if you are watching right videos and if you are learning a lot of useful information well let me stop right here and interview Anna so you would hear exact questions she answers to which she learn from us let me ask her how did she pass an interview and how the hell did she get laid off anyways thank you guys for watching this video if you are enjoying it so far don't forget to hit that big fat thumb up button below also subscribe to our Channel And subscribe to our Instagram and telegram communities let's get started hey an and Welcome to our podcast hey everyone heing all right it's a time time for me to introduce Anna the girl who I've met at the beach she just went you know what actually let's have her introduce herself first and then she will tell a story how we met at the beach that's right hi everyone my name is Anna uh like I'll be introducing myself like I doing professional interviews right so I'm QA automation engineer and that's right I met sergy on the beach I met you on the beach during our Ukrainian workout session so we have yeah we have a big Community here and every Saturday at 7: a.m. we in La there we go yeah I forget that people from different countries are watching this video so yeah we have um Ukrainian workout sessions every Saturday on at 7: a.m. on in Santa Monica beach so uh I met met sergy there and I wanted to thank him for his videos on YouTube uh that helped me a lot in my job search and we are coming there so speak more about that awesome we'll talk more about it uh great in this case do you do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself where are you from ex except your t-shirt that clearly tells us that you're a Ukrainian right mine as well yeah I'm originally from Ukraine uh I've been living in the United States for over seven years now and I'm a QA automation engineer so I've been working with automation for four and a half years now and of course I started from manual like everybody that's cool that's cool not like everybody I can tell you that there are some exceptions to the rule yep but that's what happened to me that's why sure I think like 50% of our students are starting with the QA automation first really yeah that's probably the latest Trend because back in my day it was not like that kind of like upgraded I think since the beginning it was like that cuz first for actually First Student of mine he went for Q automation position and the second one Georgie I think he got the job and he was already doing automation as so he was both manual and automation you know now I mean um now in my company in my new company I have manuals QA whom I was asked to teach automation so she can catch up I'm creating U framework and teaching her so she can catch up and now we move to another project and I will tell you in my previous company I we didn't have manuals at all where all automation I did partly manual a little bit and now I understand so it's a different approach to testing at all and so hard for me to explain to her the approach so you just think differently mhm differently it's like the opposite that's why it doesn't surprise me that some people just start with automation now I understand it so yeah yep yep awesome in this case so uh you are Anna from Ukraine you we're living in Los Angeles you got four years of experience in QA manual and automation what technologies have you used throughout your life automation Technologies my uh big mistake as I see it right now I started learning Automation and in fact working my first project uh was selenium on Java so the mistake is Java obviously the mistake is jav tell tell us in the comments if it's a mistake or not right so there is no nothing wrong with Java it's a beautiful amazing complex heavy language but it's a little bit too complex and too heavy for QA automation so it's better to use something easier more convenient and more flexible something like javasript so life guided me the right direction in fact so I was applying for my my job for my first real job I I was on a contract with a little project with Java and selenium and then I was applying for a full-time job and uh I was hired by a company that was using Puppeteer on JavaScript and I'm like guys I'm on Java they said you will pick it up it will be fine and years later looking back I realized how fortunate I was that I was hired by this company that I switched to JavaScript so how much easier in my life became with this language and I'm thinking why would I ever pick Java for automation from the beginning but I didn't know any better so I was I was sticking to one boot camp and that's what they used so I didn't know any better right and back in the day when I started learning automation I didn't know about uh your school mhm so probably it was not on the market yet or maybe which year was it uh 201 17 or 18 18 my guess probably like three friends of mine have heard of my schol right and I was not your friend back then so unfortunately right so yeah so I uh picked another boot camp uh and yeah it was Java not was not worth it honestly all right guys now it's your turn tell us is it worth it tell us if you are enjoying writing Java on selenium or whichever language just in my opinion writing test Automation in in Java is just like driving a tank to the to get groceries from the store there is no reason to do so because there are lighter Vehicles there are electric cars there are regular gas cars there are cards yeah exactly there are cards there are bicycles you can grab down and just ride it for a couple of minutes you don't have to ride a tank to the grocery store so Java is very heavy language it's a language that you used to uh to program microwaves uh pretty much all of the appliances I would say that that's the real use of it but you you could also use build a website you could build a test automation Frameworks y but you can use something much lighter python JavaScript exctly let me know what you think exactly and uh I I would tell you that I'm like fresh out of the job market and the absolute majority of the positions are open for JavaScript in QA cheers right so part of of them are still I I I think I saw just a couple of them on Java so I look for Java got it interesting interesting okay well so four years experience do you prefer JavaScript uh so we've met at the beach and you stopped by can you can you describe it and can you tell can you tell us why do people Gather in Santa Monica Saturday 700 a.m. 7 a.m. right why in the world they would wake up so early to work out obviously so we go there uh to get together and work out and then after that we have our little networking session we go to some coffee shop and we talk to each other we share each other's experiences and professional skills and whatnot so there was an initiative