Michael B. Beckwith: Connect Spiritually and Elevate Your Consciousness with Koya Webb

the things that I've been teaching for 40 years used to be on the periphery now they're becoming central even what we're talking about in terms of the spiritual awareness that was over on the side that was in the forbidden book section right that was the weirdos go to this section and they cover their books and the whitey could see him and so that and even the food was way over here it was like weird people meditate you know weird people eat vegetables only a weird people you know and so I've seen it become more central in my lifetime and it has a lot it has to do with people becoming more conscious but it also has to do with the fact that the producers they know where the consumers are going and so now they want to make money hey hey we are back for get loved up hi cast and today I am here with Reverend Michael Bernard Beckwith and most of you all know that I love a god bag agape is my church home and the first time that I met the Rev he was on stage he was speaking these words of wisdom and I was like oh my goodness this is everything I ever thought in my head he's answering all these questions that I had for the last like 15 years and it just felt it felt magical I felt a connection and it was just so refreshing so welcome thank you so much I'm so happy to be with it I'm just so happy that I took a chance to try something different and to go something that a place that wasn't traditional for me right and that's kind of where I want to start with you was your upbringing did you oh did you start out with this insight that you have now or how was your transition when I look back over the course of my life my parents brought me up to a degree at Methodist Church then I went to a Congregational Church I went to the Methodist Church primarily because that's where my parents took my little boy as Lavoie I met dr. King there he spoke at the Homans Methodist Church he was on a fundraising tour for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and I remember shaking his hand and I said to my mom it has such soft hands she said well he does a different kind of work baby and so I went to a Congregational Church after that but as a teenager I was Restless and there were some political things going on in the church where the minister was sit somewhere else and so I left the church totally at that point it was not a sense of congruence with me and I became more more atheistic agnostic even through college and matter of fact me and a guy named Kenneth when we were attending Morehouse College we would go out and convert Christians to atheism what and because we had to study the Bible to do it to blow the holes in it right and and so it wasn't until I moved back to Los Angeles after a couple of years at Morehouse and I was getting ready to transfer to USC I was a part of a revolutionary organization mm-hmm and I was in a meeting and someone behind me said if you were to take over the world tomorrow you and your crew would the world be any different so looked around there was nobody there so we continued with the meeting and heard the voice again but it was coming from inside if you were to take over the world tomorrow with the world be any different so I looked around the room and I could see every person that was there and I said wow this guy has a big ego this person's territorial this would always this guy always has to be right I mean I could see everybody's pathology and I said wow the world wouldn't be any different we had this we have this revolutionary philosophy but the world wouldn't be any different because we weren't any different so I never went back to that meeting the next week somebody in that meeting shot somebody they got into an argument and they shot somebody but I wasn't there to go through all that legal thing that hey so subsequently I enrolled in USC I was a psycho biology major and I started I continued to have these inner experiences but I didn't know what it was I thought I was suffering from some kind of pathology hearing voices seeing things leaving my body visiting my mom and her house watching her cook it was all dis I said what's going on with me anyway make a long story short I I had a spiritual awakening in which I was killed in a lucid dream it was extremely painful when I woke up I could see that we were surrounded by this Universal presence of love and intelligence it was flowing through me is flowing everywhere and I could see it in animate and inanimate objects so I beat so my life shifted to study what had happened to me and then I remembered as a kid certain things that happened as a child that I kind of just put away in a little box because I didn't know what it was then I realized that as a child I was open to these kind of experiences and insights but I didn't know what it was and so all that came rushing back and then my life took a whole different trajectory changed and I began to understand understand the buddha dhamma pada jesus christ the mysticism of cheeses sorry Astrid Walter Russell you know it all made sense I was I was reading the Upanishads mm-hmm and I understood it and it's like I was remembering it oh and how are you yeah I'm probably in my early 20s right you know and but it's all it was all like remembering everything and the letters would light up in the book matter of fact I don't share this too often but I was reading about the opmod presence which is something was like the Christ presence in you and there was a word Parramatta monde which was an individual expression of the optimum presence and that was my spiritual name for a while I actually took on that name per Amma and I wrote I had a little newspaper no-lose letter little insights by Paramatma and I held that for a while and then I let it go and just be you know McMichael emerge and we say let Michael emerge but do you feel like during that time there was some shift back and forth in your level of connection with spirit and well what it was when I opened up that way nothing was important in this dimension I was wondering why people were scurrying around trying to make money it was it was I had head so I was blown out and so I was operating on a very high mystical awareness working with people individually healing people at trial as Pramod mon and what happened I had an insight that Michael my incarnation is Michael was not evolving the Michael part of me and so I had to embrace Michael and let Michael evolve so all of the things that I needed to heal hereditarily or whatever I brought with me so I was able to take the high consciousness but focus it so that Michael could become Michael so you know so when I look back over the years I can see in the beginning I would be channeling this powerful energy and then as I evolved as Michael evolved then it wasn't so much channeling it was just who I was just my Higher Self integrated into me right you know so you have some of those things they felt like you had to heal from your I had my primary issue was receiving and so that it was tied into maybe not being good enough so it's always over doing things to make mice to be good enough so there was a difficulty in actually receiving whether that be love or whether that be just attention you know I would deflect now it was a great giver very generous could circulate well and so I had to grow into the space of actually being able to be strong enough in my energy field to actually receive to actually accept I am worthy I am enough you know to be able to hold the frequency of health and prosperity and as a human being so what what things that you do to like help you what steps if someone's listener like man I'm like that too I can give all day long but I can't receive you know what I did I had a garage where I used to live and I put mattresses around the garage the windows the doors no it made it sound proof and I would go into this garage every single day and work on myself I did mirror work where I would look at myself and actually command a sense of inner authority and self love and appreciation or I would think about someone who I saw as an authority figure mm-hmm it could be somebody was dead or somebody that was alive and I would imagine them sitting them in a chair mm-hmm and I'm in their presence and so when that would happen there'd be me maybe a feeling of inadequacy would come up or a feeling of intimidation so while they were sitting there then I would look at myself and and I would do it in three ways I would say I Michael employees and confident and articulate and powerful that would look at Michael you Michael are then I would talk about Michael he Michael is so we do it in three ways because we have those three perceptions I am you are he is and so it work with all of those facets and then I would I would do something called emotionally backed you get you really going back to my past now that's so powerful I think it's people see you now and what I was really excited about it you know interview you because I wanted to know the evolution yeah because I think a lot of people feel like it's unattainable now that they can be you but to get to this higher level of consciousness this biggest version of myself so I feel like knowing it's attainable for everyone yeah you know in bite-size pieces the ideas you set yourself up for an insight mm-hmm then you have to stabilize and integrate so those are different stages mm-hmm so going back to what I was saying that I'm gonna come back to that I would do emotionally backed affirmations meaning if there was fear or anger instead of pretending it wasn't there I would turn the anger into an affirmation and then so that means all that emotion would catch what I was saying and become a part of my subjective so if I was having money issues right I would instead of saying oh I don't have any money and well I don't have any money I would I would take it become angry and say why do I always have so much money every time I just take it to say oh my god I'm always supported why do I always have good luck you know and so anyway I would do that work and so so through prayer through meditation through study etc you're setting yourself up to be a candidate for an insight right so an insight is a moment