Overview of Third-Party Movements: ETA, Miyota, Seiko & More (A Comprehensive Guide 2021)

hi everyone teddy baldusar here now in the world of watches when we're talking about just mechanical watches in general i think often we maybe overlook the actual movements inside the pieces that we are buying and that is especially true when it comes to third-party movements there are many people that will go ahead and throw around loosely the idea of in-house calibers but then when looking in the direction of third party it's always negative connotations but i don't think that is always very fair because if you're wanting something that's very reliable and has been proven in the market third party movement is a great place to look but there's just so many of them that it could be very overwhelming but in this video what we're going to be doing is doing a pretty comprehensive overview of the different third party options out there talk a little bit about each one of them the different ones that you'll be confronted with and just when you're looking out for your next piece to have a better understanding of the backstory behind that movement as well as whether or not it's going to be the right one for you so in this video we're going to be looking at the predominant manufacturers when it comes to third-party movements look at the most popular movements that you'll be confronted with from those manufacturers go through the basic specification of each one for this video we're going to only be looking at mechanical movements so no course movements as that would really make this a long one also i'm not going to go into every single detail about every movement as well as all the different variations but really highlight those key model families and also if you have some great experience with many of these movements just leave more comments down below i think that would be helpful for people as they're going about making decisions and then finally the idea of accuracy is a little bit gray in some areas because at the end of the day the number one determining factor for accuracy is going to be the company that is going to actually be casing up the movement casing up the watch and regulating it in their own facility but we'll try to provide as many just basic out-of-the-box specifications whenever possible so in this video we're going to be looking at of course third-party movements but if you want something with a little bit different flavor maybe some in-house flavor there probably isn't a better brand representing this idea than zenith now at teddybulletstore.com we are a full authorized dealer of zenith very proud authorized dealer of zenith because they are probably one of the brands that epitomize the idea of automatic chronograph calibers and the el premiero so much so is commonly associated with the brand more than even a model which is not something that's typically replicated if you look across the industry and how people maybe visualize brands on our store we have quite a bit of variety going for more traditional el primero calibers and their structures as well as some pretty crazy stuff with the el primero 9004 featured in the d521l premiere which has of course that double balance inside with the movement one operating at the traditional high beat frequency at five hertz and the other one at 50 hertz so 360 000 vibrations per hour for that movement is going to allow that central chronograph second hand to track 100th of a second so teddyballstar.com full authorized dealer of zenith watches as well as 30 other brands check it out great way to support the content quick and fast fulfillment full factor warranty for all the products that we carry so if something goes wrong you're completely covered and nine out of every ten dollars that we generate because right back in this content that we're creating so to begin here when looking at movements the probably best place to look to start is going with the more affordable stuff and just working our way up from there and the place that we want to look first is looking at japan with mioda now starting with one of the biggest movement manufacturers in the world we have mioda which was founded back in 1959 as a movement factory for citizen watches and miota today is still a subsidiary of citizen watch group and since the early 1980s have been selling watch movements to other brands now besides producing literally millions of inexpensive quartz movements for citizen brands as well as many others mioda is also well known to enthusiasts thanks to affordable automatic calibers that are often included in many micro brand watches or even bigger names like timex for example if you've owned anything on the more affordable side of the watch industry or perhaps dabbled in the world of micro brands there's a really good chance you've experienced a myota caliber like the ones we're going to be mentioning now jumping in with what is without a doubt miyota's most popular movement the 8215 which has been around since 1977 and is a caliber well known for its inclusion in thousands of different watches including many of timex's inexpensive automatics certain bulova models as well as some lockout entry level fleekers as well and the 8215 movement itself is affordable when purchased after market making it no secret why it is so often seen the movement also offers essentially no finishing across the rotor and bridges but in some instances we'll have added hacking other common variants of this family are the 821a which comes with some added decoration also have gilt versions or the 8205 which will feature a day-date complication compared to the traditional date now typically you'll see the 821.5 in watches around the 200 to 700 price range though there are certainly outliers that exist now the 8000 series of movements is certainly a very popular range of movements and many different variations but as you start getting into that 500 range what you're going to start seeing more of is the use of 9000 series movements from yoda so these are fairly newer movements and the main thing that you're going to notice from an upgrade standpoint is first the actual beat frequency so these are going to be jumping up to 4 hertz rather than 3 hertz from the 8000 series and it also will have some other modifications to it and one of the unfortunate things about the 9000 series and just miyota in general is there's sometimes some baggage associated with their movements because of the really affordable court stuff that is