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did we have a media investigation as to why traffic was so bad today judge we all made it here I don't I assume it was a great day to pave for we on record state of Indiana versus St AC under 4932 2301 F1 02213 defend presid person by council state by Deputy prosecutors were in second day bench trial we adjourned for the evening last night we are still on the state's case and chief State you have additional evidence you wish to forward to yes call you're next state will call detective Jamie Davis promise what you about to tell the court will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth under pain and penalty of purgery I do please have a SE W you comfortable can you tell me who you are and how you spell your name for our record uh detective Jamie Davis j a m i e d a v i s thank you judge um detective Davis let's just clarify um when this case happened were you detective Hadley yes ma'am okay so you have since changed your name yes okay um how are you employed I am a child abuse detective with Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department how long have you been with impd I have been with impd since June of 2014 and what kind of training did you go through to be an IM officer I've gone through so I started off as a gaming agent so I went through aia's gaming commission Academy back in 2007 um and then I went through I transferred to Shelbyville Police Department went through ia's basic Academy back in 2009 and then from there I transferred from Shelbyville to here and then went through lateral Indianapolis Academy for impd and that was in 2014 and prior to um so from 2014 to when you became a child abuse detective were you just a patrol officer at that point yes ma'am in what area did you work I started off at East district and then I moved downtown before coming into the child abuse unit okay did you do any Civic training when you came to the child abuse unit yes I went through a training period with a detective training officer uh that's generally 40 days and then um your on probation I believe it's a year from the you go into the unit have you done any specific uh school or trating as a part of your detective treating as well I have I've gone through the homicide and major crime school um in 2022 and then I also have gone through back in 2007 I went through a reed School of interation and interviewing as part of the gaming commissions Academy and then I've also gone through the Stan Walters interrogation and interviewing School in 2023 I had went through child first which is for child for uh forensic interviewers in 2023 and then I also went through um child homze and death investigation School um at Franklin PD in 2023 I'm going to draw your attention to Monday August 29th of 2022 were you working um in Your Capacity as a child abuse detective on that day yes ma'am and were you on call on that day I honestly don't remember if I was on call when you're in DT we call it dto when you're in detective training um even if runs come out as if you were on call you would typically take it okay um did you respond to a child fatality on that day at um Burton Avenue yes ma'am how are you notified of that case a street officer that was working officer Harvey requested a child use detective call okay and did you respond to the scene at that time uh not at that time I called the detective first and then gathered information uh another officer or another detective in the unit applied for a search warrant of the residence which was granted and I had it to the residents at that time okay um when you got to the house who did you speak with I spoke with the officer again when I got to the house and then I went in and introduced myself to DEA okay um can you describe her Diner in your first interaction with her initially she was just very quiet um she says I wanted to introduce myself and she just started talking about how she thought she knew what happened and um I went ahead and just turned on my recording and you know broke things down and get introduced myself got all of her information all of the children's information then had her start going through what she was meaning when I first like walked in um I just know she it was just real quiet and soft I didn't really think too much at first about it it was more the odd statement of her kids she thought her kids did something okay and at some point um you had a a training officer with you is that detective H yes ma'am um at some point did he tell you like hey wait for everybody to get here yes he did okay so you didn't get kind of a full statement then no ma' um you you waited um for the the quarters and whatnot yes ma' okay um and was this your first uh death investation that you were lead on yes ma'am had you been out on other death investigations yes ma'am okay um so you said her demeanor was quiet um that initial kind of encounter with a parent um how much stock do you put into that demeanor I really don't put a lot of stock initially in anyone's emotions during any of these types of Investigations part of the homide major schools was trauma training trauma informed and everybody experiences trauma difference l so it's just something that I mean you just know but it doesn't necessarily mean anything okay um what kind of did you do after you kind of introduced yourself to Deja and explain the process how did things kind of unfold going forward so I stepped out uh waited for the corners to get there and then once everybody arrived Corners DCS we went ahead and took a statement from DEA it was led by the coroner um that again I I recorded