JONI LAMB: CONTROVERSY
IN THE CHURCH. IS IT JUSTIFIED OR
DUE TO A LACK OF CONTEXT? MIKE TODD JOINS US TO TALK
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ALL OF OUR LATEST POSTS. ♪♪♪♪♪ ♪♪♪♪♪ JONI LAMB: WELL, WHEN
CONTROVERSY HITS THE CHURCH, HOW SHOULD WE RESPOND,
AND ARE SOME CONTROVERSIES SIMPLY DUE TO
LACK OF CONTEXT? TODAY'S GUEST HAS FELT THE
FULL FORCE OF MAINSTREAM AND SOCIAL MEDIA OUTRAGE. BUT WHAT'S AT THE
HEART OF THE ISSUE? WELL, WE'RE SITTING DOWN
WITH HIM TODAY TO FIND OUT, BUT FIRST JOINING ME AROUND
THE TABLE IS APRIL SIMONS. WE'VE ALL HAD A LITTLE
BIT OF THAT CONTROVERSY. APRIL SIMONS: I CAN'T BELIEVE
THERE'S CONTROVERSY IN THE CHURCH. [ LAUGHING ] APRIL: WHO
WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? JONI: I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH. OKAY, FOR SURE. DEHAVILLAND FORD? IT'S IMPORTANT
TO TALK ABOUT IT. SOMETIMES WE JUST PUT OR
HAND UP AND LIKE, OKAY, SHUN, WE'RE NOT GOING
TO LISTEN ANYMORE. DEHAVILLAND FORD: YES. AND WE HAVE TWO EXTREMES. WE HAVE
THE CANCEL CULTURE AND THEN WE HAVE THE
LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY CULTURE. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE
SO GOOD TODAY, YEAH. REBECCA: THAT'S GOOD. JONI:
RACHEL LAMB BROWN. YOU'RE ALWAYS READY
TO HIT ANYTHING. RACHEL LAMB BROWN:
LISTEN. I WANT TO HIT IT, I
WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, LET'S HEAR THE
HEART BEHIND IT. TODAY'S GUEST HAS, OUT
OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN MINISTRY, AND
THERE ARE A LOT, AND THERE'S A LOT THAT
HAVE COME THROUGH DAYSTAR, IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PEOPLE
THAT HAS PERSONALLY MINISTERED TO ME. SO I LOVE HIM, I
KNOW HIS HEART, AND I HOPE THAT THAT IS
SHARED AND REVEALED TODAY. JONI: YES, I
BELIEVE IT WILL BE. REBECCA LAMB WEISS? REBECCA LAMB WEISS:
HELLO. JONI: GOD IS THE ONLY
ONE THAT CAN LOOK AT OUR HEART AND REALLY KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE. IT'S BIBLICAL. JONI: AND SO MANY
TIMES, WE WANT TO JUDGE, AND WE DON'T KNOW. REBECCA: YEAH. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT WHEN IT
COMES TO THE OUTWARD ACTIONS OF BELIEVERS, IF
SOMETHING IS RIGHT OR WRONG, WE CAN SAY THAT, BUT WITH
THE INWARD OF THE HEART, THE BIBLE
SAYS WE CANNOT JUDGE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. JONI: YEAH, FOR SURE. REBECCA: SO THAT'S
THE DISTINCTION. BECAUSE THE BIBLE
TALKS ABOUT BOTH. JONI: CINDY MURDOCK? WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A
FEW YEARS LONGER THAN SOME OF THESE YOUNG
ONES SITTING HERE. BUT GOD IS SO FAITHFUL. AND AS WE NAVIGATE THROUGH
LIFE AND MINISTRY, THERE'S GOING TO
BE CONTROVERSIES. THERE ARE GOING TO BE
PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND CERTAIN THINGS
WE DO OR SAY. AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T BE
PERFECT IN EVERYTHING WE DO AND SAY. CINDY: NO. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT
THE LIFE OF JESUS, THERE WAS
CONSTANT CONTROVERSY -- JONI: EXCEPT
HE WAS PERFECT. CINDY: --- OVER -- EXACTLY,
BUT THE THINGS HE EVEN DID IN PURENESS, PEOPLE
DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. JONI: BUT IT ALWAYS
REVEALED THE HEART. CINDY: YES. JONI: LIKE WE'RE GOING
THROUGH MATTHEW RIGHT NOW, ME AND MY HUSBAND, AND
THAT'S THE THING WE'LL POINT OUT IS THAT YOU CAN
ALWAYS SEE THE HEART WHEN JESUS WOULD HEAL PEOPLE,
HOW SOME WOULD RESPOND AND HOW OTHERS WOULD RESPOND,
AND YOU'RE LIKE, THE MAN IS HEALED, HOW COULD YOU
NOT BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT? CINDY: EXACTLY. JONI: ANYWAY,
ALL RIGHT. WELL, HE IS THE SENIOR PASTOR
OF TRANSFORMATION CHURCH IN TULSA, OKLAHOMA. PLEASE WELCOME OUR DEAR
FRIEND, PASTOR MIKE TODD. ♪♪♪♪♪ MIKE TODD: WHAT'S
GOING ON, LADIES? JONI: OKAY,
AND REVIVING. ALL: WHOO-HOO. REBECCA: CALM DOWN. MIKE: I HAD TO
GET MY FRIEND, JONI, I WANTED TO
MATCH YOU TODAY. JONI: YES, YOU DID. MIKE: WE'RE
TWINNING TODAY. JONI: WE ARE
TWINNING TODAY. REBECCA: TWINNING. JONI: I JUST APPRECIATE
YOU BEING HERE.