on the low low end and when you're looking at the 9000 series on the paper as well as uh what you're seeing in terms of actual wear they're very good movements for the money and can compete with some very standard decorated and graded etta or swiss stuff that you'll see a little bit later on now just a little bit more about the 9000 series of movements it's particularly the 9015. now this movement was released in 2009 and again will beat faster than the 8215. so four hertz versus three hertz will have more jewels it also hacks is significantly thinner overall which is going to be a big point and something i'll ask you to keep an eye on as we proceed here and seeing how that will affect many of the watches maybe you're striving for and ask that question hey why didn't they make this smaller also with this mio to 9000 series you'll see an improvement with that deviation rating with the accuracy the 9000 series is more of a direct competitor in many ways to the more popular etta or solida calibers that we'll cover here in a bit the 9015 is slim enough to fit in many dressier watches and will also have that beat rate to match the popular swiss counterparts the other aspect of this family of 9000 series calibers is that they come with a plethora of variations like a no date with the 9039 the gilt versions as well as a long list of added complications and styles now similar to the 8215 the 9000 series can be found in a wide variety of brands and typically are going to be seen starting around that 500 range and up to around a thousand dollars and again miota sometimes gets an unfortunate bad rap when looking at their quartz movements but as you get up to these 9000 series they are very solid movements for the money all right so now to transition to another japanese manufacturer looking at seiko and seiko doesn't prioritize movement manufacturing for third parties the same way as miyota will but you will see it with their nh35 and three six as probably being the two most common movements out there on the market from seiko and these are being produced and done by seiko instruments and essentially just so you can understand what's happening here so you're probably familiar with the 4r family of movements from seiko if you are of course familiar with seiko commonly found in the turtle samurais as well as the cocktail time families very solid just workhorse movements out there for seiko being used in a variety of different applications what they're basically doing is changing the naming convention and allowing them to be distributed to other third parties to be used and housed within different micro brands as well as other manufacturers out there on the market now these movements just like the 4r family are of course very reliable and do a lot of good when looking at the regulation front as well as being very versatile in terms of their uh housing and casing a couple important notes here when looking at the specifications of these so these are three hertz movements so compared to the 9000 series not going to be that for her but instead 21 600 vibrations per hour so more in line with the miota 8215 and 21a family of calibers there so the 8000 series also these movements are rather thick so what you'll often see these being housed within will be more dive watches a lot of micro brands utilize these and why these are often used just like the miota calibers from the 8000 series are going to be because of pricing these typically are well priced they could be housed within watches very regularly between say that 300 price range to 750 price range where you commonly will see them and from a regulation and tolerance standpoint i've seen really good accuracy ratings out of these despite the out of the box ratings not being really that great typically you'll see these sometimes after regulation from a really respected manufacturer does a good brand or micro brand around say the 10 second mark in terms of accuracy which is quite good for these movements also what i want to mention is the ne15 or the any family of movements which is essentially the same thing was happening with the 4r moving into the nh instead here the equivalent will be the 6r family of movements why you don't see them that often i almost forgot to mention them completely is just because the prices versus the upgrades that you're going to be getting you do get a longer power reserve on these they are usually have some better tolerances in terms of accuracy but for those returns they typically are not going to be delivering that for the price as we're talking usually multiples if you're going to go and go out and buy one of these in comparison to say an nh35 or a 36. but again in the vast majority of cases the two movements that you're going to be seeing from seiko instruments will be the nh family with the nh35 and the 36 with the 3.5 offering just a date and the three six offering a day date okay so now that we've looked at some of the primary japanese movements we get into the big players in the swiss industry and probably the first one of course that will come up will be etta and i'm gonna try to breeze through these as quick as possible because etta is going to be the really the standard when it comes to third-party movements from switzerland and a lot of the brands to follow here will kind of be following suit with what edda really paved the way for now one of the rubs when it comes to etta is going to be their actual production and other brands getting the opportunity to use their movements or even buy their movements for a long time they actually had a pretty much a monopoly in the marketplace which created a lot of friction with the swiss governments many manufacturers out there and now since there have been other people that have come into the fold and there's a lot of just dirty stuff that's kind of went on in this area and a lot of back and forth in the industry regarding their actual supply and production and who they could sell to how much could they sell to so i don't want to get into too much of those details but etta really is the king in this arena in terms of paving the way here and also another point of distinction here as we go through these eda calibers also salida and stp to follow is there's different grades for these movements which are going to be important for a couple of reasons one of course it's going to change the components that are used also we'll change the finishing on these movements and most importantly will change the actual