Michael Porter Jr NBA Champion Talks Injuries Jokic, Embiid, Dating & Light Skin Guys? | The Pivot

Wheezy really like my dog now Wheezy really like my friend Ric Flair Ryan like when we got Weezy Ric Flair Wheezy snoop's like really my friend I don't know if they're your friend they're not FaceTime on the first did you get that you got you got the uh the ice cream I saw that RC first time Dan couldn't even get Stephen A to answer hey you got all the ice cream you know what would have been dope if Dan would have facetimed you I to answer cuz no cuz he called people who didn't want to answer for him Honestly though Honestly though like truly it would be it takes a it would take a special relationship for me to answer like a blanket FaceTime like without letting me know I got I got to do that Friday huh Friday I'mma FaceTime people and tell crazy stories that's one of my social media trends that I got to do Friday so I had to be like I'm for sure I'm going hang up on you call no that ain't I'm call y'all too I'm calling I'm calling everybody I know that's famous text me before I so I can make sure I answer yeah yeah cuz I don't want you well I mean you can always just not show it if I don't answer no if you don't answer it even be funnier you don't that's what I told him I'm like if they don't answer it's funnier because my my whole country thing like I don't FaceTime I didn't FaceTime nobody yeah I don't I think FaceTime is the most worthless app in the world like why do I need to look at you to talk I just I think the the newer age people like younger people grew up with FaceTime and that's the only way they talk but why do I need to why do I need to look at you to talk to you drug deers I don't think you need to good this big yes sir watch how low that seat going to be for him though like this got to go way down there got falling fall that goddamn [ __ ] but why the do you have to FaceTime people like why do you need to look at somebody his generation grew up on FaceTime why do bro why do you need to look at somebody to talk to that's a good question cuz you FaceTime your your bro and your phone be right there like point at the ceiling but Ain it this FaceTime but it's CRA like we don't need to like if we're talking we're communicating why do you need to look like why do you need a video to see somebody cuz they grew up with FaceTime like we grew up actually having to call and I'd have to be like hey Mr Porter I speak to Michael please and they had to bring him the phone cuz it's at the house but for them like that's how they've communic at their whole lives I got some questions about curious mik I got some questions y y'all all live in Philly none of us live in Louisiana you live out there so then y'all just link up when y'all do the so we link up to do this they both live in Florida right we were in Philly because we do a we do inside the NFL in South Jersey okay so it's like 30 minutes from where where y'all played yeah I ain't even I ain't even I was locked in yeah I'm not going to be like hey m man can't wait to talk to you tomorrow go hit a three you know what I'm saying like I'm not to so I just sat there you know too man them seats on stay tight on the wood yeah to my feet Michael Michael Irving said if your feet ain't in the wood it ain't no good that's what Michael Irv said but playmaker different hold up li take it I here witness it my feeling feel me up one the mission got me up knowing me I got the key only Vision I can trust trust liit it I here to witness it my feeling milit feeling me up welcome brother to the pivot man appreciate y yeah man you know it's hard for us to get people over six foot on our show so uh we're excited about it this is Chan that's Freddy T I'm RC man um you know NBA champion I think that has to go without saying so I just want to let you know just on our show like if you want to talk about championships just direct all conversations this way right so we got you know just with people I just want you to B talk to people you that can relate to winning a professional Championship fellow champ like we have hold on why you going to toss that in there I had a disclaimer that's I say profal don't count College don't count I won the championship that don't count that one pop one the championship talking about professional champ you know what I mean dog but they have parades and stuff R God damn life skin we going stick together it's my fault you know uh but I mean it takes a lot too I'm just joking but it takes a lot to win a championship uh individually and as a team and you have been through a ton uh physically especially I want you to take me back to I think it was December 2021 your third back surgery right your your mother is is is praying over you what are your thoughts at that time knowing you'd been through this twice already you thought you sort of made it through since before your you know your rookie year and now you were back in that same place man yeah I did y's research yeah I didn't even know the date of that third surgery that whole time um it's kind of like a blur just because you know you're going through the pain and then you're going through the surgeries but I mean that last one was probably the toughest because the first one was my first injury ever so I'm like man I'm gon bounce back I'm G be cool you know second one was tough but then the third one like uh I think I had just signed my deal um my my my long-term deal with the Nuggets right and I never been the type of Dude to just want to like sign a big deal and just get the money like I wanted to go prove like no I'm I'm worth this like I'm I'm glad the team invested this in me so I had just signed a deal right came off a really good uh a really good season and um signed that deal and I'm hoping to like blow up this this next year and that I was going to need that third surgery and it was uh it was definitely heartbreaking um because man three surgeries that's that's tough and the same area in your body like people don't really come back from that and I had Faith you know that I could could work through but at that point I was I wasn't really sure like the two previous ones I was like man okay I could work through this I could still be a good player that third one and just after signing that deal it was just like God works in mysterious ways you know that first surgery I could kind of see the benefit because I got to fall to the 14th pick when I may have been a a higher pick and I got to end up falling to the Nuggets which was a perfect fit for me you know like you said we end up winning the championship first player out of my class to do so so I could kind of see the point in that but man after that third one I was like like you know like God like why like why does this keep happening to me I'm putting in the work I'm I'm doing my I'm keeping up with my core routine everything like why does this keep happening to me am I supposed to give basketball up you know I think talking talking now like about my about my journey inspiring people man I get so many just DMS and messages now about how much I inspire people and that really I think is a is what I look back and I'm I kind of see the blessing in it all now I think people who cuz I he had he's had 18 knee surgeries Freddy T's have surgeries yeah 17 knee surgery 25 surgeries overall yeah yeah I've had you know yeah I've had surgeries as well you know there's the injury right and then there's the surgery to repair it but to me the hardest part is always the rehab mhm were there any times during that third rehab where it just got incredibly difficult to not only handle the physical toll but the emotional and mental toll of trying to get back to where you used to be yeah I think especially just it it seemed like deja vued me like man I've been through this journey I got to go through it again and it's like such a long journey man the back is tricky because you know you got nerves involved and things like that so certain muscles weren't working right I had lost some of my explosiveness I'm I'm waiting for that to come back so I really didn't know how I was going to go and it took a lot of faith and it really just took a lot of hard work and um just willingness to to even put the work in you know I think a lot of guys when they go through that they just kind of become content with being average being an average player you know um people will understand that guy had three back surgeries but for me was like no I got to I'm never going to give up man I could have five six surgeries you know and and this is what I love to do this is what how I get my happiness this is the talent God gave me so I'm I'mma keep it rolling until until I got to hang it up so that was kind of my mindset but to your point I think early on after surgeries you got to get over that feeling bad for yourself at first I felt bad for myself like man like why me you know I'm walking around everybody else's healthy they're not working as hard as me they're not going back to the weight room and doing their their core routine and things like that so why me once you get past that I think it's just like okay stop feeling sorry for yourself no matter how you feel you got to go get your work in yep and and bro how how many times cuz I I um heard the Clippers the Clippers had to pick that year and yeah the doctor of the Clippers is the one that did your evaluation and sent the memo out I I watched some some pods that you do which curious Michael we'll talk about today but like bro I had