it's an honor to be with you let me just say it's great looking at that logo I've seen that sucker a long time you look well I feel good do good no pressure it's nice to lead a life of no pressure whatsoever corruption surrounded by corrupt judges and corrupt politicians other than that there's no pressure well you know you and I talked the other night and I work in trial Sciences uh for a lot of my career and so I have a particular interest in the Dynamics of the trial setting you're fighting this fight and standing up for the rights of due process and fighting against prosecutorial misconduct and prosecutorial abuse you know it was interesting when you called the other day about doing an interview a lot of people want to do interviews and I don't just agree to them very easily but I've always had great respect for you I watch your show some of the uh the real good ones and some of the less intellectual ones and that's okay too but it's always been uh you've always been very special and I knew that you were in some form very much involved with trials and I found it to be very interesting that you would uh take this up it's a very important thing well I I wanted to and I know that there was some news coming out of Georgia today there was some news coming out of Florida today that they're stepping back from this and very good news I called for the other day and I don't know if you saw it but on Meritt Street Media where I I now do my show I called for President Biden to stop all of this now and of course a lot of people said oh he can't stop it it's a state case well okay that's an explanation for stupid people but for people that understand how this works behind the scenes and all I say the same thing they need to stop this they need to stop pursuing you since you started your campaign in 2015 to run for office there have been so many attempts to get you off the board even before you started your campaign then when once you were in office off has two impeachment opportunities they change the rules to try to make it high crimes and misdemeanors if there were business conflicts and in this case and this case never ends it seems to be never ending and that is a distraction to you um and you know I I I really wonder how that affects you what do you say to yourself about that because it seems to never be ending it's a never ending thing uh there's a term that I know you've heard many times it's called Trump derangement syndrome nobody's ever seen anything like it um in one way we drive them totally crazy because we're doing the right thing you wonder why would somebody want to have open borders where people are coming in from jails prisons where they're coming in from mental institutions and as you know better than anyone else they're coming in they're releasing the people all over the world not just South America from mental institutions and jails and prisons and uh their terrorists coming in by the thousands they're pouring into our country and who would allow this you know it's common sense not a conservative thing if they would devote that same skill and talent to making America great again it would really be a wonderful thing but in the meantime we're beating them you know you mentioned I got impeached twice and I won twice very easily very quickly we had great support from the Republican party uh I have all these cases all my life I didn't have any problem and all of a sudden within a matter of months I end up with four cases now of course it's from the White House and the Department of Justice they totally control the state case in fact uh I not allowed to even be talking about certain aspects of it because I have a gag order think of it I'm the Republican nominee I was the president and I'm leading the current Democrat by a lot and I'm I have a gag order from a local judge that was appointed by the Democrat Party local a local judge he's a local person and he is appointed and he put a gag on nobody's ever seen anything like it while you're campaigning while I'm Campa like you just mentioned a question that I'm not allowed to talk about can you imagine the Republican nominee and I'm not allowed to talk because a local judge from New York appointed by democrats said I can't talk about it it's so unfair and then he gives a jury charge nobody's ever heard of a charge like this he gave instructions to the jury and by the way the jury happened to be in a location that was almost no Republicans you understand that yeah it's 8713 in the last two elections uh Republican and I know you can't talk about it I'm not under a gag order I do know that the number three person in the Department of Justice took a pay cut and went down in stature to go to a state job and become one of the lead prosecutors in this case uh but yet they say hey Dr Phil why are you saying that uh that President Biden needs to stop all of this it's the state case that's exactly why I'm saying it don't be naive people understand that there's a power play going on it's controlled by the White House and the doj 100% you know Gerard Baker wrote in Wall Street Journal today and I'm par phing but he said um what do we say to those people that are rejoicing over reducing law to the status of a weapon in the hands of the dominant political power uh cuz that's what's happening right now it's become a weapon and that's not what it's intended for that's not what we need to be doing I mean let's let the people decide these right that's right uh that was a very good statement in the Wall Street Journal I read that this morning and uh it's so true I mean it's so accurate they've weaponized to a level they are trying to affect the election by demeaning hurting in any form and by the way I think after the election they'll still the hatred is great enough that they'll go but with much less enthusiasm this is about November 5th which I think is going to be the most important day in the history of our country if we don't turn this around we're not going to have a country left anymore well you you we're a country of laws right I mean and that's what's made us so orderly that's what's allowed us to progress forward and there's something that are called horn book laws or black letter law that is just these things have just been around so long and these were violated in your case one right after the other for example you don't let someone that has been charged in the same case as someone else and they made a plea deal and said okay I'm guilty of doing this because they were intimidated into doing it the lawyer in your case we don't even need to speak his name he Bartered around out from under 65 years looking at 65 years of imprisonment down to 3 years and two years on this case and a tax case so went from 65 years down to 5 years in exchange for giving them testimony against you that's not supposed to come in but it did pecker making a deal a non-prosecution agreement that's not supposed to come in but it did that got into the jury box they got to hear all of that and so they say well you know if we're not down here for the reasons they're saying then we need an alternative explanation which they're not allowed to get because your expert witness that was going to come in and say as a former chairman of the election commission was going to say this was looked at there's not there's no issues here they they didn't allow that person to talk uh to testify and I'm looking at this saying how is the jury supposed to solve this problem if they don't have all the pieces to the puzzle they wouldn't listen to him they wouldn't talk to him they didn't want to hear his testimony they knew what he was going to say he was going to say it was 100% and very importantly when they tell somebody you're going to jail for 15 years unless you say bad things about this guy named Trump okay now in all fairness we know a lot of great people but you don't know too many that would say I'm not going to do what they want yeah he goes up to somebody and they say Dr Phil you're going to jail for 15 years unless you say bad things about Trump and if you say the bad things you're not going to jail at all in fact we're going to make you a hero or you're going to go for three months or you're going to go for a short period of Time how many people are there that say you know I'm not going to do that uh there have been people yeah that's