NDI 5 REMOTE – Setup and Operation

hello everyone welcome back to streaming alchemy i'm john mahoney and on today's show we're going to be taking a look at ndi5 remote which is a lightweight remote camera capability that's been added to the ndi5 toolset but before we get into that i'd like to invite everyone if you have any questions if you have any suggestions or thoughts about the topic please just post them in the comments below or if you'd like to join us live on air we have a link in the show notes that will connect you to the studio and somebody here will be able to get you on and running so let's actually get started here remote is an interesting new tool in the ndi toolkit so everybody's really been focused a lot on ndi bridge and that is an incredibly powerful capability that's being built into this new ndi5 remote is kind of the little step brother kind of application in the mix what remote will let you do is take a remote audio or video source that is visible to a browser transport that over the web and let you pull that into your production as an ndi feed with both audio and video coming from that remote location so it is based on a technology called webrtc which has been around now for probably you know the better part of six or seven years in in actual production situations and is is becoming pretty mature so that that's a great choice for technology it's supported directly in almost every modern browser including browsers in mobile devices which means that remote is not just able to take something from a desktop or laptop pc but also directly from a phone or a tablet so that can be a very powerful attribute to how you can leverage ndi remote the thing to keep in mind though is ndi remote is about connecting to a remote camera not having a remote conversation and that's really important because we tend to think when we think of webrtc as a two-way channel where i can get something from you and you can get something from me and we can go back and forth ndi remote is specifically about taking a source audio video and moving it into a studio so it really has a different intended purpose from the conversational uses of webrtc so to get started uh i'm assuming that if you've uh interested in this you've already downloaded ndi5 if not that's at ndi.tv and you can fill in the forms to get the download link sent to you but if you take a look once you have it down ndi5 has a new sort of start screen where you have all of the applications that are laid out that you can access through ndi and down here is ndi remote and so we already have it open so let me just pop this out of the way and here is ndi remote it breaks into two sections one is called my connections and in my connections it lets you set up i believe up to eight individual links that you can give out to people that they can use to connect to you in your studio the other piece is something called incoming connections and an incoming connection is really the flip of this it is the ability for somebody else to send you a link so you can bring them into the studio and both of these are actually very powerful in different types of situations so before i jump into how this all works let me just check the message board here so we have rudy dropping in rudy always great to see you thank you for joining us here we have peter from berlin peter thank you for coming in i know it's uh late at night for everybody in europe uh we also have samuel from norway samuel thank you again for you know being a part of the show here so peter f just asked a question as we get into this uh he said what about webrtc on android iphone with hd resolution i just get 720p in webrtc so i can't speak to it fully webrtc is not the limiting factor in our products we do 1080p through webrtc from a browser into uh a a production system so that it's not the protocol itself any limitations would be limitations within the device uh that you know what it allows you to access so i know there are two things so first in most uh remote mobile devices you have two cameras and the front-facing camera can often just be limited to 720p we've seen that with a lot of mobile devices where the back camera can be 1080 or 4k so they don't necessarily reflect the full resolution of the device but simply if you're accessing a front-facing camera that could be only 720p the other it can just be a limitation inside the software so for the longest time uh macs were if you use the facetime cameras they were only 720p so uh there's there's different things that are going to impact that resolution but it isn't webrtc itself which is actually good news because it means these types of technical solutions have a lot of room to grow and you know we'll be able to leverage better input technologies for all of these so thank you everybody oh we before i i won't we have dennis from rhode island dennis thank you we also have uh kent uh kent thanks for joining us you're you're coming in uh you know pretty regularly and i definitely appreciate that uh so we have rodney rodney thank you from tobago so uh well today we're in we're coming from new jersey so our weather may be even hotter here than in sunny tobago so thank you for joining us rodney i appreciate that uh so uh we have kiran from india quran thank you mike mike always great to see uh and we have ghee also ghee thank you so uh so ghee is actually asking if we could bump up the audio levels a little so uh we can see if we can take care of that so thank you gee so uh mike actually before we get him asked another question he says is it possible to use ndi remote to bring into vmix video and audio from a ptz camera at a remote location so quick answer is yes but you would still have to funnel that ptz camera through a web uh browser because that's the only way that ndi remote will operate uh that is something i will actually demonstrate so we have that schedule for later here so definitely something to uh to think about but you don't get ptz control when you bring it in as a webcam so you'd probably need another side channel to do the ptz control and at that point it might make more sense to use something like srt if you have to set up broader infrastructure but something we can definitely dive into later in the show so thanks mike so and claudia thank you for joining us