- You're from Israel?
- Yes. "I am a journalist
from the biggest Israeli newspaper "called Yedioth Ahronoth, "which means latest news. "I want to interview you
for its weekly magazine "that comes out every Saturday. "I am happy to be here. "Me and my friend can both feel
a lot of love from satsang family. "We are both very grateful for this. "As a journalist, I hope to bring
some of the beauty of this place "to the readers of my newspaper. "The first question is, what is your message, "is there something that is relevant
for everybody or only a few?" So, my message is for everybody. Everybody, not only humans,
but even the animals. And what is that message?
Know who you are. If I ask you, who you are,
you will either give me your name, or your physique, "I am a woman."
It is not that. When you sleep, you don't have a name and you don't have any sex. So find out who you are. And you're body only is in waking state. Maybe some other body when you dream. But when you are sleeping in a deep sleep,
who are you? So find out.
And you have to do it now. How do I do it when my mind is full
with a lot of distractions, to get to who am I exactly, to throw all 43 years that I lived? Mind may start. There is no difference between
mind and a thought. Tell me your mind
when there is no thought of something. And thought means anything of the past,
not the present. Can you tell me anything, any thought, which does not belong to the past, which belong to just this present? You're asking me to tell you? You're asking me if I can tell you right now? Yes, yes. Any thought that does not belong to the past. Excitement. Excitement also belongs to the past, because you would have been excited sometime in the past about some affair. Therefore, this is also past. "I am excited." So this experience
you have already had. Ask the child of one month, two months,
three months are you excited? He will laugh. So be innocent as the child is. He has no thought in the mind. But it is said
one should learn from the past, because he will not...
Sorry for my English. That he will not make the same mistakes
in the future. So what have we learnt from the past
so far in the world? What have we learnt from the past? We have to learn from this instant, this very instant that nobody has experienced. Everybody says,
'I did this thing, I was happy, I was in love with such and such person." And nothing can say
I am now in worse state. Therefore, I was speaking to this lady, just spend a quarter of a second just now,
means this instant. And that experience you did not have. What excitement could be there,
you have to find out. And you have to spend this little time,
little instant on you, during whole span of your life. Now do it and see what happens. You can, I think, very easily,
without any problem, you can spend quarter of a second, quarter of a second. Why to lose this time? And then, after, when you spend this thing, you will remain happy always. That I assure you
and I give you guarantee. "Is enlightenment something
that everybody can attain, "or is it something that only a few people
can realistically aspire for?" So, enlightenment is for everybody.
That's what I say. Why? You are not to make any practice, because what I say is that
you are already enlightened. You are not do any practice for this. You are already enlightened. And if you get something later on with practice, that means, this thing
you are going to get in future is already not there. What is not there now
will never be there any time in future, nor in the past. When you get anything with labour,
with the practice, so that result will become,
will depend on the labour, on your work, on your practice, on your sadhana,
not by your own self. So what you get from somewhere else will not be kept always with you. So, there are so many enlightened people
around us all the time? All are enlightened, but they do not know. They do not know, that is the trouble. Because they have been told by their parents, by their relatives, by their countrymen, that suffering is the nature of a man,
you have to suffer. They have been...
As a child they have been listening. And if you go to the church
the priest tell you, "Look at the Christ,
he is suffering on the cross." So everybody teaches you suffering. Even in the church they tell you
suffering is the best. So, it is only I who tell
there is no suffering. Body is not you. Let the body suffer,
after all it has to die, because it has appeared,
it will disappear sometime. But you think that you are a body. And even in the sleep you have no body. Actually, you don't have a body any time, this is only your imagination. Whatever you see, smell, taste
or hear or touch this is not real. So when my back hurts me, it's not real? There is no back when you sleep. Back is meant for somebody else. Not belong to you.
You are no back and no front. You must have heard from someone else, this is the back and this is the front. This is some trade is going on, some trade. Different people deal in different trades. Some people trade in the back
and some in the front. In Israel, they... Both ways? Only back ways. "Why do we need a master
if we want enlightenment?" So this, I don't say this. You don't need a master
to know that you are free. You don't need a master. In India there are many people here
and other places. That's what I tell them,
you don't need a master, because you're already happy, already free. And if you do not understand,
then you need a master. Are all those people here
don't know that they are free? Yes, yes. That is why they are here.
