>> GOOD MORNING. YOU'RE JOINING US LIVE FOR LIBERTY'S CONVOCATION. >>> A NOW THOUGHT OR PHRASE THAT SEEMS TO BE FLOATING AROUND A LOT THESE DAY IS THE NEW NORMAL. OR EVEN IT'S THE NEW NORMAL PAST THIS PANDEMIC, WHERE YEARS TO COME EVERYTHING WE KNEW WILL BE SHIFTING AND CHANGING. THE NEW FORM -- NORM AGO IS A QUESTION WE'RE ALL ASKING. WHAT WILL THIS YEAR LOOKS LIKE FOR US IN A YEAR, TWO YEARS FROM NOW. AS CITES WE SEE THAT THOUGHT THROUGH SCRIPTURE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NEW NORMAL FOR GOD. A SOV EARN GOD THAT IS NOT SURPRISED BY EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SURPRISED AT IN THE PARTICULAR MOMENT. WE REALIZE THAT NOTHING EVER OCCURS TO GOD, THAT GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY IS JUST AS REAL TODAY AS IT WAS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE THIS PANDEMIC. OUR GUESTS TODAY, KATHERINE AND JAY WOLF, ARE CERTAINLY NO STRONGER TO LIVING THE NEW NORMAL. BACK IN 2008, THEY WERE THE PERFECT COUPLE. HAVING ABOUT THEIR LIFE SEEMED SURREAL. IT SEEMED LIKE SHE WAS A BEAUTY CONE, HE WAS AN UPCOMING LAWYER, LIVED THERE LIFE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE PERFECT MARRIAGE. THEN KATHERINE HAD A STROKE. YEARS AND YEARS LATER THEIR ENTIRE LIFE LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN EVERYTHING THEY HAD PLANNED. A POWERFUL TESTIMONY HOW THROUGH ALL OF THAT GOD'S FIRE ALLOWED THEM TO REDEFINE EVERYTHING AROUND THEIR LIFE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM ON HOW WE CAN EMBRACE THE NEW NORMAL. LET'S WATCH THIS TOGETHER. >> SO KATHERINE AND JAY WOLF, THANK YOU, SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. MAN, THE LAST TIME THAT GOD BROUGHT YOU HERE TO LIBERTY, HE USED YOU IN SUCH A POWERFUL WAY, NOT JUST AS CONVOCATION, BUT CAMPUS COMM AS WELL. WE LOVE YOU. THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. HOW IS IT GOING IN ATLANTA WITH THE QUARANTINE AND YOU TWO KIDS AT HOME. HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> THEY'RE NOT SO CUTE ANYMORE. WE'RE MAKING IT AND WE'RE SURVIVING. WHEN WE WENT TO LIBERTY THE LAST TIME WE WERE LIVING IN LOS ANGELES AND THEN WE MOVED TO ATLANTA, TO BE CLOSER TO OUR FAMILIES, PASSION CITY, AND WE'RE FINDING OUR SEASON IN THIS LIFE AND REALLY LOVING ATLANTA. NOW WE'RE LEARNING TO LOVE OUR HOME AND OUR FAMILY AND EVEN MORE DURING THIS TIME. WE'RE LIKE EVERYBODY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT NEW RHYTHMS AND NEW NEW NORMALS THAT CHANGE OFTEN. WE'RE GRATEFUL TO CONNECT DIGITALLY, BUT TO CONNECT IN THIS AGE TO DO IT. >> IT REALLY IS. TELL ME A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR STORY JUST BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF OUR STUDENTS KNOW YOUR STORY, BUT WHEN YOU CAME AND SHARED IT, BUT WE HAVE 4500 NEW FRESHMAN THAT WERE NOT A PART OF OUR CONVOCATION TOGETHER, AND SO TAKE US BACK A LITTLE BIT. YOU HAVE SUCH A CAPTIVATING STORY. THE MOVIE IS NOT OUT YET. UNTIL THEN, GIVE US -- GIVE US A QUICK SYNTHESIS OF WHAT GOD HAS DONE IN YOUR LIFE. >> YEAH, IT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE. I