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it's of the government's decision to promote the Parliament next week it has become an urgent matter for Parliament to discuss in particular for this house to discuss whether it can accept a No Deal exit and I therefore am asking you to grant an urgent debate under standing order 24 about that matter well I'm very grateful to the right honourable gentleman for his application which is not entirely a matter of surprise either to members of the house or to large numbers of people outside it I have heard what he said I'm familiar with his rationale and I am satisfied that the matter is proper to be discussed under the terms of standing order number 24 does the right honourable gentleman have the leave of the house [Music] the right honourable gentleman clearly enjoys the support of the house I will go further I will be my normal generous self to the Honorable gentleman the member for Wellingborough in advertising for those who didn't hear it that the Honorable gentleman was robustly objecting which he is absolutely entitled to do so people need be a no doubt that there was an objection in those circumstances it is necessary for at least 40 members to rise in their places to support the application there is a very much larger number than 40 members rising in support so the right honourable gentleman has obtained the leave of the house the debate will be held today as the first item of public business it will last for up to three hours and that is to say if it starts before seven o'clock and it will arise on a motion that the house has considered the specified matter set out in the application by the right honourable gentleman we now come to the ten-minute rule motion over the Honorable Gentiles I wouldn't even say chanting he's just sticky lating in a mildly eccentric manner from a sedentary position but I'm all agog to learn more of what he wishes to raise in his point of order point of order mr. Pete bow thank you it was really just a procedural point and I'll draw your attention to page 33 of standing orders standing ordered 24 when a standing order is notified on a Tuesday it has to be by 10:30 in the morning I inquired in the vote office after 10:30 this morning and was told that no standing order 24 application had yet been made they were expecting it so it seems to me sir that under those circumstances he could not be heard today and it should have been heard tomorrow and that was why I was trying to make the point so early on so we couldn't go through it and that seems very clear well I understand the rationale of the Honorable gentleman and I thank him for explaining his agitation to raise his point at an early stage however I must advise the Honorable gentleman that the responsibility of a member seeking to make such an application I must have missed I thought he would have known this because he's a keen partisan of parliamentary opportunities for backbenchers the responsibility of a member seeking to make such an application is to lodge that application with the speaker and I can advise the Honourable gentleman that that application was lodged with me and my office yesterday evening so it was well in time moreover I hope I carry the house with me in observing that whatever people think of the right honourable gentleman the member for Dorset West his courtesy is unsurpassed by any other member of this house and it was partly on account of that courtesy and because he wanted his intentions to be entirely intelligible that he was keen that his motion if judged orderly should be published as early as possible and it was published some hours ago so the Honourable gentleman has had a good try but I think that his efforts on this occasion on that point have been exhausted and I would suggest that the courteous thing now to do would be to proceed with the ten-minute rule motion for which the Honourable gentleman the member for cratons South has been patiently waiting ten minute rule mission Chris bill mr. speaker I beg to move that leaf be given to bring in a clean air bill to make provision about mitigating air pollution including through the use of low emission zones prohibiting vehicle idling restricting the sale of certain engine types require local authorities to undertake tree planting and take steps to promote electric propulsion systems in buses and taxis this is most unfair on the Honorable Chandler is raising the important matter may I have please appeal to honorable and right honourable members who are not as keenly attentive to the contents of the ten rule motion as I would like to be to continue their conversations outside of the chamber it's only fair that the Honorable gentleman who's booked his slot should be heard in speaking up to his cause and his constituents mr. Chris bill Thank You mr. speaker and I'm delighted to see so many colleagues attending mr. ten-minute I knew that clean air was a topic which would come on such widespread interest across the house the story of Ella kissy Deborah is a tragic one Ella lived near Lewis just 80 feet from the North Circular one of South London's most congested highways as a South London MP I can testify to the notorious congestion and pollution on that road Ella tragically died of asthma and acute respiratory failure in 2013 after experiencing three years of seizures her mother Osmond believes that pollution caused her daughter's death earlier this year the Attorney General and the High Court gave permission for a new inquest to formally investigate the link between pollution and Ella's death of course we cannot generalize from one case but the evidence suggests that Ella's mom is right about the serious health risks of air pollution and especially nitrous oxides and pertick matter in 2016 a report by the Royal College of Physicians found that air pollution cut short an estimated 40,000 lives a year in the UK the young the old and those with medical conditions are most at risk evidence to a Joint Select Committee in 2018 said that air pollution is the second largest cause avoidable cause of death after smoking the committee also found that health impacts ranged from causing premature births to respiratory and heart disease to dementia my own twins were born very prematurely at 25 weeks and reading that Select Committee report I wondered if air pollution in London contributed to their extreme prematurity the Joint Select Committee's report findings are corroborated by academic studies including published in the New England Journal of Medicine now much progress has been made since 1970 nitrous oxide and particulate pollution has reduced by around about 70 percent but the truth is we much we must do much much more and the government's clean air strategy published in January of this year recognizes that and in particular it recognizes the importance of the World Health Organization limit of 10 micrograms per cubic metre to PM 2.5 particulate s-- much lower than the EU limit of 25 but it is an inescapable fact that pollution levels in the UK are too high as a South London MP I see that in my own constituency the a23 running through Croydon which includes the pearly way is much too polluted and I'm sure many colleagues around the house particularly from urban areas have similar problems in their own constituencies now the government's clean air strategy has many commendable ideas to address this including action to fund electric vehicle charging rollout I see the Minister of State for Transport is in his place and proposed measures to it's polluting the most polluting wood-burning stoves but the clean air strategy needs to be put on a statutory footing and this Parliament needs to follow previous parliaments in passing a Clean Air Act as we did in 1956 1956 t8 and 1993 to great effect and we need to go much further I think than the measures proposed in the clean air strategy for example we should be looking at vehicle idling where cars are left while stationary with their engines running the sight of cars parked with their engine running outside schools is a sight that every parent including me finds very worrying efforts to stop this on a voluntary basis have not worked and therefore finds similar to parking tickets I think will be more effective at stopping this behavior trees mr. speaker absorb huge amounts of pollution so planting more trees in urban areas will help specifically Moss walls have been found to be particularly effective at absorbing airborne heavy metals and each section absorbs emissions equivalent to 42 diesel cars per month and speaking of diesel cars diesel cars play an especially damaging role in air pollution governments of both colors and the European Union have encouraged diesel cars over the last 20 years or 30 years because of their lower co2 emissions but they emit far more particulate and nitrous oxide emissions which hugely damage air quality on the streets where those cars are driven and it's worrying that diesel car use consequently all diesel car sales have consequently gone up from 18 percent of new car sales in 2001 to a peak of 50 percent in 2015 and this is especially problematic because the real-world emissions of diesel cars are six times higher than the emissions made in laboratory conditions and the Volkswagen scandal I think underscored the problems where they intentionally cheated the emissions testing regime it's vital we hold manufacturers like Volkswagen account for their damage they've done to our to our clean air and buses and taxis should be a particular focus because of course they're regulated often by local authorities or operated by local authorities in London only a hundred and fifty five buses out of 9,000 are fully electric whereas by contrast in China in the city of Shenzhen every single one of their 16,000 buses is electric and even Santiago in Chile has over twice the number of electric buses that London does so I'd like just like to see all of our buses and taxis be electrically operated if we do that it will cut London's transport emissions by 20% there is a great deal more that a clean air act could do I think it's of vital importance to our nation's health that we do have a clean air act and if by some great misfortune in the three or four days between now and prorogation this private member's bill does not somehow reach the statute books I extraordinary those sounds I very much hope that in a future Queen's Speech a clean air act does feature mr. speaker there are many issues that divide this house in the coming hours and days I expect we will hear a great deal of discord and disagreement in which I may well myself participate but now on this issue of clean air I hope this house may speak as one I commend this bill to the house [Applause] although the question is that the Honourable member have leaved to bring in the bill as many thought that I'm gonna say aye there's gonna be no I think the eyes have it the eyes have it who will prepare and bring in the mill James Gray Gillian Keegan Marilla Mia Marilla Maria Miller Sir Henry Bellingham Sarah Newton Harriet Harman Ellie Reeves Steve Reed Sir Edward Davey Douglas Chapman and Jim Shannon and myself sir Chris clean air number two bills second reading what day tomorrow tomorrow thank you but we now come to the motion in the name of Sir Oliver let win and others to be moved under standing order number 24 I remind the house and it is a case of reminding as reference was made to this matter only a few members ago that a paper with the terms of the motion has been distributed to move the motion I call saw Oliver let wing [Applause] Mr Speaker I rise to move the motion under standing order 24 that's in my name and in the name of many honorable right honourable members across the house this motion mr. speaker arises because of four facts the first fact is that over the last six weeks the government has not produced a single indication of any viable proposal to replace the backstop for any alternative likely to prove acceptable to the EU the likelihood of the government reaching a deal at the council meeting on the 17th and 18th of October on the terms that the government itself has set is accordingly slightly the second fact is that this is the last week in which Parliament will have the ability to block an Odile exit on the 31st of October because the government is pro-roh here until the 14th of October and the government has made clear that it will fight in the courts any legislation proposed and passed to mandate an extension of the article 50 process there will not be time after the 14th of October for Parliament both to legislate and for that legislation to be enforced on a real active government through the courts the third fact is that in the absence of a deal with the EU on the terms that the government itself was set and in the absence of an order from the Supreme Court that the government should apply to extend on the article 50 period the government will lead our country into a no deal exit on the 31st of October this has been made clear by the Prime Minister on repeated occasions and the fourth and final fact is that so far from constituting a threat to the EU that will force them to capitulate and remove the backstop the government's intention or willingness to lead the country into a No Deal exit is a threat to our country the Prime Minister is much in the position of someone standing on one side of a canyon shouting to people on the other side of the canyon that if they do not do as he wishes he will throw himself into the abyss that is not a credible negotiating strategy and it is I will in a moment and it is also not a responsible strategy given that the rest of us had to be dragged over the edge with the Prime Minister I could wake my I thanked my right humble friend I thanked my right or more friend for giving way most of us in this place would prefer a good deal trade deal to No Deal but does he not understand that in any negotiation the chances of a bad deal materially increase if you signal to the other side that you're not prepared to walk away does he not see that please these are difficult matters of judgment and I respect the judgment that my own worth in makes but it's different from mine when we were negotiating the coalition between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats which gave rise to rather good government we were sitting around wondering how to conduct those negotiations and we came to the conclusion that actually we should disobey the rules of negotiation that he's describing and offer a bold and imaginative off at the other side which was then accepted and we formed a coalition on the terms we wish to forward on by mutual Accord that is the way in which I believe these negotiations can proceed to offer a threat which actually harms us many times more than those against whom the threat is supposedly level is not as I say a credible negotiating strategy in my ear I accept that our judgments differ on this but that is my judgment it's a matter for the house to decide which of the two judgments is correct I will though may I just say before I give way to my own will friend that this is the last intervention I'll take before I move on a bit go straight go straight to this point and if he recalls the Foreign Affairs Committee report on No Deal two weeks before we gave notice under article 50 which was unanimously agreed across the committee wholly which on the merits of the issue it concluded that the damage that would be done by the failure to get an agreement between uniting in the European Union would in material terms be greater for the European Union but in proportion of terms greater for the United Kingdom where the absolute damage being represented on the other side is that state and so his negotiation why have any are very selfish but if this intervention is so long as to stop other people sort of a network well I agree with my honourable friend that the proportions are different from the absolutes but I fear that my own well friends committee's report was deficient in my view in an important respect there is a counterbalancing point from the EU s perspective and that is that actually demonstrating that it causes great pain proportionately to the country that's doing it is regarded as a significant political and ideological and geopolitical advantage we have no similar advantage in this so the threat to our prosperity in the welfare of our people is the only issue which arises whereas for them there is a positive advantage in a nerdy electorate to be balanced against the absolute and proportionately much smaller effect on their economies again my honourable friend and I may differ in this judgment that is the judgment we are asking the house to make I take the view I have espoused mr. speaker in the light of these four facts the slender chance of a deal being struck on the government's turns the fact that this is Parliament's last chance to block a No Deal exit on the 31st of October the fact that without a parliamentary block the government is willing to take us into a no deal and the fact that the prospect of such a disorderly and undemocratic No Deal exit is a threat to our prosperity and our union rather than an effective negotiating strategy in my view with the EU in the light of these four facts we are putting forward to the house today a motion the sole purpose which is to enable the house tomorrow to debate and vote on a bill and the names of the right honourable member for lead central and my right honourable friend the member for Northeast if the house votes for this motion tonight it will give itself the ability to vote for that bill tomorrow and that bill will mandate the prime minister to seek an extension to the 31st of January unless he's either got a deal in place at the end of the European Council meeting in October and his cottage agreed I was an event and has got a degree by Parliament or has got Parliament to agree to a No Deal exit by the 19th of October for giving way he said any speeches now that he thinks there is a slit only a very slender chance of a deal I disagree with him on that point but also that he wishes to block No Deal if he sees no chance a little of no chance of a deal and little or no chance of no deal what is the point of an extension to the 31st of January if it's not just to do together this again and again and again and can he not see the damage that it would do to businesses to have this process repeated at between every three months infinitum [Applause] uncertainty does create difficulty for business a No Deal exit will create a great deal more difficulty for business in my judgment the purpose of the extension which will no doubt be debated extensively tomorrow if this motion is passed and there is a debate about the Zil tomorrow is very clear it's to provide the government with the time to seek to solve this problem and to enable Parliament to help I'm afraid I won't get way again help to resolve an issue which has proved very difficult I don't say it's easy to do by the 31st of January but I am sure that it will not be done by the 31st of October we are between a rock and a hard place in this instance the hard place is better than the rock it is as simple as that it's decision time be if honorable members across the house want to prevent a No Deal exit on the 31st of October they will have the opportunity to do so if but only if they vote for this motion this evening I hope they will do so although the question is the motion as on the order paper as on the paper distributed mr. Jeremy Corbyn Thank You mr. Speaker I rise to support the motion in the name of the Honourable member for West Dorset during my time in this house every Prime Minister has accepted there can be honourable disagreements and I've had many disagreements with each and every one of them that has led to many votes in this house which haven't always been entered into with a certainty of the outcome or a victory but both sides have always done so safe in the knowledge that this Parliament is sovereign that this Parliament can act as an effective bloc on any abuse of power therefore today I'm urging all MPs from all sides to stand up for what is right to stand up for what you believe in and support this cross-party move I thank my friend does my right honorable friend agree that if we are to trust the Prime Minister that a deal is in sight he would do all he could to show evidence of the progress he has made in negotiations over the summer and publish the government's proposals I think my friend makes a very pertinent point there because in the six weeks or so since the Prime Minister took office apparently no proposals have been put to the European Union there has been no substantive negotiations and he keeps talking about the prospects of progress being made well one would have thought he'd have something practical to report to this house by this stage and so far there's not been a yes to give way to the Honourable number if a motion comes forward in the next Fulham week for a general election in October will he vote for it yes all men ready for a general election we are ready to take on this government and ready to win a general election to end austerity in poverty across this country but mr. speaker just look [Music] mr. speaker just look at what we face a government determined determined to subvert the democratic process to force through a policy which a majority of this house does not support which has been defeated emphatically twice