That's why they are here. And if you knew it in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, why should they have spent the air passage. Now, we are spending only just one hour and after one hour I will ask you
if you are free or not? And if you could have won freedom,
you should not travel. All these people are here,
there are many people from Israel are here. Actually, this Satsang Bhawan
is run by Israeli person. And from the beginning itself
I have been seeing the Israelis are very much interested in philosophy and knowing themselves. And once I was in Morocco, Casablanca, and somebody invited me
in a Japanese ashram, who was teaching, martial art, martial art they were teaching.
He was Japanese. So he invited me.
But then he wanted me to (meet) with one director of a school
who was from Israel. So he had one son, daughter, wife. So, I see, when they go to the breakfast they will not start eating
like Americans and Germans, immediately. They will prostrate before the food, as we do, as we do in India, touch the food with the head
and eat it afterwards, and giving something to all the members
of the family on the table. And on Saturday, they were
not using fork and spoon on Saturday. And this director was not using,
he was eating with the hand. And even going to college on foot, because car is made of iron, he doesn't use. And this also I believe,
because Saturday is Saturn, you have influence
and something can happen to you. So he will not use even the car. And we also don't touch iron on Saturdays. Yesterday. Do you have any explanation
to being of many Israeli's here and in other ashrams also? In Israel there are only five million people. And yet, there are here maybe ten percent
of the people here, and in other major ashrams in India
there are many Israelis? All the ashrams have Israelis. Even in Ramana ashram, I saw SS Cohen, who wrote a book on Sadhu Arunachala, Sadhu Arunagiri, SS Cohen. And another man also, who is now a teacher, is also a man from Israel, Andrew Cohen. He had gone to Israel also. So not in one ashram.
And in ashram of Nisargatta Maharaj also there were two, three people from Israel. So all these ashrams,
even in Muktananda Swami's ashram I see. So in all ashrams they are here.
They want freedom. They want light. They want wisdom. Therefore they're coming here in India and they are being more benefited than others. - Why?
- Tradition. They have been carrying this tradition
from ancient times, like we in India. All others are very recent religions, you see. A very recent religion, Christianity,
1995 (years ago). That's all. And all other religions, we also speak, and we also speak of thousands of years, at least 25,000 years ago, we speak of this. Even before that, when you have seen
Mohenjodaro and Harappa, which I have seen myself, and they were more civilized than even today. I have seen the buildings underground. Harappa in Punjab and Mohenjodaro in Sind, both in Pakistan now. So anybody can go and see,
now they have excavated, and now big town is there and I have seen.
Even the coins I picked up. When was there was the accident
of two trains in... Yes, Up Karachi mail and Down Lahore mail,
everybody died. And they dug the grave for mass burial. And they struck something
and then they found that, then a villagers were coming
and taking away these coins, gold coins. In that coin it was written something in Sanskrit. Now they dated it about ten thousand years. So this is the ancient civilization. And we don't find anything else, you see,
now for these new... and Islam is thousand five hundred years now, and all the religious are like this. - "I was in Pune for ... "
- Nor number four. Number four now. "Is there any practice you recommend "that will enable (us) to keep
what we get here, "even when we go back to our countries." So when I tell you that you are already free, you don't need any practice. You may be in Lucknow
and you may be even Jerusalem, it doesn't make any difference, because what has to be changed
is the peace of mind. And if I tell you, you are already in peace, you are not to get in Lucknow, what you get in Lucknow you are going to lose it
if you say I got it here. You only learn, I am already free,
I was already free, I will always be free. What about this? If you have a conviction I am suffering, why can't you have a conviction
that I don't suffer. Soul does not suffer. And my suffering depends on some past. So you don't think that
you are going to get anything new. Only you are adviced
that you were already That. Then what are you going to lose,
here or there or anywhere? It's so hard to feel this way. When you are in the West
working with a lot of tension and having children, children sick, and paying mortgage and rent a house and buying a car, all the things,
it's really hard to feel that you are free. But then, that doesn't need to
spoil the peace of mind. This is the work that you've got to do. If you want to buy a car,
if you want to go to office, the legs, the body is your vehicle,
they will carry you, you drive a car and work, even work has got nothing to do
with your peace of mind. Because you use mind
and you use your senses, physical senses to execute awork. I am holding this paper, isn't it? I need hand to hold it, but what gives strength to the hand of holding,
hand is holding, where the hand, where these two fingers
are getting strength? From where this strength comes from? Go back to the source and find out where this source
is sending the force to hold the paper. Go back. Instead of only connecting
your work with the fingers, go back. Now you have to go back and see from where the strength comes from,
of the work. "I am working is alright," everybody says, but where the strength is coming to work? Go back now and see what happens and that is the source of all work, you see. So if you know this,
you are not going to lose it. You have to do it.