WAS A TOTALLY NORMAL 26-YEAR-OLD, TOTALLY HEALTHY TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO MEDICAL HISTORY, NOTHING, AND OUT OF NOWHERE, I HAD A MASSIVE BRAIN STEM STROKE DUE TO A BIRTH DEFECT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD THAT RUPTURED AND LEFT ME EXTREMELY DISABLED AND I REMAIN THAT WAY TODAY. I CAN'T DRIVE A CAR, I'M IN A WHEELCHAIR, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE A PARALYZED FACE AND JUST LOADS OF HEALTH PROBLEMS FOR SURE. WE WERE MARRIED ALMOST THREE YEARS WHEN IT HAPPENED, AND I HAD A SIX MODEL BABY WHO IS NOW A 12-YEAR-OLD AND WE'VE GONE ON TO HAVE ANOTHER BABY WHO IS NOW -- HE'S NOT A BABY ANYMORE. IN THE MIDST OF JUST THIS CRAZY RIDE IN OUR EARLY MARRIAGE, WE MANAGED THROUGH GOD'S GRACE TO MOVE INTO A NEW SEASON, WHERE WE HAVE A MINISTRY CALLED HOPE HEELS, WHERE WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE CAMPUS FOR FAMILIES OF DISABILITIES. ACTUALLY THERE ARE MANY LIBERTY STUDENTS WHO COME WORK AT VOLUNTEERS AT OUR CAMPUS, INCLUDING -- WILL BE RETURNING AGAIN. I THINK THIS IS THEIR THIRD OR FOURTH SUMMER. JUST AMAZING LIBERTY. IT'S BEEN ROUGH. I'VE HAD 11 SURGERIES SINCE THE STROKE AND NUMEROUS PRETTY BAD HEALTH STUFF AND, I DON'T KNOW, A HARD JOURNEY, BUT I'M SO MUCH -- SO MUCH INCREDIBLE HOPE IN THE LORD. JUST A WAY OF VIEWING THE WORLD THAT HAS MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE, A WAY OF REDEFINING THAT JUST CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR US. >> OUR STUDENTS THAT WORK AT THE CAMPUS COME BACK JUST GLOWING AND RECRUITING. THEY JUST TELL THEIR FRIENDS, THIS IS THE GREATEST EXPERIENCE. YOU'VE GOT TO COME BE A PART OF IT. IT'S JUST EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE HOPING YOU WOULD BE AND MORE. I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES OF NOT JUST YOUR PUBLIC MINISTRY, BUT IN THE TRENCHES WHAT YOU GUYS DO. SO THANKFUL FOR YOU. THIS NEW BOOK, "SUFFER STRONG," I'VE GOT TO READ THIS SUBTITLE. IT CAME OUT IN FEBRUARY. CONGRATULATIONS. IT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL BOOK. THE SUBTITLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT DURING THIS PANDEMIC IS "HOW TO SURVIVE ANYTHING BY REDEFINING EVERYTHING." AND SO JUST PULL ONE PRINCIPLE OUT OF THE BOOK AS PEOPLE ARE SITTING AT HOME, NOT ABLE TO GATHER IN CHURCHES, BEING TOLD THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE HOME-SCHOOLED FOR THE UNFORESEEABLE FUTURE, ALL THIS UNCERTAINTY, GROCERY STORES GETTING HOARDED AND EMPTIED. HOW DO WE SURVIVE THIS BY REDEFINING EVERYTHING. >> I THINK WE HAVE FOUND IN OUR OWN LIFE WE ARE ALL DEFINED BY SOMETHING. WE COME INTO THIS WORLD DEFINED AND SUGGEST COMES INTO ALL OF OUR OTHERS. NOW WE EXPERIENCE THAT COLLECTIVELY IN A WAY THAT REDEFINES IT. WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WHETHER WE HAD WARNING OR NOT, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS CROSSROADS AND THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME REFINED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SUFFERING AND THAT