the same exact thing I told my ACL four times in high School mhm so I had a time where a doctor told me and my mom were sitting there and told me you'll never play football again this High School yeah and I played in the lead and I I told my mom like I don't want to go to him no more he don't believe in what I was going to like he doesn't believe in my vision he up believeing what I want to do like how many doctors at through your surgeries kind of discourage you from your goal and what's the feeling that these medical professionals are telling you you might not play basketball I think what they don't understand is you know the mental strength of somebody like you or somebody like me they don't take that into account man going going through high school you know when my when my first kind of back started aching I'm getting x-rays MRIs and then through college I had so many doctors say like n you you you're not going to be able to play again unless in high school before my first surgery it was if you don't do something about this issue that we found in your back like you not going to be able to play in the NBA once I got my surgeries like to your point around draft time you know the Clippers doctor you know he's he's telling teams to kind of stay away from me because I might I might not be able to play again and this is you know professional doctor so that was happening all throughout this whole journey I think now sitting here and understanding the um also the emotional Wellness part of it when doctors say those things to to people it not only puts you know fear and doubt in your mind but that can actually affect your body like all that fear all that trauma of doctor saying you're not going to be able to do something that can further exacerbate the problem I didn't know this until I started talking to you know some of these Wellness doctors that that talk about the emotional piece and you know that repress emotions but when you got doctors telling you that type of stuff it can be it can be tough to work through but I just think they didn't take into account how much I love the game and how much work I'm willing to put in to keep playing you know what I mean so you're hearing from everybody all the professionals you know you you you're talking to yourself within you know that Voice Within I can do this can I still do this all those different things that's very frustrating I I read where it says your mother prayed for you should pray it over you another one of your trainers what have you we all have faith right faith in God faith in ourselves but nothing's like a mom's Faith like what what did she say to you or what message did she share with you that sort of triggered you to say you know what I ain't quitting like my mom Believes In Me I got to make sure I do right by her yeah think for me man just especially in that third surgery I did I didn't even need anybody to try to encourage me that I was going to make it through this I just wanted people to try to understand how much pain I was in physically but also emotionally how how down I felt cuz I've always been a dude you know as an athlete growing up you you you receive love from the Applause of people at times you know sometimes you can get your worth from that so growing up that's how it was at that time I think I just needed my mom to tell me like I don't know why you're going through this but even if it doesn't work out even if you're not able to play the game anymore like I'll still love you the same it don't change nothing about how I feel for you don't got to you don't have to U go earn your love out on the court from us we love you the same so I think having people in your life to where no matter what you're going through they they they got your back and they love you no matter what I think that at that time that's what I needed but you know her praying over me and just encouraging me that was everything I mean my family was there the whole time and that that really was everything for sure who's the best Hooper in the house who the best Hooper you said your mom went for 45 a game we Switching gears and she could relate to what I was going through because she actually had a similar surgery but M my mom was cold like she she was like I want to say like 50 points in high school but they played I average 6'4 so back then for a female that's that's about 6 s 68 back then right wow they played six on six back then so it was like I think like three three players stayed on offense three played in defense played on defense Iowa was the last state to get rid of that that's where she's from and then she went to Iowa still holds scor records up there um she was playing professionally overseas when she started you know having kids I think after she had you know her third kid she decided to hang it up but n she definitely was yeah she was like that for sure they call him fragile Freddy I know you hate that do look at he hates that Freddy why I don't he got hurt a lot okay but I don't so it was like it was a thing where he's very talented like yourself that's why I thought about it just watching yall talk where he was saying like if he's on the court he's on the you're on the court he's on the field he going to ball out what does that do to you where like where teams question you because it's like hey [ __ ] we watch you like if you if you baller you can ball you know what I'm saying but we have to always question if you're going to be available to play so to Fred and yourself like what does that do to you mentally where the sport thinks you're you're good but you're not always available yeah I think that could weigh on you I mean for me somebody asked me like what is my goals for this season and anything like that what I'm most proud about so far the season is I haven't missed a game I'm the only player on our team that hasn't missed a single game so coming from three back surgeries to me that means more than a than an All-Star game or this or that to to be available and not miss a game considering what I've been through I think that's the that's a Testament to like not only the work I put in to take care of my body and be available for the games but um also just how far I come like availability is is the best skill you can have so when you hear that that could be that could be tough when you know people be calling me all type of names um about not being available or getting hurt um I'm just trying to beat those kind of allegations just by by staying healthy you know what I mean staying on the floor one of them names is no swing no swing yeah they say don't swing to Rock godamn black hole [ __ ] you about to shoot he said it's a black hole it's crazy cuz last night there actually was a play um I think they they posted it it was like a a full-court pass it was loose B I got it I went to the corner and Tobias Harris was kind of playing the cat and mouse game like is he gonna come out and contest or is he gonna stay back by the rim and I seen Joker and Aaron kind of running back but I'm already mid shot I could have like dumped it right down to him I'm like bro I'm in to Corner wide open I'm letting this fly I missed it those but no bro to your point I mean now when I catch the rock like I just feel like it's a good shot because I'm 610 I I jump on my jumper so it feels like a good shot to me some I mean people gonna have something to say but that's my job on the team you know what I mean I don't got the rock I'm not the point guard to facilitate I'm when I catch it it's probably going up I a't going to lie I uh you know you mentioned the blessing in falling to 14 you know because you are surrounded by you know Allstars and future Hall of Famers in in Denver but you were also a projected number one overall pick in high school uh number one player in the country I have two questions about that night the first question is a wardrobe question right like I like suits do you ever look back at those pictures and think about that vest in that tie and say to yourself maybe I shouldn't have worn it talk about draft KN no I was smooth no no you would not I wasn't smooth that night y'all got to talk to my stylist then cuz I think I got I thought I was the little B the little baby blue suit but the big [ __ ] cter pants who no he no that wasn't me no was he had had the best joint he had the best but he had the it was it was it wasn't sweet it wasn't I think you might got the wrong person I know listen look up what my my real my real question is though you know we all like our goals are normally set by our expectations and if our expectations are based in reality then a lot of times those things we feel like we've earned or we deserve um you know we've mentioned what the back surgeries and those sort of EV valves did to your draft stock what was it sitting there that night and you know we've seen now that you know there were Big Time Players in that draft obviously you know Allstars as well but Falling to 14 when you had such you know I guess High Hopes And expectations two years earlier yeah man like in high school I just remember like getting ranked for the first time he looking up my suit right now hey talk to the championship side dog talk to the championship side I remember getting ranked for the first time though like I think it was sophomore freshman of sophomore year I was 25th in the country kept working kept working got better better eventually I'm the number one player in the country and I felt like I was much better than everyone in my class and so I