I APPRECIATE YOU TRUSTING
ME AND THE DAYSTAR PLATFORM TO TALK
ABOUT CONTROVERSY. MIKE: YEAH. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS
PLACE HAS BEEN A SAFE HAVEN, A HOME
AWAY FROM HOME. YOU ALREADY KNOW. ME, AND I'M YOUR BLACK SON
BECAUSE ME AND YOUR DAUGHTER -- JONI: I KNOW, THIS IS
YOUR SISTER OVER HERE. MIKE: THAT'S MY SISTER
FROM ANOTHER MISTER. [ LAUGHING ] MIKE: AND I AM GRATEFUL TO HAVE
A CONVERSATION IN CONTEXT. A LOT OF TIMES,
WHEN PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN
THIS DAY AND AGE, START TO HAVE OPINIONS
ABOUT THINGS, THEIR CONVERSATIONS AND
CLIPS OUT OF THE CONTEXT. AND SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO
GET INTO ALL OF IT TODAY. JONI: WE'RE GOING
TO GET INTO IT. I'M GOING TO JUST LAY IT
ALL OUT ON THE TABLE. MIKE: COME ON,
LET'S PUT IT ALL OUT. HEY, LISTEN, I'M DAMAGED,
BUT I'M NOT DESTROYED. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE
HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS. JONI: THAT'S RIGHT,
FOR SURE, FOR SURE. WELL, MANY OF YOU KNOW MIKE FROM
HIS VIRAL MESSAGE ON MARRIAGE CALLED
"RELATIONSHIP GOALS". BUT RECENTLY, HE HAS
EXPERIENCED SOME OUTRAGE DUE TO SOME CONTROVERSY. SO ARE THESE
SERIOUS CONCERNS OR IS LACK OF CONTEXT LEADING TO
A MISPLACED VITRIOL? TAKE A LOOK. ♪♪♪♪♪ MIKE TODD: I'VE BEEN LAYING IN
THE CUT FOR LIKE THREE DAYS. MALE NARRATOR: IN A TIME
WHERE MANY ARE SEARCHING FOR
HOPE AND TRUTH, CAN A CHURCH GO TOO FAR
IN DISPLAYING GOD'S LOVE? >> MIKE TODD HAS BEEN
UNDER A LOT OF CRITICISM BECAUSE OF HIS
EASTER SERVICE PLAY. >> I HAVE A BOOTY, YAY! [ CHEERING ] [ COUGHS ] MALE NARRATOR: CAN OUTRAGE BE
SIMPLY DUE TO MISUNDERSTANDING? MIKE: GOD DECIDED
MALE AND FEMALE. NO, HONESTLY, I WISH GOD WOULD
HAVE MADE IT SO MUCH SIMPLER AND IT WAS
LIKE A, B, C, OR D. [ APPLAUSE ] MIKE: TRANS IS IN THE
TITLE, SO INFORMATION, YOU CAN BE HERE. MALE NARRATOR: IS THIS JUSTIFIED
OFFENSE OR LACK OF CONTEXT? [ APPLAUSE ] ♪♪♪♪♪ JONI LAMB: NOW, I
DO HAVE TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE WE ADVERTISED
THAT YOU WERE COMING, AND I GOT AN ONSLAUGHT
OF PEOPLE SENDING ME THESE CILPS LIKE,
DO YOU KNOW, THIS? AND SO I JUST THOUGHT,
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'VE BEEN
HERE MANY TIMES, AND WE LOVE YOUR HEART. I KNOW YOU LOVE PEOPLE. AND YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO
COME TO TRANSFORMATION CHURCH. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU
BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD. MIKE TODD: YEAH. JONI: AND THAT YOU
BELIEVE ALL OF IT. MIKE: YEAH. JONI: AND SO YOU DON'T
JUST TAKE BITS AND PIECES, YOU KNOW HOW
IMPORTANT IT IS. SO LET'S JUST
DIVE RIGHT IN. MIKE: COME ON, LET'S GO
ALL THE WAY IN, DEEP END. STRAIGHT TO THE
DEEP END, LET'S GO. JONI: LET'S TALK ABOUT
WHAT JESUS DID IN THE BIBLE. AND YOU DID THAT
IN A SERMON. AND I MEAN, COULD YOU IMAGINE
THE BACKLASH YOU'D GET FROM THAT? MIKE: I DID NOT KNOW
IT WAS GOING TO RUFFLE THAT MANY FEATHERS. RACHEL LAMB BROWN: I
DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS ONE, JUST TO BE HONEST. MIKE: WELL, THE
TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, THERE ARE THREE TIMES THAT JESUS
USES SPIT TO HEAL SOMEBODY, AND SOMEBODY IS
BEING SHOCKED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S LIKE,
UH-HUH, IT'S JUST ONE. THERE'S THREE
TIMES IN THE BIBLE. ONE OF THEM HE'S PUTTING
MUD, SPIT AND MUD. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, HE DOES
IT STRAIGHT ONTO THIS MAN'S EYE. AND SO WHAT I WAS TRYING
TO DO WITH TIM MARK, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP -- JONI: WAS THIS
YOUR BROTHER? MIKE: THIS IS MY
BLOOD LITTLE BROTHER. JONI: AND SO HE KNEW
YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT. MIKE: THIS IS THE
THIRD TIME I'VE DONE IT. WE HAD DONE IT AT OTHER
CHURCHES, WE'D DONE IT, IT'S THE THIRD TIME. BUT IT DID SHOW ME HOW BIG
OUR PLATFORM HAD GOTTEN AND THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE
THERE THAT WERE NOT THERE THAT KNEW THE