IS THROUGH HOPE. LIFE DEFINES US, SUGGEST REDEFINES US AND HOPE DEFINES US. THAT IS IN A STRANGE WAY THE EXCITING AND HOPEFULLY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ALL HAVE AS A SOCIETY AS A HUMAN RACE, AS A CHURCH ON THE ODOR SIDE OF THIS COLLECTIVE STRUGGLE, IS THAT WE CAN BE REFINED AND COME TOGETHER AND HEAL TOGETHER. I MEAN, WE'RE COMING OFF OF A HUGELY DIVIDED SEASON, A SEASON IN THE DIGITAL AGE WHERE WE ARE SO DISCONNECTED AND WHAT A HOPEFUL POSSIBILITY ON THE FAR SIDE OF THIS WE CAN START OVER IN A WAY TOGETHER AS A HUMAN RACE, AS A CHURCH, THAT WE CAN BECOME REFINED, THAT THE LITTLE THINGS THAT HAVE PUT UP BARRIERS AROUND US WON'T SEEM SO IMPORTANT ANYMORE AND WE'LL RECOGNIZE THAT LIFE IS FRAGILE, THAT IT'S A MIRACLE THAT WE'RE HERE TOGETHER AND THAT GOD HAS CALLED US TO THIS MOMENT OF LIFE OR EACH OTHER AND FOR HIMSELF. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE ALL KIND OF WAKING UP TO IN THIS MOMENT AND IN THIS SEASON AND THAT IS OUR PRAYER, THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE WHAT THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN AND TO GIVE IT AWAY AND IN THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD BE HEALED TOGETHER AS A HUMAN RACE. >> THERE IS SUCH GREAT BALANCE IN THIS BOOK IN THAT IN SUFFERING STRONG, YOU'RE NOT TELLING CHRISTIANS THAT THEY SHOULD LONG FOR SUFFERING, BURR YOU'RE ALSO NOT TELLING CHRISTIANS THAT SUFFERING IS A CURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THIS GREAT BALANCE. YOU HAVE THE HEALTH AND PROSPERITY FOLKS GOING HOW DOES MY THEOLOGY DOVETAIL RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT I'M DEALING WITH AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD WANT SUGGEST WHO SHOULDN'T WANT A VIRUS COG VIRAL AND SO WE JUST EMBRACE THAT IN THIS WORLD WE WILL HAVE TROUBLE, THAT IN THIS WORLD ONE OUT OF ONE PEOPLE WILL SUFFER, AND SO SUFFERING WELL, LEVERAGING WHAT GOD IS PUTTING ON THE PATH OF YOUR LIFE, IS ON A PRACTICAL SENSE SO MUCH OF YOUR STORY. JUST GIVE US JUST A PEEK INTO THE BOOK. IS THERE A STORY OR IS THERE AN ILLUSTRATION OR A VERY BIG APPLICATION POINT THAT RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD JUST GIVE AS A PIECE OF ADVICE OR TO ENCOURAGE OUR STUDENTS? >> WELL, THERE'S A TON. IT'S HARD TO CHOOSE ONE. BUT, FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID. THAT'S IT, THAT SOMEHOW WE ALL TO SOME DEGREE BOUGHT INTO OUR THEOLOGY OF HEALTH AND WEALTH, THAT'S HOW IT'S GOT TO BE IN ORDER FOR US TO LIVE OUR BEST LIFE, AND THAT'S RIDICULOUS BECAUSE 100 OUT OF A HUNDRED, EVERYBODY IS SUGGEST. IN JOHN 16: 33, IN THIS WORLD YOU WILL HAVE TROUBLE, BUT YOU CAN TAKE HEART, YOU CAN BE OF GOOD CHEER IN SOME TRANCE LOCATIONS. SO WE KNOW THE ULTIMATE END OF THE STORY. BUT SHOULD WE WANT SUGGEST, SHOULD WE ELEVATE SUFFERING IN SOME WAYS? NO, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A PART OF OUR STORY. BUT WE CAN EMBRACE THAT AND SUFFER WELL, SUFFICIENT STRONG. ESSENTIALLY WE ALL GET TO BE A PART OF DISRUPTING THE IDOL OF A PAIN-FREE LIFE. I CALL IT REBELL JOYFULLY. I'M A JOY REBEL. IDOL WRIST OPPORTUNITY -- DISRUPTOR IN MANY WAYS, WE ALL MADE AN IDOL AND WORSHIPED IT, THE HEALTH, WEALTHY WAY. >> A PAIN-FREE LIFE, WHERE THERE CAN BE JOIN, THAT IT CAN BE HARD, THAT IT STILL BE VERY GOOD STATEMENT. THEY'RE NOT DIE METHODICALLY OPPOSED. WE CAN HOLD JOY AND SORROW TOGETHER. ON THIS SIDE OF HEAVEN THAT IS THE GOSPEL AND THAT IS THE LIFE AND MINISTRY OF CHRIST IS THAT IT'S BOTH. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME DOESN'T MEAN GOD HAS FORSAKEN YOU. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A TIME OF SIMPLICITY AND JOY AND EASY THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S -- EASY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE WON'T BE HARDSHIP AHEAD. ALL THE THINGS THAT TEND TO TAKE OUR ATTENTION WHEN YOU HAVE A MEDICAL CRISIS, THAT IS THE TOP OF YOUR LIST, THAT IS THE ONLY THING ON YOUR LIST REALLY. I THINK A LOT OF US ARE REALIZING NOW WHEN SO MUCH HAS FALLEN AWAY, WHAT IS IT THAT REALLY MATTERS, WHAT AM I HERE FOR, WHAT CAN I FOCUS ON THAT IS GOING TO BE TRANSCENDENT. THAT IS RICH OPPORTUNITY. I THINK OF ISAIAH 45: 3, THAT THERE'S HIDDEN TREASURE IN THE DARKNESS. AND AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN SOME SORT OF MATERIAL WEALTH, SOME SORT OF OUTCOME. THAT MEANS WE'RE FINDING GOD, WE'RE FINDING THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, TO BE TRANSCENDENT AGAINST ALL ODDS IN THESE MOMENTS AND THAT IS TREASURE THAT WE GET TO HOLD ONTO, EXPERIENCE IT DEEPLY UNTIL WE'RE IN THE SEASON OF DARKNESS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AROUND AND DISTRACTED BY ALL THESE THINGS. WHAT A GIFT AND WE PRAY THAT PEOPLE WILL FIND TREASURE, FIND, GOD, IN A NEW WAY IN THIS TIME. >> I LOVE JUST HOW SO MUCH OF YOUR STORY -- BY THE WAY, WHEN IS THE MOVIE COMING OUT? >> WE DON'T KNOW. WE'LL SEE. >> WE'LL SEE. SOUL SURIFFER, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT STORY? HE'S SIGNED ON TO DIRECT. >> HE'S THE DIRECTOR. >> WHO KNOWS, THINGS WILL BE SLOWING DOWN FOR A BIT. PEOPLE LONG FOR STORIES, STORIES OF HOPE, STORIES IN THE MIDST OF GREAT UNCERTAINTY AND KNOWNS THAT GIVE US AN ARC THAT WE CAN HOLD ONTO. I THINK IN THE RIGHT TIME IT WILL GET MADE AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING STUFF DIGITALLY. >> YEAH, MAN, IF YOU NEED AN ACTOR TO PLAY YOU, JAY, IN THE MOVIE IF THEY BRING THAT UP, I MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. I THINK WE LOOK A LOT ALIKE. YOU LOOK KIND OF IRANIAN TO ME. >> GREAT. >> YEAH. >> SHE THOUGHT I WAS ACTUALLY WHEN WE FIRST MET. >> YEAH. >> REALLY? >> I DID. >> IT'S THE BEARD. >> YEAH. >> PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THIS STORY BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID IN THAT ARC, THERE'S SUCH A REALITY THAT YOU COME OUT OF SANFORD, YOU'RE ALMOST LIKE MR. AND MRS. SANFORD, BEAUTY PAGEANT QUEEN, YOU'RE THE LAWYER, YOU GUYS ARE LIKE THE IT COUPLE, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR STROKE AND THEN SURGERY, SURGERY, SURGERY, SURGERY. YOU ARE SUCH A STORY OF JUST NAVIGATING NEW NORMAL, YOU KNOW, LEARNING TO EMBRACE