in this house we face a government so determined to continue on its reckless path they're willing to use every trick in the book and find every loophole to try and silence this house we cannot we cannot stand idly by thoughts of the leader of the Opposition in 2015 I think I'm correct in saying that the leader of the Opposition voted for the referendum did he mean to abide by what the referendum came forward with yes the Labour opposition did support the referendum we did take part in the referendum campaign we also made it very clear in the general election that we would not countenance a No Deal exit from the European Union because of the damage it would do and so we cannot hope for another opportunity further down the line to stop this government's destructive course there is no more time they've taken it away this may be our last opportunity today Mr Speaker we must act for forgiving away many constituents as main businesses in Midlothian have contacted me they're very very worried about the grave danger of an ordeal bricks and the effect that will have could my right honourable friend see what he thinks about the effect on on our people across the country and on businesses of an audio brexit indeed I was with the Honourable member last week in Scotland and we heard all of the concerns from many people about the death of an Odile brexit particularly those that trade extensively with Europe about the damage it would do to their their business their businesses and the jobs that go with he says he wants to avoid no deal but three times he's voted against the deal what changes to the withdrawal agreement we like to see and I think I'm right in saying on two occasions I voted alongside the Prime Minister against those deals as well so what but Mr Speaker I understand that there I'll come and come back to oh there's a move I'll give away a bit later on okay I understand there are people from all sides of the house under a great deal of pressure in what is regrettably an extremely volatile political climate but if you truly trust in what all the analysis shows including the government's own analysis as was demonstrated earlier if you believe in what the experts say and you understand that a No Deal brexit will be disaster for this country then you must act now with that in mind I want to pay tribute to those who have shown the political courage to boldly stand up for what they believe in to bring this debate to the house the bullying and the threats to MPs opposite from their own side is unprecedented but let me offer some words I mean let me just offer its what I'm trying to help you let me offer you some words of encouragement standing by your principles doesn't always damage your future prospects this is the way thank you right on Doberman forgiving way but can I suggest that he's careful with his selection of evidence to Treasury the IMF the Bank of England all made predictions of doom and gloom if we voted to leave in 2016 and they said there'd be economic disaster by December by Christmas 2016 they were all wrong what's happened since is record unemployment record manufacturing output and record investment in the full knowledge that no deal is better than a bad deal I thank the member for that intervention the only problem is it flies in the face of all facts as they publish day in day out the value of the parent is falling manufacturing industry is falling and I'll come on to a number of other industries that are seriously at threat but Mr Speaker I also pay tribute to those people across all parties who've come together and continue to work to make a stand against this government's reckless and shambolic approach the prime minister says now it's not the time for Parliament to make this stand he says the chances of a brexit deal are improving and that the outlines of an agreement are in the making yet mr. speaker all the evidence points the contrary so far in its six weeks in office this government has spent more time trying to avoid scrutiny and trying to silence Parliament than focusing on getting a good deal for this country and with weeks to go until we crash out of the European Union they failed to bring forward any new proposals especially with regard to the Irish backstop even even if they had worked up new plans or presented a way forward it seems very unlikely the EU would agree to the Prime Minister's red line of scrapping the backstop as the Attorney General reportedly put it such a proposition would be a complete fan see the reality is there has been no progress made in Brussels nor is there likely to be this reckless government only has one plan to crash out of the EU without a deal at whatever price to our industry to people's jobs and to people's living standards I've given way many times on that side now we'll continue and that is why so many people across this house will stand up to say no to No Deal it's been exposed today as reported in The Telegraph which says the Prime Minister's chief of staff called negotiations a sham and the real strategy was to run down the clock that is why it's incumbent on us as members of parliament to act today voting to block No Deal will not kill the positive momentum in brexit negotiations because there is no momentum in the brexit negotiations to kill what we're asking MPs today to do is rule out playing Russian roulette with this country's future with our industry with our National Health Service and with people's jobs and livelihoods all at stake for they're trying to retain power let's not forget what no deal means for this country No Deal will decimate our manufacturing industry No Deal will destroy our agricultural sector everywhere and I'm sure my honourable friend knows that the West Midlands Grif of MP suffered lots of consultations and fight with me tomorrow again with businesses in the West Midlands because they're concerned about the implications of No Deal oh man wolf and not agree with me it is imperative we got proper deal to safeguard the millions of jobs knocked down a country but potatoes did company indeed my friend is right the West Midlands will be particularly hard-hit because so much of its industry relies on just-in-time deliveries from the continent as well as exports to them and a manufacturing process that if any interruption happens whatsoever there is chaos immediately at the point of reduction as well as the transport system that supplies those places there has to be some realistic understanding in this house of the implications of a No Deal brexit on the West Midlands as well as on other parts of this country no dip right no I've given way many times to many people and I'm sure the Honourable member will make a wonderful contribution when he gets to make his speech No Deal threatens peace and stability in Northern Ireland and threatens our policing and counterterrorism cooperation with Europe No Deal will mean food shortages and medical shortages and it will bring chaos to our ports and transport networks when earlier on we had a minister at the despatch-box proudly telling us that a thousand more staff have been employed in order to deal with congestion that will be happening at the Channel ports isn't that an indication of the government's own admission of what the problems are going to be by leaving with No Deal our economy is already fragile the economy contracted in the last quarter manufacturing has contracted at the fastest pace for seven years and a No Deal would accelerate that decline now is not the time as I said to play Russian roulette with our economy these aren't the warnings mr. speaker of some ultra remain group these are warnings outline in the government's own assessment and the warnings of leading industry figures you don't have to take my word for it you don't have to us to me if you don't want to instead instead listen to the likes of make UK who represent 20,000 UK manufacturing industry companies who said leaving without a deal would be and I quote the height of economic lunacy to the National Farmers Union which said a No Deal would and I quote have a devastating impact on British food and farming and must be avoided at all costs or listen to a British Medical Association which has made it clear and again I quote the consequences of No Deal could have potentially catastrophic consequences for patients the health workforce and services and the nation's health we must listen to what every sector of society is telling us regarding the damage of a No Deal brexit and what it will do to our society and our economy if we as a parliament don't make this stand today there may not be another opportunity it may simply be too late we must listen to those warnings if people in the house know better than a B ma the N F you make UK about their own sectors or no better than the trade unions that represent people working in those plants and delivery facilities all over a country they should say so now I've met trade unionists all over the country over the last few months and spoken to the tea you see about it they're all deeply worried about the continued job losses in manufacturing because of the uncertainty that no deal will bring I understand there will be some concerns regarding a potential bill which may follow this debate some concern from members across the house that supporting such a bill would be an attempt to block brexit or reversing the results of the 2016 referendum that is actually not the case this bill this bill does not close other options to resolve the brexit impasse this bill is about preventing a damaging No Deal which this government has no mandate for and for which there is very little public support the bill is designed purely to provide vital breathing space to find an alternative way through the brexit mess this and the previous government have created today mr. speaker is another historic day in Parliament it's our chance to seize this last opportunity to stand up to a bullying government that has shown itself ready to dodge scrutiny and silence debate if we do not act today we may not get another chance whether people voted leave or remain they did not vote to shut down democracy as the very large numbers of people who were on the streets last Saturday from both leave and remain views were very concerned about the way in which this government is trying to shut down debate shut down democracy and lead us into what I believe would be the problems of a No Deal brixey so Mr Speaker I urge I urge all MPs today to do what they believe to be right for their constituents their jobs their living standards and their communities and support this proposal today that we may debate the bill tomorrow and prevent a No Deal brexit with all the damage this would do to our community and our society leader of the house mr. Jacob Riis MOG Thank You mr. speaker and it's a pleasure to be speaking in this debate brought to us by the right honourable gentleman the member for Dorset West and to follow of course the leader of Her Majesty's opposition the Prime Minister has said including in his statement earlier this government is absolutely committed to delivering brexit on the 31st of October we must deliver the largest Democratic mandate in the nation's history delivering the referendum result requires this house respect the voice of the people as expressed in that historic vote and so far the house has failed to do so and now instead of backing the Prime Minister and giving him the best possible chance of securing a deal before the UK leaves the European Union on the 31st of October we find ourselves debating a proposition that seeks to confound the referendum results again mr. speaker I wish to be clear what is proposed today is constitutionally irregular and I will post it I'm grateful for in giving away could you remind the house how many times did he vote against the deal the deal is dreadful it's why the Prime Minister is getting a better one if only the house would match him this is a regular both in terms of the approach to allowing sa twenty fours on substantive motions and in terms of the subversion of parliaments proper role in scrutinizing and the executive in initiating I give way to the Honourable lady grateful to the right honourable gentleman for allowing me to intervene upon him and he will know the importance of the Good Friday Agreement to the people of North No and he will also know as a unist that without a deal there will be an inevitable hardening of the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northland which will incentivize Shin Finn to agitate for a border poll to take Northland under the United Kingdom and into the Republic of Ireland into united Ireland the right of a judgement defend the indefensible because Mr Speaker I simply disagree with the Honourable lady that there would have to be a political desire to impose a hard border and neither the United Kingdom nor the government of the Republic of Ireland has such a desire oh of course I'll be way over gentlemen I find the right honorable gentleman for giving way I appreciate that I have a certain fondness for him from our time and they are in our committee some years ago I'll tell the noble gentleman what is constitutionally irregular and that is shutting down parliament shutting down to bay and shutting down the ability of any government so can the right honourable gentleman tell me when it was that he became aware of the Prime Minister's plan to shut down and in order to force through because papers in the quota session today suggest it was the Prime Minister's plan on the 16th of August mr. speaker as Poland's not being shot down cannot be shot down I could not be aware of plans to do something that is not happening my right honourable friend will be aware that the majority of members colleagues voting are against the government tonight voted to trigger article 50 which said that we would leave the EU with or without a deal it was very simple very clear which bit does he think they now don't understand I think they don't like losing referendums and they never accepted it but I must come back to the constitutional issue because this motion risks subverting Parliament's proper role in scrutinizing and the executive in initiating and mr. speaker you particularly have a grave responsibility which I know you are well aware to uphold the norms and conventions that underpin our Constitution but we all have a role to play and it does considerable damage when some of us choose to subvert rather than reinforce to hinder rather than to polish our constitutional I thank the the leader of the house for giving away and he's talking about the alleged subversion of democracy I'm gonna ask it very very clearly he seemed to not answer the honorable gentlemen along the way on what date did he first become aware of the plan to Parag parliament and secondly could he tell us whether any officials from his office 10 Downing Street others whether political advisers or civil servants have been conducting communications away from normal channels in such a way but that would not comply with the terms of candor and disclosure necessary for the court proceedings which are currently taking place if people were carrying out discussions without candor I wouldn't know about them so I thought it wouldn't be able to tell the Honourable gentleman if that happened or not but I carry out all my discussions with candor and if anybody is interested the Privy Council function is reported in the court record you wonderful friend my right on my life home friend is being extremely generous and I'm grateful to him for giving way if we were to leave the EU on a No Deal basis effectively that would mean that we would operate on WTO rules given that the EU currently operates with a number of countries on WTO rules including the US China Russia Argentina Australia New Zealand and many other countries would my right on repent agree with me that we should not be as fearful to trade on WTO rules outside the EU given that we are already trading on WTO rules in the ear and the friend makes a brilliant and incisive point and he is absolutely right so we need to examine what is being put forward to the house and to consider this very concerning and odd aspect that it is actually being permitted in the first place that was not mr. speaker at essay 24 in the approach we are taking as you know I take an interest in the rules of the house I knew he wanted he was very perfect courtesy they're grateful I was just astonished to hear him agree that would be perfectly all right proceeding of WTO rules the seat said the WTO rules will require the European Union to apply tariffs against our agriculture fisheries and much of our manufacturing in line with the tariffs impose against other third-party countries and WTO rules will require us to have a closed border in Ireland to order to inform a opening those restrictions you can't have it one way love you either obey the WGA rules or you ignore those as well them you telling us some fatten it never Neverland you're going into but you don't simply accept calmly the argument that WTO rules would do no damage to our economy I must confess mr. speaker I am surprised by my right on ruler need friends astonishment because I've been making the case for WTO rules for some time it has been a very sensible way to proceed and will allow us to carry on trading as we do with many other countries but my rival would say which I'm most grateful to my right honourable friend for giving way he says that the houses role is one of scrutiny and I agree and yet does he not see that there is an incompatibility between that scrutiny and in fact taking steps through prorogation to deprive us of the effective opportunity of carrying it out and when considering that he may also agree with me that so much in this house depends on trust how can we have trust when have already been a number of examples of the government making inaccurate statements such as for example that the papers prepared for its briefing in yellow hammer with a the product of a previous administration when they were not and secondly and perhaps most personally over prorogation when it appears that the facts as stated by the government as to the reasons of prera Gatien have turned out to be entirely inaccurate now causing the government considerable difficulties over its duty of candor in litigation now when you aggregate all that together perhaps my right honourable friend might forget to understand why many of us have finally decided that this mistake actually [Music] my right honourable friend is very landed but his learning doesn't always lead him in the right direction the prera Gatien is completely routine the opposition front bench when I was first and indeed last at this despatch box was asking for the session to be brought to an end we were merely being are obliging selves mr. speaker in leading forth to a new kid speech in the general course of events in due course because we always like to hear from the Honorable gentleman the member for the Rhondda who informs and educates us when he speaks but I don't have to wait mr. speaker for this informing and educating we are all basing our breath for it but I like to keep people on tenterhooks for the time being because I wish to talk about asking may our old friend and this sets out Mr Speaker your role and the chief characteristic attached to the office of speaker in the House of Commons our authority and impartiality and it would be disorderly wrong and not my intention to question your impartiality but like the umpires at Edgbaston who saw each of their decisions sent for a view and overturned accepting somebody's impartiality is not the same as accepting their infallibility and it is worth noting what a wise and scholarly speaker once said indeed this wise and scholarly speaker said as recently as last year that a debate held under standing order number 24 could only be held on a substantive and amendable mission if the standing order is itself amended in April 2008 in the light of to emergency debates on the UK's decision to take military action in Syria you yourself said it is perfectly open to the house to amend standing order number 24 of which there is some uncertainty and often in comprehension it could be amended to allow for the tabling of substantive motions in circumstances of emergency which could also be amendable and on which the house could vote if there are any members who are interested in that line of inquiry they could usefully raise it with the chair of the procedure committee as far as I am aware no change has been made to standing order 24 yet the decision has changed various said metropolis simper dictum but now I will give way to the Honourable gentleman well the leader of the house said earlier that Parliament isn't being suspended but actually in this case it is he knows perfectly well that select committees will not be able to sit there will be absolutely no proceedings of Parliament as according to the Bill of Rights there'll be no proceedings of Parliament whilst Parliament is boroughs I want Parliament's borough but I only wanted two baroque for four or five days so that we can do our job of scrutinizing the government through proceedings in Parliament that's the point we want the Queen speech but we want to be able to come back and do our job just be carnauba lentil Munoz the proceeds of this has only two well he knows that we were about to go in some cases to the seaside for party conferences in the case of