right and those are in my opinion these are great people what they've done to people that work for me is incredible incredible the threats The Taking of a gentleman who's been with me for years and telling me he's going to jail for 15 years unless they say and he went back to jail a second time I guess they didn't want him to testify I don't know what happened exactly but the threats that they made to this man they've destroyed his life these are fascists you know these are really bad people Phil and but who's going to do it you're going to jail for 15 years or you're going to go for 30 days or 40 days or you're going to go for no time time but you have to say bad things about Trump yeah and that's intimidation and and you and some of these people you look at their age you look at their health and for some of them it could be a death sentence and so they make a deal and and that's what I talk about that's what I mean when I say prosecutorial abuse did anyone ever approach you and try to get you to make a deal drop out of the race make a deal here we'll leave you alone what do you say to yourselves When the Crowds aren't cheering what is the hardest darkest moment We're a nation that's in tremendous trouble our country is in tremendous danger of World War III but the hardest part for me is probably my family has there been blowback on Baron cuz he's younger and more vulnerable it's not easy but I don't think I've ever said this on air before try out the Merit Plus app search for the Merit Plus app on your Apple or Android phone tablet or streaming device to download and watch for free this is our Network get ready to watch all your favorite shows including exclusive Dr Phil content news updates and great entertainment all in one place download Merit Plus for free and take us with you wherever you go did anyone ever approach you you and try to get you to make a deal drop out of the race make a deal here we'll leave you alone no they didn't but I believe they would if they if if I would have offered that up I don't think I think they know me well enough I think I really do but uh oh if I didn't run as an example I would have never had any of these little sits how about I get prosecuted on a person that I have no idea who she is I have no idea who she is I have to pay $91 million and that judge was just as bad just as corrupt a corrupt judge I have to pay 91 million to a woman I have no idea who she is she wrote a book and she made a statement in the book and you know that case that case is a disaster and then you but I have no idea who she is and they said I did things these people are corrupt and in some cases incompetent but it's such an honor to have somebody like you see it and see it so clearly and I knew that I mean I remember that years ago you were helping Oprah out that she was sued and it was having a big impact on her M and I thought it was great and you know Oprah used to really like me she was here many times she loved my key Li pie we have key pie and she loved a lot of things about maralago and uh Roger King as you know yeah we were here for the funeral for Roger King correct long time ago it's the only funeral we've ever had at Mar Lago I said maybe we can do a new business here we'll do operat as a Funeral Parlor but it was one of the most beautiful funerals in the ballroom behind us it was and he was a great guy but an opr is terrific but once I announced I was running and I said we have to have strong borders we have to have this we have to have that uh We've sort of lost contact as the expression goes but I remember when you were very much involved in helping Oprah well that's what I'm saying it's been time and time again and you know that was another black letter long that you just don't do the judge tells you okay you can testify but I'm going to allow them to ask you about this person that you now owe $91 million I'm going to allow them to ask you about this other case I'm going to allow them to ask you about 10 contempt citations that I've given you I'm going to allow them to ask about all that stuff what does any of that have to do with the matters it have and the answer is zero that gets into the jury box if you take the witness stand again that that is black letter L you can't let in unrelated things that have more prejudicial impact than probative nature that that just doesn't happen but it happened one two three things right in a row and that gets into the jur if you testify they'll be able to ask you about all these different things and by the way if you say one thing that's if you say it was a beautiful day as I remembered and it was raining out we're going to indict you for perjury yeah yeah and I I'll tell you what I have a lot of lawyers that are friends and this and that I had probably 25 guys over the course of a couple of months say whatever you do don't testify because you'll say something that's a little bit off and you will be indicted for lying for perjury these are evil people these are sick evil people oh I would have thrown myself in front of your car to keep you from testifying no it's I wanted to so badly and by the way I would have loved to have testified about those things because it was so corrupt and so horrible but he wouldn't have allowed me to answer the questions properly and so I would have loved to have testified I wanted to I'm telling you they had to hold me back but uh every every lawyer that came to they always start to say by the way I'm a friend of yous don't testify and they saw what he was doing you can all they can ask you about like anything they can do nothing to do with this case all of these outside things and it was really an unfair trial there's a very brilliant judge in Florida that's holding the government it looks like I mean they're she's looking into what happened because you know they raided maralago and they took stuff out by the Satchel I mean they took bags and bags and stuff and I said what are they taking are they saying what they're taking because they can add things they can add the nuclear codes in there they say hey he had the nuclear codes and this was all stuff that under the presidential records act I'm allowed to do by the way Biden was totally exonerated now I'm not sure I want that kind of an exoneration they basically said he's incompetent to stay in trial but he could be president think of that he's not he's not sharp enough got no memory got no this got no that he's he's incompetent basically they're saying he can't stand trial due to incompetence but he can run for president what's going on where what are we missing here yeah it makes everybody uncomfortable about that State of Affairs and what I was concern concerned about with everything that happened in this New York trial is there one of the big myths is that the burden of proof lies with the prosecution that is the law but I can tell you after years and years and years of trial the truth is that the jury sits there and says H I'm looking at all this and if we're not down here for the reason they say we're down here somebody needs to give me an alternative explanation of why we are down here so if we're not down here because of why the process accusers are telling us then what's the alternative story what's the alternative explanation and when you get muzzled in the way that this judge muzzled this case they're sitting there saying what's the rest of the story you're not allowed to testify because you're in Jeopardy if you do they let all of this other stuff in that should never get into the jury box and so you know the scales get tipped and it it gets very very difficult to get even one one juror because there's not an alternative story that if you could tell without being in Peril if you can tell without being intimidated it would be a very different situation the burden legally is on the prosecution but logically with the jury proven innocent that's exactly the truth that's I can tell you that's the truth with me that's how it plays out and I and I I I did a focus group about this when I did a sto a show on this on on Meritt Street and I did a I had 250 people in did a focus group and I said and overwhelmingly the people were in your favor but I found those that had questions and I said what is your question they said where there's smoke there's fire I didn't hear the other part of it I'm