Mystery Of The 144 Thousand - Messianic Rabbi Zev Porat & Pastor Carl Gallups

[Music] it's it's a this is it's in spiritual and at some levels very demonic the Demonic effect we're seeing Revival in Israel we're seeing Souls being saved it's all connected together and that's why the enemy doesn't want the people in the world to know this [Music] and I'm here with Pastor Carl Gallows is that it's good to be with you it's great to have you here Carl thank you and today we're going to be talking about a quite a controversial subject and often those circles yeah in some circles the 144 000 are the 144 000 really only 140 or a thousand are they really only Jews and are they really uh only the ones that uh are virgins now the purpose of this conversation this teaching here today is not to set any dates we're not here to talk about pre-trib mid-trip that's not the purpose we're here to examine the word of God in context who are the 144 000 and uh and so uh Carl why don't you just start a little bit and explain your perspective and I'll dive in okay I'll explain my perspective and it is this I've been preaching and teaching this studying it writing about it doing media on it for decades that doesn't mean I'm right about everything we always leave room to be wrong but we all we always want to examine these kinds of mysteries to a lot of people we want to examine them from what's called an exegetical view of the scriptures that is take out what the scriptures say in context and don't read something in it because we want it to fit whatever interpretation we have of Revelation or the Bible but rather what does the Bible say from beginning to end now watch this if you go to most almost all of the classical Scholars those that wrote one two three hundred years ago and you know even before Israel was back and and all of that they understood and they wrote that this was a picture of the of the one new man Paul speaks up Jew and Gentile under the blood of Jesus is what Paul spoke about and again in Romans chapter 11 about being grafted in grafted out branches cut off dropped it back into the gospel of Jew and Gentile to the Olive Tree okay which uh Romans says Galatians Paul writes about this and basically calls that the real Israel the new Israel the spiritual Israel taken from Jeremiah he called Israel a green olive tree exactly so so when you when you look Paul answers these questions for us and remember John was one of the 12 disciples and then he also sat under the preaching and teaching of Paul maybe not physically but for 20 years because John outlived Paul by about 25 years so um John Paul was caught up to Paradise to the third heaven he gave us the understanding of the man of lawlessness the Antichrist the Rapture of the last trumpet the Bible says speaking about himself talking about himself so he and John both had all of this understanding and so John sat under that teaching plus they both Paul was a robot training to be a Sanhedrin Rabbi he knew the Old Testament the Tanakh from backwards and forwards John grew up as an orthodox Jew he knew the word of God then of course he's walking with Jesus personally for three years then he's with Jesus in in the crowd of the disciples for 40 days after before the Lord of sins so he gets all that teaching where the Bible says that Jesus told them everything about himself there and and John's the one that wrote the Gospel and said the libraries of the world could contain everything he taught us everything that he said only the one there's the Holy Spirit to absorb that information so who is it that's getting the Revelation this job so when we come to the 144 000 first of all let's just look at the number okay and and I've already said it's the one new man and some people are already cringing saying no it's not that it's because you haven't been taught the examination of the scriptures from beginning to end and that's what Zeb and I are going to do but the bottom line is the the when when you look at the 144 000 you start with the number that's 12 times 12 times a thousand those are very highly symbolic numbers when you get to the throne room of God in Revelation 4 and 5 you see the 24 hours what's that 12 plus 12. where's that number 12 why does it keep coming up there it fits together more than likely most Scholars agree and again there are some that don't but most of them agree this 24 Thrones represent uh maybe the 12 tribes of Israel the 12 and then the other of the 12 disciples meaning old Covenant New Covenant joined together now now not only that is not just for the Jews but it's also for the Gentiles the gospel is so it's a picture of the church coming out of Israel the body of Christ coming out of Israel it's a picture of the one new man Jew and Gentile under the blood it's a picture of the tanak the old Covenant the New Covenant ruling and reigning now so when you get to chapter 7 and chapter 14 the only two places in the Bible that speak of a hundred and forty four thousands right so that number is highly significant in how we should interpret this that's right it could be you know people say well couldn't it be a literal 104th it could be but that's not how it's reading it's reading symbolic it's pointing us that's not the trainer in the Bible it's it's not so it's pointing us to a bigger truth so when you take the 12 times 12 times a thousand what's a thousand represents forever right you know the a day with the Lord is like a thousand years a thousand years oh we rule them reign with Jesus Christ for a thousand years uh so so it is this large period of time large number uncountable number but then the 12 times 12 is again this picture all the way back to the throne room scene of 12 plus 12. and then we understand the picture of that now you say well how can it be jew