New Details On Why Pence Refused To Get In Secret Service Car On Jan. 6

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PERRY, HAVE COVERED UP THEIR OWN INVOLVEMENT. MORE ON THAT LATER IN THE SHOW AS WELL. BUT FIRST, THERE IS A QUEUE STORY ABOUT JANUARY 6TH THAT HAS BEEN, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT ALL THIS TIME. AND WE ARE LEARNING MORE ABOUT IT IN WAYS THAT I THINK THAT JUST SOMETHING NEW, A NEWER DIMENSION, TO WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY. IT IS THE STORY OF HOW TENSIONS ROSE BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT, AND HIS VICE PRESIDENT, MIKE PENCE, AS TRUMP ATTENTIVE TO GET PENCE TO DO HIS BIDDING. AND OVERTURN THE ELECTION FOR HIM. EFFECTIVELY, UNILATERALLY AND LAWLESSLY. NOW, WE KNOW THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MOMENT WHEN PENCE'S REFUSAL TO COMPLY AND SUBVERT THE WILL OF THE VOTERS CAME TO A HEAD. BUT TO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT SCENE HAS TAKEN A MUCH DARKER TONE AS WE HAVE LEARNED MORE DETAILS. SO, ON THE MORNING OF JANUARY 6TH, TRUMP MADE ONE LAST APPEAL TO PENCE AT THE HUGE RALLY AT THE ELLIPSE, THOUGH IT SOUNDED, FRANKLY, MORE LIKE A THREAT. >> MIKE PENCE, I HOPE YOU ARE GOING TO STAND UP FOR THE GOOD OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY. AND IF YOU ARE NOT, I WILL BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU. I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. >> WE THEN WATCHED AS THE MOB AT TRUMP'S URGING, MARCH TO THE CAPITOL WHERE THEY BROKE IN AND RANSACKED THE BUILDING. THEY ASSAULTED POLICE OFFICERS, BROWN TO THE HALLS, CHANTING, HANG MIKE PENCE! HANG MIKE PENCE! SOME OF THEM, EVEN A -- A NOOSE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. AND AS THE DANGER BECAME APPARENT, THE SECRET SERVICE EVACUATED THE VICE PRESIDENT FROM THE SENATE CHAMBER. HE WAS PRESIDING OVER THE PROCEEDINGS AS STIPULATED IN THE CONSTITUTION AND AMERICAN LAW. WE KNOW, THANKS TO REPORTING FROM WASHINGTON POST JOURNALIST -- THAT PENCE FIRST WENT TO HIS CEREMONIAL OFFICE AT THE CAPITOL WHERE HE WAS PROTECTED BY SECRET SERVICE AGENTS, BUT VULNERABLE BECAUSE THE SECOND FLOOR OFFICE HAD WINDOWS. AND THOSE WINDOWS COULD BE BREACHED. THUGS HAD GAINED CONTROL OF THE BUILDING. PENCE REFUSED TO REQUESTS FROM THE AGENTS IN CHARGE OF HIS DETAILED TO EVACUATE THE BUILDING SAYING, QUOTE, I AM NOT LEAVING THE CAPITAL. AGAIN, RUTGER, THE LAST THING -- PEOPLE ATTACKING THE CAPITOL TO SEE HIS 20 CAR MOTORCADE FLEEING. THAT WOULD ONLY VINDICATE THEIR INSURRECTION. THE THIRD TIME THE SECRET SERVICE ASKED, IT WAS MORE OF AN ORDER THAN A REQUEST. THEY MOVED PENCE DOWN A STAIRCASE TO A SECURE SUBTERRANEAN AREA, WHERE HIS ARMORED LIMOUSINE AWAITED. ABC NEWS REPORTER DESCRIBE THE SCENE THERE AND THAT'S UP TO RAINEY AND SHAVER AS HE SAW IT IN OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE PHOTOS THAT PENCE HAS NOT ALLOWED TO BE PUBLISHED. >> HE WAS IN A LOADING DOCK, AND UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE, BENEATH THE CAPITOL COMPLEX. NO PLACE TO SIT. NO DESK, NO CHAIRS, NO ANYTHING. HE WAS IN A CONCRETE PARKING GARAGE. AND WITH HIS FAMILY. THIS IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HE IS LIKE HOLD UP IN A BASEMENT. ONE OF THEM IS AS CHIEF OF STAFF, MARK SURE, SHOWING HIM HIS PHONE