When U we created a big uh spreadsheet where everybody uh puts the information about uh the business we're doing so we can be helpful to each other well seriously I didn't see that right it it was pinned uh earlier right right so people were like oh my God you are like a barber I was looking for a barber so yeah we want to help each other and use each other's Services uh besides like everything that uh is done by ukrainians is done perfectly nicely and in the highest quality so that's another thing about it and uh I attended one of your big events um inter U Remind Me ukra speaking it conference in Los Los Angeles it was a big event it was a big success uh success and uh uh back in the day when that con convention took place I was actually not looking for a job m i was uh in there to support Ukrainian Community to uh see and talk to Ukrainian software engineers and my peers like QA people uh just for that mhm but uh I would suggest that if even if you are guys not in the market you still go and attend those events online on site on site is much better of course uh because that's how you keep yourself up to date and um I will tell my story later I was laid off so if something like that happens to you and it can happen to anyone you will be ready not like me because I was my resume was way behind and everything else so during that convention uh there were several speakers and uh I liked it a lot so I got a lot of useful links a lot of useful information so uh and I met uh you there for the first time so I knew who sergy was so I knew what he was doing and uh when time came and I needed to go on the job market I already knew what to search like behavioral part and some technical aspects I would recommend your videos MH uh on YouTube because they are uh short enough and very up to the point so very very useful uh to to hear how people answer the questions that might seem obvious but they actually might create problem for you in the interview don't don't neglect those behavioral Parts yeah I'm going to attach a link right there to our a couple of our interviews well mock interviews right I could call them mock I could I would probably call them interview discussions because we get three experienced people in the QA world and we answer interview questions for the manual QA and QA automation positions and we discuss them and tell and share our opinions what would be the better if there is a better way to answer the question and how would I answer the question and like people are bringing in their expertise so those people uh they all wear to those interviews uh they made mistakes they did good uh and they share their experience so oh here is where I could have done better and here is I did that and they liked it and they hired me something like that it's very very useful very very good to know before you go yep yep all right let's roll back so we have a list of people that share our businesses uh and then we go to cafes after the workouts right so I decided to stop by and thank uh sergy for his videos that helped me a lot and in fact uh I used one of the tricks I would say that he is he shared in one of his videos and I believe it helped me a lot interesting tell tell us about the tricks you learned from I will so I knew uh again from Ukrainian meetups professional meetups that uh like the interviewers tend to ask more or less the same pool of questions it's just a big pool right and some of those questions that they like most are like can you please tell us about the conflict situation in your team and how you resolved it and I'm like sitting there and I'm trying to think what if they ask me what would I say and I'm thinking oh my God I really never had any conflict situation in my team probably because I was the only QA on the team maybe maybe because I had a excellent perfect team but for some reason and I'm like but if they ask me they expect to hear something because they want to see uh your personality how you resolve conflicts and you say no I didn't have it so it's kind of doesn't sound right to me and I'm like oh my God oh my God should I like make up a conflict or something and that was my problem and uh you in one of your interview like mock interviews or something you read the question and your uh QA people like who were uh interviewed by you they gave their options like what would they say and then you say something like well I never had it in my experience but if I would I would say something like this or I would do something like this and I'm like that's a perfect like work around right so if you don't know what to say if you didn't have uh something like they ask in your experience uh don't make up uh don't tell lies uh because it's obvious like when yeah it's it's very very obvious and it's like kind of very awkward you don't want to do that you just imagine if you had like if I had a conflict I would do this I would go there I would talk to that person I would try this and that same thing with technical Parts in fact same uh template so they ask you something and you didn't have it right uh like remember something like when you used the new technologies and you didn't use new technology but you say that if I had to use new technology I would go there like to Google I would uh take this course that course and I would just Master this technology and implement it in my job something like that never say like I don't know I I I I haven't used it I don't know so it's it's not goodh and don't lie so this is a actually excellent way to say things in between right yeah 100% agree the best way to go for an interview is not to lie because the best way is to be honest because if you are not honest if you're lying it's very easy to catch that as Anna just said that's true and it's obvious for those people who are interviewing you uh they have experience right so tons of people hundreds probably went through them before you came in so it's better not to lie all right so that was a good one but I remember you said something during the breakfast about a money oh yeah that's uh another thing uh like uh in our mentality uh like Ukrainian people often times not always but with some exceptions of course but we are very shy to talk about money so we are very shy to ask for money raise in the company we working for to ask for promotion and uh we tend to rather be on the Lower Side than on the higher side and it is not right and we also don't uh advertise ourselves right we are like humble more humble that's how we are raised that's part of our culture however it doesn't exactly work like that here in the United States and this is something to learn and uh this is actually a skill so you can learn to present yourself in the interview to speak about yourself about your they're interested in what you achieved