in which you have an ah-ha you'd like it's not theory anymore it's not just information you actually feel it you see it you know and so once you have that insight then you have to stabilize the insight and you have to stabilize the insight but actually walking in that vibration creating habits you know if if I really loved and appreciated myself if I really felt like all my needs were met how would I walk how would I act how would I would I be hanging out with you have to stabilize it and then it becomes integrated just you it's this it's not like you know one of my favorite statements is you don't have to rehearse to be yourself you know after watches you you just show up this is who you are you know that's so pop I feel like you know saying that a lot of people feel like well I'm an impostor or this is not true they feel like they're faking it you know when they say fake it to you making it right what do you have to say to that because I know it's real it's it's like for me it's just positive shifting the negative to a positive vibration right it's all frequency and vibration and there's a part of the personality mm-hm person see people forget personality comes from the word persona Prasanna means mask so we have a personality and that's the mask that was forged as a reaction to whatever we were growing through so if something happened to you as a child you developed a certain kind of personality to protect yourself you know some people become funny or you know be home come hard outside or you know you develop certain personalities but that's not who you are you know there's an old English word that created the word character the word character means the edge of God on your soul so we're all have the edge of God in our soul we're the emanation of God so when you're doing inner work your personality might say oh I don't believe that you know the ego moving to the personality said I don't really it's not really true I don't have any money well that's not really true I'm not feeling that good but that's the personality but inside your soul knows it's true so what you're doing is you are you are basically extricate yourself from the personality focus point of view and you're coming more in harmony with who you really are and of course it takes effort takes a little time your subconscious tendency starts to change and then you realize oh that was just my personality I I can remain even have a memory of when you develop that you know it's like um for instance just pulling somebody out that at the top of my head you think of Richard Pryor you know and he talked about the fact that he'd be bullied mm-hmm and so on the way home he developed the personality they'd be funny so before the bullies could get to him he'd start telling jokes or make everybody laugh right you know so that was a that was a reaction but inside there was still a level of you know not feeling good enough or whatever but he had this personality of course you made a lot of money with that person but so personality is our facade you know and with underneath that is who we are as a soul spiritual being so definitely if you don't feel it do it anyway right yeah that's what I learned from you let's do it anyway to hit anyway dream it anyway even when you're scared and even when you feel like it's not a reality is and it starts within you right and I think that was the most powerful thing that you taught it's just like you have to believe and you have to feel it feeling I don't know I've been saying that Oh 12 years right yeah he's been 40 yeah I mean yeah you've been sinning I've been saying for years that that it is in the feeling that provides the healing mm-hmm you know if you get feeling tone then a healing is a revelation of what's already there it's just been covered up by time and experience and perception and and defense mechanisms of coping mechanisms but as you begin to allow yourself to feel it which is a which is a practice right you just take any part of your life in which you have a good feeling about it whoo my heart's beating oh I can breathe I feel pretty good about that and then you expand it into other areas of your life that you might be struggling in right so is there a place where you feel like that okay I'm struggling in this place and what are you doing to get past that struggle well right now you know my dad just died you know and he was the patriarch of the family and we knew was coming but it's when it happens it's still unexpected right it means like and so while I was praying on Sunday he was making his transition when I was praying for him I got the text right after the prayer dad just man and so there's an immediate business has to happen here you know my brother has to rush over there and my nephew we got a call you know the police and corner you know it's all the stuff you have to do and then you go over there and he's not laying on the couch anymore the big man's calling the big man has left the room you know what I mean and so there's a mixture of tremendous gratitude for what he gave me and my brothers in the family you know and a missing it's in the same in the same dynamic you know anyway at the same time we just floats like this mm-hmm you know and so I'm just watching that you know yeah yesterday me and my brothers went to the funeral home to handle all the stuff we had to handle and so we went across the street to eat finished eating and as I finished eating threw up everything Wow and I'm looking at my brother invited my friend they ate the same thing that you throw up right yeah I mean I mean I threw up stuff that never even ate and I realized that I was releasing a lot a lot of emotional content because we've been walking with him for a minute right taking care of him and trying to make his last days really comfortable and inside probably held on to a lot just trying to you know handle that and it just all came up right and how was your relationship with your dad throughout your life I really it was good I tell you I had a spiritual experience with him my father was first of all a man of his word if he said he's gonna do it he did it he was not one for excuses you know if he said I'm coming he was there you know he was rare and he was the one that supported people he was never on there very rarely I don't even think a me think of a moment when he was on the receiving end of help he was always on the giving in it was money to be loaned he'd loaned it whatever so my father was a probation officer raising three kids and realized he wanted to be an attorney and so he was the oldest person in his class there's only three blacks in the entire loss class but he was in and he was the oldest in the class graduated had a beautiful legal career and they became a judge Wow you know and I mean so he and so people would say back man you raising these three kids you had your wife and you went to law school and you did this you did that he would just say like hey mind you just say what you want to do it you do it there's no biggest not it's not like rocket science right you just say what you want to do you walk in that direction you don't let distractions happen next thing you know you're at your goal he said this is this is not rocket so he didn't think was a big deal right you know right and it seems like you got a lot of that thank you from your dad you've got a a good thing yeah I got the best from both of them my mother was very socially gregarious she's psychic she did a lot of community activism work you know we grew a picketing on Saturdays for heart for higher wages for people of color and women and so we did on Saturdays you know I mean so I had have a combination of how beautiful yeah so I think I got like the best of both of them so so back to what you asked me my father was Stern there's stern taskmaster so so growing up it was like wow you didn't want to ask your dad for money you know he's like ask mom don't go to that because he's gonna give you a lecture you gotta you gotta back up everything you say with what are you gonna do with the money why do you really need this much just forget about it never mind never mind by the time you got through Darrow never mind you know and so I can remember so he was very you know it was hardcore out of Washington DC you know and and so I can remember this is after my spiritual awakening I'm sitting in my my living room and doing prayer work and I'm doing forgiveness work and so I start to do this work and I'm forgiving my dad from everything I'm thinking that you know he did how he didn't show up emotionally and all of a sudden these tears started coming but they didn't come out of my eyes they came out of my chest it was just all these tears it was just I could feel the energy and then they stopped and I don't know what happened but I knew I was different but I know how different so good so I lived across the street from my dad that cost and down the street so I walked across the street and he opened the door I'm gonna open the door I could see all this light around him and I follow him into the kitchen and I'm saying when did my dad change he was such a pleasant beautiful loving guy and I'm following him around I'm like wow this energy is so beautiful then I realized that my misperception had been healed that what I was seeing was him even though he had a gruff personality we talked about personality mm-hmm behind the personality was nothing but love he took care of his family he was a protector he was a provider you know he taught us well and when it came through a personality that was kind of kind of rough right you know so ever since that day which was years ago I never had any issues with my dad it wasn't he didn't change my perception change and I could see it in my brothers who didn't see that quite where they still saw him as this really tough guy I always like hey Dad what's happening you know and if he started giving me that shut up I know who you are okay it's almost like you were saying a person it's like you saw the spirit beyond the personality or ego yeah and I feel like can that happen with anyone listen I feel like we all have that personality or ego and sometimes it's so big it overshadows that spiritual self and and it sounds like you had a release it was a total