Martin Scorsese on Killers of the Flower Moon, the Late Great Robbie Robertson & Being an Altar Boy

our first guest tonight is an American Treasurer and one of the greatest directors of all his new movie his 26th is the Epic Western crime Saga killers of the flower Moon it opens theaters and IMAX on Friday please welcome Martin scorsi how are you oh it's great to see you what a reaction wow I thank you what happened to those two kids what happened to what those two kids oh the kids we kicked out they're in the alley we beat them up pretty bad oh good okay all right yeah yeah okay how you doing it's great to see you you too I indulged in uh little Marty scorsi uh World last night I watched a whole bunch of things things I watch Italian am the video you made about your parents documentary I watch it at least twice a year sometimes more than that and I love it so much it's just unbelievably great it reminds me of I feel like I'm watching my own home movies watching fantastic I have a question for you about that and if you haven't seen it it's on YouTube it's easy to watch it's great it's a Criterion Channel I think yeah yeah and but you can sorry they put it on YouTube for free put it on YouTube for f so there you go it is it called Italian American with no hyphen no Capital because it became that I mean they were you know my grandparents were Sicilian they were I guess Sicilian American and then somehow they created the generation My Generation really was no hyphen we become more American so it becomes one Italian American now my children are more American Italian American Italian yeah yeah well hopefully it doesn't it doesn't keep diminishing until there's I don't know I mean that's the story of you know the immigrants coming here changing assimilating but holding on to a culture like in especially in terms of Balian americ the food was always the key yeah right in fact you put your mom's sauce or gravy recipe as we call it and meatball recipe in the credits of the film which has probably never been done before or since well that was a big deal and and she what she would do she she would you know tell you certain things I wouldn't if you want to follow that recipe go ahead but you have to be able to improvise a bit because she wouldn't tell you everything because otherwise the sister-in-law will find out and then she uses it and and the Mother-in-law finds out and not kind no this is their her way of doing it you think that's why because I always wonder it is always very hard with like Italian grandmas to get the recipe no they will not do it you can't get the recipe even if they're trying to give you the recipe they won't there's something in the DNA it won't happen yeah it won't happen they want you to go to them know we make the best like the colel or something you uh uh found um how did you Robbie Robertson your longtime collaborator who we were fortunate enough to get to know here you guys how did you guys meet um he passed away in August and I'm sorry for for that um how did you guys when did it happen that you met Robbie well I met him through Jonathan taplan who was um who had produced mean streets and they showed a screening of the film for him at Warner Brothers and we met there at that point but you know there was the band was a very very special group I mean that sound that came out of them from the big pink I don't know it sounded like nothing else in in the world ever uh and it's a combination of so many different musical um uh uh threads throughout American culture and so um I saw them at Woodstock I was on the stage at Woodstock I was one of the ads uh but at Woodstock they weren't they didn't they didn't really want to be part of it and so they didn't allow the cameras to come up on stage they're quite formidable they were kind of looking at us and we couldn't get one of the key things about Woodstock the camera get on the stage they work with the with the performers so we had loved them we were listening to every one of the songs Etc but we always felt that that um they had felt they who were these people coming up to Woodstock it's their place why were these 500,000 people here who are they you know what do they want so they played they played more for the audience and not for the film so we were always a little bit standoffish in a way until I met him uh uh at the screening of Mean Streets and he was uh very gracious um and then Jonathan taplan uh the producer of Mean Streets called at one point I was finishing up New York New York about a year later and he said listen there's going to be a a final concert and they're gonna have you know Muddy Waters there they're gonna have Van Morrison they're gonna have Eric Clapton they're gonna have Joanie Mitchell it's G and he said we need to get some kind of recording of this thing and then we met at Beverly Hills a restaurant Chinese restaurant and we started talking and uh we found we had kind of the same language yeah yeah I guess you did and um uh in fact you know our keyboard player Jeff babco played on the soundtrack of um killers and flower moon with um Robbie and um he said it was an incredible experience and he he told me something that I I don't think I've ever heard before is I think most directors and correct me if I have this wrong will make the movie and then the they they spot it and the composer didn't do that we talk about what the sound was like he was talking about wailing wailing I said he knows I like guitars and so at one point I said these Coyotes out here these coyotes and he had guitar sound like the howling of the coyote you you hear it throughout the picture yeah and and other things I said I want something for this movie that's that's kind of U dangerous and fleshy and sexy but dangerous and that was a theme he gave me all the way through with a kind of Thum Thum Thum Thum almost like a bolero as the film kind of circles around itself until finally it explodes you know and he gave us that but what he did he just gives it to me and I lay it in right and then I say hey Rob it's not working in this place what can you give me here that that guitar piece they say pull that guitar piece out put a he'll put a keyboard thing in from somewhere else so he never really except maybe for the opening sequence with the oil gushes I don't want to give it away but there's a a beautiful piece of music that he created for that which I said I need something really strong there is this movie in particular special for him because I know his mother grew up on a a native Canadian reservation yeah First Nations First Nation so he was on the res he was on the res they on the res res and he then he went on the road by himself at 16 years old just started traveling unbelievable yeah and I love him yeah you had and you had obviously a connection where you could direct him in the way that you speak to an actor where you tell them what you're looking for yeah and that happened on the last Walts particularly in the scenes where he's being interviewed he he would he started calling me Maestro all the time because sometimes I would get nervous especially when we didn't have uh not all the time I don't get nervous all the time but sometimes I do so uh but Rob be standing there and he's so cool you know he's the essence of cool doesn't say anything and he's I'm interviewing him and at the what I would do because there was no video assist at the time if I wanted him to go faster I go then slow slow easy and he finally called me every time Maestro and now people think it's some pretentious thing like Maestro no it came from Robbie it's just him making