Margaret Thatcher Off Camera - Pre-Interview Footage Reveals Another Side of the Iron Lady (1984)

it's just my age your neck shows your age yes Heavens someone once said to me I had my face lifted I said it hadn't dropped yet but the next I haven't had time to make up or anything so so I just hope it's all right we have got some powder if think that's could you just go back a bit I'm a little bit worried about that porcelain Guy The Duke the Duke of Wellington now that's all right only um not you but London weekend once had him marching out of my ear and it looked very odd so sorry so sorry sorry I think that's fine good good and uh I think that's lovely well if it looks all right by your expert eye I'm quite happy with it I'm fine to me and and how long are we going to stay 10 minutes 10 minutes only 10 minutes sorry we only have 26 in the whole show ah that means you want quick answers well I apologize how many questions and do you want to be called Sir Alister I made a mistake with Robin uh and I mustn't make it again well I'm told I told prime minister they're laying bets outside at this moment are we okay do you want a voice level all right just just for voice uh prime minister you're going to maidon to open a television station that is right on Friday and as you know I really made my independent television speech so we're having to think what I shall say this time thank you are you reading the news as well yes so you got to get back quickly it's back no it's 10:00 10:00 tonight or not 6:00 no no no no no no no no no the thought is that um we would use a uh an answer in the 545 news and therefore trade it have they are they doing it up have you got something outside which is putting it straight into it you literally these days don't have to go we need the shot for the B oh sorry for the what the bong top of for the headline we call them bong because we have Big B goes Bo the Prime Minister says boying you wants to be up a bit yes I think he wants to be up with it's merely that my uh you're looking straight into that one aren't you yes it's just my age your neck shows your age yes Heavens someone once said to me I had my face lifted I said hadn't dropped yet but the next fine all right fine well we better get on if we don't do it well we can do it again can't surely 10 minutes all right Sur thank you we'll go on your je okay we do the bong first yes the point is it's very nice just to have a scene Setter to show that we are here in number 10 with you and the porcelain figure of the Duke of Wellington and everybody therefore thinks you know is being done at number 10 and not in the studio or I can almost hear what she's saying but not quite yeah except the two sentences ago she said okay we'll start now now she's still talking 25 seconds to interview to 13 minutes she has the shot Lely thank you the editor says 12 13 the editor has given us an overrun already before you even 10 seconds to interview five seconds prime minister now that our allies seem to be having second thoughts about their troops isn't it time to call it a day and withdraw from the Lebanon no I don't think you make sudden decisions like that for quite some time we've been trying to get an expanded role of United Nations Forces when I was in New York in September I spoke to Mr pis dequa about it and again our ambassador in New York was active just before Christmas he's active again now and the foreign office have called in representatives from our embassies in London but before we leave I think we've got to make alternative Arrangements particularly in the Beirut area and the obvious thing is to get a better role and an expanded role for the United Nations Forces do you expect to have talks with the other Western prime ministers the foreign ministers do meet quite frequently and officials meet even more frequently the point is I think we must act together and we can't just come out of the bayroot area and leave a vacuum there you remember how terrible it was before the multinational Force went in and if there was terrible Slaughter again we should all feel very very guilty indeed that we hadn't made proper alternative arrangements and I think most people would agree that that was the right way to go about it but isn't there a risk that British troops will be slaughtered British troops are very very highly thought of in beut well I think you know that you've seen it frequently and displayed it frequently on television we have only 110 there we couldn't go down to any lower number because they wouldn't have the number both to do the job and to defend themselves um they have protected beut they go out and about on tours in Scout cars they're very widely welcomed by the beut people and they actually protect the building where the ceasefire talks constantly take place now the new president of Argentina has asked for new peace talks with Britain do you say that sovereignty is still not negotiable sovereignty is not negotiable but this is a democra government if you don't talk to them aren't you risking another war in which Allied support would be much less no you simply cannot lay claim to someone else's territory and then claim that there's a dispute and other people have to talk with you whether you are a dictatorship or a democracy but when you have become a democracy that means the government in power has been put in power by the wishes of the people you would expect such a government to respect the wishes of other people but what can you talk to the president about oh all kinds of things uh first about trying to restore more normal commercial relations second by taking steps to restore diplomatic relations but that couldn't possibly be done until they uh agree that hostilities are at an end you couldn't have diplomatic relations if they hadn't said all hostilities ceased but as a return for saying that naturally they'd want the exclusion Zone lifted and the exclusion zone is only there because we still have a state of hostilities so there's quite a lot to do and we would like obviously to have more normal relations if they will now here is it true that you want to stop the liberal party leader laying a wreath at the senat half I am quite happy for the existing arrangements for the senat half to go on I had no wish to change them at all and then Dr Owen wished to change them and as you know there has been a lot about it in the Press I didn't want to change them he wished to change them and I pointed out that I thought that the his party fought as the alliance with the liberal party and therefore was represented at the Senate half if they are to be changed it's not a matter for me only it's a matter for the other parties in the House of Commons I can't just do it alone and therefore talks have to be started with all the other parties in the House of Commons it has come up once before when the Scottish nationalist got a lot of members in before my time during the lifetime of the labor government they said could they not also be represented at the Senate half and the then labor government of which Dr in was a member refused their request Dr in then um suggested that he should be there and this has all started in this way I have no wish to change it if it is to be changed we must discuss it not with one other party or two we must discuss it with all the parties in the House of Commons and those talks are just starting so it's a bit too