tolerances and accuracy for these movements as well as some of them are going to actually be sent in for cost certification so you have your standard grades your laboratories then you have your tops and you have those chronometer grades as well so those four grades and this is going to be the case for some of these movements that we're going to be looking at here now just to start going through some of these starting with some manual calibers from etta so we have the pizzoo or the etta 7001 so when edda absorbed pizoo they kept the brands well like seven thousand and one caliber completely intact now in terms of dependability the 7001 has been humming away in watches since its release in 1971 and is still a great choice for any watch where movement thickness is an issue considering it's felt 2.5 millimeter height as well as being a very well finished movement for the money now this non-hacking hand winder can be found in watches from tiso junghan's omega and pre-in-house nomos who actually base their alpha caliber on the 7001. other benefits of this movement is that it's going to be nicely finished and also is a great way of getting that sub seconds on a very thin dress watch moving right along you also have to look at unitas so these are kind of these traditional old beat frequency pocket watch style movements and similar to the etta 7001 the unitas family of calibers are highly regarded manual movements that are larger and appear like again classic pocket watch movements this as a result is going to make them much larger in diameter and when you flip them over it does create a very interesting dynamic with the case versus the movement in terms of its size now these movements tend to be on full display in the watches that they inhabit really as a byproduct of their elevated looks now the unitas family movements are most commonly found in oversized dress watches as well as traditional fleeker style pieces from brands like locko and stova and then one final manual caliber from etta to definitely look at is the etta 28012 so in terms of dimensions they have a nice middle ground of their diameter as well as their thickness also will have a nice power reserve but most importantly here they're going to be featuring hacking and of course hand winding with a hand one movement here but a beat frequency of 28 800 vibrations per hour or four hertz and from a visual standpoint also follow suit with the more traditional three handset at the center rather than the sub seconds that you'll find with the say the pizoo 7001 so i think we're all aware of the challenges that go with developing an in-house caliber and how that's even more of an issue when going for an in-house chronograph movement and that is really why this next move we're going to be looking at the valjoux 7750 family of movements is so widely used chances are if you're seeing a vertical register display on a chronograph that is say under five thousand dollars chances are it is going to be a valjew family of movements the 7750 most likely with that vertical display so these movements have been around for quite a bit of time since 1973 they're of course going to be tested in the marketplace have been proven over the decades that they've been out there and also any watchmaker is going to be able to service them they're reliable but they do have their downsides as well they're not maybe the best looking movements but probably most importantly they are thick so these are coming in right around eight millimeters in thickness and this is kind of what i was getting at earlier when i talked about think about how the movement could so much affect the case when somebody uses a value movement and you're using eight millimeters just to house that automatic chronograph caliber think about how that's going to limit the actual casing and the watch itself so that's why you're going to see many watches out there that house these movements being more between 13 and a half to say 15 millimeters in their overall thickness in addition the rotor jiggle on these are commonly uh called out quite frequently many people have never experienced a belgium before might feel the thing shaking on the wrist with that rotor just rotating around as fast as possible and might be a little scared that something to loosen their movement that is just typical with these but these are very reliable movements they're well tested in the marketplace and are definitely the go-to option and say under five thousand dollars for going for a chronograph in addition there's a reason why brands from tiso to iwc hamilton zinn tag heuer breitling omega panerai and many others will best their faith into these workhorse chronograph calibers but now that we looked at the valjoux then moving into traditional three-hand movements and there probably isn't going to be any other swiss movement that is going to top this one in terms of popularity and just being ubiquitous in the marketplace and that is the eta 28 24. now in production since 1982 the edit-2824-2 is perhaps the most commonly seen third-party automatic movement in swiss watches today seen in watches with prices anywhere between say right around a thousand dollars and a little bit below to somewhere around two to three grand they're available in four grades with varying amounts of jewels with use of different materials and levels of accuracy all the way up to cost certification levels the 2824 is considered by many as the industry's greatest workhorse automatic caliber virtually anybody can service it and they're generally regarded as excellent if unsexy calibers for tool style and everyday watches in addition to the standard etta 28 24 2 being a three-hander with a date there are also countless other variations including the very popular day-date 2836 and the 28-34 and perhaps the only drawback of the 2824 is that they can be hard to get as a result of the aforementioned at a swatch group supply reluctance but since the patent on these have long since expired you're going to see a ton of different variations out there from other manufacturers that basically do the same job which we'll get to right after we mentioned the edit 2892a2 so position as the higher end more refined alternative to the edit 28 24 2 eda's 2892 a2 in production since 1980 is also thinner compared to the 2824 around a millimeter meaning it's a nice option for slimmer dressier watches other than the slimmer build the level of finishing on this movement is generally a bit higher compared to the 