Michelle Troconis criminal trial | day 19 afternoon

BL play yes judge yes thank you may I proce yes when we left off I asked you about um the going up to Lichfield on June 12th there was a short interview that was cut short that day correct that's correct then you met with the police again on July 12th of 2019 correct I believe so yes that's the8 hour interview right yes that took place in a police station I believe so yes do you remember which one it was I don't in between you had met with your attorney yes you also saw photo dulos in that month right no you when's the last time you saw photo D the last time I spoke in with him in person was um week after Jennifer disappeared that Friday but you knew he moved back into for ref in crossing right I don't know when but at some point yes you knew he was there right yes but you know Michelle tronus was no longer there right yes did you resign from for group at that point um my last day of work was that Friday when I saw him did you say I quit um I think I think I told him that on the phone um how was it no that that week when he got arrested I just didn't show up at work did you apply for unemployment yes did you claim you'd been fired no did you fill out a form and say you had resigned I don't remember how the form was think there was something like temporary um shutdown or something like that but that wasn't true was it well he wasn't there so I couldn't work well he continued operating the for group didn't he I don't know you recall that your July 12th interview took place in brdb at the State Police Barra do that ring a bell yes you went down there with your attorney right yes you met with the uh was it the state police at that point um yeah I believe so there were more than one detective interviewing you correct correct and they again wanted to go into detail in your whereabouts on May 24th 2019 right I'm sorry can you repeat the question yes they wanted to go into detail with you about your whereabouts on May 24th 2019 correct correct you had at that point difficulty in Remembering some of the details that you had been involved in on that May 24th isn't that true it is and you told the police it was because for you May 24th was another day just like every other day right correct and the police however weren't having that with you were they they were contradicting you just gonna object your answer the form of the question sustained they didn't believe you they told you they didn't believe you right um I know one of the detectives at some point said to me that that that makes sense didn't they say to you that day should be pretty clear to you by now man is that what they said to you I'm going to object judge that well if the council is going to paraphrase then he should just State what he actually said well well what we're not going to countenance is Council talking over each other well the question is did essentially the the actual question is did you think that the police did not believe you that's the actual question to ask they didn't believe you well the objection be foundation so sustain didn't they tell you that they didn't believe you just sub judge is Council my concern your honor is that council is presenting these as direct quotes and I think it would be best to use the actual transcript as opposed to paraphrasing well before we even get to that point the witness can say no this isn't impeachment yet because it does not appear to be impeachment based on a prior inconsistent statement Council was just asking what the police said the witness can say yes they said that no they didn't say that I don't remember overruled can you the question yes didn't they tell you they didn't believe you didn't know what was what you did on May 24 I don't I don't remember them saying they don't believe me didn't they tell you it should be clear to you what you did on that day yes and did you say to them I didn't pay attention is that what you said yes you do recall telling the police though that Mr doulos informed you that he had an appointment with his lawyer on the morning of May 24th right correct and he told you that the day before on the 23rd correct correct you indicated to them you told them you were in new Canan the entire day right judge I'm going to object to the form of these questions question he's asking him what he said in a interview he should pose the question and only if there's an inconsistency should he then ask a more direct question about what Mr gini said on a previous occasion what council is doing is going through the entire or significant portions of a transcript just reiterating the questions that were asked and the questions that were answered the basis of using the transcript is for impeachment this is an IM the court does not know what the purpose of asking the witness is of every question that was asked and every answer that was given that's not impeachment so the court is going to sustain the objection because it's attempt to it's not even an attempt to impeach it's just a rehearsal of what happened and that's basically a waste of time [Music] sustained you claim in this courtroom the other day that you didn't went down to New Canaan you were there all day right T I was there from before 10:00 a.m. to around 2:30 p.m. you claimed you were at the uh house on Sturbridge Hill Road that entire time once you arrived there correct good you said you went there directly from your um house in Simsbury correct correct you didn't stop it for Jefferson Crossing did you I did when it's not rush hour it takes takes you from your home to get down in new Canan back then if there isn't um traffic what about an hour and a quarter maybe is that about right about an hour and 30 minutes at least but you weren't there all day were you till 2:30 I other than leaving for lunch around 12 that I I'm not sure of I I would be there did you come back from lunch and go back to Sturbridge hill come back from lunch and go back to St show yeah you said you left for lunch I it's possible I don't I'm not sure did what time did you leave for lunch it could have been um I couldn't recover that day so I it could have been between 12 and one every day for you was about the same in terms of when you were down there taking a lunch um sometimes I would bring my own lunch and just have it at at the job site well how about that day May 24th where did you go for lunch I said to the investigators that it's possible that I went for for lunch to Chinese restaurant did you name that Chinese restaurant for them I believe I sent them the address at some point the police told you that there was surveillance video from across the street at from 61 Sturbridge Hill Road didn't they they mentioned that to me yes you were you there was a house right across the street from where the one that where you were building right I was never shown that um that's not my question my question is was there a house across the street from 61 Sturbridge Hill Road yes people were living there right it was a finished house yes the police told you that they had video cameras ring doorbell cameras from across the street right judge I object hearsay going through the transcript again this is just a repeat of the interview it's a waste of time if it's not impeachment if it's not imp it is impeachment it is not impeachment because you're not indicating that he testified as to one version of events on one day and today is saying something else so it's not impeachment it's not an impeachment by a prior inconsistent statement that wasn't the you are reading a transcript first of all you're on I'm reading from my notes I'm not reading from a transcript number two there are other ways to impeach a witness besides prior inconsistent statements well the court has not heard it sustained there were no you were not there on on the uh 24th of May 2019 with a four group vehicle were you meaning where at 61 Sturbridge Hill Road uh the May 24th 2019 right in the afternoon you weren't there at all I was there from around 10 to 2 2 2 to 3:00 2 I left around 2 or 3:00 you were there you left you said at 2: or 3 yes and you went out for lunch to a Chinese restaurant or you don't know prior to leaving um for the day so not at 12 or 1 that day between 12 And1 to my best guest and then you said you came back right correct right well I'm going to show you um what has been marked as exibit double A and first show you and before I show you that let me just ask you a question when you parked at 61 Sturbridge Hill Road you always parked at the same place in the by is in the driveway closer to the road correct by the garage by the garage yes right to the if you were pulling into that GAR into that driveway it was the right hand garage right yes and you parked not in the garage but in front of the garage right yes and you could see the street from where you parked right possible and you could see there was a house across the street