my party to a major city centre and that is why we are taking three four or five days of parliamentary time and simply going over the abnormal recess that is not in any sense an abuse and I'll give way to my honourable friend Thank You mr. speaker we go for the lead a forgiving way could he go back to his point about standing order 24 I mean it does seem to me he's absolutely quite quite correct to the speaker in his previous statement correct that this could not be honest of protecting the substantive motions though this motion is carried tonight which appears to be substantive motion it seems to me the government would have every right to Clara ultra virus and ignore it order I know that the Honorable gentleman won't presume to argue with the judgment of the chair entitled as he is to the possession and expression of his opinion and what I would say to the Honorable gentleman in order to help him and to assist the leader of the house is this if in the judgment of the chair emotion understanding order number 24 is expressed in neutral terms it will not be open to amendment if it is judged to be expressed in neutral terms the reality of the matter is there have been previous occasions upon which there have been standing order number 24 motion debates which have contained what I would prefer to call evaluative motions notably with which I feel sure the leader is familiar on the 18th of March 2013 and on the 11th of December 2018 it is in conformity with that practice that I have operated I have taken advice of a professional kind and I am entirely satisfied that the judgment that I have made is consistent with that advice my attitude is simply to seek to facilitate the house the leader rightly referred to my responsibility which was grave and solemn I completely accept that as well as I accept his right his own view about my judgment in this matter I have sought to exercise my judgment in discharging my responsibilities to facilitate the House of Commons to facilitate the legislature I have done it I am doing it and I will do it to the best of my ability without fear or favor to coin a phrase come what may do or die I'm grateful I'm grateful as always mr. speaker for your contribution to the debate and it is always very useful that your words should be referred to and reminded to the house where it was suggested by you that this matter should be referred to the procedure committee and the motion amended which it hasn't been there is so much to say and so little time others will want to speak this motion in a number of ways is extraordinary I would cost give way for the Honorable learnedly gentleman for giving way I wonder if I might go back to the mattress by the right honorable members of veterans field it was revealed in court this morning in a case raised in my name and that seventy other members of this house that on the 16th of August the prime minister agreed to a suggestion that Parliament should be prorogued on the 9th of September but on the 25th of August the number-10 spokesperson said the claim the government is considering true rogue in Parliament in September in order to stop MPs debating briggsie is entirely false Regis does the right honourable gentleman it says that the spokesperson misled MPs and the public on the 25th of August I'm sorry to say mr. speaker that the most obvious understanding of the ordinary use of the English language which normally the Honourable lady is pretty good at makes it quite clear that the two statements are entirely compatible the Prarie gation is the normal prayer occasion to have a new session it is not to stop debate on matters related or community it is a pulse of pleasure to give way to the humble gentleman the member for the healing and and yar thank you very much for giving way that long but gently forgiving me now the owner I own whatever spoke a Labour candle and the need for candid means that he has to accept that when it comes to WTO all countries bar about three in the world are in regional trade associations and mostly that aren't a roughly sell Sudan Somalia and East Timor probably enjoyed my heart breaks it comes by the UK but given that these countries every other bar three are in regional trade associations that means they don't exclusively trade a WTO so the place that he talks about when he talks about WTO he's taking the UK to a place of exclusively Clayton on WTO which has moving out the free trade was 500 million people they make trade more expensive than 500 million people that's his policy now the other question did he know by predication the 16th of August 16th of August I was at Lord's watching a game of cricket and as it was one of the days when it rained but only WTO issue our trade with the United States on WTO terms and I know the Honorable gentleman's an expert in these matters has grown faster since the creation of the single market than our trade with European Union but I understand my right on the friend wish- I'm very grateful to my right forgiving ray I understand his views and his concerns about the constitutional supposed constitutional irregularity of these proceedings and no doubt in the future all these things can be debated will he accept that we stand as a nation at present at a moment which will have a profound effect on the welfare of our people and that the sovereign Parliament of this country clearly deserves an opportunity to be able to decide whether it will accept a policy of No Deal exit or not and that that overwhelmingly matters more than whether the standing order 24 B Clause with we're in it miss crafted in all probability by the then leader of the House has a particular meaning or does not have a particular meaning there is mr. speaker I'm sorry to says stunning arrogance to that view [Applause] where sovereignty come strong so I do indeed dare to say this and I say that to the right honourable gentleman old order order order I recognize that there are strongly held views on both sides of us on all aspects of this matter but the leader of the house must be heard the leader mr. speaker sovereignty in this house comes from the British people and the idea that we can overrule seventeen point four million people is preposterous [Applause] the idea that our rules do not exist to protect the people from arrogant power grabs is mistaken those people I have given way so many times and too many distinguished members and it is now time to come on to this motion which is extraordinary and unprecedented Parliament is attempting to set aside standing order number 14 to give precedence to the EU withdrawal number six Bell this motion goes further and seeks to claim an unknown and unquantified number of subsequent days for consideration of Lords amendments and messages it is a fundamental principle that government is able to transact its business in this house a principle this house has long accepted in standing order number fourteen this motion also sets aside in a new parliamentary session the Standing Orders that apply in relation to the presentation of private member's bills the motion would allow a designated member few of the Illuminati who are taking the pass to themselves to give notice of presentation of this bill on the first day of the new session and then provide time for debate on this bill on the second day of the new session interrupting the Queen's Speech there is an established process for the house debating the Queen's Speech a process that this bill would undermine while the out Glory's bill has its first reading just before the start of the Queen's Speech debate this bill is only read of first time as a formality and not debated to interrupt the Queen's speech to debate a backbench bill such as the one proposed in this motion would be unprecedented the government has an obligation to bring forward its business and the Queen's Speech and the debate that follows is one of the great set pieces of the parliamentary calendar where government is rightly scrutinized and held to account and this is being interrupted I give way to the very patient honorable gentleman tonight other gentleman forgiving we've I want to come back to a point made by the Honorable gentleman from wailing breath but Alma gentlemen said quite a lot as a black city are there we would be taking back control of our laws so can we be crystal clear at the despatch-box tonight the f the bill passes in best house in passes in other we the government will not stop that getting royal I saying if we're taking back control of the laws the law will be followed this country is a country that follows the rule of law and this government assiduously follows constitutional conventions unlike some other could only be described as a breathtaking intervention by the member for West Dorset just now and in support of my right honourable friend's assertion that it is weighed with great arrogance would my right honourable friend be good enough to confirm that in fact the referendum bill as enacted is a sovereign act of Parliament which deliberately gave the right to the British people and not to the British Parliament to make the decision on the pressure remain the Honorable gentleman is of course right and we report to the British people anyway they are our bosses and they honorable lady been so patient like to thank him for giving way that's the bigger picture the Prime Minister made it very clear in a speech last night and in a statement today that his preferred outcome is to leave with a deal camillino the house confirms that that is also his preferred outcome and the infidel is agreed at the next European Council sufficient time will be made in this chamber to make sure that we've legislated for backtick the Honourable lady is absolutely right and I can say both personally and as bound by collective responsibility that I am in favour of a deal we must we must allow other people to speak I I see that timed winged chariot is speeding away and therefore I must get on to the separation of powers well gentleman wants me to carry on all night I'll do my best but the debate we are having today goes to the heart of our Constitution and the roles of the executive and Parliament these are metal matters of careful balance it is for government by virtue of its ability to command the confidence of this house to exercise executive power this includes the order of business and bringing forward legislation it is for Parliament to scrutinize to amend reject or to approve indeed the scrutiny of the executive is one of the core functions of parliament these complementary and distinctive roles are essential to the functioning of the Constitution ministers are of course accountable to Parliament for their decisions and actions and Parliament can make clear its views it is not however for Parliament to undertake the role and functions of the executive constitutional convention is that executive power is exercised by Her Majesty's Government which has a Democratic mandate Govan that mandate is derive from the British people and represented through this house and mr. speaker when we look at this Constitution we are protected by our rules and by our orders and by our conventions we will remember from a man from all seasons that it is those rules those laws those conventions that protect us from the winds of tyranny and if we take away those protections as the right honourable gentleman proposes we lose our protections and it is therefore on the basis of this convention that the government not Haarlem n't is responsible for negotiations with the European Union Parliament as a whole cannot negotiate for the UK this is the role of the government in exercising executive power to give effects to the will of the nation these roles are fundamental and underpin the country's uncodified Constitution the government draws power from Parliament the government draws power from Parliament but the government the government the government may at any time be removed by the tried and tested motion of a confidence debate and the fact that Parliament has not been willing to go down this route the fact that the opposition are afraid of this route the fact that the opposition run away from the confidence may proof is because they do not dare have the leader of the Opposition at the head of the government they are frightened the Honourable lady says there is time let me say as leader of the house that if they want an operation of confidence this government will always make time for it and obey the constitutional convention but they are afraid they are white with fear because they did the right honourable gentleman to be in 10 Downing Street and I will now give way to my own little friend I'm very grateful to my right on the pool or honourable friend will he agree with me that if this house succeeds in stripping our prime minister of the key negotiating card of a new deal the likelihood of our that outcome will be that much accentuated thank you yes it makes for negotiations much harder my honourable friend is right absolutely right but now let us turn to the substance of what we are debating ostensibly the purpose of the bill is to stop no deal but the government wants a deal we are willing to sit down with the Commission and EU Member States to talk about what needs to be done and to achieve a deal this must involve the accession of the anti-democratic backstock the government has also been clear that we must respect the referendum results and the UK will be leaving the EU on the 31st of October whatever the circumstances unless and until the EU agrees to negotiate we will be leaving with no deal on the 31st of October my right honourable friend the trance of the Duchy of Lancaster has made a statement earlier today in which he informed the house of all that is being done to ensure we are ready for all eventualities the good boy scouts that we are we are prepared and I will definitely give way to honourable lady [Music] for giving way does he not realize that in Prague in Parliament for five weeks which is the longest propagation right in the middle of a political crisis that there has been since 1945 his government and he have deliberately prevented scrutiny that would be legitimate in this house hence the situation we find ourselves in now and will he when he gets back but put that despatch-box confirm that if this bill is passed through this house and passes the other place he will speed the Royal Assent and his government will not act against the law mr. Danzig mr. speaker but it's one of the Constitution isit is that some Majesty's Government it's not mine and it is led by my Rhydon friend the member for Oxbridge but the important issue here is that prorogation is a routine start for a new session we are losing a similar number of days a similar number of days that we would lose for a normal prayer again I will give way to the I'm afraid the Honourable lady I will give way to her but she is trumped momentarily by the chairman of the brexit selection ISM extremely grateful to the leader of the house for giving way now that the speaker has made it clear that there is nothing irregular at all about his acceptance of this motion and given that I presume the leader of the house accepts that the house is in charge of its own procedures how can there be anything constitutionally irregular if the house chooses to pass this motion and then the bill tomorrow in the house choosing to instruct the government that there is an outcome to the brexit negotiations that the house is not prepared to accept which is leaving without a deal well gentlemen conflates irregular in proper this is unquestionably irregular even though it is not improper and the two are different concepts which the right honourable gentleman I'm so fully understands it is of course for this house to regulate its own proceedings but a fundamental principle of our Constitution is that the government commands the confidence of this house if this are from a secretary position an honourable gentleman says it doesn't now that is the lock that would undo this constitutional canal because the house dare not say it has no confidence in the government it is frightened of that and therefore it tries to take away confidence on specifics whilst maintaining confidence in the generality that is not a proper constitutional position to be and I very difficult to choose her to giving wage of I promised the Honourable lady he has referred many times in his speech to the accountability and within that vein of accountability can I ask him a simple question on what date did he become aware of the Prime Minister's attention to Prague Parliament is I been asked I have been asked that question and I understand there are papers in court and I I don't know when I was told that this was happening now I didn't have together I had to get a flight I had to get a flight up to Aberdeen for a meeting of the Privy Council but without consulting my diary and my telephone records I would not wish to say something that was inaccurate but let us get back to what what is happening here I was saying that we are the good Boy Scouts we are well prepared for leaving with or without a deal and it is absurd for MPs to attempt to bind the hands of the Prime Minister as he seeks to agree a deal they can support a head of the European Council Europe the European Union withdrawal bill makes it harder to deliver the two things the public wants from brexit certainty is one of them and for it to be delivered the bill does not do this it is nothing but legislative legerdemain and a vehicle for extension after extension I'll give regulable a Dean has been very patient my constituents asleep a North High converted overwhelming to lead to leave and are very concerned about the bill proposed for tomorrow the basic that they can see would lot brighter could my honorable friend confirm my understanding that if if this bill were to pass the options available would be to the EU and they would be to one agree a largely pointless three-month extension which would Sir Thomas certainly be repeated to offer a deal of their choice not a negotiated by our government or no deal doesn't right and will friend agree with me but that is not taking back control for this Parliament or for this government but ceding it entirely to Brussels my honourable friend is absolutely right because what is happening is a deliberate attempt to say the seed for an extension long enough for a second rep referendum or simply to stop us leaving at all it is about denying brexit and the fact that the bill mandates updates on negotiations and motions on those updates on a railing 28 day basis clearly envisages either a lengthy extension of possibly indefinite vassalage and these seeds could grow into legislation to be introduced on the 15th of January the 12th of February and then every 28 days thereafter to command the government to hat take specific actions the aim is to create a marionette government in which there is only nominal confidence and it defies the convention in what we are doing today a convention of great importance that emergency legislation is only passed when there is a consensus government's less benign than this one in future may learn from this process and ran through any legislation they feel like without consensus emergency legislation is something those on the opposition benches should be very careful about for they may find they are the wrong end of it in future and we should be trying to help the prime minister in his chance to negotiate not trying to bind him hand and foot not only do we want to be the vassal state of the European Union we wish to send the Prime Minister bound hand foot to go in negotiate with them mr. speaker you will be glad to know mr. speaker that I am drawing gently to a close and never I fear the time for interventions except from my very old friend the Honorable lady right honourable lady and the chairman of the very distinguished committee that she's chairman or distinctive comments there's a serious point here we are a representative democracy not a direct democracy and I take that judgment seriously as I know do colleagues across the house the government does not have a majority we are in uncharted constitutional territory so it is absolutely right and proper that we exercise our judgment in the interests of the country to avoid at the very least a No Deal brexit so for all of the talk from the Honorable member right honourable member we must exercise that judgment that is what we're doing it is entirely responsible I'm afraid I disagree with the Honorable lady and I must confess I'm astonished that she's not a right honourable then something must have gone wrong with the Privy Council of which I am now Lord president is not to be the case Honourable member from Ronda feels he has also not been justly promoted I am sorry but I think the leader of the house was planning to invite the Honourable lady to join him in Balmoral far as I'm aware I'm not sure it makes a great deal of difference in the immediate circumstance the leader of the house Thank You mr. speaker but I'm afraid the Honourable lady is wrong because there is a routine constitutional procedure to deal with that and that is the vote of confidence and yes we are a representative body but where does our sovereignty come from and here I'm an agreement with the Scots sovereignty comes from the people to Parliament we hold it in trust for them and they gave us an instruction and if we follow this route we are left with but three