kind of always envisioned you know going to college killing it for one year being the number one draft pick I had people telling me in high school like if you could still go from high school to the league you might you might be able to go number one in the class above you you know the class with uh some of those players you know above me Lonzo Marquel Jason they were telling me like I could have gone in that class so I had high expectations for myself um and then you know the injury kind of happened and so I had my first injury in college um but by the time the draft came around I I I knew I needed a second surgery but I hadn't got it yet because I was trying to tough it out you know I don't want teams to know I needed a second surgery so sitting there watching the draft happen I'm in I'm in a lot of pain um but man seeing the names go by dudes I know I'm better than dudes I've been killing at all these different camps all these different events all of high school and I'm seeing each of them go above me like that's hurting me to my core cuz I did not Envision draft KN to be like this I Envision going number one one great night celebrating my family and I'm just slipping slipping slipping um and I understood it cuz I didn't even know if I was right I didn't even know at the time if I be able to hoop again um because I was in so much pain but got drafted by the nuggets and like I said like God works in weird ways because looking back I could see the blessing but right then I was just hot like even after I got drafted you know you put on a smile for the cameras but deep down I'm I'm hot like the Denver Nuggets was the last team I ever would have thought I would have gone to you know what I mean I probably hadn't watched a Aver game since like AI you know so uh it was a tough night but looking back I guess you could see some of the some of the good that came out of look at dude let me see bro that was sweet that's fresh to me bro with the low with the low V that was smooth back then though back then you just look bro I I can pull them up now [ __ ] I got years was [Laughter] smooth what with with the dark blue low cut man I don't know I got to get a better look right right I just you know when I saw it I was like oh but you're right we had That's revisionist History at that time it probably was smooth you know and being one like he was ninth pick overall in the draft uh you know number one running back in the country back but like when they used to rank him in like chickens when he came out like in the 60s when it was him you know Walter pton some of those guys who were his peers that joke's old he but for you though like that wasn't kind of like your first time having to make a switch you know your pops was working at Washington you committed to Washington you getting shots up and the staff comes down in tears because they've been fired as a as a teenager kind of sort of having your plan I'm sure your plan was I'm going go play for uh coach Lorenzo Roar at udub I'm play one year I'm one and done I'm the first overall pick yeah that was the goal and I just seen Marquel folz do it too the year before right so you just sitting there getting up shots and now that coaching staff comes down and says that they're fired what was that moment like for you yeah um I remember that vividly because I was super excited you know my brother who's a year younger than me he classed up to play with me at at the University of Washington um Lorenzo my godfather um coach RAR so we had a Ron I think we had the number one recruiting class um but coach Romar wasn't able to win with you know Marquel and some of the matis styel couple other guys the year before so um yeah they came down I'm just getting shots up and it's my dad's first year coaching there so we had just moved from Missouri where I grew up to Seattle you know my dad's coaching under Lorenzo we thinking we're going to go there and they come down and yeah they say uh the whole staff was fired yeah it was wild like um yeah they just we see saw the vision like we knew we were going to be nice the the following year Marquel was talking about maybe staying he probably wouldn't have but uh still would have had matis sty would have had me my brother um jayen Noel who who's an NBA player so we were we were going to be really good um yeah they came down there and said that so what ended up happening was my dad end up getting the job in Missouri and I end up just going to play over there with with him but yeah Washington would have been live like your sisters were were already there though at Miss right at Missouri so so what y'all kind of had to be like the first family of Missouri by that point yeah we you know mean we had both of my sisters were were at school already and then you know once we had to decommit from Washington we decided to go to Missouri and go back home and that was that was dope and it of itself but yeah it was four of us in college hooping at one time I don't know I don't know if that's happened before four siblings playing at one time thinking about that though bro like you're talking about washingt would have been sweet wherever you were was going to be sweet yeah they sold out SE like as soon as I committed like sold out tickets season tickets like that like it was crazy that that's what it is like you're the the even nowadays when kids go and they jump around schools like players make the team so your sisters and yourself they made you made Missouri like you would have made Washington you would have made wherever the hell you were you're 6'10 and can hit threes bro right right but even with that you spoke about expectations but what's the mindset like of being a number one ranked overall Prospect coming out of high school like what pressures are associated with that bro like before my entries basketball came so easy to me that it wasn't even no pressure I just knew I was the coldest by far like I can I still shoot and I still can do some things on the court and I'm getting better and kind of getting back to myself a little bit but back then I I had a strap I was getting downhill jumping from wherever and dunking it so I was just having fun with the game it was free and it was like joyful um and it was easy for me so like nowadays it be it's kind of hard sometimes I reminisce on those days sometimes think like man I'm my best days behind me I know that's not true but going from the number one player in the country where everything just came so easy to me to having to work through these rehabs just to get back on track and and and try to be a good player in this league um it's hard because it just came so easy to me back then when when did you uh max out at your height at 610 I think my junior year high school um playing in Missouri I I I uh yeah I was like 69 and a half I think I grew like another half inch your freshman year where did you enter high school at I think I ended high school around 65 oh still big been still big is people 6'4 P right my mom's 6'4 that's probably where I get it from my mom yeah both my sister uh my sisters 63 62 yeah see like I don't know nothing about that yeah no it's crazy I'm scrap if I'm fight for 5'11 bitty baby but a lot of times those guys they they they get that big too fast and their feet don't follow a lot of guys can be clumsy and big but he's extremely athletic or like yeah I had a I had a uh a teammate in the fifth grade he was a grown man like I I'm I was born in Indiana I moved to Missouri in like sixth grade but in fifth grade this dude was a grown man number one play in the country he was a center on our team he he played center but he didn't grow so then he went to power forward then he went to small he's a point guard now cuz he never grew like he was you know them dudes muscle dudes in like fifth grade so I was kind of glad I was a late bloomer I kept growing all the way through High School you um you mentioned going from Indie to Missouri you were homeschooled I always find homeschooling fascinating because I always think about the things I learned both good and bad that you got to navigate being in school and having to be around those people uh was there any adjustment entering high school or did you always kind have basketball and use that as an ability to socialize yeah you know people always talk about homeschoolers being a little weird or whatever I think you know the social aspect is a part of that for me like we got that through basketball all our friends you know we hooped on different teams travel teams so we got to socialize another thing my parents did was I think probably when I was in sixth or seventh grade they my dad's from Mississippi so you know they call them snowballs down there but snow cones you know they they bought a snow cone stand and had us working it you know and meeting people and serving people we were young so we would make a little bit of money and we was serving people snow cones so we got socialized that way but I finally went to school in eth grade public school and the first thing I noticed was I was way smarter than everyone like at H School you only had to do school for two hours a day because you just if you understood the topic or whatever you could just knock it out um so we were doing school two hours a day we get in the gym the rest of the day when I went to public school I was sitting in there eight hours but I already was way ahead of all the other kids but man they were doing stuff and talking about stuff and and into stuff 8th grade that I that I