uh during that statement our crime lab had also arrived and I stepped away for a minute gave my recorder to detective H so that he could stay present and I wouldn't miss anything and go back listen and I kind of walk them through what I want it done at the residence okay um and we'll get back to the walkth through in a minute but the you said the initial kind of statement there was let by the coroner was he going through that studi form that we've kind of talked about a lot yes ma'am okay um so that's directing his questioning and the process that you go through on the scene yes ma'am okay so you said you directed crime lab what did you want crime lab to do in this case um DEA had mentioned a couple of different things on how she had found Alana uh she had mentioned a blanket being over Alana at one point she had mentioned pillows being over Alana at one point wasn't sure if either one was going to be relevant or not so I just asked crime lab to collect those I asked crime lab to take video of course of the entire residence and um to take photographs um and it was a fairly small resident so um was it they're pretty much kids stuff everywhere yeah okay um and at that point again you weren't sure what was relevant so you wanted everything yes ma'am okay um was anything else really happening that day besides that basic scene investigation that we've talked so much about no okay um what going forward um kind of what started happening in your investigation so the next day we myself and DCS attended the autopsy of Alana um it had been scheduled for 10:30 they were running a little behind and unfortunately I had another you know appointment outside of this casee that I had to leave the autopsy early but I DCS stayed for the whole thing um and then the following day I believe it was though 2930 the 31st refer to your notes at any point you can just that's what you're doing you can refresh your M um the 31st I received paperwork from DCS um they're called 310s and 31s it's basically the reports that DCS has and then um after that I believe it September 1st and I'll just double check the past yes um September 1st I was notified that all of the photos that crime had taken were uploaded to the system and then later that day I had received another email from a DCS worker stating that a sister Grace um Gracie Grace I'm not sure which to to call her but um she hadn't made a statement concerning okay so when you got notified about um Grace's statement what did you kind of do um next as a result of that notification um so according to the fcm that had emailed me Natalie sheer uh Jen Armstrong was involved in informing her of this so I notified Jen and asked her to come into my office that day if she could so that I can find out from her what was going on and what was said okay were you able to uh interview Jennifer armstr that day yes ma'am and then were you able to see the video that she had taken yes ma'am and is that the video that we watched in court yesterday yes ma'am okay um after interviewing Jennifer then did you schedule a forensic interview for Grace yes a forensic interview was scheduled I believe it end up being scheduled for September 7th and why do you schedule a forensic interview of Grace so it's important when you're getting statements from children to make sure that that child's best interest is in place and they're trained child forensic interviewers that will do just that so it creates a safe environment for them to feel free to talk about whatever honestly whatever they want to talk about and to give them that kind of space be able to feel open enough to disclose any information that they might have and at that point you had not gone through the 40-hour training that a forensic interviewer does but you s have is that correct correct um and forensic interviews are a pretty big part of what you do is that fair to say Yes um and you've watched plenty of forensic interviews yes um are they meant to be non- meing in fashion yes do children um always disclose in an interview even if they previously okay um after that interview did Grace make any disclosure about what happened with Alana in her interview no ma'am okay um what is the did you receive any other information from DCS going forward about T's case yes uh some I'm sorry oh you're F what was that um at some point I had requested from um DCS fcm Kirsten Bryant any notes that she may have had and I knew that they had taken an initial uh drug screen on scene that day I asked her if she ever had the results of those and I was able to obtain those as well okay and we kind of already heard about that but DEA did test positive for methampetamine and amphetamine meth yes ma' okay um so at this point you have not done a formal interview of see or an interrogation correct correct okay um but as the investigation has evolved you've gotten some other pieces of information that you were wanting to confront with is that fair yes ma'am okay is there a final piece of information that you kind of wanted to have before you formally interrogated her the autopsy report um and why was it important to you to kind of have all that information prior to Bringing I wanted to to know as much as possible before bringing her in it kind of helps me determine um how to address all of the inconsistencies throughout the investigation and how to move forward okay um did you finally reive the autopsy report yes ma'am and did you discuss the findings with the path pathologist um prior like after you got the report just to kind of clarify some things for yourself I I know I talked to her after the statement from Grace okay um