Origins: Noah’s Flood Genetics

what evidence do we have for Adam and Eve Noah's Flood in the Tower of Babel event in the human genome historical claims about human history in the Bible are quite clear yet most evolutionists reject these claims based on a superficial study of available genetic data our guest today will reveal not only can the claims be tested they can be confirmed coming up on today's edition of origins Noah's Flood genetics with dr. Rob Carter [Music] [Applause] [Music] hello my friends and welcome to origins my name is dawn Chapman it's my privilege to be your host during this program we showcase interesting guests who present evidence from science along with other important facts validating the truth of creation and the accuracy of the Bible today's guest dr. Robert Carter did his undergraduate work at Georgia Tech and thereunder PhD in marine biology at the University of Miami currently he's a popular and much in demand speaker for creation Ministries International the u.s. office being in Atlanta Georgia his research centers on human genetics human history and other issues related to biblical creation dr. Carter always love it when you are guest you do a great job for us what are we gonna talk about today we're going to look at our origins with Adam and Eve yeah and then the genetic effects of Noah's Flood and the Tower of Babel all right well that's fascinating will you go to the board and help us alright in any study scientific study using the Bible as a basis we have to acknowledge the Bible claims to be the history book of the universe and so just starting with that as an assumption let's see if this history actually fits what we've discovered in human genetics over the last you know a couple of decades the Bible specifically claims that God created all things in six days and created people on the sixth day of creation but it only started with two people Adam and Eve Genesis 2:7 then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living creature noticed there's no evolutionary history of mankind here we didn't evolved from monkeys we were created specifically by God by God Adam but whereas a woman come from well the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up his place with flesh and the rib the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man so we started with two people that is a profound statement about genetics right there because that influences the way people should look today if we only started with two people but about 1,600 years later something happened the whole world population was reduced to eight people at the time of Noah's Flood now if you just add up the ages given to us in the Bible Noah was born about one thousand fifty six years after creation or a no Mundy year of the world okay here the world was made yeah it's a neat way to date things the Bible says in Genesis seven Noah was 600 years old when the flood waters came upon the earth so Noah's Flood was about 1600 am i round it off so the question we have is how many people could have been on the earth after 1600 years that's gonna influence the genetics of the people after the flood starting with - starting with - how many could you possibly get well since we don't know how far part the children are or how many children on average per couple or how old the women are when they stop having children - all these things we don't know a friend and I we actually published this in our Journal of creation a couple of years ago we wrote a massive computer program it's a population modeling program we threw all those parameters in there including the rate of twins being born and whether or not there's polygamy in the society and all those things have a little effect and each of these bars as a results of a hundred computer runs that's the average now depending on how far apart the children are and and how young the woman's start having children we showed that some population can go extinct yeah and some populations can grow it up to eight percent no an eight percent population growth the population doubles every nine years oh so that's a massive population so now how fast did it grow I don't know but somewhere in that range even with slow growth slow growing populations we got thousands of people in just a couple of hundred years after creation now these three curves this is how old the woman is when they start having children so if they wait until they're 80 years old so Adam and Eve's first daughter has to be 80 years old before she has our first child even with delay we've got about 8,000 people after about 400 years huh so how many people at the flood it could have been Millions I suspect from the genetics that it wasn't I think it was much smaller than that but the possibility for a massive population is there my best guess would be hundreds to thousands of people at the flood and then Noah's family was picked from that group Genesis chapter 9 gives us another statement about genetics the sons of Noah who went forth from the ark were shem ham and japheth these three were the sons of Noah and from these the people of the whole earth were dispersed the Bible says there that all people on earth came from three couples Shem ham and Japheth and their three sons that's a profound statement is it possible just 4,500 years ago actually yeah but is one more thing that happens with human genetics in the Bible that's the Tower of Babel event where a couple of generations after the flood the people are already acting wickedly so the Lord dispersed them from there that's Babel over the face of all the earth and they left off building the city when did that happen that's a great question when Genesis chapter 10 it says to Eber descendant of Shem to Eber were born two sons the