sitting here and you've asked me indirectly a couple of questions they're so simple to answer I'd love to and yet if I do this guy's going to he's willing to throw you in jail okay this is an appointed judge acting he's an acting judge appointed and he's willing to and he's so conflicted it's so sad but you know um you do things for your country and I view it I think if my country weren't involved because people say the two question I I get these questions from very tough guys like you the biggest guys on Wall Street the you know people that you read about you know about they're tough they're tough men and women but I have the question asked often is number one number one question again how do you stand it how do you do it how do you get up in the morning morning and put your clothing on and go to work I do get that because people don't envy it and the other one I get is will they do it again meaning will they cheat will they do it again will it happen again well I have a different question than that how question my question is why I understand how I know you got a thick skin you're not one of those people that's Afflicted with the need to be loved by strangers I get that I think that's true my question is not how do you do it my question is why do you do it why do you let's face it I mean you're a billionaire you got a great family you're you're a very dedicated father people may not see this in you a lot because you keep that kind of private but my question to you is why do you subject yourself to this so there's a movement in this country it's called magga and Biden's always fighting it we will stop magga magga is make America great again and we were doing you know I had an Administration that was a tremendous success even enemies I mean we had the greatest economy in history we had the best job numbers in history that's why I'm doing so well with the Black and Hispanic vote they had the best job numbers they've ever had we were doing things that were incredible and I was going through Russia Russia Russia hoax I was going through the impeachment stuff you know all of that and you know in one way I I jokingly said somebody said can you imagine what he could have done because I had one of the most successful presidencies and yet I was constantly fighting off the r radical left lunatics they are deranged they're they are it's like a derangement syndrome but I actually said you know maybe in some ways I did better because I showed something but maybe if I had too much time in my hands it would have gone too far and the administration wouldn't have been as successful as it was when you look at our job numbers I rebuilt the military largest tax cuts ever largest tax cuts bigger than the Reagan tax C largest regulation cuts ever I'm staying with my why question because look at this everybody calls it inflation but affordability when we talk about gasoline under your Administration average 257 a gallon under Biden 361 40% more un under your Administration homes average uh $320,000 under the Biden Administration 31% more $420,000 under your Administration interest rates 3.8 average under the bid Administration 39% more at 5.3% okay now let's look at the border uh under you average 1.7 million border crossings their official number is 6.4 that's from Homeland Security it's actually about 13 million because I know I've been to the Border I've talked to the Border guards down there Brandon Jud I've talked to uh Jason Jones I've talked to the people that actually know the numbers they say it's between 10 and 13 million so my point is when you look at the actual numbers plus the things you just talked about lower taxes higher tax revenue you look at that and you would say my God he should be running unopposed I mean why and these numbers I just I appreciate it but and these numbers are are really I don't know who many them as an example I had gasoline down to a187 not 257 it's now almost at $4 it's going to be at $5 very shortly it's going way up I took very conservative numbers so people couldn't argue interest rates I was at 2.6% they have 3.8 and now they're at 9 % 10% you can't get money so you know we did a great job we did a great job okay so here's the question most people look at this from a standpoint of they ask themselves a question is my life better under this Administration or is it better under this administrate my quality of life my ability to pay for my children's lunches tennis shoes getting them to the dentist getting all of the different things that go to quality of life and when we look at that it's not even a close call right so why are people so energized against President Donald J Trump well I think it's uh to a certain extent it's habit not necessarily against me I think Democrats vote out of habit I'll give you an example I was the best president for Israel ever Golan Heights uh all of the things I did for Israel and yet I get less than 50% of the votes it's shocking to me and Biden's a disaster and Obama was a disaster for Israel with the Iran nuclear deal that he approved all the you know which was basically a path toward nuclear weapons and I say why and I say it's habit uh they're used to voting for Democrats black people are used to voting for Democrats but they're coming off it they're smart they're seeing what's happened they're seeing Criminal Justice Reform they're seeing the black colleges and universities I got it funded they're seeing all of the things that I I've done nobody could do what I did I said and people sometimes smile but it's actually true I'm the best president for black people since Abraham Lincoln and people black people are seeing that and we have numbers now that as a republican I don't think anybody's everever had I hope they come out and vote for me I was just in uh Jerusalem and interviewed prime minister Netanyahu he said that the Abraham Accords yeah which you achieved um he said he didn't have the words to describe what it presented for Israel in terms of security in terms of the ability to bring about uh peace and stability to that region that's very nice by the way that you say that and by the way great for the Arab Community also it was great for both and they're working so well the only problem is we had four countries signed real leaders I would have had everybody signed up I would have had Iran signed up people laugh when I say that Iran was broke I said anybody buys from Iran you can't do business with the US Iran was broke they were down to almost no money they had no money to fund Hamas or Hezbollah they had no money they were broke they would have made a deal within a week after the election that result was very dangerous for our country but uh we did great things and I think that's what people see people want to go back to where we were you had high level appointe positions that you didn't fill right and and thousands more mid-level positions that you didn't fill and generated over $4 trillion in tax revenue for the first time ever right with tax cuts lower tax rates higher tax revenues brought business into the country so why are people so energized against you are you getting out messaged I think no I really believe it's a hundred years as an example with African-Americans for a hundred years the Democrats have run the cities 100 years I used to say 50 they said you're wrong I said you have to be kidding it's a 100 years it's a habit it they get used to it but they're learning that habits being broken in a lot of different ways U I also think you have a fake news that doesn't report it the way they should be reporting it look the news has been proven to be totally fake and it's 9 5% on the other side that's the thing I don't understand why would they why do people want open borders where millions of people have come into our country and you see what's happening to the crime rate you know a stat came out the other day that's scary in Venezuela karakus different cities they've moved many of these criminals out into the United States and now happily in a location near you right near your house Venezuela the Congo they're empty in the prisons the Congo we have many many people coming out of the prisons of the Congo but the prison populations are way down all over the world nobody wants to talk about it prison population and mental institution something you deal with a lot you know more