Tom Tom B amazing oh V common everybody Vil common Vil common you Vil common yep that's what they say I don't make the rules Tom said it cost me 50 bucks an hour but love having that shouted at me uh how are you doing I'm doing good I am doing good I um I got a little sneaky early treat I got the legions imperialist book oo not it's not until Saturday but I've been reading it today wow wow wow wow a sneaky sneaky Goblin wow wow wow wow wow wow uh that's pretty rad yeah pretty nice I can give you all a nice little rant about it later if you like as if you're all very good that or maybe that maybe that should be the punishment if you're not good I will rant about the new epic rules to you oh god oh no is it punishment or treat well I'm sure some of them will love it and some of them will hate it uh well we'll see how I'm feeling see how it's going um but can you give us a like a that's tricky cuz I haven't played it yet so I can't the thumb the thumb stays mid until game is played that's the rule although I feel like you can give us a without playing it prediction you know I give predictive thumb not an actual thumb yeah cuz you you played enough kind of games that you know I'm sure in the the same way like I can look at like a a role playing rul set and be like these look like they'll be a lot of fun or like I don't like this like maybe it'll be great on the table but I'm going to guess probably not okay I'm going to be like models rulle uh models and setting very cool it looks fantastic um gameplay feels like a mid right now and learning and remembering the rules feels like a big learning rules that's my least favor CU holy moly there are so many needlessly complicated special rules in that book oh God [ __ ] my balls [ __ ] my ball I think it's be one of those games if you play it a lot and you just learn all that [ __ ] and get used to it it will be okay just becomes yeah it's like second nature but your first five games will be just insufferable yeah my theory how many cheat sheets do you need well there's 20 pages of universal special rules good luck fitting those on the sheet that's that's too many Universal special rules bird I know because guess what half the [ __ ] units aren't in the book [Music] yet rules haven't even got the prim marks yet how many rules do you think they'll have stick another 20 on I guess once we got them and all the individual Legion special units and stuff oh God hold on to your butts the rules are coming for you get drowned in special rules J how are they going to sell the primar ah they'll be Forge World like the blood ball star players right but will they do you're not just going to buy like one Primark they do a set of like LA or no I think it will be um his rogal Dawn and his uh Shield Dawn Brigade right Dawn brers and you know here's um I don't know fulgrim and the [ __ ] boys ooh okay well one's got like a cooler bit of branding to I know which Squad I want to join it will be you know four stands of elite Legion specific troops and their Prime Arc for like 30 quid or something like that W probably that's my guess probably wow I wonder if they'll all need separate hardback books that's the real treat isn't it yeah how many hardback books did they manage to get for titanicus right now oh yeah they're probably quite a few right uh cuz like I didn't know how good we had it with the um the Horus heresy book 99% of all the units rules and weapons are in those those books like the legion Army books has basically everything apart from some really Niche special units that have um come out in like free PDFs but basically everything's there all the main Vehicles all the main troop types all the characters all the the primarch they're just in that one big book that you buy um only four books no they must have Consolidated some of them or out of printed them surely oh no look they've compendium them oh that compendium is probably like four different books right okay you can buy them all again very cool yeah before they compendium it there was at least four or five maybe more but kind of knowing that at some point they will do a compendium it makes me not want to buy the book separately cuz they did the same with blood bow where now that's got like compendiums okay uh instead website no I'll be really interested to see how they space it out because I'm kind of fuming right now that I'd say less than 30% of the units are in this book that's not super chill like the only tanks there are are predators sarons and oses which one of the sarons they the little baby tanks no they're the ones with like the big double turret oh okay sure so you know no no Sabers no land Raiders no Spartans no vindicators no whirlwinds no um what are those other ones called you see what I'm saying anyway it's like 20% of the tanks are in that yeah so you well yeah no bikes no land Speeders no drop Parts no bikes do we not have bikes previewed already oh I guess they're not out for a while no they're not in the book I tell you sad times uh feels bad no land Raiders is the real [ __ ] dumb one that does seem very cold honestly it feels like like a third of a game right now like imagine if they brought out a total war but with no Cavalry or artillery yeah people would not be happy about that and then they would just like yeah just wait three months and buy a new new box then you'll get your rest of Game Holy Moly so every book is 303 but at least at least these are specific to your thing right like if you play Goliath maybe you need the Goliath book yeah but you probably don't need the ash Wast book yeah yeah but in hor y everyone the [ __ ] same everyone needs to buy the book that has land Raiders in and the book with the drop pods in do you see what I mean yeah when you do need just to take those units El back NE was one book and then they did a second book too many books that was enough wow wow wow wow wow anyway okay here we go Warhammer news uh question for you both I'm getting my nephew something for Christmas what would you say is a good starter set for a 10-year-old war or Titan yeah cuz then you can have it and it's the same size as them so that's yeah oh it's like a friend yeah it's like a big cuddly friend that you can't cuddle too hard no or it breaks uh where are the Stu I mean depends if they like fantasy or sci-fi I'm just going to assume 40K um this one's pretty good because it comes with the Clippers and the models don't need glue and you get a paintbrush and some basic colors like this is a really good like way to go do you hate this or do you like this you know you build a model you paint a model you play a tiny game and also even if they're not into it it's it's not a Avalanche of stuff yeah you know it's enough to get a taste yeah yeah like a good starting point sure um cuz otherwise you'll have to buy a box of guys and five or six paints and some clippers like you'll end up spending far more than this oh on like extra bits cuz yeah that's only like 25s more and you get you get a bigger Army but you don't get the Clippers and the brushes and the paints and all that kind of stuff it depends how much of a complete starter they are you know yeah that's fair very fair uh yeah I think men's right I agree I second this or do they still do the one that's literally just like three dudes and three paints for like 10 quid uh I don't know if they make that anymore I don't know do you know the one I mean I one they like used to be a thing maybe they've stopped those yeah I guess like had to be a little bit bigger uh there is a second page but unlikely yeah I mean don't start h yeah the avenging son there you go 10-year-old I got you a book I got you book eight of ga's ghosts wow okay um I think there's an even smaller one of this but I don't know where it is uh a sigma start here maybe there's like maybe it's an a sigma thing I don't know I feel like just something that has just a few paints and a few wa what that what's that start here buy these ghost boat ghost boat is cool yeah don't know if it's a starting point the ti tiia Mariner uh very sweet very nice love a ghost boat wow I'll just get your get your nephew the malign sorceries oh yeah sure you don't need like troops to play a game mm just umbral pendulum just wizard Wars God it looks a bit like I'm this is actually a very competitive Army of [ __ ] dream BLS it really does doesn't it this is a tournament Elite standard of dream blade actually it's very efficient dream blade Force I see you've gone for the three sets of living manacles wow that knife Storm's kind of fun knife storm I mean as stupid as they are I do kind of like the endless spells like yeah it's fun it's a different thing to paint for your is and it's like it's totally different change of pace you can do something a bit wacky yeah yeah and it's way more fun than just going I purple Sun you being able to just go way cooler I don't know what would the 40K equivalent of these be I guess the same right for yeah it just be like psychic powers but just stay in play Oh or uh you know Vortex grenade oh oh yeah they did do one of those you remember like a half a sphere the metal half sphere yeah was a bit boring compared to these though right yeah yeah these are way more fun uh but yeah yeah I think one of those like sets I think yeah You' definitely because you need some paints that's sort of how you start right or you build your own starter set right you go to a non-games workshop to get paints for half the price get three or four of those and then you get them a box of five whatever they think is cool and you build your own little starter pack I think that that probably work or on bombardment just flip the table you savage uh so what else is going on in the wild world of war hammies there's this guy who I I pretty think is pretty cool actually new thousand son librarian he works in 30k or 40K to be honest do a ghost it was a ghost ignoring it if we pay more attention to it it'll do it more oh yeah I guess that is how ghosts work uh he yeah he's fine looks like a thousand Sun yeah but he's like a slightly less chaos, Sun guy right like if you were doing like loyalist thousand sons and you didn't want all the chaos weirdness but why would you would you get have the one summoning little baby screamer that's yeah it's way more cool uh but he's instead of the Imperial Eagle he's got a Scarab with angel wings yeah is a cool bit of iconography but those guys do Roll poop around right does that mean they're insinuating that this guy's head is a ball of poop yeah no cuz they uh uh push it backwards right they oh okay so his junk is a ball of poop his junk is a ball of poop or it is ready to push the poop out it's like a sign of good gut health M big full tummy the sigil pushes the poop away why does Tom dislike the horse heresy so much it's because it's boring I find it boring that's fair when everyone is a super space Soldier no one is a super space Soldier that's true that's why I don't care for it thank you for coming to my T talk I can see why like by comparison 40K is much more interesting there's a lot more going on that's um that's it I appreciate both uh but no if you if you like it I yeah be into it um but yeah like I um I just think it's less less exciting yeah I mean you really got to like Space Marines to care about the horer yeah also yeah cuz I think even space mares aren't even my favorite thing in 40K let alone in uh the heresy and uh it's the part of law that I wish was less developed yeah I like it being more ambiguous rather than knowing every single [ __ ] detail how many Space Marine characters how many named Space Marines now exist wow they've really got to Pat out those books so quite a lot of them yeah they got a thousand oo make a whole chapter of named characters if you include the like the custodes probably but each custodes has a thousand names see that's real P there's one horror you know how they always list all the characters names and who they are in the front of the book and it's like two or three pages there's one book where there's just like 47 custodies names one after another because everyone they like there's this one group where they all get named like this the this crack Squad oh no and so but they none of them have any dialogue like they don't matter they're not characters they're just background extras [ __ ] names every single one of them it's like three pages of just custodes names oh my God okay wow there's too many there's too many um anyway I think he's cool I like him a lot if I was doing thousand Sons I would probably get him yeah I like him I don't hate it he's pretty good it's a shame they got the real Raw Deal in the rules of uh 30k yeah they like cuz my uh the friend who I played with the most he did thousand suns and honestly they felt like it was a trait do you know what I mean like they'd be better off with no Special Rule they can cast Fireballs fire pits but they just might die when they do it yeah like the main the proper character Wizards can cost cool spells but the regular squads can cost like minor spells but 40% of the time they kill themselves and the 60% of the time the spell goes off it is much much worse than the equivalent of losing two or three guys I mean okay like it's it's high risk low reward okay isn't that's not how uh that should be working out no so you're honestly just better off not casting spells with your units and then your army has no Special Rule I I think I I watched the battle report of uh when the new horor sesy came out and it was Thousand Suns versus uh Space Wolves mhm and they'd really gone heavy into like putting down the templates or whatever the fire stor fire fire pits yeah and uh whoever was casting they had lost I don't know I'm just going to make it up a number 25% of their casters MH um and then the space w players was like well you haven't Advanced into no man's land I'm not going to go onto your fire spells so I'm just not going to really do anything this turn and you've lost a load of points you've killed half your army you've killed a load of your models I've not done anything I don't really have anything at range but why would I walk into this cuz if you do it again you're going to lose another 20% of your army and if you don't I will move in and charge you so I don't see why why would we uh no take part in this this game that you're playing also there's an item that any army can take any librarian if you take a librarian in your army you can spend like 20 points for a psychic hood and now any enemy Wizards who cast spells within 24 Ines of your librarian get like I forget what it is but it's something like they have to roll an extra dice or they fail on a higher double it just it basically means there's like a 30% increased chance of [ __ ] up your psychic SP oh jeez wow that's cheap if you stick him in the middle it affects their entire Army oh God and you're just like yeah I've spent 25 points to make you kill twice as many of your guys W that's pretty pretty strong yeah it's real dumb oof that times yeah so like I did offer like I said like after the battle like next time we play should I just not use my Legion Special Rule to like even this out you basically don't have one yeah when yours is just just a negative for your arm bad bad times uh okay well what else have we got uh what else have we got um what is this there's a new red Gobo there's two red Gobo models today no this is his Nemesis is this black Gobo oh right the big Squig that eats all the presents maybe I didn't read any of the stuff I I think red Gobo drops presents and then this squid comes and eats them all yeah it's pretty fun model I mean they've painted it beautifully yeah like holy moly like when you look at some of the detail like look at that cool little space Oh and a tiny little Sigma Sig right very fun uh but can we zoom and enhance like getting the painting on the side of these boxes on those combat trolls I hadn't noticed that level of detail is wow that's that's some Next Level [ __ ] so good Jesus and I bet that's just a smooth flat surface right for yeah normal human is amazing wow you can even tell those are Terminators yeah and they're tucked behind the teeth yes jeez well hats off to whoever painted this that is incredible just a public service warning yours will not look like this no no you're not going to paint as nice as those bits yeah looks absolutely red really really cool that's awesome I'm into it I don't know what his rules are let's have a look see what his 40K rules are uh he's loan operative so already amazing for only 40 points just immediately we take him for free uh if the each time this mod lends a normal Advance fallback or charge move once selected enemy unit within three Ines uh R 66 on four plus they suffer R so it's like a little grenade he just Auto grenades every time he moves wow oh my God cuz you could just like move next to someone bomb them and then charge them oh my God like he damage all grin within 6 in uh oh they get there um they generate a oh a CP on a two plus yeah cool so could you use both him and the red gobbo in the same Army cuz then you can do all the grenading with him too oh man those guys working together oh he can fly nice he's a squeak I mean he bounces but sure or is he a magic reindeer flying well he doesn't have a glowing nose so maybe but I guess the other ones they don't have GL noses either no no they just needed that to see okay very cool what a happy boy he's this guy he's having a great time I'm along for the journey too a little elf Goblin uh very nice um I assume it's the black goo looks like it does it say somewhere or does he have a cool new name oh yeah probably the the Noir Goblin night right okay uh uh uh maybe sure very cool uh what's next whoa let's hello everybody that's too loud that's too loud uh armies on Parade oh there's usually some beautiful armies in here isn't there I haven't looked at this yet yeah me neither I thought we could just have a little um have a little bit of a zoom as well Zoom just or two of these see what's going down I mean that's real nice they look great as we said black Templars doing Dark Angels better than Dark Angels they look very cool nice scenery as well I don't love this style of basing personally where everyone's on their own little platform do you know what I mean like a couple of bits like that is all right um it's got a lot of them but if everyone if everyone does it then uh less less red but very nicely painted H good job uh got some close-ups very nice pretty pretty toys they looks like they've hand painted or are those custom shoulder pads they look kind of 3D I'm not sure I don't no got that Banner's well done as well isn't it but yeah these the gold winners are they winners uh yeah sweet uh oh Crimson fist You Don't See Crimson fist very often oh wow that's always fun looks way bigger than those black Templars yeah almost as well painted but like four times as much of it what's the rule how many are you allowed I like the crush drop pod that's cool little burned out transport too that's fun it's got little like smoke tokens I wonder what they're for oh does he have the Call of Duty boys do they put down the smoke to oh yeah they can spend a command point or something to smoke smoke him if you got them okay sure his dread Nots like firing Rockets wow it's fun SP brains a lot of wreckage going around I like his Banner Bearer that's the guy stabbing the orc but he's replaced it with a banner oh cool forwards okay nice what are these guys just another flavor of Space Marines Ultram man's I like the the board the board looks cool big door's fun the weird like emperor in the sky is kind of wacky he's got a muasa Vibe yeah the circle of life what's the difference between Crimson Fist and ultramarines Crimson fists have red fist true ultramarines don't no otherwise they're basically the same the Crimson fist are a darker blue and are cooler yeah that's what I'd say is the difference I'd agree with that um God is it all Space Marines is it all Space Marines come on hooray I just want to have a quick look at those guys they're yellow why have they got a random Crimson fist in there Reas they got like story going on oh I thought a dreadn was being built but it's not all uh yeah okay that's too many Space Marines what do we got got tyranids pretty fun very nice the green does kind of blend into the green though yeah it's kind of hard to I don't love the color choice on the pl on the background oh do they have an old one eye oh yeah just like one red red More Space Marines jeez guys give it a rest I guess just most people play Space Marines yeah that's true and so there's going to be more wow that's it what there's one not Space Marine Army yeah so you better go and buy some Space Marines if you want to win jeez I feel like this was also like a you know like a Pity pick as well like I'm not saying it's bad but it's not like that that was the only person that didn't submit a space yes