release all the times where I thought he didn't understand me or he was too Stern or whatever it all disappeared and I saw him so up until the day he passed even when he was gruff I mean you know he was just that he didn't mean anything by it right but he'd like you know we were growing up he'd like for you to come don't just come with a little argument got to back your stuff up yeah he is that he mean he went to law school he was a judge right you don't come in with some old conspiracy theory right you gotta back it up yeah yeah we're the facts where'd you get the facts from no that's hearsay Wow you know did you study it yourself or did somebody just tell you that you know that's amazing yes so so I ended up with a really good relationship with him and I never took his purse you know I guess the last part of my life and his life I never took any of his stuff personally it's just bad you know Wow keeping us on our toes because I think some people they completely disconnect from their parents because of sometimes it's really traumatic like abuse and things like the news is different right and then sometimes it's just that just misunderstandings are like the personalities I know my family's personality is different from for mine yeah but I like how that you know you were able to see beyond because I feel like even going to agape and then listening you speak so much I feel like as I transition and got a different connection than I did growing up that it wasn't until I stopped seeing the things that frustrated me about different people and my family and just start seeing them as love and now we get along great just accept it right you just accept you don't try to change them right and then when their that's what you said don't try to change them I can hear you in my head because old try to change though because if you change them you create resistance right they will resist it mm-hmm but if you just live your life right one day they asked you a question boy why are you so happy mm-hmm you say oh you know I go this place called agape I eat right I do my yoga you start shared who you are I try that you know whatever it's a beautiful thing and you mentioned eat right and I definitely wanted to get into that because I was so excited when I found out you were a plant-based vegan and I was like that's amazing especially how many people you work with and how much you travel so can you share a little bit about that journey and what really inspired you what happened was was three levels one once I had the spiritual awakening I was racing my body was sensitive it was it was it was sensitive and so I remember eating some chicken and as I took a bite from the chicken I could feel the pain that the chicken had and dying and that the life the chicken had it was all in my body I could feel it let's put it out I said well what is this and I realized I was picking up on the grief and the anxiety and the fear for the chicken so I remember calling my mother I said I wouldn't be a vegetarian I'm not I'm not I can't do this right because I was too sensitive to eating it so my mother would say what are you gonna eat I said I want to eat plant vegetables so like I can't do this I can't go you know can't go through this I think I tried it a couple of more times but it didn't work right so my first movement was because of the pain of the animals then my second understanding as I began to study it it wasn't as healthy as plant-based right and so I began to study you know amino acids make a protein you don't like protein to get protein because the body has to digest it put it back together you're burning out your pancreas you have to develop all those pancreatic and enzymes to digest it so you're burning your body out by eating it so I learned the health aspect of it and then then the third level when I realized what we were doing to our environment right by all of the factory farming mm-hmm so that's the evolution you know first it was the animals themselves secondly it's healthier to not put all that meat in your body and then thirdly you know the environmentally it's unsound it's it's unsustainable mm-hmm everybody's eating meat you gotta you gotta kill the planet right so so that became so however anybody wants to learn about it you know I can say hey this is what you're doing to the environment this is what you're doing to your body right this is what you're doing do the animals mm-hmm you know stop it and how how is that because you're around a lot of people all over the world you're speaking all over the road traveling so how what have you come up against when it comes to being such I know a lot of people say well if you travel is almost impossible you know it's gotten better now because there's so much of it even have some of these taco places with vegan options right yeah I remember when I got started I remember I was flying somewhere and I ordered the vegan menu and I was sitting next to this woman who was quite obese no and so when they brought the meals they brought her this big chicken salad and we it was like small travel internationally right she's eating this big chicken and I say wow but we've come a long way oh yeah because now I can actually have a meal on a plane I still carry my own supplements you know I carry my own snacks that are healthy yeah and and try to hydrate in all of that and then as soon as I land I just Google you know vegan restaurants near me absolutely favorite thing to type in the game and that fine where it is right I know where my boundaries are I mean you know where they where they are and that's that's right hey and I used to always like fix sandwich and you know have a cuddle sandwiches to go to mm-hmm you know right get some avocados tomatoes some onions you know right and I know that's gonna sustain me on the plane till I get to where I'm going and a lot of people they feel like okay if I have that have my snacks but the the social aspect I think that's probably the hardest thing for most of my community dating relationships and family meals like Christmas and Thanksgiving and things like that how do you how do you go well my mother yeah we'd have Christmas at Mom's house and people were still eating chicken and whatever but she finally adapted to who I was and then she would have these greens no meat right this is you know me greens know me right that's another thing because they put fat everything bacon in every vegetable so if the family's kind of adapted you know what's interesting is that my kids were raised vegetarian okay and then they went off and did their own thing now they're coming back you know to me my son and they they what supplement should I take for this you know so they're like supplementing and and my daughter has all kind of funny stories about me growing up you know dad I gotta take a test tomorrow or drink this green drink right go to Koh Lanta for your break know whatever there's a little girl right and so they have all these memories of me you know bringing the good stuff to them they did and this is this conversation just happened and they say we took all that for granted growing up we didn't we didn't have we didn't know how good it was right you know what I mean they drive by McDonald's and say yeah we're not going in there you're not gonna get us right ahead of all hiked up not to eat this stuff and now you know that their foundation is coming back right even though they went off and did their own thing you know this and they're not saying they're total vegans right there began ish but did you raise them as vegan or register and how did you beginning we I was a vegetarian right she's right is vegetarian and then slowly evolved to no animal and so with the kids it wasn't that hard you just let them eat what you ate yeah okay yeah it was you know I mean they got funny stories yeah even now they say I walk into a store and they'll say coconut pineapple juice remember that used to be the refrigerator all the time growing up right different things so they were they had probably more difficulty with their peers and they go to school with lunches right you know what I mean and they'd be looking at all these bologna sandwiches and all that and they're sitting up with the different kind of vibe right and so they had you know I was pretty rock solid yeah my thing I didn't even care right and now that you see it's coming you know it's getting more popular people are doing more and more restaurants that things are popping up how do you feel what do you feel like the transition do you feel like people are becoming more conscious it's gonna continue to grow like I think that the the things that I've been teaching for 40 years used to be on the periphery now they're becoming central even what we're talking about interact the spiritual awareness that was over on the side that was in the forbidden book section right that was the weirdos go to this section and they cover their books and the white he couldn't see him and so that and even the food was way over here it was like weird people meditate you know weird people eat vegetables only a weird people you know and so I've seen it become more central in my lifetime mm-hmm and it has a lot it has to do with people becoming more conscious but it also has to do with the fact that the producers they know where the consumers are going and so now they want to make money right so they got to do it they got and it's a platinum and I supply that demand sighs you can go to you can go to death row and I used to call all of the fast food restaurant places I call that death row I'm not gonna name the names but you know all that is all they have burger taco chicken I say that's death row and I wait I should say that from the pulpit sometimes it's my administration come and say you're gonna get sued you don't say don't call that right I'm okay right right I mean they definitely I feel like because a lot of people are not saying via now they're saying plant-based because they feel like they're gonna be attacked not only by people they're like you can't say that but with people that are even vegan right you know and so what advice would you give someone they're like man I heard read on this podcast you know I'm gonna give it a try what advice would you give them