and Gentile when it says these are the 12 tribes we go all the way back to Passover the Bible says in Exodus 12 that 600 and something thousand six hundred and seven thousand seven 700 600 500 something people uh came Jews came out of Israel and pass over those with the men and it says not counting the women and children well by the time you add that you well million and a half people yeah then it says and a an uncountable multitude came out with them so and that uncounter for a multitude includes from the Nations right that's basically not us it wasn't just the Israelites that's right why because whoever applied the blood on the lentils or the doorposts of the house that house was safe whether it was a Jew whether it was from the Nations it's a picture of the one new man it's always been a picture and so there was a Biblical pattern in the Bible and that biblical pattern does not change and cannot change that's right that's exactly right it starts at Paso the first Beast of your new year because it all represents Christ it all represents Yeshua hamashiach so what's happening they put the blood the Lamb on the doorpost Jesus said I am the door you go through the door you go under the blood it's basically shaped like a cross you come out you you escape God's Wrath you're saved but who's coming out who's going into the Wilderness and then into the promised land Jews yes that God will use the Jewish people to bring forth the whole word of God the Gospel of Jesus Christ the birthing of the church Yeshua hamashiach himself the prophets the prophecies but who was it that came out with them an uncountable multitude from the Nations now how did they get included it's is because the Israelites had been living in Egypt in slavery for 400 years but they were other we'll call them Gentiles gentile people and Nations that Egypt had enslaved that's right these people knew each other they worked together uh and and so they're witnessing to them I mean they've all experienced the plagues the nine plagues and then the tenth place just like that they were uh Egyptians that put the blood and were saved and went through that Red Sea there were also Jews Israelites exactly that refused to do it and they and then they perished they parents also a picture that no one makes it unless it doesn't matter if you're a Jew agent when it says in Romans 1 16 to the Jew first it doesn't mean to the Jupiter what it means is God has order and the order is that he gave the the Tanakh the word of God to the Jews and from the jewism goes into the Nations now it's back to Israel and that's a picture of the one new man and if that is the true picture of the one new man why would a change with the 144 000 well exactly and I want to go back to that true picture because because it right on the head so when you take the understanding that a mixed multitude and the Bible says that the same Exodus 12 that tells them pick the Lamb on the tent Slaughter on the 14th use a hiss a branch put it on the lentils put it on the doorpost and all of these things it and it that's in Hebrew I mean from all nations from all the nations a multitude from all the nations which means Gentiles came out with them and again it goes back to what were the Jews doing they were being witnesses to those Gentiles and they're saying at the nine plagues they're saying now do you believe that our god reigns now do you believe that we serve the god of creation the one that is greater than them all get under the blood of this Lamb with us we've been instructed by Moses if you don't want to perish in this tenth plague they're witnessing to them they're telling the gospel come to the blood they don't even know that they're talking about that's right they don't even know even the Hebrews don't really understanding that they're teaching the gospel that is for going to be fulfilled in Yeshua so they're saying get under the blood of the Lamb come into our house what's the church called in the last days that household of God Amen and and what does Paul say the household of God is made up of is made up of Jude and Gentile Ephesians too under the blood of the Lamb it's the new Temple of the last days Jesus is the head he's also the foundation and the Jew and the Gentiles so but the thing is though when they get out they go to cyanide they get the law they have the Tabernacle they start the sacrifices you get over into uh it's it's Numbers Chapter 23 24 25 26 27 where it talks about the five different kinds of sacrifices and it says God says to the to the Jewish people the tribe of the Levites he says to them now you're to do your sacrifices in this way and this order and and with this protocol and then he says and those foreigners among you the foreigners among you the strangers among you shall do the same shall do the same he didn't say it's only for the Israel that's right he said the foreigners among you shall do the same why and Jesus also said about foreigners who come among them that's right why is that I mean that's a wrapped it in that's right and so why is that because there's one gospel there's one truth there's one God there's one Messiah for all for all and so by the time we get to the New Testament and Zeb and I both believe and we believe that many of you believe this as well that when you get to the New Testament the New Covenant in Yeshua that the greatest fulfillment of all prophecy and of all Mysteries is to be found if we know the rest of the word if you know that to knock and then you know the New Covenant and then you know Yeshua and if you have the Holy Spirit you begin to see that Yeshua has fulfilled everything the New Covenant the New Testament explains everything the greatest Revelations we have are from Paul who was caught up to paradise and now John who's written The Book of