You have not to think. Simply go back,
see which is the source of thought, which is the source of activity. When you are quiet,
just now you are quiet for some seconds or even a minute,
what was going on during this silence? I was trying to catch the moment
and I was... Yeah, that is other. What I am asking is, during this silence, what did you see? If you say I was trying,
what is this 'I' that was trying? - Have you seen it? Have you known it?
- No. No. Then why you speak of something
which you have not seen. Why you are brought in the word 'I'
that you have not seen. "I was trying." "Was" is past.
Not of present. It's like, to change all our grammar,
to change our... Yes, you have to change it. You have to change everything
for what is real. But we don't change,
therefore, what is unreal, not truth, false, imagination, that we are holding. This is taught to us by our parents. So let us try for the best now itself and teach the ancients that was not true. Reject all religions that teach you of the past. You don't need any religion to know your Self. To know what you are,
you don't need any priest or any book. Book you can read,
but the book you keep on your head it will not give you any peace of mind. You have given respect to the book. Load the books of all the religions on the back of a donkey, what he will get? So, "I was in Pune for two years
in Osho's Ashram. "Everybody there was very busy. "Busy activities were going on
all the 24 hours. "Here, nobody seemed to be doing anything, "and nothing going against human nature." Yes. Others also, I have gone to Pune
and see everybody is very active. Even on the road, even outside of the road
they are very active. And the local residents, they are complaining that our young daughters
also become active, even outside on the road also
they are active. And in the Buddha Hall,
you must have entered and enjoyed also. Happiness, this happiness
you must have enjoyed in the Buddha Hall. So that happiness you cannot find here. That happiness must be maximum,
maximum three minutes? So, not long-lasting. Three minutes. You have to change
for the next three minutes and you need some rest
for five minutes at least. I can't openly say,
because I am very shy to say. On this subject I am very shy,
I don't speak anything. Therefore... "And this activity was going on. "And here nobody is active." But some people came from... When I was speaking something new, and many people came from Pune here. So I wanted...
You see, there were many people and the satsang was going on in my house which could hold only 60 people,
70 people at a time. So after that, I will give a break
of half an hour. Then again I will start. And three sessions I was taking
up to 4 o clock. From morning 8 to 4 o clock. And then, after this break,
when I will go in to have a cup of tea, and some girls
will already start their activity, in half an hour when I saw this activity, And if you have known that girl,
you see she was upside down, upside down, and I saw with my own eyes. And I didn't like it. And then I started satsang here and Bharat Mitra was here, he started. So here, some people also, the man will sit here
and then another girl will sit on his lap. And I said this not good. And he said, "No, no we are always sitting
like this in Pune, so we have got this habit." So I told Bharat Mitra to send them out. So, many people we have sent out like that. You can stay quietly with each other,
but not overlapping each other. You can do it in the night. But here, one hour we have satsang,
can't you avoid one hour? And there were some people
and they used to go outside on the road and hand in hand and kissing also. This, the Indian they said, this is not good. - Therefore, they were attacking this ashram.
- This one? This. Yeah, yeah. They were saying that
we send the girls outside and they are kissing on the road. Here, even the husband and wife,
you must have seen, they don't go hand in hand even,
let alone kissing. Because whole night is there. You can spend whole night.