right yes and that's the house that the police said to you how can you explain that there is not I'm sorry I haven't asked my question yet well I object to the argument well first of all the question was that's the house the police said to you and what's the objection coun my objection Y is the same objection that I made earlier which is number one it's here say number two it's improper impeachment well the court does not know what the question will be and it's and it's not being offered for the truth it's being offered to show that he responded to that question well again the runup to the questions appear to this court to be a waste of time the questions can be asked directly did the police tell you X and what was your response and what was their response so the court is going to overrule the objection do you recall the police saying to you that they you could that they could you couldn't explain or how to explain the fact that you're not seen on video from across the street didn't they tell you that no they did not all right I'm going to show you um what I believe is uh being offered without objection AA that's correct judge no objection defense AA admitted as full so you were there on days prior to um May 20 you you were there during that entire week of uh May 24th correct I don't remember if I was there every day but um I'm sure I was there some days all right you were there um on May uh 19th I I don't remember all right well I'm going to show you a short clip if I can please if you could look on the screen can you see it yeah all right so could you freeze it and enlarge it please now you see before we even enlarge it do you recognize this house across the street from this [Music] video [Music] I I don't see it clearly what what the house is you don't see the house that's not 61 sturb Hill Road the the response was I cannot see clearly what the house is all right could I have it enlarged please that area yes it looks like 61 subbage yes and I see a um vehicle parked in the driveway won't work okay do you see the uh white vehicle where the cursor is right there yes that's the white Cherokee that's owned by the Ford group isn't it I don't know that's the Cherokee were you driving any other white SUV when you were down at uh 61 I object judge to misstates the testimony entirely well the the witness can't identify what council has identified as the white Cherokee is that is that where you parked this is where I would normally park yes but you're not agreeing that that's the vehicle you drove to 61 stage h Road on May 19th 2019 May 19 I would be driving Raptor I believe your testimony would have been the Raptor and not this vehicle right there right I believe I had that Raptor for two two weeks prior right could you show the witness please May 24th please this is from 1 p.m. on May 24th there any vehicle parked there at uh 1 p.m in 61 uh Sturbridge Hill Road I don't see any but the car that you would bring there was always visible from the road isn't that true yes when the police told you that there was no video of you in the afternoon at sturb Hill Road you had no answer for them did you judge I'm just going to object again this is improper impeachment well the question is the well really a number of questions the police talked to you about where you were on a certain date you said you were here they told you you weren't there and you responded nothing I mean that's how the question breaks down so the court will allow [Music] it right can you read the question sure when the police pointed out that there was no way to document that you were there because there was no video of you and asked you to explain it you couldn't explain it could you I don't recall them saying to me that there was no video of me you don't recall them saying that to you just have a moment you could try that could use this would watching a short clip from your interrogation on July 12th be helpful in refreshing your memory yes could I play then I'm just going to show well judge respectfully I think that the state is entitled to inspect whatever clip they're going to play before it's presented to the jury as a matter of fact refresh recollection is generally not to be published to the jury so well the clip is going to be played on uh Mr Len's monitor understood judge but the sound will be audible I like the opportunity to inspect the clip I as I would any other exhibit that's appropriate [Applause] for I just don't have s EX for at this stage give [Music] for [Applause] for what are you looking for I honor I don't want to take up any more time looking for the specific place so I'm going to um move on you testified that you took uh you sent a text to photo stus on 212 is that right I don't remember the specific time I I remember I was I was texting him yes your claim though that you were still at sturd Hill Road at uh 212 in the afternoon when you sent that text um possible yes well anything's possible in fact didn't you leave at 12:30 and not come back yes I think so you went somewhere else a new can in that afternoon right at what time after you left Sturbridge Hill Road at what time I'm asking you it's possible that I went for lunch and then didn't go back to the house I think i' come back you said you had the Raptor that day is that correct yes if I show you a document that pinpoints the location of the um allegedly pinpoints the location of the Raptor might that refresh your recollection judge I'm going to object you didn't indicating his recollection refreshed he said he thinks he came back so I think this is improper well the question has to be asked in such a way that there's no confusion as to whether he's saying he does not remember whether he came back or he believes he did come back and I I'd also like to be heard on this exhibit at a certain point also perhaps at sidebar the court does not know what the exhibit is I understand I just want to be right if we just have a brief sidebar judge yes would showing the document perhaps Rec help you recall what time you left 61 Stage Hill Road in the Raptor that day I think so all right I'm going to mark this for ID may approach yes showing you what has been marked for BB for identification just going to ask you to look at it and see if that refreshes your recollection as to what time you left 61 Sturbridge Hill Road on May 24th 2019 yeah so 9:53 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. at Sturbridge here Road and so that refresh recollection yes so that could have been when I left for lunch but your claim is that you came back or you don't recall I believe I did but you're not sure I'm not sure enough what did you have for uh lunch at that Chinese restaurant I don't remember what did the uh person who served you look like I don't remember did you do anything else while you were down in new Kanan on May 24th 2019 in the afternoon I believe I was just working at the house and possibly went for lunch and came back you go anywhere else no reason what street was this Chinese restaurant on I don't remember remember do you ever go there before yes do you remember the name of it no you were at the Shell station in I think it was a Shell station you said in in Farmington at 433 according to that exhibit yes that's when you paid for your gas right yes so you filled up the tank yes then as I understand it you went [Music] to 585 first to get a uh to pick up that 2x10 I went to Fort Jefferson you went to Fort Jefferson you saw a phone sitting in a cradle right charging a charging phone cradle whatever right yes and you recognize that was fotus is charging cradle right I not sure whose phone was it did you try calling the phone no but it there you saw you noticed that there was a phone in the Cradle right correct so when you tried calling photus he didn't answer right I tried to call photus when I was outside so I didn't I couldn't see if that phone that particular phone was ringing or even was on silent you don't even know that right but in any event when you went in you saw a phone in the Cradle right right yeah you went upstairs to the office to look for the keys yes you didn't see the keys there right so then you went to 585 deer Cliff right right correct from Fort Jefferson right correct and how far was the intersection of Jefferson Crossing to 585 deer CL I couldn't tell you like it's not it's a short distance driving distance 585 just so we're clear is on the uh left side of deer Cliff as you're heading north right correct that's one of these houses it was in bad shape right it was all broken up correct from damage it wasn't damage it was just old house but it wasn't occupied right new yeah I'm right correct correct but it had nice views down the valley on that side of the street right on um on the opposite side of the street yes yeah well I mean from that house I mean from you've been in that house right correct so what I'm trying to do is Orient you know Jefferson