>> Bill: LET'S GET THIS GOING NOW. THE JUDGE IS ON THE BENCH. MERCHAN IS IN THERE. GETTING EMAILS FROM REPORTERS INSIDE THE COURTROOM. GREETS THE PARTIES, ASKED IF ANYTHING NEEDED TO BE TALKING ABOUT REGARDING SCHEDULING. THE ATTORNEY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED TO APPROACH AND THEY ARE NOW HAVING A SIDE BAR. WITH THAT LET'S BRING IN A FORMER LEGAL ADVISOR TO MICHAEL COHEN, ROBERT COSTELLO WHO REPRESENTED COHEN AT THE START OF THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATION AND RELEASED FROM HIS ATTORNEY/CLIENT CONFIDENTALITY AGREEMENT AND WHY YOU CAN TALK TO US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND WE WATCHED YOU BEFORE CONGRESS YESTERDAY. THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. THIS IS PART OF WHAT YOU HAD SAID TO CONGRESS YESTERDAY. YOU SAID COHEN TOLD YOU, I SWEAR TO GOD, BOB, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP. NOW, YOU TESTIFIED BEFORE ALVIN BRAGG'S GRAND JURY. DID YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU TOLD CONGRESS YESTERDAY? >> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING YOU BRING THAT UP BECAUSE WHEN -- BEFORE I TESTIFIED ON A MONDAY, BEFORE THE GRAND JURY, I GAVE ALVIN BRAGG'S ASSISTANT D.A.s THE COURTESY OF AN HOUR AND A HALF ZOOM CONFERENCE WHERE I TOLD THEM ALL OF THE EXCULPATORY MATERIAL THAT I HAD THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT BEFORE THE GRAND JURY. BUT WHEN I APPEARED BEFORE THE GRAND JURY, THEY WERE ASKING ME QUESTIONS THAT IN MY OPINION -- I'VE BEEN A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR MYSELF, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE CRIMINAL DIVISION IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. THOSE QUESTIONS THEY WERE ASKING ME WERE NOT GOING TO ILLICIT THE EXCULPATORY INFORMATION THAT I HAD. SO I BEGAN TO EXPAND UPON MY ANSWERS AND THE D.A.'S OFFICE WAS TRYING TO SHUT ME DOWN SAYING THAT I HAD FINISHED MY ANSWER. AND I TOLD THEM THAT WHEN I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF ANSWERING A QUESTION I'LL DECIDE WHEN I FINISH MY ANSWER AND I ASKED THEM NOT TO INTERRUPT ME AGAIN. BASICALLY THEY ONLY PUT IN A SMALL CHERRY-PICKED GROUP OF EMAILS I PRESENTED, MAYBE 200 TO 300 EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES TO THEM. I HAD THEM WITH ME LUCKILY IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. THEY PUT TWO OR THREE INTO EVIDENCE. I ASKED THEM ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE REST OF THEM INTO EVIDENCE AND THEY SAID NO. AND I SAID REMEMBER, THERE IS A COURT REPORTER THERE. I SAID WHY NOT? THEY SAID THERE IS A LEGAL ISSUE. HE SAID HEARSAY. FIRST OF ALL IT'S ADMISSIBLE IN A GRAND JURY. NOT AN OBJECTION. I PLAYED ALONG. HEARSAY, PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE NEXT TWO SENTENCES. I SAID THESE DOCUMENTS WERE MADE IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS. IT WAS THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS TO MAKE AND MAINTAIN DOCUMENTS SUCH AS THESE AT OR ABOUT THE DATES INDICATED. YOU AND I KNOW BUT THE GRAND JURORS DON'T KNOW THAT MAKES THESE DOCUMENTS BUSINESS RECORDS AND YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THE GRAND JURORS DON'T KNOW THAT BUSINESS RECORDS ARE AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE REST OF THE DOCUMENTS INTO EVIDENCE? AND THEY INDICATED MOST LIKELY NO. SO I SIMPLY SAID TO THE GRAND JURORS I SAID YOU PEOPLE SHOULD DEMAND THESE DOCUMENTS. YOU SHOULD DEMAND TO SEE EVERYTHING IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER SO YOU GET A REAL VIEW OF WHAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS LIKE IN THOSE DAYS AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME. I SAID AND THEN ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION. WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO KEEP THESE DOCUMENTS FROM ME? WELL AFTER THAT I LEFT THE GRAND JURY. I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THEY PUT THE DOCUMENTS INTO EVIDENCE OR WHAT HAPPENED. BUT SUBSEQUENTLY DONALD TRUMP WAS INDICTED. AND YOU HAVE SEEN THE FRUITS OF THAT INDICTMENT IN THIS TRIAL, WHICH IS A TRIAL ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A CRIME. WHEN I MET WITH MICHAEL COHEN ON THE FIRST DAY AT THE REGENCY OH HOLE WHEN HE WAS SUICIDAL BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, I EXPLAINED TO HIM NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS, NDAs ARE PERFECTLY LEGAL BECAUSE HE KEPT ON SAYING WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO PUT ME IN JAIL FOR AN NDA? I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT'S NOT WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT YOU IN JAIL. THEY THINK YOU HAVE DONE OTHER THINGS. WHAT ARE THEY? HE DENIED HAVING DONE ANYTHING ELSE. I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. I'M COOPERATING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, I'M COOPERATING WITH CONGRESS. BECAUSE HE FORGET TO TELL US THAT HE LIED TO CONGRESS. BUT HE WAS DESPERATELY SEEKING ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WORDS, AN ESCAPE ROUTE. I WANT YOU GUYS TO TELL ME HOW TO GET OUT OF THIS. HE SAW THESE ENORMOUS LEGAL PROBLEMS COMING HIS WAY. THEY WERE SO BAD IN HIS MIND HE WAS WILLING TO KILL HIMSELF. I KEPT ON GOING BACK AND SUGGESTING TO HIM LISTEN, MICHAEL, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TRUTHFUL ON DONALD TRUMP, NOW IS THE TIME TO COOPERATE. AND HE KEPT ON SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN TEN TO 20 TIMES, I SWEAR TO GOD, BOB, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP. I EVEN SAID TO HIM MICHAEL, THINK ABOUT THIS? ISN'T IT EASIER TO COOPERATE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IF YOU HAVE TRUTHFUL INFORMATION THAN IT IS TO KILL YOURSELF? THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS. THAT WAS HIS MOMENT IN TIME. IF HE HAD SOMETHING TRUTHFUL TO SAY I'M WILLING TO COOPERATE. HE DIDN'T TAKE THAT. HE KEPT ON SAYING I HAVE NOTHING ON DONALD TRUMP. AND THEN WHEN WE GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE STORMY DANIELS NDA HE SAID SPECIFICALLY -- AND I CROSS-EXAMINED HIM ON THIS -- THIS WAS MY IDEA. IT WAS HIS IDEA TO TAKE CARE OF THE NDA BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN CONTACTED BY A LAWYER FOR STORMY DANIELS WHO SAID SHE WAS GOING TO CLAIM THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD SEX WITH HER. COHEN SAID I DIDN'T BELIEVE THE ALLEGATION BUT NEVERTHELESS IT WOULD BE EMBARRASSING TO MELANIA. I DECIDED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS MYSELF. NOW, HE TOOK OUT A HOME EQUITY LOAN FOR $130,000 AND USED THAT AND HE DID TELL US THAT HE GOT REPAID LATER. WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE WERE FOCUSED ON AT THE MOMENT. WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS MICHAEL COHEN GOING TO BE CHARGED WITH BY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. THEN AS YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY HE PLED GUILTY TO EIGHT