Why to display on the road? And there was one boyfriend
and one girlfriend, they came from Paris to visit me in Haridwar. And then, when we went to have some drink. And this boy... There in Paris I've seen,
even in the kitchen, even in the kitchen he can, and then on the dining table also
they were... But then, here, when they were kissing, the drink is being prepared,
means buttermilk, they make, it take some time to make buttermilk. Meanwhile, they start there... he lifted the... What is this called? Skirt, mini. Skirt, yes, yes, skirt. Lifted the skirt
and starting to be active. And then many people, many people came around in a circle
and looking. Then he said, "What is this,
these funny people are circling around?" I said, They are not seen,
they have not seen this before. He said, "She is my wife, I can do anything." But not on the road I said. So he learnt a lesson. And once in Paris,
we were going to the garden, with the same people,
and I was walking ahead and my hand was on the shoulder of this boy. My hand I was keeping,
because I have arthritis for many years, I need some help. And he said, "This is not acceptable in Paris. "You can keep your hand on me,"
this girl says, "You can keep your hand on me,
not on my husband." Because here people take a different meaning I still do not know why. You still do not know? "Coming to satsang here in Lucknow
seems to be a privilege "that is only available to those "who can afford to come here
and be with you. "Most people in the world have to struggle "to support themselves and their dependents. "How can people like this gain enlightenment? "What do you have to say to people
who are interested in freedom, "but who will never have opportunity
to come to see you, someone like you?" Okay, now, many people say that
we want to come to Lucknow, but we don't have funds,
don't have funds to travel. So I write to them,
you need not come to Lucknow, but only do as I advise you, to keep quiet. How to keep quiet?
Then I tell them sit quietly, any time, don't allow the thought to rise, and if the thought comes
see from where does it rise. And do this and then write to me next. If you don't...
And some people also wrote to me that they didn't have money,
there have no finances. Particularly one girl from Washington,
she wrote to me, "I want to see you personally,
to have you questioned there. "Because, first of all, I have not visited India. "So many people are coming,
but I don't have money, "but I want to see you, I must see you." And then, when she woke up she found ten thousand dollars on her table. Now, who has kept this? Maybe, to convince herself, maybe some of her friend may have done it,
but she doesn't know. And the man who has given $10,000,
also has not given her (his) name. So, if you so desire,
your desire is very strong, and the person who lives in your heart
knows your intention, the help will come from anywhere. All the world is going to obey you
if you want just freedom, only freedom, nothing else. Then you see how the miracles
are going to happen. One minute. It's not always a question
of money to come over, but sometimes it's a question of people living somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Even they're not aware
of the possibility of freedom or to feel this peaceful feeling. How, I mean, are they don't, never to know how to feel this peaceful or freedom in life? That's why I asked you before,
if freedom is equally to all the people. Because some people read
or heard about you or other people, because they had the chance
to get close to them. But, for example, my parents,
they will never get to something close to that if I will not tell them.
If I tell them they will laugh about. So they're doomed to live in this, to suffer, with this emptiness all their life? Now, if your parents could not come,
they did not come, but it is your parents who have sent you here. If you don't understand, I will tell you. Your parents have given you birth, isn't it? - What?
- Your parents have given you birth. Your mother and your father they are responsible that you are born, isn't it? - Yes.
- So you must be thankful to them. Because many boys many girls
are born of parents who are not able to visit. So, lucky is a person
whose parents have given birth to this kind of person, girl or a boy, who could go to some guru, some ashram,
some good place. So you must be thankful to them. So if you have learnt something,
you tell to your parents, surely they will like it. And some people have gone (from) here
to see that their parents, mother or the father is very ill,
ill and he's dying, "I have received a phone call
that he's dying. if you want to see his face,
come now itself." Maybe the doctor says
he has only two days to live. So I immediately tell them you go, immediately go and see your dying father and then you place your hand on his chest, that, "You are not born
and you are not going to die." And this teaching, she is taking back. And this teaching nobody gives, nobody's ever born
and nobody's ever going to die, this is the teaching. Because this body,
just like a shirt or a pant, if it is worn you take a new one,
thrown away, like this is the body. Throw away one body
another good body we will get. So there's no problem if you die. You are going to be reborn
as a fresh person again. But die with this thought that I am happy. Everybody cries. Nobody goes smiling. Kabir says... Have you heard of Saint Kabir?
Kabir. No. You will give one book to her
and other books also. Kabir says, everyone, when he is born, he cries. - Child cries when he is born?
- Yeah. Everyone who is born, he cries. And parents are happy,
neighbors are happy, relatives are happy and they come to congratulate the person who has given birth to a boy or a girl.