Crossing doesn't have views of the valley does it no it has view so as you went to that 585 there was a 2x10 you said just one one that I needed it could have been more and that was in the garage I believe so yes and you put it in the back of the Raptor right correct and from there you went down to 80 Mountain Spring Road right correct why would you bring the 2x10 down to 80 Mountain Spring Road I believe my initial thought was to try to load the door bike on the Raptor since I didn't have a key for to T so my initial thought was to go back to um for Jefferson but you didn't do that no so did you assume that I just photus would be at 80 I just took a right to 80 to see see what if he's there or maybe the key is in the truck so you assumed he might be there just went there to to see you did know there was a showing of that house the next day didn't you no you didn't know that no you also said that um yesterday that nobody that you never saw Michelle do any cleaning before of any of the houses that were completed is that what you said yesterday I don't recall saying that yesterday well because I just want to be clear there was an occasion when if there was going to be a showing or a a bunch of houses a bunch of Realtors going to come everyone might pitch in and do a little bit of cleaning up dusting and stuff like that right I don't recall situation like that now have you ever done that um at 80 Mountain Spring Road no no no not at 80 at any location yeah I'm sure I've done some cleaning Andy Lumis had done it possibly Gom possibly and Michelle right I don't recall I was seeing Michelle doing that so we've saw the um the video of you arriving at at 80 Mountain Spring Road correct shows you driving in we see that what into 80 mountain spring on the on the afternoon of the 24th in the Raptor yes and you said that they were surprised to see you but then everything right after that was normal right correct so you didn't make any plans to see photus down at 80 mountain spring did you and when you said they were acting completely normal but you meant you saw nothing out of the ordinary right right nothing suspicious that they were doing correct nobody was seem to be in a rush no they weren't trying to get rid of you and tell you to move along or why don't you get out of here or anything like that no they weren't trying to hide anything from you I didn't notice that no they didn't seem agitated when they saw you no they didn't seem nervous to you the first M second or two when I pulled in they they seem to be um surprised surprised now I'm using the they didn't seem nervous to you no and the Tacoma was exactly where you had left where it had been left by photo stus the night before right go you didn't see any um garbage bags no around you didn't see any uh rolled up carpets around no you didn't see any rugs or mats no you didn't see any towels or bed covers no it by the way it was still light out on this date right right before Memorial Day weekend we're on 5 5:00 I would assume yes yeah and um it was um Memorial Day weekend and you were planning on celebrating I guess was it the next day when was it when when was your wife's birthday was the next day or the following week where you mean when the event was the event yeah um the Saturday the next day yes by the way um down at 80 mountain spring when you got there um you never went inside right correct you didn't think it was even uh if there was you didn't know there was a um a showing at that house right I don't recall knowing of showing next day it wasn't your project correct correct it was whose and the Lumis you don't know what arrangements then he had made to show that house right just going to object your honor cumulatively indicated he didn't know well this is a different question well at this point it's not relevant because the initial question was you did not know that there was going to be a showing so to follow up with that is to who was going to be the project manager or who was going to be involved in the showing is a waste of time sustained from your experience uh after a house was completed there there was still a lot of dust in those finished houses before they were sold correct correct in fact the um the duct system would actually spread dust around the house if it had an air system right cor so whenever you went in these houses if they were uh unoccupied it might there might be a little surface dust on on various items right right correct on the countertops right correct on the floor maybe in the sink right correct windows dust right yes incidentally it wasn't unusual for photus to take a Hands-On approach to do cleaning was it I've seen him don't yes in other words he wasn't the one of these hands off guys that wore white gloves and let everyone else do the work and he just sat in his office right he would show up at job sites correct correct he'd help out if need be right correct in fact if I recall your testimony fotus and you walked around the property to look how the grass was growing in from you seeding it right corre so you actually did some work at 80 Mountain Spring Road right correct even though it wasn't your project correct corre did you do the whole I mean we saw that satellite picture did you do the whole lawn yourself I don't remember how much of it that I did I I'm pretty sure I did around the house um but if the side in the lower yard I did it I don't I don't recall it did you put we see in that image there's pink tape along the sides of the driveway in that image we watched a little bit ago remember yes and was that to keep people from driving on the lawn and keeping them right on that um crushed stone driveway I believe dulos put this up you he put it up did weren't you sort of with him checking it out to make sure it was not going to blow down or fall down yes we watched those videos it was pretty windy that day wasn't it yes we see all those trees blowing just in those clips right yes correct by the way the um you knew that the that doulos Mr doulos had a housekeeper a clean a house cleaner for his house right for for Jefferson yes you knew her ranata right I met her yes well you more than meant you spoke polish with her didn't you yes she was from Poland you were from Poland right correct so you knew who she was was I knew her name is rata and she's cleaning houses I I didn't know her personally you never had saw photus have rata cleaning any of these houses that he was building did you not R not what not Rado no whether you knew there was a showing or not you did know that that house was for sale right Cor you knew there was one of these large four group advertisement signs and a for salees sign right cor were you ever in the office when inquiries were coming in about that house for sale 80 mountain spring I don't call it then when we watch that video I just want to be clear you thank you bless thank you you drove out in the Raptor first correct this is on May 23rd I'm sorry withdrawn that was May 24th you left in the Raptor fotus left in the Suburban and Michelle left in the Jeep correct I left in Raptor um and I know they left in those two cars I I believe um phot is left in Suburban right photus left in the Suburban Michelle left in the gep right I believe yes didn't we just watch that this morning would you just didn't you just go through that with question didn't we watch it this morning is not probative sustained do you recall that we watched it we saw it this morning judge I OB question suain all three of you left within moments of each other correct correct you then drove back to Ford Jefferson with photus right behind you correct no where did you go 585 you went to 585 you still had this 2x10 in the back of the truck right correct why didn't you bring the 2x10 to for Jefferson Crossing because I was going to go right back to 80 Mountain Spring Road to get my truck and park my truck at 585 der and FIS D was going to pick me up why bring the 2x10 with you at all in the Raptor you mean um when I left foror Jefferson no when you left uh yeah when you left uh for Jefferson I just explained that earlier well you explained it but I'm not understanding you you went and went and got the 2x10 at 585 right correct you put it in the Raptor correct correct not in your vehicle correct why didn't you then move the uh 2x10 into the Raptor since I mean into the Tacoma since that's what your plan was at what point at any point I don't know this is just what I did you left the 2x10 in the Raptor driving it back to Ford Jefferson Crossing driving back to 585 but your rap but your Tacoma was still down at 80 mountain spring yes is there a reason for that no reason no reason you just wanted to carry the 2x10 in the back of the truck just there so I I didn't take it all right so I just want to be clear when you went to 80 Mountain Spring Road you did not put anything in the back of the Raptor right at 80 M than Spring Road