in what you did in what you implement implemented not so don't say something like uh so I worked for a team and my team did the I did this I did that I implemented this I introduced this to the company something like that and about the money so so one of the very good videos maybe you can share the link uh right there right uh so uh you told um it's actually you can treat it as an instruction so there is always a range for your skill set right for your experience there is always a range bottom part and upper part and you told that it's better always better to go with the upper part because worst case scenario they will just like discount it a little bit but if you ask lower part nobody will I mean it's not likely that somebody will go higher it doesn't matter yeah it doesn't matter really if you will tell them that you want less money that they offer if they don't like you it doesn't matter how much you ask for exactly exactly and uh the other thing that like my insight from uh people I was was talking to and uh videos I was watching so uh it kind of looks weird if you have uh a good skill said uh years of experience and you are asking for less it's an iffy situation and they think that something is wrong with this person why does she or he goes so low so probably he's not that professional so don't go super high but be reasonably High yeah so just uh I don't know just like uh think about the um reasonable range and stick to the upper yeah level that's just it and then it's negotiable so they started bargaining with you and this another skill that uh I didn't possess so I had to like oh my God like oh we didn't really have this money but uh let's try and maybe we have bonuses so that that's a strategy so before you go in the job market just think about uh your level right stick to the upper part and be confident don't like look like down or like oh I want this and I don't know I'm not sure be confident be uh calm and don't stress just tell them how much you think you are worth that's it Y and if they really like you they will find that money believe me because they very normally they are flexible right they don't tell you they give the fork and if you see most of the positions have ridiculous Forks like my position had a fork uh from something I don't exactly remember it was 64 or 84 to 146 wow so it's like for the same position yeah that's a range that's a range it's quite a range yeah so you can tell that they're trying their aim is to make it low as low as possible and your quality to be as high as possible right and your aim is to get as much as possible obviously every around yeah so you have to meet somewhere in the middle and it's better for you if you meet somewhere like on the upper level exactly exactly so and nobody will do this job for you so you have to bargain and you have to talk to them about it yes and I will add my own story back in 2015 something like that when I was getting my job one of my jobs I remember I've been working for the small company I enjoyed it a lot and the bigger company reached out to me they were like hey do you want to come for interview like your profile you seem to be a good fit for a new position for another position we are uh trying to cover here I was like well let me go through an interview since they're offering me uh let me let me just give it a shot and I did I did give it a shot I gave it a shot and then actually got a job offer and I I did not it was the first time in my life when someone would would reach out to me and offer me a job so you were not actually in Market I was looking for a job yeah I was not a market at all and they reached out to me and I by that time I was making $80,000 per year back in 2015 16 it was one of my first jobs and when they asked me hey how much do you want I'm like oh wow well honestly I don't want to leave my company so I'm going to ask them for much more than I'm making now and I told him well I'm making 95 now so I would like to get at least $100,000 bling is yeah it helps it helps I mean about these things I'm not I'm not I don't consider it lying I consider it just negotiating sell it's a strategy right yeah and I told them uh I'm making 95 now and I would like to get a 100 they're like do you make it yeah and honestly I I said it that way because I did not want to get a job I wanted to give them as high rent I wanted to ask them for as as much money as they will not be able to give me so I could stick to my comfortable position and I would never leave it and don't feel bad about like exactly leaving good people cuz I was working with awesome team I did not want to leave them he need a reason to stay right exactly so I told them 100K they're like sure easy I was like what the hell is going on $100,000 am I worth it and well they gave me HK and uh they told me think about it I was like okay so I went to my manager I was like dude you know what I was not planning to leave but the company reached out to me and they gave me 100k and I don't know what to do now and the guy was like hold on do not accept that offer yeah give me an hour so he comes back in an hour he's like okay you've been working with us for a while we like you a lot you're part of our tag family of our company of our startup so we would like to offer you a raise pretty much a counter offer as it usually happens and they gave me $92,000 because we're a family you know we would like to it's a 12% raise or something like that so we would like to get you more money big raise like within one company exactly 12% it's a lot very R lot the thing is United States you don't get 20% or more raise with within the same company but if you get another job offer you can get that yeah you can get I will tell my story later yeah yeah yeah so they offered so the guy offered me 92k so what I was like well that's pretty much on the edge I don't I don't want to leave this company but 100K sounds really good you you know what I'm probably going to stick stick to my company so what I going to do I going to tell the other company that my company gave me $105,000 so I could stay with them and they were like hold on a second give me an hour I'm going to call you back they called me back in one hour and they said okay we cannot give you more but we can match your offer we can give you $15,000 but we have technology so they still try to advertise themselves yeah yeah but as you as you said you wanted to learn new technologies you wanted to develop you can grow a lot we're a bigger company we're a larger company I was like damn it you know what I guess the I've just been sold right and so I accepted that offer for $105,000 so uh the conclusion of this story is don't be shy ask for more that you think you worth because in their opinion you might worth more you never know