INTENT OF IT, THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE
THERE WATCHING TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD MAKE
INTO SOMETHING. AND SO WHAT ENDED
UP HAPPENING, I WAS TRYING TO DEPICT
THAT THIS MAN WAS BLIND. HE WAS NOT DEAF. SO SOMEBODY ABOUT TO HOCK
A LOOGIE AND PUT IT ON YOU, YOU CAN HEAR THAT. AND THAT MAN DECIDED, BECAUSE
HIS INFIRMITY WAS SO JACKED UP, THAT HE WAS GOING TO STAY,
EVEN IF IT WAS MESSY. AND I WAS TRYING TO
DEPICT TO SOMEBODY, WOULD YOU STAY AND GO
THROUGH A PROCESS, EVEN IF IT WAS MESSY,
TO GET YOUR HEALING? WOULD YOU GO TO COUNSELING
WITH YOUR HUSBAND, EVEN THOUGH
IT'S GOING TO BE MESSY, TO GET YOUR HEALING? WOULD YOU APOLOGIZE TO
THAT BABY DADDY OR THAT CHILD OR THAT THING? WOULD YOU DOWNSIZE
YOUR HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S
GOING TO BE MESSY? WOULD YOU DO THAT
FOR THE HEALING? AND THIS MAN STAYED
IN A MESSY SITUATION SO THAT HE CAN
REGAIN HIS SIGHT. AND MANY TIMES, WE DON'T. AND IT WORKED. IT WORKED A LITTLE TOO
WELL, THIS EXAMPLE. [ LAUGHING ] MIKE: AND IT WAS ONE OF
THOSE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE MISSED THE MESSAGE
BECAUSE OF THE MOMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT GRIEVED
MY HEART THE MOST BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE ARE
ALL IN THAT PLACE. BUT I UNDERSTAND. I WATCHED IT BACK. THAT WAS NASTY. LIKE IT WAS DISGUSTING. THAT WAS THE POINT. RACHEL: BUT THE THING I LOVE
ABOUT YOU IS AFTER THIS BLEW UP, AND IT
LIKE HARDCORE BLEW UP, LIKE YOU CAME ON AND
YOU ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND YOU APOLOGIZED AND YOU WERE
HUMBLE AND YOU HUMBLED YOURSELF AND YOU
ADDRESSED IT. JONI: YOU JUST APOLOGIZED FOR
PEOPLE THAT WERE OFFENDED, YOU DIDN'T
APOLOGIZE FOR THE MESSAGE. MIKE: I DON'T THINK
WHAT I DID WAS WRONG, I THINK THAT IF I COULD
GO BACK AND SEE THAT IT DISTRACTED FROM
THE MESSAGE, BECAUSE IT IS
WHAT JESUS DID. I WANT EVERYBODY
TO REALIZE, I DID NOT DO SOMETHING
JESUS DIDN'T DO. THIS IS THE JESUS WE
WEAR ON THE CROSS, THIS IS THE JESUS WE
WORSHIP EVERY DAY, THIS IS THE JESUS. WHICH LETS ME KNOW THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE WOULD HAVE HATED JESUS IF HE
WAS HERE TODAY. JONI: WELL, A LOT OF
PEOPLE DID HATE HIM. MIKE: IF HE ACTUALLY
WAS DOING THE THINGS THAT HE DID BACK IN THE BIBLE,
WE READ IT LIKE IT'S A HARRY POTTER FAIRY
TALE MARVEL THING. THIS WAS REAL LIFE. AND FOR ME, I'VE BEEN IN
CHURCH MY WHOLE LIFE, AND SO MANY TIMES, CHURCH
WAS ABOUT THE PASTOR IMPRESSING US WITH HIS
KNOWLEDGE OR WAS JUST BORING. AND THERE'S A GENERATION OUT
HERE THAT IS BEING BOMBARDED EVERY DAY WITH SOUND,
SIGHT, AND EXCELLENCE. AND I'M A CREATIVE PERSON
AND I WANT TO BRING THAT TO BRING IN
THE WORD OF LIFE, BRINGING THE
WORD OF GOD TO LIFE. AND SO I LEARNED
SOMETHING FROM THAT. IT WAS A GREAT
LEARNING EXPERIENCE. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT
I WAS LIKE I NEED TO STOP DOING WHAT GOD'S CREATED
ME TO DO, IT WAS LIKE, I'M 36 YEARS OLD, I'VE
BEEN GIVEN A LOT OF INFLUENCE, AND, GOD, I
CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT YOU. I'M BACK ON MY KNEES. GOD, SHOW ME. GIVE ME WISDOM. AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT
I'VE LEARNED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT EXPERIENCE. RACHEL: AND I THINK GOD
JUST HAS RISEN YOU UP AND YOU'RE SUCH A VOICE
IN THIS GENERATION. I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE
LOOKING FOR ANYTHING. JONI: WELL, ESPECIALLY,
IF YOU'VE BEEN -- PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I WANT
TO DO WHAT YOU DO. WELL, YOU REALLY
WANT TO DO WHAT I DO? MIKE: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE
BACK SIDE OF THE BLESSING. [ LAUGHING ] JONI: BECAUSE THERE'S
A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING
TO BE JUDGING, SO I WANT TO MOVE
ON TO, DEHAVILLAND, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THE EASTER PRODUCTION. YOU HEARD ABOUT
THAT, AS WELL. DEHAVILLAND FORD: YEAH.