Congratulations. Others are happy. Child is crying. Therefore, Kabir says, while going, while going back or when you are dying let the others now cry and you go happy. "Are you going to nominate a successor
to take over your teaching role?" No, no, no. Number seven. Number seven. So this, I did it. "Many people came here from Pune
after Osho died, "because they felt the need for a living Master. "What would all these people do
when you leave your body? "And should they move on
and look for another Master? "What advice do you give them now
and while you are still alive?" So, if they come here,
they are not (to) come to visit my body. This I tell them, that this is just like a shirt, if I hang the shirt here, who will come here? So I tell them, definitely,
definitely don't visit me when I am dead. But you are coming here
for something else, that will not die, that will not die, and then you can come. Like Ramana Maharishi has left his body, but thousands of people, more people go now than they were going when he was alive. Why? Because it was his teaching which stays in the vibration of the atmosphere. Where he treaded,
that place is sanctified place. This, foreigners cannot understand. We have respect for this. So that place is sanctified
because of his wisdom. And where he spent, that place gets charged. Not visiting any body.
Body doesn't stand in this understanding. If you are quiet, just quiet,
not speaking to anyone, and you will see the vibration of that room, when you enter you surely will feel
something is here. "I have heard you say that "doubt is one of the greatest obstacles
to enlightenment." Yes, doubt is the only obstacle
in enlightenment. And if you don't have doubt
you are enlightened. Don't have any doubt. Why should you doubt yourself,
and have a doubt, "I am suffering"? Avoid this doubt. And then, first of all, avoid this doubt that I am a body. I am not the body. So this is quite enough for enlightenment. Simply say I am That. I am That. I am not the body. I am not the senses. Not even the mind. These three things you can do now
and see who you are. That you do every day when you are sleeping. You are not the body, not the mind.
But you are happy. Not all my nights are happy.
Not all the nights are happy when you dream. - Yes, you're happy...
- When I dream... I'm not speaking of dreaming and waking.
There is no difference. Even now you are dreaming. Even now you dream. And when you are dreaming,
do you say that I am dreaming? That is reality. In dream, if you find a tiger pouncing on you and would you say to him,
"You are a dream tiger, "I am not afraid of you. You come." So dream and waking, there is no difference.
This is also a dream. What vanishes on awakening, when you wake up
the dream breaks away, isn't it? So like this, when you are enlightened, this dream also will fade away. Like other dreams in the night,
so this is also a dream. So if it is not a dream, it must stay always. The reality doesn't disappear. What disappears is a dream, is not true. So what does not disappear is the truth. So if you have seen that I am not the body,
I am That, then this will not disappear,
this is reality. "Most teachers and teaching stress that "desires have to vanish
for enlightenment to happen. "How can this happen?
How does one reached the point "where desires no longer even arise
in the mind?" So I don't teach anyone,
for the desires to vanish. I say, let the desires be there.
Desire is of no harm. I have a desire that I am hungry
so I want to eat something. If nothing (is) in the house,
you go to the restaurant and eat. This is a desire. But in fulfilling... It's not need. Its not need. Wanting to eat is not need,
it is not a desire. Desire is maybe to eat
more and more and more. Yes. But if (eat) more,
then after that, you go to the hospital, then also you say. Because doctors are there,
they also have to be fed. Unless you overeat,
the doctors will close their clinics, so you have to eat more,
but (they) look after their profession. And if you eat half belly, half belly,
half food you eat, and other half you keep for the air
to move and digest it, you will never fall ill. The desire, I'm not talking about food or water. So, tell me any desire, so I will tell you. Career to do, to be rich, to be with any man, to be with any woman. Okay, you have a desire,
you cannot live alone and you have a desire
for a young healthy smart man. So this is the desire in young age,
this is the desire. I think this is the desire
which everybody has had in youth. So if he gets a girl, gets a girl,
and let him fulfill the desire, and there is no harm. Other masters stop it.
But I don't stop it. I say, because the woman
has got nothing to do with your enlightenment. She needs something else,
you fulfill her desire. When you meet a man,
you allow him to fulfill his desire on you. Good compassion. I was in Lisboa
and I received a telephone call, a telephone call, that I want to see you,
because I signed papers, one Indian is here who's speaking on yoga and other things, of enlightenment, which I do not understand,
because we are Christians and Catholics. So, I belong to a fisherman family on an island about five-six kilometres from the mainland. So my parents have sent me here
to learn this training of nursing, so that the other women,
the fishermen's families I can help, so for that reason,
there is a course of two years. And then I phone to you
and you said you come at five o'clock. And then, on the beach one young boy took me to his apartment, apartment, and then he slept with me, slept with me, I'm shy to tell you other things,
slept with me. Because we are Catholics, you see, we are Catholics
and we have been told by the priest that if someone hasn't got something,
which you have, give it to him. So what he wanted, what he wanted
for his happiness, that hole I had. He didn't have. Therefore, I am late for this. And she was late one hour. I said, then...