what is your actual value and I think you're honestly Priceless and in fact I will share my story now so I failed this part in fact so I was uh before before I went in the market I talked to some experts again from our Ukrainian Community some people uh actually Q manager I talk to Q manager and I say hey I wasn't in the I haven't been in the market for years now I don't know the situation right now can you please can I share with you my skill set and my experience so you can give me like approximate amount that I'm worth right now in this market and he did and when uh this HR person from this company asked me about my expectation like compensation expectations I it it works like uh like like uh so she asks you and in that moment uh some pattern works in your mind and you don't do what you were instructed to right and I didn't tell the lower part but I called like I I said the average more or less in this Fork that I was having and she's like oh it's a little bit too high we don't have this money but they were going with me from stage to Stage to stage of the interview and I'm like thinking on the third stage what I was passing and passing and passing like okay she knows I'm expecting this amount of money and she still goes with me saying they don't have enough she knows I will not take less yeah so probably they do have it and for some reason they just uh it's their strategy so I will have my strategy and then I was about to get another job offer and my surprise was when uh she called me to share that they have great news for me it's a job offer and she said uh that we um discussed it with the hiring manager and uh depending and not depending like basing on your um skill set and experience uh we decided that your compensation rate will be this and it's more than they ask it's like 10,000 more wow and I'm like and then I'm thinking what if I asked even more exactly so I would probably get more mhm so but that was my first time so I didn't exactly super failed because I didn't go low but I still go went like average level I should have gone you've succeeded I can say you succeeded right but uh this is something I'm sharing with you guys because uh just don't be like me go a little higher yeah worst case scenario if they love you and they see that they don't match their budget with your level they will try and negotiate with you and they can you can always go lower right once you start negotiating you can always go lower and uh the thing that you mentioned within one company it's very hard to get a dramatic raise M uh but when you change companies like in my case I have basically the same position so my position and my uh job description is basically the same but I got uh I don't know the exact number but it's over it's it's very close to 50% raise it's over 40% raise 40% raise right over 40% raise in fact so that's what happens when you change the companies when you go out in the market and that's why I decided probably it's a smart uh strategy don't like stick to your comfort zone and like go out of this world I'm comfortable with my job I don't do anything I was like that now I'm not because uh just keep your eyes open keep your LinkedIn profile updated and just uh look at those positions you never know something can show up and uh you might uh so don't miss out on opportunities exactly smart yep yep I like this conversation a lot we're talking about money money everyone's going to enjoy that awesome so we talk about money so you answered two questions uh you actually have told us about two questions you've learned from my videos okay perfect now let's talk about your experience okay you've recently been laid off and then after watching those videos after watching other people's videos you found a job can you described that process of being laid off and can you tell us Well's start with that one yeah it was a little uh it was a big surprise in fact so here in America it's a little less Humane than back in Ukraine I would say I was never it was my first uh experience of being laid off in my whole career however I heard from people in Ukraine that uh normally when they lay off they give you a notice and you pass uh all your uh project to another person so it's it's a process it's it's a it's time right so you can throw a party for your peers right like to say bye and thank you not here if you leave on your own then you can do that you leave a notice but if they lay you off it happens within 10 minutes or like 15 minutes I had a meeting they thanked me for uh my job for my input they mentioned that uh I'm being laid off not because of my low performance but because the financial problems in the company you never know if they're telling you the truth you never know they here they don't necessarily tell you how bad you are or like inappropriate for the company they always tell you good things with a smile on their face uh but you understand that it's bad so I was insecure I was like oh my god did I do but I just finished a successful project and it was a success yeah we just had a meeting I got a raise it was like tiny but it still was a raise yeah and my um my uh team lead set new goals for me nothing was so I didn't feel I didn't feel it coming I didn't see it coming because everything was good so if I failed if I made some mistake I would think oh my God oh my God but no everything was so good so and um uh big boss when he told me that he says okay so your account will be shut off as of now this is HR girl she will tell you what to I'm like so can I tell bye to the team no he and I need to go so uh he's done he's gone and she told me about the Seance package and all the stuff and when I hang up with her I try to uh to message in slack for my team like B buy or something doesn't work my email doesn't work so I can't say bye and I'm sitting there shocked and then um popup from LinkedIn shows up on my phone M and I see that my head of development uh makes a post where he says that unfortunately today I was laid off together with my whole team and he mentions all of us so out of 10 people only two were left and eight were gone and they're very good professionals so I made a little better I made a lot I felt a lot better because I realized that they were uh not say I mean they were um what were what they were saying about uh the reason of this uh was true so it's not due to the performance it's du due to something that was going on in the company so they merged two or three teams in one team and they leted off the people so and uh then I'm like okay so it's nothing wrong with me or with them it's just the process so it seemed a little inhumane and later I uh advised HR your American HR and I say hey uh can you help me can you just tell me if it's a normal practice because I'll be getting new jobs I want