about a mental institution than I do that's your world it's what you do better than anybody as far as I'm concerned you know the population of mental institutions is way down because they've moved a lot of the most seriously ill people into our country and Venezuela just announced that there 72% down in crime from two years ago think of that because they moved there I mean you don't have to be a genius to realize they move their their prisoners out but they move their gangs all the gang members are now in the United States happily living in the United States the United States of America has become a Dumping Ground because of a very uh mentally deficient president and it's not him I don't believe it's him I do think he knows what's going on I think he's sort of an evil evil guy but he's not at the top of his game and he never was very good at it if you look at his foreign policy for years and years and years you look at how bad he was on the crime bill in the 1990s how he's been bad at everything and he got lucky look he ran three or four times when he would be let's say in normal shape in good shape he failed he got it when he's shouldn't be here he shouldn't be here and he's dealing with president shei who I know very well and he's dealing with Putin who I know very well and he dealing with all of these leaders of these countries that doesn't they don't like the United States they don't like what it represents and they are at the top of their game they are vicious they love their country or they want success what you know you define it any way you want we've become a failing Nation We're a nation that's in tremendous trouble uh we have months to go you know where we have somebody negotiating for us and dealing for us who is not up to par he's not and I'm not even saying now I think 25 years ago he wasn't up to par but he's dealing with President XI of China he's dealing with President Putin of Russia he's dealing with Kim Jong-un of North Korea he's dealing with very tough people that that really are at the top of their game I know them all I know many more than that and our country is in tremendous danger of World War III our countries you look at what's going on with Ukraine now you see what's going what's happening where they're talking about nuclear they're bringing out the nword as I say and they're talking about nuclear weapons and they're talking about things that were never in my white house nobody ever uttered the word nuclear nuclear is a a a very bad word because of the power of weaponry and we have a man that should not be dealing and we're going to end up in a nuclear war we're going to end up in World War III with this guy and if he the five months is a long time we have five months to go before the election now it's even a little bit less it's getting to be it's getting to be very close remember you have early voting in September you know Pennsylvania goes September 22nd so it's really less quite a bit less but I really believe it's a very dangerous time because I think they move they're making moves they love him as our president they don't respect him they think he's weak and incompetent now one thing I'll say he's surrounded by a lot of fascists and Communists but a lot of fascists and they're young and they're smart and that's who's running our country well let me ask you something let's let's assume that you inherit a situation where American bombs are being used inside of Russia let's assume that you inherit that we could wind up with World War II if we're not there already and it just hasn't been labeled yet we've never been so close to World War II as we are right now there could be a 100,000 or more potential Terrorist on American soil right now today given what's happened at the southern border correct and we we do have Venezuela Congo others that are emptying uh their prisons of their most dangerous criminals with one caveat we'll let you out but you go to the United States I believe every country is doing it and by the way if you were the head of a country you'd be the first one to do it I know you you say what let's get rid of these you know the money they save and the danger they save and look at this map that I I did a show about this the red is where Chinese government has funded buying major Farmland yeah and then superimposed on that are some of our most strategic military bases and and you can see there's surrounding there's Doug way Proving Ground that's military equipment biological chemical weapons they're surrounding it Utah test training r the largest supersonic authorized restricted airspace United States Whiteman Air Force Base B2 Spirit stealth bomber base missile drone operations mq9 Reaper Global strike command 3 Air Force entire bomber Force nuclear command control and Communications Fort Liberty uh Airborne Special Operations forces rapid deployment we've allowed them to come in and buy up agricultural land wind farms no no wind no blades on some of the towers but they're surrounding our uh our military bases we've allowed that to take place you may come in and inherit all of this and and it may get worse over the next five months it well what are you going to do about that well first of all you mentioned a thing Fort Liberty used to be Fort Brag we won World Wars from Fort Brag yes and they changed the name and I don't even want to say that they spent $37 million in doing it cuz that's not the most important thing but that's a lot of money you know pretty disgusting now I will say this we want to let people come in and invest in our country at the same time of course we want them to come and invest we don't want to make it so impossible we have to be careful and this is a lot of land what disturbs me as much because we don't want to you know say we're not going to let anyone come in and invest that would be a bad thing you know in the when I was they don't need to buy around our no they seem to be it seems to be a lot of activity around those nuclear sites to put it mildly but the thing when when you mentioned when you mentioned Fort Liberty I remember that battle as soon as I got out they changed it but they changed many names almost all of them they changed the names of these forts where we won two world wars and plenty of other things and you know there's a great anger about that well as you know they call it presentism what they do is they take today's cultural standards and apply it to people's conduct a 100 years ago as though a 100 years years ago they were supposed to predict what the standards were going to be 100 years in the future and behave the way things were going to be hundred years in the future you can't do that it's like you drive through a neighborhood when the speed limit is 20 then they come and change it to 10 and say I'm going to give you a retroactive ticket and that's what they're doing they're holding these people to the standards of today's Moray and folkways based on how they behaved back and in that time it's called presentism and and so they say oh no we've got to take these statues down we've got to change these names because they were behaving in ways that we wouldn't accept today well but it was accepted back then I'm not saying it's our brightest hour I'm not saying it's our most shining time but these people also did great things along with things that we may not be proud of today but that's who they were at the time and it's never if you know these people because it's a group of people and they don't represent the big majority okay they don't repres but it's never good enough no matter what you do call no I call it tyranny of The Fringe yeah it's never good enough you could do all the name changes all of a sudden they'll find that's a problem so in different parts if you inherit this if you inherit bombs in Russia and you have to deal with Putin if you inherit Terrorist on our soil that could attack our energy grid how do you deal with that I will deal with it and I'll get the the war in Ukraine settled and done by the time I get to office as president-elect I will get it done as president-elect you have great power I was able to do great deals from the time I got elected in 2016 I was able to do great deals from the time I got elected to the time I got to office in that little because you have great power there you need the power of the presidency to do