yeah no you had already put that 2 by10 in the back correct at 585 it was you would put it in but it was still in the Raptor when you were down at 80 mountain spring right correct and it was sticking out past the back of the Raptor right correct it was taking up a fair amount of room wasn't it yeah you didn't see fotus doulos put anything in the back of the Raptor while you were down at 80 M spring did you I didn't excuse me I didn't you didn't see Michelle tonus put anything in the r back of the Raptor either did you I didn't when Michelle you and fotus dulos left 0 mountain spring you had indicated yesterday that Michelle IND told you that she had to go drop off or pick up rugs is that correct correct and just so we're clear she had indicated that she was picking up rugs right I don't recall if she said picking up or or dropping off or meeting with someone in in in regards of of rugers yes you know that she had this interior decoration side business where she sold rugs correct yes I heard of that before I'm sorry I heard of that before yes and you had actually seen some of them they were on display at sometimes at the four group offices weren they I've seen them yes and she you knew that she sold them through various furniture stores and other interior design stores around the Farmington Valley correct um I knew she was selling selling them somehow I just don't recall how I didn't hear your last part I didn't I just don't know how she was selling how but you knew that you had seen her negotiating talking about prices of rugs and stuff right showing to people I don't recall showing to people or negotiate prices but I I I was aware of her selling okay when you got back to for Jefferson Crossing is that when you realized that the that you didn't have the Tacoma key when I got back to for Jefferson coring yeah after leaving 0 mountain spring I knew I didn't have the Tacoma key you saw it sticking out of the door of the Tacoma as you were driving out right correct and Mr dulos and Michelle were behind you pulling out correct correct and you thought that Michelle took the key because it was hanging out of the door and she didn't want to leave it there correct that was possibly yes well not just that's what you told the police right yeah and immediately when you got back to 80 mountain spring and saw that the key wasn't in the door you told Mr doulos Right that the key wasn't there right correct he immediately called Michelle right correct no he did not he asked me if I want to take home the Raptor he asked you if you wanted to keep the Raptor you said no yes there was no pushback right yeah I I can say that that there was no push back when you said you wanted your rap you wanted your Tacoma he then called Michelle right cor and she came back within less than 10 minutes isn't that true true we watched the video of her coming back isn't that right correct and I wrote down the time it was like seven minutes till she got back right right correct you took the keys right yes were you able to start your Tacoma this time or did you have to do that thing with the I was able to start you were able to start it and now you drove up to 585 right correct where was this 2x10 at this point it was at 55 on the side of the house so when you left 80 mountain spring earlier you drove back up to 585 and unloaded the 2x10 that you had put in the uh Raptor earlier correct correct then you drove well how did you get back to for Jefferson Crossing um on which point after you dropped off the 2x10 and left your Tacoma at 585 I didn't drop off 2 by10 when I was leaving the Tacoma the 2 by10 was already was already there oh when you had the Raptor you left it there correct okay so now you drove where did you go from 80 mountain spring when now that you had your Tacoma I left the Tacoma at U 585 how did you get back to Ford Jefferson Crossing where the motorcycle was douas was following me with um with daptor I'm sorry with the what dlos was following me with daptor I'm sorry so Mr doulos drove up to 585 with you he was following me with the Raptor and then you got out of the out of the Tacoma and went into the Raptor correct and then drove back to for Jefferson Crossing with him yes and then you used a battery charger to jump start the uh motorcycle right go and you drove it up to 585 correct on the road on and I had asked you if there was anything in the back of the Tacoma there was you there was nothing in the back of your Tacoma uh other than uh you said there was a bucket right the bucket was inside the C not on the back of the truck oh there was nothing in the back of the truck right other than bung cords and and and stps that I used to hold on the door bike did you say like bungee cords yes and there are no bags in the back of that of the Tacoma right no there were no other tools in the back of it right I don't go see I and certainly there were no garbage bags certainly no no garbage bags by the way when um photus dulos called Michelle were you standing right there to get bring back the keys I don't remember um if I was standing right next to him or within six or 10 feet away from him like I don't we call it well you heard him asked her to come back if she's got the keys right with the keys my understanding was that when I asked him um if he has a key he said uh oh no Michelle has the key I got I have to call her all right and you saw him call right so I'm put a either text or put his phone to his ear right possibly yes he didn't say he couldn't get in touch with her did he no nor and he didn't deny that she had the key did he on Sunday May 26 you were not at work right correct and you were not on work on Monday May 27th because that was Memorial Day correct correct but photo stus called you on the weekend to tell you that Jennifer was missing isn't that right correct that was on that Sunday the 26th the believe so yes you didn't see him at all though that weekend until Tuesday right go ahead had anyone else told you or suggest asked you if that you had heard what had happened about Jennifer du us being missing I believe Stefan rich either call me or text me um earlier that Sunday and that's when you started searching the internet for stories about it I don't recall searching for storage that Sunday but it's possible you didn't ask photo dulos on that call on Sunday when he told you that Jennifer was missing if he had any idea where she was did you I don't recall asking him no you thought she had just disappeared or ran away or something right it's going to object to relevance judge well what he thought happened or could have happened what's the relevance Council there's already been well there's already been testimony that he could not believe that fotus Doos was involved involved so what is the relevance of this question his State of Mind this witness's state of mind well his State of Mind is not relevant as to what he thought may have happened what he testified to is he didn't believe photus doulos had anything to do with sustain you were in possession of that Tacoma from Friday afternoon until Tuesday when you went to Ford Jefferson Crossing correct correct and and I just want to be clear you saw nothing unusual or different about your Tacoma correct I over that weekend I didn't look I I I wasn't suspicious of anything there was nothing unusual in it [Music] um no I didn't discover the bucket until Tuesday morning you saw the bucket on Tuesday morning right go and U let me ask you about that you said there was a blue jacket or sweatshirt of some sort in there correct correct did you take it out of the bucket no it was kind of a light blue wasn't it correct it was not a dark navy blue no that particular sweatshirt or jacket you you hadn't seen that before no by the way you didn't see anything that looked like blood in your vehicle did you no or anything that one might consider a stain that might be red or brown that wasn't something had always been in there no now you testified that the morning of [Music] Tuesday that you were there for how long before you left to go to new Canan I don't remember but could have been um half hour 40 minutes 45 minutes in any of do you know what time you arrived had to be around 8:00 in the morning just have a moment for much of the time that you were at the house with Michelle and fotus on the morning of the um the 20 [Music] 7th you had indicated that you knew what you were doing on May 24th so you didn't need to write it down is that right I didn't say I knew I was doing but uh at the 24th you told fotus didn't you that you didn't need to write down what you were doing that day correct for the 24th when he asked you yes because you knew what you were doing right I didn't remember at that day what I was doing I remember him asking me what I was doing on Friday and I told him I was in UK and and he asked me if there was contractors and I told him I think so but I'm not sure it could have