to know if it's normal she says it's absolutely normal and many companies uh don't even say don't even like do this shout out like oh thank you for being a great member of the team and stuff they would just like shut you off you come to the office and you can't you're use your car y so uh unfortunately she said I don't like it it doesn't sound and look professional or good or respectful but it is the way it is so we cannot we just accept the rules and this is um a part of uh at will uh uh job agreement yep and if I got it right most of job Agreements are at will right yeah exactly at will means that uh you whether it's you or the employer you can uh stop the employment stop your job agreement at any point without any reason so you can leave the company at any point if you want but they can do the same to you kind of fair but can be extreme yeah I like it a lot actually that you can it's just like in a relationship you you can live any if you're not happy either side can live yeah and you have to I mean a lot of people um I don't think it's like uh maybe now it's not so relevant but a lot of people back in Ukraine because the situation on job market like it's very hard to get a good job and you stick to your good job and you love your good job you uh stick to people uh you don't want to leave the company uh here it's a little different just uh don't do that it's a business it's business it's about money so if the company doesn't want you it's not because you are bad it's because maybe you're too expensive for them yep maybe you invested uh uh your uh whatever you could professionally I mean to their team and then they figure that somebody can do the same job but they are worthless so it's business yeah and they are getting this money so and you go to a different country company it's it's normal so it's kind of like a little bit different type of mentality so true so true all right now do you w to tell us so You' got laid off how long did it take you to find the next job and how did you look for it so I got laid off and uh it was in the middle of summer and I was told by Good People good people that oh oh Who whoo it's impossible probably you have to wait till fall it's it's the first time to look for the job I mean you can yep it's the best time to look for the job I was told it's the worst uh like uh August is like a dead season nobody everybody's on vacation everybody's uh in Hawaii uh sunbathing not thinking about new uh positions however maybe uh partly it's true maybe but I know that uh regardless of the Season uh the situation on the market is not like super perfect right now because of uh like several fact factors in fact uh one of them is that a lot of bigger companies like Disney like Facebook laid off a lot of Highly qualified people so it's a lot of competition in the market a lot a lot of applicants you can see like in Linkin like thousands literally thousands of people applied for the job you don't know how far they went but they at least applied right yeah and you're like oh my God I will be like 1,867 applicant for this position but don't think about that because some uh some of those people just clicked and didn't go any further right and it counts clicks right or no uh I'm not sure they'll question to LinkedIn developers if you guys have a connections to them please ask them what logic did they apply does it count when you just clicked it actually did not apply for it or did you actually have to apply for it in order for your for the account to increase by one yeah that's true so uh uh going back to the situation on the market so I apply the strategy of like aggressive applying what does it mean so you apply to everything that is relative that relatively fits your qualifications so even if it's not a job of your dream even if it's a little uh on the higher level a little on the lower level you just keep applying like crazy literally because uh the conversion is what's more what's important so if you apply to 1,000 positions you will get like 50 feedbacks let's say I'm just like imagining right and if you apply to 500 you will get 10 so it's get it's better to get 50 uh and uh I was very disappointed but I was ready for that because I uh heard I again uh I was going to a lot of meetups professional meetups and I was already aware that right now the process is a little different from what I uh Used to Know back in the day so right now it takes them longer to get back to you and they take more time uh for the whole interview procedure yeah so everything is much longer so I was ready for that but it's a little disappointing like when you apply apply apply and nobody even calls you mhm like a week passed by and you are applying like 50 positions a day and it's zero calls and you're like oh my God and my sance package covers two months yep yep and you're like blood think about that you're applying for weeks you're getting no calls back they will give you call just wait right and uh again if if not for those meetups I would Panic literally because that's not what I remember I remember I was bombarded by calls I don't want to speak about the quality of those contacts most like 90% of them were scamming basically but still there was a feedback and now zero feedback and they like oh my God but I was ready I knew it's it goes slow and then after the first week I started getting uh feedbacks slowly and this company in fact was one of the first and they if I'm not mistaken they they called me back 3 days after I sent my application who that's quick and they started very quick but I didn't uh so I I was tracing back to me applying specifically for this position so I applied for this position they got back to me three or four days something less than a week and um the HR liked me a lot and it was an HR from the company not third body and then she goes all right let's move you to the technical interview I'm like oh my God technical like like the first stage technical I was not told it will be technical in my meetups I was told it will be behavioral but that's how it goes it differs from company to company so uh I passed the technical interview then I had uh two more behavioral interviews one of them was kind of Behavioral but it in fact it was Tech um technical without just live coding there was an interview with hiring manager and he went into the deepest detail of how it worked with my previous company the processes the languages everything do you remember those questions uh part of them he was uh so they uh have like a gray uh field in accessibility and they were very excited that I uh automated accessibility test cases and my company in a previous company uh it was a very very big part of our job accessibility and then he asked about the procedures like in what language did you write your