it uh I'm going to get the war in Ukraine if it's not done by that time now it looks like it's getting worse they're taking weapons now where they can shoot deep into Russia where is this going here's the problem with Ukraine which is right next to you know that's we have an ocean in between they're in for a tiny fraction of what we're in for and I know them very well because I did it with NATO I said you people are delinquent we're paying almost the entire cost of NATO so they excuse the word they screw us on trade and then on top of that was supposed to defend them and I said it doesn't work that way but I didn't want to do that on my first I let them know my first when I came back I didn't want to do it I was in office for like two weeks and know I'm saying but I said you're not paying your way and I went back the second time and I said you have to pay hundreds of billions of dollars was paid they asked me one question will you defend us against Russia if we haven't paid I said absolutely not as soon as I said that oh and I took a lot of heat from the fake news the fake news went crazy when I said that because I said I won't defend them now you have the same thing they paid hundreds of billions of dollars quickly and that's where it got all the money to do what they're doing now but remember this so we are we're probably in for $250 billion you know that you hear they just they just got 62 billion and now I heard today that they need more money it's going to never end now you have some people that say it's not a war that should have ever been started it would have never started If I Was President Putin would have never done it first of all energy went up so much that he makes money on it you know when you get up to $100 a barrel I had it at $40 a barreli it's so different but it would have never happened but now it has happened you know I I sometimes I hate to say almost that it would it would never have happened and Israel would have never happened the attack on October 7th would have never happened because Iran was broke and Iran wasn't funding Hamas and they weren't funding any of the terrorists Hezbollah all of them there's like 28 of them they had no money they were broke I said to China if you buy oil from Iran you can't do business in the United States they didn't want to take any chance of that everybody stopped and we had you know we had no terrorist attacks and I never wanted to talk about it when I was President because I didn't want to jinx it I wanted to get up and say we have had no ter think of it during my four years we had no terrorist attacks this nation is in such danger right now with the people that you're just talking about coming in and it was interesting because I saw 29,000 Chinese people and they showed it on camera they look very strong they all have their propane stoves they all have cell phones they they look like military people a lot of military age men yeah they're mostly men and they're mostly of a perfect age for military and it's almost like what are they doing building a military organization within our country with our help we have people running our country who are grossly incompetent headed up by a President should never be there how do you unravel that well you have to do it with people and we'll do it I look I have the same thoughts as you do you know a lot of common sense to this stuff it's not we talked about it before conservative Liber I don't care it's Common Sense we need borders we need low taxes we need good education we need a strong military I rebuilt the entire military the entire military was rebuilt I built a wall that was so great and I got I got Mexico to give us 28,000 soldiers while I was building the wall to keep people out we didn't have what you have today what we had the lowest day the week that I left office and it was a sad day for this country the week that I left left office that's when we had our lowest illegal flow of immigrants coming into our country and all Biden had to do is leave it in place I had a thing called remain in Mexico they had a remain in Mexico how good is that uh they had uh catch and release in Mexico it was so stupidly run and all Biden had to do when he goes to the beach you know he's always in the beach right he thinks it looks good in the bathing so some advisor said go to the beach you look great Joe and he can't even lift the chair which weighs about 6 ounces you know those chairs that you can lift they're meant for children and old people to lift so Joe is in the sand and he's in the beach and he's totally decimating everything that we built we built the strongest Border in the history of our country and we're going to do it again just one little thing in 2016 I got elected maybe because of the Border but that border was a fraction it was nothing compared to what the border is today and I fixed it and you know in 2020 when I ran I couldn't even talk about nobody wanted to hear about the Border because I fixed it I'll fix it again but the Border today is is many many times worse than it was in 2016 well I've been to the border and they they just straight up say we're using tax dollars to send some of these children that are coming across the border into known prostitution Rings into sweat shops because we don't have the ability to check they're just sending them off you know we have 88,000 missing children now can you imagine if that were Trump that had 88,000 missing children 88,000 that's a holocaust that's as bad as i' I mean think of it these are young very young children and also women the they take women and they trade women and I had it brought down to the lowest level because I had a border that was actually strong and you're going to take it back to that are we're goingon to bring it back and I think then some you know one thing and you you know this better than anybody that um you got to know people it's about people if you put a great person at the head of a big agency lots of good things happen in my my business if I have a good super in real estate superintendent running one of my buildings and if I move him to another building sometimes you move to another building because but then that building you need good people and we had a lot of great people I had some that are was very disappointed in I was some that I was very very disappointed in but the one thing is that um I was in Washington 17 times in my entire life I never stayed over that was reported by the news I was very rarely there I wasn't a Washington I was a New York person I was a builder in New York a real estate guy I had a wonderful company everything was going good it would have been so easy to just to keep doing that it was probably one of the the one of the most successful days of my life was the day before I announced I was running for president once you do this the whole World changes I even lost Oprah okay Oprah liked me so much and you know I haven't spoken to her I think since but uh but she's a good person please give her my regards but you know you do things and my attitude is you have to do what's right if I didn't think that I won the election by a lot I would have never run and I don't think I've ever said this on air before maybe I have but losing the election wouldn't have been that you know somebody wins somebody loses you you go on with your life but when you lose an election that you know you won by millions of votes millions of votes if I didn't think I won the election I would have never done it a second because I would have lost in other words I would have lost I ran because I won the election and I know that that's what the people want they want what you and I are talking about right now they want strong borders and they want good education they want all these things that we talked about and we're going to get it to them we're going to get it fast probably the hardest problem the biggest problem is nuclear and the weaponry and we have to keep out of wars and all that but the hardest problem for our country is the millions and millions of people that have been brought into this country that have been dropped here many of them should not be here they're really really bad people from the jails from the places and you know what's going to happen you'll take 10 out and you'll have one where it's a woman with a couple of kids and you're going to have the