fun of you the Maestro was here come on you know you um religion is obviously a big theme in a lot of your movies and um in this case as well I think um different religion not your typical you were you were an alter boy for how long uh for about four years and then I would I was always so late at the 7:00 mass that they threw me out is that right you got they said don't don't don't just you had to do 7:00 a.m. Mass yeah the old the older ladies were there from the neighborhood in Black you know yeah would you ring the bells yes yeah you have to do it the right time it's a lot of pressure is I yeah yeah it is and and the the cruits the water sure yeah the water wine I liked it it's just that I you know I I I I could not get that myself together for that 7 o'clock masket up at 6:30 I couldn't do 7 o'clock yeah for the kids that um are not behaving themselves I think I know I think so I it's like a punishment but we all stayed friends and priest who wasn't judgeable that was a very great mentor to me of father prip I had the same experience yeah a lot of people love to talk about the terrible experiences that no this guy was amazing he gave us the first thing he gave us was books by Graham green then he gave us books by James Joyce then Dwight McDonald you know I mean this guy was quite something he was a great uh he was in his young he was early early 20s uh and he said open your mind man here start reading start reading because my priest at my um Church where I was an alter boy I went to his um 50th anniversary of priesthood uh uh about a year ago and I presented him with a large nude painting of himself oh that's great and he appreciated yes he did it's it's it's not hanging but I'll get you a copy of it Martin cesi is here his movie is called killers of the flower Moon it opens Friday we'll be right by he told me you was he was going with Matt Williams for a Time you talk too much I don't talk too much thinking who I got to beat in this horse race that's all I didn't realize this was a race I don't care for watching horses well I'm a different kind of horse what was that that's how you are I don't know what you said but must have been Indian for handsome devil that is Leonardo de Cabrio and Lily Gladstone in Pillars of the flower Moon she's uh he's great of course we know he's great she's fantastic she is amazing I you know what you see there at that moment when he did when he said I don't know what that is but it must be indan for handsome devil that's an improv and that's really her laughing and there you see how they came together as actors and from that moment throughout the whole picture we were like were like a unit oh that was it that's where it happened that seene does that sometimes happen too late with actors where it happens late in the R I hope it doesn't that's the key I mean but this no she you see the thing with her I I just saw in this film certain women by Kelly reikart and uh Ellen Lewis got this film for me and she said I think this is the one and we looked at her there's something about her face um and her eyes that you could see all the you feel what's going on intellectually and emotionally and she hardly has to show much it's all there in the eyes it's almost like uh a film that was that influenced us a great deal uh the ays like Olivia deavin in the in the arys I'm nodding but I don't know mgy C she's wonderful but anyway there's a thing about her face that ultimately we just could not she has a dignity and she has a strength and uh uh uh whenever we whenever we had questions we bring them to her she's great she really is and she' worked very closely with the oage the oage were were the oage nation they were in front of the camera behind the camera that's the other thing that blew my mind yeah so I saw the movie and these actors are all great and then I'm looking I'm reading about it and I'm looking at pictures of you with these leaders oage leaders and I realize these men are the actors in the film they're in the picture you never know they weren't actors no I know I know is that a bad thing for actors when you take people who aren't actors and make them just as good as the people who are well I've had that I've had that said to me not over the years but the point is that in this case in terms of the Native American indigenous people you got to deal with who they are you can't have people coming in and uh you know playing them in a way and as many as as we could get to perform in front of the camera they did there's an incredible scene between a man named Ernest ett Waller and U um the chief the chief Standing Bear In The Roundhouse where they talk about the the the tragedy that has occurred uh and it goes on and that's unscripted it is I put the guys you know dairo came out he heard the guy talking he said do you hear that guy I said yeah I said so I went back into the to the Hut we it was a set and I got to tell you um we were shooting at a per a time where um it it was getting into summer and it was like 105 110° so it was very hot so I came out to get some air and even Bob came out and said my this guy listen and I went back in he was talking to the people the other extras that were there and I asked him I said Everett can you do that again only sitting down he says put your cameras there two cameras on both of them and I let him whail and he wailes for all the indigenous people of the world wow it's right there what and what a unbelievable story a terrible story oh God hard to a story that is difficult to believe that this this happens yeah they they moved they came from I think Missouri to Kansas and then they were moved out of Kansas Again by more settlers and they bought some land from the Cherokee in uh in the reason they bought the land the only they're the only Native American uh uh group nation that were able to buy the land um from the Cherokee and they settled in a place in Oklahoma that was arid and had no farming and they said the white man's not going to want to be here and they said the white man also will not put iron in ground meaning the railroad and while they're there and it's miserable for few 20 years or whatever all of a sudden oil is discovered yeah like Beverly hillbilly style exactly and they own it they own it so then when the oil comes around over there suddenly all these you know european- Americans we all go in there and these guys come in and next thing you know it turns out that the oil uh the the head rights uh for the oil and the money goes through the feminine side of the female side of the family so you have a lot of guys start marrying the Native American women and then some of those women start dying yeah yeah yeah and a true story true story true story we never know we never know how many really went down um because quite honestly I'm I'm a New Yorker you know I'm a urban person yeah we knew that yeah and and I'm telling you Jimmy when I got out there the Prairie you know you could do I mean you hadn't been on a prairie much had you a lot of prairie time in your life no no camping ever go camping no no have you ever been to an REI store no no like I got you know I told Fran librit I said FR I'm in a forest she goes Marty you said a forest I said yeah she goes does it have more than one tree I said yeah like three trees I think that's about it you know well somehow you made a beautiful movie uh it's called killers of the flower Moon it opens in theaters and IMAX on Friday Martin scorsi everybody thank you so much for being here we'll be back with M app

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Published: Thu Oct 19 2023