use cases your team so and stuff like that yeah very specific yeah quick question about accessibility how do you automate accessibility testing uh we automated uh so um we used the Puppeteer on JavaScript framework and just the same way as you automate everything it's like basically uh keyboard navigation right so accessibility testing is you can uh press Tab and uh the focus moves to where you need it to move right uh you can press escape and you go out of the side frame something like that and you just automate this stepbystep use case just just like you do for everything else and uh you automate um you verify uh if the accessibility tags like area labels and other stuff is in there sometimes they are needed got it that sounds fairly easy so you pretty much it's not difficult tab verify Focus tab this keyboard navigation yes yep y key navigation it's uh like a space bar uh tab uh Arrow uh moving arrows like you're moving Focus from thing to thing and uh yeah and accessibility tags in HTML oh that's cool I never knew how it's done I was like well one day I will learn maybe it's difficult and there is a manual part to it but we almost never did that so I was working on Mac so I did voice over so basically when you uh use application and you have this voice over uh on so you here and uh of course you are veryify that it uh the voice over guides you correctly through each and every step when you're using application so you got this good prompts just just that so they were excited about that then he asked very specific questions about the procedures in the team you were reporting to uh like if you had some challenge uh how you were cooperating with your developers was it like a direct uh messaging or a calling or did you have to make appointments or like whatever uh then he asked about uh this funny question a lot of people ask uh if your developers were uh coding in the same language as us no I mean part of them yes but part of them no and uh because I was working with backend and front end developers of course they were using different language yeah so then he asked about uh the framework can can I stop you for a second yep can you elaborate on if we need to use same language for the develop and a q no not necessarily I mean unless your team is very specific about it but it it you are inde you work independently this uh you know uh this uh story when they tell you stories about how developers will be helping you out with your coding it's uh not exactly true and you cannot assume they will you cannot even expect they will they're not supposed to you are not helping uh the janitor in your office or you're not helping uh I don't know your product managers right you are doing your job they are doing their job you are completely independent doesn't matter in what language your testing framework it's nice to be in the same language with your QA peers because you can help each other out that's a fact right so you it's nice to use the same language and the same framework but uh not with your developers it's not necessary at all I ful agree with that let us know what you guys think in the comments below because I do know that some people think you should use the same language as she said that devs will be helping you out or maybe even you will be helping your devs as some people do but I don't think that's the case and I never never told anyone that they should use same language maybe it's for deaths they are more involved right maybe that's maybe it works for Zs but for C automation people um yeah not in my experience yeah you if you're as that you would yeah it depends I I see it would be more convenient for you to know only one for example if you learn jazz you could do both in a back end and front end you could also do test automation but in most cases in most cases they don't have the same language and if they will I guess it would be comfortable yep yeah so yeah it's not necessary and most of the companies most of hiring man managers they realize it yeah yeah so makes sense all right and the next so you walked us through some the interview questions were there any other interesting interview questions cuz people who are watching our videos are going to be mostly interested about an interview that you went through and about the questions that you got and how did you answer them so that they could get a job offered in a way that you got a job offer right so my biggest fear and I would call it fear was technical interview because um again the procedure is very different right now from what it used to be uh back in the day I got my previous job at the the beginning of lockdown and it was uh whiteboard test so they ask you a couple selectors you put them on whiteboard something easy not even the functions or anything just like easy stuff and a couple like verbal we just like discussed something uh right now it's live coding so basically you open your IDE and you are coding while the interviewer is basically watching you doing that and I was extremely uncomfortable with that so I don't like people watching me I'm like oh my God if I if I need to like uh I put something and it's not smart I need to remove it and I don't want him to see that I made a mistake or I didn't I don't want him to see that but uh again this it's the rule you have to accept this is how it works and uh to be honest those interviewers at least in my experience they are not like those monsters that want to destroy you and point out how you are like how bad youing yeah at doing what you're doing no they in fact want to help you and I will share right now my wonderful experience so uh during this live coding session most of uh the questions the challenges are about arrays uh all the operations with arrays and functions so you are basically writing simple functions and they don't expect you to know your language on the development level you are not a developer otherwise you would be a developer right so it's a lower level of uh knowing the language and respectively the challenges are lower level so they're not super difficult they are uh like beginner to intermediate not higher so they are very feasible to resolve and uh um it was like 30 minutes for these technical questions uh I resolved two of them he liked it and then the third one uh was a little challenging and he says oh we don't have a lot of time but maybe you can show me your logic and they like it when you are doing it and kind of you are talking you say okay I would do this and that I would try this and that and um then I see it doesn't work out and I see that I already go very complex I already have six lines of code and I realize that the solution should be very simple and I'm missing it and I'm stressed because the time is running out and then he goes um he goes okay let