2824 and the caliber again is available in multiple different grades with different stated variations in terms of accuracy as well as other upgrades in terms of materials and jewels as you go up given its more luxurious positioning it's also been used as a base caliber for many brands in the past like iwc breitling and omega as well as many countless others this caliber is often seen with added modular gmt complications allowing for independently adjusting a 24 hour hand and then also with the very popular as well at a 2894 which will have an integrated chronograph module built on top of it as a nice alternative to the integrated system with the valjoux 7750 now edda is probably the most established name in the world of third-party movements by far but in the last several years there certainly has been quite a bit of ground that has been caught up by the other manufacturers to follow here primarily salida as probably the second in charge and developing some fantastic movements for the money as well and great alternatives to the movements that we just listed before here now celita was founded in 1950 and again has stepped up massively since the early 2000s when the brand began to produce their own alternatives to out of movements like the at a 28 24 2. today selita is a major player and alternative to etta for many microbrands and independents looking to avoid the sometimes sudden cutoff of supply from etta in regards to their movements it's also important to drive the point home here that solida calibers are in large part pretty much literal copies of ata calibers except for say the added joule and the sw-200 but from an operation standpoint much of the design the architecture is going to of course be the same yet selita from my own personal experience owning several salita movements in my watches as well as handling hundreds and hundreds of them have always been very impressed with the movements and again they've just really gained ground as of late so the traditional selena movement that you're going to be seeing probably most commonly is the sw-200 for all practical purposes the sw 200 is the direct equivalent to etta's 28 24 2 with similar specs capabilities reliability and even a similar range of grades available selita is simply making use of its vast experience without a calibers having been a third party assembler for eda since 1950 and taking advantage of the fact that many patents directly protecting many other calibers have long expired moving up you then have the sw 300s so with this movement this is going to be the equivalent to the etta 2892a2 with a near exact level of spec and also with similar module variations with the gmt sw 330 or the small seconds sw360 and as a 2892a2 alternative the sw-300 provides a slimmer slightly more refined option for watch cases at higher price points now another up-and-comer that filled the void here by etta is going to be soprod originally founded back in 1966 which today lives underneath the fastina group family of companies like solida soprad was an assembler often utilized by etta and therefore was easily able to step into the world of producing their own movements as well while certainly less established in the third party movement supply compared to salida sopra operates under a similar model producing calibers intended to compete directly with particular edit calibers though the majority of sopran's efforts are not direct clones but rather different movements designed to fit interchangeably with etta or salina calibers both in terms of dimension and also the location of dial feet making soprod calibers another interesting alternative out there on the third party market of course brand equity is a bit of question since there simply aren't as many so prod calibers out there yet but initial experience out there in the market seems positive this was housed within uh some different micro brand watches as of late you're just seeing it more and more as time goes on so the most common one you're going to probably see is going to be the soprod a10 and this was designed as a drop in competitor to eda's 2892 family of calibers and had identical specs in terms of dimensions though it is not exactly the same movement mechanically there is a bit of an interesting story about this movement with a connection from seiko with their short-lived 4l series of calibers some say soprod licensed the design from seiko who originally conceived it but info on this is not incredibly definitive so it is a little bit harder to make a strong claim here in any case the 810 is a solid third-party option often included in the same types of slimmer more upmarket watches that you might see with edda's 2892a2 or solida's sw 300. and one other soprod caliber to mention and be aware of is the c125 which is being found in more and more micro brand watches primarily because of its gmt complication i saw it recently in a review i did with the baltic aquascape gmt and although there isn't a ton of information about this particular caliber out there compared to say salidas or some edit calibers it's not a surprise why this one has been so widely regarded and starting to be used more and more by adding that gmt on top of that a10 base and adding only about 0.5 millimeters to the overall thickness at usually pretty reasonable prices from what i'm hearing there's a lot of reason why i think people are looking in the direction of sopran now so i did just mention so prod but probably third in line in terms of popularity from swiss manufacturers of movements is going to be stp so that's swiss technology production they were founded in 2006 and are currently housed underneath the fossil group umbrella as their movement in manufacturers so you're going to be seeing them mostly in brands like a zodiac being the main movements inside of those but as of late you're seeing it a bit more being housed within different micro brands and how they came onto the scene was mostly through the really kind of standardized production model in regards to really automating a lot of their process and allowing many of their movements to be of course equivalents to the etta insulator counterparts the most popular movement as well as the brand's equivalent to the etta caliber family the edit 2824.2 is going to be the stp-111 while the standard 111 is capable of being regulated to within chronometer specs it also could be purchased with the 313 variant with an official cost certification and that higher grade now stp doesn't have