to get started you know one day at a time what you do is you cut back on it if you can remember when Barack Obama was president and he in the Surgeon General has changed they four or four groups four food groups mm-hmm and and they said that the group should be made up of fruit and vegetables and that the side this should be the meat mm-hmm Republicans went crazy they said he was politicizing the plate but he said there's an epidemic in diabetes and cancer right that's directly corresponding to what people are putting in their mouth too much sugar too much meat too much animal by-products so we want to train the kids okay if you're going to eat meat there has to be the side dish not the main dish right so he was trying to change the Train the parents so when the kids come home and say what's for dinner mom the mother doesn't say fried chicken lamb chop pork chop egg the mother says oh we're having broccoli we have a cauliflower we're having organic corn on the cob you know artichokes you know mo we're gonna have it we're gonna have a little bit of um chicken a little bit of because if you go back in history before a lot of these diseases emerged you know people were too poor to have a whole lot of meat right they've got a phone and it can catch it back in the day there it was it was a delicacy to come in with some rabbit right or some venison or or whatever and so it was always the side dish unless you were rich when he could get meat then you died earlier right you know because your your arteries mm-hmm you've got petrified right you know you got cancer mm-hmm and so I would advise anybody was just starting out you know maybe I do it all in one plunge right just cut back on it and and maybe on certain days you don't have you don't have me mm-hmm but other days you know you get a little meat until finally you realize oh I'm feeling a lot more energy I'm digesting all this food all the time right you know I have more brain power mm-hmm it's I mean better flow and then you slowly you know I can Brazil in Japan but Japan they have days where you don't do meat all right they're trying to educate the population because it's large cancer epidemic just like here right Brazil same thing with the factory farming and so the government a few years ago started to subsidize the cattle industry mm-hmm because they were losing too much money because people weren't buying as much me bla bla so government just started subsidizing it so they can go off into other areas besides just raising cattle mm-hmm you know so the world is catching on we're not America is it right I mean we're catching on in terms of you know the the restaurants gonna make more money but I'm talking about the government right it's still in cahoots right with a dairy lobbyists and meat lobbyists right and in the pharmaceutical or right behind because they know if you keep eating this you're gonna need them shortly right the Food and Drug Administration so coming together already though right if you they love I load you up with a Coca Cola every day right and in some meat I'm gonna be selling your drugs by the time you're 40 it's a meal yeah so that that's so beautiful and I think that one thing that I feel like is happening is that you know people are becoming conscious like you say they're realizing like wow I feel better when I do this this is this is really great and I know one thing you inspired me I think I asked you I think the first time when I asked you to come oh I want to make you dinner and like the highlight of my day was making dinner for you and your staff it was my first little apartment and the complex were in and I remember having this table well from Costco tossing a sheet over it is I think it's like in the back room I still have it and like getting it getting all set up and I feel like from that moment I that you know if we if you as like this huge thought leader making these decision it can as far as so many other people and it has and I also feel like one thing that you said I think was from the pulpit or maybe we had a personal conversation but you were like oh yeah I don't I don't eat much before my sermon I sometimes I don't eat at all I don't write and I started practicing that so if I have something early like it's almost like intermittent fasting like I don't eat solids I'll have liquid I'll have juices I have smoothie and I know there's so much energy so much spiritual clarity right continues to come through and I don't have my first meal until like after 11:00 yeah me too I know I have food after twelve o'clock and that's probably my heaviest meal but if I'm on a Sunday I mean I'm at before I am meditating and then I have my first service at 7:00 a.m. the meditation service and next service at 9:30 next at 11:30 I'll eat after all those three services I do make my green smoothie in the morning mm-hmm so I have like a half a glass between every service right you know I want to get to full with it mm-hmm you know I just have enough that's gonna give me some good energy right and and as you know if you eat a piece of meat it's gonna take days to get any nutritional value from it anyway because you have to digest it and people to understand the energy and when I looked at the science behind it it's like because if you eat pancakes and all these thing whether it's vegan or not you still are using up energy to digest it and you can use that energy to speak and connect and to send a piece that you're drinking if you get it right yeah nuts right absolutely yeah you have all the best tip yeah and so I wanted to talk a little bit about agape because as you know it changed my life not only did I go to your sermons also went to the course of miracle classes Transcendental Meditation all of the food and eventually started teaching I watched you and I just how did agape start and how did it become such a huge inspiration in the world today well after I had my spiritual awakening I had dreams of a community that was very young and ultimately I I became a licensed spiritual therapist did that for seven years one on one workshops seminars did you have to go to school for that yeah I had to with within the United Church of religious science as it was called at that time okay you could take all these classes and then you can get a license in spirit being a spiritual therapist so I did that and because that when I got blown open it was like there's nothing else to do right you know it's like I couldn't go down I was on my way to medical school mm-hmm that track anymore because I could I know my mind was gonna be trained incorrectly right you know and you did some acting too right not really no people think that for some reason maybe I'll do it later I had been to some films though right I have been do something we have got a lot of documents to digress I received an award two years ago because as a thought leader I've been in more films than anybody Wow I thought Deepak was in more than me go ahead no you're the top Wow so I gave me this award for bringing my knowledge to that that's amazing but but in terms of Agape I tell you I I wait I went through a school of ministry metaphysical skin and but I wasn't trying to be a minister I just liked the knowledge in the conversation where I was learning to articulate the insights that I was having and I'll always remember this the assistant dean comes to me one day that was a three year program I was in my fifth year that's how uninspired I was to graduate I didn't care I was just loving mm-hmm an assistant dean came to me and said Michael um you've been in school almost five years it's a three-year program don't you wanna graduate I said no thank you but gradually I'm not gonna be a minister right I just like God and I love teaching mm-hmm she said what do you realize as an alumni your classes are free that if you graduate you never have to pay again I said really okay I took a full load and graduating Wow and then I started getting this visions to start something and I was resisting it you know I didn't I didn't I don't want to be a public person I was very inward mm-hmm I love solitude love my long periods of meditation my weekends were free unless I was doing a seminar you know it was like I liked my life right and I started being pulled into this direction I could remember going to see a lady that I nicknamed the Oracle who was a reader and she did this whole reading on agape and what I was why I came to the planet and what I was supposed to develop I'm like what and then ultimately I gave up resistance to that and when I did all the people are many of the people who had said to me over the years if you ever start something let me know I want to be a part of it and I'd always say I'm not gonna start nothing you know so I had my students I had like three different groups of people I had my students in my classes I had people who were clients of mine who had come to me for counseling and I had at the time he's passed over now Navona reginal Morgan Gale we do seminars together and we had individuals who had taken seminars with us it was called agape transformations and so I called them and I said I I have to I'm going to start a spiritual community you want to be part of the vision group right so in my living room I pulled these people together and all these different groups of people didn't know each other they only knew me right you know and I started a vision group and I started the vision process mm-hmm you know not what we were going to do but what we were going to become you know so it wasn't about business plans right it was about who we were going to be and so that was a number of months of doing the vision process until I got the insight the intuition that was time to time to have a public service and we started in Santa Monica people showed up and mainly looky-loos but 400 showed up to the first service mm-hmm and then it pared down to about 50 mm-hm and then it just grew from there and so agape in terms of living food ministry in terms of the youth ministry in terms of the sacred service Saturday in terms of our traveling around the war all of that is an outgrowth of the individuals that are there and it's also a part of my consciousness you know I mean m'as not interested in health and they wouldn't have