LIKE WHAT WAS YOUR HEART
IN THE EASTER PRODUCTION, AND HOW DO YOU SEE WHERE PEOPLE
MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU
WERE TRYING TO DO IN TERMS OF HOW
THE PRODUCTION WENT FORWARD? MIKE: YEAH. SO ONE OF THE GREATEST
THINGS ABOUT THIS, AND I LOVE THIS QUESTION
BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS AGED THE PRODUCTION
SEVEN YEARS. REBECCA LAMB WEISS:
THE SAME ONE? MIKE: THE SAME ONE. FOR SEVEN YEARS. CINDY MURDOCK: WOW. REBECCA: OH. MIKE: YEAH, YEAH. THIS WASN'T
THE FIRST TIME. THIS WAS THE SEVENTH TIME. AND SO IT WAS ONE OF THOSE
THINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER FROM THIS EASTER PRODUCTION
ALONE OVER THE SEVEN YEARS. WE'VE SEEN OVER 25,000 PEOPLE
GIVE THEIR LIFE TO CHRIST. CINDY: THANK YOU,
LORD, YES. MIKE: THIS IS THE POINT
THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE CELEBRATING. BUT WHAT WE DID IS WHAT MOST
PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO -- LET ME
JUST BE VERY CLEAR. OUR VISION IS VERY DISTINCT AT
TRANSFORMATION CHURCH TO REPRESENT GOD TO
THE LOST PEOPLE AND FOUND PEOPLE FOR TRANSFORMATION
IN CHRIST. SO WHEN IT
COMES TO EASTER, ALL THE STATISTICS TELL US
THAT THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR WHERE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT
ANYTHING TO DO WITH GOD, THEY ARE AT LEAST
LEANING IN AND SAYING, WHAT Y'ALL GOT
TO TELL ME ABOUT GOD? AND SO ON EASTER AT
TRANSFORMATION CHURCH, WE DON'T GO AFTER
FOUND PEOPLE. IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU
DRESSING UP IN YOUR EASTER BEST AND COMING TO OUR CHURCH AND
HOPEFULLY YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT CHECKING
THAT RELIGIOUS BOX OFF. I WANT YOUR NEPHEW
WHO HATES GOD, WHO SMOKES WEED EVERY DAY,
WHO CAN'T STAND CHURCH STUFF, AND THE ONLY REASON
HE CAME WAS TO MAKE YOU HAPPY AND GO TO DINNER. I WANT HIM TO HAVE AN
ENCOUNTER WITH GOD. CINDY: YES, YES. MIKE: AND SO WHAT WE
DID IS WE TOOK MUSIC THAT IS POPULAR IN CULTURE AND
WE CHANGED ALL THE WORDS TO TELL THE STORY
OF CREATION. AND SO LITERALLY,
AS WE'RE DOING THIS, TELLING THE STORY
OF THE BIBLE, TELLING WHAT HAPPENED,
TELLING HOW JESUS WENT DOWN AND DEFEATED
DEATH, HELL, AND THE GRAVE USING CURRENT
CULTURAL REAL-LIFE SITUATIONS THAT PEOPLE
ARE GOING THROUGH, LIKE WE USED ALL OF THAT,
AND IT WAS DONE REALLY WELL. LIKE IT WAS LIKE, IT
WAS LIKE TV-LEVEL. CINDY: IT WAS
A PRODUCTION. MIKE: IT WAS A FULL PRODUCTION,
FIRE AND EVERYTHING. AND I THINK IT HADN'T
BEEN SEEN IN CHURCH YET. I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAD
BEEN DONE ON A SUNDAY MORNING. AND I THINK THAT IT
OFFENDED PEOPLE'S TRADITION. AND I WOULD SAY TO YOU
THAT THIS IS A SEASON WHERE IF WE'RE GOING TO
REACH A GENERATION THAT WANTS NOTHING
TO DO WITH GOD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
EVALUATE SOME OF OUR TRADITIONS AND SEE
WHAT IS SACRED, AND WHAT IS SACRED IS, WE
TOLD THE STORY OF JESUS, HIS RESURRECTION, AND THAT
HE WILL BRING PEOPLE INTO HIM, AND WE SAW ALMOST A THOUSAND
PEOPLE SAVED ON EASTER. JONI: THAT'S AWESOME. THERE WAS ONE PARTICULAR
SCENE THAT I KEPT SEEING REPEATED AND REPEATED OVER
THAT CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE THIS
UP ON THE STAGE. AND WHAT WAS GOING
ON IN THAT SCENE? YOU WERE REPRESENTING WHAT
TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE -- MIKE: I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE
WHAT SCENE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. REBECCA: I THINK THE ONE
TALKING ABOUT THEIR BUTT, RIGHT? MIKE: WHO DON'T
HAVE A BUTT. FIRST OFF, AND
LET ME JUST. JONI: DID YOU REALLY
JUST USE THAT WORD? [ LAUGHING ] MIKE: LET ME BE VERY
CLEAR LIKE THIS IS WHY THE CHURCH IS NOT REACHING
THE NEXT GENERATION. PEOPLE WEAR LEGGINGS
EVERY DAY TO WORK OUT, TO GO TO WORK,
TO DO THIS STUFF. AND THEY'RE WEARING
IT AT CHURCH. THEY'RE ON THE WORSHIP
TEAMS WEARING IT. LIKE, LET'S BE HONEST. WE WERE DEPICTING A SCENE OF
HELL AND WE WERE DEPICTING LUST. PERVERSION. THERE WERE THREE YOUNG LADIES
THAT WE WERE PREDICTING OR SHOWING
WHAT THEY DOES TO US. AND IT WASN'T ANYTHING
THAT WAS CRAZY. I COULD TURN ON DISNEY CHANNEL
RIGHT NOW AND SEE WORSE THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND WHAT MY HEART IS, IS
MORE GRIEVED ABOUT HOW PEOPLE WILL TAKE A CLIP
OUT OF CONTEXT WHO CLAIM JESUS. AND THEN THEY WILL
DISMANTLE AND RIP UP SOMEBODY WHO'S A SOLDIER
