Melly Mel Talks Kev Mac, Santana Blocc, Growing Up In Compton, Tookie Williams, Turtle, And Prison.

he used to come by his work for my homeboy Turtle Kenny Wayne Johnston you corrected me yeah I mean based on because what I thought cripping was It was supposed to be he stopped me and said no it's not that yeah I actually saw somebody and it was a woman you know with some dudes and she the only one had the thing on the red bandana and I grabbed it off of her what's up world it's your boy big court on a holding Court podcast broadcasting live from where produced again man Hollywood California Hollywood that's some new [ __ ] we just started huh that's a new [ __ ] you just started I don't know why I just started just just dropping the location like that bro um but listen man we are trying something different today man um you know I don't give the viewers uh uh a good you know I keep my personal life you know out the Limelight or whatever but I want to share something special one of my biggest accomplishments in life you know what I mean we're gonna have fun try something different I have my oldest daughter uh co-hosting with me guest hosting today uh my daughter Rachel Renee hey world it's her first episode the house you know I'm saying it's excited to be here yeah this is my this is my oldest child so she gonna you know join us and and we're gonna see how this thing go well hold on though I think you need you have to get to the proper introduction because I know this as a kid this is a gangster ass podcast it is you was you was a gangster ass teenager I was and you raised your daughter was gangster [ __ ] I did raise your own some games so there's context to it it's not just you know it's my daughter here there's a reason no that's true that's true I'm I'm gonna segue into that context all right uh but let me get to my other special guests we also have uh my partner I consider a friend I consider my OG as well um Professor Melly Mel the hood Postman content creator influencer and also just so overall good guy stand up dude intellectual what's up with you Og man what's good man it's a great thing to be here at the hole in court man first let me say this man the streets ain't made it for everybody that's why they create the sidewalk holding Court Hood Postman you know the vibe oh I'm sitting here with Rachel big court and my God kid yeah I appreciate that we're in Hollywood right yeah yeah let's do this Hollywood thing hey that's what we doing so going back to what producer Ken was saying bro you know you being a Elder Statesman OG Compton OG and we'll get into your story you know I thought it was uh important for me to uh bring my child on because again I had Rachel at 16. you know what I'm saying and I was a young father still a matter of fact when I found out that her mother was pregnant with her I believe I was in jail you know I mean I believe I was in jail so um you know I raised her on you know gangster rap sibo uh Brother Lynch Hung x-rated DJ Quik MCA you name it right and I myself yeah yeah I myself was a gangster rapper so she grew up in the studio with me you know so she grew up around the guns the you know what I'm saying all of that [ __ ] right but so I thought it was important you know because you telling your story and the whole Evolution and we're gonna touch on the generational [ __ ] and all of that so um and you know if she do good today we might see more of it I think she's gonna do well yeah for sure for sure she already had the right just the whole body language and her energy yeah her energy is right yeah when she walked in the room she smiled and agreed to me you know what I mean like you know yeah yeah you know definitely in a young lady's Place yeah for sure for sure she got the good generics you're welcome you're welcome you said that like three times they got it so would you want to say Rachel Renee well I'm happy to be here and thank y'all for the vote of confidence and I'm excited good excited to touch on this and illuminate a lot okay so um let's start with yourself oh gee man you born and raised in Compton California the epicenter for so much culture especially in the hip-hop Community um man where uh what was life like in Compton for you well first we got to go all the way back to the 60s because I was born in 1959 okay and I was born in Compton born and raised in Compton actually I live right next door my first house that I can earliest memory is right next to Enterprise in the backside of Enterprise on aprilo and from there we moved to 135th and Avalon now that's when things change because I I start seeing things that a child necessarily wasn't ready for I'm talking about the riot The Watch Ride The Watch Ride we had uh Montague was saying burn baby burn and now you seeing some things happening that you only saw on a black and white television scream at the time you know war is what I'm saying and uh we saw the military moving pass and people throwing Molly cocktails and people raiding there was a white front store was on fire at a fantastic store so the whole city was on fire and I'm thinking I was about maybe if this happened in 65 I could have been six years old okay yeah oh wow so what kind of what kind of effect did that have on you as a youngster see did you understand what that was all about I didn't understand it it wouldn't be years later that I began to understand it because what happened is now after that after that settled and after everything was died down and we kind of went back to what we were felt like was a normal life was the emergence of the Black Panther Party the US organization the sons of Watts the um the watch festivals so now you get to go hear all these individuals right that was involved in these circumstances now you hear them speak and talk and tell you about this stuff because down on uh I think it's Western Vernon that was a Black Panther Party headquarters where they served the free lunch program and also they did the 10 points and all the free lunch just everything you know so you got to learn right what that really was so that was really inspiring to see those guys wearing them black vests yeah with the Beret and the long gun station right they riding on the side of the Packers like yeah like you know like in broad daylight with these long guns and you looking at this you're like man what right you know I've never seen I didn't know where this came from I didn't fully understand yeah yeah you know but I knew that something needed to change yeah so I mean you being in this at that time I know Compton was predominantly black but there was a Jewish community at what point a big Jewish in Compton as well so on the east side was the Jewish community so at a certain time black people wasn't going across Alameda because if you went across Alameda that was the east side of Compton and then you ran into Linwood a South Gate Downey so on and so forth so the first house that we bought my father and mother purchased my father was a career military man countless of years in the military his whole mind setting was military everything was about the military so when they allowed these uh the black soldiers to first uh initiate this on GI bill right I think that's so they could get property get houses right okay exactly so my father purchased a house 1968 on a street called Spring we were the second black family on that street oh wow so was it um so there was the wine Burgers yeah oh wow there was a Silverstein okay you know yeah there was the coins you know what I mean all these different families you know what I mean we moved right next door to them so let me ask you so this was the 60s right yes where they I'm assuming it was still the thing of redlining right yes yes fresh out of that oh okay but because of the GI High job how were y'all the 1965 bill of rice that changed everything but that don't mean [ __ ] was yeah no they still was playing but what was happening these families a lot of these families beginning we had beginning to start move a white flight yeah they was yeah starting to move out and we started to move in yeah so with this sense of community and unity and this black power movement right where do you think it started going wrong you know where where because I know the with the gang element because I know the the US boys was probably kind of one of the first run cool rain good uh-huh uh malalon and karenga at the time and that's probably one of the strangest things so let me put it like this you had chairman Fred down in Chicago right uh who was running that faction then you had Bunchie Carter yeah here in L.A you had Geronimo Pratt and so many other guys and then you had all the other guys that was in Oakland yeah Huey P Newton yeah and uh was it Bobby Bobby Steele yeah so and then you got to you have the Angela Davis and the Elvis Cleaver right right so when these guys start coming together they what they had was really great but what they didn't understand that these people was really hung on what they were doing and didn't really like what they were doing because it was creating a group of people that could stand on their own support themselves and be accountable to their own community and police their own Community we didn't need the police back I'm telling you I'm seeing these guys riding around and you know they correcting people at you right right they ain't just letting stuff happen they got you getting out getting out their car got you if the police stop you they stop to get out make sure everything was good I observed what was going on right you know I saw this so in 1968 when I heard first heard James Brown Say Say It Loud I'm Black and I'm Proud right do you know what that did for us you know that was profound we had never heard nothing so what James Brown did in one song was probably bigger than the whole civil rights moving all together because this was this was vocal this was like words of powerful manifesting mm-hmm this reality right right because now you got all this is fist pump yeah you got the black you know so so I guess and this is what you're kind of saying is with the fall of the gangster of of the the Black Panthers I guess the neighborhood quote-unquote gangs start trying to step in to fill in that that protection let me give you my perspective my opinion right right you had Larry Hoover Chicago right right you had Jay Edgar Hoover in FBI FBI yeah but people don't know you had Clarence silver in La part of the first Crips um so this is that before is that this is no so what's his face um no so they were all there yeah yeah um Raymond Washington they were all there but Clarence Hoover there was there too so what was his influence because Clarence Hoover would be about 71-72 now okay and he was kin to who what what was his significance from what I get from him he's kin to Larry Hoover ah so but are they both Kinder J Edgar who oh you see because if they got cointel Pro right right who's leading that yeah yeah who are these Asians who are these other people that's yeah helping make this happen okay who's causing the Divide between the US organization yeah