options we then have to accept the deal with its anti-democratic backstop we have to keep on extending but because Parliament would never accept that we are ready to leave or we could simply revoke until seventeen point four million people that they were wrong the approach taken today is the most unconstitutional use of this house since the days of Charles Stewart Parnell when he tried to bang up Parliament usurping the executives rights is unconstitutional the abuse of emergency debates to do so is unconstitutional and the bill itself is yet more unconstitutional av dicey said all conventions have one ultimate object to secure the Parliament or the cabinet shall in the long run give effect the will of the people these conventions are being disregarded today and so by extension is the will of the nation Parliament sets itself against the people sovereignty comes from the people to Parliament it does not come to Parliament out of a void if Parliament tries to challenge the people this stretches the elastic of our Constitution near to breaking point we should recognize that the people are our masters and show us to be their leashes and servants not to place ourselves in the position of their overlords as we come to vote today I hope all members mr. speaker will contemplate the current constitutional confusion and consider the chaos this concatenation of circumstances could create Sir Ian Blackbird Thank You mr. speaker it is a pleasure to follow the leader of the house I should remind them that Lord Koopa and the quarter session said the parliamentary sovereignty is a purely English concept that has no counterpart in Scottish constitutional history and spoke earlier the people are sovereign and that of course will be a matter of importance as the people of Scotland decide what their future will be I have to say mr. speaker that I'm rather surprised by the great wonderful gentleman who's always been a student of the rights of this house because the harsh reality is the reason that we're in the situation that Parliament has been Perrault is because the Prime Minister has instructed three stooges to go to bar morale to give an instruction to the Queen to shut this place down and throw all these pronouncements that this is normally it most certainly is not normal for Parliament to be prolonged for five weeks and we know the simple reason it's because the government is running away from the powers and responsibilities that this house has it is shameful it is disgraceful and in that regard I'm deeply honored and privileged to endorse the motion in the name of the member for West Dorset mr. speaker today the Scottish Government has launched an ambitious programme for government aimed at tackling climate change building a fuel economy reducing inequality and improving the lives of citizens across Scotland mr. speaker a government getting on with its D job into government yet still focused on making life better for those in Scotland but how government in Holyrood is stepping up to meet the challenges facing both Scotland in the world Westminster is quite literally shutting down that is very much a tale of two governments yeah well the SNP is doing everything he to move Scotland forward the threat to our economy and society from the right-wing brexit er cabal occupying bowling Street cannot be mitigated mr. speaker they must they will be stopped a sham is what reports say of the Prime Minister's advisers have called his EU negotiation strategy running down the clock it's what The Telegraph is reporting those close to the prime minister say his FATA G is a complete fantasy reports say the Attorney General advising the prime minister of his approach to the backstop mr. speaker the tall tales of this Prime Minister are being exposed by the media by the minute sources are exposing the smoke and mirrors behind those playing games at number 10 does the Prime Minister think this is a game if so it is he very very dangerous game make no mistake the Prime Minister is acting like a dictator shutting down Parliament ripping up democracy and silencing the people I give away gentleman for giving away and he's making some very strong points and would he agree with me that if the government was serious about negotiating and there were serious negotiations going on then the negotiation team wouldn't have been cut to a quarter of the size of what it was under the previous Prime Minister and you wouldn't have meetings going on where the chief negotiator is saying that the rationale for talking to the brexit team in the EU is domestic political handling my honourable friend is absolutely correct it is a complete sham to say that negotiations are taking place this is simply a government that's driving us towards no deal and Parliament thankfully is standing up for its rights the Prime Minister seems to have forgotten in this place we have been elected to represent the will of our constituents and we on these benches have been elected to serve the people of Scotland the people of Scotland who have overwhelmingly voted to remain in the European Union yet this Prime Minister by prorogue in Parliament has decided to ignore the will of the Scottish people sightline their entry and silence their voices and I say to the Scottish Conservative members don't stop Scotland in the back tonight stand together with us for once for once stand up for Scotland's interests while the Prime Minister clearly thinks he can do whatever he wants with Scotland and get away with it the SNP is here today to tell him that we aren't having it since coming to office the Prime Minister has not given Parliament the opportunity to debate the constitutional crisis facing these islands and despite Parliament previously ruling out leaving on an audio basis the Prime Minister is peddling us towards the cliff edge reskin in audio brexit risking jobs risking food and medicine supplies the population of the United Kingdom being threatened by this government the first observation however this government it's amazing how much that enthralled to the date given to them by Donald Tusk of the 31st of October but it's now become sacrosanct for brexit ears the EU did but the other thing that strikes me with this governments they're looking to have a jingoistic pre hard brexit election but they're fearing a post brexit election when there are empty shelves and lakhs of medicines because a lack of lack of food on the shelves and a lack of medicines do not election victories make and they would be decimated after they do the damage so they want to cut and run and see think it over the line before they do the damage my honourable friend is is correct and the responsibility that this house has is to make sure that we don't have the catastrophe of an ordeal brexit to protect us from that risk and yes we want an election but we want an election safe and the knowledge that would protected their citizens from a No Deal breaks that that is the right thing to do and let's remind ourselves that the Prime Minister hasn't been elected by the people he's been put in power by conservative members he should put himself in front of the people but let's in the first case work together work collectively to remove that cliff of the 31st of October we don't you can very clearly as I do that on the 2nd of April 2016 we were told by the current Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster that went the day after we vote to leave the EU we will hold all the carbs does that know what simply sure that this government is being run by a hopeless naive group of fantasies I have to say it grieves me to see what has taken place because in effect what has happened with the election of the Prime Minister that we've had the vote leave campaign no road no runs of government and the harsh reality is that conservative sitting on the back benches that are prepared to put our national interest before party interests are going to be forced out their party what has happened mr. speaker is that the Tory party have been taken over by a cult and that does nothing absolutely nothing for our democracy No Deal just as my constituents have nothing behind my No Deal he's absolutely right to say that this bill is required as an assurance policy against that No Deal but would he also agree that anything that dissolves Parliament before the 31st of October whether it is through prorogation a jingoistic election as Helen are suggested would put at risk our constituents because there just is not the time to put all the legislation their preparations in place that insurance policy before the 31st of October I think my honourable friend is right to signify that we are facing a constitutional crisis and I want to applaud members of parliament right across this house that have worked together over the course of the last few weeks collectively because we understand the risk that there is to our economy we understand the risk that there is to our communities and thank goodness that members of parliament have shown that desire to work across and we in the SNP have made it clear that we will work with everyone else we will make sure that we remove that cliff edge we have done that consistently ever since 2016 we want an election but we want an election when we can get to that safe landing place that we have that New Deal taking off the table at the 31st of October but I see this and I no mean no way do I mean it as a threat to anyone in this house the people of Scotland deserve the right to be able to determine their own future we cannot allow ourselves to be taken out of the European Union against our will we have a mandate from the 2016 Scottish election to deliver a referendum for the people of Scotland and it is absolutely right so the people of my country that want to remain as a European nation should have that choice and the Prime Minister and his brexit ear cohorts are not going to drive Scotland out of the European Union I'll give me one more time for giving way does he like me feel somewhat disrespected tonight by the contribution of the leader of the house who's disrespected our speaker and his decisions and everybody who has supported this motion I'm proud to have my name on here very proud to stand with people who are willing to put country before party country before self I wasn't sent here by my constituents to make them poorer to put their jobs a tree and their healthcare and I think that's our overriding priority that we are here to stop a No Deal brexit this isn't about whether we remain errs or break cities many people who voted for brexit would continue to do so but not for a No Deal brexit I believe there is no majority in the country or in this house for a No Deal bread bracelet which is a disaster for out the people of this country Oh Nations I think the Honourable lady makes a very passionate case and we must reflect on what is in the yellowhammer document it is not made up it is not anybody on this side of the house it is the government that recognizes the risks that there are to the people of the United Kingdom when you have when you have a government that is telling us that there is a potential risk the food supplies when you have a government that is telling us that there is a rest - medical supplies for those in particular that need epilepsy drugs and good grief contained within the document it talks about the limited risk - water supplies for hundreds of thousands of people just think about this think about a government that's telling the people of the United Kingdom that we cannot guarantee that you're going to have a water supply what on earth are we doing mr. speaker the nub of this is it's nYSSA's about ideology and however people voted in the brexit referendum they certainly didn't vote for this and when you consider that the tragedy published a document last year that showed that he nor do brexit could reduce GDP over a 15-year period by something close to ten percent just dwell on this you're talking about an impact on the economy that's four times greater than the economic crisis of 2008 the economic crisis that had any decade of austerity it is the height of irresponsibility the height of irresponsibility for any politician to think that we should be supporting No Deal Britain constituents on the dole mr. speaker unemployment is never a price worth paying but the government are prepared to put the people of the United Kingdom on the door we will not sit back and allow that to happen one last time and then I'll make progress right on magenta for giving ways making a very passionate case as to why No Deal will be such a disaster does he agree with me that we have to once and for all dispense with this notion that it's some bargaining chip and these negotiations shooting yourself in the foot because you don't get what you want is not a negotiating position grateful to the honorable gentleman that is absolutely correct it is delusional and they should start telling the truth to people there will be no with this one one last time one last last time I think my right honourable friend for giving way but does he agree with me that what we hear from Europe is there isn't actually any proposal on the table from the government anyway so there has been no serious negotiation to get a deal and it's all literally a fairy tale and a chance mr. believes what he was asked several times today by members in this house to tell us what proposition that the government's making there is not it's a sham this is he government that's heading us towards the cliff edge of a new deal that is the reality mr. speaker the deepening of the Democratic deficit under the Prime Minister is despicable this decision is an outrageous assault on basic democratic principles and yet the Prime Minister and his cronies will argue that this is normal a suspension he argues is quite right and proper what ridiculousness now I know the Prime Minister has never been one to deal in facts but let me make it clear for members in the last 40 years Parliament has never been paroled for longer than three weeks mr. speaker in most cases it has been promoted for only a week or less to try and argue that five weeks is normal and for being polite is disingenuous so mr. speaker the reason that we are here today why we want for a better phrase are taking back control of the order paper we are doing this on a cross-party basis to stop the Prime Minister from running down the clock and obstructing the right of our MPs our democratic right to debate to vote and to represent the will of the people that send us to display the shameful Act and the Prime Minister is because he knows there is no majority here for a No Deal brexit because he know there is no support from the public for a New Deal brexit because he knows what we all know and no do brexit is catastrophic for the lives of citizens across these islands just an office and the Prime Minister is toying with their democratic processes Ruth Fox director of the hand South Society said it was an affront to parliamentary democracy and why mr. speaker because he the Prime Minister wants things his own way and at any cost the real reason he can't bear for Parliament to sit and debate is because he knows he does not have the majority to support his disastrous plans to destroy our economy with a new deal for exit what an embarrassment to parliamentary democracy well mr. speaker the Prime Minister cannot stop MPs doing their jobs we will be heard and democracy must be respected just last week I was proud that my party signed the declaration alongside MPs across party in charge ops warning the government and I caught any attempt to prevent Parliament from sitting to force through a new deal brexit will be met by strong and widespread Democratic resistance has the Prime Minister still not listened even today a group of cross party politicians are in Edinburgh for a full hearing of the Court of Session attempting to prevent the Prime Minister from provoking parla my honourable colleague the member for n bro Southwest has already called on the prime minister to sway nor knows his reason for the protonation of parliament well the prime minister knew so well yeah I think we know the answer to that we also have a group of experts in the constitutional law Human Rights and justice rating in The Times arguing that the recent decision to prolong Parliament sets a dangerous precedent and furthermore is incompatible with executive accountability to Parliament as prescribed by the Constitution has the Prime Minister no shame this is he blind paragraph showing total arrogance for the electorate instead of giving the people a new prime minister listening to their wishes the Prime Minister has robbed the people of all power here here what does this mean for this prime minister or a future prime minister shutting down Parliament on a women for us from Scotland what protection do we have if any UK Prime Minister sought to shut down the Scottish Parliament we need to protect our Parliament from this Prime Minister Mr Speaker it is clear that this house is not supportive of the Prime Minister's actions this emergency debate is crucial as MPs today need to carve our way forward to allow emergency legislation against no Neil to be passed the cross-party bill seeks to ensure that the UK will not leave the EU without a deal unless Parliament consents to such an outcome it will also require the Prime Minister then to extend article 50 this is a crucial step to prevent a catastrophic New Deal you have to protect our economy and their communities this is how we can come together to avoid it New Deal brexit and protect the interest of citizens across these islands and mr. speaker fundamentally to protect not simply the rights of parliament or parliamentarians for the rights of the people the denial of Parliament having that same denies people in Scotland then across the UK there say against a No Deal for exit we in the SNP cannot countenance that I urge members unite to stop in or do brexit to stop this Prime Minister this dictatorship and to restore democracy tonight mr. speaker it is our turn to take back control tonight the Prime Minister is going to be stopped in his tracks the Prime Minister has tried to rob the people of their power no it's our time to rob him of his after we have heard from the father of the house who might intend shall speak next it will be necessary for there to be a time limit on back speeches imposed by me in the name of trying to accommodate the maximum number of colleagues in this important debate mr. Kenneth Clarke Oh mr. speaker you're very generous to me now I will try to be extremely short and I actually the honorable members just enabled me to be shorter because I think he made the absolutely key point in the last few moments of his speech when he talked about what really lies behind this bill from the point of view of Parliament and parliamentary democracy I mean we all know we're in the middle of an historic crisis and we all know our duty is to take a decision that will be best for future generations will do least damage to our political standing in the world and to our economy but this horrendous debate which is tearing the country apart is doing great harm to our political institutions are particularly Parliament a large number of the population on either side of the European debate of giving the whole Parliament almost in contempt and fanatic levers are just convinced that it's wicked MPs who are undermining the people's will and we are solely responsible for the appalling deadlock which were in so I'm very glad that with your help mr. speaker my right honourable friends and others have found this way of enabling that Parliament to assert itself and give its view and face the fundamental challenge from a constitutional point of view which will determine the political relationship between governments of all comers and Parliament's quite a long time to come and reg Bay as everybody else going to have a I love to debate my own friend I often have I get longer and longer once I give way as the speaker's not put me under the time limit I'll try to avoid giving way to be fair to other people the reason for this motion and the underlying reason for the opposition to it is simply that the government is insisting on pursuing a policy which he knows a majority in parliament is opposed to I think there is very no precedent for that but I could think of certainly not in modern times I've been around for long enough but I don't think 10 years ago if a government had attempted to implement and put into place a policy which he knew the majority of Parliament were against it would have created outrage Parliament has twice voted against leaving with no deal this Prime Minister has plainly to determine that he sponsored a position where he's got to have no deal and we all know we have seen the most extraordinary attempts made to avoid this house having opportunities sadly to vote on that and to do debates on it to play a role in it and if Parliament allows itself to be sidelines and I think the president we're creating for future generations have the behavior of future governments of all complexions bzb Parliament is quite horrendous the arguments that we've heard about the importance of limiting these emergency debates I mean they're my right honourable friend the leader of the house is very good at keeping a straight face when he is coming out with arguments that are almost incredible that the benefits of trading solely within