me help you out I'm like okay it says have you heard about this function I don't remember what was the function already I like I say no I I don't know this function uh I say but I know what I do if I don't know something he says so what do you do and I say I decided to be very um very very flexible and very very uh considerate about Chad GPD because I know a lot of companies don't use it for security reasons I say okay if it's for my studies I do CHP but if if it's for my professional um stuff I use Google he says yeah but don't use chat GPT I'm like Yay uh we cannot like they have a lot of regulations but go ahead use Google I said can I like in the interview he say yeah go ahead so I go on Google I type in this function I uh go on SEC overflow I guess uh I pick this function and I adjust it I put it into my solution and I'm like boom boom boom it's done so and he was happy so I passed Yeah so basically what they want to do they not like uh those evil professors in your University right like uh yeah having something bad on their mind uh they want to see how you actually will perform exactly when you work so there will be a lot of stuff you don't know and you don't have to know everything they want to see what you do when you don't know how you uh fix the problem right so you go in Internet you find it and it was important for him to see that I picked that function and I put it in my solution and it worked that's all he needed to know yeah and um yeah so don't be uh shy to know yeah that to to tell them that uh well I don't know this technology or this function anything uh but I know what to do right so I know where to get this uh information and I know how to learn it and implement it so that's what they would to know in fact yeah that makes sense as the Q manager and engineering manager in the past that's the main thing I wanted to see how people number one how do they think number two how do they talk and communicate exactly and there is one more uh tip so uh sometimes even with developers I heard it during the meetups uh so if you don't exactly know how to write this code you can at least it's better than to say no I don't know it's better to give them your logic so you would say that okay I would do this I would put this into a variable I would uh use probably this function and this function it will lead me to this and then I will have this so at least they see your logic and it works a lot of times even if you don't know right now or if you don't have time right now to put it into actual code just do this fake fake code I don't know like show yep mhm y exactly that makes sense and by the way I've just remember that one of our YouTube Watchers have recently commented below the video that he also watched a lot of my videos and he got a job and he was very thankful to me yeah right he wanted to stay lowkey he's from Los Angeles but he did not want to come on a video but he he was just thankful in the comments maybe one day he will come and share experience come over I'm here in north northern part of Santa Monica Hotel going to record you in this studio great all right let's keep going so thank you you've shared a lot of good points from the interview a lot of um a lot of things that people could find useful uh now let me ask you couple more questions before I let you go question number one how happy are you with your current salary I am very happy I increased my salary for over 40% of course I'm happy awesome uh anything you would have you would have you would think you want to change hold on let me rephrase it yes anything anything you would change if you would start your Q path again yes I would not work with sling but when I started we didn't have play I I loved Play Ride framework and this is something that I would change about my current job because they were cons selenium I kind of had to downgrade back and uh but it is what it is so yeah and I tried actually in fact I tried to talk uh to my team lead and I say so have you tried Play Ride what do you think about play right and he goes like I didn't like it I didn't like how they handle things and stuff but I think he didn't really uh try it enough I mean deeply enough because and right now I get I mean it's so annoying it's slow and I'm running like a little test and I'm like which one you talking about selenium selenium oh yeah and I'm like I was using puyer puyer was even quicker and it's a it's a gr it's a grandpa of playright right right so and it's so slow and I'm like okay okay I just have to get used to it so hopeful one day we'll move forward better framework yeah yeah two things about play right number one I remember that Andre lnko is the guy I think he was either a founder of um what do you call it creator of Puppeteer or he was one of the co-creators um in Google but then Microsoft pretty much bought him I S he changed his position to Microsoft and then I hear a lot more about paper like uh about playright I'm like paper I'm sorry play play right is pretty much a u what would you call that a like an upgraded version right not a drug but what what do you call the thing that the bodybuilders put in their muscles to to get the steroids steroids yeah so playright is a puppeteer on steroids right it's so convenient it has so many things in it already you don't have to an external Library so convenient so I'm hopeful I will I will talk to my manage manager team lead again about it later I just tried right now he's not very Cooperative but okay okay no problem sooner or later we will and by the way second thing about a playright you guys can check out the video link to which I'm going to live right here and also right below this video or podcast uh and I wanted to share that because play right is almost in some cases or in most cases is twice faster than Cyprus which is also one of the fastest Frameworks in the world it is very fast um and the thing is but one drawback there are not a lot of jobs with the playright right now exactly a lot of companies are switching to playright but not a lot of them have moved onto it already and looking for new Engineers couple of days ago I've looked at the LinkedIn and I've searched for playwright JavaScript and guess how many jobs I found seven seven okay and then I have I found two nice a couple months ago yeah yeah well it's getting better you can see it's how 100 200 it's new right so that the reason for that is that this framework is comparatively new so people are just like looking into it and starting switching so wa wait and see like in a year from now yeah and the Cyprus which we are teaching at codify which we are forced to teach at the Codi because uh i' I've done the same search in Cypress Cypress JavaScript with I found 1,177 jobs on the market on LinkedIn so Cypress is much more