and the Black Panthers right so they're not just people just invisible so the US boys which they were called the US boys correct um or so organization yes so they they weren't well no they wouldn't call us more us organization United slaves okay okay so the US boys was was a gang original gang from conference right was like us boys and I think they kind of took that away from the guys United slaves that's what uh stands for with modeling United slaves okay so when did you start seeing the environment change in terms of the emergence of gangs because I know it was in Crips you and Compton Crips is the LA thing when did you start seeing gangs or I would say not just gangs but the emergence of Crips and Pie rules well I use this word to describe it it's like a double entender like the rapper shoes unturned right it has two different meanings it's called Mercurial Mercurial is something that's something unpredictable mine uh mood swing and temperament the temperament of the Crips and bloods is emotions and this Society account on you being emotional because when you're emotional you're reactionary when something becomes reactionary right it's not good exactly it's not well thought out there's no has no reason to it no logic so when you look at that and you understand that these people that was moving on the Domino and you want I'm get back to your question the 19 it was happening about 70 or 71 Harold Examiner pulls out this article Public Enemy Number One Raymond Lee Washington mm-hmm it could have been 72 I don't know I'm not going to differ too much real quick just for the listeners for the people who don't know Raymond Washington is the originator of the Crips it's original yeah along with mad dog and and some others because you put Bobby Louis Bobby Louis was around but uh I don't know if he was in the the formulation of it you know what I mean okay there was other people uh that I Clan caught up in other people that was number one and all these siblings right so it wasn't just Raymond per se right right now whatever happened between him and Craig monster exactly yeah I know that was kind of the the precipice for it yeah yeah so when you get when you look at that and you understand how did all this Common Sense again something something unpredictable mind moves so think about the average gang member with their mindset they very just aggressive and unpredictable you don't know what they're going to do right but yet they also Telegraph so if we're in somewhere and we see one walk in we automatic like you got that aggressive look yeah I'm already prepared I know I'm gonna have to do something right that he ain't ready for I'm gonna introduce him to a whole lot of BS yeah yeah because I'm just saying hey brother how you doing yeah you know G real quick go ahead we've been touching on this all week and I'm sorry I don't mean to divert the no no go ahead by all means that that what you just said right when we when we walk in and we see each other do you think that's reminisce of the Willie Lynch thing the self-hate we deal with each other we touch on that you just brought up something because I want to get it right I want to get away give me a minute here uh the Willie Lynch thing right there's something called meritorious malmunicious I don't know if you're familiar with uh-huh it sounds Latin it's the act of 1710 uh-huh and it reads meritorious ammunitions was a legal act freeing a slave for Good Deeds not it was defined by the national public Merit tourism could be granted to a slave who just who distinguished himself by saying he'll save a white life why property invents something for them to make money off of and and could make a profit and snitch and manufacture anything they see in regards to a rebellion and that's what we see and I wanted to speak on it because when you see the Kyrie Irving in the Kanye West yeah what are the back the big guys over there in the sports world and all these other black athletes you know yeah we ain't got to call them out right but I made that correlation I said they acted 1710 because these are saying this was happened to if you look at what happened in that Turner desolate over Toronto Gabriel processor uh Harriet Tubman it's nothing new Under the Sun brother oh that's real still here yeah we still going to the 17 to act the 17th it was a law uh-huh and it's you don't take my word so look it up so that's on the books right that's on the bus on the books but I'm saying in terms of us the way that we process and make decisions and act toward each other you know what I mean so what you saying that you know we we do you think that's it's not DNA man well that's trauma that's kind of what we've been talking about all week with the systemic problem because it starts trauma man so I reassigned my DNA and I freed myself from ancestral trauma now I'm mastering Soul lessons the way I could cultivate space for the abundance to flow I'm the Abundant I don't see because the only limitations anyone ever have or anyone in this room is the ones you place on yourself right or you allow others to place on you right and we we get caught up in that yeah what are your thoughts Rachel Renee because I know you you know she can expand on that type of thing more than I let's go Rachel he's speaking my language no I love this I'm enjoying this um no I agree just being able to observe it and you know even going back to my childhood with my dad like it was very different you know in Kansas City we didn't have you know the Black Panther Party or any type of I would say Duality as far as like representation so it was especially where we lived on the east side it was just all Hood so you know it goes back to what you just said like this is so ingrained in us and you know as a child out you don't really understand the gravity of it until you get older and then you realize like wow this is why we are still in the state that we're in and you know just referencing like you said going back to the Kyrie Irving and Kanye West situation like we don't get on cold the same way you know no we don't we don't because it we as we've been you know so stricken with fear and you know it shows up today because it is it is a generational trauma it is ingrained in our DNA you know you from your father you learn your lessons from your father you got your DNA from your mother you know your mother is witnessing this you know she feels disempowered the black man feels disempowered and this now becomes a culture and this is why we say crabs in a barrel you know so um no I agree with everything you said and I feel like now with social media and you know the old heads oh geez you know now coming back around and saying hey like you said like there's no you know this a guy once told me another old head said don't ever let anybody put any limitation on your demonstration because you are Your Own Worst Enemy you know and I feel like we just as a people have to get out of our own way and use media now to empower one another and educate one another like I didn't know about that 17 10 act but you see it yeah look it up yeah so the culture conditioning that we've been subjected to has three ends underestimate undervalue and undermine marginalized I'm sorry marginalized so it's up to us ogs and also your generation to take up the flight the fight the responsibility of teaching cultural responsibility and culture competence see because when you implement that you're now you're educating the people because our people suffer from information malnutrition that information poor that's the problem because if you look at the music the music that we listen to the drill music it's nihilistic it has a nihilistic it's uncertain it's it's dark it's deaf so how do we overruled it how do we get past that we gotta we can't only keep on allowing this to be the driving force yes now I'm gonna come back to court when he talked about how to hip-hop I think that the game culture gangs gang culture gangster rap because think about why didn't we why didn't we why Langston Hughes and uh James Baldwin and Jordan Hurston and and um countless of others Dewberry and walcock and all yeah all these individuals that was part of this Renaissance right why aren't they the heroes why aren't they why are we worshiping we we take dummies and make them Superstars yes yeah yeah why we do that when we already have the superstars yeah because the writings are there their literature is there their books are there the Octavia Butlers because Nikki Giovanni's yeah see the literature is there and people get people get like tripping up when I get to spin like because they know I'm they know where I'm from yeah from but they don't like when I start speaking like in the terms of this trying to understand this thing we're in right right it is different so let me so what you saying that though uh melee being that where you're from Compton California is the epicenter of gangster rap you know what I mean it's the epicenter of it right so so when you talk about the easy ease the Dr Dre's the Suge Knights the cmws MCAS the Tidy T's the king T's and the list goes on you know what I'm saying um um why do you think they went that route why do you think that easy was was was was smart enough or you know had the foresight to say you know what there's a market for this people want to hear this [ __ ] I don't think people I'm gonna start a shook for a minute people don't get give Shug his really how smart it was for him for sure those individuals together the way he did for sure now he wrecked it himself yeah but for him to come put see because anybody can put up money yeah and just say hey go ahead take care of the business right but how does it get done exactly the execution yeah the execution so when you talk about the easy ease and the doctor trays so here's what they did gangster rap right yeah now you got this cultural gangs right we looking at them seeing everything they do hey let's put this in our Rhymes unless right you know we Studio we ain't really about that let me ask you now let me push back a little bit okay e was from it was hard even from where it's from he used to come by his work for my homeboy Turtle Kenny Wayne Johnston are we gonna get the turtle no you know I'm gonna talk about Turtle now you know what I'm saying but but Eve from neighborhood it was neighborhood back then yes but Kelly Park no Kelly Park neighborhood Compton in Hood Melania Drive okay all share one neighborhood even that in his day yes you had the Atlanta drives and Kelly parks and neighborhoods okay and then across from there was the south side right did you did you know e yes okay I was there when he came here because if you go back and look at the movie A lot of people don't pay go back and look at the movie you're gonna see on the wall SBC Santana block yeah yeah so what they were alluding to is that he was in a Santana block drug house on drugs ah okay let's go look at sin you'll see it so what was he like did you did you have a person I didn't really have a personal relationship I just saw him he was just at that time just an individual coming