the WTO I will leave on one side I'm sure the North Koreans thrive under that but I think only the North Koreans and the Algerians and I think the Serbians do that but when he starts saying how important to this as this Hajj stupendous traditions by making sure that in no circumstances can the house ever get business of its own choice even in an emergency I really do think knowing that he's actually a profound parliamentarian and deeply committed the well being this place his ability to keep a straight face is quite remarkable but I'm being deterred from the serious point I was making the prorogation who is the the final of us charmingly naive attempt and make sure that wasn't even an opportunity that my mistake there might be something on the order paper that enabled anybody to express their opinion here apparently it is suddenly frightfully important that the government's whole new policy package which seems to be emerging as an extraordinary in fact figure terms anyway had to be put before Parliament before the end of October when we've not really bothered with policy of that kind for a very long time and and it can't be put off the big meeting of November let's play nearly impossible and it most importantly apparently the reason for the extremely long break is because it's extremely important we do not distract the public from playing proper attention to the party conferences we have to be respectful to the Trade Union Congress we cannot distract the television sets of the nation from the liberal assembly apparently every Conservative MP is dying to go to the conservative number and we know there are people who will have engagements there I'm sure the pairing system can cope with that not it but the idea that at the moment of such historic crisis such momentous decisions that the house can be faced with arguments of that kind I find quite preposterous and very saddening and I think it's quite obvious given we're being treated in this way that the house has to seize its own agenda which is all this vote is about this evening we make it the fullest opportunity of the next few days because then house will be able to make key decisions on what we're legally going to require the government pursue in the national interest most importantly and be amazed of the majorities doesn't emerge yet again strongly against just leaving with No Deal not really cuz anybody wants it's about twenty members of the House of Commons I think really think it's a good idea to leave with no deal it's the other heart it's the right of my party otherwise having given up and deciding getting over with leaving No Deal it's all the fault of the Germans the French in particularly the commissioners all the fault of Parliament and have a quick election waiver Union Jack and then we'll sort out the bumps which will come when we've left the house must stop that and use the opportunity tomorrow will debating the merits will go on on i dying to interview in reading more of the Arden's so i've already in this house working more than most on europe and we all know where we stand on the leave remain arguments the one point of real substance I'd like to address which at times man frame first time ever the leader of the house was slightly annoying me he was using what is it currently the cliche extreme right-wing our argument that anybody who wants to stop and no do brexit is actually reversing the referendum now some are the reason we can't get a jority for anything here and we exactly reflect the public Parliament in is there in a paralyzed confusion I think Italia reflects the division of the public where there's no clear majority for anything but the only thing we have a majority fall so far is we're against leaving with no deal everything else - so far it's blocked by hardline right-wing people who don't want any deal with foreigners and then people's vote people who won't vote for anything demos leaving the European Union because they want another referendum I'm afraid they have so far outnumbered the middle I think more of them should join the middle because I actually believe that the obvious compromise greatly to my reluctance both to bring public opinion together and this house is a soft brexit where you keep the present economic ties now then I go back to my right our friend the leader of the house who says I'm just defying 17 million people well I haven't defied 70 mil believe I've already compromised I wasn't in favor of the referendum I feel myself justified looking back on it I made it quite I didn't vote for it I made clear I didn't wasn't going to change my lifelong opinions because of one day's vote on a simple question Oh terribly complicated subject of our national destiny I vote in voted against him poking article 50 I was guilty of that since then I accept the Oh way to go proceed is a softer brexit leave the political union stay in those superbly free trade arrangements which British Conservative government's took a leading role in creating I have voted for exit three times which is a considerable if this bill gets passed and if we get onto the subjects of thing I will vote for brexit again I have had the privilege of at least once voting alongside the Prime Minister and the leader of the house in favor of the brexit on terms which they now treat with derision I don't want to listen to conspiracy theories about the Irish backstop and anything any of the English public sadly take any interest in irish bolivian affairs nine out of ten have no idea what the irish backstop is this is entirely closed little debate little bit of a important one i can see i'm strongly in favor of the irish max problem lest you can replace it with something as equally absolutely guaranteed to preserve the Good Friday Agreement but the root of the thing we do have to deliver to the people and I think we could get a broad mass of the public together on something keeps our economic ties together the attempts as the EU keeps doing under British leadership to extend free trade through more and more even the EU trade agreements which we took the leading part in pressing for which now we're about to walk out off go back to WTO tones all over again with South Korea and Merck us all and so on which we're about to do that must be stopped I would like to see a bill in which we put more positive steers from this house because we all know what we're against No Deal we can't agree or what we're for actually making a legal obligation to seek a customs union making legal obligation to have some regulatory alignment I don't think would make the Prime Minister's position more difficult in Europe they would just wonder why on earth no British leader had asked for that before but I will leave that till the later proceedings on the bill meanwhile if this Parliament doesn't pass this motion I think it will be looked back upon with total division what sort of a parliament was it in the middle of his crisis which said to the government this new government is populist government storming away as it is oh yes we quite agree with you we should not be troubled with this the executive as we just be told as absolute powers were only a debating society allowed to comment winner allowed upon it feel free to deliver what you wish by October the 31st and then we go back to our constituents say it's very important that you have us to represent you in Parliament to look after your interests but as it happens we've given unbridled pass to Boris for the next few months on the European question I therefore you may gather mr. speaker I'm going to vote for this motion with more into more actual fashion than I usually go to the debate voting their chairman lobbyists are our most issues it's an extremely important evening order I'm afraid a five-minute limit on backbench speeches will now apply Helen James Speaker I rise to support the motion not only on behalf of the 1.7 million people who have signed a petition on our website against a prorogation of parliament until we have made decisions on Europe but also as someone who is profoundly disturbed by the contempt for parliamentary democracy that the Prime Minister has shown in seeking a five-week Prairie Gatien of Parliament and it is profoundly dangerous to our democracy because as we all know democracy never disappears with a band it disappears by small incremental steps each one justified as saying that things need to be sorted out things need to be done people are blocking the way and I say that as someone who believes that we should implement the decision of the referendum but also in a representative democracy that it is for Parliament to decide how that decision should be implemented and we have struggled with it because we are struggling direct and style of pleb aside with a representative democracy that struggle has not been made any easier by the misleading statements made during that referendum that we would get the easiest trade deal ever and so on and Breck C cannot be accomplished as the Prime Minister seeks to tell us by a few slogans from a self-help book and arousing pooris have always look on the bright side of life it is complicated and Parliament has to deal with those complications I have no doubt that the Prime Minister sees himself as a Democrat and told he keeps a Buster Pericles in Downing Street I don't know if whether he chose Pericles because his foreign policy alienated most of the other Greek States or because he probed the Athenian assembly but while he speaks as a he sees himself as a Democrat he speaks like a demagogue he has called parliamentarians collaborators with Europe in seeking to block No Deal he uses the language of a war there are far too many people here trying to relive a war in which they were not only too young to take part but are too young even to remember and that demeans the sacrifices of those who fought in that war our job is to take the difficult decisions and one of the things we must do seems to me is to block an OD or brexit which would be disastrous for this country disastrous for most of our constituents and it damage not just this generation but generations to come and where are all the members of the cabinet who told us that prorogation would be an affront to parliamentary democracy mad a ridiculous suggestion silent as the grave and if cabinet government no longer exists and it seems not to exist then it is for Parliament to ensure that the government is properly scrutinized I know it will be difficult for many on the opposition benches tonight sorry on the government pinches tonight they have been threatened with the loss of the whip and the loss of their jobs many will have to break the bonds of loyalty to their own party which all of us have but I begged them tonight to act not in their own interests or in the interests of the party but in the interests of the country they should remember what Clem apni once said if you begin to view yourself as only responsible to a political party you are halfway to a dictatorship the country expects us tonight to act in the national interest and it is vital that we do so sodium cash the speaker mr. speaker I've heard Norma's amount over the last few weeks about the way in which this government is undermining democracy undermining our sovereignty just heard my right honourable friend the member for us cliff nourishing a lot of the arguments that the government has been putting forward over the last few weeks but I would simply like to say this the reality is that there are those in this house however much they like to dress it up and I said this on the second meeting I think of the withdrawal bill itself that actually they never accepted the idea that we should leave the European with or without the deal they just don't want to leave I understand this and I actually pay some tribute to some of those who have been entirely consistent about these arguments and in particular my right own will friend the moment for us cliff and he knows I I genuinely feel that but having said that I'm afraid that the burden of the argument which I've heard addressed by the member for West Dorset for example I simply cannot accept under any circumstances this house as I said in an intervention with the leader of the house actually made a decision and it made a decision on the referendum act itself a sovereign act of parliament which deliberately gave to the British people the right to make the decision and not this house what also happened under the Lisbon Treaty enactment which was passed in 2008 was that under our domestic law we agreed that we would allow the article 50 process to to commence and it said that within two years if there was no decision then we would leave on exit day as expressed ultimately in the other Acts of Parliament withdrawal Act section 1 of which said that the repeal of a 72 Act would take place on exit day now it is impossible in my judgement to argue that this debate and all the in my opinion ripping up of conventions and all the things that my right honourable friend said which I entirely agree with about this improper procedure for the purposes of achieving and objective can really just be washed away on the grounds that somehow or other there is an argument about are not having any possibility of leaving without a deal I'd simply say this mr. speaker if I may this is certainly as the Honorable member for us have said a matter of unbelievably important historic significance we came into the European Union in 1972 on the basis of a white paper and I got out that white paper only today and it quite clearly states that we will never give up the veto we would never do so furthermore not only would we never give up the veto but in addition to that and that was the basis on which who came into the European communities at 972 which is still the governing enactment and furthermore it went on to say that that to do so would endanger the very fabric of the community what is why so many people all over the whole of Europe are visiting with their feet against this system look at what's going on let's at the moment and in Greece in many other countries so why would anybody actually want to remain in this European Union its autocratic it's dominated by one country in particular and by the French as well the bottom line is it is not it it is not a system which allows us to govern ourselves and I would simply say this mr. speaker it is it is clear that we the government that takes place under the Council of Ministers is a system which enables us to be governed by 27 other member states the withdrawal agreement which has never signed would allow us to Mira kept in that in that system of vassalage governed by other 20 another 27 member states it is an unacceptable system and yet if we were to leave albeit I prefer to have a deal but with no deal I'd simply say this will be able to trade globally on our own terms we would no longer be constrained by the deficit which we run with the European Union we would be able to govern ourselves and we would also ensure that we retain Northern Ireland as part of our constitutional status these are masses which transcend the arguments that are being pushed around in this house today these are the some simple questions of principle these are the questions which we need to address we must be allowed as we have for centuries to govern ourselves until we came into the European community the competences have been so grossly extended that we do not govern ourselves and if we stay in this European Union we will never be able to do so I am against this motion and I hope that the house will vote against it Thank You mr. Nicholas Edward Coleridge Bowles Thank You mr. Speaker I rise to support the motion in the name of my friend V a writer remember for Dorset West on the morning of the 7th of February 2017 I woke up in an isolation room at King's College Hospital where I was receiving chemotherapy my blood counts were rock-bottom and the chances of an infection hi weak as a kitten I got dressed my friend and parliamentary neighbor the brexit secretary who was then a government whip met me at the entrance to the ward with a hospital porter and a wheelchair he took me out to the chief whips car and we were driven to Parliament so that I could vote for the article 50 bill since that moment I have done everything in my power to deliver brexit with a deal that protects jobs and livelihoods that preserves our national unity and our international standing I voted for the former Prime Minister's withdrawal agreement on three separate occasions while the current Prime Minister foreign secretary and leader of the House were all breaking the conservative whip and voting with the leader of the Opposition I worked with colleagues across the house to promote an alternative brexit deal common market 2.0 and secured the support of labour the SNP and plied Kamri for a plan that would have taken us out of the European Union's political arrangements that kept us in the single market I am ready to vote for a revised withdrawal agreement if the Prime Minister can secure changes through a negotiation with the EU I still believe like many honourable members from the Labour benches and elsewhere in this house I still believe we need to deliver what a majority of my constituents and a majority of the British people voted for in the referendum of 2016 what I will not do is allow a No Deal brexit it would devastate sheep farmers in my constituency it would be a hammer blow for automotive businesses in my constituency and across the country it would put our union with Scotland and Northern Ireland in jeopardy and it would be the single most protectionist step taken by any democratic country since the Great Depression raising tariffs and trade barriers between us and our largest market taking this stand cost me the support of my local party and in April led me to leave the Conservative Party but I have no regrets I can look people in the eye knowing that I have done what I believed to be right and put the interests of the country before my own comfort or career how many members of the cabinet can save the same mr. speaker at the moment I'm the only independent progressive conservative in Parliament - those brave souls on the conservative benches who face expulsion from the party for voting for the motion today I say this your country needs you do what you know to be right join me on these benches and together let us build a new force in British politics and a true home in Parliament for those who believe in one nation dr. Liam Fox Thank You mr. speaker and may I commend you for ensuring that new backbenchers are able to take part of the debate at such an early stage I begin by echoing the objections raised by the leader of the House on constitutional grounds to this motion I believe that denying the executive the right to uniquely institute legislation is fraught with danger and I think that many of the debates and some of the changes that we've seen in Parliament's in recent times show the fragility of a system that is based on convention and whether we want to or not is propelling us down the route towards a written constitution which is something none of us should want to do without taking due care and attention but my main objection mr. speaker is political now the Honourable lady who's no longer in a place a member for Warrington North raised the tension that we have effectively between a public who voted to leave the European Union and a parliament which let's face it if it had its way freely we'd want to remain in the European Union now I don't doubt for a moment the legitimacy the legal legitimacy of a sovereign Parliament to make laws as it sees fit what I do doubt is the moral legitimacy of a parliament that called a referendum promised to honor the result of that referendum and then three years later still has not done so now am i right on will friend the member for Dorset where I said that we've all made our own different judgments some have voted for a deal unenthusiastically I have to say that I number myself among those who had strong reservations but felt it was the best way to move forward some have voted against the deal because they want there to be no deal as the outcome and some have voted against the deal because they want there to be no brexit at all and it's that latter group that I just want to address one or two questions because this is about the political reputation of Parliament itself those who have had a premeditated campaign to try to thwart the brexit result itself hiding behind the arguments that it's just their deal that they are opposed to do themselves Parliament and politics no credit at all and that position is worsened if they stood at the general election all a manifesto that explicitly said they would honor the result of the referendum but they themselves had absolutely no intention of doing so that I think will result in the contempt of voters and for those particular members who have taken that path I look forward to their meeting with their voters when we get to the next general election whenever that comes I'm concerned mr. speaker about where this places us in EU negotiations to be successful in a negotiation both sides have to regard it as providing mutual self-interest this does not do this this process will cast us in the role of supplicants taking control not back to this house but to the European Union negotiators that is not in our national interest we in this political bubble very often argue about the process