from brazil uh uh and uh khan thank you from sweden so i am i am really grateful for all of you guys for uh taking the time to come in and join us here so thank you all right so let's get started here so let's first start with my connection so the my connections piece of ndi remote is where you get to send out a link to a remote potentially a remote camera source a remote guest however you'd like to to phrase that and they can then open that link in a browser and connect to your studio so let's take a look at how this would normally be set up so you can see we have i believe eight available connections in my connection and they all can be active simultaneously and what will happen is if i come in we'll just we'll just set up a new one to give you a demonstration you check the checkbox next to it to say i now want to start using this as a connection the next thing to do and this is important because it's something we all forget over time is set up a name so if you want to set this up this could be studio d so now i know when i send this link out it's a link i sent to studio d so if i need to call that in that will be how i'll be able to see that name and with that said i now have the ability to see the link that i can send them and so this link when you click on that little arrow in a box is going to come up and it will be scrolled across here you can also and this is what i'd recommend oh i lost that uh just go and click on this little box over here which is copy to clipboard so you'll copy that link and from there you can then uh paste it into a text message send it via email whatever works best for you connecting with the remote guest there is also a qr code here so if somebody had a mobile phone they could click on that and use that as a way to uh pull in the link so lots of different methods and you can also just leverage an email button here which will forward the link through your own email with a pre appended message around the link so lots of different ways to actually send this link out and when somebody opens this link right now i have a couple that are already set up so we'll do that for efficiency so if i were to open that link let me bring this over here and show you what it would look like uh so this is just a webcam i have sitting up over here that's coming in to a browser so uh not a not the greatest video source but very typical of something if you just wanted somebody to to jump in and say something quickly on a remote what i have across the bottom so let me explain what you're seeing here as you look at this the grid over here basically pops up lines so you get a better sense of of layout and proportion on the screen and that will really give you sort of your rule of thirds grid to position somebody against so that can be useful this middle button is your ndi camera mute so if i click this off and you'll see this here what i'm doing now it turns white and the video feed that would be being sent out from this browser is shut off you just get a freeze frame of the last frame that was sent out and then when i click it it will come back on uh i have the same now with a microphone this microphone is just mute and unmute so it makes it very easy for somebody uh that may be talking or getting ready to talk to just mute themselves until they're ready to go on this other button with the cameras and the rotating thing so this can be confusing because in a mobile device this is usually your way of switching between your front and your rear cameras in this case it will show you all of the available video sources you have and that can be really useful if you you know if you go in you have multiple camera sources and you can pick between them and you can even switch so if there were a reason uh that would be something that would be very easy to do uh when you pick it you just click on whichever one you want and you're done the next is uh if you're used to the ndi app the mobile app that that newtek has released what this will do is it will switch the resolutions and the bandwidth requirements for that app in this case it really is just a toggle between 720p and a 43 uh you know 480 p and so i am not sure i mean one of that was something that i was at least expecting that if i had a 16x9 camera it would go to something like 640 by 360 or you know an equivalent in in different regional uh formats so instead it actually is cropping it's giving me 640 by 480 but with the sides now cropped in so i lose that additional uh field of view in the video comes in so that would be something i would only use if i was putting somebody in a in a multi-box or in a corner shot like we have right here uh that would work well there but otherwise i would probably if bandwidth allowed definitely stick with the hd resolutions here so one of the other things because i mentioned that you have different uh camera settings that you can use so one of the things i found which i thought was interesting if i pull up all my different cameras and then tell it to hide this bar across the bottom i now have the ability to just click across these cameras so if i wanted to do things that would let you switch between different cameras you could do this here while still having a fairly open view of the the screen you have here so this is what the guest sees you know the remote party sees and how they interact with this so let me just pull this aside we have a few more things we'll talk about there but uh i think you know for right now let's look at how we'd actually see this so this i believe is my studio a so if i go up here this is how we uh sent out the url this is the the specific url we need for that guest this is how we open them up in studio monitor to take a look at the video that's coming in so it takes a moment for this connection to happen okay there we go so now you can see actually it it has me swapped down to the 43 so let me swap that up so this is now an ndi source that is coming out of the ndi remote application and being fed into us locally here so it's coming from the browser so i'll lay this out it's coming from the browser over here and being fed in through the web and now this is coming out as ndi so we have this as an ndi stream here if you look what we see is this is coming in this is the studio computer we're using right here