Revelation that is filled with many Revelations so by the time we get there that's the only place we run into the 144 000 that's right why would John who was raised in all of this sat under Jesus sat under Paul's teachings Paul wrote half the New Testament documents that were circulating among the churches why and everything let me reject everything in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament exactly there was no new testament at that time that's every Revelation every scripture everything Yeshua spoke about everything John saw everything Paul saw everything comes from the Old Testament everything in the Old Testament is a shadow that's very very important exactly so why would John who knew all of that and has shown this he's given these numbers and they're a little cryptic and they met that way on purpose God wants us to study up to show ourselves approved able to accurately handle the word of God don't read into it and say well this must mean listen this must mean this because I want it to end like this no it's to mean what it means well how do we know what it means we listen to what Jesus said we listen to what Paul said we listen to what John said all the other New Testament writers we go back to the to knock we start at Passover we want to understand the back of the book yeah you have to read the front of the book that's right no front of the book no back of the book they go hand in hand exactly and you come all the way through why would John get to that point and then try to say all right these are a little hundred forty four thousand from 12 tribes and they're only and they're only Jews and they've got to have Jewish blood and they yeah they're completely virgins and and and and and then and then you know I then the Gentiles are next no here's what's happening this is a theological term called the recapitulation process it's also called a compounded prophecy the two go together these are theological terms compound means that are prophecy excuse me a prophecy it's a prophecy that has application to that time to this time and to the Future that's a compound prophecy exactly and and the Bible's filled with those in the Old Testament and in the New Testament and once you understand that and I'm not talking down to anybody some of you are hearing this for the first time others already know this but just just hang in here with us so when you get to that 144 000 it's only heard of twice Revelation 7 Revelation 14. and then there's four shadows in the Old Testament yes but I'm talking about that number 144 000 and and he describes it as from the 12 tribes of Israel but what has Paul already been saying for decades what has Jesus already said Jesus said it he says I've come to the lordship of Israel and he says he says my the Lost House of the sheep of Israel he says my my sheep hear my voice he says but he says but also there are other sheep that are not of this fold that they are included in Jesus said this right so where do you think Paul got his understanding what do you think John got his understanding of the sheep of Israel or whoever's under the blood of the Passover Lamb absolutely and now it's in Yeshua hamashiach and his resurrection and so why would John change that he wouldn't he knew what it was and so I want to bring out something very important Pastor Carl and that is that God doesn't show partiality no the Bible says that now it'll do lost people do if the 144 000 are only Jews that means that God shows partiality that means that the gospel that you and I are preaching the gospel that Yeshua preached is a different gospel right and doesn't Paul warn about this the book of Galatians yes he does anybody in our paraphrasing if anybody me or an angel preach or gospel other than the one we preach to you let them be under God's curse and so there is such thing as a is a different gospel what's a different gospel it's something that's not in context it's something that's changed now it's very important that to bring out this 144 000 that number one it says in the Book of Daniel and in the Book of Revelation who are these that are in white who are they yeah don't you know yeah they're the ones who came out of the Great Tribulation right right and then it says and I saw a number that they couldn't count right what is a thousand Washington thousands upon thousands upon thousands and so it's not 144 000 that's number one number two if you go to the Book of Revelation when we enter into the new year the New Jerusalem there are 12 gates right on each one of the gates are is what the names of the Apostles the names of the Apostles but there are 12 to 12 tribes but then it says and also 12 foundations which that's right which are the names of the the 12 tribes and then the 12 apostles that's a whole new Jerusalem is built on what Jew and Gentile yeah from the Old Testament so the question is if we believe that the 144 000 are only Jews only physical Jews Like Me then that means that only physical Jews are going to enter the new into the New Jerusalem because on the gates only has the that number right is that that's impossible it means that the 144 000 consists of Jews and Gentiles one in Messiah Yeshua the Gentiles grafted into Israel Romans 11 15-17 Jews that believe in Yeshua completed Jews are grafted back into the Olive Tree Romans 11 23 and thus will become one in Messiah Yeshua the 144 000 consists of Jew and Gentile one in Messiah show I know this is difficult for many to to grab so many people you know they think let's become Jewish let's follow the rabbis so we can become one of the 144 000 a big mishmash a big misunderstanding out there I use the word mishmash it's a Hebrew word a big misunderstanding another thing I want to bring out is that we read in the Book of Revelation and it says