and put his money on get his work and go do it I'm curious what was he buying back then four and a half what nine you know what he was like most everybody else man if you had just a little bit of intellect yeah you can just stretch some little [ __ ] just come up you know I mean you knew to turn four into eight or nine yeah then half yeah to a hole you know yeah it was pretty simple okay yeah the clientele was there because remember that's part of my you know yeah Professor belly man hell yeah we're gonna get today every time I feel like dope we gonna get to that we're gonna get to that so so when you start seeing so excuse me had your had your your street career started at the time that NWA merges with their music were you already off the porch with Santana block oh yeah I was off the porch in 72. okay Stanley Tookie Williams all right there my first discipline or or how would we say hold in court yeah yeah yeah was through Stanley Tookie Williams He that's right directed me on I forgot I forgot you ran with we took it yeah he corrected me you know what I mean based on because what I thought cripping was or was supposed to be he stopped me and said no it's not that yeah I actually saw somebody and it was a woman you know with some dudes and she the only one had the thing on the red bandana and I grabbed it off of her threw it on the ground and he made me pick it up and this had to be around 74-75 yeah when that first start happened yeah you know but yeah so 72 they got kicked out of factory Brookins was out there in banned in California so my OG which is Donald Duck knowing where Chester Norwood they were in the boys home the red house you know before the red house okay out in Factor Brook is Banning California with Bob Simmons Ho Chi Kochi or whatever his name was and uh baby boy they were out there running it yeah and uh didn't mean to mess your name of OG but um so they moved they got kicked out of banning and they uh moved them on Pine in Santa Fe which made it perfect because Donald Duck Norwood and Chester Norwood was Hercules they lived on Willow which is around the corner so you had the Red House Oaks Park and then from behind there you have Santa Fe Willow mcdary Spring pack and so on and so forth so those are the blocks that surrounded all that so you got Stanley Tookie Williams you got uh what was Tookie really like I mean you hear all the stories even iced tea and told a story about Tucky Tucky was like real um passionate about what the Crips were and what they weren't he was like if you was a buster you couldn't be around if you didn't go through the to the test or being part of that whatever that system was you know what I mean you have to you know show them hands or run down the line or if you if you ain't done none of that you had no business being around right you know mm-hmm you wasn't you wasn't so with with his situation right I mean it's well documented you know he was convicted of uh allegedly robbing the hotel and killing was it three or four people or whatever with the shotgun um from what you know I mean we know he's executed now rest in peace to Tookie Williams do you know do you think he was really guilty of that because you hear different things it's hard to say because I wasn't there don't really know you know I mean but I know the individuals that was there with him they were so quick to point fingers here so if you got the name and you're the most likely yeah who they gonna focus on right wouldn't it be easy for us to just pour on you yeah yeah if we scared and nervous don't know what to do never been under this situation right let's put it on Tookie did he have he had co-defendants in there yeah okay yeah they all rest in peace now oh okay did they get did they go to jail too or just him uh I don't know if they went to jail or not I don't yeah if they did they didn't get nowhere near what he got yeah yeah so if you is co-defendant so now say for instance you and I can and Rachel we all on a mission racial driver me you and Ken initiating just because she the driver she don't get less time no that's real she get the same thing we all we all in this together so how did those other guys get less yeah yeah she understand yeah they told it but then I know it was rumored that turkey had a um he used to hit that that angel dust you know what I mean yeah but because he thought in his mind he thought it made him stronger and made him yeah because they said he used to do that [ __ ] before he worked out he would hit the dust and beyond that man had so many weights I've never seen so many ways that was part of his yeah you know whether it was tiny man um let's see shotgun uh weasel little cross uh pretty [ __ ] which was Guy Walker uh killer Carl those are some of the individuals that lived there you think who was who was bigger was it turkey or Craig Munson now I think Craig was bigger than turkey huh I think maybe maybe more defined yeah hickey was a huge dude yeah who you think who you think had better hands Craig or uh Tookie Craig I don't know about Craig because I've been I've been in the spot with Chris yeah and I seen Craig but Craig was kind of soft yeah yeah you know it's like what's going on with him yeah Craig was it was a Savage though but he he had a soft tone to him it's like something going on in there I'll be yeah Craig's still alive though right he's still alive yeah I heard the same [ __ ] but we gonna move on hey come on Chris OG being politically correct you know it's a little softer yeah just a little something there man some extra stuff maybe he was using a little [ __ ] a little estrogen just a little bit just a little bit hey so um shout out to Craig yeah shout out to the OG um so uh that's funny so you being from Santana block Santana Black [ __ ] right um home to the notorious Turtle right yeah um um turtle was a very um charismatic dude first time I seen him was on the BBC thing so how did it feel well tell the story because you're from Santana Black crib the BBC and a production company a production company from the BBC came over to do a documentary on gangs [Music] the black gangs divide into two warring Clans the Crips and the Bloods or Pirus the leader of the Santana block Crips is 24 a drug Peddler he's been a gang member since he was 14. Kenneth Johnson known as turtle and this was like 80 what 88. yes he was in there yeah I was in there so 1984 right Olympics right Coliseum right so the media once again the media went on went out on the limb and said hey we have been holding these Summer Olympics in Los Angeles but Los Angeles have a huge gang problem are Olympians safe now okay whoa what's going on are they really safe yeah so the BDC said okay let's go find out up there say so when they get here they contact OSS Operation Safe Street um guy named Gary she used to call him goofy because he looked like goofy off of Disneyland characters but anyway they contact they this is a question you go look at the documentary itself don't take my word for it go look at it for you he they asked him specifically what gang did he felt like polls the biggest threat for whatever reason he said the Santana block he said it was more ruthless most dangerous and all this stuff whatever he said right or maybe I'm ad-living a little bit but go look at it you'll see exactly what he said so they said fine this guy's name John or whatever his name was from BBC so showing up they pull us up this guy from Britain he don't have no clue where he's doing but he gets out the car when he tells him and he walks say hello mate yeah what's going on yeah who is this you know you know by the way I'm John I like pleased to me I'm looking for turtle who is Turtle so turtle's sitting right here I'm sitting right here the other twins yeah rap and and mondo and you know rat buses Pistol Pete with y'all Pete was there was there so you know Gertie Montana yeah sup my enormous amount of people right so turtle look at him like Hey I'm Turtle yeah yeah well I Turtle sound country like that because he was from the country okay he was from Texas okay Louisiana Texas to California okay okay so uh so the guy said yeah I I want to know Turtle I want to know about you I want to meet this this culture I want to you know this is how this guy talking so I want to say well we don't do that for free [Laughter] yeah yeah and uh the guys looked at himself oh no we we're we're gonna take care of you Turtle no no no no no it was just worse yeah so everything gets worked out right and uh so now we put the guy in the cars me turtle and my homie raw dog we in the rag city yeah yeah the drop top yeah and then ride we take him to the skating rink Skate Depot yeah and uh the guy is fascinated by all this stuff right yeah we take him to Florence and Main the street race in all this stuff right so we taking back to the house man we show him every gun we have we we so young I seen the video you in there y'all got the tree just a [ __ ] turtle was like he was like I can take out all looters park with this you better watch out there's an M1 carbine 32 rounds I Can Go tab Lewis park with this I can kill about 32 people if I hit them all yes indeed this is the same thing I owned two of these yeah and he had the shotgun yeah so it won't car be my passage someone a little pistol whatever but anyway so this is how crazy this was man years later I'm looking at it now like damn man that was on some social media [ __ ] you know I was just like the [ __ ] today some social media yeah exactly so um so he he's asking us all this stuff so finally say um at some character what do you think about the Olympics what do you guys what impact you might have on the Olympics look at him Olympics would care about Noah we care about this dope yeah we don't care about Carl Lewis Michael Johnson or none of them people yeah yeah we all had no what what kind of so what kind of person was Turtle bro turtle was a really really uh just a really really good person um Fortune 500 thinker built the economy in their built the economies in other neighborhoods and surrounding neighborhoods Bridge those gaps built reached out to Randy mcquila was a power rule Anthony accident power rule stutter box Pyro built relationships with them they getting money we getting money so now you know all the all the money guys that are in in cahoots together yeah it's the guys that's down the lower ladder they they still on the [ __ ] yeah yeah because now you got you got all this money you thinking about you making uh 30 000 in one day in the house you know then you make it 30 40 000 the next day yeah yeah in these spots and you got multiple spots hell yeah you're probably already start to shift a little bit yeah yeah yeah so now you know you start seeing things in terms yeah a little bit different yeah is it true is it true that he used to have Pistol Pete because that was y'all Hispanic homeboy is it true that he used to take him the cop because he spoke Spanish so he can understand what the Mexicans yeah that that that's also that's true but you know other homies have used because we got multiple homies that speaks