COUNTS, SEVEN OF WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DONALD TRUMP AND AFTER THAT ATTEMPTED TO COOPERATE BY TELLING FIBS TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT RUDY GIULIANI AND I CONSPIRED TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE AND TAMPER WITH A WITNESS, THE WITNESS BEING MICHAEL COHEN. WITH ALL THESE EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES I HAD IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THERE WAS NO TRUTH WHATSOEVER TO THAT. SO THE U.S. ATTORNEY SAID TO MICHAEL COHEN IN ORDER FOR US TO INVESTIGATE THIS YOU HAVE TO WAIVE THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. WHEN THEY PRESENTED ME WITH THE WAIVER I GAVE THEM THE DOCUMENTS THEY REQUESTED AND WENT DOWN AND INTERVIEWED FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS WITH TWO F.B.I. AGENTS AND TWO ATTORNEYS. AT THE END OF THE INTERVIEW EVERYBODY WAS LAUGHING BECAUSE I SHOWED HOW LUDICROUS THE ACCUSATION WAS. THEY NEVER USED MICHAEL COHEN AGAIN. THEY DIDN'T INDICT DONALD TRUMP FOR ANYTHING AND THEY DIDN'T USE MICHAEL COHEN AND NO CREDIT FOR HIS COOPERATION. THAT'S A LESSON THE MANHATTAN D.A.'S OFFICE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED BUT THEY DIDN'T. >> Dana: YOU SAID THE GRAND JURY DIDN'T GET TO HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS YOU THOUGHT THEY SHOULD HEAR. FOR ALL OF US LISTENING TO YOU NOW IT IS LIKE WOW, THE JURY SHOULD PROBABLY HEAR THIS. HAVE YOU BEEN SUBPOENAED BY THE DEFENSE AND CALLED TO TESTIFY IN NEW YORK AT THIS TRIAL? >> I HAVE NOT BEEN SUBPOENAEDED. WHETHER I WILL BE CALLED TO TESTIFY HASN'T BEEN DECIDED YET. IT PROBABLY DEPENDS A LOT ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN TODAY IN COURT. AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON REDIRECT BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IF I WERE IN THE ATTORNEY'S SHOES THAT'S A ANALYSIS I WOULD MAKE. >> Dana: WOULD YOU CALL YOU TO TESTIFY IF YOU WERE IN HIS SHOES? >> YES, BECAUSE I'M A RELIABLE PERSON. >> Bill: GO BACK TO THIS MEETING WITH COHEN IN 2016. IT IS LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER. THE ELECTION HASN'T HAPPENED YET. >> NO, NO, NO, NO. IT IS APRIL. IT'S APRIL. >> Bill: WHAT YEAR? >> 2018. >> Bill: GOTCHA. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW COHEN COULD PRO CURE THE NDA ON HIS OWN, RIGHT? HE SAID HIS WIFE RAN THE HOUSE. HE WENT OUT AND GOT A HOME EQUITY LOAN, OKAY? THEY ARE LIVING IN SOME PRETTY FAT APARTMENTS ON PARK AVENUE. THEY HAVE THE MONEY ON THE HOME EQUITY LOAN IF THEY WANT IT. HOW DOES HE SIGN IT WITHOUT HIS WIFE KNOWING, WHICH HE HAS TESTIFIED TO, AND WHY DOES HE DO IT THEN AND IS IT SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE THAT HE THOUGHT DONALD TRUMP WOULD GIVE HIM A GOOD JOB IN THE ADMINISTRATION IF HE WERE TO WIN? >> WELL, THAT'S MULTIPLE QUESTIONS THERE. NUMBER ONE, HE GOT A HONE THAT HE LEVERED TO IT FOR 130,000. THE REASON HE DID IT THAT WAY, HE TOLD US -- I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PAPERWORK. HE TOLD US HE DIDN'T WANT MELANIA TO KNOW AND DIDN'T WANT HIS OWN WIFE TO KNOW. HE SAID HIS WIFE HANDLES THE FAMILY FINANCES AND IF HE TOOK ANY MONEY OUT OF ANY OF HIS ACCOUNTS, SHE WOULD KNOW IT RIGHT AWAY AND ACCORDING TO HIM SHE WOULD ASK HIM 100 QUESTIONS THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO ANSWER. THAT'S HIS STATEMENT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PAPERWORK FOR THIS LOAN SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE REPRESENTED TO THE BANK. CHANCES ARE THAT HE DIDN'T TELL THE TRUTH ON THAT APPLICATION. HE DIDN'T SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT. I'M JUST GUESSING. WHAT WAS YOUR OTHER QUESTION? >> Bill: I HAD A FEW. CAN I ASK YOU ANOTHER ONE? WHY WAS ALLEN WEISSELBERG NOT BEEN A WITNESS IN THIS CASE TO DATE? THE LONG-TIME ACCOUNTANT, RAN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS. >> WELL, I THINK IF YOU LISTEN TO ANDY McCARTHY, WHO YOU JUST HAD ON. HE GAVE A VERY GOOD ANALYSIS. AND THAT IS WE ARE PRESUMING THAT ALLEN WEISSELBERG DOES NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. IF THEY THOUGHT HE HAD HELPFUL INFORMATION THEY WOULD BRING HIM FROM RYKER'S ISLAND TO THE COURTHOUSE AND HAVE HIM TESTIFY. THE FACT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT LEADS ONE TO REASONABLY CONCLUDE THAT MAYBE WEISSELBERG DOESN'T HAVE INFORMATION THAT HELPS HIM, RATHER IT HELPS DONALD TRUMP. I THINK ANDY McCARTHY IS 100% CORRECT ON THAT. >> Dana: A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T MIND. HERE IS ONE. IF COHEN DID ALL OF THIS ON HIS OWN BUT THE JURY SEES THAT DONALD TRUMP SIGNED THE CHECKS, DOES THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE GO TO THE PROSECUTION'S POINT? >> I DON'T THINK SO. LISTEN, THIS IS A PROSECUTION FOR A FALSE STATEMENT IN A BUSINESS RECORD. FRANKLY, NONE OF THIS TAWDRY STUFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN. IT WILL GET REVERSED IF THERE IS A CONVICTION BUT AFTER THE ELECTION PROBABLY. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. >> Dana: OKAY. >> THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP SIGNS THE CHECKS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CHECKS HE SITS THERE AND SIGNS WHILE HE IS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? HE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BUSY ON SOMETHING ELSE. >> Dana: DO YOU KNOW JUDGE MERCHAN? >> NO, NOT AT ALL. NEVER MET HIM. >> Dana: YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH NEW YORK JURIES. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR JURY AND WHAT THEY MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT THIS CASE AS THEY GET READY FOR JURY INSTRUCTIONS FAIRLY SOON? >> WELL, IT'S NEW YORK CITY. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT 87% OF THE VOTERS VOTED NOT FOR DONALD TRUMP IN THE LAST ELECTION. SO YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THERE IS TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME OUT THERE AND THAT THIS JURY WILL BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS JURY WHO WILL VOTE TO CONVICT HIM WHETHER OR NOT THE EVIDENCE. YOU NEED ONE OR TWO REASONABLE PEOPLE TO HANG THE JURY. IF I WAS BETTING ON THIS, I WOULD BET THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE RESULT. THEY MAY ACTUALLY JUST GET SO DISGUSTED AND ACQUIT HIM. IT'S HARD TO DO THAT WHEN 87% OF THE PEOPLE VOTE FOR THE OTHER GUY. GO AHEAD. >> Bill: WE'RE TOLD RIGHT NOW THE SIDE BAR CONTINUES. SO IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 15 MINUTES. MAYBE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU AS A WITNESS. YOU ARE A FRIEND OF RUDY GIULIANI AND HOW YOU CAME INTO THIS ORBIT BY WAY OF NEW YORK AND SOUTHERN DISTRICT BASED ON YOUR RESUME. THIS IS ONE OF YOUR EMAILS TO MICHAEL COHEN. THIS WAS APRIL OF 2018. WE CAN PUT IT ON SCREEN. GIULIANI ASKED ME TO TELL YOU HE KNOWS HOW TOUGH IT IS ON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND MAKE SURE TO TELL THE PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR OPENING THE BACK CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION AND ASKED ME TO KEEP IN TOUCH. WHY WAS IT NECESSARY FOR YOU TO BE A BACK CHANNEL AT THAT TIME? >> IT WASN'T AND THAT PHRASE WAS NOT MINE. THAT WAS A WORD THAT RUDY USED. PROBABLY AN UNFORTUNATE TERM. THERE WAS NOTHING SNEAKY ABOUT THIS. I WAS REPRESENTING COHEN. BY THE WAY, THAT FIRST MEETING AT THE REGENCY MICHAEL COHEN LIED TO THE JURY ALREADY ABOUT THAT. HE SAYS THAT RUDY GIULIANI AND I WERE CONSPIRING ON EVEN ON THAT DAY. RUDY WASN'T EVEN REPRESENTING DONALD TRUMP UNTIL A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER. YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS AN EMAIL FROM ME INFORMING MICHAEL COHEN DID YOU SEE THE REPORT IN THE NEWSPAPER RUDY WILL NOW REPRESENT TRUMP. THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, I KNOW RUDY AND RUDY KNOWS ME. THE REASON WHY IT'S GOOD WHEN YOU ARE TALKING TO A LAWYER REPRESENTING SOMEBODY ELSE, IF YOU'VE KNOWN THAT LAWYER FOR 40, 50 YEARS AND YOU KNOW THAT THE PERSON IS TRUSTWORTHY, IT MAKES THINGS A LOT EASIER. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. AND WHAT COHEN DID -- GO AHEAD. >> Bill: YOU SAID HE TOLD YOU TEN TIMES, 12 TIMES I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP. WHY WOULD -- SO HIS STORY IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT NOW. HE HAS DONE A 180. SO MAYBE THE JURORS BELIEVE HIM TODAY AND THEY WOULD NOT BELIEVE SOMETHING FROM SIX YEARS AGO, ROBERT. >> THE REST OF THE PROOF DOESN'T SUPPORT MICHAEL COHEN. BY THE WAY, ONE THING YOU ARE NOT REPORTING YET IS THAT BESIDES MAKING THAT STATEMENT I SWEAR TO GOD I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON DONALD TRUMP, HE ALSO SAID MORE TIMES THAN THAT ANSWER, GUYS, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, I WILL DO WHATEVER THE F I HAVE TO DO. I WILL NEVER SPEND A DAY IN JAIL AND THEN HE WOULD SLAM HIS HAND ON THE CONFERENCE ROOM TABLE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? THAT MEANS THIS GUY IS SAYING I WILL LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO, I'M NOT GOING TO JAIL. HE DID GO TO JAIL. AND WHO DO YOU THINK HE BLAMES FOR THAT? AND WHY DO YOU THINK HE NAMES HIS MOST RECENT BOOK REVENGE? QUITE FRANKLY, HE IS USING THIS TO MONETIZE HIMSELF BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THIS GUY CAN MAKE MONEY RIGHT NOW, SELLING BOOKS AND T-SHIRTS AND TRINKETS AND BEING THE ULTIMATE ANTI-TRUMPER. AND BECAUSE HE WAS DOING THAT ON TV, AND I SAW THAT, I SAID I CAN'T SIT BY AND LET THIS GUY TELL THE GRAND JURY, TELL THE JURORS NOW THIS FALSE STORY WHEN HE TOLD US THE OPPOSITE STORY AT A MOMENT WHEN HE WAS DESPERATELY SEEKING A WAY OUT AND WAS WILLING TO KILL HIMSELF. AND CERTAINLY COOPERATING WITH TRUTHFUL INFORMATION IS A LOT EASIER. BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRUTHFUL INFORMATION. >> Dana: THAT LEADS ME TO A QUESTION I WAS THINKING ABOUT ASKING YOU. YOU HAVE HAD TIME WITH MICHAEL COHEN, I HAVE NOT. I'M WONDERING ABOUT HOW YOU THINK HIS STATE OF MIND IS NOW, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID HE WAS SUICIDAL WHEN HE FIRST MET YOU. HE DID GO TO JAIL. NOW WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED REVENGE AND SAID TO THE PROSECUTION HE DOES WANT TRUMP TO BE CONVICTED. AND HE IS GETTING SOME STRANGE NEW RESPECT FROM LIBERAL MEDIA AND COMMENTATORS, EVEN ACTRESSES AND COMEDIANS ON THE LEFT WING PERSPECTIVE. I WONDER HOW HE THINKS ABOUT THAT? DOES HE RESPOND