that Yeshua is coming back on a white horse and he has a robe dipped in blood chapter 19 and behind him is an army wearing white is that Army only Jews or only Gentiles or only Gentiles no it's together it's those Born Again under the blood now let's talk about the Virgin aspect yeah are those really virgins well it depends what a virgin means in the Bible in this context we have the parable of the ten virgins virgin always means pure how do we become pure can I become pure can you become pure only Jesus is pure only Yeshua is righteous only he's without Levitt but through him through the blood that he shed for us we become righteous we become pure and therefore biblically we are virgins as far as that aspect and that's what it means the 144 men are virgins who have not defiled himself it doesn't mean that they're really virgins right that's another misunderstanding and this is something that the physical sexual assess it doesn't it doesn't but it does mean under the blood we've been made pure before the Lord absolutely we've been made pure before the Lord that's what it means over here so so many times people are searching for the 144 000 and I say you know who the 144 000 are all those that are born again under the blood of Jesus it's always about Yeshua hamashiach and his his shiaq and his blood always it's not about rules and rituals and regulations that's what the rabbis brought to Jesus in order to get him on the cross with the Romans assisting that's that's it's all about the blood of the Lamb amen and a lot of times people say but but Rabbi Zeb it says here virgins I said yes I don't also says if you want to follow me you need to eat my flesh and blood you really need to do you really need to eat your choice question but it's a parable it is a spiritual element the only way you can understand this is through the power of the Holy Spirit and so just like there are many spiritual things Yeshua said I will raise up this temple in three days Pharisees thought he's talking about a physical Temple he was talking about his body this is a Biblical pattern and so it doesn't change if we believe that Yeshua came for God so loved the world that he gave his only son whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life then we have to believe that the 144 000 is number one a spiritual number it's not really 144 it's just a number to show you that everybody is grafted into one of those in through the 12 tribes why because the last sheep of the House of Israel consists of the ten tribes that were scattered into the Nations and so those cat those are regathered again through the blood of Jesus and then they enter into the gate into the New Jerusalem and when they enter in they become one tribe and that is the lion of the tribe of Judah one in Messiah Yeshua so I believe based on scripture and so do many scholars that the 144 000 consists of Jews and Gentiles one in Messiah Yeshua it is a spiritual number just to show us that it's the Gathering of all the nations through the tribes The Book of Revelation also clears that up when it becomes a number of thousands upon thousands upon tens of thousands right which is a number you can't count right and let me just do a quick recap by drawing a line start at Passover the Bible clearly says in Exodus 12 it's Jew and Gentile the focus is on the Jewish people because they're the ones that God's going to use to be the automobile that carries everybody the engine that runs the whole thing but it's not just the Jewish people the Gentile God loves them both God when we when we appear before the Lord he's not going to ask for our birth certificate and a genealogy so if you're a Jewish you're going to get this crown and if you're not Jewish you're going to get this all he's looking at are you under the blood of the Lamb that was slain before the foundation but watch let's go back to Passover do you and Gentile come out uncountable multitudes watch under the same blood of the same land they go into Mount Sinai they receive all the the law and the covenants and and there the Tabernacles built then the sacrifices are offered and what does God say the Jewish people are in charge but the Gentiles have to come under the same blood they have to do the same thing they have to do the same sacrifices and so there's the one new man coming out of Egypt the one new man sacrificing and before the Lord all of it painting a picture to what's to come all the way through the Old Testament the nation of Israel is told you will be a light to the Gentile Nations that are still coming in you are to be a light to them then Yeshua hamashiach comes he says to the Jew first of course he says I'm going to go to them but who were the Jews all of this mixture of people that were under the blood but then he says but there are others coming in that are not of his fold but they will come in the same way what's that the blood sacrifice of the Lamb Yeshua so even Jesus is preaching the one new man right okay and so then we get through the New Testament we hear Paul Ephesians 2 the one new man Romans 11 that's coming in and out of the Olive Tree being cut off and grafted back into the gospel it's everywhere it's everywhere and then you get the Revelation and here's John what would seem to people that don't know all of this that we've just laid out it would seem like John's all of a sudden just separated the Jews and the Gentiles Jews are better because they're the 100 drivers now so we're going to mark them but that's not what it means as you see now see here's here's what I talked about the recapitulation process so he starts with this picture of the one new man that starts all the way in Passover all the way in the book of Exodus he starts by saying 12 times 12 12 144 000 12 times 12 times a thousand a symbolic number