been in emergence of a living foods ministry I worked with webinar lean with with with her transition into a plant-based diet right you know and that's all she's right you know and so she's a good spokesman for that because she's living that you know so it's it's grown and it's continuing to grow us now it's now at another tipping point because you have all these Millennials that are coming now right you know they're like flooding the place oh good not Church it's not religion but its truth very right so you have the elders you know you have the mid group you have the Millennials all that flooding to place with all this beautiful energy right yeah and you just went through a transition because we moved from Culver City yeah what happened was there was time to move we were in that building a long time there was always a kind of a acrimonious relationship with the management team there they thought we were a bit exotic and weird they couldn't quite figure us out because we weren't you know mono everybody you know the whole place is like black white straight gay trans Mexican Venezuelan middle-eastern everybody comes to the community mm-hmm and and I think it intimidated people because I couldn't put there this was like an all black thing was that all white thing it was just everybody all people think you know all people think and then we started getting the signs to Lee I should have left earlier mm-hmm got into a little comfort zone and then what happened was the pipes burst flooded the building and then we discovered that within the walls of the building they had residential pipes not commercial pipes it was a whole lot of legal things that went along in there they didn't want to take responsibility for the for the cleanup mm-hmm but that was just like a symptom of us not supposed to be there anymore all right yeah so we just opened up to find a new place so now we're at the Saban theater over there Wilshire Boulevard in Beverly Hills mm-hmm and we can be there as long as we want there's notice they love us there they're building up office spaces for us we have room for classes everything but will stabilize and then set our vision for the community that we're gonna build right that's that's that's next way because when you see the evolution of Agape in the beginning it was the agape Church after the fifth year became the agape Center mm-hmm and then after a while as the agape spiritual community so we've evolved because when people hear church then you know my Muslim brothers would may think interestingly about that word mm-hmm my Jewish brothers and sisters would think interesting about that so we're a spiritual center which is a real church right but I don't want to pigeonhole people right that's why when I go out to speak I don't oftentimes I don't use the word Reverend Michael Bernard Beckwith founder of agape author of blah blah blah so if people don't immediately put me into this very limited Christian point of view mm-hmm you know teachings of Jesus yes yeah but the limited Christianity point of view no mm-hmm yeah we live in a wider than that I think a lot of people and I personally had trauma around like not understanding spirituality growing up and one thing you mentioned about embracing everyone that's the biggest thing that I could not understand why and I never said never set well with me I was like why does a certain group of people why they not welcome why are they not as loved like that just never set well with me and then when I when I came to a cafe I was like wow it's not only is it diverse as you said but it's like there is no shunning of anyone and like when you read the Bible that's what it sounds like everyone is welcome people forget even some Christians forget what Jesus said Jews and Gentiles didn't he was Jewish right he embraced everything where's everybody right so it's like sometimes and if you if you study all the scriptures whether you study Dhammapada the Bible judgmentalism is not a spiritual place it were right where does judgmentalism in the Bible listen he says judge not right you know so our doors are open and because ultimately your religion is a vehicle to spirituality and Awakening right it's not the in-game mm-hmm you know it's the it's the transportation to transformation right so once you wake up you can keep your boat if you want it or you can say I'm spiritual right you know like dr. Howard Thurman one of my mentors it's a great Christian theologian is mystic went to India and one of the Indians said I disrespect you I have no respect for you as a black man mmm Howard Thurman was like what why he said when you go he was on a contingent I think he was the only black in this contingent of Christians visiting India you met Gandhi there he said cuz when you go back to America and this was fifties you're gonna have to sit in a balcony or you're gonna have to go to an all-black Church because you will not be welcomed into a white church and you you call yourself a Christian and you're not even seen as a full human being oh I I can't respect any man who would be a part of such a religion doesn't see you as a full full man mmm so dr. Thurman contemplated this all the way home back to America and he wrote this treatise called Jesus and the disinherited and in this writing he brings the teachings of Jesus and how the teachings of Jesus are for the oppressed people therefore all people right at the end he writes I'm not a Christian I'm a follower of the teachings of Jesus oh and then the Christians kicked him out Wow you see he was one of the greatest Christians ever mm-hmm and so I'm more in that lineage mm-hmm you know what it means right I'm a when you study the teachings of Jesus uh-huh they hold water their profound and if you live that way your life will be transformed mm-hmm but they don't contradict the teachings of the Buddha right they don't contradict the teachings of solar Astra the great mystics like Walter Russell or Emerson mm-hmm you know throwing that same river of unfolding right yeah the same vibration of love yeah definitely and so as you as you seeing this this transition I'm moving I know also you're transitioning with Ricky and I remember one of my favorite things was just like the music and connection and with the couples it was very inspirational to see that you all together and you know I know no relationship is easy right so can you talk a little bit about that transition like coming together and building together and now transition yeah we met when she afraid of mine actually gave me a cassette tape mm-hmm yes I wrote this song with this girl mm-hmm and I listened to this I say the song is okay but who's singing and he said why I said because I can hear something in her voice and she is healing in her voice and he said man she's not gonna come to your church she said she is you know he described her in a very interesting way I said no just give me a phone number mm-hmm and I called her and she was as he described she was like very like the literate and strong against it on it and I said we gotta pay you to come sing it ago pay mmm okay so anyway it started off that way she came and she was saying occasionally and for a while and then one time she started coming on her own not not being paid to say just wind of his company got bad she was having some difficulty in the marriage she was in and a little by little we got closer and closer and then we started writing songs together in the relationship unfolded according to net in the year 2000 I got married mmm and then you fast forward there it was adrift you know and 2015 mm-hmm is when we acknowledged it to each other you know so we've been separated since 2015 - 2015 mm-hmm you know but but the energy shifted even before that mm-hmm you know this wasn't a vibrational match not professionally mm-hmm but man woman right you know professionally you know she just retired from agape in November of last year mm-hmm still kicking good cosmic he's kissed keister you know I mean just kicking butt I mean and and now she doing her own thing which is kind of her core you know she likes that and so I love her mm-hmm as time goes by by I think mainly of only the great moments mmm a good moment is kind of where I lived with her mm-hmm and in my vibration support in my vibration want her to win you know what I mean that's kind of where I hang out with her mm-hmm and when it comes to holding space because I know it's almost like you are like the father and mother of Agape and so when that separation happens like a lot of the community feel like oh like what so how are you managing well I had to do that inside of myself and so when I remember going away for a month up to Big Bear to meditate we went to write and really got my spirit really uh retooled in a very powerful way a couple years ago when I came back I announced to the congregation that Ricky and I relationship was changing right and that I said to the congregation hold us in prayer which would transitioning from one relationship to another and I said to the congregation now remember if you're minding your own business you'll have time for no one else's so don't mind our business stay out of our business and you mind your business so the spiritually mature mind their own business it just holds a prayer the spiritually immature try to get in our business what happened what are you doing you shouldn't do this oh my god you know and so you can see the the level of maturity mm-hmm just based on that one event right you know what I mean mm-hmm and and basically relationships they're seasonal some last entire lifetime some come and provide healings for each other and then they're complete so there's different levels of that and you don't want to be too naive to think that everything is to last a certain way forever I mean you can develop and unfold together right you see or you could be mature enough to realize oh this part of our relationship is over maybe it's business that's over and your friends maybe you keep the friendship maybe you know and so inside here is where the management occurred once we realized that with it mm-hmm you know Ricky said I would be married anymore you know then this you know the movement of the emotions and embracing than that and then you got a