news say oh look at this how horrible how it's a very hard thing to do but we have to have the largest deportation effort in the history of our country Dwight Eisenhower had it very early on because he was one that wanted strong voters believe but you're not against immigration no I'm totally for it but we need it it's I I think we need it desperately but I don't want their prisoners and I don't want their people from mental institutions and I want people to come in Legally I want to let people come in we need it we do need it we need people but we need good people we need people that aren't going to blow up our shopping centers and kill people let me ask you two areas I want to talk to you about that's going to be different because I'm different so let me be different you have a personality driven platform just like I do mine's a fraction of yours you've taken every shot you can imagine you've been criticized attacked called every name in the book they've turned the judicial system against you the intelligence Community 51 uh Intelligence Officers swear that this is a Russian plant this this laptop over here right before the election the media has turned against you print TV radio internet in in the streets not campaigning Donald Trump just real Donald Trump how how do you deal with that stress in in your most private moments so two things number one I don't like thinking about it out of sight out of mind I don't know if that makes sense to I don't want to think about it number two I have tremendous support I have the people's support I think if I didn't I wouldn't be able to handle it so easily when a judge who who has uh conflicts like nobody's ever had wants to put me in jail when he puts a gig order and say if you talk about these things we're going to put you in jail and I'm I'm the Republican candidate I was president I'm leading the Democrat by a lot once to put me in jail I like not to think about it it's like they say oh don't eat that food don't eat this food don't do this don't do that they don't really know it might be good for you it might not be bad it might be good they say it causes cancer I said don't talk to me about I don't want to hear the word I don't want to it's out of side out of mind I think I have a very good disposition for for trauma but I have great support Phil the one thing is because you mentioned lots of groups and you're right about that but I also have great support within the media you know there's a group of people in the media you might be one of them you're a very important Force the fact is I've watched you so long I just felt so confident when you called I said you know otherwise what do I have to subject myself to it for it doesn't make sense but I find it to be a very different and very interesting psych it's a psychological interview that you're doing to you're sort of being my psychiatrist and maybe I could use a psychiatrist everyone so no it's pretty cool but but uh I try not to think about I try not to go into that and very importantly I have tremendous support I have support from the people you look at the polls and they agree with me they sort of a silent majority you know it's a term that's been used over the years but it's a true term I have the support of many more people than they have if we call they the bad guys and I think if I didn't or if I felt I didn't I would not be uh quite the same person you know we all have a personal truth you know is that what we believe about about ourselves when we don't have our mask on when we don't you know I I I put on a nice suit you know I'm going to see the president here I'm I want to be credible look good and we uh you know we put our best foot forward when we step out into the world but we do have a personal truth that what we believe about ourselves that are most vulnerable when nobody's looking nobody's listening maybe it's 3:00 in the morning we wake up looking at the ceiling thinking what the hell am I doing what do you say to yourselves When the Crowds aren't cheering when you're home alone you're you know you're riding in the car you're you're by yourself what is the hardest darkest moment that you can think of in this journey you've been on on the last several years you have to be very strong you're fighting off very evil forces and they're very smart forces there are people that control Biden totally true I think I know who they are largely but there are people that control the very smart very energetic possibly they're real Believers you know what their sick ideology is but you have to be smart and you have to have confidence I mean you have to have a certain confidence the other thing is I realize over the years you I've been through a lot great and bad you know I won the presidency everybody said how are you going to do how good is that it was the most incredible evening that one of the most incredible evenings in the history of the country look at the celebration I mean it was incredible uh but you also go through bad I I also f i I understand fully that the bad also disappears in other words you'll go through bad moments and it disappears it's sort of funny because I've watched your show a lot over the years see I'm not ashamed to say it because some people say oh you watch Dr Phil well you know your show is a very smart show and I've watched you ask a question similar to that to some couple or some and they break down oh they start crying on the show I said that's never happening to me if that happens to me that's the end of my political career I think people actually maybe people would like me better but but I'll tell you what you need strength you have to have strength and people don't want to see that I've watched so many people you break down people and they they don't even know they're being broken down but it's it's different that's the last thing I want to do with you but I do want people to know you I want people to know every aspect of you and I know it about myself I I know that not every time is a great day not every time is a a hard day I thought you led a Charmed Life you never had a problem in your life right yeah I I watched you during that trial that's not a fun time you know it was an ice box that courtroom was so cold really and I believe it was set that way by the judge that courtroom was freezing you know I'd call it the ice box right I say I just sat through 4 hours and I'm not campaigning by doing that that's what angered me they're taking away my voice they're keeping me in this ice box and they're taking away my voice but you know one thing that's you bring it up uh and you haven't asked me the question yet and and uh I'm sure you will although I know we've been doing this for quite a while it's an honor to do it but the hardest part for me is probably my family because it's very unfair to my family I have a very good wife she reads this this crap I have great kids you know what amazed me I gave up my salary I didn't take salary and it's $450,000 approximately $450,000 a year so you know it's still money it's couple of million bucks I didn't I never had a story a good story saying I did I'm not looking for a story what surprised me is there was a couple of stories who else did it nobody everybody took I figured maybe Kennedy it's a pretty rich family I figured the only one that may have done it was George Washington you know George Washington was a very wealthy land owner and they said the only one that may have done is George Washington I figured Roosevelt maybe FDR you know there was some pretty rich presidents every president took their Sal Bush just took their salary I didn't take my salary I gave it up and every month I'd get a call from the fake news uh who because you know you can't really give it up you have to give it to a an organization within government you're not allowed to actually give it so what happens you get the check and then you give it to uh healthy in human services or you give it to the Navy or you give it to the Army or something and every month they say did he give it did he give it and when you show them that you gave it there was no story it was just interesting to see the whole system is rigged I mean it's just a nasty system but uh the the saddest is I'll give you one quick example I have a son da he's a good kid and he wants to help people and they said he was involved with Russia