ON YOUR SAME TEAM. I AM OPEN TO CORRECTION. I AM OPEN TO DOING
THINGS DIFFERENTLY. I AM OPEN. LOOK BACK AT THE CLIP
AND BE LIKE, OKAY. RACHEL: SO THAT'S
WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. MIKE: WE COULD HAVE
MADE IT G INSTEAD OF PG. LIKE IF I MADE THIS A PLAY
OR IT WAS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAME TO, NOBODY
WOULD EVEN SAY ANYTHING. BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS,
IT WAS SUNDAY MORNING, IT WAS AT A CHURCH, IT
WAS AT MY CHURCH, AND, LIKE YOU SAID, PEOPLE
WERE LOOKING FOR, YEAH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD DO
DIFFERENTLY ON SUNDAY MORNING TO SHOW THEM,
BUT NOT TOO MUCH. AND I WANT TO
MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE THE
TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WHAT THE HEART OF
WHAT IS BEING DONE IS, WE'RE DEPICTING
REAL LIFE. CINDY: AND PEOPLE
ARE IN DENIAL THAT THOSE THINGS
ARE AFFECTING THEM. RACHEL: WERE YOU
SHOCKED AT THE RESPONSE? MIKE:
I WAS COMPLETELY FLOORED. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN PEOPLE
IN CHURCH POST WORST STUFF ON THEIR INSTAGRAM. AND STILL I'M
LIKE, HOLD ON. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE
TELLING THE STORY OF JESUS. WE'RE LEADING
PEOPLE TO THE CROSS. AND A THOUSAND PEOPLE
JUST GOT SAVED. AND THIS IS THE THING
THAT WE WANT TO -- AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO
TEAR ME DOWN? PEOPLE TOLD ME THAT I
SHOULDN'T BE A FATHER. THAT I SHOULD NO LONGER,
I MEAN, PEOPLE WOULD -- CINDY: SOUNDS LIKE
PHARISEES AND SADDUCEES TO ME. MIKE: KIND OF
DOES TO ME, TOO. CINDY: YES. MIKE: BUT AGAIN -- JONI: I KNOW SOME
OF THOSE THINGS. I KNOW SOME OF
THE SAME PEOPLE. REBECCA: YEAH, AND
THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK AND WORK ON THEMSELVES. MIKE: BUT THE TRUTH
OF THE MATTER IS, I HAVE NO CONTROL
OVER THAT. ALL I CAN DO IS WORK
AND LOOK AT MYSELF. AND SO IN THIS
SEASON, IN THIS TIME, I WENT AND TOOK
ALL OF THAT TO THERAPY AND I TOOK ALL OF IT
TO THE WORD. AND THAT'S THE BEAUTIFUL
THING ABOUT LIVING OUT LOUD, IS I CAN TELL YOU
WHERE I FELL AS WELL AS I CAN TELL YOU THE
THINGS THAT I'VE DONE TO LEARN FROM WHAT GOD IS
DOING IN MY LIFE. THIS LIFE IS ABOUT
PROGRESSION, NOT PERFECTION. THIS IS ABOUT US MOVING
FORWARD AND GOING. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, I
TOLD RACHEL, I SAID, YEAH, LET'S COME ON JONI,
LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, LET'S -- BECAUSE SOMEBODY
OUT THERE NEEDS TO KNOW, HOW DO I MOVE PAST
THE DAMAGING MOMENT? HOW DO I TURN THE
TRAUMA INTO TRIUMPH? THAT'S PART OF
MY NEW BOOK, THAT'S PART OF
WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND I JUST WANT TO
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE LIKE IF YOU DO THE WORK AND YOU
HAVE GOOD COMMUNITY AROUND YOU AND YOU'RE OPEN, I
TELL THEM ALL THE TIME, WE'RE H.O.T.: HUMBLE,
OPEN, AND TRANSPARENT. I CALLED MENTORS AND PASTORS,
AND I WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT. TELL ME, HEY, SHOW
ME WHAT I DID WRONG. WHAT'S -- BECAUSE I'M
ALWAYS TEACHABLE. REBECCA: SEE, AND
THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE GOT TO BE. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE,
THEY ISOLATED THAT CLIP, AND THEY'RE JUST
USING YOUR INFLUENCE AND THEY WANT TO
ELEVATE THEMSELVES, AND SO THEY'RE, IT'S JUST
SO ANNOYING HOW SO MANY PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
ESPECIALLY YOUTUBE, JUST HAVE A WHOLE THING SOLELY
OUT OF CRITICIZING PEOPLE. WHEN YOU WENT TO THE WORD, WHAT
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU LEARNED? MIKE: OH, MY GOD. NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW
IF EVERYBODY'S READY FOR THIS. BUT THE TRUTH OF
THE MATTER IS, THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF
STORYTELLING JESUS DID. HE USED CURRENT
CULTURAL THINGS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE
WITH THE MASSES. PARABLES ARE THE ONLY THING YOU
HEAR HIM TELLING STORIES ABOUT. IF JESUS WAS ALIVE TODAY,
HE WOULD BE A MOVIE DIRECTOR. HE WOULD BE MAKING
NETFLIX DOCUMENTARIES. BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY TO THE
DISCIPLES THAT HE BROKE DOWN THE SCRIPTURES
AND DID THE THINGS. BUT FOR THE CROWDS, HE
WAS TELLING STORIES. ALL WE WERE TRYING
TO DO ON EASTER IS TELL THE
GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. THE STORY ABOUT JESUS, THE STORY