the same brand cachet as say a etta or a solida but they are quickly gaining ground and so far a lot of the feedback and experience with them on the market seems to be overall quite positive but don't think maybe to the same degree in popularity that you'll find with again etta and salida now one final manufacturer that is very important for us to look at as you might be confronted with it quite frequently it's not always marketed maybe front and center but it is happening quite often and that is modular systems on base calibers that we already talked about and that is most likely going to be developed by a very highly regarded manufacturer in dubois de pras dubai de prize does not specialize in producing complete movements but rather modular systems because of the added expense and complexity inherent in designing new movements with complications like a chronograph gmt or calendar mechanisms many brands will look towards dubai depraws's collection of modules which are essentially add-on designs to fit popular off-the-shelf movements for many more affordable offerings such as the popular edit 2894.2 as well as being seen in even in-house calibers from brands like audemars piguet breitling gerard perego and even richard mill of course these modules will make for a thicker movement compared to the base but this way you can start with a tried and tested base caliber and change its capabilities without all the expense in r d and other issues that come with brand new calibers however while modular etta or selita based calibers might make the initial purchase of watches less expensive it's important to note many watchmakers have a different process for servicing modular types of movements it might just opt for replacing the entire modular system rather than actually servicing the movement from the ground up and this sometimes can lead to some more expensive servicing or maybe not the most straightforward servicing compared to say a traditional integrated movement probably the best example of this is going to be with chronograph systems with the eta 2894 that you'll find in sometimes entry-level mechanical chronographs but then instead you can spend a little bit more money and get a value 7750 now there are positives and negatives going both route the modular system is typically a little bit thinner you're going to be working off that at a base then you have the value which of course we talked about which is going to be thicker and have its own restraints in regards to the movement but in regards to the complexity of the service and what watchmakers typically from what i've had in my discussions with them what they prefer to do is go for the integrated value movement rather than these modular systems which can just add a little bit more complexity and also access to parts and making sure that it can be a very simple and streamlined servicing process also another manufacturer just to mention here at the end just briefly is kinesi so this is essentially the outsourced arm of say tutor as well as chanel they have partial ownership in this manufacturing house and they've been starting to even develop their own third party movements so the say independent micro brand narcane is actually housing a kinesi caliber within them so that'll be interesting to monitor and i would imagine that there's going to perhaps be even more that are going to get into the mix and maybe you'll also see some independents starting to get into this world as well into the development of manufacturer calibers that other brands could use in house and one final point that i didn't really talk about throughout this video but it's so important and when you're talking about the in-house versus third-party conversation servicing is very important and all of these movements on here in regards to these integrated movements from etta also the more affordable stuff from yoda as well as seiko they either can be very easy to purchase on their own from those japanese manufacturers where you can just slap a new one in there from like mioda if you want to just give your watch new life once it becomes time to service and then you also have with eda pretty much any watchmaker will be able to service those in terms of service intervals you'll hear a lot of different things out there i did a whole q a with the watchmaker carson uh you know he's actually certified to service many swash group brands as well as richmond group brands and we talked a lot about this modular system versus traditional integrated movements as well as service intervals so if you want actually from a watchmaker type of question q a definitely check that out i'll link to it in the description but there's a lot of different thoughts and at the end of the day it really comes down to how you're going to wear it who is the manufacturer that is going to be housing up that movement regulating it but all in all all the movements that were mentioned in this video are going to vary solid ones and i think there's a lot of reasons to go look out at third party movements and hopefully this will be helpful as you go and look at your next watch and understanding a little bit more what's underneath the hood all right guys well this was a ton of work to put together so i do hope you enjoyed if you did please give it a thumbs up that is a great way to help out the channel also subscribe if you're new here and of course hit that bell icon so you can stay up to date with the content also teddyballstar.com full authorized dealer of 30 brands if you're looking for a new watch no better place to go quick and fast fulfillment dedicated customer support full factory warranty so if something goes wrong you're not having even paid worry about service costs you're completely covered in that regard during that uh warranty window which are going to be multi-year for many of the brands that we carry also offer price match so if you see one of our watches then another authorized dealer for cheaper fill out the form on the product page and we'll give you a call and finally again nine out of every ten dollars that we generate because right back in this content we're creating also to stay up with some more content you can follow us on instagram as well as check out the second review channel where we're going to be posting about three to seven more videos a week so it's a great way to just get more watch content coming your way every single week but guys thank you again so much for watching be well and i will see you all very soon