he knows less about about Russia and then that young person sitting right over there who I'm sure knows nothing about Russia and it was Adam Schiff Adam Shifty Schiff a bad guy and he comes out of a so-called intelligence meeting and he goes to a microphone and there's a lot of press gathered because this was during the Russia Russia Russia hoax total hoax had nothing to do five million phone calls I had not one phone call to Russia it was a Hooks and it came out that way and it's nice but it took two and a half years and by the way it was very dangerous because at least Putin understood it was a hoax you know he used to say what's he thought we were crazy to be honest with you he thought he were crazy but Don so they say Adam Schiff comes out and says Donald Trump Jr will go to jail because of what he's done with Russia and it was Adam Schiff and Hillary Clinton and some others in the DNC that they made up a think of how bad you have to be you make up a phony story about Russia Russia Russia the Russia hooks you have the dossier you have the whole thing it's all fake they paid $12 million or something for the dossier 12 million they gave this guy steel a fortune to do a fake story it's called the fake dossier right they go to my son they know it's fake it's not like they're trying that they think it's real they know it's a fake because they made it up and they say Donald Trump Jr will go to jail so I call up my son I said are you okay is there something I don't know how bad do you have to be when you could say about a story that you made up that you know is fake that my son is going to go to jail because of the story how do you deal with that as a father because I've had it happen to me you've met Jordan yes and my other son Jay I I've had stories about them and it infuriates me it's I mean I called him I called them up I knew it wasn't true but I said this guy these are not stupid people I call them watermelon head he's got this th his neck I've ever seen how it holds up that head he's got a neck that's about a size six very unattractive guy both inside and outside and people say oh that's such a terrible thing to say that's okay very unattractive guy here's the thing he's these are bad people and it's not easy to deal with you know when you have your kids involved or your family your wife and you read stuff in most of it is untrue it's just totally untrue but think of that they make up a story and then they say your son's going to jail for something that they know is false these are bad people is that harder to take than when they're talking about you yeah for me it is for me I become I don't know I've become different maybe it would have been tougher I think the fact that I have such unbelievable support helps me a lot it doesn't bother to has it bothered you has there been blowback on Baron because he's younger and yeah more vulnerable it's not easy and he's a great kid he's a good student he's you know got accepted to different colleges he's got his some of those colleges all of a sudden they're riding all over the place you know you're saying but he's a good boy he's a tall boy very tall he's very tall and and he's a great kid he's good-look kid and uh you know he's going to be going to college but he doesn't say it and I think he doesn't say because he doesn't want to hurt me you know he thinks it's a possibly a hurtful conversation but it has to affect my family and I think that's really unfair because I have a very good family I have good kids I have a wonderful wife I mean it's not easy for her to read this kind of stuff that's fake that's to that's fake stuff and but that's the way it is uh it certainly is not a good thing and it yeah it affects me more than it would if it were just about me I wish it could be just about me how's she holding up through all of this I think good but I don't think it's an easy thing for her and I think if it wasn't good she wouldn't want to tell me about it to be honest with you cuz you know she sees that I'm fighting like hell I'm trying to become president and make America great again that's what we're going to do we're going to make America great again they put tremendous obstacles in our way including the 20 million people that are going to be in here by the time this guy gets out it's an election we have to win we're not going to have a country left if we don't win this election have you ever thought that the toll that it takes on your family is too much there are headlines out there that say when you win your second term you are going to make the people that have come after you pay every situation needs a hero what a great opportunity to step up and say you know what it stops here it stops with me I think you'll be impressed we have to unite the country we have to save the country you're watching Merit Street stay tuned for a live Town Hall discussion immediately following Dr Phil's interview with President Trump have you ever thought that the toll that it takes on your family is too much maybe not in the way you expressed that's a very interesting way of expression actually of that of that question uh I haven't really I think to a certain extent I think that my family uh wants me to do it our country is in trouble we could be in a world war very soon we could be we're going to end the problem think of it we're going to end Ukraine fast I'm going to end it fast I know both I know zalinsky I know Putin very well I'm going to get it ended that is a horror show that's going on over there but think of it why are we hundreds of billions of dollars more money why is this happening why is Europe spending a fraction of the money that we're spending there are so many different things about that that are just wrong but my family is good my family loves this country and I think they feel that I do a good job look we had the most successful country we've ever had during my time we had the greatest economy in history of any country do they want you to run or do they tolerate you running interesting question well they tolerate it but at least tolerate yeah they tolerate it I think they love the country I think they think that I do a good job I think they feel that some a lot of people say that this is nobody I get it so often and you know I'm not sure it's right they say there's nobody else that can straighten out this country and again Victor Orban said just recently he's a strong man from a very interesting country and he knows Russia very well he knows he knows zalinski very well he knows Ukraine but he said the only one hungry he said the only one that's going to straighten this out is Trump because he didn't use the word respect he used the word they were afraid of him I don't want to say that about these people these other leaders I don't want to say they were afraid I'm not going to use that term but let's use the word respect they respected me they respected me and they respected our country and they knew if they played games I was going to hit the hell out them with tariffs and lots of other things we have a lot of weapons not just military weapons I rebuilt our entire military by the way our entire military was rebuilt and this person that we have leading us if you can call the word leading with quotes he gave away $85 billion worth of brand new military equipment in Afghanistan in my opinion the lowest day in the history of our country I think probably the the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country was what happened the way we pulled out of Afghanistan we left people behind we had 13 soldiers who I met the parents they're devastated killed nobody ever talks about you would talk about them I put them right up the top 38 soldiers who are no arms no legs faces just wiped out they're trying to live you know trying to live nobody ever talks about them they talk about 13 dead absolutely but they don't talk about 38 soldiers that have been wiped out and then hundreds of people were also killed you know hundreds of people with this mad man set off a bomb should have never left them there should have been in bogram we should have kept bogram bogram is one hour away from where China makes its nuclear weapons we gave it up you know who's occupying bam right now China China we gave the biggest Air Force Base one of the biggest runways one of the most powerful runways 8 foot thick of