they got through by default or something I don't know what's going on there um oh wow these look great like beautifully painted yeah really nicely done big skull's fun too it's a bit he- man player just a big Cy plastic skull I love it very much there for it graveyard's nice like that very pretty oh this is very similar to one from last year isn't it I love that backdrop are they oh it's a vampire Army still I think they've used a chaos Monster Mount that is is it's not Mo what's his name drer no is that the archon model I don't think so I don't think it's got three heads no or is there did they do like a like a manta core or something mustard maybe it's a kit bash of a I think that's just demon Prince head swap right bellor it looks like a bit oh he doesn't have the chains it looks a bit like Bello's wings but oh does this guy normally blind that's a good look on him no normally that has the top half of a person oh yeah it's a vampire Centaur I forgot it looks way cooler like that yeah I think it's way nicer like I saw loads of people convert that to be there's something in the Lords of the Rings Miniatures game some bat monster mhm and loads of people use their as the base and just put like just a b head on it and it just works really really well nice he's got Sig Val he works as a vampire pretty well doesn't [Music] he uh Lumin teas with this big hat oh but again they've got you've got a color scheme that kind of Blends into the base so it's kind of hard to pick out the details it's nicely done though yeah it's still beautifully painted m M oh that's nice look they got resin water a nice job there uh the best of the rest yeah all this other [ __ ] that no one cares about I feel like there's got to be a better title it's just like it's the you know the rest of the bollocks I guess here's some [ __ ] that's not Space Marines if you really have to see it uh what have they got those on the Space Marine uh Bad Boys in be houses Beyond and his buddies oh that's really nicely done where's all the dancing animals yeah where's the little like Dalmatian serving bread and the little beehives he has looks good though yeah it's cool very pretty oh look got a little dinner table set up n n uh a classic genan Steeler cult patriarch love that have they converted up all their cultists they look different they look like old they look like really old ones really old it's got retro Gene Steeler cult with that vampire converted up as a Magus which looks great amazing oh look there's a big [ __ ] with a thing on his back love it and I don't know what the deal with the nail ball is it's very sort of Hellraiser SL like um aartis yeah thing from a b what's the other one I'm thinking Event Horizon it's got those kind of Vibes the engine in that yeah this is a fun this is like yeah it looks like a space HW Grim dark space Haw Battle Man Without Walls though guns are way [ __ ] better than this as you have to like one two three four five six I OverWatch every single time very true that's why there's a lot more Jean steers yeah uh looking looking great yeah that's really nicely done I like that a lot I've always loved that model yeah it's really cool oh [ __ ] like all the space got weird spooky heads that is the uh decapitated head from the old zombie sprew very good I like that mongus with the shrine on the back it's really good yeah I want like a big a big boy yeah very cool uh what's going on here some kind of like under a cathedal oh it's like the like Workshop fix up the tanks God this must be a big board though because that thing at the back is like this big oo and Spartan's like not much smaller than that this is huge it's very nice a lot of Tanks yeah just bunch of boys wateran oh he put lamps in too nice nice uh we got a blood ball what's going on here a dragon poking his head hey guys what's going on okay there's just a random load of blood balls are they on the same team well you've got this treeman there's rotters there's halflings the halflings and the Treeman are on the same team oh is it uh it's not like a dungeon ball uh but which dungeon ball team has tree men rotters a troll that looks like a maybe it's two teams it's halflings and treeman fighting rotters and trolls oh okay maybe that makes sense yeah cu the law of life has Dre men halflings and a Wood Elf right yeah dragon's not invited we got some olifants about to get shot by a million arrows oh oh guys you didn't know what's coming for you there Poor Boys oh age 12 holy moly wow that's way better than I would have done at age 12 yeah jeez and oh look at that it's like a more time Two Minutes to Midnight oh it's like a is that the war cry or underworlds or whatever it's called yeah the dog Squad yeah oh I like the the shadow hands oh there that's a cool look actually the non- metallic metal the the sign oh man I like that that's really moody most D oh underneath that's scaff man and a look at that they're having a party a he Stone [Music] o that's fun although I think run into the common trap I think a lot of people walk into where real things look fake if you don't paint them it looks it the mixed media looks really M like it's really St kind of contrast like if you get stones or sticks you kind of have to paint them to blend in with the other fake stuff so they look like they're from the same world yeah like if honestly if you painted them Brown and dry brushed them up a bit that would have made this look a 100 times better yeah yeah I kind of agree not I mean already the rest of it looks great like I shouldn't complain I just think that little touch just would have gone a long way I can but still very good wait a second do they have are those old BS the woods yeah little pigies in the woods okay love it uh wow that looks amazing oh wow it's one of is it called a trip tick right where you open up at the hinges and have like three pictures is that it I think that's what it's called oh look the old C Warriors is like part of the frame first miniature I ever painted was one of these that was one of my first too handsome boy uh yeah looks cool I like it it's literally looks like it's come out of like a third edition um like Army book or something doesn't it that's great oh yeah I like kind of just seeing like there's like ogre clubs mhm uh just like dotted around just like the little horse heads just there's a hill Goblin head like really old Skelly horses yeah it's awesome some highelf Shields dotted in there yeah that's a fun that's a fun mix yeah I like that that's a fun idea really nice display piece what is this squigs and goblins they're coolroom Squig land I like how colorful they are yeah that's cool got that dry ice smoke wow very nice uh whoa this is busy holy moly it just keeps going like a g something I think it's dark mechanicus is it dark mechanicus God I thought like look you've got like ohy robot kind of fellows over here yeah it was just like down Robo men down there yeah you do that guy to me looked a bit like the kit claw model oh yeah but in turn God maybe you could just use that that miniature what is it for I think well they've given it bellor prize for ultimate ambition wow God it looks pretty rad sure is ambitious holy moly oh look there's a mechanicus thing at the top there there's definitely some scaven elements you got bells and warpstone and stuff too yeah think guess dark mechanicus and Clan Sky very similar Vibes they've got pretty similar similar things going on I want to see more about what this is it looks like a tide or a carpet of something with this big thing coming down it but it's so busy and so zoomed out that yeah yeah can't make out any of the detail more photos of it yeah amazing [Music] um pretty cool I like the little the little Valkyries in the little planes yeah they're fun some perspective you got the sniper boy up top sniping that's fun I like that pew pew ah it nice armies on Parade well done everyone what lovely toys uh what what is now oh pre-orders okay I think we looked at most of this last week didn't yeah I don't think there's any new toys get your cards get your dice you sure can all your books get all your stilts get your stilt men how many stilt men are you going to buy well I thought I might buy a box of 10 guys with rifles and then make my own still get plasy cards I just put them or just a little bit higher up just get some brass rod and some little Springs yeah basically basically the same uh CU they look they've tried to Jazz up the the cards oo so I'm a bit like reluctant to buy the cards cuz I feel like they I just bought cards they go obsolete very quickly and also I tell you what like it to go through all the Marine cards that I would ever use and update them to be in line with the new Marine codex to write on them I think that take me 10 minutes there's so few changes wow it's like a Special Rule here or there but other than that they are like 99% the same I don't know if it's the same for mechanicus and necrons I imagine so I feel like they're probably going to be keeping most stuff close-ish cuz they wouldn't have had time since the additions launched to have changed like the codexes would have been sent to the printers before the the game came out they wouldn't have had time to adjust yeah yeah like make uh make tweaks because probably out tasted already yeah probably uh cards are legit for kilting though it's a lot easier to play with cards you need them for like your missions and stuff okay sure uh this big boy uh yeah we've seen all of that all these all of that skip what else we got oh I hate this box set format you want the book for your army [ __ ] you if you don't buy buy this box you got to wait a couple of months yeah always kind of kind of sucks yeah I hate that business model I think that's the point where I'm like if you can just pirate a PDF of it go for it uh if you weren't able to get this or you're not willing to pay scalper prices um but some people are allowed to play with their armies you're not allowed to play with your army [ __ ] download it yeah it's real scummy is real dirty um got jump pack boys feel like we've seen a lot of jump pack boys recently invis boys are these is there a price for these yet I'm really interested to see I wonder uh 30 o jerk they already sold out oh they oh good question well they're not even on pre-order yet right for pre-order this weekend so regular army of the Dead in boring old gray plastic very much for clear ones like [Music] um if you go to a third party website they usually get the um get the prices uh a little bit early uh oh oh because it's delayed in the US you're not going to give us a price oh okay [ __ ] sake sad 45 could would they go 45 surely you just well I might have to wait till next week that's annoying cuz the stores can pre-order them now and that's how like the price gets yeah yeah like that'll just like come out yeah uh sometimes these guys have like the pre-orders on the page really curious if they're going to use this as an excuse uh no not out yet the jump pack guys who are on the same page but not well it's just talking about them it's not called CU they do a little article where they're like here's all of this week's pre-orders prices broken down for you need to go to like the tabletop section uh what's that uh more tabletop or just Warhammer 40,000 oh they're GW exclusive that's where the prices aren't listed oh okay right so yeah no one else is getting them stores can't order them yet all right I'll have to wait till next week to find out about that uh oh GW selling red grass some reason kind of fun yeah I when you can get lots of different colored grass from a million different places yeah a thousand people have already got that um sure [Music] uh there's new Del I think you mean it's a new medic man for your Gene seal a cult gang he sure is um God I wish there was a medic character in J Ste cult no the bioasis oh that guy got feels good you're right he'd be perfect for that just have this guy as your bopes oh yeah this you can buy from forgeworld and these two models together 244 ooh think more or less uh I normally always get a little bit low on Forge World so 28 oh cuz you could use that guy as the um kiler morph I guess if you had to get him too yeah just stick an extra arm on there blammo or the sabur could be like that's a bomb bomb Oh something like that would workep uh yeah they look cool you know really nice delac always good and they just some random delac stuff sure sure why not uh I guess they're not we can't check the prices yet they're not out yet uh old world more rules preview I just wasn't sure if you'd read this I haven't read it I have so last time we found out about this new mechanic where you get pushed back or whatever okay sure so if you if you pass your leadership check properly you now give ground which basically means you back up like two inches okay and the enemy can choose to let you back up or follow up um so it's the same as old but the lines shift a little bit mhm if you pass your leadership check but not the modified version so you know if you leadership eight and you make your eight but you had a minus two on it uh then you fall back in good order which means you move back you fall back further um but then they still can just recharge you basically right okay and if you fail it properly it's just like failing before you go 2d6 and they can chase you down so it's a minor change but I think it will change how the battlefield feels yeah I like I like that idea a lot I think that's kind of cool yeah it's interesting I mean you definitely need movement trays if units are going to be shifting back and forth all the time but if you're playing Warhammer old world without movement trees you're a a savage or you're playing like ogres yeah that's true so yeah it's a nice little change I don't know how much of a big impact it will have I'll have to wait and see looks like most of these are all still the same uh fear is now a bit different um so now if you want to charge an enemy that causes fear and you fail your leadership check you don't charge but that's only if they outnumber you oh okay if you they don't outnumber you you can just charge them oh they're not that spooky wow so suddenly being a scary troll is nowhere near as good as being 20 skeletons unless trolls count as more models now maybe oh maybe that was the case guess we have toy on that and if you're in combat and you fail you get minus one to hit which is a lot easier than you used to like half your weapon skill or something I you had to like compare them on the chart yeah what was it you counted as weapon skill one or count your opponent skill six like there was something like that it was fiddly so this just minus one to hit it means it's always going to be a good thing cuz sometimes Undead was so low weapon skill anyway that them failing their leadership actually make any difference there stuff where you're like no I just don't give a [Laughter] [ __ ] okay rad um I surprised to see the Shag off suddenly toughness five cuz they've massively expanded the toughness chart now I thought oh thought moners were going to get tougher because they've like stretched oh yeah you know suddenly eights and nines uh within the realm of possibility but they've kept it the same which is surprising but look at all these special rules Tom 1 2 3 4 five 6 7 8 nine 10 special rules well but isn't it like so armor Bane that just basically means an extra minus two onto his safe modifier but do you not have have that save modifier they haven't explained and so now actually that is just just minus two two off the armor maybe what was it was like strength four five six while it should have been three that's just scary skin mhm who knows what that is Source weapon magic weapons immun to psychology large Target stomp they at the end big monsters got stomped they all got it didn't they in eighth edition Terra yeah he's got like a couple of extras is a bunch of special rules but then I guess it's a special boy if all your troops had that many rules I'd be worried I it's like yeah he's like a oneoff big big fellow battle lost so there we go so the game is looking very similar but with some interest most of the changes look interesting I think this might work we shall see um Boop you can get yourself a little tiny tank nice you you go into G gdubs and a coin oh man I saw the spru for for these when I was getting my book someone had the box with all the toys in it's if you uh if you're getting into imperialis uh I hope you like gluing uh which I do like gluing to be honest but I think I was gluing a million models oh clicked on the wrong thing I like gluing to a point yeah I have limits I do enjoy a good build but uh where are the predators those ones looked pretty spooky sell them separately no I guess they only come in the Box oh that's rough you want more Predators buy more 120 quid box sets do these have all the spru on uh mans there we go that's three Predators that's a lot of bits isn't that a lot of bits I was really surprised by like how many bits you needed to put a tank cuz look on the side of the tank it has two exhausts on each side there they are those are the oh God sticking those on at least you don't have to glue the tracks on I guess yeah that's true um but like look at this little hatches you got all the little sponsy bits the little back of the turret o that's a few too many it's that's a few too many bits a lot of [ __ ] bits do you remember like in Epic armagedon where you'd have tank turret maybe sponson yeah yeah I like one just the Rhinos were just it's a it's a rhino it's a one piece Rhino why would you ever not why would you need more than one piece to do a rhino I guess like you get more they've got bigger so they're putting some more detail in that's true they are very detailed they look they're very crisp and detailed I can't AR with that just like wow that's a lot of pits feels a little over engineered what is this bit is that like a m p mounted multi melter yeah cost four points you can stick that on your rhinos if you like actually sounds pretty good if you could do that in 40K you can in um horse heresy you can stick combie weapons Havoc launchers heavy bols 40K or multi melters that's a different game that's like that's like saying oh you can in more time different game system uh say scale of battle right how many multi do you get do you get enough for everything or is it only like one per box you get two is there a third one there's got to be a third one whoever finds it first wins there are five rhinos so oh oh okay right well I guess not then if there's only three I can't see another [Music] one no there are five dozer blades yeah you can uh I think there's a hun look there's hun killer missiles that's that's a real extra level of detail isn't it glueing on Epic scale hun to killer missiles gross wow okay tiny tiny uh what black Templars can put multi on rhinos no they get them on all of their primaris vehicles so like impulses repulsors and just just pulses okay you just get a free multi melter wow no one else does that's cool that's great three multim melters yeah when is that going to be bad and the Gladiators as well get it all the new prar tanks get them not stinky old firstborn yuck I don't want to waste my multi molters on them those losers they're all going to Legends soon enough oh that's true very why bother doing anything with those guys yeah um anyway that one's doneo boop boop rumors these again look like more ghoul guys don't they yeah maybe Beast man's it's weird to be getting more ghoulish looking things we have had the last couple of weeks maybe there's just another wave of them coming out next year maybe like war cry or something God they could there just oh God yeah could be easily be a war cry couldn't it just almost any any faction could have that hanging out somewhere definitely looks straight out of mud World mhm o cheerleaders the rettes cool very cool I always liked all the like extra bits that you could get for your BL having a little coach and a ref and all that kind of stuff uh really fun cool and uh orc cheerleaders wow they're big wow oh I like that they just look real Rowdy uh a they do have titties so orc women reconfirmed back in Canon interesting what does it mean okay not titties Spore sense oh wow they're doing loads of different ones you got chaos ones too they're cool they're not mwy enough no but they're fun I like the little spiky spiky circles be nice if they had like a tentacle or something yeah yeah here all there still pretty fun though okay quite restrained with the I was expecting the worst from the dark elf ones oh yeah God dark elf could have [Laughter] gone way Wilder but no very reserved very very good a a huffling in a gobbo god they seem like the worst races to have as refs I think that's what makes it good they're just going to get killed immediately what are this guy's proportions like he has basically no belly at all and the world's biggest