and I was asking her questions regarding riger mortiss and hper morce and she sent me some information on it to help me understand how all of that works and then I also um if you don't mind I'd like to refer to my notes you may oh yes sorry um I also asked her about smothering if there's any signs and things of that nature what to look for if there's anything that she would be able to tell from an autopsy regarding that okay um before we get to D's interview I do want to just go through a couple things from the scene um and the places that you were specifically looking at so I'm going to um me approach the witness in defense has already looked through these this morning I'm going to show you what's been Mar for purposes of identification as 7 8 9 10 12 13 14 15 and 16 um do you recognize those you can look through all of them take your time yes ma'am and are those photos true and accurate from your scen investigation at the Burton Avenue address this case yes ma'am judge at this time I would move 7 8 9 10 12 13 14 15 and 16 in evidence no objection we should have stay seven through it including 10 12 through an including 16 admitted without objection and I'm going to show them on the all right detective um States exhibit 7 is just the outside of the house um that your respond to to correct yes ma'am okay um States exhibit 8 this is uh the swing that was in the front room is that correct yes ma'am okay um and why was that relevant to you was that a part of some of her initial uh discussion of what happened that night yes ma'am it was okay um and then St exhibit 9 UM is that how everything was when when you got there yes ma'am okay so there on the couch is a lana um covered up with a blinket is that correct yes ma'am and then States exhibit 10 isana on scene that day is that correct yes ma'am um in States exhibit 12 this is that couch but just the couch after shoes moved correct and is that from um so after Elana was taken away would that been like when you guys were doing the reenactment and whatnot I believe so yes okay um now States exhib with 13 and 13 15 and 16 is this the bedroom um where daa and the baby were supposed to be sleeping yes ma'am okay so there's um an adult bed and there's a pack and play but um I think Houston Bryant has already described that it was full of items and St 15 is just another view of that is that correct correct same room and state 16 is more focused on the pack Place correct it is yes and then States 14 is that the children's room where um the other two minor children were sleeping yes ma'am all right and why um obviously the area where um Alana was is relevant why are the bedrooms and the sleeping Arrangements relevant to your investigation it shows us a layout of the residents and the house and how everything was and it could be relevant depending on the statements that were given during the investigation okay and so um the the swing that we saw that would not be considered a safe place for an invent to sleep correct and the couch that we saw would not be considered a safe place for the invent to sleep correct um and obviously p and play that was full of things would not be this a safe place for them to just leave that's correct and um it is also not safe for an infant to be sleeping in bed with a mother mumbling what you're mumbling sorry the bed that the mother was sleeping in would also not be a safe place for the infant is that correct that is correct okay um um so that was uh your scene investigation and then fast where you'd gotten this other information do you finally bring DEA in for an interview once you got the autopsy yes ma'am okay um and was she um advised of her rights prior to giving you an interview yes ma'am great I'm going to show you what's been marked for purposes of identification as States EX 17 um do you recognized States exhibit 17 yes ma'am and what is that it's the advice of Rights form that we go through with anybody that we bring in who's a potential suspect and do you go through that um in the written form and verbally with her yes ma'am and did she State she understood and signed that and agree to speak with you yes ma'am at this time I state 17 into no show 17 admitted without objection now also going to show you stage 18 do you recognize this recording yes ma'am and how do you recognize it it's the uh audio or video recording of the statement during the interview that I took on the follow-up interview apologize okay uh and that's the video recorded interview on January 18th of 2023 yes ma'am okay um and have you reviewed that disc prior to today yes ma'am and is that a accurate um representation of your interview day on that day yes ma' judge at this time I move 18 and 18 admitted without objection and by agreement of the parties the court is going to watch that at a later time um so I will just move this is the three hour tape yes okay I will just move on um ultimately at end of that interview um well D made statements to you about a different version of events is that correct that is correct and what specifically did she tell you happen kind ultimately ultimately at end by the end of she did tell you a couple versions in that interview is that what is the final version that she told you uh the final version was that basically she was high on what she took that she believed was called it was a rolling pill that's how I was referred to it but she believed it was Molly um and what is Molly oh I apologize Molly is a drug that kind of gives you it's an upper in a sense but it kind of gives you this relax like everybody knows it as a love drug or something along that line that's the best