Spanish you know and uh yeah that's true yeah yeah okay what um so you can lay them in the cut man and you know nobody knows that yeah we know everything they just said whether they think we know or not we know yeah yeah how I mean because you know I've gotten to know know you um how when you were did you get put on Santana like you actually had to record it in or you just grew up being that I grew up with Robert Thomas Tucky uh Gary Miller the governor snake of chili pimp that's a code name right there right yeah to repair uh big Royce God JD Darnell uh Glenn and just in another host of others Tommy but anyway so when they was putting it together I was there so I saw all them run through the line and go through that stuff so me and the younger homies we did our own little uh thing you know what I mean so that's how me tigers cleared the midnights the bruises Wayne hollyfield killer Raider you know we had all boo-boo Yogi so we had would you would you consider your gang bang career to be more that you were more of a hustler and less of a gang banger or I I'm more of intelligence I was more on looking at how can we improve it how can we make it better because I was a individual that Turtle would talk to more in my homie uh Mondo as well yeah yeah so I was because if you go look at the Reggie White interview yeah no but I was going to bring up Reggie senior yeah absolutely that was going to be my next question yeah so talk about Reggie Wright Senior and was Blondie around at that time all them was around yeah so so Reggie Wright Senior um what was his you know because he did he said that you were the smart one he said that you was never kind of like the Loose Cannon one you know what I mean was how was his policing back then what was his policing was fair if if this is Affair so my theory on police right is that they say all cops are not bad right there's some good cops but two of the good cops become anti-bad cops and all cops are the same to me to me it's just no good and bad you can't have good and bad in the same thing to be talking about all the apples are good no I see some bad ones too mm-hmm so but anyway Reggie was uh fair and he I think Reggie just more or less knew certain he he set himself up to where he could talk to individuals right first right community policing yeah Community Police right so he talked to some of the the toughest and baddest dudes in the city of cops yeah and he built a report yeah see because building Rapport exactly that's that commonality yeah for sure and once you get the commonality you're mirror and Matt exactly exactly well so excuse me you know we had uh mob James on the show too yeah who's a homeboy too I consider my uh OG um being that he was from the other side you know was was mob James a prize back in the day oh heck yeah his name was always out there yeah it's just that um when this money thing got to circulate so much so so a lot of people that was really about that life kind of you know then the younger homies took up that so you know so it might have skipped over him but Mama tell yourself man he came when they came and bust on us yeah or they can make it back good yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a beautiful thing though that a lot of the homies that was probably from different sides you know a lot of the double OG's you know triple ogs that everybody that made it that's still living right have been able to like man what's up we was crazy back then you know what I'm saying oh man where if y'all would have met each other 30 years ago oh it was up you know I mean it was going to go there you know um how did the streets change how did they get more um vicious when the when the crack came so did you see a difference when when the money came and the crack came did it get more yeah the money the money allowed you more access and it gets you to go in different places that you weren't going before you know we was going in the Reseda to the skate now before we were just going to to uh Skate Depot now we haven't received it we in Hollywood we in everywhere you know and uh because we want everybody to see us and fill us at the same time you know I've I've been one time we pulled up in the seat of man we about 50d the whole skating ring froze we wanted to have we wanted to give them the tookie effect because Tookie used to come in the form and he used to call it breaking out and pull off his and walk around in a whole Forum the performers on the stage everybody just stopped yeah let's see was it gonna be okay to continue to whatever they was doing that's just how funny that was when I think about it did Tookie keep a bottle of uh baby oil with him because I swear every picture every picture that I see him turkey so he had the intimidation Factor you're going well he projected that really well yeah so when the crack when the crack area hits um I'm assuming it probably hits your family as well um and you start making money let me ask you just on some hood [ __ ] at your height you know because I know you was a you know you was a good Hustler what what you think you was making back then you know what I never even thought about that but I would I wouldn't even put a number on it because there was so much money wasted so much money that came in and out and you know so much money that you didn't realize you know yeah how to use it how to invest it right the value of it and then you also thought it was gonna never stop exactly exactly that was the problem did you go OT with your [ __ ] no I didn't know about the oil tea I was let me say this I made myself very valuable to a lot of different people because I knew how to to make it more okay your cook game was was good yes it's a good game yeah yeah Turtle mondo uh Pat um Cedric McGill a guy I can't pluck just enumerous of guys and I don't want to say all their names yeah yeah I mean but yeah yeah back then let me take a guess this is way before my time but what maybe 10 12 5 back then first one I ever saw the first numbers I saw 52. 52 for one really that's almost a hundred dollars a grand oh [ __ ] 300 for three and a half three grams yeah 700 for Seven Grand but it was taking a one to a one and a half depending on who you got it from right right wow 50 [ __ ] okay damn so that all that other stuff didn't come around it too after and then you gotta understand this we never caught it cracked the media called it right right but y'all was getting it soft and and cooking right right who introduced y'all or LA to the cooking uh I know who introduced me and I got a photographic memory was I saw it one time yeah okay get that by the same thing with the water game right that's all people exactly exactly but anyway I never tried it but I knew what it what the steps were yeah so I heard okay yeah but yeah allegedly um shout out to young man um so so with were you in the game the same time that freeway and like 2D Reese and all them people all these people was in the game at the same time and you so you imagine if they was having millions over there they having millions over here Millions over there millions of Long Beach cars in L.A gardenia that was a lot of money it was bruh yeah that was a lot of money and that's a lot of Destruction but see that and this is I compared I'm gonna make this distinction right now because this is a perfect segue the internet right and YouTube Right remind me of the crack game of the cocaine game you know why because there was dudes that had dope that was better than everybody my dope better than all three y'all instead of all three you guys getting together saying hey man will you get your stuff y'all get mad at me and start hating on me yeah and that's the same thing I see happening on here but instead of coming to me and say you know big Court I see you doing some amazing things on me brother I appreciate you give me a point or give me you know give me drop a couple of gems to where I appreciate it you know real [ __ ] but yeah no no no no man yeah I don't like that I don't like that though man that [ __ ] over there you know yeah yeah that same mentality yeah yeah no that's that's real so you had so you had a good run in the game but at some point you get jammed up I got jammed I didn't get jammed up until 2001. what was the situation now me and you talked about it but I'm saying for the listeners what was the situation you getting jammed up ah a homie gangster shout out to baby gangster he met this guy I think his name was Taylor Taylor Maine another guy name was uh I'm not gonna say his name because he's from Compton and he'll probably have problems well they know who he is but anyway um mm-hmm he said she said Gia did a control bar with the Feds Watching so he's G sold him one and once he sold him and won and the fish was able to take that back to the judge Stephen B Wilson to show these guys are doing this and this and explaining it to him this is why we need this wiretap and so on and so forth so the wiretap upper David was given mm-hmm so once they did that they started following us around so I'm coming off the 210 one day got merges to the 605 and when I hit this if you know anything about that they come together like right so when I look to the right there's this lady this is white lady this white man and they kind of like simultaneous right there with me and I looked at them they looked at me and something in my we whatever transferred right there I said yeah that was some weird stuff right yeah something going on with them so that was the first time the second time I had me some high power binoculars and I'm looking at the binoculars I'm just looking down the street and right when I get adjusted I see somebody duck damn because he had binoculars okay he realized that I'm looking here damn what was that yeah so that's when I said oh [ __ ] so this guy we used to have clean up the yard he came he said hey Mel said what's up Joe he said hey man look man um I ain't gonna be coming around here no more I said why what's going on Joe we need you to take care of the dogs and clean up your yard say look up there on that pole right there look I said what's up there Joe he says a camera I said get out of here Joe he said oh no it's a camera up there um so I have remembered that uh it was a guy from the cable company working on the pole and I even suppose hey man don't be up there cutting nobody cable off he said no no I'm cutting cable on mm-hmm said okay and Joe said that was the guy he put the camera up there damn and it was directed towards the property on Tucker was that your house or one of your spots that was gangster's house okay yeah that's where we you know kept all the low riders and all the cars and all the stuff so that wasn't a stash spot or no no no okay but it was a house that we operated okay we did multiple teams out of there oh I see yeah yeah so when they eventually got you I mean what was what what happened they he come up missing the day before against it so Mama Helen which is gonna she come around said Melody you seen Freddy I said nah but you know him he'll show up at some point she said nah but he ain't