named one was Peleg for in his day the earth was divided and his brother's name was Joktan now people debate over what this division means some people say that was continental drift know some people say although that was um the land flooded and therefore that we you know people got divided I don't think so the context here is a Tower of Babel okay so the context of the tower Babel happened during the life of Peleg and adding up the ages from Shem to Eber to Peleg we if you add up all these ages you get but 101 and that's when Peleg was born about nominally in 340 years that's when he died that's when the tower Babel should have happened a couple of centuries after the flood okay now how many people could have believed then that remember that last slide the slide a couple slides ago when I showed those curves going upwards you could easily have had thousands of people at the Tower of Babel looking at the potential growth rate of human populations we can actually ask the question how come they're only 7 billion people yeah and my answer is most people ever born died of starvation disease or warfare because the population could have grown much much much faster than it actually did there's another interesting genetic thing and that is the Exodus so the Bible says that 70 people went to Egypt but Exodus 12 says that about 600,000 fighting males left Egypt if you have 600,000 fighting aged men your population you have to have about the same number of women plus old people plus young people the population is some people estimate somewhere around 2.7 million Hebrews left Egypt can you go from 70 to 2.7 million and 480 years can you what do you think I think we did I think we did but that's a big difference isn't it oh okay well let's look at this first of all in that same computer model we started with 70 people and in this case we're saying the children are one year apart two year apart three four or five years apart on average not that every woman always had a child every one year but at the minimum it was was that was her setting for a model and what we showed then over 480 years every single model we ran had more than our required 2.7 million people so it's easy to get that number of Hebrews in 480 years starting from 70 people now granted this is that's ridiculous all right these numbers that's that's not a number but but that's not possible but this is possible the land can't hold that many people it can't hold that many and you can get that big in that much time but some scholars believe that the sojourn was only two hundred and fifteen years long fine well we ran that model also and after two hundred and fifteen years a number of our computer models had more than that 2.7 million people that are required and the answer is all you have to do is have children spaced very closely together that's very interesting stuff and it's just really fun to apply computer models to genetics and biblical history just to see what we could do now I stole this from a government website and is their fault it's not the best picture in the world but they're saying here that this is the population size over time going all the way back to you know they believe way before before the Bible says the world was created but essentially there's about a million people alive across the world for tens of thousands of years and all of a sudden somebody invents farming and that means that extra population can be handled because there's more food and on all of a sudden the population does that and we have seven billion people today so you could see how food is intrical to living so it's basically survival mode for thousands of years yeah but did this really exist no and how come the people with the same genes back here who were just as smartest people here they didn't think of planting something in the ground harvesting at the next year this is really magic back here right taking that thought I applied that to a biblical idea where this is the flood this is today and starting from those six people all you have to do is double the number of people every 156 years and you arrive at 7 billion people after four thousand five hundred years that's a growth rate of pulling 4% remember so some of my models had 8% growth right now it's ridiculous populations don't grow that fast but they could theoretically but that is incredibly slow and in fact just about any model as any growth at all you can get this many people in those many years so the the human population size is actually is a biblical human population size if evolution was true and we existed for so many thousand years before that there should be trillions of people not that it's possible yeah or someone should have vented farming earlier than that or or another way to ask it is this if a million people live for about a million years we're the trillions of bodies that's a really good question they don't exist there's no bones down there yeah there are some ancient bones we found great but those are post flood people there should be millions upon millions upon millions of cemeteries old villages and you know remains of people we don't find them I believe it's cuz they didn't exist now looking at the Adam and Eve story we can make some predictions first if we only started with two people all the people today should have a low genetic diversity if we started with millions of people you can have a lot of genes floating around in a population of million strong but if you only started with two people that restricts the diversity today if the Bible is correct and Adam is really is our ancestor there should only be one male ancestor of humanity and the mitochondrial DNA the mtDNA that's a little piece of DNA it's only inherited from your mother all people get it from