popular you can check out the npm trans page you will see this the playright is growing faster than Cyprus but Cypress is already far away from the playright probably playright will overplay it with time but not yet right it sounds very interesting playright will overplay that's why it's called like that nice uh okay and uh I'm going to ask you the last question what do you think was the mo well before the last question what do you think was the most useful skill that helped you to get the job so quickly after you've been laid off I think it's an approach of aggressive applying number one because I was uh in touch with my uh Team uh who were laid off with me and uh they Americans they're a little slower than us MH so so they were not as successful and not as quickly as me let me just correct it quickly so when she said amic's a little slower than us she did not mean to say that they're America's slower than no no no not mentally I mean they they uh act slower so they take their time to make uh decisions they apply for perfectly or close to perfectly tailored jobs which is probably the right is the best way the best way but it's uh longer so if you can afford look for a job like for half a year for a year that's the perfect way because you're not stressed right so you apply slowly you wait for the right opportunity you don't grab the first thing that's coming your way but in my situation and I know a lot of ukrainians do that you apply aggressively you want this fast conversion you want to see what's there it doesn't mean you grab the first yeah thing you have right but uh you have something going on you have some activity and uh I think that this approach helped a lot and then uh videos again you just guys watch videos uh over and over and over again so the uh don't underestimate behavioral part so even if you are automation watch uh yep watch the videos for uh many oqas because it's pretty much the same in in in terms of Behavioral in regards to behavioral part questions are the same and some of them are tricky so don't underestimate it uh know how to answer those questions correctly uh because they never ask something for no no reason right even if the question seems uh like silly to you it's asked for a reason and you have to give them uh profound answer that will make them happy right and another thing is that uh it's not only them interviewing you you know that right you're interviewing them as well so it's not like you're happy like uh anybody please take me please employ me no no no they have to fit you as well if you see that they are not a good fit for you for your personality for something you don't like it you just move move on you don't stick to them so just be relaxed don't stress and don't put the serious face it's my I mean I know that's my problem uh we are serious people we take it seriously and we have the serious faces they like it a little bit more like um make conversation just be relaxed talk y talk to the point don't tell them they your whole biography from the point when you were born when they ask you to tell about yourself you they mean your professional background and they mean the most recent like uh with the Highlight to most recent one right don't start when you were born when you were to elementary school nobody's interested in that some people do by the way some people start there so just be relaxed yep and um that's probably it I guess and don't underestimate behavioral um versus technical so yeah behavioral question will be will probably be the biggest part of all of your interviews regardless you go for ex exactly it's only one Technical and it's uh in my case it was four stages of interview it's only one Technical and three behavioral one of them was kind of with this technical Vibe but it was still behavioral so yeah it's important that makes sense all right and the last question what do you what do you think differentiated you from 800 or thousand people that were playing for the same position well I will tell you what I think from my perspective uh on each and every stage of this interview they were happy so happy when they figured that I was like an adequate person so that made me think uh that probably most of uh the applicants are inadequate professionally or as personalities I don't know uh on what level but they were so happy when they were like on the same page with you when they figured that you are kind of like know what you're talking about and you're a nice person and uh uh it made them so happy so I'm thinking like oh my God this HR probably have seen so many people who were like interesting like yeah you have to think about it this way when you see like 2,000 people applied for this job and like oh my God I'm just one of 2,000 HR sees it differently HR sees it like oh my God 2,000 people and only probably five of those people are qualified and I have to get through all these thousands to find those five people so uh don't be afraid of those numbers just still apply if you like the job and there is a big chance they will get that to you professional exactly and honestly those thousands of people that you see on LinkedIn applying for a job lately the amount of boot camps have increased significantly in the United States and all over the world they're making a lot of money they're putting advertisements all over the place so you would sign up for the course you would pay them the money and then I'm not sure if you'll be qualified but they you will try to apply for jobs and those two thou out of those 2,000 people I'm pretty sure that 1,900 are those graduates who never had a job who don't have experience and who cannot even talk about themsel in a very organized way so don't be afraid make sure that you have experience you have skills and you can talk you can communicate right if you got three of those you are sad just make sure to apply for a lot of jobs and even maybe to message recruiter and ask them some legit questions about a job or about the company or you could potentially show them what you can do before you apply for a job that's what I teach my students in a school yep I agree on and on this good not I want to say thank you so much Anna for joining us for sharing your story and hopefully we'll catch up with you maybe in a couple of months or year where you're going to get your lead or manager's position let's go have a good one three conclusions out of this video number one don't be shy number two get some workout and if you're in Los Angeles every Saturday 7 a.m. in Santa Monica parking lot number five I'll be there you will see green area with about 40 to 50 people a lot of them are actually working in it anyways and number three and the most important one 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Published: Thu Aug 31 2023