soon for instant comment but wouldn't it be a good idea that all parties who want to defend this country and whose members have fought for this country should be entitled to lay a wreath I think that one assumes that everyone in Parliament is prepared to defend democracy and our way of life the origin of that having the three-party leaders was of course uh when the ceremonies of the Senate half came just in the postwar period to to demonstrate to the world of large they had all served in a coalition government in order to defend our way of life now what happens uh the liberal party went when they only had I think six members in the House of Commons now do you say any party that's got six members and what happens if they lose one in a byelection and why should not other parties be represented if they represented when six and so on there are an infinite number of questions I'm not going to decide a n a national or great National occasion like that U unilaterally I couldn't possibly do it nor should I be entitled to do it so we have to discuss it to the leader of the house and with the Home Secretary with the other parties and come to some arrangement which they all accept and which will endure and then of course it is also um a great Royal occasion too that's most important of all and we have to bear in mind that we lay our wreaths after uh the queen as head of state and members of the royal family have laid theirs it's January now and the cruise missiles are at greenham common do you think that they are here with the wholehearted support of the British public I believe that the British public is wholeheartedly behind NATO and realizes that NATO is our strength our Shield NATO is the real peace movement I believe they know that the stationing of crew and persing was a NATO DEC decision and I believe that when it is explained in that way they accept the stationing of Cruz and of course of persing in Germany and I believe that they know that we have an arrangement which has endured for many years with presidents of the United States which has been recently renewed that no nuclear weapon could be launched or fired from our territory without the specific consent of the prime minister of the United Kingdom would you go to Moscow to try to renegotiate missile on both sides of the Iron Curtain I have no wish to go to Moscow at present uh I believe that it would be very good if we could have more members of the Soviet government traveling the world as we travel the world Mr GMO certainly does but I would like to see more of them going out and about and coming to see our way of life and coming to talk to us as you know the tendency is for Western States when to go there but let's get them out and talk to them I think the important thing now at this rather crucial stage in east west relations Is to get a greater General understanding if we do that you know the details will come but I don't think you'll necessarily get the general understanding by negotiation on very complicated details I hope they'll go back to Geneva to negotiate we have the Stockholm conference but I really want more General talks with more of them you see the European the West European leaders very frequently would you really go as far as stopping Britain's payments to the common market unless you get a better deal uh you know the latest developments on the 31st of December we hadn't been paid our 1982 refunds in full we waited until then then we sent a very detailed note which was delivered today by our community Ambassador Sir Michael Butler to Mr Gaston Thorn president of the commission pointing out we not had our 42 million and that the uh Community was therefore in default with us and uh we hope that the commission would make arrangements to pay it there's another very large amount much much larger something like 450 million pounds due at the end of March uh I hope that will be paid I hope both Lots will be paid one technically is in default I hope they will not go into default with the other um if they do then we will have to in the famous phrase and I think they all know exactly what it means but some things are a little bit better wrapped up uh that we should have to take steps to safeguard our position that means you will take steps Oh indeed yes we need the money it's ours it's due to us it's promised do you think M miton wants you to have the money I think when the time comes he will recognize that it is very much better if we do have it on time as was promised by all heads of government at stutgart the economy is looking a little bit better but can you talk about a recovery while there are still 3 million unemployed I think we are into different technological times and that is a factor which we must take into account in unemployment as well as the world recession we're really in a third Industrial Revolution and therefore that means one can manufacture to the same number of goods and indeed an increasing amount with fewer people uh also still hit as you can see from the ship building dispute by people refusing to give up their restrictive practices and therefore the business goes elsewhere now if you look at the history of the heavy Industries and the big State Industries as well as the private Industries both they have employed fewer people over the past 10 years that trend is going to go on and you get more and more into the service Industries into Insurance into tourism uh into many many things that are forefathers never thought of and opportunities they didn't have now the first steps of new technology tend to put people out of work the second stage tends to create all kinds of jobs look television is an example our forefathers never thought of all kinds of jobs that didn't exist previously we're in the interim now and I hope this year where we shall be in that stage where although there will still be more redundancies uh that we shall be getting increases new business and extra business so that we shall have unemployment leveling off and then we should be able to go into a regeneration period so that we can get more jobs for people I believe they will come as they came after the second re Industrial Revolution and after the first one so you think the second stage starts this year I believe that the leveling off starts this year but we're already starting the second stage and as you saw the news that we're doing very well in our new electronics Industry the fact is in part of industry and in part of our whole industry and commerce there is a Revival uh but we're still getting redundancies in some of the old Industries so the overall picture is of some coming down and some starting up but the Revival is starting and I want it to gather Pace it's it's the spirit of Enterprise they have it in the states they never lost it we went into so many controls that um we have to get it going again but we shall thank you PR may I just say one thing congratulations sir Alistair I forgot with sir Robin I'd not like to make the same mistake twice and a very Happy New Year to you thank you and to you I think that's settled a few PS good I I thought that was fine I'm not sure they'll take very good I think if they're running I think I think if they're running short of time that's the optional cut no no no you must do that first

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Length: 17min 23sec (1043 seconds)

Published: Thu Jan 04 2024