way I can describe it but it's it's an illegal substance that individuals take to relax and would it be consistent with like MDMA or ecstasy yes is that what we're trying to about okay sorry that's okay um so she told you she was high and and what um so basically she said that she was high and she was tired and Alana had been crying and ultimately she ended up picking up Alana and facing her towards the crease and the couch so if you have the back of the couch and then the seating area she placed her right here face towards the crease um and once she kind of made those statements to you did you arrest her at that time I spoke with a prosecutor about everything um and then yes ultimately I arrested her okay um so after her um interview that day did you get any additional search warrants as a part of your investigation I did she had a couple of phones on her I do not believe either of these were the phones that she had at my initial time initial investigation back in 2022 however we still collected those applied for a search warrant to search those phones and um try to find any information that we could relevant to the investigating so um you got a digital forensics return um on both on the phone um her phone data mhm um but none of that was directly pertinent to your investigation correct um and at this point a period of um about four or five months had passed correct yes ma'am okay um I can just one second um during daa statement she was um you were consoling her is that fair yes ma' okay and um she was making she was crying yes ma'am she was making statements to you as you were kind of comforting to her yes ma'am are any of those statements things that you heard that are hard to hear on the video yes ma'am and can you tell me about those yes ma'am um she was actually sitting on my lap and crying in my shoulder and had said that she did her baby wrong and said that she smothered her baby um I can refer to my PC for the exact statement but okay go she said that she just needed sleep and that she's mothered her baby and she should have never did Alana that way she should have never earned AA around I have any other questions at this time and I assume you're reserving the right to have additional questions after the court reviews 18 yes your defense wish to cross as to this part of the witnesses testimony yes think did you um you were um you have been in the child abuse unit since July 2022 yes sir and this came towards the end of August of 2022 yes sir and at that time you were still um supervised by a training officer is that correct that is correct and the officer was with you on scene that day that day 8 292 yes he was on scene with me I apologize and this was your first death child death investigation that as leate detective yes well you were not lead detective before as far as the child abuse unit is that correct correct okay so this would have been your first um case as lead detective in the child yes okay were you lead detective in any other type of investigation other than children death investigation before other than I sorry death investigation yes sir and that would have been in um crimes not related to children at all no sir okay and what what were you investigating before all I investigate as a child abuse detective is crimes against children so we investigate physical abuse we investigate sexual abuse and we investigate death investigations children and we also investigate neglect um cases such as oses or unsafe living conditions things of that nature so between July when you started in the child ad this unit July 2022 to August 29 you have been lead detective in other cases or you were still in dram so it's I see what you're saying I'll try to explain it so it's better to understand I would get assign my own cases and detective hul would get ass sign his own cases as I work through my cases detective hul was my person to go to and to ask questions where did I go next what did I do next that type of thing so yes I was lead in multiple investigations however I was still being trained and guided throughout those investigations but before of that case there hasn't been just any other child death prior to this I was not lead on any other child that'ss okay now moving on when you first walked into that se you immediately were thinking of unsafe sleeping conditions that's why yes sir and you interviewed Deja on C that day yes sir it was a short interview yes sir about 7 Minutes roughly there was a little bit longer interview that happened with the DCS investigator the the coroner Corner yes it was the corner of DCs and myself all present and that was about 39 minutes or so roughly and he was talking mostly asking questions about standard of care questions in general about children how she does SE correct as the form is used during those um child death investigation Sly um so you did say something today about her giving multiple Stories the multiple stories then would have happened in the January interview is that right no sir so she gave multiple stories on the seven minutes that you did on 829 7 Minutes of interview no no sir okay so you have interviewed Deja Lacy two times is that correct yes sir so you have interviewed de two times that day or two times in general you interviewed her for 7 minutes on 82922 and then you interviewed her for 3 hours on January 23 yes sir that's correct that's correct okay so two interviews yes sir all right so the multiple stories that she gave you were in both interviews is what you're are saying or all in the 3 hour interview there was combinations between the statements I took from the officer and what he