Nabeel Qureshi // Why I stopped believing Islam is a religion of peace

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There are NO religions of peace.

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Interview is from Premier Christian Radio, interviewer is Justin Brierley, one of the least annoying Christian apologists around, thankfully. (Except for the 1st vid I saw of him where he tries to use a dice to prove God - what crap that was.)

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initially when i encountered the violence in islam i said well this can't be the true islam and i for years would push back arguing no this hadith here is unreliable for example muhammad says in sahih muslim that he has come to expel the jews and christians from the arabian peninsula and will not leave any but muslims that doesn't sound like the muhammad i knew so i said well that can't be a reliable tradition and then another tradition from sahih bukhari which says i have been ordered to fight people until they testify that there is no god but allah and only then will their lives and their property be saved from me and this is from the most reliable collection of hadith and so i said no that can't be reliable either and as you continue you find muhammad beheading multiple hundreds of men at the same time you see him distributing those men's wives and children into slavery you see him torturing people for money you see him all these atrocities within muhammad's life and not always in defensive battles by any means offensively as well and so after trying to dismiss many of these traditions i said well let me let me piece together what's going on here because if i dismiss all of these violent traditions then i'm basically dismissing the foundations of islam this is where i get my picture of muhammad from so looking just at the sources what is the story how do i reconstruct what muhammad's life is like and what you find when you do that because there certainly are peaceful passages in the quran we can't ignore that um like chapter 2 verse 256 of the quran which says there is no compulsion in religion those are often the ones that are quoted and those are often the ones chapter 109 which says you know those of you who disbelieve believe whatever you want and let us believe what we want fairly peaceful one of the ones that's just i can't say this without laughing a bit but so abused is chapter 5 verse 32 of the quran which says if you kill one person it's as if you kill all of mankind and if you say if you save a life it says if you save all of mankind when you start understanding the context though you realize that this is not the ultimate message of islam for example that one verse chapter 5 verse 32 of the quran says the first part of that verse is it was told to the jews if you kill one person it's as if you kill all mankind if you save life as if you save all mankind and we do we find that in uh track date sanhedrin of the babylonian talmud it's not in the quran it's not a teaching for muslims the next verse is the teaching for muslims which says if anyone creates mischief in the land or strives against allah or his messenger crucify him or kill him right exactly okay so you start getting the context and what you find is in the first 13 years of muhammad's prophetic career he lives a peaceful life he has about a hundred followers by the end of that time not that many certainly doesn't have a fighting force most of these people are of humble means and he doesn't fight during that time but then he's given rule over a city an entire city gives him uh the right to be arbiter from that moment until his death approximately nine to ten years he personally participates in or deputizes 86 battles right so that's an average of nine plus battles a year and they culminate in intensity until the moment he dies chapter nine of the quran is the last major chapter of the quran to have been composed and it is the most expansively violent this is the one that starts off by saying this is a disavowal of all the treaties we have with polytheists chapter 9 verse 5 slay the infidels wherever you find them lay seats to them take them captive chapter 9 verse 29 fight the jews and christians until they pay you the poll tax and they feel subdued why chapter 9 verse 33 islam has been made to prevail over every religion so i mean chapter 9 is the most violent it's the culmination of the islamic message it's what it's the marching orders that muhammad leaves muslims with which is why when he dies muslims conquer one third of the known world within 150 years right these were the minds well it's it's it's complex once again they would tell places if you do not convert then you have the option to pay a tax and if you don't pay that tax then we will fight you the gz exactly yeah so it was it was expanding into territory the first option people were given was conversion the second option was paying attacks and if that didn't happen then it was then it was by the sword and do you basically see this as effectively the modus operandi of groups like isis today well this has been the classical understanding of islam up until the fall of the ottoman empire no muslim really ever had qualms with it it's it's what it was and this is the mess the means through which allah had given muslims dominance around the world and it wasn't until muslims had just had to as a culture flip the script and start playing the defensive the victim card which they hadn't done before so for example the crusades many muslims will point to the crusades now and say this is another example of of christian sort of superiority complex and trying to keep us down and oppressing us the crusades were never even discussed in islamic literature there was no muslim or arabic word for crusades until christians came up with one in the 19th century um it just wasn't a part of the islamic mentality until the ottoman empire fell the islamic world started losing its power and then these discussions started happening and that's why you don't hear the phrase islam is a religion of peace until the 20th century that simply wasn't a phrase it was never said it was never thought that wasn't the way muslims had thought up until that time tune in to the profile interview in association with christianity magazine every saturday at 4 p.m only on premier christian radio where faith comes to life
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Keywords: Nabeel Qureshi, Muslim, christianity, convert, The Profile, Premier Christian Radio, Interview, guests, Christian, radio, radio show
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Length: 5min 48sec (348 seconds)
Published: Mon Jun 27 2016
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