answer this phone he was yeah I said yeah that is kind of strange so I don't think none of it so I think oh he probably you know at the strip club or whatever so I leave go home when I go home right across the street from I lived there was a sheriff car that sat there all night and I thought that was strange so that morning about which I don't think they was prepared for me I got up because even in the uh the paperwork that they gave us the affidavit and the indictment they said that they had to be careful with me because I was always doing counter surveillance well yeah I was always looking for who watching yeah yeah and uh I got up like three o'clock in the morning it came out and when I came out my driveway right where this car was sitting I couldn't see in it and I'm thinking like that ain't no car supposed to be sitting right there what is who was that right there so showing up I took off hit the first corner and the car started up and lights come on they let me drive about a mile and they follow and pull me over and uh they introduced themselves it was real manageable man yeah mannerable yeah yeah oh damn so they got you with what you get slapped with what conspiracy I got conspiracy I've got uh I always like to say they got me out because I ran a pharmaceutical I just didn't have a license okay so they never got anything from you of main assault it was just no so what they got from me what they did have on me there was a guy his name was uh let me say his name Marcus Collins um and uh he owned a car lot across the street from the gas company on Long Beach Boulevard and he actually came and did a control buy with me because of my uncle my kids well actually my kids my ex's uncle and my kids are so I knew him so he came with him and that's how he got to me wow so he was bad yes damn he wore a wire in the camera oh [ __ ] how much was the control by uh for nine damn but I but what I did I felt some type of way yeah and I shorten you don't matter what you sure what a couple grams like no no no shorter than three oh okay oh okay yeah so so when it's still hard though right yes when he took it when he took it uh-huh and he never called back yeah yeah he was like yeah because I really still was tested you know but lucky I did that mm-hmm had I did the nine I would wind up with a with a uh attending life 20 to life versus tender life so I fell in right at the guidelines on uh because it wind up I forget how many grams but anyway it it wound up putting me in a category what was it uh I can't remember the category 30. okay category 30 and then on the god Elijah put me in six of four four five six yeah which gave me 151 months okay so the 100 which is what 12 years 12 years okay and that's fair time yeah so you had to do 85 of that yes but what happened uh during this time I think it was fin Finn and a couple of other laws that went through that was challenging the disparity between the racial yeah for sure and Obama did that thing so yeah I was able to get back in court you know lower down I actually did almost ten nine something something yeah and I came home okay was that your first time having to really do time do hard time yeah I mean yeah because all the other times was like uh County lead or yeah and then I had 18 months one time yeah yeah so so when you knew you or a year of violation when you knew you had to do this stretch for this for this decade damn near what was going through your mind bro like when you knew you had to do that and I was devastated bro I had a job I had kids I had because I ain't never just wanted to be out there like just sitting all day like just having all this money and mm-hmm and looking kind of crazy right right because you got to be able to justify something yeah at least get up in the morning and pretend like you're going to work right right you know so yeah yeah so where'd you do your time at Terminal Island the whole time so I went okay I went I went to the beach every day yeah oh sure there was at Terminal Island you had mostly guys that were there for uh fraud and bank robbery and stuff like that okay so they used to do these little tours right and they come by on the boats and they say this is federal prison terminal Island most of the inmates in there for tax evasion fraud and so on and so forth but the inmates allowed to participate in all sports except for pole vaulting and swimming dang all the guys just get mad help you do you know so what what made them send you there and not some you know like you know some some Gladiator [ __ ] uh because I wouldn't I wasn't a hard person okay I'll be the first to say I'm always figuring out a way huh yeah I'm gonna be the clerk you know I'll be you know I'm gonna have the easy plus job you know I'm beyond it how did you do your time easy um I was like again I was a clerk in unicorn um I did the religion thing you know to keep me occupied I did the yoga thing I took cooling yoga and hey they got yoga in prison oh man these [ __ ] in there yeah they committed these crimes all that man come on so how is your downward dog man It Ain't So Good these days but yeah but yeah I'm in there doing yoga yeah that's good so Mom I mean my mind and my heart was open to newer things yeah because I can't come out of here the same person so yeah so where did your enlightened Enlightenment come in like where did where did you the enlightenment was there was some just enormous amount of rich girl I was there with the guy named Philip zangy he owned Indian motorcycle Philip say Melly male telling you where you want to go today I said man take me to Germany Beatrice we'll go to beaches today in Germany and you start talking Germany and he'll take me around the world in the stories and stuff you know we used to call about it he'd walk around with his alligator shoes on and all this stuff yeah man yeah really good guy then you had uh Mr pickerella he was a the guy the real guy from the casino mom thing the movie Casino the real one okay so and then you had damn he's still locked up no he's out he probably passed away but he was locked up still being from the 70s yes [ __ ] yeah and then you had uh began a couple gambinos there and you know a couple of Italian weird funny thing man I seen this dude disrespected one of them died them old men it was about nine of them came together like they were still you know and they would have been the whole compound had to stop and pause and see where these old men was going once they found out what happened they would kill took care of the business man we can't let these old guys this dude don't disrespect you yes old gangster yeah but they still have to they was about to run oh yeah they still have the mentality you know they wouldn't let go yeah yeah you know when it came to they respect they wanted it so when you when you finally get paroled bro and you come home what was the first thing that you that you did the first thing I did was got out and uh wife picked me up took me to we had to go to she needed some gas in the car real quick your wife stayed down with you the whole no right that's the second wife the first wife okay took some money and sister was dude she was gone okay so you got married while you was locked up well I was married before and then when I got out I got I got you so okay I'll just go you know why okay but anyway so she picked me up and she she said put some gas in the car so I get out so I'm standing there because Ronnie's been almost 10 years right and she said what's wrong I I said I don't know what to do I had begotten yeah yeah because yeah that showed you how technology is changed yeah yeah you know I was just pick the thing up and yeah it was not no more damn because she handed me a card the card yeah yeah yeah you didn't know none of that [ __ ] you was used to let me go in put that give me 10 right yeah yeah so things have changed so and then she gave me a phone it was a Blackberry I never had a black one that [ __ ] you because it was flip phones yeah so when did you take the the plunge to start getting into creating content and and like I say I I command you because it's like you you know you are historian you know what I mean well versed in so many things but primarily Compton you know uh Hood history you know so is was that the the motivation for you to get into creating content to be able to tell motivation was one of uh Kev Max cousin um Charlotte and Lawrence Reed was one of my co-defendants he was in there with me so Lawrence would start telling me about Kev man he said yeah man Kev man coming out with this magazine it's gonna be called our Hood he want to know what you do something in the for the article based on your neighbor I said yeah sure so I got my homeboy little shout out to little man Johnny Newman one of my close homeboys uh we got in we start writing you know Little's a very creative writer and and I had all the information you know and we got in there and we put it together we sent it to him and he published it Gangster gave his part of course and uh we put together instead of the cabin he published it so when I got out Kev mad I met Kev mag and then he gave me some magazines and I sold the first magazines and the second batch I just gave them to my homeboys I said well I just don't care man yeah yeah you know because everybody wanted the neighborhood because now they're reading their history versus what they thought it was now they know what it is you know so yeah so uh care Matt called me one day he said hey Mel you think you're gonna uh get gangster to do an interview I said yeah sure he said I need all of you you gangster and uh both of y'all y'all can come in any anybody else want him we we want to get y'all because now I'm videoing so this happened to be about I guess about maybe 14 15 2015 so that's how that got started so once kid Man Came then he interviewed me I just liked it the way that fear failed you know what I mean I just enjoy it I said man so I hung out with Kev man I'm not telling anybody before you get into anything you need to learn what it is that you're doing or how to do it and how to perfect it absolutely so I work with Kev Mac like two years I would pick him up and he would come to town I'll pick him up carry them and I would get these interviews and he would interview we would interview him and yeah we'd bring s Mac alone right and it worked out really well yeah that's where I first came uh came across you and I was like damn I was like damn this dude know everybody is there a [ __ ] Compton you don't know probably not I was like damn this [ __ ] know everybody and it was like it's like everybody defers to you for the for the right information for the truth you know um because I'm I'm I'm I'm about to see people don't know man that certain thing is A well-dressed lie yeah and people fall for the well-dressed lie I'm the Naked Truth see yeah how do you go about I mean because I mean you you know you've been around but you know you ain't been a part of every situation how do you how are you able to vet a lot of the [ __ ] because people will rewrite history you know what I mean so