She you are a very innocent girl. And then she told me the whole story. I said, why you didn't take up your shoes and beat that boy on the beach? No, no, we are compassionate,
we are Christians. I said, if any man approaches a girl in India she's surely going to do it, you see,
she will beat that man. Therefore no boy comes near a girl. And she said... Then I said okay,
you stay here and take lunch with us. And then, she said, I came to see,
I've never seen an Indian, but then I've come to know you love me more than my father.
You are a good man. So I was afraid of seeing Indians. Indian means local American Indian, you see. So, nobody knows about the Indians. And then she said,
may I come to see you again? I said, Every time you can come. Then she used to come
and started this meditation. And then she said I will go back to my island and speak about this thing. And I will bring them also.
She brought her parents also. "Most teachers and teaching stress the desire... " No, this I have given. Next page. "If desires are present, one can either
repress them or indulge in them. "Is there another option? "It is possible to be aware of them
without doing anything about them?" So if you fulfill a desire, another will rise. Fulfill one desire, another will rise and this stream will go on
up to the end of life. No one can check the desires. "And to indulge in them."
"Repress them or indulge in them?" So if you repress them
then you are not quiet, you are suffering. And if you indulge in them, so after fulfilment of this desire,
again the desire will rise. What to do?
"Therefore, is there any other option? "It is possible to aware of them
and without doing anything about them?" So if the desire arises, you are speaking about
the desire to indulge or repress, if the desire arises, simply observe it. Simply don't do anything. Don't suppress it. Simply observe as this paper
is in front of me, I observe it. Observation. And now we try. Do this. You bring any desire in front of you now
and simply observe. Just like a robber comes to your house, a robber is coming to your house
to rob you of something and you are sleeping. He will rob away the things
because you are sleeping. And now, the same thief
comes in front of you, in your house, to take away, to rob you, and you are observing, you are awake, then he will not rob you, he will run away. But what about the things
which is already robbed? Television set he has taken
and your motorcycle he has taken and many other things he has taken. Now... No, no, it will stop now. It will stop. It will stop. It has to go down. I'm sorry. So, when you are coughing, there is no desire. "Is there any opinion, option?
Is it possible to be aware of them?" Yes, I tell you, keep observation,
observe the desire when it arises, then no thought will come. Like I was giving an example,
and I left it there, this person when you are looking,
when you are aware, you are not robbed. But what about the things
that he has already robbed? Quietly, at a distance, follow him, follow the thief that has been robbing, and here that thief is the thought. Doubt. Thought. Follow this thought. And it will go to a place
where he has kept all your things. And then, seeing you, that you are following, this man, this thief will run away. You recover your things. Back home. And this was happiness
that you are being robbed every time, every day, all the time. If you are observing
then no thief can enter you, no trouble can enter the house. Simply keep aware and see,
observe the thought, where it's rising, "There are five million people... "
No, no, one before. - One before.
- Before. "Is there any event or experience in your life "that is always with you,
that is always in your heart, "if there is can you share it with us?" So, the first experience which I had
is always with me, I was eight year old. So during my Christmas holidays, my mother took me to her sister,
in Lahore, in Punjab, to stay with them. And she said I will show you a zoo
and museum and old monuments, and a very big garden was there,
Shalimar garden, I will show you, so we had gone there. And she stayed with her sister. And in the evening milk was being prepared, with ice and milk, almond shake we call it, in the evening it was being distributed. Dring some water. I'm alright. So, they went on passing, and that other family has also three children, so they were passing on
the cups of this milk to everybody. When they gave it to me, I didn't accept it. I didn't accept it, because something happened
to me at that time. I closed my eyes
and I didn't know why it happened. So they thought that I am haunted by a ghost. In those days they only thought, because I am sitting
and the tears are falling, I don't reply. So that man, where we were,
he was our host, he said I will take him to a mosque, mosque, that's what they used to do before. If some buffalo is giving less milk, they take it to the priest,
the maulvi of the mosque. And then he had some fur in (his) hand, he will put at this place
where the milk of the buffalo stays. - What do you call this?
- Udder. Udder? No, backside. From back to udder, he will slowly come, the milk travels from here
and then passes through the four teats. And they take (me) away like this,
they took me and placed before me, and then he spoke some...