JUST THE NEW NORMAL IN YOUR LIFE. A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING ARE MAYBE WAKING UP TO THIS TRUTH THAT MAYBE PAST THIS PANDEMIC, THERE WILL BE A NEW NORMAL. PAST SEPTEMBER 11 WE NEVER DID SECURITY AGAIN, FROM FROM THE AIRPORTS TO JUST THE WAY WE DID HAVING. WE LOOKED AT THE WORLD THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS. THROUGH THIS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL LOOKS LIKE, BUT THERE WILL BE A NEW NORMAL. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE FACING, BUT THE PRINCIPLES OF EMBRACING THE NEW NORMAL. GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED JUST IN YOUR OWN JOURNEY. >> I'VE OPINION SAYING WHAT HAS BEEN SO VALUABLE THAT WE DID NOT EVEN REALIZE PROBABLY FOR AWHILE WAS HAPPENING, BUT WAS CLEARLY JUST A DEEP BLESSING FROM THE LORD THAT WE WERE TEED UP FOR THIS PROBABLY. WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT REMAINS IN OUR STORY, AND LIVE THERE, INSTEAD OF WISHING FOR THAT OR THAT OR THAT OR BEHIND US OR THAT WAY, IT'S WHAT HAS GOD PUT IN MY HANDS, WHAT HAS HE ASSIGNED TO MY LIFE AND HOW CAN I LIVE IT WELL DURING MY TIME ON EARTH. IT CHANGES EVERYTHING TO HAVE THE PERSPECTIVE OF THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF ME AND NOT LOOKING AROUND, WANTING IT TO BE DIFFERENT, BUT SAYING GOD HAS GIVEN ME THIS, FOR SOME REASON HE HAS ASSIGNED IT TO MY STORY AND I'M GOING TO LIVE IT WELL FOR HIM. >> YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. >> SO MANY TIMES WE SEE, I DON'T KNOW, IN THE LIFE OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO JUST BELIEVE IN THE LORD HOW GOD WILL GIVE THEM A BIBLE VERSE EARLY IN THEIR LIFE AND THEN THAT VERY SAME VERSE THAT THEY'VE KNOWN MEANS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT TO THEM IN A NEW CIRCUMSTANCE, OR A SONG THAT YOU'VE SUNG FOR YEARS AND YEARS, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WAKE UP AND YOU'RE QUARANTINED WITH YOUR KIDS OR SOMEBODY WHO IS ELDERLY THAT YOU LOVE TESTS POSITIVE AND THAT OLD SONG BECOME LIKE NEW SEAR RICKS AGAIN. HAS THERE BEEN -- LOWER RICKS AGAIN. HAS THERE BEEN A BIBLE VERSE THAT YOU FOUND YOURSELF GOING TO IN THE LAST FEW DAYS? >> FOR SURE. WE FIND OURSELVES SAYING A LOT, 2 CORINTHIANSIANS FOUR, A LOT OF THAT ENTIRE BOOK OF THE BIBLE, BUT SPECIFICALLY VERSE 16, 17, AND 18, IT SAYS WE WILL NOT LOSE HEART, THOUGH OUTWARDLY WE'RE WEIGHTING AWAY AND REALLY WE'RE BEING RENUDE DAY AFTER DAY FOR LIFE AND MOMENT TEAR TRIALS. ACHIEVING GLORY THAT CANNOT BE REVEALED. THEREFORE, WE FIX OUR EYES NOT ON WHAT IS SEEN, BUT ON WHAT IS UNSEEN. FOR THE SEEN IS TEMPORARY, BUT WHAT IS UNSEEN IS ETERNAL. AND THAT HAS BEEN A DEEP VERSE FOR US IN THIS TIME. THIS IS ALL VERY TEMPORARY, AND WHAT IS UNSEEN IS ETERNAL. >> HAS THERE BEEN A SONG MAYBE, JAY, THAT HAS REALLY MEANT DIFFERENTLY TO YOU RECENTLY. >> I FEEL LIKE PASSION, OUR CHURCH, HAS BEEN THE SOUND TRACK OF OUR LIFE FOR SO LONG. WE'VE BEEN WORSHIPING AROUND THAT SONG WAYMAKER A LOT RECENTLY. AGAIN, IT'S SO EASY FOR US TO TAKE SOMETHING IN, IT SORT OF -- I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT IT AND YOU ENTER INTO A DIFFERENT SEASON AND WE CAN REINVESTIGATE THOSE PROMISES WE ALREADY KNOW, THOSE VERSUS OF THE SONGS, THOSE TOUCH STONES IN OUR LIFE THAT AREN'T ANYTHING NEW, BUT NOW THEY'RE TOTALLY NEW AGAIN, AND I THINK REVISIT THEM AS THE MESSAGES THAT GOD HAS TIED ALONG IN OUR HEART THIS WHOLE TIME, HAS BEEN A REVELATION. THAT SONG JUST -- THAT REALITY THAT GOD IS MAKING, A WAY THAT HE'S WORKING MIRACLES WITHIN THE NOW, THAT THERE'S THIS -- AGAIN I KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS ARC IDEA BECAUSE SO MUCH OF OUR ANXIETY RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING. WE DON'T KNOW DATES, TIMES, IMPACTS OF ALL THIS AND YET WE DO KNOW AT THE END OF THE STORY, WE KNOW THAT SUFFERING IS NOT THE END OF OUR STORY, THAT IT'S A NEW BEGINNING AND THAT'S THE NEW GOSPEL. SO LEANING INTO THAT MESSAGE AND KNOWING, WE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT TOMORROW HOLDS, BUT WE DO KNOW THERE IS THIS ARC COMING FOR OUR STORY. THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL STORY. AND THAT'S A GOOD STORY. AND WE KIND OF COME AROUND THIS IDEA AT THE END OF OUR BOOK SUFFICIENT STRONG, BUT TO OUR KIDS NIGHTLY TO SAY JAMES AND JOHN, GOD MADE YOU TO DO THE HARD THING AND THE GOOD STORY THAT HE'S WRITING FOR YOUR LIFE, THAT HE HAS EQUIPPED YOU WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED. MOST OF ALL HIMSELF AND HIS SPIRIT WITHIN YOU. THE HARDEST THING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AFRAID OF IT, HE IS WITH YOU AND HE LOVES YOU AND HE'S GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED AND BECAUSE OF THAT HE'S WRITING A BILLING STORY IN YOUR LIVES THAT YOU CAN BE A PART OF. >> AND YOU CAN TRUST THAT. >> AND THAT'S FRANKLY FOR OURSELVES TOO. >> YEAH, WE'RE TALKED TO OUR SOULS, TOO. >> WHEN YOU'RE SINGING "WAYMAKER" YOU'RE PREACHING THAT TRUTH. EVEN THOUGH HE'S WORKING, EVERYTHING IS SIDELINED, HAVING IS ON PAUSE, GOD NEVER STOPS, HE NEVER STOPS. SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO PREACH THAT TO YOURSELF, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE TO SING IT, SO THE PERSON THAT HEARS YOU IN THE GROCERY STORE GOES WHY DOES THIS PERSON HAVE HOPE. I'M JUST SCARED. IT'S FINANCE, PEOPLE ARE JUST TERRIFIED AND IT'S FAN MESS -- MANIFESTOING IT INTO NINE HOURS AT A COSTCO TO GET THE BIGGEST CAN OF GROWN BEANS THEY CAN GET. JUST THE PEOPLE OF HOPE, THE PEOPLE OF CHRIST HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YOU GUYS ARE JUST EXPERTS AT IT BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD A LONGER RUNNING HEAD START. CAN YOU PRAY JUST FOR US, PRAY FOR OUR STUDENTS THIS MORNING THAT ARE WATCHING THIS, PRAY FOR JUST ALL THE FAMILIES? WE'RE GOING TO BE SCATTERED IN OVER 100 COUNTRIES, A LOT OF OUR STUDENTS JUST DURING THE REST OF THE SEMESTER ON LIEN, A LOT OF SENIORS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FINISH OUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR NURSING PRACTICUMS, THEIR PILOTS, THEY CAN'T ONLINE, THEY HAVE TO GO GET ON AN AIRPLANE AND GET