>> 2004 WAS THE ONLY TIME THE REPUBLICANS WON THE POPULAR VOTE IN THIS CENTURY. THERE IS ALARM AMONG DEMOCRATS ABOUT THIS. THEY DO PERCEIVE THIS IS A MUCH GREATER THREAT TO THEIR CHANCES THAN TO DONALD TRUMP OR WHOEVER THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE MIGHT BE. SUSAN, TALK ABOUT THE PIECE YOU GUYS WROTE. YOU KNOW, ILLUMINATE US AS TO THE ARTICLE YOU'RE WRITING. WHAT IS THE ONE THING JOE BIDEN COULD DO? >> ACTUALLY, IF WE COULD CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE OF WHO IS VOTING IN THE PRIMARY PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO NONAFFILIATED VOTERS. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S -- WE KNOW OVERWHELMINGLY, VOTERS NOW SELF-IDENTIFY AS INDEPENDENT. BUT THERE'S REGISTRATION NUMBERS WHICH ARE DIFFERENT. THOSE ARE VOTERS. THAT'S HOW THEY CHOOSE TO, QUOTE, NOT LABEL THEMSELVES. SO IF YOU COULD CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, WHERE IT IS ALREADY PRACTICE, IF YOU GET A BIG, INDEPENDENT, NONAFFILIATED TURNOUT FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN DONALD TRUMP IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY BECAUSE THERE'S NO COMPETITION ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, THAT TURNOUT BECOMES HIGHER, IT CAN INFLUENCE HOW THE PRIMARY GOES. BUT ALSO, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR NO LABELS. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND -- I BELIEVE THEY'RE STARTING OUT WITH GOOD INTENTION, BUT IF THEY COULDBEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'D TAKE THEIR COMMITMENT TO ENERGY, AND USE IT FOR GOOD. >> THERE ARE 27 STATES IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE OPEN PRIMARIES, MEANING IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER, NONAFFILIATED VOTERS WHO HAVEN'T REGISTERED AS DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN CAN VOTE IN THE PRIMARY. BUT THE TURNOUT OF THOSE NONAFFILIATED VOTERS IN PRIMARIES IS REALLY, REALLY LOW. WHAT WE THINK NO LABELS COULD DO, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. THEY WANT A ROLE HERE. THEY RAISED ALMOST $70 MILLION, WHICH WAS THEIR TARGET. THEY'RE GOING TO BE A FACTOR. BUT THEY'VE ALSO VOWED THAT THEY DO NOT WANT DONALD TRUMP RE-ELECTED AS PRESIDENT SO -- >> BY THE WAY, CAN WE STOP THERE FOR ONE SECOND? LET'S UNDERLINE THAT. THEY ARE NO LABELS. THERE IS NO DOUBT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE DEMOCRATIC CONSULTANT, THEY'RE ALL FREAKING OUT ABOUT NO LABELS. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT NO LABELS, THAT ORGANIZATION, KNOWS THEY REALLY -- THERE ARE NO LABELS, BUT THEY HAVE ONE GOAL. ONE GOAL. THAT IS THAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOT ELECTED PRESIDENT IN 2024. >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S THEIR GOAL. THEY HOPE MAYBE IT TAKES THE FORM OF AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE, BUT, AGAIN, I'VE GOT NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT. I JUST DON'T, ALL RIGHT? I DON'T. I'M TELLING YOU, I HEAR ALL THE WHINING ABOUT NO LABELS. IT CUTS AGAINST EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD AND I KNOW FROM REPORTING ON THAT ORGANIZATION. ONE GOAL IN MIND. STOP DONALD TRUMP. FORGIVE ME FOR SLOWING DOWN, IT'S JUST I'VE HEARD THIS WHINING FOR SO LONG. PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS. WHO KNOWS? MAYBE THEY'RE ALL LIARS. MAYBE THEY'RE ALL LIARS AT NO LABELS. MAYBE THEY'RE LYING. MAYBE THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING ME FOR A YEAR. BUT FOR A YEAR, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN SAYING, "THIS IS OUR ONLY GOAL." >> GIVEN IT IS THEIR ONLY GOAL, AND IT'S THE RIGHT GOAL, WHAT SUSAN AND I BELIEVE IS THEY HAVE THE WRONG TACTIC. DON'T RUN A THIRD PARTY PRESIDENTIAL TICKET IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. GO TO THE PRIMARY PROCESS. GET THOSE NONAFFILIATED VOTERS TO VOTE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. MODERATE CENTRIST VOTE CAN ELECT IN THE REPUBLICAN PROCESS. >> BY THE WAY, THIS IS A BRILLIANT APPROACH. GO AHEAD. >> HAVE THEM VOTE, SPEND THEIR MONEY THERE, MAKE SURE DONALD TRUMP IS NOT CROWNED THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, AND THAT WAY, THEY CAN ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL. NOT THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT. >> BRILLIANT APPROACH. >> SUSAN, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY SENSE THEY'RE ASKING THIS? THEY SEEM HELL BENT ON RUNNING A CANDIDATE. TO JOE'S POINT, THEY HAVE A STATE ADMISSION TO NOT ELECT DONALD TRUMP, BUT EVERYONE IS WORRIED THEY MAY INADVERTENTLY DO SO, UNLESS THEY DO SHIFT TACTICS AND POTENTIALLY PULL THE PLUG ON THIS BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN VOTES START BEING CAST. >> RIGHT. I BELIEVE THEIR OBJECTIVE IS TO STOP DONALD TRUMP, BUT NOW THEY NEED AN OFF-RAMP. >> RIGHT. >> THEY'VE RAISED ALL THIS MONEY. THEY WANT TO HAVE A SAY IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE. SO EITHER YOU DO A THIRD PARTY AND YOU LOSE, OR YOU PICK ANOTHER WAY OF GOING AND USING THAT ENERGY AND THOSE RESOURCES. THAT'S WHY TOM AND I THOUGHT, LET'S GIVE THEM AN OFF-RAMP. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. NO