been that I was there by myself so we're talking about three days later you didn't know whether there were any contractors there or not I at that moment I didn't know enough and that's because May 24th was another day just like every other day for you right go you didn't tell him that You' gone to a Chinese restaurant for lunch did you no you didn't tell that to the police either right I at some point I did you told them the name of the place back then if you remembered it object that's that's not the question the question is did you tell the police you went to a Chinese restaurant and now the next question is did you tell them the name of the place right first the the litany uh questions concerning the Chinese restaurant we'll put it this way that ground has been plowed so any further discussion of the Chinese restaurant is a waste of time sustained you didn't tell the police on June 2nd 2019 that you'd gone to a Chinese restaurant for lunch did you well the court just said any discussion again of the Chinese restaurant is grounds it's a ground that has been plowed it's a waste of time so let's talk about um the day that um you saw that your truck was all sparkly clean you couldn't remember the exact day that was correct well judge I'm going to object to the question he didn't testify that it was quote sparkly clean I think it's sarcasm I'm objecting to the form of the question well it's not argumentative your honor it's a preliminary question it has nothing to do with the manner I don't have to quote exactly what he said it's not a proper objection it's a preliminary question council is objecting to the adverb well the witness can respond in the way in which the witness decides to respond so overrule can you repeat the question sure whether I use the word spark there's a there's a chain of uh car washes called Mr Sparkle right possibly yes all right but I'm just going to ask you you noticed that your vehicle had been cleaned right yes you weren't sure of the date but um you believe believe that it was the next day after the uh meet up in the kitchen on the 27th that would be on the Wednesday I I'm sorry I'm getting my dates wrong instead of it being Tuesday your first day back to work do you believe it was the next day after that I'm not sure like like I stated before I ever since I gave police my phone I I couldn't recover exact timing and days of of all the events well it wasn't the same day that you were in the kitchen where fotus wanted you to write down what you did on the previous Friday was it judge objection asked and answered about three times at this point your honor it's about the truck I'm trying to pinpoint the data I certainly have not asked this question well the question is the appearance of the truck having been cleaned was not seen on the same date that that pus doulos asked you to write down essentially a timeline that's the question right so if it's been asked and answered before the court is not going to disallow the question so overrule can you upe the question yes the day that you saw that your car had been washed was was a day later at least than the day that you had um been in the kitchen and fot has tried to talk to you to write down what you did right wasn't the same day I I think it was either um that Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday afternoon so if it was Tuesday afternoon you're saying it would be the same day that you saw them and you were talking to them in the kitchen that morning right great but you're not certain about that right and you uh I think told a joke about what are you going to get my car fixed too you remember that right correct and he and you were joking back and forth about it right he says no just um just green this is probably a good time for take the afternoon recess we will reconvene ladies and gentlemen at 3:30 please do not discuss the care all right this honorable Supreme Court is now opening back session good afternoon your honor good afternoon please be seated before the jury comes in May I just briefly your honor um I'm just going to ask for a little bit of leeway on cross-examination we just went through days of the states Witnesses reading from their reports including negative findings so if I'm asking a question it's not the same question it has to do with how this witness was interviewed multiple times and if the point has to do with inconsistencies on different dates maybe the court considers it a waste of time but I'm asking for a little bit of leeway in light of the fact that you know we just went through Pro what I thought was a days of a waste of time so if I may well what the court is concerned about attorney sha horn is not that uh the cross-examination uh is uh in appropriate it's the amount of time leading up to the inconsistency so of course the court uh the code allows basically impeachment of any witness bias for prejudice against or interest in any matter but the court is concerned again with trying to keep the trial under the overestimate and so the court is not indicating that the attempts to impeach are inappropriate it's just the leadup to the impeaching question takes so much time the court has to be concerned about that can we bring in the jury please yes sir the council stipulate please yes judge yes so when uh you discovered that Mr doulos had cleaned and washed your car that day um you already knew that Jennifer doulos had been missing since the previous Friday right correct you didn't think there was any connection between those two things did you not at this moment no I'm sorry not at what not at this moment no not at that moment right so maybe in hindsight at that time even after he watched your car you didn't suspect that photo stus had anything to do with The Disappearance of his wife correct correct and you'd known fotus you te testified for many many years correct correct so you knew what he was like in general right correct he wasn't a stranger to you no you seen him when he gotten angry sometimes right very rarely rarely did he get angry though correct correct he was happy sometimes you saw him happy right correct he you never thought he was hiding things from you did you correct now on I believe you testified it was Thursday the day before you first encountered the police that fotus doulas um suggested you go to a junkyard and buy some used seats to replace the ones in your truck right correct and I already asked you you went to uh to at least two junkyards right correct and then you also went to uh I didn't quite understand a used auto parts store no I went to junkyard and the second junkard was more more like a auto used auto parts store are they the ones that said you could order some Tacoma seats that might work in your car corre in your truck I mean correct okay but it would take a few days right correct but you didn't order those seats did you I didn't and when you went back you told fotus that um you couldn't find any right correct and he seemed angry that or at least disapp you tell me was he angry about that yes did he yell at you not into um he wasn't raising his voice into um the minute when um when I told him that that I'm not going to do it okay that didn't come yet I'm trying to go in order here right he was annoyed that you couldn't find find any right correct so he he was asking you to try elsewhere try something else right correct now he also said to you when you were looked to when he told you to go look for seats he said let's not call them seats that's what you testified right correct said to call them Hardware correct didn't that strike you as strange it did but again you still didn't suspect that this had anything to do with Jennifer doulas did you I I was suspicious about it I was just um just wasn't fitting in my head that he would be capable of doing such thing so it didn't raise any red flags when you went and actually looked for seats right it it did Red raise red flags it just I just I was analyzing him on that Friday um and um it just didn't make sense for me but you still went and looked at at least two different locations right correct and you did confront him and ask him why am I doing this and you wanted an answer from him right correct this was Friday uh afternoon right correct and he had told you that a few weeks earlier in Mother's Day he had either picked up the cat or hugged Jennifer and some hair may have gotten on him and gotten on the car on his clothes and on the Tacoma right correct that you were you found that acceptable at that moment didn't you for cleaning the car yes not not for replacing the seats no but for cleaning it right correct so that Friday you did remove the seats from the Cayenne right correct you had indicated I think that it was difficult to move the seats because the battery was dead so you first had to go and get a car charger to put enough battery power back in the Porsche Cayenne so you could move the seat back