THOSE LOGGED ON HOURS. JUST IN ALL THAT'S HAPPENING, WE'D LOVE FOR YOU JUST TO PRAY A BLESSING AND PRAY ASSURANCE, JUST GO TO THE LORD FOR US. CAN YOU DO THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY. SURE. FATHER, WE PRAISE YOU RIGHT NOW, LORD, PRAISE IS ON OUR LIPS, EVEN IN THIS TIME. FOR HAVING THAT YOU ARE DOING, FATHER, YOU ARE AT WORK, YOU ARE NOT ABSENT EVEN IF IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE SILENT, YOU ARE NOT ABSENT. YOU ARE WORKING ON THE MOVE, LORD. LET US LIVE WITH HOPE. WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF OUR FAITH. FOR THE JOYS THAT YOU AFFORD US, YOU ENDURED SO MUCH, LORD. LET US CONSIDER WHAT YOU'VE ENDURED, PLEASE. GIVE US PERSPECTIVE. FATHER, GUIDE US, LET US LIVE WITH HOPE, LET US CELEBRATE EVEN DURING THIS TIME. WE KNOW THAT ULTIMATE OUTCOME IS IN YOU, IS THE TRUTH, FATHER, AND WE WANT TO LIVE WELL EVEN IN THIS SEASON. WE WANT TO STEWARD IT WELL. AND WAKE UP TO THE REALITY THAT YOU ARE AT WORK, LORD, THAT YOUR STORY, THAT YOU ARE IN OUR LIVES IS A GOOD STORY, FATHER. WE PRAISE YOU THAT SOMEHOW THAT IS TRUE, THAT EVEN WHEN WE DON'T FEEL IT. YOU ARE AT WORK AND WE TRUST YOU AND WE KNOW, LORD, THAT YOU ARE IN FACT ON THE MOVE. OUR DESIRES TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, HOSEA 6:THREE, LET US PRESS ON TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LORD, YOUR GOING FOR IT IS AS CERTAIN AS THE DAWN. YOU WILL COME TO US LIKE THE SPRING AND THE WINTER RAINWATER IN THE AIR. WE KNOW IT, LORD, YOU ARE HERE AND YOU ARE AT WORK. AND EACH AND EVERY BROKEN STORY, FOR SURE, FATHER, GIVE US EYES TO LIVE WITH THE TRUTH THAT YOU ARE WORKING, FATHER. WE PRAISE YOUR NAME, LORD. WE LOVE YOU. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> MAN, WE LOVE YOU BOTH SO MUCH. WE GOT TO HAVE YOU BACK SOON ON CAMPUS WHEN ALL THIS IS -- HAS FLAT END OUT, LORD, WILL, AMEN. >> YEAH. >> THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANKS FOR HAVING US. WE'RE JUST WITH YOU GUYS AND CHEERING FOR YOU. KEEP GOING. >> WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE SINCE KATHERINE AND JAY MENTIONED THE SONG "WAYMAKER" THAT WE WOULD END OUR TIME THIS MORNING SINGING THAT SOMETHING. THE HERE RICKS ARE SO POWERFUL THAT SOMETIMES EVEN THOUGH WE FEEL GOD IS NOT WORKING, WE MIGHT BE IN A WAITING SEASON OR IN A HURTING SEASON, TIMES WE FEEL THAT GOD HAS ABANDONED US, BUT HE HASN'T, HE'S WORKED EVEN WHEN WE DON'T SEE IT AND GOD IS DEFINING AND MOLDING US TO LOOK MORE LIKE THE IMAGE OF THE SON. >> THANKS AGAIN FOR JOINING US FOR THIS CONVOCATION. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT KATHERINE AND JAY WOLF YOU CAN GO TO HOPEHEAT IT TO COME TO GET MORE INFORMATION THERE. JOIN US NEXT WEEK ON WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY AS WE HAVE MORE CONVOCATION GUESTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD JOINING US. ISN'T WE HAVE HAD JUST A REAL BLESSING OF HAVING PASTORS LIKE LOUIE GIGLIO, TYLER STATON, THAT WILL BE JOINING US IN THESE PIVOTAL CONVERSATIONS. HOPE TO SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