what should I do what's your process to really get into the truth really getting to the truth is knowing the individuals that created the truth I know them I know if they were you know about that life are they just by talking to them you know there's certain things I'm gonna hear from them that I'm like oh man this dude right here have you ruffled some feathers uh of course yeah we did man care back did an interview with a guy he was one of the original us boys running to us boys right yeah and uh we interviewed the Magic Johnson part off of El Segundo and uh El Segundo and Avalon between Avalon and Central and unknown to us he's sitting up there with a pistol yeah so while we interviewing the sheriffs having to drive up you know how to shares is yeah Hood they drive up in the grass they don't care yeah you know it's the hood we can do this and they passing by and he said hey if we said hey well man they go to shares dudes hey man what they doing man we like what's wrong man oh man I got a bill store on me he said man just be cool man don't you know don't get to acting weird man yeah yeah they're gonna come over here yeah so sure no they going by this business man we fell out loud let's do it at this pistol man he got all nervous and stuff so do what what so usually how do you how do you attack correcting people or challenging people's memory of [ __ ] you know what I'm saying like do you try to do it diplomatically or do you just just straight out just look my [ __ ] that you you full of [ __ ] I don't do that on on camera okay it's not good to do that on camera so there's some things that of course Kev know this we just edit it out if it wasn't no good you just edit it out you know and well I'm saying when people try to talk about it when they try no when they try to rebuttal you so if you put some content out and then somebody else puts the content out saying nah Mally don't know what he talking about this then I did this ain't got that you know what I mean but that's I had a phone call right guy called me he said hey Mel I heard you said this and says I said oh yeah what'd you hear it from uh such and such I say well tell me what do you know what did you hear yeah I said because you telling me what somebody else said if you can't tell me what you know and what you heard then that you don't know why that individual told you that yeah and you got to check that and I never heard back from you oh okay so I guess he wouldn't listen to it for himself and then he realized that whatever dude Tony wasn't accurate yeah I got you so what what do you think what what are the the pros and cons of being a content creator especially with with Street [ __ ] you know do you because because you have to exercise a level of um I mean integrity and then also caution because you are talking about Street [ __ ] this is what I do I tell them listen man I'm not in the streets no more I'm not doing this I said I'm I like this journalistic thing and I'm trying to apply these German artistic techniques to to get to the truth now I I I fall in the lines of stuff that's already been published something is already adjudicated right things of that nature I'm not looking for you to tell me about where all the bodies is at right I don't even know that right right see because here's a problem in our community we're the only people that celebrate our Killers why yeah yeah The Killers Don't Want to Be think about all he do is he came home after doing 30 and 40 years yeah real [ __ ] they ain't trying to they're trying to keep them doors shut down trying to get on nobody's camera but these dudes want to celebrate them they don't want to be celebrated yeah let them go live a life quit trying to push him up there they don't want to be up there yeah let me ask you this um because even with myself I mean some of our content can get into that as well but do you find it difficult sometime to like so it's content and it's entertainment but then us coming from the street we kind of know a certain [ __ ] you probably just shouldn't talk about and I'm not just talking about killings or [ __ ] that you know but just certain things ain't for public consumption because like with clubhouse right you get on clubhouse man listen that's a Wilder stuff that's just they just police ain't got to do [ __ ] I'm glad police ain't got to do [ __ ] I'm glad I saw Jay Prince Jr get on the clubhouse with Joe Budden right I I took clips of it and I used it in one of my reactions right and uh he's having a back and forth with you but he don't know dude you talking about you about their life and you're talking about this mob ties the real mob never said they were the mob exactly exactly they'll tell you there's no such thing as the mind yeah exactly but you're getting on it's all about mob ties yeah dude Joe Budden is a seasoned dude right he said he just there listening but you keep trying to get him to say something that he don't want to say right he don't want to ask you no questions about none of this stuff but you keep on trying to yeah poke at it yeah so but I thought that was just real man I didn't I didn't know where he was going I'm like Jay Prince get your son yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he he yeah and you talking about the old man yeah yeah shout out to Jay Prince but your sons they lived in a gated community and went to private school they're not about that life yeah yeah you know what and you know we can go to that I mean rest in peace to take off and that whole situation bro is you know I've been catching a little bit just a little bit of flag because obviously J Prince senior is a friend of the show he's been on the show I consider him a friend oh gee I don't change yeah real [ __ ] real [ __ ] and so uh because I've been telling people you know for whatever reason this situation would take off and I don't want to speculate you know and we don't we just you know it's all internet rumor of what could happen and all that [ __ ] I don't want to get into that but you know it's like they persecuting Jay Prince senior for something his son could have you know allegedly just mishandled or whatever the case may be and like I like to say like I have a grown child right she growing and [ __ ] if she go off and do some [ __ ] [ __ ] or some you know what I especially if I'm not there you know what I mean like how does that fall on me you know what I mean so I think that it's unfair how they doing oh man you may not want it to fall on you but it do fall out no it don't listen Jeffrey Dahmer and Jeffrey Dahmer and goddamn Charles Mason wait John Wayne Gacy all them [ __ ] have parents all them [ __ ] had Parents you know what I'm saying but it's only our people that's my point is that the disparaging and the degradation yeah yeah go for my people because we're the only people that settle that that celebrate our detriment yeah no that's my age yeah and we party you know like like Kevin Gates said [ __ ] black lives matter to who you know what I'm saying [ __ ] he said he said on social media you know who tearing me down niggles you know what's worse than a [ __ ] what's worse than a [ __ ] two niggles [Laughter] but you right though bro I I hate to see that too because think about it we are the only culture to use social media to tear each other down we love let's say press they go on clubhouse right yeah whack 100 right I'ma say his name he's on there saying that Jay Prince is a Fed at all this and then he got all these people listening to that yeah and agreeing with him yeah and they're not putting anything up that's solid solid solid concrete none of that oh talk that's what I'm saying social media and I they just recently did something with Jeezy saying that too right and I don't know but I just feel like that [ __ ] is irresponsible you know what I'm saying that that [ __ ] I mean I wouldn't be I wouldn't be shocked in the near future if [ __ ] start suing [ __ ] you know what I'm saying for defamation and spreading lies and different things like that let's go all the way back hip-hop right hip-hop use gang culture as his backdrop somewhere along the line we dropped the ball because now Hip Hop instead of gang culture giving them the the dialogue to which they can wrap these stories about now they want to get involved and create be a part of the creative side right now the the rappers are gang banging right right so when you see the bow wows the shoulder boys and and the babies and the Lil Wayne's all these dudes since all this stuff they are not that no that's real it's just marketing for them yeah let me ask you making money let me ask you Rachel Renee I would call her monkey we call her monkey butt um I raised you on gangster rap you know I mean and I'd expose you to a lot of the street [ __ ] I mean what made you go a different route you know what I mean and make different choices well and it's it's a lot and you you said a lot earlier but when I was younger and I don't know if you remember but even when like even if it was selling drugs or anything that was going on you specifically and my mama too like you intellectualized what was going on for me and even as a kid I understood that it was a means to an end and you know you would even talk about like okay you know this is especially once we moved to California like I'm doing this or I've made certain decisions to put us in a better position so you don't have to do it and you can use me as a foundation to go off of and you know going back to what we were talking about as far as like us standing on each other I think it just as a woman and this is just me observant like with Gangsta culture and gangsta rap like even when I was young I knew it was entertainment you know my dad because I used to I was in the studio with him like he would be writing his raps he's like what you think it is and you know we you like what you think of this video does that sound right but you always let me know that it was entertainment you know and that's that was my in side to it but I still understand from a marketing perspective and on a subconscious level that music media it is a huge influence you know it it controls the subconscious mind on a grand scheme because that's what it's made to do and you would always tell me yeah yeah exactly exactly I'm drunk that's why the club has a certain atmosphere that's why you know certain music it emits a certain feeling in you because even like when I'm working on something or if I'm working on my business like yeah I'll turn on 90s rap because it makes me feel a certain way I'm like yeah man I can do get out here do whatever you know but I understand the effects that it still possibly could have had but you just made it more so of a business to me but you know everybody doesn't have a father everybody doesn't have that example and I feel like now just you know as a woman observing the culture I feel like you know when we came out of slavery it was such a focus on education and elevating out of that you know and I feel like it was so a grotesque just the conditions like you had lunches you had the Fugitive Slave