hand yeah is that just taking at a weird angle or is that how the model sculpted it's very weird oh Johnny big hands he looks like he's made out of PlayDoh as well yeah it's like really w that's a uh I'm sad there's no Gobo Gobo cheerleaders yeah where the Gobo at like do you remember the old Gobo cheile just which is literally just a goblin and a dress with pigtails uh Goblin cheerleader perfect like these guys are Ace just super just super classic very cool very pretty oh that takes me back I think there two of them what a good Gobo just with a different oh there's the orc one yeah so good just really cool oh look at them go love them uh okay wow Min with claws wow they know what people want that is the first mutation You Give A Min that R double might blow on claws pretty rad that's what you want although there's no like hinge don't cramp claws normally have like a gap for the pincers to pince chaos works in mysterious ways they're fused open maybe it's more like a like a tin open the all right sure maybe maybe they look more like they're made out of rock than anything else yeah that's it cool a bit of blood ball what's this just the flesh eers have rules rules don't know enough bage of Sigma to even understand them uh and there's a tank uh uh salt Marines have been painted oh that looks oh yeah I like the um uh the white Sky helmet that's pretty cool there's a power ax in there sure I mean these are all really nicely painted okay just the different flavors of bouncy boys oh the Raven guard like with the slightly grayer actually look a lot cooler we do yeah I like that like that a lot it's way more more interesting than just black and white M they literally done one for everyone oh that's a nice thing like taking the helmet off wow like that that's just really well done conversion that's probably quite hard to like pull off and actually look look good uh okay Ultra Mariners the Dark Angels wow I would have thought those were just instantly maybe you don't even have it at this stage it was like oh yeah it's just like death death company guys right yeah they do have death company Vibes uh they done one for literally everyone hang on Dark Angels get two got the best oh Bloods get two as well oh fair enough more Checker boards hooray oh dirty dirty fists always look cool pretty rare I find I know I was about to say thousand suns don't really work without trim but then I realized actually they're blood angels so doesn't matter doesn't matter oh hands and Stripes oh man very cool God there's so many jeez just get everyone everyone involved everyone's having a go very nice they really are pushing these I've really hoping everyone buys a thousand sets of them yeah they're not cheap though they're like 30 quid for no 40 quid for 10 mhm maybe 42 can't remember o it's a lot though but you know that's still half the price of the proris ones that's true um and they're not bouncing off of little um like uh little piles of rocks I can see actually probably a lot of 40K players picking these guys up just using them instead yeah I think that kind of works it's 45 quid for 20 Mark 3s really that can't be true I don't believe you oh you mean without jump packs oh yeah so they almost twice as much as Guys Without jump packs yeah but these guys can jump they can jump twice as high as a guy without a jump pack so should be more expensive ych that's pricey uh that's it and I think that's basically it we're all up to dat there a ton of actual actual things oh the black Library Readers Choice do you know who won that oh a is it a book I haven't read lord of the night Ro of the de I've I've read that that's a I thought that was a really good War I didn't even know they still printed it CU it's like 30 years old oh is that it are these the nominations oh no 29% of the vote rides of the Dead wow yeah feel like uh recommend that one in the past and this is Ben's favorite book have I read that one 37% of the vote in the Warhammer 40,000 category I have read that but again 20 years ago I read it um it was all right it was basically what if a one night Lord was stuck in the underhive and thought he was Batman okay you can see why I guess everyone loves that I bet everyone loved [Laughter] that have they not written anything better in the last 20 years no Ben it's 800,000 Horus heresy books oh it was specifically voting on classic books to return okay right okay that makes sense okay cool okay why not I thought um what's it called the nagash first book was better than all of those personally not probably not better than that surprised he didn't make it in t Niche tunish uh do you want see what's outside the box yeah let's have a look oh it's a nightbringer it is a nightbringer with two different heads he has three different heads he uh like actually on the um I feel like they showed the worst two oh uh I like all the different like back you know different capes you can give him and heads and arms you want that or do you want him to have a load of [ __ ] yeah all the arms uh extra arms uh but there's another cooler head I thought is this that one looks a bit towish if you stick the big headdress on oh yeah especially with the mask uh this one looks a bit the teeth what does that remind me of like Attack on Titan kind of thing uh cool number of options though yeah I tried to um uh cuz I didn't even realize it' be on sale uh had seen um people talking about this online and they were doing a Black Friday thing which was like 25% off or something oh yeah I was like oh I'm just going to buy a bunch of artel stuff because there's a load of models they do for different projects and because you got to order it from the states oh [ __ ] should let me know I would have grabbed something as well uh but when I tried to do it they were like uh ple pay payment not accept please contact our provider or something was like I feel like you've got a problem on your website right now guys um oh that sucks and so Didn't Do It um otherwise I would have picked this guy up because there's a few oh few things I wanted well let me know if you do it again because there's a couple of bits I want yeah be i' be down with that but yeah I thought it was a really nice nicey yeah he's great way cooler than the 30-year-old nightbringer that still around now I think I still like that guy but I don't really want to play just a horrible fine cast oh yeah uh fine cast dude some new malao Christmas malao uh yeah a father Christmas he looks real spooky why don't you show us the Miniatures uh we got some some tail wow Jack tow [ __ ] ripped jeez sure why not couple of big big muscle towels wow nice uh this is pretty cool big monster with a throne yeah it's a fun like chaos warlord okay sure oh man two facing Riddler Jim har and um I kind of love that they are fun I like his dumb pose cuz that's the sort of thing he was doing throughout that film yeah I'm into it uh that actually pretty pretty cool that is fun apparently they did not get on at all I can fully believe that um so um I I saw a bit of an interview with Jim KY like remembering his time filming and he was like yeah sometimes there's an actor you really admire and they hate your guts oh so like Jim Carrey went up to him when they were like uh I think they were at a restaurant or something while they were filming and he walked over and said hey and like uh Tommy Lee Jones was just like staring [ __ ] daggers at him he's like what's up you know let's let's talk this out he was like I cannot sanction your buffoonery love that what a lie holy [ __ ] uh yeah Tommy Le Jones seems like a a sirly guy yeah who is not in the mood for whatever the [ __ ] 90s Jim Carrey is up to yeah him just goofing around oh Paul boy oh what does it take to get sanctioned by Tommy Lee Jones I feel like if you start out by wearing like a cowboy hat that sets you in the right direction right I feel like that kind of works not enough spitting in spatoon uh then you got the uh the Royal Flush Gang okay look kind of wild look This Guy's surfing on a card with a flame sword she's shooting a million card things you got Shields who are they like who's their boss is that the Riddlers there must be a card themed Batman boss right let's look them up their own Wikipedia page okay uh oh they yeah it's just ace king queen Jack 10 wild card and Joker so I guess you know Ace is the leader of the gang okay um just being like hey guys I'm 10 and they're just like all right our friend can join we don't have a great idea you can be wild card you know wild card's got to be the crazy one right you don't know what he's going to do yeah and is this Joker the same joker as the other Batman Joker oh hope not CU they've already got that IP down pretty hard to reinvent yourself as like hey guys it's me the Joker everyone's like oh we love you you're you're great he like no I'm I'm the one with the you know the card card guys the one you purposefully take out of the deck most of the time you play yeah the one you get rid of that one and they're like oh oh we thought you were the like how did I get my scars guy [ __ ] I feel like if you if you've invented levitating surfboard card technology there's more you can do with it than this I feel like you uh yeah what is your right you've got to make a gang you have levitating card uh surf boards right what are you what what is your themee you also have Giga Cod pieces is that part of my technology mhm uh what do I do with that what is your bit of tech that you I shape them like uh pizzas pizza slices right so we come in in one giant circle like a like a UFO and then the moment we come under Fire we like into pizza slices and zip around and everyone's like a different pizza topping okay I'm I'm already on Bo pepperoni Pete Nice Nice okay love that um mozerella mik y smoked ham he's there and everyone's least favorite guy pineapple Peach okay right there's yeah the pineapple one sure no I think these kind of work we can there's something there we can work we can Workshop it like if you had have you know uh your man or law maned me uh and said right there are two gangs one of them they are all themed around playing cards these are their names the other one they around pizza slices mhm which one is Cle definitely made up yeah I don't think it'd be an easy an easy pull cuz I'd be like playing card seems too [ __ ] basic yeah uh so I think you would have made that up to play it safer right so the pizza gang definitely is real [ __ ] maybe we should do that like a LW hammer or your hammer for uh Co like obscure comic book villains oh my God but like because of with all the multiverses all the things like I think it'd be impossible possible to ever know and I Reon we'd really run a foul of the thing that you make up someone's going to be there like actually in Batman Universe 749 that dumb thing you thought you'd made up does exist it's actually very close to this you clearly have stolen that it's not made up like okay okay uh well wow well there you go they're a thing the Royal Flush Gang they also have some like just Spear and shield goons so here too uh warlord games Peninsula War for black powder nice you can do sharp battles the French can have a little poodle hoor they've coton onto gw's crabs technique and put a little dog in everyone is happier but it's not just for the French because the British could also have a little dog too oh very cool he's riding a donkey that's even [ __ ] better I love that who's this guy you know about napoleonics I've got no idea who's donkey man with terrier is that meant to be uh not like I was going to say like William of Orange or something but no he's not there but it's cuz he's got an umbrella and all a donkey that's exactly who I want to be my general that guy's [ __ ] amazing I thought he must be a guy oh the bad guy in Shop Hell uh it doesn't narrow it down there's like 50 bad guys in shop no Pete posel S character oh [ __ ] uh but he's only a sergeant right overal hiwell he kills shar's wife spoiler whoa I thought we'd be able to find him just by typing uh yeah this is him this guy over hawell he's the crazy guy who talks to his hat right he's got he's got a picture of his mom in his hat and he talks to his mom right uh he's a real piece of [ __ ] yeah he's a absolute scumbag he rides a donkey yeah wow I missed that one looks ridiculous isn't he great oh my God I kind of want that model oh man oh is a set literally just called over the hills and far away nice oh maybe we should do another game SN video with Dog Wars Dog Wars cuz I've got like a pretty big 28 mil oh you do don't you Army that I painted and just never ever did anything with cuz no one else was as Psychopathic to paint a 28 mil Napoleonic Army oh man so what I'd have to do an equivalent amount of French to face off against them yeah oh look they're all real scruffy I really like that it's a great look um like way less kind of uniform and regular he's covered in patches that guy that's fun [Music] we got tit combat oh we didn't make our predictions for the thing but but it is going to be pipe for tank yeah and I'm sticking with what I said before too MH repeat we we'll keep repeating until it actually happens yeah whatever we said last week there hasn't been one for like three weeks they might have finished no that's my prediction Vietnam's over what they finished it what cuz it hasn't been one for like three weeks oh my God maybe it's over [ __ ] um this is an amazing deal by the way I looked it up um wait halfling tanks halfling copters but are they all tiny tanks I don't think so these are for halflings uh what would they be uh got that link just doesn't take me to them which is [ __ ] annoying Max Max Mini um oh first of all check this out Tom that guy looks amazing like if you ever wanted to like finish off your Giants arm that guy's really [ __ ] cool isn't he [ __ ] awesome for like battering down your gate and look how big he is oh my God like CU they did the uh what's his name BR brag the the king the big giant who wasn't any bigger than anyone else no he's the same height as everyone but he's meant to use like a giant pillar as a weapon maybe they were doing a bit of that idea uh pretty [ __ ] rare considering it's like a oneoff resin model that's [ __ ] enormous £0 is not an outrageous price tag isn't the GW one that's it uh yeah wow 22 cm pretty big yeah he'd be enormous love it yeah I thought wow kind of kind of hopeful we've got this one too just big lady eating some octopus eating octopus covered in bits kind of fun also [ __ ] big Wow real big where your tanks where's them tanks they're in here somewhere this website is um wild oh there you go there we go so it's £40 and you get seven Leman Russ equivalents M six Sentinel equivalents a chimera and some tech priests wow for the same price as like two lumon russes in a sentinel it's pretty good it's pretty good deal they look nice yeah actually Tech priest like a halfling with Dr Octopus what a goofy boy and then here's some cators just real real little but I think those are 25 mil bases right sure so they look kind of the right kind of scale so they look maybe 10% smaller than a gw1 but not like significantly yeah thought that's a real good alternative if you like that style um and they do a um an infantry Army too you just get like a million halflings of and heavy weapons and then those aand are cool wow I like the wizard Squad as well yeah that kind of rad uh yeah I guess like you know for less than 300 quid you can get yourself a gigantic [ __ ] guard Army yeah because everything you'd need for like a 3,000 point game which is pretty good pretty good deal exactly Alo did you get the train in those boxes as well I don't think so it's not listed on um there I can't imagine the train costs much more seems like a good deal yeah w w wellow [Music] um what are we uh where were we outside the box so yeah TT combat's got like a lot of a lot of cool looking terrain actually like um look at this for epic like um the new epic terrain is real expensive um I can't remember I think it's like £100 for like four buildings or something uh where is it I don't know here it is this one wow so you probably don't want these like those buildings are like 20 Ms across yeah they're super tiny so you probably want to merge them together to make to make a bigger thing four or five buildings basically yeah cuz didn't you get like you didn't get these spires no but you got a set of this stuff in the titanicus box and I think it was like when cuz another friend of ours got some we both got some I think it was like when all three sets were combined even that wasn't enough to actually have a boards worth it didn't go very far at all especially if you wanted it to be big enough to obscure a Titan yeah cuz that had to be like four stories tall to even like remotely cover them holy [ __ ] 100 quid 100 quid which is so much I mean it's sold out already but it's a lot of money for what you get the the sprws are nice don't get me wrong it's a really great modular building system you can make some cool stuff with it yeah but it's [ __ ] expensive especially when you can um you can buy this for 45 these buildings I feel like you actually get more coverage yeah for half the price oh my God yeah like seems way way better plus you get all the little ruin bits as well which is nice so either you double up and you have ruins and buildings or you can use these ruins to if the building gets destroyed just pop the holy [ __ ] ruins in their place um wow so yeah thought this was like a good alternative and look you can even buy the um the road boards as well for less if you wanted to go the whole hog cuz the roads are how much are the roads I can't remember now 7070 but it's not enough for a board you have to buy two or three of them to fill a board I believe uh what does it say how many you get Madness the fact that isn't even a whole board it's yeah it's 3x two I think these are a foot square right okay so you need you need two packs to make a 4 by three which still isn't enough do you need four packs of those to get a well the bo it's a they it's 5x4 is the suggested playing area oh okay so you would need four four time 5 isn't it which is 20 you'd need 20 of these things and I'm course packs of six [ __ ] my life so yeah I guess you do need to buy four and have some left over if you want to have the full board holy [ __ ] 280 just so uh you know or you you could buy it in Wood 150 you're still a lot but nearly half the price oh and you get the buildings as well oh okay it's half the price plus you get all those buildings which were £45 so really it's costing you 100 for the for the roads so it's a third of the price oh and you get no holy [ __ ] you get three of these you get three packs of this no says three Leviathan districts oh no that's imperator District sorry where's the Leviathan District so can I scroll through this oh look okay so this is two packs get two districts okay ruins and admin right so you get like a pack and a half of the terrain yeah pack and a half of this and the roads jeez for less than half of just the roads from GW um so there you go that's insane well you know we buy M yeah I mean again These are nice they're detailed they're like modular but it's it's a crazy amount of money isn't it for what it is like there's so many Alternatives that are better and cheaper that is shocking see I just wanted to let people know these are cool Alternatives yeah um are decent holy molies okay what else is outside the box uh terrain we've got like that uh whatever that thing's called the the not dreadn Space Marines have that's a nice little alternative that looks a bit cooler um and then like aor it's cool alternative who's quite nice I like him too very very handsome uh and some are these guys meca dinos they look like they're out of like horion Horizon zero Dawn they're strict from horion uh yeah okay the Machin no they literally are oh okay cool expansion for that that board game sure clamber Jaws watch out for them that's it no Vietnam this week wait till next time feels bad do some Kickstarter roulette yeah we might have to go on a quick break first um but then we can Kickstarter to that roulette uh and we'll read out your very generous um Donato uh but yeah we'll be back in five minutes or so uh so stay tuned for some more just chat nonsense and hanging out goodbye see you in five say it say hand off the M the hood it's got long [Music] welcome welcome back welcome back everybody we're here we did it we are here and we did do it hooray oh there's one for you cat folk Priestess no thank you pinup monsters [Music] okay uh oh adorable lands adorable Adventures probably not going to be too horny oh there's one for you Tom hot demons and succubi nice moaning from the underworld I don't enough I want that one Ben oh okay surprised uh what I normally see when I walk past your office well here moaning from the underworld oh I'm going to do old school Mini choice no no you