meaning Jew and Gentile and however many are going to come in because God he says you mark them with the seal the Holy Spirit you mark them they're under the blood okay and then after he does that then he says then I saw a multitude uncountable from every language yeah every language every tribe Every Nation how many is ever would that include Jews yeah but that include the Gentiles yes well so well that that's that's that's what he gives the number 12 as a spiritual number so we can understand that's it that's where it's recapitulating and coming back and saying now let me give you the bigger picture now you see them all standing Before the Throne and they're worshiping him John says who are these and these are those that came out of the great tribulations don't you know yeah yeah yeah why is he asking don't you know because God always asks questions he's Jewish that's funny yeah but anyway anyway we this could go so much deeper we could go on and on with it but we just want people to understand that it's the world that divides people up by races and ethnic groups and in languages and tongues but the Lord Jesus Christ said it's all about his blood it's all about Yeshua hamashiach it's all about the household of God which from the beginning was Jew and Gentile now the Jews had a big bearish I'm physical Jewish being physical Jew is not a ticket to heaven the ticket to Heaven is only who said it with his own mouth no one makes it to the father but only through it so don't let the 144 000 throw you off and like take you down all these rabbit Trails is John is is merely but yet merely is not the word he's powerfully showing this it's coming to a culmination we're getting ready to be in the New Jerusalem the 12 gates the 12 foundations and he's saying that's all that's at 144 that's that number that mystical number 144 000 he said these are those under the blood of the Lamb Jews yes the Olive Tree some had to be grafted back in because they were cut off by unbelief and then Gentiles who were drafted in through the same gospel the same blood the same lamb the same sacrifice and now we've got this picture it's a mystical number a metaphorical a symbolic number that speaks of this great truth that started at Passover and goes all the way through out of the mouth of Yeshua himself right out of the mouth of Paul and now out of the mouth of John in numbers and in a picture and simple recap that I'm going to do number one does the Bible say say that God shows partiality the answer is no God shows no partiality number two is the gospel only for the Jews or only for the nation answer is no the gospel is for everyone who believes in Messiah Yeshua the seven feasts are for everyone who believes in Messiah Yeshua the Lamb of God is for everyone who believes in Messiah Yeshua number three the gates in the New Jerusalem are going to be only for Jews because that's what it says that says the apostles they were all Jews they're on the gates it shows the 12 tribes they're only Jews is that only for the Jews no it's for Jews and Gentiles one in Yeshua we become one number three is God going to suddenly take the 144 000 and make them only Jews the answer is no it's a picture of the one new man number four what does it mean to be a spiritually virgin what does that mean what is a spiritual virgin it means that you're under the blood of Yeshua you are pure you are clean 144 000 are virgins who have not defiled themselves that's what it means yeah and I will say all this having said all of that there's still a great great need to reach the Jewish heart the Jewish Soul absolutely in these last days while living in the most prophetic times since the first coming of Jesus of course all people we reach the Gentiles as well but so many of us have a heart for the Jewish people so many of them have and I'm not speaking down to them it's just the truth they've been LED astray they've been blinded by rules regulations laws things that that don't go to the blood of the lamb and they and they have they have missed it but so many their eyes are opening their sins the Bible says that the Jews have been Romans 11 Jews have been blinded partially one of the reasons that we're partially blinded is for the Nations to get the gospel that's the reason now it says that Paul says so now it's time for the Nations to preach the gospel to bring the gospel back to Jerusalem and to go home amen amen so anyway I hope that helps well thank you for joining us who are the 144 000 according to the Bible Jew and Gentile one in Messiah Yeshua why are they virgins because virgin represents in the word of God according to the the Bible in context it represents Purity in Messiah issue of righteousness that's what it means right until next time I'm Michiana grab is with Pastor Carl gallups sending you blessings shalom shalom straight from the land of Israel and right out of the heart of Messianic Rabbi Zev parat comes zeb's brand new book unmasking The Chaldean Spirit the subtitle reads A Messianic Rabbi stunning Supernatural journey to Zion and the life-changing Treasures he uncovered along the way it's being described by readers as explosive deeply moving and unbelievable Journey a world of perspective and insight Dr Tom Horn CEO of Skywatch TV and an acclaimed best-selling author says Zev truly pulls back the mask on the predominant spiritual Battle of the last days and he does it by metaphorically taking you by the hand and placing you right in the middle of the Holy Land his work is scholarly thought provoking and tantalizing my name is Carl gallups I was blessed to write the forward to zev's book I've read every single page of it and I assure you it's riveting and eye-opening let me warn you 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Published: Fri Apr 28 2023