back you still had a lot going on toward black people maybe had to band together a little bit more so then now once you have crackhead you got gangster rap I feel like that was the black man's way of asserting his masculinity masculinity because that's what you saw the dope boys the gangsters those were the people that had the power had the influence you know but it was just you would always tell me like maybe it's a war outside and the war wasn't just physical it's mental as well it's more mental than anything and I was able to understand that and then remember because we moved to Brentwood like we literally went from the east side of Kansas City to Brentwood California and it was a culture shot yeah I didn't understand like I went I almost got in trouble because I got us in trouble because I went to school and I was talking about yeah like we shoot guns and you know I got AR-15 and this and it's not because it was normal in Kansas City but you know that's when I really realized I said wait like there is a high level of dysfunction and then even now is grown adult you know when I listened and I and I love it I know I love gangster rap I love I mean the the most the most base nature of gangster rap I love it but I can understand now I can look at it with a clear view and say okay you know I know when to pull it back I know when this is kind of disturbing my spirit I know when this is invoking a certain feeling in me you know so let me ask you a question yes you saw Court during his early days right yes but you also saw was him grow yes did you stop growing no so you kept growing with him yes so you evolved today so so now yes you see where I'm going with this yes it's because just because the plans started here that wasn't the Final Cut yes we're we're now you ended to another cut because the cut changed yes period of time but he had to believe it and that's what and that's what I think so that's what he gave you because now that he you saw him you saw because he's a map you follow that map you know what it's going to be at the end of it it's gonna be a pot of gold so that's the problem we don't share the map right right I'm talking about everybody don't get it get the viewer map yeah she got to see a map right right there right he was a living map yeah and you took her all through all that stuff and then she's where she's I think as important as that too she saw a lot of my failures too you know what I mean yeah yeah and to learn from that and it's so funny when I think back on some of the [ __ ] bro like do you remember when um you know we were when we were in Woodland Hills and I had picked y'all up and remember when we saw the police that's how you know you didn't season your child she could tell the story oh I got yes so we came home one day regular day when willing Hills in the San Fernando Valley for those that don't know L.A and you know we it's a regular day but I noticed as soon as we go up through the hills I just see all of these cars like you said and I noticed the tent was abnormally dark especially for La I'm like hold on my dad get pulled over all the time for a mirrored tent like can't dark tensions be up here so when I saw a couple and I saw one like guy just kind of walking casually but I could see he had a gun on his hip and I said Daddy go go go go I said that's the police go go go I said Drive she's sick she spoke me so then I look like and so I straightened up we drive right by my house we drive right up going to the neighbors though they was going to the neighbor's house yeah you doing what black people doing but but no what I'm saying is you know the [ __ ] I was into yeah yeah yeah yeah you know she was reacting to she reacting to the [ __ ] like oh [ __ ] she thought they was there for me and she yeah she she pulled my coattail like that keep driving I seen it like oh [ __ ] yeah and then we went we went over to some other Hills and and and uh we was watching the house like what they doing you know but but the beauty in that though is like you said the map and the growth you know what I mean I had her at 16 so we kind of grew up together I evolved she grew up together yeah we did no we did we did you know what I'm saying so but you know that's why I try to tell the youngsters you know what I mean like you can make different choices man listen I ain't even telling a lot of [ __ ] like if I had to do some [ __ ] like you know my wife she's her mom you know she's a professional you know she's corporate she's getting a master's degree and [ __ ] I didn't have to do some [ __ ] for the family you know what I mean so Mom go get his stuff no no no Obama's gonna stay home and I'm gonna take my oldest because I raise her like my oldest son so if I we didn't have to hop in the car you know what I'm saying and I'd have had her drive off yeah that's why you say you're gonna be a driver I was like so you know you know and I'm not celebrating it what I what I'm highlighting is the fact of the evolution of that you know what I'm saying I come from a level of [ __ ] I expose her to a level of [ __ ] yet she graduated you know college you know what I mean she's got her own businesses she's starting you know what I mean she she's done well for her she ain't got a bunch she ain't got no kids you know what I mean seen on the script strip pole seeing on the stripper pole or nothing like well let me say so I'm over here watching what he say like we're gonna clip this side the mom should have three Gatekeepers yeah is it true is it kind and is it necessary that's it that's it expand on that the truth is again coming back to my naked truth because the truth Can Be A well-dressed lie so you got to be sharp enough to get to the Naked Truth kindness is universal it's Universal the uh the mouth is capable of saying some outrageous things real [ __ ] some outrageous things but you're going to be remain in a positive spirit because the universe responds to positivity for sure we all know that let me put it this way you don't know to God until you meet the devil right do you know what I mean by that because you'll meet the devil first and then you will start calling on God right you already in trouble you should have been doing that before then yeah so that's why I said I have three gay kids yeah no real [ __ ] real [ __ ] yeah and and you know the thing that I wanted to segue into as well is do you think that you know now the youngsters call me OG you being a double OG you my OG but you know I'm a little homies OG do you think we dropped the ball on them I think we we uh empathetic empathetic in the fact that we living these good lives and we we don't necessarily want to deal with this nonsense yeah yeah you know what I mean I'm saying just just over time I'm saying even you know do you think that because a lot of them there's a disconnect between the young homies and the older homies you know what I'm saying you know the young homies just like oh man you old [ __ ] y'all know what y'all talking about yeah the young you know older [ __ ] is like you little [ __ ] don't listen there's been so many lies perpetuated and propagated in this culture that I don't know if we could ever but this is what I do gangbang has started with a group effort the only way it's going to end is through group effort uh uh jealousy hiding compliments and be hide and support love highs and hate just because they're giving it to you don't mean they have it for you always pay attention to the energy because the words can mean anything you know that's real so like they said body language is body language yeah body language that speaks volumes um so with all the the [ __ ] going on you know in the culture of course you got Kanye you got the violence you know just these entertainers um and not just entertainers you know it's [ __ ] every day that die in the hood you know what I mean what what do you think is the solution if one I don't know if we have a solution yet that's fair I know I know that we can only keep trying to come up with one because for us to give up doesn't make sense yeah and I know we can't take some away without having something to give what do we replace if we take that away what do we replace it with right right so we got to be able to bring something to the table and say here because you don't think those guys don't want to earn a living or make money or be able or be able to provide them with the necessary tools to to know how to do certain things yeah like again back to my point information poor information balance yes they don't have it they just don't know but do you think it's also just quick question do you think it's also a level of accountability because I will say with the young heads like at least with my generation and you know obviously I can acknowledge disconnect but we do have the internet we do have media we have a lot more mediums to pursue go back to my other point when I talked about Langston Hughes and and Baldwin and zornel's uh zornale Hurston you know all these different individuals Octavia Butler those people already laid it out for us why we don't go pick up those books and look and see what they did and how they did it and how they understood this social study or this social media or not social media social history you know the conflicts and everything they had to do they had conflict resolution back then right right that's that's a big part that that needs to be highlighted in our culture bro conflict resolution absolutely because it's like we all suffer from a level of cognitive distortion you know what I mean like we all may get some [ __ ] in our head you know that that's not real like you said leading with emotion you know and and ego you know what I mean and to me I always say ego is just basically the anesthesia that eases the pain of stupidity you know what I mean our emotions is profitable in this Society based on if we come off the handle the police make money the the Department of Corrections make money the the people that run these hospitals mental they everybody makes money yeah yeah based off our emotions our pain our pain our trauma yeah but [ __ ] we perpetuate it though you know so when you you know it's kind of wanted like not making no excuses like like my daughter said a level of accountability I think us is a culture which I keep preaching you know it's no excuses bro I think we all have to do our work you know I say that listen I you know this is my child she witnessed you know not all of my [ __ ] but some of my [ __ ] you know what I'm saying and and I've I was able to get older and mature so now I can make different decisions you know I can say damn the way I was thinking was [ __ ] you know or you know I used to be on that same [ __ ] [ __ ] like what you know I mean even here I was a cheerleader for foolishness [Music] like Lawrence Hilton Jacobs used to make a good poker prayer that definitely like the actor Lawrence Hill and Jacobs he used to always say that he said man it's a quiet fire about you he said I don't know whether you're gonna kiss somebody or kill him you know what I mean so that's just always