and the minutiae and fail to see the big picture which is what our voters are looking at we didn't ask for an opinion from voters we asked for an instruction we said we would honor it and we are honorbound to do so and I are colleagues not to cast their vote tonight with the coalition of chaos for that will be the result delay will follow delay it is time one way or another to deliver brexit and I make one further point one of our senior French colleagues said to me Liam you need to leave the European Union following your referendum a senior Pro European politician he said the problems of political fragmentation in France began when we did not honor the result of the referendum on the European Constitution it was the beginning of the end of the major parties and the beginning of the rise of the political fringe mr. speaker I fear that if we go down the path that is being suggested tonight we will be opening up a chasm of distrust between Parliament and the British people it is something that will play only into the hands of the political fringes and I know some things will all come to regret sue Murray I have to say it's a pleasure of course to follow the right honourable member for North Somerset but at a time when our country should be coming together to find a way through this terrible crisis which we are in biggest crisis since the Second World War it is no longer acceptable if I may say to continue to seek to divide we have to bring people back together and one of the ways to do that is not to impart on people views and motives which are simply not true now the right honourable member my dear friend from rush cliff I don't think he and I disagree mr. speaker on anything but we do agree disagree on brexit because he's rightly pointed out and my honourable friend the member for Grantham and Stanford it's done for the Grantham pointed out they are now and it's this I'm not using this in any derogatory sense but they are of course brexit ears on three occasions as they perfectly properly say they have voted for us to leave the European Union and the reason that I did not join them in the lobbies and I really take grave exception to this is not because I want to stop brexit and that will upset many millions of people in this country some of whom have come on the people's vote marches and and go to the rallies and so on and so forth that will that will disappoint them because they want us to stop exit but I have always taken the view that it is not my role having voted for the referendum the triggering of article 50 the withdrawal agreement it's not for me to stop exit and that I would have voted for the former Prime Minister's deal if it went back to the British people and they were in tight as I believe they are to have their final say now that we know what brexit looks like and I do have to chide the what right honourable member for North Somerset the reason why so many people of my view are so fed up is because right honourable learning other members like him said this would be the easiest deal that this country has ever done in fact in the history of all deals that's what we were told and in fact the withdrawal agreement was everything but a deal it was a blind brexit that's why so many of us didn't vote for it because we didn't get the promised bill but we were told he would have and of course the second reason that we didn't vote for it certainly in my case and I suspect amongst most of us that chose not to vote for the former Prime Minister's deal is because on the government's own assessments it would have made my constituents poorer it would have reduced the economic prospects of my constituents and indeed most importantly the young people the young people who will bear the brunt effects it wasn't anybody and I did not come to this place positively to vote in the full knowledge that it would make my constituents jobs less valuable they would make them risky and I make no bones about this I'm quite happy and willing to lose my job but I'm damned if I am going to see the jobs of my constituents and the life chances of their children and grandchildren reduced and the final thing mr. speaker over the sexes I don't want to repeat all the excellent words about why No Deal he's so bad for our country bad for jobs bad for peace and trading in Northern Ireland bad for our economy I just want to pay tribute to dear friends with whom I sat on those benches as a member the Conservative Party today marks a very bleak and I believe fermentor state as a Conservative Party what you are seeing mr. speaker is a group of fine parliamentarians excellent members of parliament who have been bullied and blackmailed in a way that members of the cabinet who repeatedly and with long histories of defying three-line wits notwithstanding that this bunch of honorable people most of whom I've looked at the list most of the conservatives who've signed this motion have voted three times for brexit they found themselves today in the most disgraceful of situations in effect bullet and blackmailed putting their political careers to an end to do the right thing by our country and as I think my honorable friend said Stanford and Grantham this is about our country they source about your own respect so whether you can look yourself in the mirror in the morning and not be ashamed of what looks back at you and that moment when your children ask you and your grandchildren how on earth did you stand by and let this disaster of a No Deal happen we at least will say we did the right thing we put our country and not our careers first mister don't grieve Thank You mr. speaker it's a pleasure to follow my ride home with a bright old lady and if I may say to my right horrible friend the member for North Somerset I also listen carefully to what he had to say because he made one important point about which has come up about the will of the people it's absolutely right the most of us in this house voted to trigger article 50 we did that out of respect for the result of the referendum even if we didn't like it but three and a half years down the track it's perfectly obvious to many of us that this country is going to a very bad outcome and the longer the period that passes from the referendum the more unclear it is in truth what the will of the people is we have no idea and that's why I've always been willing to see a deal go through but I want it to go back to the public because I am left with a compelling sense that we are actually taking people to a destination they don't want at all what has happened is unfortunately section of my party has become hijacked by a narrow sector of those who voted to leave and you are simply using the will of the people as an instrument of potential tyranny towards any of those who disagree here as I can see in the email stream I routinely get and I'm afraid fueled now by the words of the Prime Minister and indeed I have to say I regret to have to say this but I will by the words of the leader of the house today and that was fascinating to listen to the leader of the house I'd always imagined that he had marketed himself in politics as an individual who was respect who formed part of the grandest tradition of old-fashioned conservators here here and so I was rather surprised when I heard him refer to one of his objections why this house should do its duty that it would interfere with the great set pieces that followed but a state opening of power of course as a conservative I love the great set pieces of our Constitution but I don't think in a time of national emergency my constituents in beckons field would have much regard for me for saying the great set pieces had to come before my doing my duty I also I have to say to him with regrets it's the first time I've heard him at the dispatch books that I regretted his rather cheap sarcasm at the expense of my right honourable friend the member for West Dorset and I just gently point out he has more months of experience of high office than my right honourable friend and has hot days in his job and the truth is that the government has decided to pursue a ruthless policy of trying to shut down all debate debate of the most legitimate kind about the future of our country and its well-being and in doing so the unconstitutional acts come wholly from the government I disagree totally with my right honourable friend the leader of the House when he says that it's in some way this house is acting unconstitutionally what it does our Constitution is adaptable and I'm afraid it's having to adapt to the reality that the government doesn't have a majority and hasn't had one for some time and that is just one of those things which happens and it's doing it actually in a fairly reasonable fashion although it would be better if we listened to politely to each other and stop trying to beat each other over the head as I detect is the practice which the government is now adopting and finally I'll just say this obviously I believe that this motion is entirely desirable entirely in keeping with the houses proper traditions and is something which should be passed and the bill that follows it so that the evils of a No Deal brexit are avoided because ideally passionately that evil will follow but I was struck by my right honourable friend the leader of the house who suddenly referred to a man for all seasons I think because Sir Thomas More is one of his heroes he will recollect Sir Thomas say when told that opposition to the king would mean death well these are but devices to frightened children so I'm afraid if he thinks that the device of withdrawing the whip this evening is going to change my mind all that of my honorable and right honourable friends he has got another thing coming the time limit is now reduced to four minutes Tommy Shepherd Thank You mr. speaker myself and my party have been consistent over the last four years in voting against this country leaving the European Union and we do that for many reasons but most of all because that is what the people who elected us to speak for them in this place want Scotland did not vote for this and Scotland does not want this but we have never in these debates suggested that the result of the 2016 brexit referendum should be ignored set aside or overturned by this Parliament what we have said is it is the legitimate and proper role of an elected parliament to consider the consequences of this course of action and if in our judgment we believe those consequences to be sufficiently dire then we should allow the opportunity for the people of the country to reconsider the decision they took in 2016 in full knowledge of the facts alloys that we now have available and what is at risk now is the right of this Parliament to exercise that degree of judgment it is a shame in many ways that we have to move this motion tonight and we have to pass emergency legislation tomorrow it ought to be the other way around a government particularly a minority government ought to be coming to this chamber trying to find consensus trying to explain itself trying to get us behind it but instead that is not happening and the reason why so many people find it necessary to do what we are going to do tonight is simply because we have lost faith in this government not only has the government today in a moment not only has the government today lost its majority but it has also lost the trust of this house you do not believe the Prime Minister when he says he is trying to get a deal we see no evidence of this whatsoever and we do not believe the Prime Minister when he says he respects parliamentary democracy because he is trying to shut down the ability of this house to debate his actions and their consequences I'll take the intervention I thank the Honourable friend for giving way he was talking about compromise we had an opportunity to compromise back in spring one on the customs union we are left by three votes we lost by three votes that custom Union vote I would ask where were he in his SMP colleagues M when it was SMP policy on single market custom view where he could have had a compromise and avoid this this isn't about time this is about compromise show us you're willing to do it the bottom whatever is wrong because the seeds of this problem were sown long before that they were sown when our right-wing conservative government decided to seize on the result of the referendum and use that narrow majority and interpret it for its own ends to restructure this country and its international relationships and its economy and even now even now we see a situation where the government is committed to pursuing the hardest of breakfast crushing art without a deal if it deems that necessary and it you actually even believe that that is the preferred course of action and it knows not only is there no majority in this house for that course of action there is no majority in the country either for that course of action now that brings me to the topic of the election which is an Associated matter here because there has been suggestions there are we to do this then the Prime Minister will immediately throw his toys out of the pram and go to the country and demand a general election and we have already had an echo of the gross populism from the leader of the house that may well come to be reflected in that campaign something which I think does his character no great service to be honest but if that is the election is going to come then let us be quite clear we need to have an election before this country crashes out of the European without a deal so we're ready for election bring it all but I'm gonna have before the 31st of October or extend that deadline of the 31st of October so that we can make a decision as a people and elect a parliament before this fait accompli is presented to them that would be the legitimate thing to do and I would ask the Prime Minister that if he really wants to have an election then don't engage in these procedural shenanigans and this duplicity in trying to gain the Parliament put the proposal for a nobody aggressive to the electric put that through the electorate explain the consequences and see if that is what they vote for and when that happens I will relish the prospect to contest that election because we shall not only be contesting that election in order to prevent and stop brexit and have a reconsideration of that strategy but we shall also be explaining to the people of Scotland that this is their chance to consider having a different course of action than the one which they appear like that led by the current prime minister and I am confident that when we go to the people of Scotland so many more than ever before will not understand the attractiveness of having political independence over their own affairs and being able to control their own destiny and establish their own relationships with the rest of the countries in Britain in Europe and the world and that is what is coming down the track I warned the government to be aware of it today mr. speaker and I would put it to the honourable gentleman for any barista in fact that very question that he wants put to the British people again is the question that was put on the ballot paper in the 2016 referendum and the Prime Minister himself made it clear in debates on television that if the country boats leave this question this decision would be implemented article 50 would be invoked and after two years then were out out of the single market out of the customs union that is what he said so I don't see any necessity to run the thing again I merely rise mr. speaker on the occasion of this debate to observe that what some people including yourself call a constitutional outrage and it's a little novel for the speaker to enter into the debate quite so openly in that way but there we are that's another novelty taking place in our Constitution other people refer to as a perfectly normal decision well of course in truth it is neither but the this controversy does reflect the evolving and changing nature of the relationship between Parliament government and people that is a permanent evolution in our constituency and I would say there are two measures in particular that have led to a very substantial sea change in the relationship between Parliament and government the first is the fixed term Parliament's Act which was sold to perhaps a rather unsuspecting house as a means of limiting executive power but in the event of a statutory no-confidence vote the act is silent on what happens afterwards except for the 14-day period the Prime Minister may be no longer able to call the general election but he's no longer obliged to resign either and at least not for 14 days this has the effect of strengthening the incumbency of a sitting Prime Minister of course that's exactly what it was intended to do it was intended to cement the coalition in place but that has given us a position where the house is left with the option to wound rather than to kill governments and I don't think that has improved the accountability of governments to Parliament in any way at all and the second thing that has happened causing this new changes the increase in the frequency of the use of referendums this has consequences to as many warned not for the sovereignty of Parliament that is my right honourable friend the member for Somerset North said this has a consequence for the legitimacy because we now have in our Constitution we have competing legitimacy and what we are hearing is a very bitter dispute about whether the representative nature of our democracy is a superior widget see to the direct I'm not giving away okay well I was giving way does he recall during the vote leave campaign that it was said that this Parliament and MPs in this Parliament would decide which brexit model whether it's Norway Switzerland who would apply and that was part of the taking back control so the seventeen point four million people weren't speaking with a single voice because they believed there was a menu of options I think also there was a menu of options available to those who voted remain and I know many people who voted remain who wish we just get on and leave now the but the I don't think I don't think the Honourable lady makes a valid point on or indeed under linesman undermines the fundamental point that we now have a constitution of which there are competing legitimacy 's and some people are resting the authority of their argument on the representative mandate and some are the government in particular on the popular vote and it is as least as much a constitutional outrage that three years after the referendum was still in the European Union and that the the bill proposed tomorrow the bill was proposed for tomorrow should be proposing to hand the question of how we leave not back to this house but back to the European Union to decide it's absolutely true because that's what term that's what exactly what Section three two of the draft bill actually says so the business the business of tonight's exchanges reflects the breakdown of our shared understanding about which is legitimate the representative or the director the mandate and now we have a constitution containing containing these competing ideas of legitimacy unless we are to abandon referendums then this has should be ready to implement popular decisions it does not like and it is some reluctance to do so and if we refuse to do so I agree again with my own right honorable friend for North Somerset that will have consequences for the credibility of Parliament in the eyes of our electors and we will see the revival of alternative political parties and I fear this house is taking politics in that direction the sovereignty of Parliament is not at risk but our démocratique legitimacy certainly is so mr. speaker it has come to this tonight that this new Prime Minister and his ministers not just their competence but also their good faith has been so destroyed across this house that this radical but necessary step to prevent to preserve parliamentary democracy and our futures has been taken and anyone who has heard either the Honorable gentleman the leader of the House or indeed the very way than which the brexit Minister rattled away to Mary pace will recall those old words the louder they protested their honor the faster we counted the spoons because the truth of the matter is that this No Deal would drive us into the arms of Donald Trump on the NHS this No Deal would be no good for the night the people in my constituency who are now having unemployment twice the national average and this No Deal would be no good for the people who need the desperate medical issues that the Honourable lady vs Furness MP talks about earlier and the list of warnings about No Deal Betsey grow longer crises about supplies and prices of fresh food essential medicines chaos on the road ports after Halloween all warnings not from Marxists or from trotskyist or left wingers but from such radical organizations as the British Retail Consortium and the British Road hauliers but you know this isn't just about grexit anymore or even where the people voted for leave or remain it's about our future as a progressive democracy in the United Kingdom and I think that we've really have to take that into account but we also have to take into account the situation of individual constituents my constituents the man who wrote to me and said My father is rather ill these days and relies on a variety of medication I'm concerned what the impact of