these are all the different ndi sources we have that are associated with it but now you can see these are the different studio feeds that we have set up and so if i create a new remote feed for incoming you'll see that in here as one of the studio feeds that are available so this now can be used in any source that you need so if you are using this as a remote camera in vmix put it in there it can fit into the tricaster very comfortably anything that can take ndi you get it here so this is uh you know this is a very powerful tool in that regard so as i mentioned you can have multiple of these open so let me see if uh we have studio b which i believe is just another camera so i'll show you the entire process here if i copy this which is clipping the uh link that we set up and i go and let me open up open up chrome over here and i paste this in you'll see there's the link and so now this is another camera that i have sitting over here and this all the same controls everything we talked about but now if i come over here and click on this little monitor i now have an ndi connection with studio b so here just with you know what we set up here i have two incoming ndi feeds into the system and you know the resolution is is certainly you know on par with the cameras that we're we're using to send this in you can see the latency based on how i'm talking and you know the lip sync on this but i think this is this gives you a good sense of just how easy it is to connect with somebody so the other piece let me sort of shut this down now the other piece that i definitely wanted to talk about here though was for incoming connections now what makes this different technically you're doing effectively the same thing but what makes this different is now somebody remotely can send me a link that i will keep here as a uh basically as a placeholder so anytime that person wants to connect to me they can just use that same link and it's them coming in to me so it makes that you know they can bookmark the link and everything on their side and send it over and one of the interesting things so if if you want to set up a remote link you actually don't do it it doesn't start over here in the uh ndi remote application it starts in the browser so let me show you how that would work so when you open up ndi uh connect on the remote side on the guest side what you are actually doing is you're going to the url let me pop a camera into here so this this will sync up so i mean i i will just make the point that this is a pretty early technology still so we've had we've had issues where it's been temperamental on certain things so keep that in mind but i think you know the potential here is incredible so definitely worth uh you know following on with what what has this developed but so now if this were me remotely and i have this set up what you have up here is something that is basically a long token sort of what they call a guide some a generated number letter combination that uniquely identifies the session and so if i wanted to share this this little arrow just like we had on the uh remote side the the light the ndi remote side when you click this you get the opportunity to name the connection that you want to send so i could say essay studio if this is what i wanted to do and then i can say i want to copy that or i want to share the link so i could do it through email or something like that or i can just close this out so now with this done what i need to do and i'll show you this it's not necessarily because this would usually be from somebody remote if i paste this link in here you'll now see that this thing says receive call.html so this is part of the url that's that's being constructed and when i just enter this what it's going to come up with is this message here let me see if i can make this easy so it says if you have ndi tools installed launch ndi remote and when i do this you'll now see that that i've just added essay studio into my incoming links that i can now join with so if i were to look at this open this up this is now the uh camera down here that we just uh shut off and used as part of this link so uh again this this can take a while to connect and as i mentioned they uh they can be a little dodgy uh especially you know with the incoming links so i'm not get i'm not guaranteeing this is going to to work here but i definitely wanted to do something where you at least saw the process on this so i'm going to assume now that this connection isn't going to work successfully here but hopefully you get the idea this lets you set all this up as potential incoming sources that if somebody for instance were out in the field and had a camera at a trade show a like an iphone they would be able to just bookmark the link and then anytime they wanted to send video in they could connect to that link open the page and show up here and again this is something that i'm sure will improve over time uh as new iterations of this come out but just keep that in mind if you if you're planning on using this for a uh a production uh keep in mind that there there are some limitations in stability right now and that should be something you you know just just use where you have a plan b behind it for right now so the last thing that i just wanted to show because uh it was mike mentioned this at the beginning of the show is connecting to a ptz camera so while i have this set up uh let me see so well i have this set up uh this is something where we have a ptz camera that is uh in a different part of the office over here and it's just focused somewhere else but it's a ptz optics uh 12x webcam uh 12x uh camera and it is definitely you you could control it locally to to decide what you wanted to show but the point is that remotely i don't have uh access to that camera so actually i think uh i think ndi remote may be uh just uh causing me a little grief here today so so i'm not going to be able to connect that but but the way we had the setup is we have the ptz optics camera set up going through virtual webcam and so that's coming in as a effectively a webcam into the browser and then over here so if i had a port forward or something i'd be able to you know stream that and control that uh but you know again this is something that uh in these types of use cases this is really