really wasn't even like aware that my kids my age was really on at that point so that was an adjustment in terms of that um but overall I think it was a blessing um being homeschooled I know I'm G homeschool my kids one day I think you know they teaching kids wild stuff in school these days I'm definitely going to homeschool my kids did it hurt your game like what cuz you don't talk no women yeah like you you can't you you learn game if never had no issue in that department but the awkwardness now it got to be awkward you s at home your parents are teaching you then you go back into the world we still I still have some little shorties running around my neighborhood that I talk to you so you still shooting cuz we light skin exactly speaking of that though you um in high school you talked about being lightskinned you're biracial yeah and so it's Chan um as well you mix black white yeah my mom white daddy black okay and you mentioned about and I don't think people understand colorism as much like you know we talk a lot about racism but within our own communities like people don't really have to voice colorism because it's in our own Community but you mentioned about being light-skinned and having to fight the soft label because of that yeah you know how real of a thing was that y'all y'all y'all being jealous of us they be jealous you know what I'm saying come here brother hey you know you got in trouble you know you got your ass in trouble who was that M be Hey listen let me slide back because y'all jealous I'mma say this y'all jealous Wesley Snipes is not here anymore they was riding on Wesley tyes for years one they jealous man they love W you had to run through you had to run through eight light-skinned people to try to find one that actually had attractive physical traits today when you were talking about lightskinned people in the car I talking about like lightskinned dudes or light he was talking about lightskinned dudes cuz he was trying to say that you and him are some goodl looking lightskinned dudes you're a very good light-skinned dude who represents us is it Drake who represents us is it Obama it can't be Drake No More he he got the like the little Clips in his hair paint his I don't he he done got he done got a little weird with the money is it Obama Obama can still represent us bro I don't think he represent D what about Steph Curry he's definitely a good representation Steph got us he he he he there's a few that carry us Patrick Mahomes n he don't carry us cuz his brother his brother weird there some weird [ __ ] going on there a it like he's also not that handsome like Patrick Mahomes a handsome he got theoh y y y'all didn't went to this y'all didn't got on this just because it's lightskinn it works thing like y'all got to stop but Tannon knows better that's the [ __ ] that happened in the Jonathan Owens episode what's the top five lightskins [ __ ] I'm there I'm I'm up there too I ain't going to lie I think Steph see but that's the light hey Su why did you pull out hey you dark [ __ ] we talking right now this a crazy topic yo okay go ahead CH so who's the top who's the top five who who got who got us lightskinned just carrying the lightskinn who carrying us uh I think the the the dudes is carrying the last coach I mean you still got to put Drake in there I think in the league is Steph Jason dbook me dbook but he got the high top though I he got the he got the high top uh are y'all serious right now hey it's a see they they just they not even they don't last but what was your question you last week we posted Dez Bryant crying reading something that he has to use daily to raise his children and y'all two are ranking top five lightskins hey he start the taking over the world but I I was asking how do you fight the because there is a there is a stereotype of that and it's not it's not everybody it's us you know what I mean like you made the joke about us being jealous me darker people but there is that stereotype within whether it's quote unquote which is obviously not true the good hair the light skin those sorts of things I don't know I think uh it comes from the fact that we know we're handsome so people catch us looking in the mirror a little bit longer they might catch us taking a little bit more pictures so he kind of he kind of a little soft but it's just really that we look good you know what I mean that's really what it is for Real Mike do you do you like hold your mouth halfway open for your pictures and stuff no you don't do that not a smile oh okay we we ain't got to do all that no we ain't got to do all that when you when you think about like but honestly in that it leads me to this um you are Christian yeah right um and you're a devout Christian you're a Christian that lives out loud which is what the Bible tells us to do right the Bible tells us to go forth and make disciples you can't do that unless you are honest about your faith and you've used that in all sorts of ways in understanding that God came for all people God ate with the tax collectors and the Sinners you in 2020 during the George Floyd you know you caught Flack for saying that we should also pray for the police officers involved mhm when you are living out loud with your faith and working to bring people together in the way that you are how difficult is it to deal with a situation like that because many people in society don't understand that perspective the perspective of it's not about what you do it's about who you are in God's eyes was that tough for you during that time yeah it's a it's a balance because you don't ever want to come off you know when you're a Christian you still want to come I've always tried to be authentic but at the same time if you really are living an authentic Christian Life like you're going to hurt some people's feelings or it's it's going to be super countercultural some ways like Jesus came here he didn't come here to be liked he didn't come here for none of that like he came here to speak the truth so for me in that situation as sensitive of a topic as it was um you know I voed my opinion and that and that whole those those tweets got taken super out of context cuz I the first two tweets was like man this is this is straight up like murder like this bring tears to my eyes then I then I had to think about it because I was so mad like you know sometimes you be so mad you don't want nothing to do with white people sometimes like like you go to barber shop and man a lot of these D they don't even like want white people around like they have a lot of hatred towards towards white people so I was when I seen the police officer doing that to to George Floyd those were my first thoughts was like those thoughts then I was like man so my third tweet was pray for the police officers that God would change their heart because people just hate hating white that's not g to change nothing the same cycle is going to keep happening so that was that was my point it wasn't like oh they get off easy pray for these cops that God forgives them no it wasn't none of that it was like pray that God Only God can change the hate in that in that white person's heart to do that to a black person like he would have never did that to another white person you know what I mean so that was more the message I was trying to get across but at the end of the day like when you're trying to speak God's truth or whatever no matter what you say man like it could be surrounding any topic that's going on these days that they're trying to push it's going to sound countercultural so you got to get over the trying to keep a perfect image or not being cancelled I got over that a while ago you know what I mean you can't be an outspoken person for your faith or your beliefs if you're worried about U making everybody happy it's not um you have strong ties to women Hoops we mentioned it earlier yeah um you just recently resigned or signed a new deal with Puma right I saw you rocking the Stewie twos Brianna Stewart her kicks um have you been outspoken about the uh pay the wages in the WNBA and for those ladies yeah they did an interview with me um I mean I see from both sides I know these females want to get paid more um and they're very talented but so is so is a famous pingpong player they're just as talented as as a like the best pingpong players just as talented as the best basketball player that doesn't mean they're going to get paid the same because it's because they play ping pong it's what the people want to watch you know what I mean so as much as I understand females wanting the same treatment as as men basketball players it's it's it's a different sport people they're not packing out the Arenas obviously their TV deals aren't the same so as much as I advocate for women and kind of the equality of the respect of their craft and all those things I mean you can't pay him the same thing you know but I do feel like they should there there should be a little way to make a little bit more money for them because they are very talented correct yeah I think the I think the big thing um obviously when you're thinking about negotiations labor unions and different things like that I don't believe there's any woman that believes she should be paid as a man gets paid it's more about the revenue share it's more about the percentage and I think those things play into it and then the other side of it is treatment you know within their own organizations like they're never like they don't it's not as exciting no it's it's not as ex it's