surrender you gotta let go you can't I wish I woulda coulda shoulda mm-hmm can't live there mm-hmm you know so once it was like this is what we're really doing this right there was full acceptance of that right yeah it's full acceptance of okay that relationship is over and that way mm-hmm you know and I never really had any once I made that announcement to the congregation I never really had any issue with the congregation I think there were a couple of people like one lady was in the choir King where to be she said I remember Michael I love you I don't like you right now you know I said you might do my business mm-hmm I do you have a perspective that you're getting from somewhere that may or may not be true you know but that was like one or two people either and people are just staying out of my business right I said because you're not coming to classes retreats or the center mm-hmm because there's a couple right or a teacher even mm-hm you're coming to do your own work mm-hmm I can't meditate for you we've got to meditate I can't do your affirmations I can't do your studying you have to do that I can just be an example but I just sought to just walk through this elegant very elegant way you know I have nothing but good to say about Ricky Byers right you'll never hear anything other than who she is as a genius and what do you feel like cuz I got an email about this conscious uncoupling so I feel like a lot of people are in this place where they're like okay I'm in this relationship it's great we've grown but it's it's ending and so what advice would you give people who are going through I think that when you understand that you're entering into a relationship in the beginning to grow that that other person does not have your happiness and you don't have that other person's happiness and one of the things that people say in their immature state is she didn't make me happy or he didn't make me happy well that's a very immature comment mm-hm because if you want somebody to make you laugh and happy hire a clown don't get married even if enemy you hire you hire a comedian who's making me happy you know your internal relationship basically to grow together right and so that that growth and unfoldment may last an entire relationship or you may find yourself complete so if you go in to it not in a naive way mm-hmm then it's easier I mean you're still pain right there's still like emotional trauma you know but if you if you go into it from a spiritually immature way like some religions like Christianity forever but as an example trapped people standing at it forever to send a divorce kind of thing but if you look in our indigenous cultures who've been around thousands of years America's only 200 years old it's a baby okay it has high technology but the breath of wisdom is not what scary didn't like the cook lakotas are there none of the African communities who thousands of years of being a community you know some of the Native American cultures Yury up every seven years mmm you get married and have kids whatever in every seven years you come together and you say are we good we want to do another seven are we growing together or we not have been completed this relationship and so that's built into the dynamic is the fact that we thought we could change and grow like this that in terms of friendship of being in each other's heart but in terms of the dynamic of a couple in the African tradition the same thing you may have no a mallet OMA soulmate mm-hmm you know he and his wife were together for many years the first wife he had and workshops together they were a power couple and then they realized this is complete mmm they flew back to their village sat with the elders mm-hmm the elders did their debe nation and all the stuff that they do and said yeah you guys are complete you and they got permission from the ancestors and from the community to part you know and and that was built in to you know you don't enter into relationship to break up all right you go full-on mm-hm and you realize oh I filled this area of my life or this is over this is not working this is I can't live with this whatever it is then it may be complete and then it's it's it's easier than to uncouple right you know mm-hmm and so I think that the the marriages that I do built into the marriage is are certain things like you don't compare your relationship with anybody else's you don't say to the other person don't change instead you say we're coming together to change and grow you know you never ever if you're going through problems tell somebody outside of your relationship the issues you're going through it's immature and the counselor yes all right you know but not a friend can't hold the vision of your relationship right you know what I mean because once you do that then that thought goes out they say you're mad at your maid for whatever all right and you go out and tell somebody then now they're holding your mate in a certain perception mm-hmm now you may have come back and healed forgiven realize you were wrong or whatever the case may be but community members are now looking at him or her oh and that's creating like a metaphysical bubble around you right you don't want that right so you never ever share if you're going through a hard time you can share the testimony when you've gone through it right but why are you growing through it you only share that with someone that can kick your butt if your perception is off or help you mend right you know so I bring that into a relationship wouldn't people say understand this is not funny games way it is fun but in eight games I mean it's fun and changes are gonna happen right and the people that are getting married aren't gonna be the same people five years from now ten years from now mm-hm it ain't like you know you're gonna you're gonna be different and you have to find out five years from now eight years from now do these different people would they get married again you know right people have the wreath ceremony they renew their vows because yeah I'm going to keep doing this right and some people are like maybe not okay there's nothing wrong with you mm-hmm but but we don't need to be together in this kind of relationship mm-hmm you know I was speaking to a woman and you know her and her husband got a divorce but they still live together we had a big house they said it's better for us to be friends oh you know and they did and she said I said how long he's been living together she said 15 years wow really she said hey he's like the best roommate I ever had but maybe she said but living but being married to him and the different expectations we had of each other's work you know yeah so I think that people need to give themselves freedom mm-hmm rather than to have this rigid image of what it should look like I tell people in marriage ceremonies your relationship is not governed by the state all right it's governed by your state of consciousness mm-hmm you know and we're all gross there's probably friends right but you don't have now mm-hmm that don't fit with who you are today that may have been in your life 15 years ago absolutely you just we're just different I'm so different lately different you know and you may have had relationships back then they would never work now right there's nothing wrong with them mm-hmm there's not a bad person they're not evil mm-hmm but it doesn't fit with your core yeah absolutely yeah I think I think it's so important for people to know because the way especially being raised in transitioning to a different mindset or opening your mind to a different consciousness than what you were taught or what most of society is following I think it's very difficult for a lot of people and I feel like having someone like yourself who's been through it gone through it and grown grown through it is really important right hey this is not over right you know somebody I mentioned this to someone um I was on a radio program the summer I was asking me about my relationship you know different questions and they said and I've been married to my second marriage mm-hmm I say well you've had two failed relationships blah blah I said no I happened hmm I said I've had two very successful relationship I said my first marriage was with my high school sweetheart right we have two very beautiful kids they have beautiful hearts that great contribution to society I've got grandkids said and I spent Christmas with her right and her husband with my kids that's a very successful transition very successful relationship said my second marriage was with a musician mm-hmm we wrote hundreds of songs together we produced a lot of programs together touch the lives of millions of people very successful right now we're not together in an intimate romantic way anymore but that was a very successful relationship I said I will it no one determined my narrative for my life absolutely you know my narrative I had two very powerful relationship but two very beautiful women I'm very happy about that that's so beautiful I think that perception is one I feel like if you can look at it like you say your personality you can look at like the negative and all the bad which I think most people do especially when they leave a relationship or you can look at all the good yeah and I think that is some of the most powerful things that you teach because the transition is not only in relationship but in life and in job is like you look at all the negative things or you can look does the good outweigh the bad right I do I wonder if I want to keep with the good and the good I went back great if not there are other options absolutely and I feel that infinite infinite possibilities okay so I have a couple questions that I like to ask and one of those is that if you were to have a different occupation that would be just as successful and praised that's what would it be oh my god hmm you know I remember a number of years ago I realize I had no other skills in life yeah only skill I and this is not a you know it's going in and can having a strong connection with the presence and they're not allowing that information that transformational knowledge to flow I said well if I want another job I couldn't do anything else because I've lost a lot of things