got there first I was reading it when you clicked on it um oh but wraith Warlords of wano yeah I want that okay that's a Ben one do you want Santa's cute girls the winter maidens I just feel like it's going to be horny oh big baddies is actually pretty half C man there's some really legit stuff Imperial Crusade Recon Squad might be fun too oh just let's just do them all okay I want big baddies I cannot lie what is cat doing uh cat doing I just want those uh what's Tales From towbridge call or the Maya Walker toads oh they all sound good mechanical Factory creatures of cosmic dark that sounds great I missed that completely where's that oh well CH can have a couple as well first one of the um first one in the second row okay chat you get three I think both Ben and I have got kind of three years uh also went a bit crazy this week what would be Western Rush also we have to remember half of them are probably not out yet that's true yeah you got to got to shotgun it uh satanic Panic oh chat not agreed yet oh they have gone pinup I see two for pinup up in a row oh Chad Chad please why you like this not the but I want we told you not to horny satanic Panic Miniatures and you wanted Pinups you've gone a few weeks without being horny chat oh do they want dark charm pinup The Necromancer or Jackie oanon pinup oh wow your sport for Choice which one was it the first one that answers gets it both well I did say the first one that answers we will have bought pretty quickly uh Adora Bland oh the gb's okay GB adventurers like the chibi artwork's always really cute but then the minis are kind of terrifying uncanny it's because chibi requires like real flat smooth textures yeah like like there's like an art style to it yeah and that does not translate to a 3D medium very well yeah and it kind of looks like they've got leeches in their hair like blood Lees you said it like that uh he's a Gruff boy oh he's actually CU he's got the face furrows so doll face right bit more detail going on lizard wow oh he's way creepier he's pretty evil looking oh my God is he a lizard or a snake I think he's more snaky he's got hands yeah but like a snake man has hands okay so well I think it could be either what's his name he doesn't have a name okay it's fine oh Skelly man oh oh way less Chill real creepy he's pretty cool as well yeah when the artwork after admit oh what happened to your face got a bit deer he's got the exact same weapon as the snake man okay nice very cute old school groins oh I love these guys uh they look amazing they very cool like this kind of quite passive face it's real chill Shield isn't it you kind of want that that level of energy a look how into it they are I think it helps that're really nicely painted as well very well painted I like the one with the voodoo doll yeah he's cool mushroom stick looks scared yeah cuz he he's been waggling just waggling all over the place he's got nips oh HS have nips confirmed uh wow I know who I'm betting on him that was a jewel fist rock paper scissors giant mouth yeah Abraham Lincoln the Abraham Lincoln Goblin wizard crossover not what I was expecting I was going to get but I'm here for it uh wraith samurai oh okay oh they're not actual wraiths they're sensible Samurai look at his [ __ ] legs that dude did not Skip Leg Day holy [ __ ] my God whoa absolutely stacked oh my God these guys are missing a trick if I had legs like that I would never cover them up ever what the heck yeah these are all right the trouble is though there's already up like three or four different very good plastic Samurai boxes that are real cheap yeah I guess they're like a popular is thing these are like beautiful they are very good beautiful SCS they got tough competition maybe you could do these for like your unit leaders and characters or something or I guess if you've got a printer you can just print them all out the B unit oh man they know they're appealing to they got all their big bnk sticks this the Bonkers this literally feels like they got me to write up their page for them they know you like legs Tom just legs and bunk sticks amazing uh okay four units sure very nice in Squad uh oh he got a teddy bear mask it's very cool makes him a lot less spooky oh they look great they're really cool heads they're really good heads yeah very nice what's the mask with like the big nose I always really like that one I guess it's a certain kind of like demon look is that just the tangu tangu mask just like the red mask with a big nose often has a mustache uh you don't often see Samurai with shields that's quite rare I wonder if they actually is there a historical precedent for a shield yes I actually watched a thing on this uh it was on YouTube so God like everything else on this stream take the B oh God yeah this may or may not be true chances are half of it is but um uh no the shields were used yeah why do you never see them I guess they just weren't in the artwork it was mainly plebs but they would do things like either they wield out big shields oh yeah I've seen a lot of those like man mant mantlets um or you had like plebs with like a big back shield and they' run out and then just turn around oh okay for like helping to block but never like a melee Shield it wasn't as like uh super popular cuz it was not honorable oh really uh why block when you can attack wow attack cool armor off lame um well and Parry cool is it Parry cool that allowed you're allowed a razor thin Shield mhm so known as sword yes that your sword is your Shield right uh well pretty cool minis oh at them yeah like a demon in my samurai way more into that oh she got long arms she does have long arms all the better to hug you with no don't let her hug you Tom uh ooh do you like old Space Marines oh wow yeah they've got massive like um classic Scout Vibes they the Mohawks and the frilly arms quilted trousers [ __ ] these guys are [ __ ] awesome actually they're really good I would absolutely use these instead of the new Scout models these actually look amazing yeah they've captured the old style but with like the modern like sculpting techque really nice sculpting technique and great proportions yeah these are actually these are amazing I actually really want a squad of these to go in my I like the sergeant looks awesome it's got a robo leg does have a robo leg say classic heavy Bolter wow I feel like these are one oh I love them yeah how much is it uh oh but here oh they're not stls 36 for five oh so they're the same price as gws which is yeah you know means very expansive [ __ ] I was hoping they were selling stls [ __ ] they made 20K already coule days to go really good holy [ __ ] really oh if they were half that price would would have bought two of them yeah yeah like it's just that sort of price point it's just that bit too much cuz I don't need them for my Army it would just be like a nice thing to have yeah just to paint up uh just have 10 that maybe you drop into a game yeah but but I'm not spending like plus postage oh who sculpted them stevenh may oh yes what have they done I recognize that name he's novelist a Play Type in Games Workshop uh just have huh I guess they don't do a lot of crediting gdubs do they yeah oh it's a shame they've like priced it out of my yeah your fun your fun purchase yeah cuz you know you've got to fact factor with the postage as well on top of that yeah yeah yeah yeah like a really great really really cool but yeah if they just that fraction cheaper I bet they'd sell way more CU Al like how many points is five Scouts oh yeah like 60 points or something like 50 points when it's like two points per pound pricey uh okay halfen cultist do you want halfling cultist in your life boom it's Jammy cake slice oh no short just the bakery cult yeah they're halflings of course Audrey hotb Jack USA I love it ah is ey jaza it's great Caesar oh my God off for candles fur candles fur candles holding a fork CLE nice die sector amazing okay I was reading that as like d dector what is that roll muot roll mupp aot y okay okay oh no headman's perfect very good fcking so good jaanese are done forall EAS are done forall oh my God what a what a crew uh Menthol cough drop kind of feels like they've ran out of ideas a little bit uh sweet G love them what a gang there you go if you need a new uh ambiguous cult for your D and D Adventures halfling C see great see how murder hobo your players are feeling when you unveil the halfling cult I'm I'm so in I love that uh big baddies oh there's a pyramid head there's a pyramid head there's also a hollow Knight oh yeah and a stap off man maybe and a Shrek oh what she cool why not oh that's Ganon oh okay sure I do enjoy the hollow night that's fun Pyramid Head jaf evil Genie B Nemesis Diablo Mighty Poo oh bad for a day I feel like these guys are skirting a [ __ ] lawsuit with yeah well luckily they have not been popular enough to attract any attention but actually just using all of the names using the names yeah uh but only some of of the names do you know what I mean like they haven't called him Hollow Knight they called him false Knight but I think that's one of the bosses game cuz it's actually like a big fat slug guy right uh they don't have legally distinct names yeah I think it's the fact that they even just referencing you know just Beholder from D and D Nemesis R3 Diablo Diablo 2 yeah that's going to get you in trouble uh but hey well they've hit that Target true doing great I think they probably will fly under the radar yeah I think it's probably probably chill do kind of like the St puff guy uh the M Walkers oh these guys look kind of cool just big ugly frogmen just their frog boys toad Frogman kind of cool and frog toad man ma and your giant toad cads brute they're cool I like okay Tales From towbridge cull Miniatures and law oo okay all have the Miniatures oh can you 3D print my law out for me mhm it's called a book right [Music] and what's that name uh uh G it's Craig Craig oh okay right you're right you're right how they spell it uh okay just a bunch of cool boys what are you up to you a potion seller maybe yeah these are all nice enough they don't really have much identity though do you know what I mean they look like any yeah like they're like cool in there uh their own way they're nicely done yeah they're like really nice sculpts the honey meat devote okay that's kind of Co okay that's fun yeah I really like them I think they're very nice very handsome boys and oh wow loads of great terrain and just loads of that PR looks amazing very cool oh it's the Tor Bridge that's part of the name right oh yeah of course oh I like the slums like buildings with the little um underpass yeah like the sany man the terrain is yeah that this is the best part of it this terrain's amazing I'm kind of more into the terrain yeah yeah it's really nice very cool okay creature of cosmic Darkness ooh this guy skull holder the skull holder do you think when he's like ripping a skull out you think it's like he's happier mhm to get more spine oh definitely is that like getting orange peel off in one girl that's exactly what I was about to say he's like he always disappointed in himself if he doesn't do it smoothly yeah he's like oh I did a great job on this side this one oh a little bit rough broke off halfway through nuts disappointing uh okay and then uh she's got a skull she's showing off look I got mine off in one piece look her little friend on the left this boy father father I'm hungry for skull what about this guy why was I bored like this oh they're little friends are the best part can we get close-ups of the Little Friends plus one to base attributes pretty good the Dream Weaver whoa you will dream of spines okay he's a snakehead he's like a good boy hang out with them having a good sit a this guy's cool okay they look pretty sensible he's going to drink your brain this guy's just uh doesn't want to exist The Best Day Ever o feels bad like a torso w a just a cute little monster is like fun little legs yeah I love him okay he's pretty good oh no that one's not so fun hang on that's a shape shifter of all the shapes you chose to shift into that yeah all right yeah you could be anything I CH this one just having a bit of a lazy day you know for sure some days you don't want to like you know do your makeup and hair and everything and you just want to slob out yeah yeah well you know I guess you know like aliens aliens observing Earth they might look at us two and be like of all the things you could have done or all the ways you could have dressed you choose to sit here like this I do this uh so yeah I feel like I got to fight I got to I got to protect him okay cuz you know glass glass out yeah no that's fair it's very fair uh the nightmare eater oh that's actually sounds pretty good yeah eat all my nightmares thank you very much that sounds great if you're the Dream Eater very bad uh I like this guy he does less crawling than the other one he looks like he's learned to walk now he stilled about the cursed Soul [Music] Weaver oh that one's a little yonic cavernous you might [Laughter] say uh I I like them oh robo man he here too Robo horse okay they were fun Western rush just a cool Old West Town Yeehaw howy Partners I like that it's kind of like just is molded mhm yeah it's a fun fun western town pretty nice very pretty good job the General Store drugs oh no oh my God you'll get shut down get out of here okay right now we're moving into the danger zone okay they satanic Panic bug Bears okay so now we're in like chats choices you picked these uh pretty cool little hairy boys little weird no man like that or just hanging out I'm just hanging out the little the little bolt [Laughter] thrower uh nice just kind of fun boys yeah and you ready for speedrun boom Oh chat we didn't even get past the first page before it had to be censored luckily they did it for us uh and well that's not little more tasteful but bit more I don't think we need to scroll I think it will rapidly get hornier as we go down it's fine okay right all right did it chat well done uh you made it horny shame on you get your gnomes uh everyone's got their horns on I kind of feel like these guys are they are the best I vote for the win cuz it's so nice to see a real retro style yeah modernize like the they've the fact they've captured it so perfectly they are beautiful scops I actually don't love the sergeant I I think that's my least favorite I kind of like the sergeant I'm into him I think I don't like his like sort of a little waste coat so much do you know what I mean no I'm I'm into it makes him a little stand out I think he's cool I like they've got the Mohawks they just they just nailed the look yeah just cool boy all the other guys are great what are the stretch guards cuz they did say they were going to do like shotguns and snipers and stuff oh I don't know shotguns and snipers oh you can have this guy as a sergeant instead eight pounds more like the back back Banners are always cool you definitely want a banner especially when you're doing [Laughter] reconnaissance really announce where you are oh [ __ ] you got to buy the heavy weapon guy separately too wow that's annoying um so they've unlocked guns shotguns snipers rocket launcher chain sword option chain blade oh okay so they've um oh they have just unlocked everything they've unlocked everything we don't have pictures of it yet just feel was a little cheaper yeah would be super down cuz Games Workshop prices are too high and I feel like anyone else who's just like going yes cost the same as Games Workshop he like it's a big ask okay uh pal well that concludes Kickstarter Rel unless there's any others that you're super hot to see but um no I'm just trying to read through this to um uh to see if I maybe have misunderstood maybe you get more of them doesn't look like you do Tom and Ben read something badly doesn't sound like us no doesn't sound like us at all never no we read everything exactly the way it was supposed to be read mhm uh okay I'm trying to make our reader work cuz I'd have to buy the heavy weapon guy and the sergeant as well so then suddenly it's 50 something quid plus Postage and that's so much for just a squad of [Music] boys they all very good have they done any others oh that's fun they did a rat skin Scout oh he looks [Music] Ace oh wow they're literally brand new I guess they must have just left game's Workshop oh I'll be doing like other stuff for a bit uh very good very nice how do I go back in time more I don't know how do I go back Ben something's gone horribly wrong with our donation reader we got to go back we got to go back let me have a look um I think we're going to have to start with the most recent ones and work our way back okay but if I click we it get rid of it where's like the other screen is other screen with the better is you can go to uh tip history's that it should be like a complete list of every donation okay great takes water load nice slow and steady wins the race I mean we can make it happen maybe alter four uh okay yeah we'll try that if nothing else Works uh no we're we got it we got it that's what I was after Ben save the day like he always does they always do just like he always does it's a little bit loud uh what Chaves don't you have uh uh let's try and see if we can get all my ches before wow that's probably bit bit too bold of a claim um so we've got those two so we got a choice we can either go for the final Chie in the snow which is get the 1250 um which is a big ask yeah so we like let's have a look I've got everything but the 12 1250 which is going to be hard that's going to be at least three or four mutators I don't know don't know how to do that one I wonder if like does any has anyone done it does anyone have a tip oh yeah have we got any any knowers in chat because maybe there's like a good bit of advice oh [ __ ] they added a new level just for you B just for me should we do that instead get good you basic [ __ ] uh well yeah new stuff is always better than old stuff look no one's done it Eternal trials none of your friends have played wow oh what this is different oh you choose a mat and play forever oh is it a new oh Eternal trials right play till you die I think give it a go why not yeah all right I'd like to see it um I I kind of like green we don't really we've done a lot of snow recently but uh look at the upgrades like if that one's got better boats and oh yeah better boat and uh less take less shooting damage yeah or take less melee damage and extra gold on the last night but is there a last night is there a last night maybe there's yeah every now and again it's going to be like after 12 nights like here's the mega wave and then it goes onto like the thing again I don't really want to be Bowman but don't have much Choice can you not change or heal quicker and slow things down more just don't want I don't need healing when you're a Bowman maybe the Boat Land two extra boats it's probably maybe best for money and I guess you're more likely to be shot yeah all right give it a try but is it going to be like every day they do different um loadouts or whatever or every week they change that could be we shall see God we got 30 bucks at the start of the game wow wow wow wow wow wow w w well this map doesn't even have boats on it uh not yet but maybe if we upgrade our Capital it will where would you maybe they go on the river should we should go straight for an upgrade it also says stage one uh I think you just know this better 100% damage output but was the if you use your cool down you get quicker cool Downs like timing our cool Down's not very good it's little knife oh but well I guess the 75% is good every time the automatic house Lo but surely that caps out after does after a while take thing is we're not a very fighty build because we're a Bowman doesn't feel super good let's try it let's just go for the the boring one now now are there boats no I think CU it's stage one you don't get boats oh okay and so surely boat build well we got a lot of money put down some towers and then build some um get the Farms up ASAP interesting very interesting uh well uh as you do some plinking around uh we have some very generous donations in Ben oh amazing uh S one from Leona Frost uh who says World eaters Tom and darker possible Ben ooh uh almost done with the combat Patrol on my Griffins uh I finished up the bases and transfers uh hopefully done by the end of the stream congratulations how's your Griffins going Tom uh also they've included a pick of their next big project right right uh my Griffins have made very little progress uh oh look at that oh you got to paint finish your bases those bases minis are not done without their bases done oh my God oh my God they bought that three age of Darkness boxes two AAR battle groups two Predators three Jet bike squadrons a billion dreadnots that's so many [ __ ] models another 20 Terminators and some D J working on them right now Christ this is so many models