Leno and Osborne Have a Debate About the 928!

welcome to the audrain museum Network here on YouTube if you like these videos and we know you do because they've been millions of views be sure to subscribe and also of course hit the Bell icon to be notified when we put up great new content [Music] welcome back to our exhibition collecting moving forward young timer Classics here at the audrain automobile museum and we're looking more closely at some of the vehicles in the exhibition and joining me today for this view is our friend Jay how I am today you know this is a really important thing you know young timer Classics is something that really speaks to us because as we've had many conversations collecting always does evolve right the cars that we were interested in when we first started getting into collecting were cars that are 10 to 15 years old and today these are the cars from the 80s 90s and 2000s and uh this particular car is one which I have always been fascinating by the Porsche 928 this is a 1993 uh GTS model one of the last models made and me being GT man and sedan man right this is my kind of car it's interesting but not enough to get you to buy one and that's the problem like this is a car I could have afforded when it came out and I looked I remember looking at the eb-110 Bugatti at the time I remember getting in and being unimpressed with the dashboard was basically literally a piece of wood with gauges set in it seemed sort of amateur it didn't didn't have that feel but it was speaking to the to the feeling of the time of the the minimum no but the Bugatti's built in a period I mean and plus it was very cramped and I went and this uh at the time it's a time when it came out I thought it was maybe too much luxury not enough sport but I might have been wrong you were absolutely not wrong I think that the Porsche engineers and designers did exactly what they set out to do which is to make a Porsche Grand tourer they'd never done one before well this has the same problem the SLR Mercedes had when it came out the car you should have is not the one you want to me Aston Martin always answers the question for a lot of people because it's extremely luxurious but it's a real sports car but it's it's it's got more Grand Touring than it's some of the hardcore Porsches top of the line 911s are just a little too uncomfortable and noisy for the street yeah and any car in my life is going ow my hair This Is Not An Almighty haircut but when you look at this you say well should I get a Mercedes high performance sedan for essentially the same money and a real back seat because this really has no back seat well this this answers the same question that Ferrari asked with the 400 365 two plus two and then the 400 and the 412. the idea that people wanted their custom bases maturing right you know businessmen weren't getting any thinner in the 1970s um and so why not have Porsche of Ferrari performance in a more profitable manageable package the idea that this would replace the 911 was a strange idea in 1978 right and also uh see the 400 Falls below I would rather have this than a 400 why because it seems more of a sports car to me you mean to me during that period Ferrari is building cars as an afterthought to keep racing going so they didn't seem as committed to the well let's build a sedan and put it out there maybe some of our customers will buy I'm sure it was fine but it wasn't fine-tuned for the market you know Porsche has the same problem Harley-Davidson has it's Heritage people want Holly was so afraid ever to change look new hand grips for 98 you know that they never really made any because nobody wanted the one that that potato kind of sound of a Harley you hit the nail right on the head Jay because marks that have very loyal followings right I mean you remember what happened when they introduced the 911 yeah people who loved Porsche who knew the 356 that what the heck is this right it's not my 356 that I love that that won all the races in the 1950s this car was bigger it doesn't look the same it's just not their thing and so again the transitions from the 911 to this was also sort of well more recently the C8 Corvette I read thousands not thousands but tons of comments it doesn't have round tail lights I will never buy one it's not a Corvette without without the Corvette round tail light which has had since the first day you know and okay these were not I don't know why I remember when the GTS this version came out and it suddenly went to 5.4 liter and had four valves who then I got kind of interested but you know we always want something that's better than what we're actually capable of doing and I realized this probably would have been better suited but it's not really a four-seater car so why put the back seat in it yeah although the interesting thing of course you recall that every 9 11. except for some very special variants or two plus twos right they have those little back seats but that's for insurance reasons and exactly and you can carry four people in a 928 for a short distance you're not gonna drive across the country this is the new Coke problem you make Coca-Cola it's the finest soft drink it's delicious now we have something better hey hey wait a minute you told me the other one was the epitome and that I mean this is such a radical departure you know you can't make overnight changes to honor I mean the Chrysler airflow the 1933 Chrysler oh my God what a magnificent statuesque on a a proper grill with an ornament on it and the freeze to the headlights and it looked fantastic and then all of a sudden this streamline thing came out which is absolutely wonderful I mean but completely different yeah engine in the back is best we think it's best okay forget what we said last year now we have the engine in the front that air cooling who cares this is water cool it was it really wasn't it was a Porsche quote in name only when