concrete built when the dollar was very big okay years ago we gave it to the Chinese it should have never happened what we've done I think that was the most embarrassing day and and I have to tell you if that didn't happen I don't know that Putin would have gone in I think Putin watched that catastrophe and he said hey this is a great time to attack Ukraine you think it emboldened him I think so yeah I think so let me ask you this right now headlines everywhere of course you don't respect but there are headlines out there that say when you win your second term that you are going to make the people that have come after you pay retribution and revenge yeah and let me ask you this before you even respond to that I want to play what if with you for a minute what if when you win this election you said enough is enough too much is too much this is a race to the bottom and and it stops here it stops now they've made a half a dozen or more major attempts to take you off the playing board and you just said it stops now I am going to Rise Above This cycle of ugly I'm not going to play this gotcha retribution game it stops now I'll forgive I'll not ever forget but I am not going to play this retribution game I am going to put the American people first not getting my pound of Flesh first you got to do what you got to do but I'm going to put this country as The Shining City on the hill I am moving forward I'm not playing the retribution game it stops with me and it stops here what have you took that approach I'm okay with that I am I'm okay with that sometimes uh I'm sure in certain moments I wouldn't be you know when you go through what I've been through they spot on my campaign you know they spoted in my campaign remember I announced it they did things that people don't even talk about and I got rid of com me and I got rid of a lot of people I got rid of a lot of people thousands of people at the VA I got I cleaned it 9,000 people they were sadus I got rid of but what they've done is bad with all of that being said we have to unite the country Phil the country has to be United this country is a mess every situation needs a hero what a great opportunity for you to stop this cycle this vicious cycle of got you got you back got you got you back every situation needs a hero what what a great opportunity to step up and say you know what it stops here it stops with me I think you'll be impressed uh we have to unite the country we have to save the country that's not really saving the country uh there are people that did some bad things I know who they are and all of that but uh as an example with Hillary Clinton I'd say I'd mention her name everyone's screaming thousands and thousands you I had we just had 107,000 people show up in in New Jersey you saw that 25,000 people showed up in the South Bronx in the South Bronx but we had Wildwood New Jersey 107,000 people was a record they've never had that when I mentioned uh the name Hillary in the previous to the last election they said lock her up lock her up lock her up but I would be there and I TR to almost quiet him there they were going crazy how would it be I win and I lock Hillary Clint up the president's wife the former president's wife I locked her up and how would it be if I took the Secretary of State your secretary of state and we threw her into a prison someplace I think it was terrible and yet now they're trying to do that with me think of it I didn't want to do that I could have done that pretty easily she busted up her phones and she busted up her her laptops and what they did and they put uh bleach bit you know what bleach bit is it's so expensive nobody uses it because it's an acid and it wipes everything out could have done it real easy don't forget she disobeyed a subpoena from the United States Congress and she broke up all this Machinery all this technology after she got the subpoena think of it how would it look if I took the a president of the United States wife and threw her into a prison I I hated it because I wanted to bring the country together and I largely did and I brought it together through success because it was the most successful economy in the history of our country okay now the difference is they're trying to do it to me and maybe you could feel differently about it but I don't feel differently retribution is going to be through success we're going to make it very successful we have to bring the country together and you can do that you know because let me tell you this Revenge thing is there's a lot of research and uh uh Dr James Kimmel at Yale has done this research and and seen neurologically in the brain that there's an addiction to Revenge just like to opioid or whatever and that even if people commit a crime and they get arrested for it they see themselves as the victim and they want revenge against the person that arrested them and then the person that arrested them gets hammered uh so now that person says okay well I'm not going to put up with that so they go back after the criminal now the criminal has been victimized again and so we get into this Loop where we're addicted to it back and forth It's got to stop and you're a we're better than this we must be better than this and you're big enough to do it every situation needs a hero you can stop this you can say no I it ends here it ends with me I think you'll be proud of the job we do and uh you know the word revenge is a very strong word but maybe we have Revenge through success but that's what I'd like to see I want to see the country survive because this country is not going to survive like this and uh and really you know the the expression I think it's the great greatest theme ever in politics maybe because it's the biggest Movement we want to make America great again and that's what we have to do and uh I think you'd be very proud of the job we do you know the pope has a book out that he's written and he says we are all brothers and sisters and there must be no resentment Among Us for any War to truly end forgiveness is necessary otherwise what will follow is not justice but revenge and that's true even in the cultural Wars that we're fighting here I think you you have so much to do you don't have time to get even you only have time to get right well Revenge does take time I will say that it does and sometimes Revenge can be justified for I have to be honest you know sometimes it can but is the country better or worse for them going after you I think the country is really worse for what they've done and I think you see that when you look at the poll numbers when you see that almost 400 million dollar has poured in since this horrible uh decision was made that was a few days ago uh numbers that nobody's ever heard of in politics before uh it's a great honor the people of our country get it you know they're very smart taken as a whole I have to say they're very smart but it's been an honor being with you it really has and uh I think you'd be very proud of the job we do you have rallied people I I had people in my focus group the other night that said I I have not voted for Trump before I have not been a trump fan before but I have donated Trump because he has inspired me I have donated to him and I am voting for him now and I have not before but he has inspired me actually it's been a beautiful thing to watch thank you Mr President it's been an honor speaking with you thank you so much thank you that may have been the longest interview I've ever done and uh you think Biden could do that interview I don't think so after about two questions I think that would be the end of it anyway this was uh it's crazy it's crazy he wouldn't he wouldn't do it we covered a lot of territory right do you think he's going to run I have said no for a year uh he said something El that is very interes he should not be president and it matters it doesn't matter who runs against him when he said that I said Woo you know that right did you hear that statement I did he said it doesn't matter who runs against him with all that being said people say yes he's going to just run I guess so are are you going to tell me who your vice presidential choice is I can't yet but but uh we have some very good people I'm going to do it in the convention come up during the convention we'll do an interview okay this was an honor to be thank you man all right