right correct cuz the seats were all forward and you couldn't even reach the bolts to to um take them out right correct you were in the Jeep Cherokee at that point correct correct so when I asked you before about when you went down to new Canan you always drove the Raptor this day you took the Cherokee correct just subject judge mischaracterizes the testimony no well again um this is this is what the court uh had discussed earlier right now the court just hears a re iteration of the direct but the reiteration of the direct is not cross-examination the court is giving Council some leeway but after a certain number of reiterations there has to be a question that that's going to be relevant to the defense not simply reiteration of direct the court will allow it a little longer that day you had taken the Jeep Cherokee to new Canan correct that Friday when I was um replacing the seats yes that day you had it all day the Jeep right yes okay you had those Cayenne seats in the back of the Jeep at the moment you were on for Jefferson Crossing when the police were there right correct so you changed the seats in your Tacoma after you had had the encounter with the police isn't that right correct over the weekend I believe that was the same Friday that night after you got home correct you did it in your driveway in Simsbury and my gosh in sbest in your garage in so you had the Tacoma in the garage G yes and you had the jeep parked in the driveway behind the garage or in front of the garage oh on the street yes okay when you change the seats um who was home at your house at that time I believe my wife and my kids your mother doesn't live with you in simsberry does she no or brothers and sisters of you no were you made aware that um one of your hairs or your or some DNA from one of your hairs was found in a on a sponge in a garbage bag found on Albany Avenue were you told that no at any time no nobody even asked you about that I believe the prosecutors asked me um if uh if I had any if I remember correctly green and yellow sponges in my truck did you no by the way um I showed you pictures of the uh extraction the Craigslist search of Tacomas we saw them uh earlier today right correct that Sunday after the disappearance you were also searching for flights to crack out Poland weren't you correct by the way you were you were questioned about how it was that your um searches were all deleted off of your phone remember being asked that correct time you had no explanation for that correct well I'm going to object your honor well the witness can respond in any way in which the witness chooses to respond so the question is you had no explanation for the deletions and what's the objection so my objection is that it's a vague question what what what is Council referring to is he referring to the testimony is he referring to the police this is what the witness can ask so if the witness does not understand the question the w can say he doesn't understand the question can repeat the question do you understand my question or do you need me to rephrase it can you repeat it sure the police told you that that when they took your phone they analyzed your phone on Sunday May 26th your um searches had been deleted for a period of time do you remember them asking you that yes and you told them you have no idea how that happened correct correct and the whole time that you were doing searches for new to or new used Toyotas and flight you still did not believe that photo had anything to do with it correct [Music] correct in fact you didn't even think he was the kind of guy who would do that isn't that right correct [Music] correct so before you gave a uh written statement um the police gave you a choice didn't they oh object your honor that's very vague question okay I'll ref the police basically told you to quote pick a team unquote didn't they during that in in um they said either that um you were oblivious and didn't know what was going on or you help them prosecute Doos correct they were asking me to sure tell them tell them what I know and isn't that when they also said we'd hate to see this screw up your citizenship e possible you were asked questions yesterday about um conversations with Mr zeisler do you remember those questions about whether a light could be a camera or an installation of of things that looked like lights but were actually cameras something along those lines do you remember that questions correct do you remember that the police asked you whether uh you brought that up to the police didn't you correct and that was after they said look look is there anything in hindsight that seemed normal at the time but maybe in hindsight looks suspicious and that's when you mentioned the questions about it at that point right about Mr zeisler and the conversation about the cameras right yes I believe I I I I spoke to one of the investigation investigators prior to to my interview that but it came up where they were asking me to look back and see was there anything else that didn't seem suspicious at the time that maybe now does you remember that's where you thought back and you said hm that seems suspicious now right good now you also brought up uh without even a question that you had taken off the license plate for the Raptor do you remember telling the police that on July 12th yes you said that you removed the Bolts from the Raptors uh from the license plate from the from the bumper judge I'm just going to object to the form of the question well the court understood the question to me to be did you tell the police you took the or at least a marker plate off of the Raptor that's how the court understood the question is that the question yes and what is the objection my objection is to the form of the question judge he keeps referring back to the previous statement to pose questions to the witness did you do this did you do that as opposed to referencing a previous statement which is not being used for impeachment purposes so my objection is technical in nature but I think these questions are all improper well the the question is did you tell the police you took the marker plate off of the Raptor uh whenever that occurred uh is apparently not Germain to the [Music] question that can be followed up I I'll rephrase the question you did remove the uh Raptor license plate prior to uh being interviewed by the police correct correct and then you told them about it correct the um I just have a few more questions sir you had mentioned on um direct exam that you recall that Mr dulos had this antique bicycle correct correct it was a road bike with the skinny tires right like a racing bike yes yeah so a racing bike with the what they call Rams Horn type so you could lean forward and go pretty fast right go but it was kind of in bad shape wasn't it I wouldn't say it was bad shape it was in good shape it was old bicycle it's a very old bicycle right in fact hadn't you had to even fix it at one point he asked you to repair the tires or something correct you said that you thought it was um at the time didn't you say that it was just some kind of European Model D told me that was a French bicycle okay but that's all you knew about at the time yes and just have a moment by the way um you were showing a picture of the garage at Ford Jefferson Crossing uh I think either this morning I think right correct there were a lot of bicycles in that garage weren't there correct no further question redirect Mr git you were asked on Cross examination about your dirt bike do you recall that yes I do who did that dirt bike belong to when you purchased it Michelle and can you just explain to the jury the arrangements that you made to purchase the dirt bike I believe um fotus Dulas either texted me or called me um that he was purchasing Yamaha dir bike smaller dir bike for Michelle and um he told me that they giving him like $1,800 for um trade in and he told me I rather sell to you for $1,800 so you can ride with us then just leave it at the dealership and he asked me if I was interested to purchase it from him and I told him if I can negotiate with him a little bit and I believe I negotiated to like $1,500 and I paid him the money and um and I spoke with Michelle and she had a I believe loan on the bike in Florida so she didn't have have a physical title of it and at some point later on I asked her if she paid off the loan and and can I have the title and um Michelle I can't remember if that was either text or or in person told me that um that she has the the bike was paid off she has the title but it's electronically and you paid Mr dulos is that correct correct and then Mr shorn brought up on Cross examination you had to meet him and give the dirt bike back is that correct I um I received a call from uh Farmington Police and I forward that phone call to Mr uro right because the defendant was claiming that she never sold you the bike correct correct I