just to show that you can use higher quality cameras which give you a much better image than just the webcams i've been using but uh you know it in these cases i would definitely look at bridge or srt uh for these types of remote camera connections so let me jump back and uh catch up with everything that's been going on on the messages so let's see we so we have alessandro from brazil alessandro and claudia yes i claudia thank you i appreciate both of you joining so we have lakecam tv uh so late kim hi thank you for joining and yes he late cam was also asking is it still still windows only uh yes it is right now as far as i know i know that you know they have been new tech or ndi under visrt now has been working to give more comprehensive support to mac but i don't believe these tools are there as of yet so definitely something to uh to think about so let's see what else do we have we have very scott would you recommend ndi remote over vmix call his quality is good about it so i think uh very scott i think these are two very different types of web rtc solutions as uh we were talking about earlier ndi remote is a one directional uh connection so there's no feed going back there's no mixed minuses being generated if you have multiple feeds coming in this is really just think of it as i'm pulling a camera a video and camera audio from a remote location into the studio so think of it as a almost like a one directional satellite feed and so if you need it to interact with somebody there that would be something where you'd probably just use a mobile phone with a earbud and be talking to them say okay you're live now and then they can just start talking so it'd be very useful in those same situations where you'd have that sort of satellite truck one-way link going up this could this could work well there vmix call is you know two-way it does all the other things you'd want around uh a conference conversational connection there so so uh so claudia is asking i john i have a question is it possible to communicate with the person at the link that i'm receiving so yeah we just covered that actually it isn't this would be something where you'd have to have a separate side channel to handle all of that so let's see so we got maya maya from south sudan africa maya thank you very much for joining us so good to have you here so kent uh is asking is bird door cloud using nd5 under the hood so i know that the folks in birdhog are working to integrate ndi5 uh as as part of this i'm not sure if that's out in the release versions under the hood uh burdock cloud is srt and they use that srt to do the transport and at the edges they're converting that into ndi and vice versa you they're they're doing the ingest through ndi and then feeding that into srt uh to to do the transport remote is doing similar but using webrtc so remote will ingest uh basically and a webcam feed take that in transport it over webrtc as to transport and unpack that and feed that out as ndi on the edge but because it's that one-way connection uh you know you really don't have the same flexibility you have with with bird dog cloud so let's see what else uh so the guest yeah eric just just asked you know how can the guest have an audio video return that that is the big limitation so i don't want to suggest that you know remote is a substitute for anything like you know vmix call or live to air or any of the other sort of web rtc full-fledged solutions out in the market it really is a way to pull in something remotely that's it just it's not conversational so late kim is asking will it work through parallels i do not know so parallels is a basically a virtualization technology that would allow you to run windows on a mac so i don't know how this would run under virtualization uh if you find out i'd love you to share that if that's something you're you're looking to try because i'm sure there are other people with macs that are thinking about that so so oh and also i mean it's further clarified it's uh parallels desktop 17 for an m1 max so i'm not sure at all with an m1 i mean one of the things which is sort of a blessing and a curse uh the code that newtek writes tends to be very low level so it's it's a absolute blessing because it works great on lower end hardware and it leverages every ounce of metal that they put into those boxes but uh the downside to that is that if you're dealing with anything that is at all sort of out of spec a little different virtualization being one of them uh you may run into problems because it's expecting things sort of at that low low level that just won't be available to it in a simulated environment so uh let's see uh very scott says uh oh thank you very scott i mean he was mentioning that you know these are these are helpful getting acquainted with vmix so uh let's see we also have uh the al andy uh fitz uh so al andy thank you al andy from switzerland great to have you join us so uh uh and lakeham is coming from lakeville massachusetts so up up the coast from us in new jersey here so uh so sort of neighbors at least coastal neighbors so thank you uh mike uh is saying do i know some examples of applications where ndi remote would be ideal that was mike graham was was asking that so probably uh the two cases where i could see this being very useful is if you had somebody out with a phone and you needed to just very quickly pull in something from them uh if you didn't have vmix set up if you didn't have anything else all you really need locally is a studio monitor and with studio monitor you actually can record an ndi feed so this would be something where in a in a pinch and you need to get some footage in you could actually just have somebody with a mobile device go out there send you the feed in via remote and you pick that up and record that in studio monitor for you know putting out on air at some future time or just to capture because you want to edit it and do something with it so i see something like that but it would not be my first choice if i just wanted if this were where i had time to to pre-plan and set up that you know that may change you know that this may develop and evolve in ways that it becomes a lot more useful for the types of things that that you're talking about where you know you currently use vmix call a live