a No Deal would have on the supply of this medication and we've heard from those who have no axe to grind but that is absolutely the case I've had a letter as many of us will have had from ordinary constituents an ordinary constituent says please can you help over this issue with No Deal brexit our NHS is so important to us as food on our plates it's hard to survive as it is I cut back on power and food and power and have no holidays please sort this out that's an ordinary constituent not engaged with the finer constitutional points that the leader of the house manages to trim on the six months but with the everyday bread-and-butter of daily living in a town like many others in the north of England where people feel left behind and vulnerable and where to satisfy the interests of a small group of cronies round the prime-minister this government is trying to stamp down on everything that said there is no evidence not even a sniff of them having presented any proposals to the EU that the Prime Minister fancies himself as a classicist well what he's been doing is in the in the tradition of the prescriptions of ancient Rome and the way in which he has treated his own backbenchers the prime minister also fashions himself as an admirer of Churchill well he should remember that Churchill told us all that the first duty of a member is to do what he thinks is his faithful and disinterested judgment to the honor and the safety of this Britain and that's what patias isn't about that's what real patriotism is about and the way in which this Prime Minister has disgracefully used the pro prorogation process it blunts the interests of this house blunts the interests of the British people they are not the attributes of Britain's Prime Minister they're the attitude that I would say there were the attitudes of a tin-pot despite that the despot or autocrat except for this finance they might think he flattered him know what he is is a petulant child are they able to get his way with this house and that is why he is trying to shut down and that is why he's trying to shut down debate with this provocation and that is why we should support this motion tonight Sam match mr. speaker this Parliament is at the very heart of our national story and our shared history it's what the Prime Minister's great Idol Winston Churchill called the cockpit of the nation to seek to bar the door to that cockpit as the nation flies into one of the biggest storms constitutional storms in its history is an unsettling thing for a government to do it may not be illegal or unconstitutional but it's not how a strong government would conduct itself nor a responsible one euro phobic conspiracists occasionally claimed that the EU wants to reduce the House of Commons to a mere council chamber I'm afraid if the government achieves its aims this week it will have gone further it will have reduced us from a proud sovereign Parliament to a mere debating Club to be dismissed when it becomes inconvenient if the government succeeds this week what is to stop the Prime Minister doing it again in the future what is to stop the leader of the Opposition should he come to power and I hope that never comes to pass precedent matters and so does motive the government's claim that this is to enable it to put forward new domestic legislation is clearly nonsence a fig leaf to hide its attempt to evade accountability this house has stood as the defender of our liberties for centuries the historian robert saunders put it best the UK government shines with a borrowed light a light that comes solely from the consent of our elected representatives shut that down and our democracy is plunged into darkness it has indeed been plunged into darkness we are in darkness and it's claimed that this corrugation is a normal progression it isn't this part this Parliament would have accepted expected to have emotion cut before it a recess motion put before it by the leader of the house that would have asked this Parliament to agree to the party conference recess that motion has never been put to us we have never as members of parliament been asked to agree the parliamentary recess and it's highly likely that we wouldn't have done given the scale of the crisis that faces our country at the moment the leader of the house claims to speak for seventeen point four million people well I want to tell him about a constituent of mine on the train I was on the train going back to my constituency when a constituent approached me and said you're my MP he said I voted for leave because I wanted to give David Cameron kicking I didn't really think it would go through please now do something to change that I have voted three times for the withdrawal agreement three times I have seen members of my party my party votes that agreement down when their conservative Prime Minister told them it complied with our manifesto commitment to an orderly exit and yet they defied that and I have a constituent that has written this evening to me to say that the leader of the house has rebelled against the conservative-led government more than a hundred times and he has been rewarded with a place on the front bench and yet the MP for Southwest pop pitcher who has never voted against the government is going to be expelled from the party what times we live I will be voting for this motion [Applause] supporting this motion tonight as I didn't the last time the Parliament tried to change the way we constitutionally work we were told then of course it is a one-off we're now in our second or third one-offs and of course if this goes through tonight tomorrow we will be debating a bill which if we actually look at it in detail already and I know we have that debate tomorrow is making it very very clear is going to give even more power to the European Union in terms of how long we should have any kind of extension and I was very concerned today and I know it's only a rumor but rumors usually are there's some truth in them they're actually some of the people who drafted this motion for the bill tomorrow this bill tomorrow actually took advice from EU legal lawyers now if that actually happened I think that is quite shocking but I know there will be people in this house who think there's nothing wrong with that and then actually they what to be as close as possible to the European Union and there with nothing wrong in taking advice from them I believe that the bill tomorrow if this motion was passed tonight would be a bill which would be actually humiliating this Parliament and you know we heard a lot about constitutional outrage about what was happening when they took this made about the Queen's speech and I genuinely believe that there was four or five extra days that have been added to a recess that we all knew about just before the house lifted that the people had felt strongly about they could have moved and got that discussion then those five or four or five extra days that is much much less of a constitutional light range and what we're setting a precedent for today to actually take away pars from government and our side will be in government some perhaps the general election is coming they will be in that same position and I do think people should be being very very careful what we're saying today to people is what is the point of voting they voted to leave leave one there was nothing on the ballot paper that said as many people have said we didn't vote for a known with the No Deal but there was also nothing on that ballot paper that said that we want to just have to be half in or half out that we wanted to pay thirty nine billion that we wanted to do all those things that were in the withdrawal agreement we voted to leave people voted to leave and the reality is not not not everybody in this house who votes tonight I know many of them are Ramirez who have accepted the result but the reality is that on my side in particular there are many many of my colleagues who actually want to stop brexit and they have seen are using No Deal as almost synonymous with stopping brexit and that is what is the real truth about what's going on now they write on remember for rush cliff who has been honest from the beginning he is not in his seat now said tonight about tearing the country apart of what on earth is another extension going to do other than tear the country even more apart what on earth is and are we going to gain by another extension that we haven't already been able to achieve in the last two-and-a-half years what will it's actually achieve and what we are doing tonight if we vote for this is sending a signal to all those people to leave do who voted to leave that we know best that we are being hour ago that we know best about how the future outside the European Union will work and I believe that that is going to come home right to hit through particularly to my party but to the Conservative Party as well when we get that general election and I would say that any Liberal Party member who didn't vote for a general election would be up looking absolutely ridiculous bring an election on and let the people show what they really want thank you Thank You mr. speaker is on to the following the Honourable lady I rise to oppose this motion and I'd like to do so by considering what it is that it sets out to achieve this motion does not prevent No Deal it simply requires the Prime Minister if the deal is not agreed to ask for an extension and to accept it that does not avoid No Deal it simply pushes further away the point at which we in this house have to make a decision and the people we represent are expecting us to make a decision it's what we're here for it's what they are crying out for us to do and I have to say to honourable members on all sides of this house you cannot legislate No Deal away you can only vote for a deal or revoke article 50 if revoke is what is sought and I know some honourable members would favor that then have that debate say so and those who voted as part of that overwhelming majority for the referendum and then to trigger article 50 can explain why they have changed their minds but the question of revocation has been tried in the indicative votes and was heavily defeated I ventured to say that there is no majority for revocation in this house and so all that this procedure seeks to do is to delay to kick the can further down the road in the hope that something will turn up there is in essence no plan proposed here in contrast what the government is doing is pursuing a strategy based upon the only thing that has commanded a majority in this house the Brady amendment alternative arrangements to replace the backstop totally and it will be said that the EU has no intention of doing so but the EU is watching and is waiting to see what we do here it has no incentive to move for as long as it thinks that Parliament will destroy the government's negotiating position or cancel brexit altogether if we in this house declare in advance that we must come to an agreement then the government's negotiating position is destroyed and the EU will never have an incentive to move so it is therefore the case that this whole scheme rather than banishing No Deal makes it impossible to achieve one and in so doing puts off the day of reckoning even further but it cannot be avoided forever there's only one way to avoid a node to avoid no deal and to achieve a deal that way to achieve that deal paradoxically is to be ready and willing to leave without one only if we are clear about that does the Prime Minister stand a chance I accept that that readiness causes disquiet among so many of my friends tonight but to all those friends who like me want to see a deal I would urge them to come with us and give the Prime Minister the unequivocal backing that he needs because that is the only path to the deal that we all want to see to vote against the government tonight is not to vote against No Deal to vote against the government tonight is to vote against even the possibility of a deal against the chance of a deal even the glimmer of a deal the motion and the bill it foreshadows achieves nothing more than delay a delay that in turn achieves nothing more than two so more division and discord that division and discord that is doing such damage to our country's social fabric please speak in favor of this motion which would enable us to pass a bill tomorrow prevent our crashing out of the EU with no deal at the end of October and let us just remember why we are at this point this discussion is happening now because the Prime Minister is running scared of democracy a prime minister who knows his reckless No Deal breakfast will never get the support of this house but instead of having the courage to make his case here - putting himself to scrutiny instead of that Parliament is going to be suspended brushed aside as an inconvenience to an executive that is frankly lurching out of control well I am proud that so many brave colleagues inside this house and so many of the public outside it are saying so loudly and clearly that they will not stand for this Prime Minister's blatant power grab that they will not stand for a No Deal brexit being rammed through this house and that they will stand up to make sure that this legislature does what it is meant to do which is to hold this executive this feral out-of-control executive to account now there's been a lot of talk about democracy tonight and the leader of the House who I have to say with his body language throughout this evening has been so contemptuous of this house spread across around three seats lying out as if that was something very boring to listen to tonight well can I just say to him when he has been lecturing us about democracy we will have none of it because this government has no mandate for the vicious form of brexit it is pursuing it was never on the ballot paper more than that the right honourable member for Surrey Heath said as recently as March and I quote we did not vote to leave without a deal that wasn't the message of the campaign I helped to lead so let's hear no more of this posturing that somehow people on that side of the house from the government of standing up for the people and we are not those of us on this side and particularly those of us who have been arguing for people's vote from the very start are precisely the ones who are standing up for the people on what their voices to be heard in this debate now time is short and I want to make two more very quick points the first is that in all of this debate about process and procedure we are in danger of forgetting what a No Deal actually means for the people of this country what it means as we know from operation yellow hammer is shortages of food and fuel it means people unable to get their life-saving medicines it also means a nightmare for people in Northern Ireland I pay tribute to the Honourable member for more town who has made so many times hell dare we in this chamber think we're going to rip up the Good Friday Agreement and think that it's nothing to be concerned about there is everything to be concerned about that but I also want to say a word as well about the three million those people who made their lives here in this country expecting that their contribution would be valued instead of which now they are in an intolerable limbo not knowing whether their rights are going to be upheld or not but finally Mr Speaker I want to make a point that I think is important although some may feel that is it is boring but I had to read you know what the reason that we are in this crisis now one of the many reasons it's because we don't have a codified written constitution it is only the unwritten uncodified understandings that protect the body politic from regressing to government with minimal checks balances and accountability up until now we've had to depend on people playing by the rules well now we have a government that is not playing by the rules so we need more than ever a written constitution drawn up by a Democratic citizens convention that will put people at the heart of our politics for the first time in UK history Bob Seeley mr. speaker the crux of the debate tonight is whether we seek to buy and instruct our government in a critical period as it seeks options between the currently doral deal which has been injected three times by lots of people in his house and no deal actually was a series of mini deals now I'm sure that the charts of the exchequer and the member for Dawson West have been engaged in negotiations at a far more senior level than I but I do find it a little bizarre we could seek to bind our hand of our government at this point if the right honorable judgment trust those people in power and I have to say that I do I was engaged a little bit in something ago around the tribal Afghan leaders and I conducted village negotiations in Basra marshes in 2008 2009 mr. speaker and showing the limits of our negotiating power showing that we were willing or not willing to do would have fatally undermined some of those conversations have happened to try to protect British troops and try to sort my selves being attacked so therefore by the hands of a government as it seeks to negotiate a better deal I think it's counterproductive although I understand his concerns the reason this debate is so bad-tempered is because it's gone on for three years Tory brexit I'm not here to stop brexit apart it's quite clear that the Honourable member for mops or said that many people on the opposite side of the benches were using this No Deal grexit simply as another minister stopped the element of the beckons field quoted Thomas More I've been in this house two years I feel that quoting Macbeth tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow wears on this prettier this petty pace from day to day that's how I feel because all we talk about grexit I want this to get on and talk about lots of other things [Applause] absolutely run in fact this is it sort of feels like ground up days if you don't mind me mixing my cultural references pro-democracy protein errs are concerned about protecting the rights of Parliament I find that slightly ironic for those people who want to stay in the European Union which will do far more damage for the rights of this Parliament than this government will do ever absolutely I want to deal Mr Speaker I want to deal and I accept that trusted but I accept that the most important thing here is that we have to deliver to have trust in politics I'm also aware that neither side is perfect that there are people now sitting on the front bench who could have voted for a deal and did it in the same way that there are people opposite who could have voted for a deal and didn't but we need to deliver on a deal and the reason why I'm against this motion is it is it provides another extension that we simply continue in a debate that becomes an endless and tedious we need to bring this to an end so we can deliver on a manifesto commitment in other areas to the British people thank you Tom break mr. speaker and just following on the comments from the member for Brighton Pavilion I'm sure it might be possible to provide the lead of house with a pillow to make him more comfortable as he seems to be struggling during this debate I rise to support the right honourable member Dossett we have a simple objective that is to block No Deal and secure a resolution to the crisis and chaos the country faces a series of government reports have set out the consequences and knows of No Deal most recently of course Operation yellowhammer medicines fuel and food shortages increased risks on the board of three Northern Ireland and Ireland and the government have been so shocked and embarrassed that they've attempted to sanitize in fact make this report disappear but it's in the interest of all that constituents a part of forth a part of course from those who are busy shorting the pound to block No Deal we are talk we are not talking about as ministers do bumps in the road we are talking about job losses and businesses closing the other side claim that taking no deal off the table damages our prospects of securing a deal now the first problem I have with this is walking away without a deal isn't like walking into the car showroom and walking out without a car in No Deal you're forced to leave with that banger with all tires and a chipped windscreen the second problem I have with this I set out by the arc right on remember for West Dorset is No Deal damages as damages us far more than our youth framings with No Deal the EU get a headache we get severe angina the final problem is that there is no evidence that governments are seeking a deal on the EU UK website there are three documents listed since June the touch on this issue there have been a couple of calls between our Prime Minister and jean-claude Juncker there has of course been our chief negotiator David Frost going to Brussels but he what he has said is that under no circumstances would he even allow a technical extension to article 50 which of course we all know would be required if in fact the government were to secure a deal I've asked colleagues in the European poll we've our Skiba hofstadt is there any evidence whatsoever that the government are seeking a deal and the answer is there is total radio silence from UK government on deal negotiations and of course we had the charming Dominic Cummings the man who has staff escorted off the premises by armed police officers who let the count out