not as exciting basketball yeah you're not they got lower the rims I would watch a girl coming down the lane on another I would watch that they need to lower they're actually as a as a whole women women work the fundamental more than most men do because y'all can do that yeah like and that's why they play good basketball right and that's why like the guys who are extremely skilled Excel because it's like okay you have all of this Talent as well but you can finish at The Rim in different ways you can handle the Rock in different ways you have floor Vision but women like that's the way they get on the court and so I think those things are different but I agree with you they're not going to be paid the same but it's it was more about the treatment percentage and and having an opportunity for Revenue I I was actually going to say about the um the the 65 game rule that's what I was going to get to mhm I want say you or how do the players think about that with you can't be an what is it all NBA if you don't play 65 games you got to play 65 games and Alam Sila came into it and I know your injury history and that's what I wanted to get to with that how how does how how does NBA players feel about that the low management thing where you're not a low management guy but you have had injuries and just that whole thing where now the NBA is saying that you can't win this many awards or you can't be blessed with this much stuff if you don't play 65 games or more honestly I'm not too opposed to it I think it's it's C because it was getting to a point where dudes was just resting so I'm not mad about it I think dude like at the end of the day it's our job so we play we get paid very well to be available you know if you have an injury that's one thing okay okay so sit out those couple months and then um and then you I don't think you should be recognized for those Awards because you didn't play the whole season like some other guys did like I said availability is one of the biggest skills you can have so that should be recognized more in some of these Awards so I never really even understood the whole rule because my goal is just to play every game so um I know for some guys they weren't feeling it but I didn't really get too too much into it to be honest you know and talking about playing every game seasons can get long your season last year was as long as it could possibly be maybe if there Miami Heat could have push it two more you was you was you won the heat the win did you he I'm in Miami bro did you hear what he said about the Miami Heat I listen bro yeah he was like once we got we knew we was going to win the series because we didn't know how they beat Boston you didn't hear what he said bro I watched what is it with with Trey what's it called on uh on the on the point he was like yeah once we got to the heat we knew we was going to ride I'm like damn like I was I I bro I set that game five I paid $7,000 a ticket for me and my wife to be on row five game five in Denver who's that no no game uh four okay and my and I just sat and watch y'all run up and down and that big old white boy just throw that little ugly ass that little ug that's kind of why we knew because in in the NBA in general but especially in the playoffs it's about matchups and we just felt like we uh we matched up really good with Miami the last few years they had had a hard time with us because they play bam at the center but he's kind of an undersized Center and you gotta uh you got to be pretty like heavy and pretty like just big in general to do anything with Joker and the post so we knew they were gonna have to bring a double and then you know that's when everybody starts AG gets the lobs I'm getting the backside threes um we didn't we didn't think uh they matched up with us very well but can can I get your number so if you're going to just hit back side threes and AG get the lobs I won't spend $7,000 a ticket next year it was still good games though it was competitive you mentioned uh you mentioned Nola like just one of the most skilled players we've ever seen at that position yeah with all the things that he could do you know if he didn't care so much about just going by horses and stuff he probably just averaged a triple double like he's a great team player extremely skilled uh we got a chance to see you guys play against Jole and beid um this week as well when you look at those two players and to me being the best two in the league how do you think they compare you know I'm sure you feel your guy is the best one but what Joel can do with that size too is amazing yeah n i mean it's it's definitely um the best two centers of Our Generation going head to-head but really top four or five centers ever honestly I think the only thing that separates him right now is Nicole's won a championship they have completely different styles of of of playing though you know Joker's very U pass first more of a facilitator Joel will go out there and give you 40 every single night and he's just I don't realize how good of a you know mid-range shooter he is at that size 72 or 73 like get in the mid-range Hees he pulls and his jumpers like so like soft you know soft touch so offensively he's just a dominant Force um but you know I'm Mari with NOA you know you know we want championship last year he can he can have some nights where he gives you 50 another night where it gives you 20 assists another night 20 rebounds so he can do everything um Joel definitely takes that match up personally though for sure you said Joker can do everything yeah is there anything that he does that just surpris you see for me just watching the game as a um you know just sitting at home watching it I'm like how does this guy how's he so good he looks so he looks lazy yeah he look he W around yeah like how does anything ever surprise you with him um I mean it does but when you see like uh when you see it so much I guess you kind of get used to it I don't know if it's a like a overseas type of thing they um they play a little bit different like Luca is Luca sometimes looks like that like he's just kind of going slow then boom hits you with a step back cash like they're just nice over there I think they just uh the development over there is a little different you know over here we got all these mixtapes and cameras so guys is trying to do all the dunks and get real athletic and fancy over there sometimes they rely more on touch straight fundamentals fundamentals passing playing the the game in different way so when they come over here it just looks so different well fellas it's that time man it's time for the big game oh sb58 our partners at DraftKings want to give you an even bigger opportunity any new customer using the promo code defense you place a $5 bet on anything yeah that's right anything you instantly get $200 in bonus bets hit him with the same game parlay on the biggest game the over the under the side whatever you want to do and even bigger payouts baby I like the coin toss can I say the coin toss I'm GNA pick what the coin toss do no all you got to do is download the DraftKings Sportsbook app get into the game and the big game still has big big big fantasy go make it happen hey he said get to the game neither of them ever got there but I did twice so if you use the promo code defense place a $5 bet on anything that's instantly $200 in bonus bets meet me where only I've been you going to do that right now that wasn't in the that wasn't in what we supposed to talk about oh you mentioned you know nicoa he was the MVP uh he was the finals MVP as well but you work your way all the way back you are a Max contract player and you get in the finals and your shot isn't falling mhm I can't shoot no way but for somebody who like you said though like there's a lot about basketball that came naturally yeah and even through your rehabs and your surgeries the jumper was always nice yeah and you're on the biggest stage and you know you're in the champ you played in the professional Championship I played in the Super Bowl so we can talk about things like that some people have never gotten there so they don't really yeah y'all would y'all wouldn't understand those pressure understand the pressure of of those type of situations I'm leaving yellow but when but honestly though when you're when you're in the biggest series of your life something you've worked back from three surgeries to get to yeah and the thing you do well isn't working what's that feeling for you all you want to do is win so if my je wasn't F I was still trying to get 10 rebounds I was still trying to play defense um nobody nobody cares about the percentage at that point right like of course you you like I wish my uh jumper was just cash all series I've been hitting throughout the whole playoffs um in the finals my my jumper struggled a little bit but I was trying to do other things to help our team win because at that point all you want is a ring right so you don't care about stats you don't care about percentage um so I wasn't really tripping too much especially cuz if I felt like I was the reason that we were like maybe losing some games or we end up losing the finals and I was like man I could have produced more offensively I was you know struggling on series it would have been one thing but I was still impacting the game we end up winning so I wasn't I wasn't tripping too far why y'all stunt so hard at the parade man like after the game bro coach lose y' going hard at LeBron they said it was like 2 million people