ABOUT HOW MAN LOST CONNECTION WITH THE KING
AND HOW JESUS HAD TO COME AS THE GREAT KNIGHT AND SAVE ALL
OF US AS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST. THAT'S ALL WE
WERE TRYING TO DO. AND MANY PEOPLE GOT IT. AND SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T. BUT I LEARNED THAT MY
CREATIVITY THAT GOD GAVE ME IS SOMETHING THAT IS
TO BE USED TO REACH MORE PEOPLE. AND THERE MAY BE
BETTER WAYS TO DO IT, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP LEARNING
THOSE WAYS AND MOVE FORWARD. JONI: I APPRECIATE YOUR
HEART AND YOUR ATTITUDE, AND I HOPE THAT HELPED
SOME OF YOU THAT QUESTIONED THIS TO
UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF THE STORY
BEHIND THE STORY BECAUSE I KNOW
THAT WAS YOUR HEART, TO SEE PEOPLE
THAT WOULD NEVER COME TO CHURCH EXCEPT ONCE A YEAR
THAT WOULD SEE SOMETHING, BE INFLUENCED
IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THAT
DECISION TO RECEIVE CHRIST. I WANT TO GET TO
THE LAST ONE HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART BECAUSE WE LOVE EVERYONE. BUT I HAVE A LOT OF
INCREDIBLE SHOWS THAT I'VE DONE WITH ON IDENTITY, ON PEOPLE
WHO HAVE HAD ENCOUNTERS, DRAMATIC ENCOUNTERS,
WITH GOD, MALE AND FEMALE, THAT
MAYBE WERE IN A LIFESTYLE THAT WERE MAYBE DIDN'T
LINE UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD. AND I WOULD APPROACH IT
MORE OF TRUTH BUT LOVE. AND I WOULD SAY,
BEYOND THIS, GOD HAS GREAT
PURPOSE FOR YOU. AND THIS DOESN'T
DEFINE YOU. AND WHATEVER HAPPENED TO YOU TO
CAUSE YOU TO MAKE THIS DECISION, THIS ISN'T
GOD'S BEST FOR YOU. AND WE LOVE YOU. AND I'VE HAD
PEOPLE SAY TO ME, I REALLY DIDN'T
LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, I DIDN'T LIKE THE
TESTIMONIALS THAT YOU HAD ON, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I
KNEW THAT YOU LOVED ME AS YOU WERE TALKING TO ME,
AND THEN LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WAS THE
SEED THAT WAS PLANTED, AND GOD WOULD BRING ABOUT
HEALING AND DELIVERANCE IN THOSE AREAS. SO GENDER IDENTITY,
THAT'S A BIG THING. AND SO YOU WERE PREACHING
A MESSAGE ON THAT. AND THERE WAS SOME
MISUNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT
YOUR VIEW IS ON THAT. AND SO I KNOW THAT YOU
BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD. SO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THAT AND UNPACK IT FOR US. MIKE: SO THE
BEAUTIFUL THING IS, I WAS NOT PREACHING
A MESSAGE ON THAT. I WAS PREACHING A MESSAGE
ON SUBMITTING OUR OPINIONS TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE
MESSAGE WAS ABOUT. AND I WAS SAYING TO,
I LISTED ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, THAT'S
WHY CONTEXT IS SO IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE
LISTENING TO SOMETHING. JONI: YOU'VE GOT TO
WATCH THE WHOLE MESSAGE. MIKE: YOU'VE
GOT TO WATCH IT.
BUT WHAT I WAS SAYING IS,
I TALKED ABOUT MARRIAGE, I TALKED ABOUT
RELATIONSHIP, AND THEN I
TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING THE CHURCH REALLY
DOESN'T TALK ABOUT. THEY WILL NOT TOUCH THE
COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT IS USUALLY OUSTED OUT OF
THE CHURCH IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE WE CAN
SEE THEIR SIN. JONI: YEAH,
I TALK ABOUT IT. MIKE: OKAY, I
THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT MOST PASTORS DON'T, BECAUSE
WE DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYBODY AND THEY
DON'T WANT TO. AND SO I SAID, HEY, GUYS,
I CAN HAVE AN OPINION OVER HERE, BUT WHEN I COME INTO THE KINGDOM
OF GOD, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE BIBLE IS THE
FINAL AUTHORITY. WHAT THE WORD OF GOD SAYS. I SAID, HE DECIDED
MALE AND FEMALE. THAT MEANS OUR OPINION
ABOUT IT, DOES NOT MATTER. AND IF THAT MEANS THAT WE
ARE CONFUSED FOR A SECOND, GOD CAN DEAL WITH
YOUR CONFUSION. IF THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE
STRUGGLING TO FIGURE OUT YOUR IDENTITY, GOD
CAN DEAL WITH THAT. BUT I WAS TRYING TO
COMMUNICATE TO EVERYBODY, YEAH, LIKE THERE ARE TIMES
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I FEARED, JONI, IS IT HASN'T HIT A LOT OF
CHRISTIANS' ACTUAL COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THEY LOVE, SO THEY DON'T
CARE ABOUT IT. I HAVE A SPECIAL
NEEDS SON. WHEN SPECIAL NEEDS
HIT MY HOUSE, THERE'S A DIFFERENT
LEVEL OF CARE ABOUT IT. CINDY: YES, THERE IS. MIKE: BEING IF YOU
DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. PEOPLE THAT I LOVE, PEOPLE
THAT I'VE PRAYED FOR, PEOPLE THAT I'VE STRUGGLED
AND ASKED GOD FOR, ARE DEALING WITH
THIS EVERY DAY. AND SO THE WAY I
APPROACH IT IS IN LOVE. I'M THERE IN THE AUDIENCE,
THEY'RE LOOKING AT ME AS I'M PREACHING THIS, LIKE
THERE ARE PEOPLE RIGHT THERE THAT ARE FULL-BLOWN
IN ANOTHER ALTERNATE LIFESTYLE, AND
I'M SAYING, HEY, I WISH IT COULD
BE DIFFERENT. I WISH PEOPLE WOULD HAVE
A, B, C, AND D OPTIONS. BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER. THIS IS WHAT
THE WORD OF GOD SAYS. SO WE'RE GOING
TO HELP YOU. WE'RE GOING TO
STAND WITH YOU. AND I WAS TRYING TO MAKE
PEOPLE FEEL THAT THERE WAS A PLACE FOR THEM
IN GOD'S HOUSE. HOW CAN YOU TELL PEOPLE THIS IS
THE HOSPITAL FOR THE SICK, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN PEOPLE
WHO CAN'T COME IN? RACHEL: AND SEE,
A LOT OF PEOPLE,
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY
PEOPLE SENT ME THE TRANS IN THE NAME
CLIP, BUT REALLY, DO WE HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THAT, JUST BECAUSE AREN'T TRANS,
PEOPLE THAT ARE TRANSGENDER, AREN'T THEY WELCOME AT CHURCH
ON A SUNDAY MORNING? MIKE: THE TRUTH OF
THE MATTER, RACHEL, IS IN MOST CHURCHES,
THEY'RE NOT WELCOME. RACHEL: BUT
THEY SHOULD BE. MIKE: NO, NO. BUT THIS IS, I THINK THAT
COMMENT EXPOSED THE CHURCH MORE THAN IT EXPOSED
ANYTHING ELSE. IT LITERALLY, I WAS
TRYING TO TELL THEM, TRANS IS IN THE NAME,
TRANSFORMATION CHURCH. YOU'RE WELCOME HERE. WE SAY IT, ALL
PEOPLE ARE WELCOME. BUT WE DON'T
ACTUALLY MEAN IT. AND I WAS BEING CHEEKY. I WAS BEING USING MY CHARISMA
AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SOMEBODY TOOK THAT CLIP,
DIDN'T LISTEN TO ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS
THAT WE SAID ABOUT, IT'S WHAT GOD'S WORD IS
THE FINAL AUTHORITY. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TELL
PEOPLE IS GOD WILL ACCEPT YOU WHERE YOU ARE, BUT
HE LOVES YOU TOO MUCH TO LEAVE YOU THE SAME. BUT IF YOU SEND HIM AWAY,
HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE
TRANSFORMED IN CHRIST? AND MY HEART AND MY MISSION IS
TO ALLOW GOD TO DO THE WORK. AND FOR US TO JUST BE THE
VESSELS TO LOVE PEOPLE. AND I THINK THE SADDEST
THING OF THE WHOLE THING IS, THIS WAS A BAD SIGN
FOR US AS THE CHURCH AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE
THE BIBLE SAYS, THEY WILL KNOW YOUR MIND BECAUSE
OF YOUR LOVE FOR EACH OTHER. AND I HAD PEOPLE WHO
ARE FAR FROM GOD, LIKE, WHY ARE YOUR OWN PEOPLE
ROASTING YOU LIKE THIS? WHY ARE PASTORS DOING
MESSAGES ABOUT YOU? AND THESE ARE
PEOPLE FAR FROM GOD. BUT THEY WERE LIKE, IS
THIS WHAT THE CHURCH IS ABOUT? AND I HAD TO BE LIKE,
NO, WE'RE NOT LIKE THAT. WE LOVE EACH OTHER. AND I'M, PEOPLE I'VE
BEEN WITNESSING TO IN MOUNTAINS OF INFLUENCE AND
SPHERES OF INFLUENCE, THEY'RE WATCHING LIKE, THAT'S
JACKED UP HOW THE PEOPLE WHO -- AND I WAS LIKE, NO. I THINK THIS IS HAPPENING
TO SHOW US WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE, BUT
I THINK THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS
AND BECOME BETTER. JONI: YEAH. IN FACT, I WOULD LIKE YOU
TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND NOT ONLY SPEAK TO EVERY
PEOPLE GROUP THAT'S WATCHING, BECAUSE WE LOVE
ALL OF YOU VERY MUCH, BUT AGAIN, WE LOVE YOU ENOUGH TO
SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE, BECAUSE WE KNOW
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, WHATEVER YOU'RE
GOING THROUGH, WHATEVER CONFUSION
YOU HAVE, THAT GOD WANTS TO HEAL YOU
COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY, NO MATTER WHAT
YOU'VE DONE, NO MATTER WHAT
OPERATIONS YOU HAD, NO MATTER WHAT
SURGERY YOU'VE HAD, NO MATTER WHAT
HORMONES YOU'VE TAKEN, NO MATTER WHO YOUR MOM AND
DAD IS, IT DOESN'T MATTER, GOD WANTS YOU TO COME
JUST LIKE YOU ARE. WOULD YOU SPEAK TO
THOSE PEOPLE, MIKE, AND ALSO LEAD US IN A PRAYER
BEFORE WE LEAVE THE AIR TODAY? MIKE: THE FIRST THING I WANT TO
LET YOU KNOW IS I LOVE YOU. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
AROUND THIS WORLD WHO HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE GRACE
OF GOD TO THE POINT WHERE IT DOES NOT MATTER
WHERE YOU ARE. WE KNOW THAT OUR GOD CAN BRING
YOU TO A PLACE OF WHOLENESS, HEALING,
AND FULFILLMENT. LET ME TELL ON MYSELF, I WAS
ADDICTED TO PORNOGRAPHY, LIAR, MANIPULATOR. I'M NOT COMPARING
ANYTHING TO ANYBODY. BUT WHEN GOD FOUND ME, HE