want to just play a clip from the defendant's interview if I could this is interview one I'm going to object to this being played to this witness if this witness hasn't seen it then it's not proper to be shown to this witness that's interesting judge because earlier today Mr shorn showed an exhibit to this witness that he hadn't seen this is a full exhibit I'd like to publish it to the jury well question well Court understands the offer to be of a segment of an interview correct that's correct sir so of course now the code is written before the development of the techn the technology that we have today so if I prop for your honor well according according to the code you have to disclose to the witness what the inconsistent statement was sest if there is an Inc consistant statement yes sir this is the defendant statement which has already been admitted into evidence my issue your honor that I'm taking is the suggestion on cross-examination I believe the specific question was posed to Mr gin that was never your bike suggesting that Michelle tronus hadn't sold it to him I'd like to play a clip that's already been admitted into evidence and then I'd like to ask some questions about it so this is an interview with the defendant that's correct sir your honor I was not permitted the state objected to showing even a clip from Mr gan's interview with the police so there isn't a question you would have to lay a foundation that this witness was aware of that because otherwise what's he going to do have this witness characterize what someone else said which would clearly be improper judge that's apples and oranges number one the clip that Mr shorn wanted to play wasn't in evidence this is that's Point number one point number two I didn't actually object to the clip being played what I said was I'd like the opportunity to inspect it and then he looked for it and looked for it and looked for it and then said he was going to move on so he misstates the record well the court is going to because the testimony is essentially controverted that brought out uh on cross that the court understood the testimony or the cross that the bike was really never sold no tital P well I I never said that it was sold I said that it wasn't paid for and the title wasn't transferred I never said that it wasn't sold so that's a misstatement of the he said it was never really your bike I believe and I'd like to play a clip well court is going to overrule the objection and uh just for the record this is the defendant's first interview if we get our sound working beginning at uh [Music] 15347 his motorcycle okay well it's fine because that Moto used to be mine and I sold it to him you want to back okay I'm so the defendant sold you that bike correct correct and then she claimed to the police later that she had objection leading and and misstates the record well first would this witness know what she claimed to the police so the court would understand understand the objection to be Foundation how would he know what she claimed to the pl may I have this Mark for identification judge well you can respond to the ob I have a a voicemail here from the Farmington Police Department that was left for Mr gmini which I just got last night I wasn't expecting to have to use it but I guess we're going to first wouldn't it be easier to just ask him about the voicemail I don't know who who voicemail I just I just gave Mr sh a copy so if he wants a break to listen to it that's fine but you wish to have a brief uh break Council he The Voice um um I'd like to at least listen to this voicemail I don't know what what it entails and whose voice it is ladies and gentlemen we will take a uh a five minute recess please not all right court is now back in session judge um where we had left off I was asking to premark a voicemail attorney Shor was given an opportunity to listen to that voicemail over the break and I want to just explain the nature of the offer here your honor this is a voicemail from a person that identifies himself as officer of aeral of the Farmington Police Department indicating that Mr gumin is in position possession of a dirt bike that belongs to Michelle tronis and that she wants it back and so the purpose of this offer judge is to put into context fully what happened here because I think that the cross-examination left the false impression that Mr gini was uh somehow in possession of this dirt bike illegally somehow that he was lying about having purchased it from Michelle and so you know and Mr shorn completely skipped over the fact that the defendant actually had called the police and basically strong armed him into giving the Bic into giving the dirt bike back so it's offered to basically uh rebut the suggestions that were left for the jury on cross-examination at this point there are still rules of EV this is a earay statement first of all by someone representing to be a police officer making hearsay statements it's not authenticated and even if it was the idea that hearsay can be put in to rebut an assumption the testimony if the court wants to go back and look at it is that my client was never paid she didn't say she didn't sell it she was not paid and if this the only way to rebut this prove it put on a receipt or proof that a payment was made but to suggest that a police officer voicemail that um to calling Mr uh apparently calling Mr gumani asking that he return the the the motorcycle you know doesn't come there's no exception for wanting to fill in the details there was cross-examination there were admissions made there's proper ways to do this he can ask the witness why he gave it back if there's no other reason but to suggest that hearsay can replace that is there's no there's no uh rule of evidence that would permit that here's the Court's View and it's Cloud here's the Court's view a sale involves and this takes all of us back to year one in law school offer acceptance and consideration if the claim is as Council states she that is Michelle tronus sold it that means there's been an offer acceptance and consideration but then to state that she was not paid then that would not be a sale there's no consideration so what the court hears is basically a hearsay within hearsay offer so the court has to determine whether each component of of that offer would be admissible so the first component is really the officer saying Michelle Tron has told us that she wants the bite back the statement is being offered against the party is the party's own statement that's an exception the second hearsay component is what the officer says the officer says Michelle TR bonus wants the bik back so if the claim is then well the officer's statement is here say under what exception does that fall or is it not here sa is it offered for the truth it's offered for what he was [Music] told so it's not offered for the truth so the court is going to allow it the court hasn't heard it there's more to it than what was just represented well the court thought it was just that statement that was being offered shelle Tona say she wants the bike back that's what the court thought the offer was that is and then he says that he would prefer that this be handled civil and can you give me a call I mean that's the well that's that's the witnesses statement No that's the that's what's on the voicemail so the whole statement is what the entire voicemail is approximately a minute long you're h i could play it for the court if you'd like yes so this is a voicemail not a recording of the conversation that's correct between the officer and Mr gumani yeah it's I'm the one making the offer it is a voicemail left by the Farmington Police Officer rerio for Mr gini from the police though not from mr's system this isger police uh I'm calling in regards to a motorcycle that you're in possession of um that belongs to Michelle tronus um basically she just on the back uh is trying to make arrangements so we can do this cly um uh if you can give me a call back I appreciate it 860 675 2400 860 675 2400 once again officer rero of Farmington Police Department thank you well again based on what the court just heard the court has not changed its analysis it's a hears safe statement within a hears safe statement both of those statements can land on an exception and the court will allow it may I just have it marked judge yeah this is 128 for ID I move it in well move it in front the jury you can bring the jury in for [Music] the council stipulate yes judge yes thank you Mr gini um before we uh took the recess you had indicated that the Farmington Police had contacted you is that correct correct and they contacted you because the defendant was claiming you had never bought the dirt bike correct objection first of all mischaracterization mischaracterization and leading well oh is that correct correct judge I formally move exhibit 128 in May I publish well the court has already indicated that it would