downtown it was it was crazy down there but I don't know man and that's not that that ain't never been like us as a team in Denver we've always been under the radar dudes not really too outspoken dudes don't really be on social media too much I think dudes was just loose uh and then yeah it was crazy I don't know it was it was crazy we definitely was teed up at the parade man that whole that whole celebration I don't know what y'all did we uh the celebration was weird though because after you win you got the celebration in the locker room right we was in there for hours then we go to Aaron Gordon's he bought like a warehouse that he turned into like a lounge SL Club so we was there but then the next two days we didn't have anything so we're just at the crib like like can't believe we won a championship but we don't have anything as a team because the parade was like a couple days later so we're just it was weird timing then after the parade we went to Vegas Turned Up in Vegas for one night everybody missed the flight back home it was just a whole it was a whole week of just is it was hectic but it was fun though it's a B I want to talk more about this partying too but they going they going to cut me off because I a know what y'all did in Vegas and why yall was sit around like yeah Denver right I can give you space in Denver you know I can give you some spots but you some spots out there yes the spots out there yeah there's a few for sure I won't say I a't know if you want to say the name but no bro I want to ask you something that Ryan said about like uh your size bro you big as [ __ ] yeah pause big one pause yeah hey I'm talking about this man swi this [ __ ] you SI what are you 161 but what's yeah 161 you don't never get down low you don't never fight you mean like like like in the paint y'all [ __ ] y'all [ __ ] is nasty what are y'all talking about I was speaking of B basketball you mean like I don't post up like that but you don't yeah you so big like you got to I'll go get I'll go get 10 rebounds in a game and you can get the rebounds but like do you offensively you mean like post up like just almost seven feet you don't never go like to go and wrestle with embiid down there you you don't want to go down there and wrestle well honestly like so like I said I've kind of had to modify kind of how I play through the surgeries um like and then we have specific roles in the NBA you got you know the point guard the shooting guard is a three I'm always on the uh in the corners usually so I'm the one catching shooting AG is kind of in the dunker spot and then Joker's you know in the post whatever so for spacing purposes like you never really catch me posting up I'm more out there for spacing because I know my guy is not really going to leave me he don't want me to get shots off so that opens the court up for everybody else um but like in transition there are some times where well I catch a post ISO but for the most part I'm spaced out ready to catch and shoot ready to catch and drive Aaron's kind of in the dunker so that when his guy rotates um to Joker he's getting lobed so it's just it's just a spacing of our team and how we we found it to to work best but you know and pickup games in the summer when you can work on your game and that that all changes like in a pickup game I'm I'm posting dudes up getting to the the rim all that but like but even like you said like God works in mysterious ways like for you to go to Denver and to be in the place you are where you might be on another team where they would make go down there yeah like is that are you in the perfect position to thrive I I think I could go somewhere else and definitely do a little bit uh I could modify my game I modify my game greatly to be in Denver um because that's what fits for our team Aaron Gordon when he was in Orlando man he had the ball in his hands a lot and step back jumpers midies on my podcast he talks about like everything he did was just a a tough move tough bucket with us he's just catching lobs doing a lot of the Dirty Work facilitating so it's really about finding dudes that are willing to sacrifice some of what they know they can do to like fit the team and that's kind of what we got like a lot of dudes who are nice you know what I mean so we kind of got to modify how we play a little bit speaking of being nice you know keep going back to where athletically especially young you felt like you could have ended up in the draft right but you get to the league you are on this great team this team with other players you play your role is there ever any thought giving because it's not like I get it man like Athletics like everybody looks at our bank accounts right and if you ever had a complaint they would say well you make you're gonna get over $200 million but they don't understand that's not what it's about right it's about doing our best to reach our full potential right is there ever any part of you that thinks to yourself man if I was in this place or if I played here I'd had the I've had the basketball in my hand more I have an opportunity for more shots have an opportunity to maybe be exactly what I thought I'd be before being drafted because you mentioned the sacrifice it does take to be on a nuggets when you win a championship that's another thing that negates all that I could go to another team and probably average 25 maybe um on this team I'm averaging with like 17 but we won a championship and in today's NBA you got to have a team of about three or four Dudes who could be all stars to to win a championship if you look at the they got three dudes who who could be Allstars KD book um Bradley beill the Bucks they got Yannis Dame Chris Middleton you know you got uh the same thing with uh um the 76ers with Tobias Harris he got to sacrifice some on that team Joelle Tyrese Maxi so in today's NBA you gotta have like a lot of dudes who are nice so to your point I mean sometimes I think maybe later in my career after I've you know won some maybe there will be an opportunity for me to go Blossom and do more things but I'm content right now we won a championship um I'm not tripping at all you have used your voice for various things you have your own choke right where you get an opportunity to speak your narrative speak from your perspective not necessarily have people paint things for you what was sort of the Catalyst of you starting curious Mike yeah we talked earlier about um you know the George Floyd situation and how some tweets got misinterpreted um there's been a couple other situations you know when Co hit and I'm in the bubble I think I had like either put out on like Instagram or SnapChat my thoughts about Co you know I've always been a dude like I said I never cared about being cancelled or what the public thinks so I put out my real thoughts about Co I was like yo I I know CO's real I had it but it's definitely being used for some other things you know what I mean and so I never got the vaccine you you know I was kind of outspoken about that um but it was just the way people take little little things you say and just run with it I didn't like that so I was just like I'm not messing with Twitter no more I'm not F to put out no little like things that could be taken a certain way I'mma just why not just have my own podcast and you know ask people questions I've always been curious I think that might come from being homeschooled but I've always been like a free thinker didn't didn't conform to what the culture wanted you to think or the social norms so I think for me K's Mike was just an outlet to have people on there that I found interesting and ask them questions and have a like unfiltered conversation about things that you know some people may be scared to talk about or whatever and just talk about it and be open I feel like on social media nowadays if your opinion goes against what the normal opinion is you get crucified for it so for me it was just trying to create like a a safe place just like y'all do um just to talk for real what what's your your opinion on you just mentioned the bubble what's your opinion on the Lakers championship of the bubble like is it is it stamped you mean yeah should have asri be beside outside because I think every team still had to be in the bubble it wasn't like they got an unfair Advantage um we all were there we all was going through it um they lasted the longest so if anything credit to them you know it was tough being in the bubble um it wasn't as bad as people make it sound but I think the worst part was you couldn't have no females up there that's why dudes was getting trouble it leads into my question Freddy it leads into my question but no there's no there's no asri and this is this is something that we can leave them out of cuz beautiful handsome Rich lightskinn fellas like myself and like yourself yeah what's up um is it hard bro like you you I don't know if you have a lady but like just traveling and doing like being what you are as NBA star you can't sneak around nowhere you 6'10 like you're not sneaking nowhere is it hard in what way is it just hard that like your love life and all like can you can you do it I've been married 15 years now cuz I find you know I found mine so you married so did you know from like back in the day or you met her like once you already were I met her while I was playing at a charity event okay that's a good place to meet a girl that's a great place to meet a girl but I was in the club too and I wouldn't marry none of them [ __ ] right