LOOKED BEYOND MY FAULTS AND HE SAW MY NEED. AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING
THIS RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE IN NEED OF A SAVIOR,
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, JESUS IS THE SAVIOR
THAT YOU NEED. HE WILL LOOK AT YOU WITH
COMPASSION, WITH LOVE, WITH ALL OF THE
REGRET, THE MISTAKES, AND EVEN WHEN YOU'RE BOLD
AND YOU THINK YOU'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING
AND YOU'RE WHO YOU ARE AND YOU'RE IN YOUR IDENTITY,
HE STILL LOVES YOU LIKE THAT. HE CALLS YOU CHILD,
SON, DAUGHTER. AND NOW HE WANTS TO HAVE
A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU. GOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT
IF YOU GIVE HIM YOUR HEART, HE'LL HELP YOU
CHANGE YOUR HABITS. AND TODAY, I WANT TO OFFER
YOU THE THING THAT CHANGED ME. THE THING THAT CHANGED EVERY
WOMAN THAT'S AT THIS TABLE, THE THING THAT IS SO BETTER THAN
ANY HUMAN EXPERIENCE. IT'S THE LOVE OF GOD. THE LOVE OF GOD CAN
TRANSFORM YOUR LIFE COMPLETELY. SO TODAY, IF YOU'RE READY
TO MAKE A DECISION FOR JESUS, IF YOU WANT YOUR
LIFE TO BE LAID BY SOMEBODY WHO MADE IT,
TODAY I WANT TO OFFER YOU A RELATIONSHIP
WITH JESUS CHRIST. I NEED YOU TO HEAR ME. TODAY IS THE DAY
OF SALVATION. NOT TOMORROW,
NOT NEXT WEEK. RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE YOU MAY
FEEL DAMAGED, BUT I PROMISE YOU,
I'M A LIVING WITNESS, YOU ARE NOT DESTROYED. THERE IS VALUE
STILL IN YOU, AND GOD IS NOT
DONE WITH YOU YET. JONI: AMEN. LEAD US IN A
PRAYER, PASTOR. MIKE: LET'S PRAY
THIS PRAYER TOGETHER. SAY, FATHER, TODAY
I GIVE YOU MY LIFE, ALL MY DAMAGE, ALL MY
TRAUMA, ALL MY MISTAKES, AND I COME TO
YOU AS MY SAVIOR. CHANGE ME. RENEW ME. TRANSFORM ME. I'M YOURS FOR ETERNITY. IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. ALL: AMEN. JONI: AND AMEN. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I KNOW
THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED TODAY, AND I KNOW THAT
YOU'VE BEEN BLESSED BY MIKE'S AUTHENTICITY AND
HIS VULNERABILITY IN SHARING. AND I JUST WANT
TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE TODAY. MIKE: THANK YOU
FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THERE ARE NOT MANY PLACES TODAY
IN MEDIA THAT WILL BE FAIR, AND I JUST THANK
GOD THAT THIS STATION AS WELL AS YOU AS PEOPLE ARE
OPEN TO US BEING THE BODY OF CHRIST AND NOT JUST FAILING
FORWARD BUT MOVING FORWARD. JONI: YES, AMEN. MIKE: AND I
FEEL SO GRATEFUL. I LOVE Y'ALL. JONI: WE LOVE YOU TOO. WE LOVE YOU TOO. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER
THAT IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T LET OUR
PERSONAL OFFENSES BECOME A TOOL FOR DIVISION
IN THE CHURCH. ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU
UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT BEFORE DRAWING A
CONCLUSION AND JUDGING. AND NO MATTER HOW YOU FEEL
ABOUT THE CONTROVERSY, MAKE SURE YOU KEEP CHRIST AT
THE CENTER OF YOUR CONVICTIONS. IF YOU'RE WATCHING TODAY
AND MAYBE YOU'VE LET OFFENSE STEAL YOUR PEACE
CONCERNING SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THAT
SOMEBODY SAID, I WANT YOU TO CALL THAT
TOLL-FREE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. WE WOULD LOVE TO
PRAY WITH YOU. AND IF YOU PRAYED
THAT SINNER'S PRAYER, I WANT YOU TO CALL
AND LET US KNOW. I WOULD LOVE TO SEND YOU
A FREE BOOK ENTITLEDNOW WHAT? AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT
WHAT GOD HAS FOR YOU. I DO WANT TO THANK MIKE
FOR JOINING US AND SHARING HIS HEART WITH US. FOR MORE, YOU CAN VISIT
HIM ONLINE AT IAMMIKETODD. BE SURE TO FOLLOW US ON
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FOR MORE GREAT CONTENT. AND LET US KNOW IF YOU FOUND
TODAY'S TABLE TALK HELPFUL. WE ALWAYS LOVE HEARING
HOW GOD IS MOVING IN YOUR LIFE. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. THANK YOU, PASTOR MIKE. WE LOVE YOU. WE HONOR YOU. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I
BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT YOUR HEART IS FOR
THE BODY OF CHRIST, FOR THOSE THAT ARE LOST,
FOR THOSE THAT ARE HURTING, AND I JUST BELIEVE
YOUR BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD, AND WE'RE GOING
TO BE CHEERING YOU ON. THANK YOU, LADIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR WATCHING TODAY. I LOVE YOU. GOD BLESS YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME. BYE-BYE FOR TODAY. ♪♪♪♪♪