what fa are you doing that's 80 Terminators and 4 8 12 plus 23 4 six 80 8 180 Marines three dread norts three Spartans two land Raiders we in a partridge in a pear tree wow wow oh yeah plus the other dreadnots seven dreadnots of various kinds their faction is the Horus heresy very fair oh my God that's so many lies so many Space Marines um you oh you sold one contempor okay so it's not a ridiculous amount of models to build well that takes the edge off a bit okay uh have you in a color scheme God which color scheme would you do if you're told you have to get this all finished yeah uh and you're not allowed to paint any other Miniatures if I if I'm just going pure speedrun um Iron hands do you reck iron hands are faster than Raven guard Raven guard you got to do like white shoulder pads where with iron hands you just paint them black and then you paint their hand silver that's true but if you other shoulder pads on the models can you just like spray paint them spray paint all the shoulder pads that's true the shoulder paddles are separate cuz then yeah probably that then I guess that's like a easy yeah but even then white scars with no tribal markings psychopath like white scars is a horrific horrific Choice uh you're doing I think I saw you said you're doing night WS oh just lightning bolts all over all of them every model needs lightning bolts holy guacamole wow my condolences like girl but do the marking with a pen even doing the markings with a pen it's still going to take a thousand years that's a lot of [ __ ] toys a lot of toys good luck let us know how you get along I mean it's only taking you a month to do those uh 12 Howen Griffins so uh you're set for life now yeah that's it you got all the models you'll ever need and you've not finished your bases Captain's not even stuck on her base oh God just it makes me just feel like I feel anxiety looking at like how much how much stuff that needs to be painted so many models my God my Dark Angels Army that I've painted that's taking me two years three years how long have I been working on those heresy Dark Angels yeah like yeah 18 months two years something like that I'm not sure like that Army that's taking me about two years is about a third of that pile maybe 30 40% of that pile all in no even less than that surely it's less than that like that was a million uh it's like 20% of that pile it's one of those age of Darkness boxes and then like two squads and a and a dreadn and a tank added on kind of yeah yeah like wow wow wow wow well I'm impressed good luck godp speed enjoy you got a lot of fun ahead of you a lot of lot of minis to build [Music] um God it's really hard picking these like random uh perks oh they always randomized yeah completely randomized oh that's kind of not as good like if I go back to map is it going to like roll them for me no no but if you play a game and quit out I don't want to keep doing that super sucks I've got to like man up having an I do I want faster troop replenishment and faster healing feels kind of weird but yeah let's do it Elite healing infantry sure oh it's on bridge world I thought was world one uh heroic average 15 bucks thank you very much hero thank you heroic average it's a tmbb money for mold wine uh this jingle jam will be the first one I'm able to watch live I can't wait uh thanks for a great year of Warhammer moaning uh it's called Warhammer Wednesday right as soon as they stop giving us stuff to moan about we'll stop moaning how about that uh they say and I hope you have a great Christmas break I may be able to finally share some cadens when we're back oh yeah that's like a nice time to do a bit of painting yeah you have a great great time too and I hope you enjoy the jingle jangle enjoy thank you uh Gish the lizard uh five bucks Gish thank you Gish they say Tom and Ben a friend recently got into the hobby even though I explicitly told them not to we've been telling you all not to for years yeah and look where that's G on it doesn't work uh you got me into the hobby so this is your fault uh chomo came from space cuz we're doing like the bad version of a pyramid scheme cuz we don't get anything out of it it's blame it's the blame funnel oh [ __ ] we've done it all backwards again oh grants holy Mo but thank you Gish I mean we told them not to but then we also told them to not listen to anything we said uh oh nuts do you remember yeah like we really really done goofed we work in truly mysterious ways uh Inquisitor bot Ben's minion BS thank you very much is a Ben Tim yes uh in the jungle the mighty jungle the lion sleeps the night true uh anyway I got myself a second lion uh Ben thanks for helping me find out what SE green is well uh it worked well uh Tom don't worry I have a small treat for you too and they send a picture what could it be it's a little boy he's painted one of the Watchers in the dark Oh I thought that he'd painted a foot purple to make Mark him as a heretic but it's just a little tassel on the sword oh would that mean it's a heretic but I do love little Watchers in the dark oh wow you done a really nice job with your lion looking very pretty just paint the rim of your base though [ __ ] clean up the edge of the base just a licker black around the edge of the base it literally takes 10 seconds why does no one do that every photo we get sent but other than that he looks you've done a really good job that looks great very pretty wow I didn't realize how big the Forge World lion was yeah that guyy [ __ ] enormous I assumed he was smaller he's chunky and he did some newcrons hooray uh very cool you've got some scarabs looking very handsome and some boys uh and your lord shoot me not the turret shoot me shoot me shoot me pow is this what part of the king's job description yeah yeah yeah riding out being a hero uh smell jurian you smell durian thank you they say hi to and boing hello good news yes bad news time oh good news yeah I finally got to change my twitch name bad news it happened randomly when I was trying a shorter version oh well better luck in two months anyway jungle germs girl jingle JS looking forward to it well smell jurian is a funny a funny name are Juans like the stinky fruit they are that's correct I've never eaten aerian no nor have I I heard they're stinky m why would you want to drink a stink uh there's a hero house on this level now near the bottom oh I've never built a hero before is it me is it my house it's Ben's house that's where Ben lives this guy is like a rolling bomb Oh and if he touches the wall it's going to get [ __ ] up okay he's also [ __ ] me up so I don't really know what to do with that pow oh it was bad but not as bad I feel like you kind of a little bit of boy who cried wolf me it took like 80% off in one hit I expected it was going to be destroyed yeah I did too actually to be hon bunked on in maybe we got like a resistance to it or something very nice uh ooh you're cheve stage one complete oh oh okay now we just do we have to start again on the no do you oh what stage two oh but you stack the load outs oh or do you I don't know guessing oh no current load out does that change how does this work I have no idea uh whoa anti-air telescope flying enemies Get Wrecked pumpkin fields no we can't do pumpkin on the ice map there's no there's no Fields there um massive armor range resistance I believe you stack them very good oh thank you for not saying that with absolute confidence yeah I appreciate that me too cuz now I know not to rely on it or to get angry okay sure yeah if you think you think they're snacked but it's not 100% they're definitely stacked I can promise you this I I'll put a curse on my family if it is wrong Ben I stake my life on it by my forefathers my word is my bond and you definitely get to keep your previous advantages Oh wait [ __ ] no we don't oh oh we [ __ ] up oh I was just guessing oh yeah I didn't know I've never I don't even know what this game is I've never played it before like that that is legit something that has happened more than once uh so I appreciate you your what's the word uh lack of confidence yeah I think just you know a bit of an if you press Escape for does it show you your things oh yeah they do stack they do interesting very good now we know okay cool that's a big big F oh wow they're getting real stuck suck it suck it crap aults uh but what's out as a big boy [ __ ] him up a bit oh God stay away from my turret you Big Nerd hit me hit me uh-oh uh-oh don't stop hitting me okay take it all back oh God catapults unfriendly the Dark Souls this guy now nice no that's where my food grows un nice oh [ __ ] I didn't realize they took the base out that quick I've never had catapults shoot my base before wow [ __ ] wow oh man you got to go back to stage one ho moly um 45 houses could be could be good for that early stage let's try that we got a new record so well done uh so Fire Marshall Lily mhm I think it's five bucks you Fire Marshall L thank you yeah they say PK and BM yes uh I was recently gifted the starter kit with three necron Warriors and some paints mhm uh any advice for uh a minis Noob aside from paint your bases use primer buy an airbrush buy from a hardware store and paint your bases oh okay those are all I mean I'd say I don't think buy an airbrush is good beginers advice but everything else in there is legit uh just paint paint your bases uh yeah have you tried pay also what what what do you want what like advice yeah but not not the good advice that people give um I new advice honestly I think the best advice we could give you is go onto YouTube and look for painting bammer for beginners guide yeah there'll be a thousand of those and they'll all be better and they'll actually show you instead of talking at you yeah you'll see and they'll be by people that can paint better than us and uh yeah that honestly the best advice you could Poss possibly give they'll probably have more sympathy for when you don't paint your bases as well um but you should but you should yeah uh but yeah necrons super easy just paint them silver paint them silver paint your bases goblin Green and they're basically done at that stage black wash if you want to be Advanced give them a black wash otherwise pure silver pure easy uh ball bound uh it's five bucks thank you bound thank you bound and they say Tas and Manfred oh gross I don't know which one I want to be less I'll be teas because he has his wish Dragon does have a magic wish Dragon which is kind of fun I can't remember why we decided it was a wish Dragon but it is now that's looked a bit like a sphinx and sphinx don't ask give gr wishes so doesn't make any sense whatsoever na okay perfect I'm in they say hopelessly addicted to death must die now thanks to Tom uh that game's amazing very good uh helping a friend set up a table top RPG setting the postapocalypse setting like The Last of Us meets Mad Max uh want it to be Gunplay heavy any system and recommendations thank when you say Gunplay heavy do you mean you want it to be crunchy mechanical shooting rules or just like combat that has a lot of guns you want there to be a lot of guns uh cuz I'd say those are different things um oh that's a good shout actually the person who wanted painting advice check out the painting phase they oh yeah we collabed with them recently and they very good very good painting advice very cool and a fun podcast uh good question not crunchy um okay well there is literally has it been released or has it just about to come out they are making like a Last of Us uh role playing game I'm pretty sure oh like a system I don't know how good it would be um and it's probably not going to have as many cars uh one of the I quite like the powered by the apocalypse systems because they're not crunchy um and they'll be there's one of those apocalypse world I think it's called Uh which has the mechanics in it to do oh The Walking Dead tabletop RPG just came out that's probably what I'm thinking of not the last ah yeah that makes more sense um sorry uh yeah I think it's apocalypse world uh that has bits that you can do cars you can do uh uh shooties you can do um zombies and stuff like that depending on what flavor of Apocalypse you want but it's not very crunchy if you want a little bit crunchier gs do a GS then just pick and choose the rules you want to use yeah yeah like if you want cars put cars in it uh if you want loads of guns just give people more guns um I think it would make make sense uh but I've not already played a post-apocalypse uh role playing game for a long time and so I could not give you a solid hard recommendation yeah well I know what you mean cuz I feel like um as much as I enjoy a good post post-apocalypse I feel like I've seen a lot of it in the last like 10 years kind of it's worn thin for me um yeah there's probably some other PR good ones out there what the [ __ ] what 22 catapults are coming Tom 22 yeah what else is coming there's like some Bots do you just need some macen just to run down and just stand at the spawn point you just need some Mele troops just to help what if I get um I've never used them before but you can get Berserkers that will single out Siege units oh great take those this must be the final wave right 22 yeah just sit at that door just take everyone with you cuz if those guys make it into your base you're dead yeah absolutely dead let's get more fire arrows as well Twilight 2000 is post-apocalypse meets military Sim o H with something like military Sim you got to make sure that that's what your players are actually into and there for you know that's like that's kind of like chalk and cheese some people are going to love it some people are like not going to be so into that will we do a Napoleon multiplayer campaign to make you serve the movie hype well the movie comes out soon I'm excited for the movie but I've heard bad reviews well so twofold one there's meant to be like a 4our cut which is coming to Apple TV at some point oh that's exciting which is meant to make more sense right oh my God look at that this is [ __ ] ridiculous I love it oh they shoot over the mountain they're still getting shots in oh my God uh cuz yeah like apparently the movie was going to be really long but then they Cho it down to 2 and a half hours so it's meant to be just whole story plots just don't make sense oh [ __ ] well that sounds like a riddle Scott uh but did you hear the amazing [ __ ] line that he said in an interview about uh people were criticizing he's been criticized by whatever some French historians okay well yeah I mean it's a Hollywood movie it's obviously not going to be historically accurate about historical accuracy mhm and uh they're like you know this is like a big part of our history and you just have completely done it wrong um and his great [ __ ] line his response to that his Stans are saying that yeah uh was well were you there so you don't know either and [ __ ] you um like my madeup stuff's just as valid as your madeup stuff it's like yikes okay just felt like the the stupidest [ __ ] response what a response uh like mine's just as likely to be true as yours yeah my history that I made up uh so wow pretty good okay that's a choice isn't it sounds like a [ __ ] child oh oh is that the actual line do you have that there this sorry I might have paraphrased it oh I got caught by the mod the proove that line here we go were you there no well [ __ ] off then is the line that's it sorry I made it less shitty and mean than his version wow what a dick when I heard that was like oh my god really Scott come on bro look just be like hey it's a movie I yeah I embellished to make a better story embellished to make the movie a little more watchable um not just also none of his films have Like Gladiator wasn't historically accurate and Kingdom of Heaven Wasn't historically accurate and um did he do Alexander or was that someone else cuz that super wasn't accurate either I don't know um I don't know I just I guess I've just I've just learned to not expect history from anything other than a documentary and even 5050 also do you want super cold hard history I think there are some historical stories that have a good enough story in them you can be accurate they're still [ __ ] good no I'm I'm completely agreeing with that but I think you know I could you could argue that there's more value in something that's more watchable slightly less historically accurate yeah but there is a balance because if you're just like then Napoleon killed a dragon and then he flew to space yeah and you end up with like Baron munchow yeah yeah which okay no there's there's there's a few leaves in there that what I'm saying is there's a line somewhere in there isn't there there's definitely a line and everyone's line I guess is slightly different uh but I just think like you know if you get people interested in something a bit lighter yeah you're more likely to have people who are then interested in history and they're like you know what I want to know more about this you actually do more good for history than by tweaking a few things like Herodotus Herodotus remember Herodotus I think I know the name he's like an ancient Greek quote unquote historian MH who by some is called the father of History love that cuz he's one of the oldest like recorded like surviving like uh Records we have of ancient history okay but know more known more commonly by other historians as the father of eyes ooh okay both are pretty good [ __ ] titles so Herodotus was um a lot of people think that his like works of History weren't they weren't books they weren't like laid down as history they were like performed as like a show okay so there's a lot of like crowd-pleasing anecdotes in his story he'll start something off with like oh the King of Persia he got real mad about this thing that happened I've heard three different versions of this this is the one I'm telling you okay and it's like you chose the the sorcer one the sexiest one yeah to make uh make history a bit more fun okay exactly so um you know I'm all there I'm there for the Herodotus version because the battle was usually won by someone who came up with a clever strategy and tricked the people to do a cool thing yeah yeah rather than this side had 10,000 more men well or due to months of logistical failure on one side yep their troops were slightly depleted and therefore they lost it was quite inevitable and no one was really actually surprised exactly no no he um you know they uh they made a big wooden horse yeah they out foxed their foes um okay I get it and he wasn't planning on you know 2,000 years later everyone trying to decide what life was like based on his like standup material yeah for sure that people in now interpreting this although if you are in the future mhm and you've only just g into this bit of the stream you've been watching Tom for years and building your culture on this never reveal that Kemo isn't the Lord and Savior just dig feet in true that's the only true bit that's that's the true part uh you know keep the you know all the people working on building the 5,000 ft High cremo statue that your civilization has been doing for the last 2,000 years uh just keep it make it make it so do you want to be father of history or Father of Lies a why do I have to pick I want to be both I think it's so much cooler when you're both I want I think both are pretty thing is if you're father of History if people call you the father of history but you're actually the father of Lies you've done a real [ __ ] good job you've done such a good job you know I feel like that's the power play whereas if you're the other way around if you are the father of history but people remember you as the father of Lies you [ __ ] up so bad you've made a mistake along the road but I guess if you're known as the father of Lies but actually you are the father of history that works as well but people no you've done goof no no because you're known as this like deceptive terrible Force actually you that's your front the fool The Deceiver but actually you've been doing all of this stuff in the background oh I see yeah and you have controlled history through your deceptions oo yeah I want to know what that guy's into oh my God and yeah the father of lies his catas could be you can't handle the truth instantly amazing makes that really changes the direction I think that character was going to go yeah you turned him on his head and I like him more now yeah yeah it's a real different energy and I'm in oh you want to be the father of Christmas well you could do that that's pretty good you get like you know all but one day off a year yeah but that one day you got to work real [ __ ] hard oh yeah you earned your you earned your year off that point or is it like you know um Father Christmas do you remember in uh like universal Soldier the movie where they can push their body harder and faster but you have to like go in the tank cuz they're like maybe that's what Santa does