was told okay between what she said during the corner interview which I was present for as well as my short 7-minute interview and then again during the 3-hour interview all right and we agreed that the corer investigator was focusing on standard of sui information yes no type question for that you part of that is how you found the baby part of that is part of my investigation as well okay now on 829 um 2922 you were talking or present while Deja was talking for about 45 minutes between the two times between the two inter for most of that yes sir you did not notice her being high is that right correct okay no uh falling asleep slow speech anything like that she was just really soft spoken that that was the biggest thing that I noticed and again like I said through trauma training I didn't take too big of a stock in that you did not document or no this hor being hot is that correct correct okay now um you discussed during that interview with her on that day the day you reported to the scene there was a conversation about putting Alana to bed around 2: a.m. is that correct with she and I yes would have to refer you you you can you can refresh your also if you have a copy problem there is a lot of detail so I just want make sure I'm correct that's fine yes sir by I believe this looks like this was during the Corner's statement okay so there was a conversation about putting sleep around 2: a.m. 1 to 2: a.m. okay and that's in boting h sleep this is also when the bbing the B to her mouse was discussed yes sir okay now at the end of that day at 2922 um de was not show to of any cries correct children as we heard previously were not removed from the cave is that correct that is correct now I want to move on quickly to um we heard from David Lac yesterday you have not interviewed David Lacy is that right that is correct I spoke to him on scene but I didn't interviewed okay no recorded stat okay now we saw uh pictures here cour today that were taken um these pictures were taken on scene but the child had already been removed put on the floor by em things like that yes that's right another this is not exactly how you this is how you may maybe this is how you imagine the child was but you don't know sure if that's how she really was or not that is correct yes sir now I'm going to move on to um the later stages of the investigation okay going forward at some point you learn about Grace state that correct yes sir and at that point you hadn't had the autopsy yet that correct so you talk to the doctor yes sir and you tell the doctor about bra's statement is that correct yes sir and Grace was then U interviewed by a forensic interviewer yes she was interviewed and as you testify today those are trained people to get statements out not in that term but it's it's trained individuals to be able to provide a safe environment for children feel comfortable to be able to talk about whatever they you talk about whatever traumatic event is wi yes sir and they are training to make the children feel safe so they can say whatever it is that they s or no yes sir and Grace did not repeat in that you what she had said that is correct okay and specifically you testify today that these interviews are done in a non-leading man manner is that correct correct I want to talk to you next about the reenactment video okay you was there when it was done yes sir and uh Alana had just been removed from the SE when it happed yes sir we U saw an individual in that video was that the DCS investigator in the reenactment video there were few people in the video specifically there was a manting like black no sir that was the corner okay the door fears yeah that that was was him yes sir okay and you were there so was your training officer at the time uh detective yes sir yes now no other police or medical professionals were were unseen during the AC video I'm not sure where the police officers were during the video but we did have police on scene okay now you testify say that you were on a probation period for about a year right and you also testified today to a number of uh training courses that you have done in 2023 since you have done the interview with Leia in January I believe was January 18th of 2023 these training courses happen after that interv that is correct okay I want to talk to you about the ice mother to my baby stat at that point DET were you aware of um other statements about I killed my baby I killed my baby outside the scene outside the house the day was an incident uh are you referring to what dea's father said correct I was not worried about that until yesterday in the courtroom okay okay you have never heard that before no sir right now um You testified today that she said in the 3-hour interview I smothered my baby but we will not be able to hear that exactly yes sir and in fact as a trained detective in general train detective inter VI when someone makes what appears to be a confession you are train to elaborate and get more on that is that correct I don't know that I understand your question when someone makes what appears to you to be a confession as a detective you are trained to getting to elaborate talk more about yes yes is that fair to say yes sir and you try to do that in this situation that's right that is correct and that did not result in was hearing I smothered my baby again is that right right she didn't say I smothered my baby again okay so the one time she said it only you heard it and we can hear it is that right unfortunately yes okay even though when you try to get her to elaborate she had just said it a minute or two earlier is that right yeah I believe so