but if I could have another profession Wow what would that be well it's too late for me to be the point guard for the Lakers you know whatever it is you want to integrate it whatever it is a divine law is gonna make it happen for you you'd be just probably at this stage my development I'd like what I do mm-hmm I get to work with all kinds of people you know I probably may want to work somewhere in the United Nations as a peace broker you know mediation between heads of state so that we would dissolve some of the conflict before it leads to war you know oftentimes individuals they need to learn how to see things from each other's perspective just like in intimate relationships nations need to do the same thing and that might be a profession I could kind of feel good about you know or I would just like to be a Flowmaster apisto fund the organizations that are on the ground I'm actually building the kind of world I want to live in whether it's building the schools that are necessary in the inner city and around the country people always talk about going to Africa and building schools or other places and I think it's necessary mm-hmm well we also want to do it here right you know and we have a couple waters where what are some of your top philanthropist outreach is because we do a couple at agape and then but there are others that you support so what are some of the ones can we share well we support the village in Sri Lanka Cibola movement mm-hmm and that was brought into being by ATS names a Treo Rodney yeah and he ended the caste system in Sri Lanka he was one of the guys that he was a teacher in high school and the untouchables weren't supposed to sit next to those who were the touchable right and he would have these um field trips in which he'd bring them all together and they tried to run him out of the country and he stood strong and held it eliminate the entire caste system and that was how long ago it was in our lifetime right and I mean I couldn't but when I heard about I I can't believe this is still happening and it's still going on yeah just like racism is still going right well racial superiority in absolute you know and so he was one who made it illegal the same way like dr. King and his cohorts made the segregation illegal right you know so he's developed these um there was a big flood there in Sri Lanka hurricane then destroyed a lot of the infrastructure so agape raised money to help rebuild right and so he built all these villages but in the village that you know you have a buddhist living x2 a christian living next to a muslim may be next to a buddhist living next to a christian so he didn't allow it to go back to where it was before where all the muslims live it over here and right you know and then they have a council where they meet every week to discuss how to handle certain issues with their plant good he's a vegan too man based how did grow the vegetables bla bla bla right so he's teaching everybody to live together so we love supporting that you know we were the first organization to be in Haiti after that big thing that happened a number of years ago the Baker earthquake a flood or something agape trucks went in first you know it was all miraculous we meet the United Way we meet Red Cross don't we help build hope this hospital you know that was you know so we have a team through our global works ministry that deals with like emergencies right and what she does that particular minister she vets organizations that do this cuz we can't do everything but we can help fund those that do it right so because there's a lot of fly-by-night organizations then most of the money doesn't go to we're supposed to go so she vets the organization's so by the time the agape congregation is giving us money for that we already know the organization that's really gonna do the good work you know so we're there through them mm-hmm you know so we we have that we have I mean I guess we believe in India we've built built schools many oh we've helped build schools in Africa a sense of courtesies organization we're just wherever we can help the kind of rise up it's amazing I love it and if you could give some advice to your 14 year old so what advice would you give it you know hmm well I think I took that if I said hey keep on going I don't ever give up you know and everybody whenever you hit that wall just do not give up into a complacent comfort zone because eventually the universe is going to is gonna through its law it's gonna open something up for you right so if I think back to 14 and he was in high school he was um I wasn't sure high school okay so I'll tell you I was the fastest in the school had broke I have a poke the record for the 220 yard - Wow it was we were minority at the school black people mm-hmm and we had to develop a philosophy to survive mm-hmm and that philosophy was we were the superior people why mm-hmm because we went all the athletics and we got all A's so Wow you know so was it the fence mechanism of course but to fight against the onslaught of racism even from some of the teachers mm-hmm I remember when I was in high school we had to write a composition about our future and I wrote that I was gonna go to USC I was gonna do this and that with my dad right I got a C on it because I was dreaming too big get out of here yeah the teacher who was white said that that dream was not good for it was that for me Wow can you imagine that no yeah and I eventually with USC mm-hmm right and so we had to deal with that we had to develop certain philosophies just to stay protected from that racism one of those me me and my friends I'll say their names all Heinemann Meredith seals brilliant guys developed a philosophy that we were the superior people mm-hmm right so we would like but in biology we like a sit mm-hmm and then we would practice and go out and win in all the sports right I mean absolutely so I would probably tell that guy to keep on going mm-hmm that's beautiful it's gonna be some bumps in the road but right don't let them beat you down absolutely and I think that's kind of what's happening in what we're experiencing now I feel like as you know Trump is president and like all of this racing that's always been there and if you've experienced it you know it's always been there and if you travel as much as you do and I do like you know it's never been anywhere but I feel like for some people who were kind of in the dark they're starting to realize you know all of the microaggressions and all of the things that are happening and I think a lot of people are trying to figure out how to deal with it I feel on one side people that were kind of blind to it but not necessarily racist trying to figure out how to be and I feel like a lot of people who have been experiencing and really kind of accepting it for so long have been are like you know what I'm not gonna accept this anymore I'm gonna speak out and I'm going to stand in my power so with that happening what is your advice to because like like you said I got day is so full of like all types of people so how do you what how do you help a person that's going through that on both sides yeah well the beautiful thing about number 45 mm-hmm is that he's basically allowed for the dust that been accumulated a rug to be seen mm-hmm if it's swept away for so long right and people have been thinking that because certain laws have come into place over the years that there was no issue right but people don't understand that the narrative hasn't changed like when you when the the first African arrived on the shore as a forced immigrant a slave but they were demon human they had to justify treating people that bad so there were the Africans only 315 win or whatever so then the law change slavery was abolished but you had segregation at Jim Crow narrative was still the same we're not human laws change segregations against the law law changed narrative stayed the same then you have police brutality as an example in Portland today blacks make up 4% of the population they're pulled over 56% of the time the only 4% of the population but they're stopped are we that bad of a driver right and so then so the laws are changing but the narrative has to change right so the narrative that's in the Constitution is it all men are created equal okay we weren't considered men back then so we have to the work we're doing is shifting the narrative so that everyone knows regardless of your gender sexual orientation color of your skin and then underneath we're one spiritually right so because 45 has allowed this to surface that's part of act that he's I called him an evolutionary trigger that because of him being an office we don't nothing's hidden he just says what's on his mind Mexicans are dreams and robbers and rape this you know I mean Charlottesville there's good people on both sides no it's not good people on both sides if you're a racist you're not a good person right there's no moral equivalency to white supremacist and a person that saying black lives matter there's no there's no equivalence there black lives a man should say black lives matter matter too so I think it's brought it up so we can heal it you can't heal it if you're suppressing or repressing it but when it's like with a personal healing if you repress the memory mm-hmm or suppress it then it affects your perception of the world yeah but when you start to heal it then you start to remember oh this is such and such happened to me when I was five that's why I blah blah blah right so he's basically bringing to surface what has been trying to be repressed or suppressed and our nation in our culture that can't be suppressed anymore see so we're in the process of healing it's like a a pimple being popped out oh I don't know what a puss is in there right you know as I told people that gob a this is a new to us as you were saying right racism thing to go away because Obama was president mm-hmm it got more intensified in some places right you know so now we have an opportunity to say what it is and to ask what are we going to do about it right so the good folks on the planet have to create a different narrative I mean policies are good but without an underlying narrative it still doesn't work right you know I mean I'm glad there's an