oh no he's just in the cryo tube for the rest of the year yeah they have to like rebuild his body in the back to tank because he has to use all of his powers on that one day Santa yes like actually rough he's only just like the day before Christmas Eve he's like oh God okay I think I can handle another one yeah just hyping up ready to go uh and they just like pull him out like an evera assassin the rest of the time he's frozen and they're just like go sand delivers presents again yeah maybe who knows maybe who knows who do you believe one of us always tells the history one of us is the father of Li the other the father of History so oh it's like Herodotus has like that face on the front of his head and the face on the back of his head that spins around oh okay they spin good cuz otherwise I'd never believe the one on the back of the head that doesn't seem like the trustworthy face not even once and El hor confirmed well kind of yeah kind of he like what he's Beyond time and space uh L Master andat 15 bucks he Lo Master thank you there's a Tom and Ben mhm the nekron subreddit seems very grumpy about the New Codex rules oh what Warhammer play has been grumpy uh I've only been into 40K since 9th so I can't tell am I being naive for being excited for the new ways to play with my toys or are they all stick in the muds uh Kemo came from a tomb world uh both are correct I think you should be excited to play with your new toys but also you are naive and will become a jaded bitter old war game yeah once you've been playing for a little bit longer you'll be grumping around but I think I um I think I'm more excited for like the new detachments they just sound fun there's just like some cool new detachments are the most exciting thing about all the new codexes um and bunch of them well I think like three three of the new ones I'm like I would play that that actually looks like a a fun thing to do it isn't just the most basic one that you already had the Space Marine ones are disappointing in comparison They Don't Really mix up your play style um but the new nekron ones do sound much much more interesting um oh God yeah so like accidentally 18 right can optic court go yeah like yeah they done goofed on that one you're going to be seeing that and I really hate that you get these lopsided armies that can then end up like I feel like that 18 wraiths with three uh technomancers is probably going to be really strong but then the arm is going to get nerfed because that might start doing well at a tournament mhm they be like the admech were doing good when you had 18 of the robo tank track men oh yeah and then they just made those the worst it's like well CU GW usually overcorrects yeah so if something's Mega broken they'll make it Mega [ __ ] um as a response new necron reanimation protocols got [ __ ] up bad attachments are recycled from other factions I don't hate that I like I'd like the uh like being able to use someone else's faction rules like cuz one of the things is basically they get the demon demon control more of the board uh your units get better if they're in it and like that looks like a fun way to play thing is there's like 20 factions you're going to get overlap um you you come up with 20 completely Unique Mechanics and they get to do a thing a bit like the grey Knights teleporting around sounds red also them kind of braining in the reanimation protocols like necrons did have a problem with being a bit anti-un the it's one I think one of the hardest mechanics you can ever do to balance in a game is bringing things back and making it feel like it's still a fun game for everyone involved yeah you don't want someone to cuz I mean when we played we I I still had fun but there were times where I was just like I'm not going to shoot this turn yeah like just there's no point in me shooting here and here especially with a stratum where like if you shoot and you kill a model the rest can return fire at you it's like I don't want to shoot yeah because I know you will definitely heal it all back and I'm just giving you an extra firing phase yeah and so that is a bit anti fun like I don't love that as a play style this sort of like weird denial mechanic anti fun but 48% win rate how bad could it be I think an army I think you can still beat an army but it not be an enjoy have a fun game uh like a game where you're not like there are factions in games that make it not fun like they whole placed not saying this is necrons I'm saying other games other armies I've played against armies where their whole mechanic was don't play the game yeah like Dark Eldar in battlefleet Gothic their whole thing was to chip you and then [ __ ] off and then you spend the rest of the game chasing them move and you don't ever really play you feel like you're not playing the game you're just like doing just being a punching bag for them and it doesn't matter whether they ultimately if you win or lose that game because you've just not had fun for two hours yeah yeah like I think we've like said it before but I would rather lose a game every single day of the week if it's fun yeah as long as I got to actually play and felt like I felt like there was a game there and we had a good time doing it um super good I'm just a salty skeleton it's that was obious no I get it like it sucks that they just Nerf stuff rather than they make all of the [ __ ] stuff in the Codex like come up and be be better I would much rather that every day of the week and after you've been playing uh with an army for a bit and then they're just like oh no get rid of these rules and you're like ah that sucks like suddenly now certain characters can't join certain units because it was good yeah um but when they changed the points people sto doing it as much uh they make it a little less viable MH I feel like I'd rather than balance it like that rather just stripping out a couple of rules and you're like oh just feels worse yeah uh just why would I take these guys now yeah making things literally worthless um is always super feel bad and also just getting less options uh the kupic reanimate enough that thing seems Bonkers going from a 12 in Aura so it covered 24 in of the board just over because it's base size down to a 3in aura is like yikes wild I don't quite get that like if they went to six absolutely fine but 3in just feels like genuinely hard to play with yeah uh holy [ __ ] okay I've rigged this um this to blow come and get it boom Oh my god get [ __ ] wrecked heartbreak uh hooray my PR social friends agree with me I agree with some bits but I also the points aren't out yet so don't yeah let's until cuz if suddenly now necron Warriors are now Five Points a model everyone's going to be like who [ __ ] cares about reanimation protocols I could put 120 on the board every game uh yeah I mean I hope they're not Five Points no God no they never would be but the points the points will drop and stuff will mix around but if they did get rid of all healing from admech and if they're going to start just doing this across the board they're going to just put it into a position where just less armies bring anything back so the nekron's getting like a little bit is fine I don't know I think it's just no point getting too too upset about Nerfs cuz in turn the wheel keeps on turning it does the wheel turns constantly and things that are bad will be good and good things will be bad and honestly it's going to take you six months to build and paint that Army and we'll be in a completely different place by then uh yeah but it does feel bad I remember I I mean I bought the new Space Marine codex when it came out realized everything was worse and the new detachments weren't interesting um and didn't really like the the gladia still felt like the most fun one to play yeah so flexible um and so I actually haven't played since yeah yeah like we just literally haven't played again because if you're not hot to that's not the only reason I've been a bit busy but I am less enthusiastic because all these new things I want to try out I'm actually not excited to try them out because they seem just objectively yeah worse I think that's why it's really important to try and disassociate winning with fun yeah yeah I think like play with people that you have fun playing with and uh you know focus on having a a good a good time yeah um and you know maybe change change up how you play try um do like uh Crusade or a um a mini campaign or a different size battles or something to mix it up or some house rules and scenarios to try you know something different honestly like that can be as much fun as uh as a whole new codex as um uh reading about uh people playing only uh they still just play Third Ed 40K oh yeah and uh sun was like I kind of would mind giving third Ed another go now as like being a little bit older yeah I have to admit I was I had a bad first start with third Ed cuz it was such a radical departure from second I was like I don't like all these changes so much it took me a while to get used to it cuz I hated they'd got rid of movement um I hated the AP system M yeah yeah I really don't like the fact that like guns either break your armor completely or do nothing at all yeah that during that time like Space Marines felt so tough uh that idea of like you've got Terminators Yik two up armor saves I'd better have a plasma gun last cannon in every Squad uh yeah yeah yeah yeah that was what was it third head that it was last Canon plasma guns I feel like that might have been like four or maybe it was fourth when oh yeah take it easy TG yeah you too man later 3.5 Ed what's 3.5 Ed what how did that work was that which box was that oh was that um battle for mcra maybe ultr but then I you know I really enjoyed playing during the chaos uh Black Crusade era I think that's third that was either third or must be early fourth maybe I think it took me there was an adjustment period for me to for third Ed but I did had a lot of fun and it was quick yeah I vaguely remember those games being faster also armies were just smaller they were much smaller yeah uh the Space Marine Squad was like 200 points or something like that and just vely remember like a thousand points being you know a r like two rhinos some boys and some bits and like also normal games average games were like um, 1500 points or at least that's what we played in my local store uh which helped helped speed things up a lot as well I'm not really sure what to do about these roly poliy bom boys um or what do I spend my last five bucks on well if they're going to just is it worth are they just going to send can I just invest econ over here maybe and they'll never come from that direction maybe uh uh KS a says they did a donation with a question not sure if we went through uh yeah we are just really far behind yeah we're still reading donations from like 5:00 I'm sorry we will get to it slowly stay tuned um nice they all blw up great um 3.5 was the chos Space Marine book specifically oh that chaos codex was [ __ ] amazing I remember that the um the one way you could like there was like a 100 different demonic upgrades you could give your characters o and it had special rules for like if you had um at each Legion all the nine traitor Legions had their own page with a special thing like Alpha Legion could have like sabator cultists and was this it's when that metal demon Prince yeah yeah yeah metal demon Prince with the backpack um it was a golden age for chaos variety man I that's I played chaos at that stage I had um like a nurgle nurgle force and a slesh army I think I built like [ __ ] like 27 bases of nurglings or something just I I was obsessed with ner I just love swarms yeah fair and doing that are cool uh yeah if you had like um if you put your units in the Holy number of the God yeah like if you take seven plague Marines or if you have the six then you got the champion for free is that was cool that's like a just a really characterful book uh yeah the law was great as well there was some cool stories in there like everything about that was one of the best army books I'd ever had for in terms of like fun and variety two and Third Edition early one was rubbish yeah the the early one was complete crap that's when those God awful obliterators came out oh what was on the cover is that the one that has is that just like I think it was like black Legion Lads shouting Bunch up boys Bunch up real good oh no rro o no alls only scarabs I'd love pure Scarab Army uh Al isn't there one of the things you can um techno monsters can now make scarabs uh objective control one oo uh which is like a little sneak like flyby just like boom go get them boys and like well hold the objective boss uh I'm me I'm into it uh but yeah uh don't don't don't worry too much about the things being bad yet it comes and goes and if you've got a good enough group of people to play with and you're really struggling you know I think people need to remember at the end of the day like chess and go both have a handicap system you know and if bend your base oh God I didn't think um so if you've got a friend that's just constantly kicking your ass cuz they're a lot better than you or their army is a ton better have a real calm chat about it and maybe they'll be chill and be like okay cool I'll take 100 200 less points or something like that or your guys can have a thing like I yeah well I think like we've definitely had chats where I'm just like can you take something a little less optimized like I'm I like cuz I'm never going to play a super super good list I'm like hey do you fany doing something a little bit goofier and you're like [ __ ] it yeah I'll put a bunch of boys in a land Raider it doesn't really make sense of this game but like I know you've definitely toned your armies down when playing against me cuz I'm never going to I'm never going to be as good and I'm going to take stupid lists and it means that we end up having more fun games oh God yeah I don't want to stomp someone like that's no fun for me or them uh or like when we used to play epic like when you play The Lost and the dam which was clearly like a [ __ ] Army like actually bad but I feel like you had more fun playing that because you actually had a challenge and really I had to think about getting the most out of these crap troops uh and you're playing against uh like a more competitive Army I'll be honest I wish I'd done that more um it was only toward the end of us playing Epic that I was like taking it a bit more chill cuz before that I was like really into like being the best just want to like nail getting that stuff um but like uh you know do the exact same with some friends of mine that play way more casually and I know like I need to take really soft armies against them cuz they play far less and it's just going to like they're just not going to want to play well that's it they may never want to play again if they've just been completely butt slamed without even knowing what what was going on and uh so yeah like doing like some goofier goofier bits um yeah so if you're on me this week because the other thing is at the end of the day is like I know you you could go and buy the [ __ ] 18 rats and be stronger but if you don't want to buy those units I don't want to make you do that yeah exactly um wow those guys just did nothing I thought they were going to oh was scared I didn't think eight eight flail guys were going to Breck them those flail guys holy [ __ ] [ __ ] the bed but this does rely on you having a good relationship with the person you're playing and being able to talk about it without anyone getting upset and yeah yeah like all that kind of thing you know it's not a given not every group is that chill some people do just want to play to be the best and they're not interested in um you being like my Army's from the old Edition and all the the stuff that was good then is crap now yeah andu their opinion might just be well sucks for you buy better models yeah which is not they don't have to that's cool you don't have to be chill about it but hopefully hopefully if you can talk about it they will be um let's have a Golem although I feel like that's a good way to weed out if someone's like a just a Norv or not that's true like if you're like if you play someone a lot and you always losing and you're like trying stuff out and they've just got a meta list like yeah do that in a bit and if they're like no I want to win just be like well okay okay find someone else okay uh Al someone here I refuse to believe in a universe where Ben is the high skilled one and Tom is the buffoon that is that is this world that's this world that we live in there's a reason why we call stuff Ben work and Tom work and the Ben work is the stuff that involves a brain Ben is actually real good at strategy games believe it or not might be the only thing I'm good at uh and something I definitely definitely I'm not good at uh although it is why I am excited for the new necrons mhm cuz the the teleport Brigade well I don't need a plan every turn make a new plan new strategy is my completely my play style uh just love that and so uh very excited to crack that out also if they really hard Nerf necrons and make them just absolutely terrible maybe it' be great to crack out the Jean stealer Cults when they're now awful and bunk their heads into each other I have to Adit this whole jeene Steeler cult thing i' less excited to play with them not because they're worse but because they're less fun because they genuinely feel like a lot less fun to play um like again regardless of power level I just I feel like I'm going to get frustrated playing with them with the way they currently work oh my god did you just hire a Tom for your army I did look Tom's here right just hanging out by the gate what a hero oh my God I feel like getting those Towers upgraded by there surely that must be good yeah because they're so close which have I got left oh I can do them oh no I I didn't upgrade my castle I can't hit the next level do the enemies always come from the same spawn point they seem to in this mode normally they come from different places but in the last couple of levels it has been just constantly the same wow that makes like uh farms and stuff way better knowing you can just put them there and like they'll be safe holy moies it's huge um I should have built more more economy play gen silic pre enough to be honest it's just changed that respawn rule like I I just I want to completely rewrite that respawn rule to be honest any of those there's a lot of units with a similar mechanic where like uh route Gillman if he dies roll of dice on a two plus he comes back with four wounds it's dumb like that [ __ ] sucks just that game when you roll a one just didn't get that whoops sucks yeah 300 points was he Shame Shame yeah super what and it's the same with the Gen Ste CS like Sometimes they come back and that's real good but you know quite often they don't come back and then that's real bad cuz they're [ __ ] expensive how do you change it what do you cuz I like the idea of the units coming back again yes I think that's fun yep cuz they're like this sort of wave of Guerilla forces you're in their territory they've got this endless horde it's like Blackhawk Down yeah love that as a concept make them always come back mhm make them more expensive mhm um and and make it so you can um put like uh bit points on the board like spawn points and if the enemy if you get near them you can like take an action to like shut down that spawn point okay do you know what I mean but then would that stop you be able to do like objective actions yeah and you'd have to give up your shooting your assault and your objective taking with that unit but it burns that respawn Point forever like when you weld a bulkhead shut in space hole okay do you know what I mean yeah I can see that so the enemy can like control it but they have to give something up to try and do that oo yeah I mean you have to completely reject the points yeah yeah I've got no idea how powerful that is um I think that would work but also the coming back isn't Mega strong because they can't they lose a turn yeah yeah when they do come back and they have to be really far away to not get um like jumped on but I like that because then you you can model up these things you can have these little like air vents or like sewer grates that are like your spawn points yeah that like allow you to do a do a thing respawn points you get X respawns yeah that works too just something more reliable that's more of a like a resource thing that has counterplay I think all these things need counterplay to be interesting yeah or not just you didn't you roll a five plus [ __ ] me I guess yeah which is definitely Less Fun have your 300 Point Unit of um yeah making more tactical abominant like just all you need to do is look at any number of either Vietnam or um counterinsurgency War Games how do they do it oh just like just