their mother well that means we can build a family tree of all the females in the world and it should only be one female ancestor of everyone on earth today if evolution is true that shouldn't be true and none of those have to be true but also most genes should come in two versions because Eve was taken from Adam she probably got Adams genome except for the Y chromosome but Adam only has two copies of each gene so you can only have two versions of each gene turns out this is eggs luckily what we have found in modern human genetics huh what's the chance of the Bible being made up and the biblical story actually mirrors what we actually see in human genetics today it's amazing totally amazing absolutely well look at Noah's Flood Noah's Flood tells all people should be close related it tells us you should only be a few mitochondrial DNA lines as shem ham and japheth wives right and only one y chromosome because it's only Noah his three sons would have inherited his Y chromosome and the other Y chromosome diversity before the flood is gone and we should have evidence of rapid population growth we saw that a minute ago turns out that this is exactly what we find in modern genetics though Noah's Flood story also why and only a few of the ladies gene yeah exactly didn't have to be true and in the Tower of Babel account we have discovered a single dispersed of all people in the relatively recent past traveling in small people groups into uninhabited territory through the Middle East they call it the Out of Africa story but these are all biblical predictions right here single dispersal wall at one time relatively recent past traveling in small groups to uninhabited areas throughout the Middle East that's exactly what happened yes the only they think it's a little further south in Africa you think it's a little further north in the starting point is a little different the same patterns predicted exactly and they're totally agreeing with you on that yes except they wanted here as a starting point right but the Bible says this yes interestingly I'm sure you've had people on your show talking about the biblical Ice Age mm-hmm during that Ice Age which was approximately the same time as a Tower of Babel oh you could have walked from here to Ireland on dry ground sure you could have walked to Tasmania the only or the only deep water part you have to cross is a place between these two little islands Bali and Lombok and you can see one island from the other it's right there it's not and you could walk all the way down to here on dry ground at one point in history not any other point in history it all adds up it does if we look at the evolutionary out of africa story that's a Tower of Babel story right there okay now they want to push the origin way down deep in here but that's actually bad graphic artists put it there it should be up here because this is what the greatest amount of diversity but they put it there because they can't put it there they could not put it there and if we just look at the history of man and compare it to the evolutionary timeline and the biblical timeline so they believe that about a million Homo erectus has lived in Africa and Asia for about a million years and then something happened our population was reduced to they say an effective population size of about 10,000 people that's called extinction and there's about that many cheetahs in in Africa today and all the population biologists think they're gonna go extinct a lot of them they're worried about cheetahs well somehow during this catastrophic event modern humans evolved and then we spread out of africa and covered the world well the biblical timeline says we started with Adam and Eve a few thousand years ago when to some unknown number before the flood were reduced to eight Souls during Noah's Flood and then a couple hundred years later we hit the Tower of Babel event when we spread out across the world do you know why the evolutionist has this dip though right there because they're trying to explain how come all people across the world are so similar to one another they didn't predict it from their timeline because this many people million people you have a lot of genetic diversity in there so the genome is driving them back to a small number yes they were you have an explanation for it they really don't yeah they were forced to do it because of the data the Bible predicted that yes that's really neat now let's take a step back and let's look at some some data from world populations this is some data from from a major multi-million dollar study where they looked at genetic diversity amongst people across the world and what I did I pulled that data and I made this chart and this is the allele frequency is how many people in the world have a particular gene and so you can see there are some genes that are very rare and they're found a lot of people some genes are very common found a lot of people there's not so many genes in the middle if we started with Adam and Eve I suspect that just about all the genes would be at 50% because Adam had to each chromosome that's we own one plus one is you know each one is 50% how can we have this pattern if we expect that pattern well I happen to over it in a computer model to handle this also and what this what is what this is is I start with Adam and Eve and here's their 50/50 genes right there in the background and every 100 years I save the pattern of genes in this pop and population on the computer and I ran it for 6,000 years and right here this plateau that's known as flood where I pick eight people have the population 3 from her brothers and I reset it and a hundred years after the flood genetic diversity drops these wings right here those are genes that are lost from