been me you don't know what I'm gonna do you know what I mean but but I had to do the work peel back to layers and I think just as a culture that's what we got to do we got to do what we can do for us we can't keep looking to everybody else and everything else and you know what I'm saying we gotta quit killing each other we gotta quit [ __ ] over each other on social media we have to quit you know I like some gangster [ __ ] I was a gangster rapper I love some gangster [ __ ] in terms of listening to it right in the terms of gangsters I'm glad you mentioned that we went from gangster we went from Cowboys Indians to gangsters right to to where we are today okay to these street gangs yes you know what I mean so every era they celebrated Don Dillinger Mark Barker Machine Gun Kelly yeah yeah you know those people got celebrated yeah you know what I mean I'm Sicilian so I know I mean yeah yeah yeah so they celebrate yeah yeah so yeah what you think monkey what you think that this you know Generation Um if there's a you know a solution or what what y'all need well you kind of an old head now too but you kind of owe it now but even even the [ __ ] younger than you the generation younger than you what do you think the solution is it's I think it's a lot going on I think it starts with I mean one everything and it and it sucks to say but it does it starts with accountability because you have to want it for yourself nobody has nobody can want it more for you you know and then you know it's hard to because I'm you know you my mom like y'all taught me to be very analytical and be very subjective and it was funny I was just telling my friend this I said what I do love about my family like my parents never cared about my feelings it was always like no I mean it was because like it was just always like my dad would always tell me it's a war outside like you got to be able to take self-inventory you got to be able to my mom is is always saying like you got to be able to self Sue and the world isn't going to care about your feelings and it doesn't so taking that into the world and being able to apply it that's really what empowered me so now rather I win rather I fail you know it doesn't hit my soul it doesn't make me so insecure it doesn't make me overly emotional like you said to where now I can't think I'm easily you know manipulated I fall for anything because that Foundation was set but it also too you know now I laced you I laced you too much to fall Fanny yeah no for sure and then my mom because and I would always tell people like you know my dad was the street my mom was the corporate she would make me read like black Excellence books you know books all these biographies yeah so I never had that I was saying your culture give you your idea where you should be and you know I mean literally she literally had balance this was the real conversation in our house when she would come home and it would be [ __ ] in school you know uh conflict right and I'm in my 20s you know the 30s maybe early 30s and her mother would say what would she say what would Jesus do walk in love you know right and I would just let her mother do what she do oh okay and then when it was my turn to talk I'd be like look man [ __ ] they man you can't let nobody punk you yeah yeah straight up they don't necessarily get it these are real conversations yeah but um [Laughter] thank you someone as someone who's known you since a little kid though and we just had this combo yesterday because I got little kids now right this is my big bro so I was talking about we was talking about the rich [ __ ] comments right and I was saying remember that yes oh my God so I don't think that it wasn't that he didn't care or your parents didn't care about your feelings because he just told me yesterday we was talking about children and he was saying when you had conflict and I said oh man you pull up because my my kids got a problem right now I was dealing with and I was like I'm ready to pull up and he said no that's gonna make them weak they got to deal with their own conflict which is why I didn't and I sat there and I was like oh you know what you right so he was thinking about you but he was thinking about how when you got oh yeah it's just like it would help your kids with their homework or their science projects you're not helping them yeah you're hurting them because you're not letting them figure out how to get through and solve that problem and it's a it's a I think it's a shedding light on what your dad actually say about it when the door is closed went off on Jesus this time but it's balanced you know like I always used to say you know with your daughters you won't you you want to correct them or you want your you want her pimp correcting her or your sons you want to correct them or you want the police correcting them you know so I think it's a balance you know it's always a balance you know you yeah you guys got that figure that out man that family value pack right there oh yeah yeah and you gotta think man you know how it is you know I I don't have a reference point of what it was to be a husband or a father you know what I mean I almost did single parent with just me and my mom well I had my parents yeah she used what they yeah and I had I had love I was raised by strong women you know what I mean and you know my grandfather he was a what do you mean strong what do you mean by that I was what being raped by strong women I was raised by my mom my grandmother my aunts I was raised I ain't black women say that a lot I'm strong when I say strong meaning that that my grandmother was educated she was one of the first black nurses RNs to work at KU Medical Center in Kansas City Kansas you know what I mean so uh my mother you know my mother even though I mean uh would you say Grandma I mean she she wasn't a punk yeah yeah meaning that they wasn't docile I seen my mother you know fight [ __ ] and and get it for herself and no I just don't raise her up because I saw when they say that a percentage of women say that and then when you realize that wait a minute lady why is you saying that because yeah I don't mean that other [ __ ] yeah I know what you talk they get what they mean they don't talk all that other stuff no I don't mean that where you know a [ __ ] ain't gonna talk to me I ain't gonna be doing this I ain't cooking I ain't I don't mean that you know I mean I just mean when I say strong just not letting the world break them no we did not and these were my grandmother I don't want to come all the way you're saying now yeah now I was raised by stronger a couple of shout outs though yeah for sure first I want to give a shout out to Master P for coming to Compton and getting with Cynthia Nunn and doing the things he's doing the community for sure recognize you appreciate it shout out to my homegirl Rennie Loke they do some funny stuff she's really funny and telling it and also the band The bam hangs out with me come on my show from time to time the Hood post man I appreciate you bam shout out to all of them all good all good so on that note though with the shout outs you know what I mean so where can where can the people catch you at man they can find me on the hood postman on YouTube one word d-a-p-o-h-o-o-d-p-o-s-t-m-a-n the Hood post man I'm on YouTube Twitter Tick Tock uh Instagram ask the hood Postman and what's your content let them know for the Bible content is not pigeonholed conscious I talk about a a ray and a variety of things I'll talk about Hood stuff I'll talk about corporate stuff I talk about religion which we don't want to talk about religion today I'm gonna let Court I'm curious what what is your religion just real quick I don't have a religion I'm a free thinker okay all right and I think that that well I ain't gonna get into that because I know y'all you and I could connect on that yeah but that show that's your thoughts okay so I think that Jesus Christianity is a business Jesus is a product the people that follow it or the or the or the consumers hold on real quick you better quit saying well go ahead consumers you gotta go home so go ahead and the pastors the Bishops and the deacons are the benefactors and and if you can't see that then you're not really looking at what you got going so you're agnostic so I will say this it does provide a criteria for what you can judge between what's right and wrong I just don't necessarily need it because I figured out what's right and wrong I'll go back one deeper on you that okay before before government religion I govern people it was created for everything you just said yes and before that governments existed they used that to exactly you know gods and gods and I still didn't play today you know so here we are so but anyway yeah follow me on the Hood post man we're gonna have to have you come back so when you come back next time I'm gonna have my old lady here yeah so so y'all argue about that [ __ ] the whole hour we're gonna do it real we're gonna do a real intelligence and then I'm and then when I'ma ask her can we find the artifacts or the hieroglyphics or the books or the destination where Jesus is buried and anything and they show us that he actually existed I want to see that okay I want to see the facts Jesus I mean the Romans wrote about him so we know he existed well there's no if you can go back and find key cutting cutting comment and all these other people that's bearing the pyramids we know where they at we don't know where Jesus at yeah and they was before Jesus yeah I mean so how we can find those individuals how can we find those individuals but we can't find Jesus Renee you have something to say go ahead no no no but anyways I digress it's a valid point well so but oh anyway all right we can shut it off because I haven't I have answers all good so let me get a name drop point on your thing yeah oh yeah we're gonna do that we're gonna do that but um yeah listen we're gonna wrap it up man I appreciate you Meli OG Mellie Belle the hood Postman again man absolutely this next time don't take yeah so uh man we appreciate you coming to the show brother so uh we'll have you on again you know real soon man I want to feel like I'm part of the family that family member over there sleeping yeah that's my youngest daughter Courtney that's what she do okay part of the family yeah for sure you already know bro so uh man we appreciate you for coming my brother thank you um melee male the hood Postman producer Ken my daughter's debut uh Rachel Renee she did really good yeah I definitely like her yeah her commentary yeah I really enjoyed her I think that what she had to say was important and necessary because in this young world we need more people like her absolutely she's representing the zornale hurstons and then Giovanni Nikki Giovanni and Maya Angelou she's a representation of that so we need more of that I receive that thank you yeah well thank you hey we out of here appreciate y'all you know the vibe [Music] foreign [Music]

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Length: 98min 56sec (5936 seconds)

Published: Sat May 20 2023