mimic some of those mechanics yeah because that's effectively what it is right it's this gorilla Army of real untrained chod I'd even make them probably a bit worse in the game than they currently are really but just way more of them like maybe hit a bit less hard because they this real glass Hammer that when they get in they just annihilate stuff yeah they definitely like I've been on the receiving end of that with like even with custodies and it's like that Alpha strike when you're just annihilating Blobs of custodes with like all the max stratums like when you when you gear them up right you get the right gear the right leaders and the right strategems these two units that are like 80 points each can dish out so much damage you can kill 300 points worth of stuff easy but then if they get caught out the open before they do it they just toast immediately so they this I don't know that feels more like a glass Hammer Eldar build than a wave of insurgence that sort of overwhelm you with their tricks but how could you avoid that um you don't want to sort of wear them down with attrition right but like uh because they will always get that like sort of main Alpha strike off what if what if there's a bit of randomization of like boom you're deep striking this unit in uh you know roll roll a dice three plus uh they come in exactly where you want them you know one or two your opponent they place them somewhere I think then we're getting back to the same problem aren't we where like oh you know you roll bad so your strategy is [ __ ] but if but suddenly if you've got a lot more of these units MH and so if instead of putting one down you're actually putting three down and so one of them is just like hey guys are we in the right place no they just took the wrong turning down the street and they're just plebingtonnob of fun is like I want the you know all these units come on but you know these guys aren't melee troops you know they just brought these guys brought shotguns oh the these these guys have found a truck you me I kind of like it you this militia commander and you're like everyone turn up on this day with whatever you can get your hands on and then I guess I'll see what I've how I make the most of what I've got on the day [ __ ] so right there's a way you could do this mhm bear with me cuz it's sounds complicated at first I hope I can describe like mechanically how this would work yeah um and it's based on a like an inventory system from a role playing game right where uh imagine if you have all of your units you have them in a list B uh from one to 10 of your units and when you put your blip down or you deep strike something in mhm it is going to be random okay but uh you roll a like a D6 we'll say mhm and whatever number you roll you can take from your list that position or lower so if you roll a one whatever is at the top of the list you have to put that oh okay if you roll a six you can choose any of the units from one to six so if you've got stuff that you're like I don't want this coming on first that's further down the list and then so you got like a marching order effectively yeah but you get a bit of flexibility yeah in the order that stuff actually comes out in it's interesting um but depend like you've got some stuff which is definitely like if you're like right my blob of 20 guys with the demo charges and things that's position one I'm always going to be able to have those guys on the table as my first deep strike action they're 100% going to be there um I know they can be there the number two very likely I'm going to get to choose that number three a little less likely and as it goes up it starts getting more random yeah as long as it's not just a chance of getting nothing oh yeah no You' always get no you always would get one of your units um but you're not sure what it is and as the battle goes on that list gets way more disorganized um as stuff kind of slowly like creeps onto the battlefield um okay there's something in that see yeah there's a lot of ways to do it I think I think it's just the it's too big a swing for a single dice roll it's yeah no it feels that it's a 50/50 chance that I get a 150 points back or not oh yeah do you know what I mean and but it's that five times a game yeah which is which is bad uh anyway that's just Tom and Ben just chat a nerd ship maybe some people can follow some people can't yeah maybe went a bit deep on that one uh yeah that's my that's my bad uh Chrome uh don't 10 bucks do you Chrome and they say thunder egg Tom and bismuth Ben m H uh do either of you have a favorite mineral or Crystal and what pseudo science power would you give it ooh that's fun um I like an amethyst they look cool amethysts are nice I think all of those core ones amethyst sappi rubies they all they're all pretty cool attractive yeah uh obsidian I quite like you know just that pure black I mean any kind of geode it's got got it charm isn't it yeah but they really cut your dick up yeah when I'm into that but the now I can't do it any other way it's the only way to do I've built up the calluses Tom nothing else gets through um wow the calluses oh God to that how thick do those calluses have to [Music] be um yeah I don't know um I don't really believe in the crystal magic yeah no the magic power we've just assigned it here is the power to cut through my desensitized that's it [ __ ] uh it's why we can't go back to the crystal shop anymore it's why we got a lifetime [Laughter] ban um yeah I don't know what are the other good things um I mean you know healing that's what crystals are supposed to do yeah but um I don't know everything else feels kind of lame now after after that one yesly sucks bismuth which one's bismuth hematite is a fave is that a good one not familiar that one uh yeah I'm not super familiar with um them I do remember getting a copy of the collectible magazine as a child minerals of the earth they're minerals um is that did just have a picture of Hank on the cover they're minerals uh no maybe I even got two issues cuz I think one they had like these cool little pots um and like a thing that you could store your minerals of the earth oh that's fun uh n I think I think my parents were kind of down with it cuz it's like at least it's not [ __ ] white dwarf yeah maybe there's science hey someone else have that Meg oh that's cool cheerful owl minerals of the earth very cool I subscribe to the much more expensive minerals of the Moon oh how many minerals do you even get there I don't know maybe a couple maybe some I don't know maybe it didn't get like hot enough to make any minerals uh it's probably got iron right rules what's moon rock made of silicon [ __ ] dust I don't know dust no idea stone I have no idea we're not scientists we're [ __ ] nerves uh so Bly Bob uh Den five 50 bucks thank you [ __ ] up I [ __ ] up um very cool oh b w you really [ __ ] up uh thank you for the 50 bucks oh 50 bucks holy [ __ ] that's very generous thank you Bob uh they say Ben and Tom I'm glad to catch you to live been thoroughly enjoying your new channels oo if I if I may suggest yes you may Ben would love to see some battle Tech ooh uh and Fallout um the man i' I'd love to play that Fallout game well I love the Miniatures of the Fallout game Yeah we actually are in the process of planning a Fallout oh really but it's probably a long way off cuz we're um we're going to see if we can do a collab where we get someone to like pro pro paint the minis oh nice so the Min aren't even painted yet so it won't be filmed for a while so uh it's coming but don't you know hold your breath and what about BattleTech BattleTech I have played hundreds of games of BattleTech I would probably say it's my most played Miniatures game and I love it I don't think I will ever do a game so it must be the most fun Miniatures game then Ben it doesn't really fit with the style of the channel it's very crunchy there's lots of tables and bookkeeping it also doesn't exactly ooze character and narrative what are you talking about by yman he fires his Rockets spin he's firing them 14 hex's away and you're in the city he hit your leg yep and my leg is now taken 20% of his external armor damage there is literally no effect oh no my Herby is in danger you've snuck up behind him but luckily he can turn around he's got flippy arms in the street now the hunter has become the hunted that that what you want cuz this sounds amazing also I think I'll struggle to get anyone who's in up for it I'd play uh or I pretend to play I'd be like I want to do this and you and then I can just do all the maths tell you what happens as I shout Char fire the missiles okay you can do that in a minute by B Because holy [ __ ] just firing those missiles right let me let me break this down for you um battle Tech uh look even if I just give you the quick reference right um so so you're firing a missile launcher right so man I've never wanted to look at the Horus heresy book CH more in my life so you're firing let's say you've got four SRM sixes right so each one of them no is a six you got two six to see how many of those six missiles hit so oh you rolled a 10 Tom five of your six missiles hit now each missile must individually find a hit location and don't worry each of these Miss does two damage so nothing actually interesting is going to happen until of these missiles have hit the loation I feel weak sir I feel weak it's just so [ __ ] fiddly I used to the reason I played so much of it is cuz cuz you're a [ __ ] nerd band doz you love book rules I played it online where I just went fire the weapons and then the computer said this much damage has been taken okay that's what I want I want to press I want to say fire weapons and then you be like okay I'll be back in 25 minutes literally it is like 5 to 10 minutes of working out one point of damage yeah but when a computer does it all for you automatically a game still takes two hours like that's too long it's just that's too I love it but yikes is all I can say uh so Bly Bob thank you for the 50 bucks but Ben says [ __ ] you to your idea for BattleTech uh is very angry maybe we could set it up so we got the Miniatures and the scenery and then I just have like a tablet with the computer version Oh we just play um uh I don't know just sneaks and ladders with the BattleTech manes all that you know it's like you know when you play a chess computer and you move the piece for the computer yeah yeah we do it like that where you you know you move the the mech and I'm like okay move the mech on the tablet press go Computer Works everything out that's kind of a fun idea that might work hate save us saw the faf but still have the fun toys and table uh do we do it like time commanders maybe time Commander we could totally do BattleTech As Time commanders to people that have no idea what's going on and you could be sat there and you can cut some of that footage in that would be [ __ ] jokes that'd be [ __ ] rad actually okay Bly Bob you're back in the game you're back baby you convinced us uh yeah I love it I'm I'm in I love it write it down write it down ah I'm so remember we'll remember how hard can it be um and uh so yeah battle attack and Fallout and for games night they recommend into the odd and our God is dead uh I've not heard of either of those so I own uh the original printing of um Whatchamacallit into the odd I have that into the odd um uh it's cool it's like a a very like stripped down um kind of like fantasy RPG um with very like simple simple rules um but I just picked up what was the next one that they did Mythic my quest something literally something no that's a that's a TV show uh yeah it's definitely on the list oh no I [ __ ] up Tom oh Ben I should I forgot to buy troops should have bought troops um but also AR God dead I've never heard of that it's about clerics hiding the fact that their God has died just before the celebration of their God's honor well that's sounds lovely I'll check it out it sounds very nice was that a picture of me was that a picture of you it's me is like a green priest it it actually does it does actually look like you as a be frog man uh well do you want to bring it up on the main screen yeah how do I do that se for our God is dead dead RPG that top one this picture there I am it's me does oh [ __ ] my God is dead well you're like a like a f frog fish priest with your frog headdress and frog stuff yeah I think is you wow especially do you remember those drawings that um was it Frederick did yeah oh my God beautiful like um Tom and Ben skarsnik art yeah it's got this kind of vibe it's like so good just such cool art style I love these oh man like the other ones like boo so many of them and they're all fantastic it's like the D born on the knuckles is such a good feature so R just love it just every time completely capture the energy of of Tom and Ben there's so many Tom and Ben in Warhammer isn't there uh [Laughter] oh beautiful I love these these just bring me so much joy do you remember the Christmas one [Music] uh was that uh with the B bonfire there was a little fire and we were reading a story by the fire yeah uh no it's not these do remember it um it had CR in it CR that hasn't narrowed it down at all we do talk about Kell a lot there's a lot of KRL it's all the Tom and Ben well it's all the [Laughter] toms and two BS I think yeah there's been a bit more variation in my look I guess the sharks are me of course they are there's more BS than I thought uh this beardless Ben the rare SP spotted beardless Ben that's when he was the most [Laughter] generic oh if we go to the their Reddit that'll do it right and we love to go to uh posts uh posts that's the one I was looking for yes oh no they've moved on from us Tom to better people they've moved on to a better thing [Laughter] [ __ ] it was like this but I want to see it again few years back now I guess yeah we've moved on they've become professional they need to disassociate themselves with us for the sake of their [Laughter] career oh I forgotten about that one so good love the levels 3D spanger just layers just layers upon layers so good oh oh we must be close we must be real close there it is oh then what happened then man and what happened Hinrich just like boring V Carin in the background it's just beautiful just [ __ ] beautiful artwork every time I love it zombie Simon and Lewis that we've resurrected just hanging out a and you're reading The Nightmare Before Christmas very cute it's adorable good good times uh so but hoofer uh do it's five bucks you but hoofer you and they say hello been in the joblin pile for the last few weeks but happy to catch the stream once again to share my latest minis well that is lovely me uh you have got is that Peter turbo the back of a robo oh it's like an iron Warrior demon Prince oh this guy's [ __ ] rare vaguely like Mr Turbo oh looks super cool yeah that is awesome I feel like you just don't see as many um Iron Warriors demon princes and this is a really nice one yeah he looks great very oh actually it's it's what if what he would look like when he becomes demon Prince oh okayo nice he looks great good job super duper cool love it thank you but hoer and Talos Kane D it's 19 bucks tell us Kane thank you they say Thomas and bonus M uh loving all the content as per usual watching an Elden ring Co-op and mystery quest while painting is a good time indeed uh good luck with the jingle jam also here's a bunch of stuff I've painted uh crack me in oh you did A Johnson here's a Johnny Johnson uh there we go that's the right thing uh looking nice and Bas is done oh they finished their bass properly beautiful this looks great yeah he done a really nice job of that very cool sword looks amazing as well yeah Bernie sword holy moies God like it's it must be nice to have like a real good centerpiece model oh and some uh some bad boys bad boys nice oh the steel falling from Infinity there's a little bun oh Bunny and some Robos and a real cat wow bonus cat uh very I love it very cool very cool Minis and really nicely painted bases as well yeah those Infinity stuff looks really good B are done now you're Grumps we just don't say they're finished if they're not finished I don't think that's on us very true uh Geo 5 do next 19 bucks goo 5 thank you very much they say hello loving mystery quest first time painting minis uh other than the store freebie uh here we go oh only yesterday I realized Horus heresy is not a silly thing you guys made up sounds ridiculous next you'll say berry milk is [Laughter] real I love the idea that someone watches this stream and assumes that's something like that is something we made oh God we speak so much bollocks like so much of it is absolute dog [ __ ] that I can't like people are if you're not super familiar with it there is going to be real stuff that you do take as take us like oh that has to be made up as well that must be made up it's so dumb especially cuz I just love the concept that they thought we'd committed to the bit so much that every couple of weeks we'd come back and tell just another [ __ ] story about what happened next and I just keep like oh no I hate it I've come up with new new story typ oh my God these poor poor people so sorry oh uh the alliteration sounds bit ridiculous it kind of agree that's true I still like that it's his full name Horus heresy is his name and they named heresy after him yeah yeah yeah that's why it's it's DED out uh we made a whole fake chart just as as a stupid bit just dumb B oh used to think it was your hammer or your Hammer now I just assum it's all warw Hammer that makes sense Horus Horus heresy is his name uh lupal lupal is just some madeup nonsense yeah no lupal is not even his name that's just like something people call him that's like his nickname what did he how did he get that cuz as we know all military nicknames for something dumb and stupid you did oh um lupac Cal what's that actually mean I think it's like Latin for Wolf is Lupine MH so I think it's like wolf I'm not sure what the Cal would be short for Lupa Cal is his first owner I think that kind of looks they caught him at a like a pH yeah like convention uh cuz he does have that big wolf pelt bird wow God like I just assumed it he'd be the first one to come up I forgot that other horses exist well I think that's it like he takes his first suit with him yeah just in case he ever like meets another one of his for the next time he meets lean Russ yeah when he meets lean Russ and they're like oh sweet let's do a little bit of impromptu y uh Ying is that um uh makes sense it just makes sense that's why he has that this bit is Canon mhm definitely is how it goes Horus lupac Cal heresy that's his full name that's his full name but lupac Cal that's his nickname that the uh the other the other f call him anyway moving on uh The Man With No Name didn't it's 13 bucks any with my name thank you they say Greetings wheel booy whipping Master Tom and secretly feeding wheel booy in the basement Ben I would never gross everyone hates wheel booy uh a classic Ron Weasley question if I may how many Ron Weasleys would it take to defeat RoboCop oo I'm foreseeing a lot of dick uh May cremo smile upon you both yeah at what point does RoboCop decide to shoot someone cuz he does give them like warnings right multiple warnings and then if then but usually he gives them a warning and they immediately shoot him and so he shoots them back yeah that's kind of how he rolls um or they threatens to shoot someone you they're pointing a gun at someone or something and he's just like your dick's gone dick [Music] gone I'm not surez cuz I think would he mistake the wand as a gun but I think if he Ron was like Stupify and that probably doesn't work on RoboCop it might make his vision go green fuzzy oh he can have a little bit of fuzzy and then blows his dick off but he isn't going to shoot to kill right no he's going to incapacitate and then you know call a Trauma Center yeah yeah and there'll be hundreds of Ron Weasley oh cuz you know I think well RoboCop can't eat slugs though cuz they're not baby food they're too much to digest that's true so I feel like you know if there's like a pack of Weasley one of them's going to get off a eat a slug slug mouth he's just going to be like he's going to hate that I don't know but will the robo will the robo part of him be able to override and just stand strong and just keep shooting even as the Slugs just burst out of his mouth yeah I think it depends on what point how human is he at this point has he like taken his helmet off and embraced his Humanity that's true in which case I think he's getting incapacitated by slugs okay so like end of movie less Ron Weasley I'm going to give it like around a five okay early when he's way more robot robotto uh I think you're getting into like like dozens at least scene now RoboCop remake yeah yeah uh I want like I think 20 or 30 before you run into a room oh my God there's 29 other BS and