air so there may be a footprint in that space that it is aspiring to though right now the use case i gave is probably sort of the best possible use case i would see that you just don't have any other option for bringing in somebody remotely and you want to you want to bring them in and you know you you don't have somebody set up with obvious ninja or anything you want it works and it will get you there so let's see what else uh so uh late came as mentioned uh sounds like a lot of delay it based on how anything is set up with webrtc uh there can be there can be either very little delay uh so you know i know that you know based on the connection and the distance that we're we're going over the web you know we can be anywhere from you know well under you know two frames uh to you know something where you're dealing with you know 250 milliseconds so there there can be a lot of variability in the latency uh typically webrtc will try to negotiate that to the best possible but you know based on the connections and the elder infrastructure uh there are definitely potential limitations to that uh so let's see uh so lakeham is asking is just like network address translation nat not really so what network address translation does is it pulls a public ip address and a port and using that it will route that to a [Music] private ip you know one of the non-routable non-publicly routable ip addresses which means that by talking to a single public ip and a specific port you can now communicate with the box that's behind a router with only a private ip uh available to it uh the way that webrtc works uh leverages some of these things but is is different so why don't i actually take that and we'll do that in the pro show and i'll go through a bit of how that technology works because there's that's another piece to uh the ndi remote that we haven't talked about so let me see uh so eric is asking is ndi remote compatible with any computer or we do we need to have a computer with nvidia graphics card so as far as i know it will work with any computer but we really haven't tested that so that's not me giving you a a firm yes that's i believe based on what i've heard but that would be something that's definitely definitely worth testing uh so actually since we are running through questions here why don't we uh end the show and we'll jump into the post show and we'll talk about everything there and pick this up so thank you everyone for joining uh we will be back again next week with another show so if i don't see in your post show have a great week and we'll see you then take care okay welcome back to the pro show thank you all who uh have decided to stick around so let me go back because we we were talking about a lot of really good good things here uh and i want to uh to sort of pick up where where we were we're going uh so jesse jesse colt thank you thank you jesse's throwing out some some use cases uh so yes a cheap remote uh camera for a sports venue uh so that could that could definitely that could definitely work well uh you could you could you could use it for security cameras i mean it's it could be it could be that sort of thing as well so yeah i i get exactly the the angle that jesse's coming from on this so yeah anything that you know you you actually just want to have a a lightweight impromptu camera setup or a temporary camera setup uh you could definitely use that you know so something you know different use cases but i think if you have other options you probably will have more control over that and in a live setting those types of controls are you know a real security blanket you know because things will go wrong uh as as you saw here with some of the the connections we tried to make but uh let me go back because we were talking before uh we we wrapped the show about uh nats and and the connectivity model here so webrtc works in an interesting way everybody talks about webrtc as a peer-to-peer connection protocol which at one level it is but it doesn't do that alone so if you have two locations that are going to be handling webrtc for them to connect there needs to be a third party system somewhere in this now that will handle establishing that initial connection and that's called a signaling server and the whole process of signaling is custom to everybody and there's no standard webrtc for signaling itself so typically what will happen is the front ends of both of these essays two browsers and that's web codes or some sort of javascript that's using the the webrtc stack inside the browsers they will describe where that signal is and be able to interpret the messages coming from that to go to the next level which is basically negotiating how they want to talk to each other at a audio video level so that's really called the the ice conversation it's how that uh connection is made between those two and in that what will be negotiated is what resolution what uh what frame rate what uh codec is going to be used for audio for video uh in addition to that negotiation there's also communication that goes on around something called a stun server which basically figures out or tries to figure out the ip addresses that would allow a connection a webrtc connection to occur and so those stun servers are going to be looking for ip addresses that both are advertising that have specific ports open uh that would allow all the different protocols that need to communicate to communicate and that's a whole negotiation that takes place they usually can resolve that and at that point what they're going to do is that signaling server will tell both sides of the conversation here's the ip address and the port of the other side that you need to start talking to there are still occasions though especially in corporate spaces where there are firewalls or other types of complex network infrastructure where that isn't possible there isn't a public facing ip that would allow all of those conversations and protocols to take place as needed in those cases the stun server sort of falls back to something called a turn server or a relay server and if you notice over here on uh the ui for ndi remote they have a little gear on the bottom that says turn on relay server so what this lets you do is newtek or you know this through ndi.tv will provide the stun server