AND IT IS THE TWEET OF TRUMP SAYING, MIKE PENCE DIDN'T HAVE THE COURAGE. THIS IS THE GUY WHO LIKE FLED FROM THE RIOTERS. AND TRUMP IS SAYING HE DID NOT THE COURAGE. AND YOU SEE IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE PENCE IS GRIMACING, BUT YOU CAN NEVER REALLY TELL. >> NOW, LISTEN TO JAMIE RASKIN, MEMBER OF THE JANUARY SIX COMMITTEE, WHO HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING THIS FOR NINE MONTHS, DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT. >> SO, WHEN HIS SECRET SERVICE AGENTS, INCLUDING ONE OF THEM WHO WAS CARRYING THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL WITH HIM, WOULD CHASED OUT BY THESE NEO-FASCISTS AND THEY RAN DOWN TO SOME STILL UNDISCLOSED, MYSTERIOUS PLACE, AND THE CAPITAL, HE UTTERED WHAT I THINK ARE THE SIXTH MOST CHILLING WORDS IN THIS ENTIRE THING I'VE SEEN SO FAR. HE SAID, I'M NOT GETTING IN THAT CAR. >> THAT IS THE MOMENT IT ALL CAME DOWN TO, AFTER ALL THE PRESSURE FROM TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES. TO GET MIKE PENCE TO DO THEIR BIDDING AND KEEP DONALD TRUMP IN OFFICE. THE INSURRECTIONIST BOB HAD BREACHED THE -- AND THEY WANT TO TAKE HIM AWAY FROM THE CAPITAL, BUT HE REFUSES TO GO. WHY DOES HE REFUSE TO GO? WELL, PENCE'S OWN CHIEF OF STAFF SAYS THE VICE PRESIDENT DID NOT WANT HIS EVACUATION TO BE THE INDELIBLE IMAGE SENT AROUND THE WORLD. >> HE SAID, I'M NOT LEAVING. AND THE REASON HE SAID HE'S NOT LEAVING US BECAUSE HE SAID, HE DID NOT WANT OUR ADVERSARIES ACROSS THE GLOBE TO SEE A 15 CAR MOTORCADE FLEEING THE CAPITAL. HE EXERTED OF NORMA'S LEADERSHIP UNDER ENORMOUS PRESSURE. AND I THINK HE, AGAIN, DESPITE EFFORTS TO EVACUATE, HE SAID, I DON'T WANT THAT VISUAL FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. I'M GOING TO STAY HERE. >> THAT IS WHAT HE SAYS. THIS IS AN IMAGE HE DOESN'T WANT TO PROJECT TO THE WORLD, SO I WILL STAY HERE FOR SYMBOLIC PURPOSES, ESSENTIALLY. BUT PENCE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE THE CAPITOL COMPLEX THAT DAY, DESPITE THE TEAR UNFOLDING. FOR EXAMPLE, DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN -- OF ARIZONA, DESCRIBED ANOTHER IMMEDIATE TACTICAL REASON FOR STAYING PUT. >> I SAW A BUNCH OF BUSES AND THEY WERE BUSES TO EVACUATE US. LET ME TELL YOU, IN QUDS, WHEN YOU LEAVE THE CAPITOL, YOU HAVE LOST. AND SO, I STARTED TEXTING EVERY MEMBER THAT I COULD IN ALL OF OUR TAX CHAINS, LIKE, DO NOT LEAVE. IF THEY TELL YOU TO LEAVE, DO NOT LEAVE. WE ARE SAFE HERE. IF WE CAN ALMOST BOSSES, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WILL COME BACK. >> I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT. IF WE CAN ON THOSE PASSES, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE WE'RE COMING BACK. WHO IS HAPPENING, IT'S A LEGISLATOR SLEEVE, ALL BETS ARE OFF. SO, OCCUPYING THE PHYSICAL SPACE OF THE BUILDING IN HIS ESTIMATION, WHO IS ACTUALLY KEY TO REPELLING THE COUP. THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM OF THE PR RAMIFICATIONS OF SYMBOLIC IMAGE OF THE MOTORCADE. THAT IS THE DARKER INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WAS GOING ON WHEN MIKE PENCE REFUSED TO LEAVE. RIGHT? HE WASN'T JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE IMAGE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT THING WITH LOOK TO THE WORLD, NO, HE WAS ACTUALLY ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTAINING CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. OF THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER THAT HIS ROLE ON JANUARY 6TH WAS TO PRESIDE OVER THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER AND IF THE RIOTOUS MOM, PROPELLED BY DONALD TRUMP, THOUGH -- WHERE HE HAD THAT DUTY, HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETURN TO FINISH THE JOB OF OVERSEEING THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER. NOW, THAT WOULD'VE ALLOWED THE COUP TO ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE. AND THAT INTERPRETATION, THE FAR DARKER ONE, THE MORE DANGEROUS ONE, THE WHILE WE CAME CLOSE ONE, THAT INTERPRETATION LOOKS MORE AND MORE LIKELY AS NEW FACTS COME TO LIGHT, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE SECRET SERVICE ON JANUARY 6TH. SO, ON FRIDAY, NEW TESTIMONY RELEASED BY THE COMMITTEE RELEASED THAT A SECRET SERVICE OFFICIAL WARNED MARK MEADOWS ABOUT POTENTIAL VIOLENCE AHEAD OF JANUARY 6TH. AND THE ROLE -- IS REPORTING THAT THE COMMITTEE APPEARS TO BE EXAMINING THAT OFFICIAL NAMED ANTHONY ARE NATO. A SOURCE SAYS THAT TRUMP GAVE HIM A BIG WHITE HOUSE JOBS -- IN PART BECAUSE OF HIS LOYALTY. NOW, HE PREVIOUSLY HELPED COORDINATE TRUMP'S MARCH THROUGH LAFAYETTE SQUARE, FOR THE PHOTOSHOP OF THE BIBLE. -- ON JANUARY 6TH, HE WAS OVERSEEING SECRET SERVICE MOVEMENTS. -- REPORT THAT WHEN PENCE WAS IN THAT SECURE UNDERGROUND AREA OF THE CAPITA, HE TOLD KEITH KELLOGG THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT'S SECURITY DETAIL WAS PLANNING TO MOVE TO JOIN BASE. KELLOGG REPLIED THAT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, LEAVE HIM WHERE HE IS THAT. HE HAS GOT A JOB TO DO AND I KNOW YOU GUYS TOO WELL. YOU WILL FLY HIM TO ALASKA IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE. DON'T DO IT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. THAT SURE SOUNDS LIKE HE WAS A TRUMP LOYALIST IN CHARGE OF TRUMP'S SECURITY MOVEMENTS. TRYING TO HELP TRUMP DO -- BUILDING WHERE HE WAS TO OVERSEE -- CONGRESSMAN JAMIE RASKIN LAYS IT UP CLEARLY. >> THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS, WHO PRESUMABLY ARE REPORTING TO TRUMP'S SECRET SERVICE AGENTS, WE'RE TRYING TO SPIRIT HIM OFF OF THE CAMPUS, AND HE SAID, I'M NOT GETTING INTO THAT CAR. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THIS INSIDE COUP THEY HAD PLANNED FOR WAS GOING TO DO. THIS WAS NOT A COUP DIRECTED AT THE PRESIDENT. IT WAS A COUP DIRECTED BY THE PRESIDENT AGAINST THE VICE PRESIDENT AND AGAINST THE CONGRESS. >> THAT IS WHY PENCE'S WORDS IN THAT MOMENT, I'M NOT GETTING IN THAT CAR, WE'RE ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE IMAGE HE WOULD SEND TO THE WORLD. IT APPEARS THEY WERE ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL DESIRE FROM THE EX PRESIDENT AND HIS LOYALIST TO, AGAIN, ESSENTIALLY IN THAT MOMENT, RUPTURE THE ENTIRE
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Channel: MSNBC
Views: 6,930,714
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Keywords: Chris Hayes, mike pence, january 6, trump, 2020 election, capitol attack, msnbc, us news, news
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Length: 9min 24sec (564 seconds)
Published: Mon Apr 25 2022
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