yes if I'm understanding you correctly detective I want to talk to you about the crease of the couch yes sir that you testified to today and as we said um the couch obviously didn't change position the couch was always in that position is that right that is correct and is it fair to say the crease the crease of the couch would have been towards Alana's left side I don't know how Alana was initially found okay to be able to tell you in the pictur we saw is it fair to say it was towards the que for left side the crease was towards Alana's left side correct but she had already been moved correct and I understand okay and in the reenactment video the manner that de pointed um or acted like she did with Alana also was it was to her left side yes sir okay thank you you're welcome read thank you I just want to Circle back to a couple things with that um so we'll start with just back to kind of the scene uh you were asked about you walking you're looking for unsafe sleep situations is that always what you do if there an infant death is that always something that you have to investigate can you rephrase your question it was a long question um if you are responding to an infant death is unsafe sleep always something you're going to investigate regardless of the circumstances yes ma'am okay that was better right yes ma'am um and we had talked a little bit about kind of the drugs that DEA thought she was taking or that she actually did take did you do some research on those drugs just so you understood yes ma'am okay and with meth did you kind of learn that there was a come down period afterwards there is yes and you talked to DEA about that a lot in her interview correct I did okay um now let's go to the forensic interview process um the purpose of a forensic interview is not to elicit a disclosure from a child it's just to give them the space to disclose if they want to correct that is correct so in fact an interviewer is prohibited by protocol asking them direct questions yes a child forensic interviewer um as a law enforcement officer and also a child forensic interviewer I would typically have leeway however I wasn't child fic interviewer at that time sure so the interviewer that this is all they do they're even if they know that the interview is about baby Alana they can't go in there and be like tell about baby Alana correct okay um in your interview we've kind of talked about you know she you hear her saying I smothered her and and you did interview training prior to this interview your other law enforcement train yes okay yes so um some of your detective in child training has come after this case but you did have a foundation of interiew school yes ma'am okay so when she when you're hearing her say mother you are repeating it back to her is that correct yes throughout the followup I did okay and I have that you probably said that to her about five times did she then ever come back and say no that's not what I said no ma'am okay um and in fact she acknowledged to you that she was aware of things like not putting infants on the couch not putting blowes around them and things like that yes ma'am okay um and we've talked a lot about aana as positioning um the only person that knows how Alana was found is De Lacy correct that is correct and de Lacy has not told law enforcement CS or anyone a consistent story about how Alana was found that's correct nothing further oh judge I do have just omitted I'll move St exhibit 19 as the demonstrative which is a transcript no all right which states 19 admitted for demonstrative purposes with the understanding that 18 is the actual evidence 19 is there simply to assist the court at 18 any differences between 18 and 19 18 is the actual evidence anything further stay further questions from the defense yes okay detective you have not been present dur the forensic interview is that correct I was present when when Grace was the interviewer in room you were there not in the room I was watching it live on a scen okay but so you were I I apologize I didn't understand what you meant by not in the room but you did watch it that's really my point that is correct and in that interview baby Lana was about was mentioned by Grace is that right yes sir conversation was she was discussed Lana was disussed yes sir she just Grace just didn't say the things that allegedly she said to everyone else outside that's that's correct because we did hear Jennifer yesterday testify to saying this to the friends and family someone at school or church something like that is that right yes sir you just didn't say it in the infu intervie that is correct thank you you're welcome just briefly okay um every forensic interview kind of starts with family if I is correct yes sir ma'am sorry that's okay um nervous sorry but then the interviewer can't ask um anything about a SP of day or event correct correct nothing okay give me a second in terms of my notes tell me again when did Grace do her forensic interview what day I believe it was January 7th but I can check my notes really fast or I'm sorry not January Grace not did I say DEA no no no but my question is about Grace okay yes Grace it was September 7th 2022 I believe you'd indicated that the pack and play was not a safe place for uh a lot of this to sleep is that right yes sir that pack in play had several items in it right was so and so I'm clear since in terms of my my male lack of knowledge show we're looking at uh the item that's in States 15 and 16 correct the the blue rectangular object yes sir all right now was it be unsafe because of the Clutter that was inside or would it have been unsafe even