but like is it hard is it hard bro cuz you like honestly I was joking but bro you're a good looking dude and everybody know you big you famous you rich [ __ ] I think um it's definitely hard I think it depends what you want because like some dudes they want all the all the girls they want to hit hit some in every city you know they're trying to get all the different girl in every city so in that aspect if I was trying to live that way it wouldn't be hard but I grew up in a household where I seen my dad be faithful to my mom they had eight eight of us you know um God fear in household so I believe in in marriage like I know that's a concept nowadays where dudes are just like no I don't really know if I want to lock it down with a but that's what I saw growing up so I believe in that so in that in that aspect I think finding the right girl now is hard like if I had met her in high school it would have been cool like a lot of these dudes marry their high school sweetheart you know Steph Curry Giannis LeBron um but nowadays the way these females be acting bro I would say that's the hardest part is to to meet a girl now nowadays and like trust her with with that and give her that lifestyle you know what I mean how does your how does your faith play into that because in truth like Christianity and faith is you talk about the norm it's becoming abnormal especially for people to be outspoken about it for people to truly walk the life yeah and so where it's not even just I'm looking for a particular thing in a helpmate and a partner for the rest of my life it's that my lifestyle is different is there ever or how difficult is it sometimes to find someone who matches that with you yeah it is it's tough like I said because it's so anticult sural nowadays but it's even worse of these females bro these these these these girls out here is crazy these days so to and they put on a front like my dad has told me a story he was engaged before my mom but you know the girl was putting on the front like she really was into her faith or whatever man he he he kind of saw some signs whatever broke it off with her next thing you know his tires is slash his clothes has took out the C so these girls know how to put on the front they're getting Slicker and Slicker I used to think dudes was worse than females I don't really know anymore I don't know so I think it they they I think it's it is hard um but it's going to happen one day I'll probably meet her overseas or something was your was your was yourp in New Orleans at this time he was in New Orleans my man so I'm from New Orleans Creo Creo I already know so he was in New Orleans but it's crazy they met through basketball but like my dad CU he he was born in Mississippi went to college in New Orleans bringing my mom over to that area you know he would he wouldn't he wouldn't hold her hand walking through there because it was still some you know some some racism stuff going on down there so and then my mom's from Iowa that's like the whitest place ever you know what I mean so she really it was it's crazy how they met um and I know they've told me stories about you know when my mom would bring my dad where she's from and vice versa but uh yeah at that time that's how it happened yeah I want to ask you about the End season tourney okay because the Lakers hadn't been the same since they won it yeah how has that um changed the dynamic like the competition level at the early point of the of the season because watching the NBA you know I I've been watching it for for a while it seems like guys don't really start to turn it up until after the allar break and then also again in the playoffs how has that changed the competition levels I think it's definitely been a good thing it was it was fun for us like we really wanted to get to Vegas we really wanted to win that uh it don't matter how much bread you got 500 bands are smooth you can do a lot with that so super so for everybody like we were trying to we was trying to get there um especially for the Young Dudes on our team they were they really could have could have used that um as well so it definitely increased the competition and I think um it'll be a good thing going forward but everybody still at the end of the day cares about the finals the the the the real playoffs but I think that that inseason tournament really uh can put some some some uh competitiveness into those those earlier games for sure can you actually see the difference in how guys would attack those those yeah n you can you can see it I think at the end of the day like people have this this thought that dudes don't try hard sometimes during the regular season or in the early part of the season but that's not true because dudes are still playing for contracts playing time all star appearances all these things so when people act like NBA players don't play hard that's not true dudes is playing hard every every game you're just playing against the be best athletes so sometimes it might look a little easier the only reason the playoffs looks different than the regular season is because you play the same team and you start to know all their plays so teams aren't getting the same shots that they in the regular season but dudes is playing hard every game it gets faster and faster how much uh does fatigue play into that as well though in the playoffs no just during the season I you know during the season the fatigue of of the travel of being in different places the back to backs all of those things because just our season is simple right you when we played it was 17 weeks it's 18 weeks now you play once a week you gear up the entire week for three hours right and you understand in those three hours that's all I have it's a different mindset walking into the St and I didn't realize that at first I became real cool with Russ over this past year in Denver and he kind of was walking me through the whole difference between you know their schedule and our schedule he would talk about they would go have meetings every day you know and just the process of you get to do rehab all these days leading up to Sunday or whatever when y'all play but then you get it's one game a week so if you lose you got to sit on that you got to sit on that for a week that's tough like I I I would hate that you know you got to sit on a bad game an L for a week um for us you play you play again not in two days or a day so it's a different mindset but the fatigue is a little probably different I mean football is obviously more physical than basketball but as far as having to get up and play a play a game against the best athletes in the world every other day can be tiring for sure it's crazy y'all share a best friend we don't share best friends oh you don't like Russ r he likes Russ I don't dislike Russ I just think he's lame you just think he's like a little corny or something he's corny like he's just not like I'm from Inner City Atlanta I see him talk I hear him talk and I'm like that's not the guy I want to hang with I wouldn't I want to have a dinner with him and he's about to leave Denver so y'all probably won't be having too many more diners together cuz how you think they sea pton Shawn Payton just said I don't need Russ here yeah why why you uh why you think that went down that whole situation was weird to me as far as like them benching him and getting him out of there that he was there before Shawn okay so Denver brought him in and I don't know I don't know how he feels about it I ask you how you think about the situation but I think he was there before Shawn and then Shawn came in and he wanted somebody else yeah and Shawn want somebody else Shawn Payton is a turd and that's okay right like he's from the old school of coaching the bill parcel School of coaching if you listen if you see a man coming to the first press conference and he's asked about a quarterback he's never worked with and he immediately says what he's not going to allow that guy to do then he's already had a plan in his head of how I'm going treat him yeah right the thing that's different in your sport and ours is like it's five of y'all but it could be five of y'all who are all multi multi multi-millionaires who I think I don't know how many can have a Max contract I think he's up with three players or whatever however it works for y'all you can have all of these Mega Stars there's usually only one Mega star on the football team and that's the quarterback quarterbacks are treated differently quarterbacks are handled differently publicly when you see a head coach speak about a dude personally the way he spoke about Russ he showed the world he had a problem with the person what what was what was he saying directly about um he said that he kissed too many babies he said that he's not a politician that he should be more focused on football when he soon as he got there he talked about the fact that Russell's doing things whether it's quarterback coach or whatever these things things were that Nathaniel hacket allowed that he immediately wasn't going to allow as soon as he got in without ever having a conversation with the man in the sense of if somebody asked me about you and I don't know you or before this show and they're like well what do you think about Michael Porter Jr I'm not going to speak out publicly I'm like I don't know him yeah right I think he could hoop that's all I you know and so I think when you saw that and also too you and you're an adult right when you and your coach have conversations or he wants to