they've all had their dick shot off fine right I'm going to I'm going to do the expell armus now I've going to go for the kill if I've never seen RoboCop have to fight a person without his gun oh no cuz he does he even pales that guy with the spike so as soon as he's been expell armor he's just going to be like Ching oh does a stab belly armus is the drop what is the um what's the bad one the Voldemort I think Ron wisley would try that yeah and then he'd be like oh no cuz now he's stabbing me in the dick oh no he's stabbing my dick off what's the what's the bad the bad one where they pow uh K them Abra kadavra oh yeah yeah that one Avida a yeah like Ron Weasley is going to [ __ ] bust that one out after you've seen enough Ron Weasley after like 10 Ron Weasley have dick puncher wounds yeah probably but then does RoboCop die or does his meat bit die and he keeps stabbing I think you need the meat bit like a Pneumatic dick stabber just relentlessly yeah you have to have the meat bit if it's just the robot CU robot bit just follow its last command once the meat dies well he's just stood over over this one poor Ron Weasley emptying magazine after magazine into his dick oh [ __ ] yeah he's just did like a endless loop oh gross hate that don't want that but then you just like knock him over a 209 style at that point and he can't get yeah I don't want to be the guy who [ __ ] goes and has to knock him over but like the um the wizards they like force push all the time with their ones right yeah they just like that's they just do they don't even say a word they just like knock people over that's like basic yeah EMP spell oh there's got to be an EMP spell right no cuz Wizards don't understand technology you know so they can't counter it they don't understand it they refuse to kind of acknowledge its existence they only just installed Plumbing that's true that's for those dirty dirty Muggles wow oh well I hope that answers your question um man with no name and you're right there was a lot of dick shooting well there has to be that's his RoboCop after all that's his trick uh Egypt features Den NB Egypt features you say Thomas and Benjamin oh that's me I'm currently converting a kakin inspired by the galactic Marines are from Star Wars oh who are those guys if you could take anything from Warhammer and put it into another sci-fi fantasy world or vice versa what would it be uh oh oh these guys look Ace done a great job with those they look just like them they're really good yeah I mean I guess they just kakin with like face masks and painted upright but it looks really effective I guess great too Wilder conversion to have to do I'm I'm genuinely really impressed these look awesome very cool job I think if you would have shown like I'm not super familiar with no cuz these would be from the Clone Wars cartoon I guess oh no they're in that one scene in Revenge of the Seth oh oh my God I wouldn't have remembered that no not me neither not until I saw that scene uh like [ __ ] I watched the uh like a like a meme video the other day I was like what is this piece of music I've got and it was really winding me up and uh yeah it was a bit it was the music when Anakin storms into the Jedi Temple with it's the I was like oh I'm so familiar with this but yeah yeah individual little details uh elude me uh but yeah these your models are great yeah really ni very pretty very nice what was the question what do you take from uh Warhammer and put into another ccii oh do a reverso because almost everything in Warhammer is something else that exists given the Warhammer treatment um G Ste the Cults yes absolutely that's a good answer that although that it's them taking you know copying just a bunch of other ideas I feel like they've made it tight enough themselves it is distinct enough own identity own kind of identity its own absolutely just some kind of Alien Parasite that takes over the world insidiously um and has this sort of creepy creepiness to it that would fit into almost any sci-fi World wouldn't it yeah yeah yeah I think like super super simple and I don't think you need the full tyranid no you don't need the tyranid association at all that u i mean they kind of did it in Star Trek with the the worm that goes inside you remember the time they obliterate that dude when they turn to 11 yeah [ __ ] is [ __ ] that guy really explode his head um but they didn't do that the whole cult part of it where like J see the cult and Star Trek you see the cult and Star Trek would be great that'd be a great like sort of season yeah uh consistent enemy absolutely I very much like that what else Space Marines Ben Space Marines in Star Wars they would kill all the Jedi cuz the Space Marines the best so much better than Stormtroopers about a Space Marine in Halo Ben cuz the Space Marines and they as Magnus Kline he high-fives Master Chief and they're like we're the Space Marine now and then Master Chief is like you are the master of this Chief now you're the true Master Chief space Marine what about that would you like that Ben M I would love that Mass Effect but there's a Space Marine in it and he's the best and he says I'm now the mass effect in this part yeah and then he then they bang he [ __ ] the alien god space me are like literally the last thing I would want to put into anything else oh wow ruined at Tom well done now I can't think of [ __ ] anything else it's Lord of the Rings but instead of Frodo it's a Space Marine and they're like One does not simply walk into M and he's like for the emperor pow pow pow and he does he does it and it's it's just a line of or corpses all the way up M he just space Maring around perfect uh oh I like to see scaven in other things they're cool M imagine scaven in Lord of the Rings I guess would be fun yeah yeah yeah yeah like I'm I'm in what if they were attacking Helms Deep and they just had like wacky rat ogres and warp powered Siege engines and [ __ ] that'd be so much cooler there is no way the [ __ ] plebs at Helm Deep could stand against aav Force even a like a tiny one well they get undermined immediately yeah just the walls collapse or the scal just pour from the backside come out of the caves and tunnels yeah they come out of the tunnels the secret tunnels and um rattling guns jaes okay well maybe you Tech the scaven down a bit and you say they have to do a standard Siege CU then the guys on the walls would last a lot longer cuz you know Clan rats climbing up way less dangerous than urai well it's not going to be Clan rats at first it's it's uh send in the 200,000 scaven slaves yeah and Legas is like shoot them in the any bit any bit any of the bit just shoot them they don't have any armor they have no armor save uh yeah gave and eat all the women and children in the caves they definitely do it they would 100% do it yeah but then you can have a cool bit legales like kills the chieftain with like an arrow to the eye and that causes the two like left tenants to like bicker with each other about who's going to be the next Chie oh yeah they just like turnning each other and just start stabbing and just a bunch of guys run yeah do like a wackier wackier thing it' be cool and yeah I just want to see the uh the scaven warlord at the back who's just like for [ __ ] sake [ __ ] scaven a doom wheel starts driving into the the little crack in the wall legal ass like shoots the driver and it Corin like kills 100 like scaven slaves as it crashes and explodes no I want more old school it's going up and whatever halier mhm is like quick shoot shoot the side you know like they do with a testudo and they kill all the rats and they're in the wheel and so the other side starts going faster off the ramp and then it's just driving through the scaven lines as the the like old guy old man scaver with a rug over his is there just like just letting off shooting lightning in all directions yeah just lightning is going out he's still having the best time of his life but it's just less rats as this thing just starts doing donuts through the scaven lines perfect 100% would work yeah by the time G turns up there's just nothing left it's just a mess just donutting Doom Wheels rampaging rat oans yeah like the castle is going to be in Ruins almost everyone is dead there's just a few Defenders just like [ __ ] please help and the SK would have just left cuz it's a mess it's just like everyone's shanking each other yeah I think that that would completely make sense yeah let's do that I'm in okay boom there you go and then a Space Marine turn found a Space Marine Ben he comes and it's not Gandalf the White no it's a Space Marine on a bike and he comes in and then he kills everyone he's a Space Marine and Space Marines are the coolest uh yes I think that definitely definitely makes sense uh right one second I say thak Tinder King uh two bucks thank you thak thank you say tubo and brisket uh you wock got your jingle in my jam and I'm right cross about it oh I know uh you'd better make this right by offering me some sort of bundle of awesome games a reasonable minimum price with all the proceeds going to charity or you'll be sorry oh you're you're in luck I think we you're asking for a lot but I'll see what we can do in the next two days uh yeah it's man it's going to be a lot to do in two days time we'll see anything for you thorak we'll see uh and it's not a bundle it's a collection [ __ ] we failed already God we already [ __ ] it up God [ __ ] [ __ ] work so close hearon uh but yeah no stay tuned it's coming it's a coming it's coming jingle jams are coming jingle jams are coming uh ancient stone tablet ooh three bucks thank you very much and they say fed but first into an automatic sausage Annihilator because he wouldn't eat his teeth Ben and sent home early with a bad stummy ache because he ate too many teeth Tom what he came out of that a lot better yeah uh sure I am looking forward to the jingle jam any red hot previews to share yes it's in two days time this time they'll be jingling and they'll be jamming there will be uh so yeah it'll be a thing can't wait the first week schedule's already out is it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh jingle wait wait we can't use up all our uh talking about it now CU we we got to do the prestream and there's going to be a lot of us talking about it there yeah but we just do all this chat again it'll be like you know loads of other people anyone's here right look at that perfect 70 games s over 70 games over ,000 worth of value wow it's amazing very exciteed and there's a game that is launching in the jingle jam oh yeah brand new game out the same day get it as part of the collection rather than like buying it brand new very cool very cool um I'm surprised the schedule isn't on there must be on the Yogscast Twitter probably uh all right well we'll never know no way of known uh Chow uh next 55 bucks thank you very much Chow oh that's last very kind they say Tom and Ben congratulations on MST Quest I'm hooked uh I love the climactic ending to Mothership H uh why do you think tabletop RPGs are only around in the last few decades uh was the tech not there in centuries past M I'm sure people probably did some kind of Storytelling less formal games I'm sure storytelling games existed before Dungeons and Dragons but I guess just it was the same sort of time that you know Miniatures wargaming just became more formalized there was just a better scene for sharing that with other nerds uh I think it's a big part of it isn't it like um it's only due to like modern communication that we can even find other nerds really yeah uh that without it um you know then you can actually make a product and then sell it to people or people can share their interests like this when magazine creation got cheap enough or whatever yeah that people could find each [Music] other uh yeah so I'm not saying wargaming didn't exist before then cuz it definitely did people pushing their Napoleonic Miniatures around stuff like that but more formalized uh stuff but this is only a guess I literally have no idea I'm making just're guessing um but that would be my my idea that it started to be able to be popularized and it probably did exist in like real Niche groups in it in like a prototype format yeah uh that people just did something like that that's my guess maybe mhm maybe thank you very much uh and Kane eats AE do 10 bucks you came thank you uh they were asking if we'd read their message yet and we hadn't no but now we have but we have now or we are now so I hope you're listening and if not you're [ __ ] up uh they say hey guys I've been a fan for a long time do you guys have a shipping address or a poo box PO Box those are two different things uh I want to send you an Xmas present is uh they're wood etched old gods that Illustrated a few years ago have a look uh we got a Pikachu there is a y's cast uh well it's just there's a public address I mean if you literally just type Yogscast office address into Google there it is Boom you got it bam that's where we live wow wow we used to be a bit more secretive at the old office but everyone's chilled out of it now yeah yeah it's got five stars 85 Google reviewers can't be wrong Bo yourself for about seven years okay there we yeah nice thank you thank you though that's very kind to offer you don't have to send us anything uh you can't like anyone can look at it you can't turn up and get in it is still a workplace where you don't get in you don't walk in uh these woodprints look amazing they look really cool holy moly holy [ __ ] very cool wow these look great well done did you do these yourself they're awesome wow wow wow really pretty M very nice wow well done these are great uh thank you very much oh yeah let how you get the address that's the thing uh probably not an owl that makes me very suspicious try saying TW see if they respond TW TW suspicious no response uh they say Robo dog Tom and cyber alter task unit Ben they say who we got him we got him every time it's an owl uh longtime Watcher first time Dono uh I paint some tiny toys oo I like tiny toys uh best of luck for the jingle jam centors ah uh o we got some breaches some Navy breaches oh and some crouts oh they look great these P nicely oh I like the bases too all the little leaves and stuff it's cool completely based finish their basing oh forces too very good and dog squad dog Squad these all look Ace yeah these are great very pretty very nicely painted oh look at that they've got little evidence num evidence marker on that's cute that's a really nice touch yeah I like that oh [ __ ] that's such a cool idea I can't believe I've not seen that done before that was a great idea yeah very nice love it these are these are all amazing yeah really cool well congratulations and probably not an owl I think you might be almost certainly uh pattern uh five b you pattern thank you they say sup go any chance of a painting stream this jungly J uh with guest painting phase and future games night teasers maybe there might be a painting stream week two we'll see how it goes maybe maybe I'd love to it's always fun painting mhm love a painting I get a lot of painting done on the stream so do we it's mainly just nerd chat just chatting about nerd [ __ ] yeah that's aesome uh Bly Bob uh who was the one that recommended uh battle Tech mhm they say right back at you I think cuz um you had responded with [ __ ] you with his idea for I don't remember using that [ __ ] you Bob you piece of [ __ ] you [ __ ] don't know anything I left the BattleTech life behind I got out I got out you can't drag me back in not even once so [ __ ] you um and so they say right back at you uh or you could play BattleTech Alpha strike in dead M could do is that faster uh yeah it's like um like the apocalypse version rules oh nice so the idea is you play with like 50 mechs instead of four so everything's streamlined wow um I haven't I've never played alha strike but I've like flick through the rules so I guess you could play with less mechs and it'd be way quicker but I feel like you it's that delicate balance between complexity and flavor you know cuz if the rules are too simple then you're just rolling four s aren't you um so I don't know I need to actually see a game in action to see how how it flows if there's enough to it interesting so once again I think Ben replies with [ __ ] you Bly B uh he doesn't he's not seeing it he needs to see it I need to see it yeah I'll watch a video of some people playing it see how it looks but oh hobo with two shotguns confirms my suspicions and says Alpha strike is Bland as hell sadly that was my worry after reading the book um played 4v4 off strike the Buddy okay so we're getting both ends of the spectrum from chat some people love it some people hate it tricky uh well we'll see uh thank you very much ply Bob uh and then Le Frosty doing this again and they say Tom no read good what no that could never happen what no uh I said I was finishing them up uh now that they were done oh uh get out claws yeah I feel like I'd rather see them when they're [Music] done yeah cuz where where do you draw the line I've started my new Army Tom here it is I'm going to buy it tomorrow can show you I'm going to pick it up with [Laughter] these my hands that's you that is that's you that's you and your bases uh there's a line uh somewhere somewhere on that Spectrum I guess or just paint your model and get your base finished and then it's done and then you are done the then it's the end and then there's no arguing is there yeah then it's very clearcut the model is finished uh whereas anything before that you may as well be doing [Laughter] this here's all my Miniatures I finished wow Ben this is my 12th edition Warhammer 4,000 Dark mechanicus Army oo I can't [Laughter] wait uh but they added the picture oh now oh so much better they fit in so much better look at that you get those black rooms done and like they just just pops you did it are they always this [Music] [Laughter] mean I don't know sometimes you spin the wheel sometimes we're not mean at all sometimes we're [ __ ] [ __ ] just yeah you might send a lovely message and it just turns into just us being [ __ ] horrible oh that honestly world of difference so much better it's all completed and it looks great good job really really good congratulations you've got your uh hen Griffins together and they look amazing very nice I love them very pretty um pal well I think we might be might be all done no sex hats though that's true wow but that's probably like a special like an apothecary unit right yeah the special falcony the Griffin Griffin ears the yeah the the griminator thing the Griffin seminor nice the Griffin seminor that makes that makes sense hate it although the back half of a griffi way we shouldn't just this shouldn't go down this room no you don't we've been there once it's more than enough just like it's almost like I had a vision of the future then SL theast the lreal oh my God it would be darker terrible as terrible as the th terrible to behold we have to wrap this up um uh so uh thank you very much to everybody everyone who turned up everyone who has hung out and chatted I hope you've enjoyed this it's a mess oh I'm so sorry um but you don't have to watch it for the rest of the year that's true last Tom and Ben Warhammer nonsense chat for a year wow yeah um well we might see what happens after um we might sneak before uh maybe maybe not it might just be um dead until the new year because uh because you know holidays let me have a look what are we what are we talking here December it would be yeah I don't want to stream 27th no sounds like U sleepy sleepy turkey tummy uh so probably like just the 20 20th um we to talk warham on the jingle jam wrapup oh well then might we might still talk about Warhammer and Griffin seminor but in a different capacity but I think we can come back with some Warhammer Total War yeah on the third I'm excited to start a new campaign I think it'll be super cool beat two will we stream on third almost definitely outside of uh outside of illness outside of yog plague yeah so yeah if there's um you know Mega plague or something going on um but hopefully by then this should all be all be wrapped up pal well stay tuned for Friday yeah Friday Tom and Ben are going to do the um the little warmup the hype hype stream to just chatting away on Friday then obviously the main event Lou and Simon come on at 5 when the jingle jam starts you can donate to charity and all that good stuff and and it's two weeks of [ __ ] Insanity where we stream for at least 12 hours a day mhm and all the stream's going to be happening then well quite a lot up until the 14th uh hope everyone's got their their big pants on and is ready for action yes are you streaming tomorrow yes oo come to my channel for more Warhammer nonsense do it 7 o'clock tomorrow do it coward twitch. tv/ bedgar that's where I live uh pal well until then everybody goodbye goodbye