anti-lynching law I'm glad there's an on segregation law and glad there's a voting rights bill that needs to be renewed I'm glad but underneath if a person is still holding on to an unconscious or kayat conscious biased against me what's gonna be some issues right you know and what do you do when that narrative is fear for the individual that doesn't like me mm-hmm I think what the Obamas did was for eight years showed that black folks can be articulate mm-hm smart mm-hmm intelligent creative innovativeness have love for each other and compassion for the world it I think it really messed up the mindset of a lot of people who were operating under black stereotypes right lazy TV whatever mm-hmm you know so I think that more and more they're seeing that just like in any race right yeah people that have high levels of integrity yeah people that have poverty of the soul there's no way no one has a monopoly right on poverty of the soul it wasn't the color of your skin what you have what happens is we have less opportunity mm-hmm because if if you fill out an application and it says Sheneneh Jones that a page is not gonna be read that's so sad you know what it means oh right let me put this over here Oh window Brenda Johnson and they see what she looks like you know what I mean right so the racism is still there mm-hmm but the thing about it is you know the the African on this continent has successfully moved to the top of every single aspect of our culture mm-hmm music athletics education technology food we keep on breaking the ceiling so that there's something about oppressed people mm-hmm that just creates an opportunity right you know where there is none and so I would I would invite all good people to not bury their head in the sand but actually ask the question what is it that's mine to do you know in other words if a white person is saying what is it that's mine to do you would look in your life do you have any friends outside your own color of your skin you have a good now I'm not talking we work with mm-hmm you ever go to dinner with someone that doesn't look like you mm-hmm that may be coming from Mexico mm-hmm Africa Venezuela Walla or I mean do you have any friends outside of your own little niche now if you don't then it's high tide that people reach out you know it's dr. Thurman that said it is impossible to love humanity in general you can only love humanity in particular in other words it's it's an abstract to say well I love humanity but if you don't have humanity as your friend if you can't say oh yeah right yeah she's gay she's cool oh he's black he's cool we go to dinner together you never really do another mm-hmm you just in your own Conclave you know your own little silo right saying I love humanity but doesn't mean anything she's abstract right you know so agape came into existence so that people could collide and love and debate and work together and pray together to actually see we really are what it's beautiful and I love it and so last question right now what are you most excited about that you're working on oh let me see there's there's a lot of work I'm doing with the right use of technology it's allowing me to touch a lot of people my own my own Michael Beckwith app will be released soon and which I'll be giving a lot of you know a lot of interviews like this more in-depth practices right you know tuned in you can you know I'll be so I'm really excited about that I'm excited about that will be placed on something called the land which is your own digital equity that you can own I'm gonna turn you on to it in which all of your social media will be in one place people won't have to go from facebook to instagram right Twitter it's gonna be in one place mm-hmm when coiours lay land it's beautiful when they go see you they can go at it and then they can see who you're connected with you know something I'm excited about the right use of technology yeah because it allows me to touch people that I'll never get a chance to meet right all over the world just like my live streaming you know most of the congregation of Agape is actually around the world now and the thousands you see on Sunday are the minority of the people that are around the world to it yeah I'm very excited about that got a new book coming out called take back your mind oh I can't wait for that I'm gonna be out in a few months yeah you know I kind of I kind of wake up with a lot of enthusiasm thank you so I'm excited I'm excited about the book I'm excited to learn more about the land and like the online because I I agree I feel like that connection is amazing and even moving to California and finding a copy and all of the diversity it opened my mind it helped me learn to love not only myself but so many other people and I feel like that's why I think traveling is so good and important for people because you can't if you don't get out of your bubble you only know what their bubble but when you travel you experience it it's a shame that less than 12 percent of the population have passports can you imagine I found that that was winner George Bush was being elected president or selected okay or actually won mmm I mean he can't be actually counted everything all right little-known fact perfect right but I remember that's when I stopped boating for a little while and eventually I came back yeah I remember the critic one of the critiques about him was that he hadn't traveled internationally and then some of the statistics show that most Americans at that time only 10% of our population even owned the passport so they were in their own they haven't traveled out forty miles outside of where they lived mmm so they're they never get a chance to expand their awareness could keep talking to the same people all the time look at the same television shows talking to people that agree with their same perspective mm-hmm you know so now we have you know all these documentaries enough all these channels people can actually go around the world on YouTube or on Instagram but people need to get out more mm-hmm you know there's a movie coming out called free trip to Egypt mm-hmm and I'm not in it or anything like that they wanted me to to be on the panel when it came out but I will be in Egypt when it breaks Wow but what month will you be in Egypt June oh I'm going to knocked over for the party song oh you go like that I believe Leo leo I mean I'm cancer right and now I'm all wait that's another thing that exciting oh oh you know Leo food run the cuss but anyway this ties in to what you were asking earlier these individuals would go to all the Trump rallies mm-hmm and they have this big poster that said free trip to Egypt and these were these people had melanin in their skin you know and people were spitting on them and cussing him out and but they would go to every rally to Egypt and every now and then someone will come up to them and say what are you talking about just Oh we're gonna give you an all-expense-paid trip to Egypt everything everything is covered your room your hotel hey what's the kids the only catch is you actually have to sit down and have dinner with the Muslim family that's all you have to do Wow and just have dinner with them a couple of times you have conversation nothing else mm-hmm and so people signed up and it shows the evolution of these these racially superior people as they thought they were right going to Egypt and then talking to a Muslim in their house and coming back changed she suppose the evolution of what happens when you just meet somebody mm-hm they're not terrorists right it's gonna blow up anything they're raising their kids like everybody else right you know and so we need more of that mm-hmm more connection yeah cuz connection I I feel like disposed confusion yeah that's beautiful thank you put that on a t-shirt no thank you so much it's been such a treat for me I appreciate you like everything you've done to my life even writing the foreword to my book I am just so grateful for the work you've done in my life and so many millions of other people so thank you thank you for the work you do I've watched you and you had and interesting enough when I saw you before everything you're doing now is what I saw that's how I saw you I saw you is bigger than life being teaching you know spreading the good news I always kind of I see things I see the potential before it happens but for me it's always happening already so that's why I've always related to you the way I've always related to you like this is what you're doing this is who you are right and you're now like I love you that is that is how I feel I feel like what you said like I keep having a spiritual awakening into a whole nother level and then once I think like wow this is really awesome it's like a whole nother level waiting that's right to be experienced so have a question that has everyone every show how do you get loved up hmm I think right now when my family comes together it's like as my father and mother little Evie leaving is a closeness that's always been there but now it's becoming more obvious it's like it's filling in the gaps of where they left off loved up that way I love the beach I need to get them more often I have a power spot that I've gone to over the years I'm talking I'm even before I started agape mm-hmm I would drive to the spot take off my shirt it's tie so you know that and just breathe in the negative ions from the ocean you just get loved up by mother earth by mother nature I love all of nature right you know that's kind of and I let nature love me and that is amazing and beautiful and thank you for all that your life is all loving yourself loving others loving the planet and that's what that's what get loved up is all about so thank you for all your inspiration we're gonna throw some love at the people make a little heart throw it out to them peace and blessings peace and blessings gumbylives calm Oh guys please share with the people all the places they could find you other thing I always go to agape live.com AGA PE li ve calm or michael bernard back with calm see what's happened he can live strain we see a coil audience loved up you

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Length: 91min 18sec (5478 seconds)

Published: Mon Jul 08 2019