they'll provide all the signaling but if you need to fall back and go to what they call a turn server that's something you'll have to provide yourself and there's a reason for that what the turn server does is when it can't make those connections directly between the two and establish something what it will do is it will relay messages between both of these systems so you in a turn server will now take the video from point a you will ingest it and send it down to point b so it can be very expensive because that bandwidth is being utilized now off of whoever owns the turn server and their infrastructure so this is this is probably the reason you know it's a scale reason why new tech decided that people could deploy their own turn servers there's also a very positive thing with that and that is it provides more security because one of the nice things about webrtc is that peer-to-peer nature where nobody else could eavesdrop on that conversation uh in in either direction so by letting people host their own turn servers you now have the ability to maintain that security so if you were an organization that had uh you know strict security guidelines you would be able to enforce all of those within your own organizational infrastructure and still run a turn server that could help route people into your organization so there's the network address translation you know that was a that really is a very small type of dimension to this webrtc and that whole initiation protocol is is much deeper and actually is something that is incredibly robust considering how many different moving parts there are in the in the establishment of a connection so hopefully that that that explains some of this in in a little more detail here so uh i know that we didn't have everything work but hopefully everything that we showed now at least make sense and you can start you know playing with this on your own i think you know and this is not disparaging anything because what's in ndi5 is incredibly powerful and incredibly big leap forward but i would for any of these key technologies the new ones that are that are being introduced i would approach them as if they were beta software and use them in situations where if you do have a failure you have a plan b in place uh because they are still maturing and evolving and and new tech is is has been very open about about this how they're you know they're trying to stomp out anything that people come back with and they're they're incredibly responsive with these things but just you know the fact that i'm using this here to demonstrate things i think you know just take this as a this is this is an indication of you know potentially really great things that are that are coming down the pipe with ndi5 so hopefully that that puts the the qualifier on this because i think that's important i don't want to mislead anybody into using something and then have it uh not perform the way you expected at least as reliably as you expected during a production so uh so matey the great maybe good evening to you too uh so uh i i'm glad you you were able to join us uh we spent time talking about the ndi remote so uh as i mentioned ndi remote is is really the the real lightweight version of what people will be using ndi bridge for and i as of right now uh the last download that we have we don't have access to the uh the the host uh model yet for you know receiver and host for uh bridge but as soon as we get that we're going to definitely jump in and do a show on that but this is definitely in that same camp you know it's one of these things where it's evolving and but i think these are really great complementary technologies bridge requires infrastructure on both sides you have to have systems there you have to have a lot of pre-planning remote is as easy as sending somebody a link if you need them to send you a camera feed so that is that is why i think both of them are in there uh each each plays a role sort of in a production workflow and i think that's great so uh if there are no more questions i think we can can wrap up the post show i know we we actually talked about a lot of things during the uh uh during the the show itself so we sort of did some different uh we did some different things to you know at the end of the show that we'd usually do a post-show but uh i think we've covered everything so uh let's see so so maybe saying the the voice your voice is different today uh so it says no low end like a megaphone so uh uh i'm not sure why you're hearing that uh i mean if other people are having trouble you know please let us know and you know to do it live on the show you can also do it you know in the comments after the show we're we're always trying to improve and change things here which can be a blessing and a curse for us so uh uh hopefully we didn't do something that that broke audio uh but uh if we did we'll we'll take a look at that after the show today so thank you mindy uh so samuel uh nordvik uh have you used ndi audio direct it seems like an interesting solution uh so i have played with it so we are we are also planning on doing a show on ndi audio direct uh i need to to learn a bit more because it ndi auto direct our vst plug-ins that allow you to take ndi audio in and out of your typical digital audio workstation so it's really powerful that way we are trying to figure out how to package that in a show so definitely something you can expect will be coming uh it is it is on our editorial calendar probably for a show in september but uh if we can get to it earlier than that and everything comes together we'll we'll certainly we'll certainly get a show up there for you on that so it's okay so lake camp he's saying he's here in the low end so i'm not sure i mean it may be something in different streams you have going out so we'll also check on that but uh so hopefully everybody found this useful and interesting uh and this will get you jump started a bit with more of the ndi tool set so if there are no more questions uh i just want to say thank you all for sticking around and for joining us both for the show and the post show and uh we'll see you all next week with another show take care be safe bye

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Length: 49min 39sec (2979 seconds)

Published: Fri Aug 13 2021