correct you unless it's egregious those are conversations right he's never going to talk down to you belittle you insult you because you're a grown man that understands what your job is and you're doing your best to get that job done Russ is playing Detroit and he is going out of his way to make it a scene to show that Russ is wrong right I feel like that's a setup right that's a setup so now when I do bench him I could say well you could see that things weren't working where when it comes out you call that man early on in the season and tried to extort him or bully him into changing his contract and threaten him with Ben that was crazy you know what I'm saying and so like to me I just thought it was I just thought it was foul and like I don't know Russ like Russ isn't isn't my friend but to me right is right and wrong is wrong and I felt like uh he was mishandled and you know I spoke out about it and I still stand where I stand you know and like they tried to bully him and I do believe some of the stuff that Channing is talking about and the way that presents like we also know like Russ always says the right thing right he never wants to Ruff ruffle Fe feathers His Image is important to him Russ wasn't going to be the dude to fire back at sha pton when he was treating him like that or talking to him like that whereas like another grown man is goingon to be like no man you going to talk to me like a man I got kids too I didn't know too much about him before like we we got to kick it and I know like stuff does bother him he's one of them dudes he's not like me like I have I have a faith in God but like if somebody talk I'm going to talk crazy he's always one of them dudes that looks on the positive side of things like no matter what like I don't know how he does it he's he's he's a he's a good dude like I've learned some things from him um He does care about football a lot like every time I'm there he's getting tream watching film doing something about football but he is very very like positive um and tries to protect his image I just want to put that out there cuz I mean I know there's a stigma out there that he might be like Corner your L I know know bro point and it's something I said RC right this is the thing cuz we got a lot I got a lot of flack About That season ends Friday night you want to go party my thing was I'm not calling Russ to go out and hit the streets no he's not the dude to call for but he doesn't want he doesn't want to do that because he's not made like he's not like I always say he's not like us like the thing about being but I know it's okay that's what I'm saying it's not like watch this like like you would want your daughter to to date a square I want my daughter to marry a square so so then that's so then really when you call somebody like lame or corny or whatever it's not really an insult because that's somebody you would want your daughter to marry I know but I would want to hang with him I'm going to say this you don't have to be corny to treat a woman right so I'm not going to say like just CU just just but yeah but like but what I'm trying to say is it doesn't it doesn't make you like being school like not going out and all that stuff does it make you square square what what what it is and what I think he was trying to say was was it like the thing where he was talking about the the the the warming up on the plane or whatever it's it's the Broncos Country let's ride it's the [ __ ] he does lame L we're we're going to move on what it feels like and he he eventually came out and spoke about the Shawn pton thing right and he and he actually said okay this is what happened when someone is as image conscious as Russ is it seems inauthentic right I could disagree with you on things that you say but if you always present to me in a way that I feel like is you right and it's your true thoughts your true feelings what you're actually dealing with I'm like whether I agree with him or not I feel authenticity from him people like to feel authenticity it's why people love alen irvis yeah right because the establishment wanted him to be a certain thing and he was like this is all I am this is all I can be I'm going to be it every day and I think sometimes when you do listen to Russ when I ask you a question about the sky or if I ask you a question about football and they're the same answers they can't be right if they're just a cliche madeup answer before you come into and I think that's why people have felt that way but Channing is not wrong I don't think Channing is wrong I just think it's also okay for him to be himself you know but I want to ask you this question this how we end every show I know you got to go first of all I appreciate your time bro I know you on the road been dope I've enjoy this I know you wrote we always ask everybody about their biggest pivot right and for you somebody who's gone through so many things different moves uh you know some let Downs obviously the extreme highs of winning what is that one moment you point to Mike that if you don't have it mpj is not where he is today man I'mma choose um a moment that happened like earlier on in my life cuz I've seen God's kind of hand on my life the whole time that's why I trust him even through my injuries I think it was probably sixth grade sixth grade seventh grade we're driving back from uh aaou Nationals I'm with my teammate and I'm in the back of the car we pull over on the highway um so that his so that his grandparents can catch up his mom's driving a car his grandparents are behind us they got to catch up so we stop on the side of the highway and I'm chilling I roll the window down because we there for like 25 30 minutes cuz we drove from Far like 10 hours away for this for this tournament I'm chilling with my arm out the window man she and it was out there for a cool 10 minutes I'm chilling I'm like on on my phone or whatever it is and she's like Mike put your arm on the window and I get hot cuz it's not my mom and and second about like it's been out here this whole time now you want to tell me to bring bring my arm on the window man so I put I pull my arm on the window rolled up the window when I tell you probably 15 20 seconds later we got side swiped on my side of the car the glass comes in the car and everything like that like my arm would have been gone bro and this was my arm was chilling out there for a cool 10 minutes 15 seconds after I brought my arm on the window the car hit us on my side like I would say for me that's the point I look back on my life um where I'm like okay God was there for me then he got me he got me then he got me now you know what I mean so I think that's a big pivot obviously I got some other ones but that's one that just came to mind right now I wanted to share that how much did that affect you though in listening to people right because because you know your thought like that that like that's a and I don't want to call it a nasty thought but that's a thought you're like man look like you my you not my parents right like I don't have to listen but in listening it may saved your life and definitely saved who you eventually became um yeah definitely I think it just I've always had respect for you know my parents and for other parents but it definitely taught me a lot first of all it just taught me you know sometimes God speaks to you through other people so I think you know a lot of times people are are mad when they don't hear from God or they're they're going through something and they just feel like they're praying and nobody's talking back sometimes God will put somebody in your life or it's just a simple word and that right there is how God's talking to you so I think I picked up on that a little bit more n man that was dope man we appreciate you bro man appreciate y cool for real that was dope though hey if he sitting down and that me off I don't feel keep going like gumy apprciate for sure hey when he stood up size those 13 he's 14 14 it was like this is crazy though only basketball players can find shoes in 14s right like the the reg the regular CID walking around the 14 he wearing Shacks 14 is like the last size they they'll have in story they he wearing Shacks the Shacks with the The Shack dunking you can't say you 14 where you want to take this picture at bro can we take you here I got a dope show though this I'm definitely going to take some tips y I saw with yage on your [ __ ] when he was talking about he don't like basketball he was just like man I don't like this life he don't BR he don't he he doesn't like basketball he don't even want to have like a he he loves basketball he don't like the fame that comes along with it he don't like he don't like the attention any of that bro but but CH ready for the pict oh yeah yall can't make me they always made anybody over 63 they make me stand next to this [ __ ] taking a picture like this fam yeah in the middle right why your face little bit why your face like that cuz I'm the most handsome person of the four you taking a picture right there really definitely need to get up this [ __ ] long long oh man he still bro this [ __ ] long long still and thanks he still with it D like this dude wow hold up liit take it I here witness it my feeling feeling me up Mission got me up knowing me I got the key only Vision I can trust trust Limitless n it I witness feeling me up me up

Channel: The Pivot Podcast

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Length: 74min 47sec (4487 seconds)

Published: Tue Jan 30 2024