if all the items contained within 15 and 16 or the the pack and play if it had been empty would it have been in a safe place I honestly would have to see the bottom of the pack and play to know cuz babies need to be on a like a harder surface flat surface some pack and plays are different than others and are not safe but if it came from a manufacturer generally you would have anticipated that it would have been a safe place would it not potentially I'm not saying pack and plays generally are unsafe potentially like I said because of the lack of hard surface on the bottom yeah and I've had other investigations where they were not safe okay but your primary determination for 15 16 I assume was because of the Clutter inside yes sir okay and the bed itself would never have been a proper place correct that is correct you referring to dea's bed de's bed right yes a 2month old should never be sleeping with an adult in an adult bed that is correct you were asked whether or not on your initial investigation going to the scene um that you didn't say see any signs of uh the defendant being intoxicated or high at that time that you primarily you noticed that she was softspoken is that correct that's correct all right were you surprised when the T results came back the way they did Bas based on your observation ever not really the offs spoken kind of makes a little more sense with someone coming off of meth but I would have never have guessed she had meth on board that day I think those are all the questions I have prior to looking at the actual statement itself questions on the Court's question State no defend and judge may we um get look at the pictures thank you detective um the rolling bill was taken that potentially that Friday before the Monday then he to the Friday of second day before the Monday when you talk that weekend either between Friday and Sunday from my understanding what the different statements I got okay detective I going to show you States exhibit 14 that's I believe is another back and play if this if the items that we see at the bottom of that were removed would that make it a safe place to sleep then for infants I honestly be able to answer that unless it was like right here and I could look at it and fill the bottom okay I there are items I think we can see in the picture if if we can if we remove them and it's empty would it be safe again it I'm not able to answer that it's the same question I asked her basically yeah sorry depends on the quality and the hardness of the what you don't know sir which I don't know yes sir for I'm sorry the questions from the any state yes the the uh pack and play that Mr manur showed you um that was for Julius correct that is correct okay and it would not have been safe for Julius and aana to be sleeping together at one and two months that correct that is correct nothing nothing judge jge so basically what you say it's never safe to put two kids in the same back and play that is correct okay very good anything else no judge no judge okay all right at this point then do we have any other evidence for the court to consider other than going through State's exhibit 18 and 19 no defense anything other than what I need to review at 18 and 19 at this time no judge okay and just for scheduling purposes other than te do you have any other other Witnesses after her I did not anticipate okay so the state would be anticipating resting at that point okay all right and you actually time 18 just how long it is it is 3 hours there are some time stamps that the court can skip like I think there's 15 minutes at the beginning um that you can kind of skip over but does defense agree yes tell me and I can skip over what um so if you look at the transcript there's a time stamp um okay and there's like like right here it says 1336 speaking walking in the room so you can start there um there's a couple places throughout where it says that like detective Hadley leaves the room honestly those are not for more than longer than 5 minutes so it might not be worth skipping then the video might not restart you want me to see the pauses or I do not want you to see the volage I don't unless you want to of course but all right well either way both sides agree it doesn't have the pauses don't have evidentiary value that's correct correct by just not like I know some interviews have like an hour of dead time in the middle that is not this okay all right well time is 10:20 I do have a 10:30 calendar um I'm probably going to start pretty soon right yes okay started the the tape I do have um I will take lunch um and so there probably be an hour break then what I will do is uh notify you when I've finished the tape um and from there um my assumption is is the Bas you told me before both sides will have additional questions for the te was that fair or not have you already covered we are done with DET ask questions all right all right so my assumption is is that when I'm done when I come back the state will have will have arrested yes okay and so does the defense intend to push put on any evidence as of right now no okay all right so once I finish the tape then alert both sides we come back um and then do argument um and uh finish it up okay likely be in a different for the uh yes likely be in a different from the location all right so you'll get the location from Mr O Conor make Mr all right anything further from either side you can step down okay thank you anything further mistake all rightt will be iness all right you have two SS I think one of the pictures and that

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Published: Wed Apr 17 2024