You call mantra, you can call it mantra. And then he said you take take him away,
he'll be alright. But then again this came,
I was the same, like this again. And three days I was in that happiness. And my mother said, "Why you were quiet?" And still I was not in full consciousness. So first experience is this. First experience, same kind,
I can't explain it. You were not afraid of it, of the feeling? You were not afraid
of the happiness feeling? No, no, I was happy.
But I could not explain why I was happy. This I could not explain.
Still I cannot explain. And many occasions
have I have had it, you see. Another occasion was about 14 year(s) old. Winter is a very biting winter in Punjab. So I was laying under the quilt, sleeping. Woke up in the night
and sat down in meditation. I never knew meditation, what is meditation,
but I sat down. And my mother said, "Why don't you sleep?" And I didn't listen. I kept on like this thing. And my mother said to my father,
"You go and call a doctor." And doctor was brought and he tested me. And I'm looking, what is going on here. And the doctor said he is not sick. But to my father he addressed,
I congratulate you that your son has got this experience. It has got nothing to do.
Let him stay as it is. Don't disturb him. He will wake up again. Like that only. So, this kind of appearance were happening. Even in Ramana Ashram, when I was 35 year old, even that, you see, the same thing happens. This stays. And still I cannot explain,
where does this happiness come from. That's what I tell you. If you go back, the source of happiness,
and you stay there always. You do not know
this is the source of happiness. Therefore, I say, you have got to do nothing.
It comes by itself. Are there things you regret in life? Are there things that you regret, (any) of them? Is there things that you regret in your life? Are there things that you are regretting in your life? - Blessing?
- Regretting. If there are things that you're regretting
in your life? Regrets. - Regret?
- Regret in your life, if there are things. That you're sorry that it happened? There are? This has happened,
which gave me happiness. - And you are asking any regrets?
- Yes. Give me some time to think. I don't remember now. I don't remember, so why should I... But I will write to you if I remember. Perhaps, you will give me the first regret after reaching back to Israel, and writing, I have lost the happiness
which I had in Lucknow. That will give me my first regret. So I will be very grateful to you to show me the face of this regret
at the age of 85 years. So I will write to you thank you,
thank you, thank you. You answered me that before,
you were talking about Israelis, - Israelis, I have already...
- We talked it before. Okay, yeah. But I want to ask you,
are you going to nominate a successor here? "So are you going to nominate a successor "to take over your teaching role after?" I had applied it. No, I am not going to do it. This reply I gave you this thing,
something, when I pass away; everybody who is there has to pass away; but what about which I speak about, that nobody knows, that will stay. That will bring everybody, all over the world, as it is happening now,
it will continue like this, because that thing which came
is not going anywhere. "This millions of people... "
Has been answered. "Now I thank you very much
for answering my questions "and allowing me to be here. "I am here with my friend..."
Asnat? Asnat. "And my name is Asafa. Asafa. "And we would both like the new names. "Can you please give us a new name?"
Very good. And this... - Asafa.
- Asafa, okay. So, to you, I give the name as this. - What is this name?
- Gita? Gita. And what is Gita? That you give one book...
So I write here, holy book, meaning of Gita is celestial song. When God is happy upon a person, He sings. And then advise, this advice was given
by Krishna to Arjuna during the great war in the epic of Mahabharata. So Mahabharata was fought
about 5000 years ago, this battle was fought near Punjab. And this teacher...
Arjuna was his student, he doesn't fight, because they were his cousins
and other relations, some uncles and even his gurus
who taught him to fight the war. They are in front of him, he doesn't fight, because these people were cousins. And the property had to be divided, they said we will not give you
even an inch of it. So Krishna tell them you fight and kill them. They said... This man Arjuna says,
how can I kill my cousins, I will go to hell, how can I kill my guru, who taught me this war of the arrows.
So I cannot kill them. Then he gives him this teaching. Even if you don't kill, they will die. And they have died many times. And you also died many times and reborn, but I know and you do not know. Here the Gita starts through that knowledge. And other name, Shanti, to her, means peace, only peace, love, wisdom. So we have already three Shanti's. One Shanti is from Argentina. She's here? And she has some motorbike accident. She comes here, she is Argentinian Shanti. And one is American Shanti. We needed one Israeli Shanti also and she's here. Shanti means peace, love and wisdom. And this Shanti is staying for many years here, but unfortunately, she had an accident. And I also had an accident
of the car, this thing. Okay, thank you very much.