the population if something original in Adam and Eve but by the time you get to here everyone in the world has that gene or no one in the world has a gene that's what those two wings are now looking at this look at this how do we is this real mean is that does that match this and the answer is yeah this smile right here and that's that's gonna happen right there okay now this is a population of a thousand people if I did the population of 500 people this gets flatter there's all sorts of ways in fact if if Noah and his family were all closely related to one another I picked out random women from the population what if they're sisters that gets flattered and so computer models we're getting to the point where we're looking this and this or saying these are very similar things that's really fascinating we need to take a break and we'll come back and pick up right there so don't you go away [Music] [Music] we are backwards dr. Rob Carter now it seems to me that your genetics fits perfectly with the numbers when we look to the past how's the future look well actually the future doesn't look very good and there's several different ways we can spin this first of all you've got about a hundred trillion cells in your body okay every single possible genetic mutation exists in you because every time your cells divide they add more letter mistakes yeah but it's happily we don't pass on our skin cells which have most of the mutations to our children but even in a reproductive cells they also pick up mutations and every child born has probably about a hundred brand-new mutations sometimes more sometimes less but that's really bad natural selection would have to remove them to prevent us from going extinct eventually and so because of that every possible genetic mutation is passed on into the next generation hundreds if not thousands of times over that's that's tremendously bad for a population fact geneticists can't explain how a population could survive for long periods of time with that mutation rate I wrote another paper with a dear friend of mine John Sanford and we were looking at the influenza genome now the flu is under strong natural selection because it's at war with the human immune system the only flus that get passed on are the ones that escape the human immune system that's called natural selection you got to get past the filter and we looked at sequence flu viruses all the way back to 1918 and we discovered this chart what this is is um how many mutations are in the virus over time and this straight line increase means that natural selection is not removing the mutations no even though it's under natural selection natural selection is only preventing the accumulation of the ones that are really bad but enough of them accumulated over time that the human h1n1 virus the big one that kills so many people right after World War one right one extinct in 2009 okay Scott yeah that virus could not withstand that number of mutations now fast-forward to the human population we are not going to last for millions of years and if we can't last for millions of years into the future we could not have existed millions of years in the past so this has a not just a dire warning for the future it speaks to the fact that we aren't that old we can't be that old can't be but I'm not granted the the flu virus has a higher mutation rate mm-hmm but there's been enough generations and people that we can extrapolate at 100 mutations per person over time we will not be here a million years hence so the millions and millions of years that the evolutionist wants for our development can't be given give understanding mutations that's right okay and even allowing for natural selection so that is not their Savior so if we can summarize all these things that we've said please it appears that all humans descend from one man and one woman we call that Adam and Eve we can conclude that the flood was not a genetic disaster it wouldn't have led to the extinction of the population it would have caused a flattening of the allele frequency distribution but not extinction okay we can see the Tower of Babel in our genes the way the genes are spread out around the world I mean screaming Tower of Babel it's easy to get seven billion people and yet the same time mutations are driving us to extinction it lines up with the Bible perfectly as it does it lines up with a young earth perfect yes it does and genetics has brought a whole new dimension to this debate hazard oh yeah genetics has been able to we've been able to confirm major biblical statements using genetics that's amazing folks I hope that you've appreciated as I have dr. Carter's work I don't know how many times in there he said we wrote a paper and his his research and study is fascinating and the more he digs the more he brings us back to the truth of Scripture we see it in Adam and Eve we see it in the flood we see it in the Tower of Babel we see it in history today I hope that this confirms your faith I hope you'll join us again soon here on origins remember it's God's view that he created you that should be your cue to see you again soon here on origin you origins is made possible by the faithful prayers and financial support of you our cornerstone family you

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Keywords: Noah's Flood, Origins, Adam and Eve, Theology, Genetics, Genesis, Bible

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Length: 26min 31sec (1591 seconds)

Published: Thu Jan 05 2017

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[u/nomenmeum]

I love this series. In this episode, Dr. Robert Carter demonstrates a number of genetic/population predictions which support the biblical narrative.

[u/allenwjones]

Good stuff, thanks!