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Length: 28min 47sec (1727 seconds)

Published: Wed Mar 24 2021

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[u/BluedHands]

I don't always agree with the guy, but he's putting himself out there and making content which is more than I can say for myself. Good stuff.

[u/Mateo_87]

T/Bulbasaur

[u/GTOdriver04]

Teddy is a good reviewer, and someone who I respect a fair bit. Watches are subjective, and while he and I don’t always align, he’s cool and makes his videos fun and accessible.

For me, a watch with a third-party movement isn’t a bad thing at all. Lots of companies make them, and if a small, boutique company wants to make watches but doesn’t want to invest the time and money in developing the movement, I can see why this is a good option.

Even my newest Timex Marlin that I bought myself for Christmas has a Miyota movement. The counterweight is very jerky, and I hate that about it, but it keeps good time and runs well. So I can’t hate on it too much.

Fair play from me.

[u/Admit-to-IM]

This is a great video.

Researching movements can be hard and dense and when I first became interested in watches wasn't something I was remotely familiar with. On forums and here, people have very strong feelings and judgments about movements but it's kind of all over the place. One person says the NH35 is "terrible" while another calls it a "workhorse and reliable." One person swears by a sellita movement and the next person swears off the same movement. It can be confusing. It's also confusing to know how much weight should I be putting into the movement at all? I recall seeing a watch I really liked, read a lot of reviews and comments about it and one person called the Miyota 8000 series movement a deal breaker and that really stuck with me - 1 person out of hundreds of comments; most people didn't seem to mind it but for him/her, it was so aggravating they would never even consider watch.

Not only that, but I will venture a guess that most people discussing movements on a forum are not watchmakers and have limited first hand practical knowledge of any movement. People with strong opinions probably had an anecdotal bad experience which biased their view of the movement in general.

Overall, the video is very informative and digestible.

[u/BluedHands]

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[u/ShadowDancer11]

This is a wonderful video put together by a famous watch reviewer on YouTube. I respect the fact that he took the time to put all this together which by no means, if you’ve ever done video production, is an easy task.

I would expect the research time you put into this took about a month and then script and post editing was an additional week, minimum.

I always wondered about third-party movements different references, their advantages and disadvantages, possibly who else uses them and why? Many of those questions are answered in this roughly 30 minute video.

[u/aloofsavior]

The movement not being "in-house" was actually a selling point when I was buying my IWC Mark XVIII because I wanted something reliable and cheap to service. There are tons of great third party movements and shouldn't be scoffed at by watch guys

[u/Bronzyroller]

I gotta give Ted credit, he's putting out good stuff and has his own shop up and running, so he is doing his thing. His videos are getting a bit addicting, I kinda look for what's next from him in terms of moving from Seiko 5 to Vacheron in his reviews and great content. Hats off.