it came out even though it was I mean I'm just making the argument at the time it was so radically different that and it it was really like spinning in the eye of all the 911 owners and this is the point that I think is all those things you mentioned are the reasons why it's become such a sought after collectible now because people are understanding and accepting the dynamic qualities of the 928 for what it is it's not a 911. that's precisely why you buy this it's Porsche's vision of a car like this which is very unfortunately and it was fast but not fast enough it was powerful but not powerful enough this makes a better classic than it did a better new car for example the Lamborghini Miura was not a very good sports car when it came out it was I mean it was fast in a straight line but it was unstable as a classic oh it's the most wonderful how to drive it because the engine's right here it's behind here you know it's a it's a fabulous car to drive swiftly it's a frightening car to drive fast which brings up a great point about how we use cars right because we're not going to use the maximum performance of a car like this today in a collected car setting and this is not a car you're going to take out for track days so um the fact that this car is here and and this example which is a very rare example in the US to see this and loaned To Us by a great member Victor Pedro um it's a terrific car that reminds you of a possibility and looks forward frankly to the fact that who knew back in 1978 when they introduced this car that Porsche would make four-door sedans like the Panamera and the taikon not to mention an SUV right so it's it's a car that really speaks to me one of the other things of course is very controversial about this car a much again like the Ferrari 400 was the fact that most of them were sold with automatics right and it was quite a famous thing I've talked about this a lot that the bridge magazine car the racing driver Derek Bell Road tested one of these with the automatic and he said he loved it and there were all sorts of letters written in how could you possibly love a car with an automatic what are you talking about right but there are certain cars that the automatic transmission actually suits the characteristics of the car itself better and I think it suits tonight right but like I say it's what you it's like most guys just ordered the large pizza because I'm not that hungry but what if a small one is really too small you always want to have an air on the side too much on your side that's right and most people do you know as you become more mature or horsepower isn't as important but I remember I passed on an NSX because 276 horsepower even a base Corvette had 350 it just seemed like I'm I'm paying for something that's a lot slow a horsepower Sells Cars torque wins races right but horsepower Sells Cars so the idea that oh the car vipers at 400 when that had 276. gee I'm going to get the Viper I I you know this obviously might have been a more sophisticated package a better handling but horsepower is is what sells you know so what do you think you said you didn't buy one of these when they were new but can you understand why people are looking at them now as a classic well we love Noble failures we like things that are weren't successful in their time or ahead of their time in their time when this was a car of the future unfortunately the future the future is very slowly Anonymous you can't the shock of the new is too great for most people the idea that you you've been told the rear engine is I mean that I used to see the T-shirt rear engine is best and well you know all that kind of stuff you go to rear engine is absolutely best air cooled is absolutely best except for these other cars which are going to sell you which have to be front end yeah but then you come along and you throw all of that out the window it's like what you know so yeah it was it was a shock it wasn't introduced slowly you know the 914 had the same problem what what you know uh but yeah I would love to have one today but not with an automatic it doesn't interest me well it'll be very interesting um to drive one of these automatic and stick back to back like uh like I've done here on the audrain network with the two Ferraris and uh that's a great video to take a look at you know it's interesting to me Audi let me borrow one of the v10s when they first came out with the Gated shifter it was the greatest gate it clicked clicked me it was like a rifle bolt like the had pulled it back Push It Forward lock it down it was it was so much fun to drive then I drove the automatic one and it just seemed like a car it was okay I mean it was nice but it didn't have that visceral I wasn't involved with it so to me Emanuel always I know it's slower I mean I bought a uh a Hellcat in 2015 the first year with a six-speed and a black six-speed 10 interior now it's a rare desirable car it's not as fast as the eight-speed manual uh automatic but it's just fun to drive I have a connection with the car you know this is I for the same money I would probably get the Mercedes AMG and then I have a real back seat and it's not quite it's a little more stealthy in q-ship than this would be in another uh video that we're going to shoot we're going to take a look at a more practical version of a high performance card that may answer some of those questions for you so stay tuned here on the Australian Museum Network to see what car might just satisfy Jay in this young timer Classics exhibition [Music] foreign [Music]

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Keywords: Audrain Museum, Audrain, Jay Leno, Donald Osborne, Leno, Osborne, Newport, Rhode island, cars, auto, automobile museum, automobile, porsche, ferrari, bentley, bugatti, vanderbilt, gilded age

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Length: 12min 51sec (771 seconds)

Published: Tue Oct 11 2022