be allowed yes sir 128 admitted as full police uh I'm calling in regards to a motorcycle that you're in possession of um that belongs to Michelle tronus um basically she just want the back uh trying to make arrangements so we can do this civilly um uh if you can give me a call back I appreciate it 860 675 2400 86675 2400 once again offeral farington Police Department thank you Mr gin did you receive that voicemail yes you were not asked about the Farmington Police Department on Cross examination were you no and you did in fact purchase this dirt bike correct objection leading well it the form of the question is leading but it's working no surprise on the defense because that is the subject of this whole inquiry overrule do you remember the question no neither do I um you oh you did in fact purchase the sturite correct correct but after the police Rec called what did you do I um I forward the voicemail to my attorney and at some point did you return the dirt bike yes and that's when you met up with Mr shanor correct correct you were asked on cross-examination about the defendant taking the keys out of your Tacoma do you recall those questions yes I want to um you were asked whether or not you thought perhaps the defendant had taken the key because it was left in I don't remember the exact question but basically because it was left out in the open or something to that effect yes I want to uh direct your attention now to that conversation that you had with Mr doulos and the defendant on Tuesday May 28th the topic of the the keys came up didn't it yes and can you just tell the jury how it came up and what Mr D said to you so Mr duros was asking me um how did I um come back from ukan and how we met at um 80 Mountain Spring Road and I told him that we drove back um to for Jefferson to leave one of the vehicles and we came back to basically so I could get my Tacoma back and then um and we had to the Mr douas had to call to cones to get the key because there was no key in my door and then D said that not to mention that to to keep Michelle out of it did you find that strange if she was just trying to be helpful I'm me object the characterization I'll withraw the question incidentally you were asked on cross-examination about researching flights to Poland you're from Poland correct correct and who were you researching flights for for my kids and my wife when were you hoping they would go to Poland me well when were you researching flights for them was it for summertime yes for summertime and had they gone to Poland the fort yes did you ever get on a flight to Poland in May of 2019 no you showed up at work on Tuesday the 28th correct correct you were asked on cross-examination whether or not you thought the defendant was joking when she said that Jennifer that should be buried next to the dog correct correct you wouldn't call that a joke would you I would not you were asked on cross-examination about your Tacoma malfunctioning when it would start do you recall those questions yes I do just to be very clear for the jury your Tacoma did not always malfunction when you had started correct correct in fact it would only happen about once a month judge this is all leading and it's not what the witness said well the form of the questions are leading how often would it happen V once [Music] mon you were asked on cross-examination about returning from 0 Mountain Spring Road with Mr dulos and running into stepen or excuse me Stefan Reich at for Jefferson Crossing do you recall that yes and he indicated to you that he was there for dinner I believe he testified to on Cross examination correct Were you invited for dinner I believe um somebody asked me if I want to stay and I refuse and when was the last time you saw Mr julos in person the last time I spoke with him in person was um Friday week after Jennifer subance that's May 31st correct I wanted to just um display a defense exhibit if I could I don't know what perhaps Mr shorn can refresh my memory what exhibit is this with the extraction is it Z if I may just approach the cler Y Yankee all right this is defense exhibit Y and I'm just going to ask Mr gini can you see that picture yes you were asked on Cross examination about this Photograph do you recall those questions uh no do you recall being asked about the oil can that you had brought with you yes okay and um can you just remind the jury why you brought the oil because the truck was leaking oil was that your only vehicle at the time besid beside your wife's vehicle was that your only personal vehicle at the time yes and did you need it back yes you were asked on Cross examination about um the Chinese restaurant do you recall that yes so I just want to be clear for the jury do you have a specific recollection as to what day you went to the Chinese restaurant no but you're indicating it could have been May 24th yes um you were asked on cross examination about whether or not you had been in the market for a new Tacoma do you recall those questions yes how long had you been looking to possibly sell your Tacoma V here and when did you tell Mr doulos that you were thinking about selling your Tacoma that time and if I recall your testimony correctly you'd been working at 61 stbd for approximately one year is that correct correct so you've been leaving your Tacoma at for Jefferson Crossing for approximately one year and using work vehicles to get to New Canan correct um prior to 61 stage I was working on on uh 175 um there was a project in Dian at when I was working on that project I I was driving company to okay but to be clear and then I'll ask another question you told Mr julus about a year prior to May 24th 2019 that you were thinking about selling your vehicle correct corre and then for that entire year that went by did he ever wash your car he did not and then for that entire year that went by did he ever detail your car he did not but the week after Jennifer dulos disappeared he washed it yes and he detailed it yes um just going back to the defendant taking your keys for a moment you did not know that she was going to take your keys correct I did not and what did the defendant tell you she was going to do strike that when you were about to leave 80 Mountain Road the defendant told you where she was going to go correct I remember she said something about rugs or carpets that she's going to meet with somebody or and the conversation in which she said this you had asked Mr Duos to give you ride back to any mountain to get your vehicle correct correct did the defendant ever call you and tell you she had your keys no she had your phone number though didn't she yes I can just have a moment you were asked on Cross examination about removing the w Raptor plate do you remember those questions yes I don't think you were asked the reason why you remove the Raptor plate would you tell the jury um Mr D's um bump into something with his Raptor and he asked me to straight it up the the bumper and did you do that yes and then did you put the plate back on yes I just have another moment judge yes I have nothing further judge Mr gumeni the um the um tooma keys were sticking out of the door of your vehicle as you're about to leave correct of the passenger side of my door yes you saw it though right can you you saw the key sticking out of the door right yes there was nothing that would have prevented you from just taking them with you was there I was looking on and I I figured I'll be back here in 5 10 minutes so I didn't bother taking it out my question is there was nothing that prevented you from taking them right then and there right right and you told the police that you thought that Michelle took the keys so they wouldn't be just dangling from a car when no one else was there right right I just want to ask you a couple of questions about the uh motorcycle you said that you paid Mr dulos's money for that for Michelle's motorcycle correct correct but you knew it was a title was in her name right right you don't have any receipt or document that proves that you paid anything for that motorcycle do you they might there might be some text messages between me for D and me and Michelle I just what do you mean there might be have you have you produced them no did the state give you copies of what they found on your phone no and there was no reference that they gave you that aha we have a copy of a receipt did they no no further questions sorry the defendant said she sold you the motorcycle right yes thanks nothing further we have any May step down thank you that concludes our presentation for today judge thank you ladies and gentlemen again thank you for your attention today we begin well Shall We Begin tomorrow at 10:00 yes your honor we begin tomorrow at 10:00 please do not discuss the case or follow meded reports about the case have a good evening

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Published: Wed Feb 07 2024