TO THAT KIND OF FLATTERY? ALSO THE WAY HE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE MONEY TO SUPPORT HIS FAMILY. >> THE ANSWER IS BOTH. HE DOES RESPOND TO THE FLATTERY. HE IS LOOKING TO MAKE MONEY. AND HE HAS BEEN MAKING MONEY. HE HAS A PODCAST APPARENTLY CALLED IT'S LATIN THAT MEANS THROUGH MY FAULT. IT'S THROUGH HIS FAULT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. >> Bill: THE SIDE BAR IS OVER. LASTED 20 MINUTES. THE JUDGE SAID I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WHISPERING. THE JURY IS NOW BEING BROUGHT INTO THE COURTROOM AND SO IS MICHAEL COHEN. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT GETS UNDERWAY MOMENTARILY. FINAL QUESTION. DO YOU THINK MICHAEL COHEN WAS TELLING THE TRUTH IN 2018? MAYBE HE WAS LYING SIX YEARS AGO. MAYBE HE HAS FLIPPED AGAIN. >> THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. HOWEVER. >> I WAS IN THE COURTROOM THE OTHER DAY AND IT WAS A WELL-REHEARSED SHOW BETWEEN THE PROSECUTOR AND MICHAEL COHEN, Q AND A, Q AND A, FLIP THE PAGE. HE COULD ALMOST ANTICIPATE THE QUESTION. HE WAS VERY WELL-REHEARSED. IF YOU ARE SAYING HE IS LYING NOW, WHO IS TO SAY HE WASN'T LYING THEN WHEN YOU FIRST CAME ACROSS HIM? >> I WILL TELL YOU WHY I BELIEVE THAT WHAT HE TOLD US IN 2018 WAS THE TRUTH. NUMBER ONE, AS I SAID HE WAS SUICIDE ALL DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT. THE WAY OUT WAS CLEAR, TO COOPERATE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IF HE HAD TRUTHFUL INFORMATION. HE DIDN'T TAKE THAT WAY OUT. ALL DAY LONG HE SAID I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. BUT I WILL DO WHATEVER THE F I HAVE TO DO, I WILL NEVER SPEND A DAY IN JAIL. HERE IS THE OTHER THING. DONALD TRUMP, WHEN HE WENT TO WASHINGTON, D.C., WHEN HE WAS ELECTED, HE TOOK THE WHOLE TRUMP INNER CIRCLE TO WASHINGTON WITH ONE EXCEPTION, MICHAEL COHEN. THEY LEFT HIM BACK IN NEW YORK. MICHAEL COHEN WAS VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT. AS I TESTIFIED YESTERDAY, DURING ONE OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MICHAEL COHEN WHEN I ASKED HIM MICHAEL, WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU DID GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C.? HE SAID I THOUGHT I COULD BE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES OR AT LEAST CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE PRESIDENT. NOW, AS LUDICROUS AS THAT SOUNDS, I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT HE HAD SAID THAT TO UNTIL I NOTICED THAT DURING CROSS EXAMINATION OF I THINK IT WAS STORMY DANIELS LAWYER COHEN ACTUALLY SAID THAT TO HIM. YOUR ADVERSARY AND YOU ARE NEGOTIATING WITH THIS GUY FOR AN NDA AND TELLING HIM HOW ANNOYED YOU ARE WHERE DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T BRING YOU TO WASHINGTON WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL OR CHIEF OF STAFF? HE WENT TO JAIL AND HE IS LEFT ALONE IN NEW YORK. I THINK THAT'S HIS MOTIVATION NOW. >> Dana: ROBERT COSTELLO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING THIS TIME WITH US. VERY VALUABLE AND INSIGHTFUL. >> Bill: MAYBE WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. >> Dana: IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT. >> Bill: THERE ARE 11 REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE TODAY. WHITE SHIRT, RED TIE TODAY. SO HE IS SPORTING THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE AS WELL. DONALD TRUMP IS THERE NOW WITH THE JURY AND MICHAEL COHEN IS ON THE STAND AND WE'LL GET OUR FIRST