cat out of the bag when you said that the negotiations are a sham to conclude tonight mr. speaker we must act one to stop a calamitous jobs destroying influence sapping No Deal brexit two to force the government to find a way out of a paralysis which is destroying our country's credibility tearing communities apart and stopping the government dealing with the real problems we face as a nation and allow the people to express their views on its appropriateness through a people's vote and finally to demonstrate that the UK Parliament will resist the shutdown of our democracy and the authoritarian power grab of a rogue minority government thank you very much mr. speaker it's been quite a long time since I've had the opportunity to speak in this chamber well I have spoken as I'm sure you will attest but mainly from a sedentary position the reason of course being that for the vast majority of this past year I had the privilege of serving the former prime minister as a parliamentary private secretary meaning that for the majority of the past 259 days I have lived and breathed brexit Deal No Deal indicative vote scooper latwon Balls withdrawal agreement the negotiations of renegotiations and all the attempts by the former Prime Minister along with a group of utterly brilliant and dedicated colleagues ministers civil servants and special advisers to try and ensure that this country left the EU with the deal and I did so not just because it wasn't the job but because I genuinely completely and utterly believe that for my constituents for this country for our Union for its businesses and for our economy it was the only rational and sensible thing to do and I still do but I do not support the motion being brought by my right by the right on remember for West Dorset this evening and I cannot vote for it in my opinion we MPs MPs from all sides of this house if we truly want to act and I know most of us do in the national interest we must support the Prime Minister and this government in their efforts to renegotiate this deal and to leave the European Union on October the 31st and to be able to do that the EU must know we are serious about leaving and that means keeping no deal on the table if we support this motion being brought tonight we know the world will know that we aren't serious at all and we're then the motivation the impetus to get this done and to those on the opposition benches I'm afraid who claim that they would do anything to stop No Deal I ask the simple question why didn't you when the question was brought three times why didn't you and it's no good protesting that the deal wasn't good enough or that there were no guarantees or now that if only we'd known what was going to be in the Austral agreement pill we would have voted for it if you were serious genuinely serious about doing anything to stop No Deal you would've voted for one so please stop pulling the wool over the eyes of the public and be honest with voters and to those of my own benches to my friends and colleagues for whom I have so much respect and who support for the former prime minister of the last year I am personally very grateful I say this please please do not undermine this Prime Minister asked so often this House of Commons undermined the last please give our negotiators the support they need to get the changes to this deal we need and please do not allow to be to be taken off the table the one thing that is pushing both sides towards achieving just that I will give way I wish to speak I remember fondly being in the room with my honourable friends on a number of occasions and can I just say to him I very much look forward to his memoir on all of these subjects yeah well I thank my honorable friend for that intervention and I will give him a signed copy when I get around to writing them I know that many of my friends will be voting against the government and against their party tonight I will give me this to talk to him at the party short time and for many this will be the first time they have ever done so after decades of service loyally to this party and I know that many have ratchet wrestled their conscience is as I have wrestled mine and I hear the arguments they make this is not an easy decision for anybody but I will be supporting my prime minister this evening we need to get this deal renegotiated we need to get this done we need to leave the EU and there we can at long last move this country forward young baron Thank You mr. Speaker I rise in opposition to this motion in support of my prime minister essentially for two reasons the first mr. speaker is that there is a more than a whiff of arrogance in this motion too many remain MPs in this place will use any device to try to block brixon there are honourable members remain members but I'm afraid there's too many who are not and the decision was delegated by this place to the people to make their decision and they made that decision very clearly now we've been kicking this can down the road for three years and to many outside this Westminster bubble enough is enough and I would remind the house but the majority of colleagues and members who are going to support a motion tonight voted in favor of triggering article 50 and what article 50 said very simply is that we would be leaving the EU with or without a deal now we have twice extended that time line and that is why people outside this place are getting very frustrated with many colleagues here tonight but apart from the arrogance Mr Speaker I also think this decision is ill-informed it will make a bad deal more likely anyone who has negotiated in business or Warren and with any organizations if the other side believe you're not prepared to walk away it will make for a worse deal it's a simple fact of life most of us in this place prefer a good trade deal to no deal that the guaranteed way of getting a bad deal is to take no deal off the table and for the business people in this house and for many who have negotiated deals they will understand that but I also believe mr. speaker it's ill-informed from an economic point of view no deal has been derided without examining actually a lot of the economic facts time does not allow here now for that to be undertaken and too many people are talking anyway so they wouldn't share it here the point is the speaker but what I would suggest what I would suggest is that people reflect on the fact that hard people reflect on the fact that half of the --use top ten trading partners trade on WTO No Deal terms outside the EU the parties outside it's a simple fact of life I will give way Mr Speaker I do thank I'll remember for giving away and I trust I do sincerely hope that I'm not seen to be an arrogant member of this house I always try and represent the interests of the far north of Scotland with the Honourable member and others this chamber at least the Sep accept the fact that a No Deal brexit would ruin the crafters and sheep farmers of microcytic and that would lead to a second Highland Clearances what what I would say in response to that is it if if there is a No Deal and most of us in this place want a good trade deal there will be tens of billions of pounds to help it those sectors of the economy and industries and sectors to readjust that is a fact of life but as we've done in previous economic cycles and too many people I suggest not just in this place mr. speaker but outside ignore the fact that investment and jobs is about comparative advantage it's about how competitive your tax rates are how flexible your labour markets are what is your financial expertise like we've got we've got London we've got Edinburgh what about your R&D and top universities in aggregate mr. speaker those are more important than WTO tariffs of three to five percent and if proof of the pudding was required despite all the talk in recent years about no deal is better than a bad deal industry's been fully aware that no deal was a distinct thank you miss figure industry has been fully aware that no deal has been a distinct possibility over these last few years what have we seen economically we have seen record low unemployment we've seen record manufacturing output we've seen record investment this country attracted more inward investment last year than France and Germany put together it comes down to economic reality and I'm afraid mr. speaker in the house some members coming to its decision tonight they have not considered the economic facts there was well kneel to speak up I've been a member of my party for 50 years and throughout that time I believed in our membership of the European Union I campaign for that in the referendum my constituency represented to remain in the European Union albeit by the very narrowest of margins but my side lost and I accept therefore that we need to leave the European Union now I want to lead with a deal people in my constituency businesses those who work hard to build wealth for this country are genuinely concerned about the impacts of leaving without a deal their concerns are not illegitimate they are real and they need to be at rest but equally they have real and genuine concerns about a prolonged uncertainty - and I think we as politicians need to weigh heavily the damage perhaps done reputationally to our body politic - these are not easy matters we've had a great deal of statements of a bold certainty in this debate and too many other things perhaps mr. speaker that's too much hyperbole a little less not enough pragmatism my conclusion to try and reconcile that narrow margin in my constituency and those conflicting but genuine concerns of my constituents has to be in to vote three times to leave with a deal I wish others had done so as well if I believed that passing this motion today would make it easier for us to achieve a deal I would support it but I do not believe the deep task I've come to the conclusion after real heart searching and you will know mr. speaker I have not been afraid to defy the whiff of my party in the past when I thought it right and proper to do so but after a real heart searching and thought I have included that it will not have that effect that I wish to do and he might have regrettably the culinary effect of reducing the government's leverage in negotiations because if we are to get a deal the only point of we are realistically going to now is at the October council 17th 18th of October I don't wish to bind the hands of the government in the run-up to that he may be a a with a narrowing window of opportunity to get a deal Mr Speaker we may not succeed but for the sake of my constituents and to reflect that narrow margin in my constituency and also in the country and try and find a means of us moving on together I believe that we should try and seize that opportunity and not do anything which whatever the chips and I don't impune for one second the motives or the integrity of those who have proposed this motion many of them are amongst my dearest and best friends in this house I do believe it will be mistaken that to support this motion tonight and for that reason I will support for the government and I do urge my little friends and right honorable friends to think again before we cross the Rubicon fifty years many of us that have worked together and I hope we could continue to in the future and I hope that they would just reflect one last time that before taking the step of vote you get to the government tonight Thank You mr. speaker for three long years we've talked we've debated we're voted repeatedly in this house on brexit and yet here we stand still after three years not having reached any firm resolution in supporting the motion before the house this evening we would simply prolong even further the uncertainty which our country is experiencing which business is experiencing which my honourable friend the member for Bromley in Chislehurst in his excellent speech a moment ago has described we have a responsibility having been elected in 2017 on manifestos to respect the referendum result to do so to stop prevaricating to stop kicking the can down the road and one way or another reach a definitive conclusion the motion before the house tonight does not do that it simply prevaricate s' even further now some members opposite have been very clear about what they want and I respect that my neighbor the member for Carlton of Arlington and the member for Brighton Pavilion have both been very clear previously on this evening that they would rather remain in the European Union and they certainly don't want to no deal exit that is a view I disagree with but at least they have clarity expressing it they also say they don't want to leave with no deal but I say if you adopt that view then you have only two choices that you either accept any deal that's offered up no matter how bad or you remain and I don't think either of those options are acceptable remaining when the country voted to leave and we were elected the main two parties on manifestos to leave I think is totally unacceptable so we have there is only one sensible option as the member for Bromley in Chislehurst very eloquently pointed out as well as a little bit in say I don't Reno [Applause] Hevy the question is the motion as on the paper in the name of Sir Oliver let win' as many as are of that opinion say I of the country No [Applause] elevate order the question is the motion in the name of Sir Oliver O'Quinn as on the order paper as Minister that appear say I of the country now tell us for the eyes Chris Elmore and Stephen get in Stella's for the nose Stuart Andrew and Ian Stuart [Music] [Music] [Music] lock the doors [Applause] [Music] [Music] the sergeant be good enough please to investigate the delay in the AI Lobby Oh [Applause] would the eyes to the right 328 the nose to the left 301 [Applause] not a good start Andres order the eyes to the right 328 the nose to the left 301 so the eyes have it the eyes have it unlock of course point of order of the Prime Minister speaker I think [Applause] by the consequences of this vote tonight it means that Parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal that we might be able to describe and control of the negotiations to the EU and that would be more dinner more delay and more confusion themselves would be able to decide how long to keep this country in the ear and since I refuse to go along with that plan we are going to have to make a choice Mr Speaker I don't want an election the public wants an election but if the house waits for this bill tomorrow the public will have to choose who goes to Brussels on October the 17th to sort this out and take this country forward everybody knows that if the right honourable gentleman is the prime minister he will go to Brussels and beg for an extension [Applause] rustles the bonds and we will have years more arguments over brentd and by contrast which I think everyone knows that if this government is in charge and we go right go to Brussels I will go for a deal and I believe I will get a deal even if we don't we will leave anyway on October the 31st the people of this country will have to choose Mr Speaker the leader of the opposition has been begging for an election for two years he has crowds of supporters outside calling for election I don't want an election but if mp's votes tomorrow to stop negotiations and to compel another pointless delay to brexit potentially for years then that would be the only way to resolve this and I can confirm that we are tonight tabling a motion under the fixed term Parliament [Applause] mr. speaker on a point of order I welcome tonight's vote we live in a parliamentary democracy we do not have a presidency but a prime minister prime ministers govern with the consent of the House of Commons representing the people in whom the sovereignty rests there is no consent there is no consent in this house to leave the European Union without a deal there is no majority for no deal in the country as I've said before if the Prime Minister has the confidence in his brexit policy when he has won he can put forward he should put it before the people in a public vote [Applause] he wants the table emotion for a general election fine gets the bill through in order to take no deal off the table [Applause] [Music] [Applause] any room for members order order I think the Chancellor of the Duchy that when he turns up at our children's school as a parent he's a very well behaved fellow he wouldn't dare behave like that in front of Colleen all and neither would I danger stick you lay dead rant spare us the theatrics behave yourself [Applause] boy DeVaughn the mystery inferred [Applause] yes we know that the attrex that he perfected at the mall a mystery and Blackford the Speaker I have to see the public will be watching these deliberations today and what they make of the being and the shouting this coming from the conservative side evidently noise this Prime Minister has a hundred percent record in losing votes in the House of Commons had some humility tonight but that's sadly lacking by Minister perhaps you might consider acting like a prime minister should due respect the thought which has taken place in this house tonight let us have a bill tomorrow this house can express his opinion that it wishes to remove No Deal as an option don't give us this nonsense of a fantasy that there is a deal to come from the government and it's simply not true the government must respect the sovereignty of the house of parliament must allow the bill to be enacted must allow it to have royal consent and yes let us have an election that respects the democracy of this host and the desire that parliamentarians have to make sure that we don't crash out on an ordeal business [Applause] yes point of order do Swinson on a point of order mr. speaker across the country people have been protesting because they are worried they are worried about the Prime Minister riding roughshod over our parliamentary democracy and tonight the House of Commons has spoken and said that we will not let that happen it is vital much as I relish the opportunity to take on the Prime Minister [Applause] is right this house with responsibility that does not tip our country into an election at a point where there is any risk the European Union during that election campaign or immediately after we must act responsibly weak point water and a Seabury [Applause] I'm not going to be I'm not going to be shouted down especially by any man mr. speaker tonight's vote made even the leader of the house sitter mr. speaker this Parliament has spoken and we have spoken on behalf of the jobs and the livelihood sand futures of our constituents yet again we have shown that we do not want a No Deal brexit and tomorrow we have the opportunity to make sure that yet again we do not crash out without a deal and I would remind the prime minister as one of the so-called leaders of the leaf campaign he promised the people of this country that we would not leave the European Union without a deal I think this house now has a right to know the following the rumor is that every single member of the Conservative Party who voted against their government tonight he's going to have the whip we've drawn from them mr. speaker if that's the case that must be the first time and it would involve vulnerable and right honourable members who have served their party and many would say their country for decades could the Prime Minister confirm will they have the whip withdrawn yes or no any we need to conduct a debate on that matter across the floor of the house it's not a matter of her adjudication by the chair but the right honourable lady has made her own point in her own way with her customary force and it's on the record and doubtless she will wish to return to that in times to come if there are no further points of order the court will now proceed to read the orders of the day census return particulars and removal of penalties bill committee not smooth thank you we proceed from that piece of business to motion number three election of select committee chairs notice of election the whip to moon thank you the question is as on the order paper in respect of motion number three on the election select committee chairs as many as are that a billion say I of the country now I think the eyes have it the eyes heavy order order actually button I must inform the house that Nicky Morgan he has given me notice of her resignation as chair of the Treasury Committee I declare the chair vacant nomination should be submitted by 12:00 noon on Tuesday the 10th of September only members of the conservative party may be candidates in this select committee chair election the ballots will take place on Wednesday the 11th of September from 10:00 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. order motion number 4 on broadcasting the whip to moon not not moved thank you order motion number 5 on exiting the European Union brackets air-quality close brackets whip to move not move thank you for order we come now to the adjournment the whip to move the question is that this house do now adjourn Jenny Chapman Thank You mr. speaker speaker when I was first elected to this place in 2010 I never thought that I would find myself standing up to challenge the government about the decimation of the UK sheep industry the ancient practice of shepherding is as old as the hills but it's now facing an unprecedented challenge walk by the tracks of a No Deal breakfast

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