Krystal and Saagar Interview Joe Rogan On Politics, The Art Of Podcasting & More

all right daddy joe yes um thank you so much for letting us turn the tables on you appreciate it we're here joe how are you nervous get ready oh no um so appropriate for our show we want to start by asking you like how do you think about your political philosophy and who do you consider to be some of the influences on how you think about those things my political philosophy is very mixed right it's like i i i like a lot of different people's ideas but ultimately all i really want is what's better for people you know i don't really have a vested interest in business i'm not looking to like protect assets or anything weird and i want people to have freedom so i in in all ways you know and i think that uh when i look at politics i look at like these utopian concepts about like what's possible and then i look at what's uh what we have going on right now and i i you know i wonder joe what are some of the formative political experiences of your life well i mean i remember the the first time i really got interested in politics was when ronald reagan couldn't remember whether or not he sold arms to iran iran contra yeah i was like 21 years old 20 21 years old and uh i remember thinking like what what is happening because i always thought of presidents as you know you have a leader and this leader is trying to do the best for the country and we all respect the office of the president and back then that was really the case like back then in the 1980s there was way less inflammatory rhetoric there was a lot of people that didn't like reagan but the level of i don't like reagan was never like the the level of i don't like trump right or now currently obama or biden rather is senile like there's a disrespect of biden that didn't exist back then and uh as a young man trying to figure out what was going on in the world um seeing that there's this guy who's clearly lying about selling weapons to someone who hates it there's a guy named jimmy tingle he's a hilarious comedian out of boston and he had a great bit about this that he would do in a heavy boston accent he goes mr president if you ever sell arms to people who hate us in the future jot it down put it on a post-it note stick it on your refrigerator do you know what jimmy taylor was like no i didn't know he was a great political uh comedian it was him and barry crimmons and uh jimmy credico there's a few of these guys that were like really politically aware comics barry crimins in particular who was really the head of the the like if there was a godfather of boston comedy it was barry crimmins because he was the most intelligent he was the most well read the most politically aware and he would be involved in a lot of like political demonstrations and all these different things and he was kind of the guy who kept the boston comedians honest he kept them from being hacks and he was just a very very politically aware guy yeah and jimmy tingle was aligned with him he was one of those guys as well who initially started out as just a regular comic and then became much more of a political comic and then ultimately became a guy i don't think he does really comedy shows as much as he does like one-man shows now but um tingles tingles bits about it made me think about it a lot and then watching you know the oliver north uh thing on television and and the contras in the nicaraguas and all that stuff and then eventually uh when i did the podcast later getting to interview rick ross the real rick ross not the rapper right the real rick ross who the rapper named himself after who was the guy who was selling coke in south central making millions and millions of dollars to fund right the contras right and he didn't know he had no idea what was going on he had no idea he thought he was just like so slick that he could stay operated he literally did not know that he was being that they were allowing him to do this and so when you pulled that thread like from that reagan moment was that like led to more skepticism of politicians led for you to think that they're all liars or it's corrupt or sort of like where did that thread lead well i think is you know when you're a 20 year old 21 year old person your brain's not really fully formed so you think a lot of like scrambled thoughts and i i think i was too busy with my own life to spend too much time thinking about politics but i was super aware that it's not what i thought it was which was like one of the themes of my life like as i got older more aware like oh everybody pretends that this makes sense this doesn't make any sense like oh everybody pretends there's a system in place it's like really like uh it's it's well-meaning and it's really fair and it's uh it's it's going to benefit everybody it's that's it took a while to slowly unpeel the onion you know and that was probably one of the first things was seeing reagan say that it was reagan it sort of like spoiled the illusion that's just so obviously [ __ ] people always ask they're like what does joe believe and i'm like look i think it's like a skepticism of power that's like the bedrock thing and so reagan was the genesis of that because if i were to throw a thread through all like your takes on politics it's always something along the lines of i'm not sure if i believe what that person is saying yeah like is that where it comes from he was the first guy that i realized was the president but also full of [ __ ] and i was like it's a seminal moment honestly because yeah for me right yeah i remember watching there was a something on television about nixon about how you know watergate and oh my god he you know bugged the the opposition and what a terrible person and but then you know different people came along and gerald ford was this bumbling guy and then jimmy carter was like this really sweet guy but couldn't really get the job done in terms of like getting the hostages released from iran yeah and then all of a sudden reagan comes along and it's uh you know win one for the gipper and everybody's all rah-rah america and then you know this was all when i was young and as i was 20 21 the whole nicaragua contra thing and the sandinistas and watching that on television going what the hell is going on like this is the president the president he [ __ ] remembers yeah i remember thinking that he [ __ ] remembers he's lying right but he maybe he didn't honestly because he was getting alzheimer's but most likely remember he um is it uncomfortable for you how much unintentional power you have in the political sphere yeah it's weird it's totally unintentional that's why it's weird it was there's no planning of any of this it's just talking to people and then all the stuff like i still don't understand why it's so popular i don't get it really i know a lot of other people do the same thing i'm like why is this [ __ ] thing still number one well let's tease that out then because you invented the long form podcast game there are a lot of people who followed you into the game what do you think they're doing wrong relative to you like what are you doing right like what what is the secret sauce of jre i don't know so well then what do you see i don't think about it too much what do you see other people doing that's wrong because people ask me they're like well you've been on rogan like he says he just shows up and i'm like yeah he might say that but it's very clear to me that you're an extremely like a very good practitioner of conversation knowing when to interject knowing when to stay silent knowing when to move somebody forward knowing when to bring something around being like oh i'm familiar with this person let me interject this this at this time it may seem artless but it's definitely not so like is that something that you learned is it a comedian skill because i see i listen to some comedy podcasts and frankly they're not as good some are decent when i see you i see somebody endless curiosity is it innate in your personality is it a learned phenomenon it's both i've always been curious but i've learned how to be more effectively curious as i've gotten older this podcast has been a massive education for me an unintended accidental education the fact that i've been able to talk to so many interesting and intelligent people and get their perspectives and just sit across from them uninterrupted for hours at a time and get to see how their brain works and then to consider my own brain and then you know in the beginning there's a lot of bad podcasts they didn't go that well i wasn't that good at it and i didn't think first of all i didn't think anybody was listening i remember the moment i realized people were listening i was at a sold-out show at the chicago theater and i was on stage and i was doing this bit and uh it was it had something to do with the podcast and i said um how many of you guys listen to the podcast and the place went yeah wait where is this um maybe 2011 whoa so it's like two years in that's what because i'm thinking in the podcast as a podcast historian or whatever that was like the marc maron era right like that's when i remember mark maron was like a thing and i was like what is going on with mark like obama went on mark martin yeah which was like crazy and i remember being like man there's something going on in this this space but then it's like you not only eclipsed marin like you became this probably this i would say one of the single most influential people in american life and so like when do you think that transition happened for you i know you haven't changed your your like affect or anything but like when do you think that was like i'm not sure yeah does it does it get into your does you were saying like you don't think about why it's successful is that sort of intentional yes because i feel like part of why what's com continues to be compelling is that you don't bring to it all of this weight of like a lot of people are listening i gotta be really careful and i gotta really watch what i which can be a beautiful thing and it can also get you in trouble at times but is that sort of like lack of digging into what's made it successful and the type of impact it could have or does have is that an intentional strategy to keep it kind of what it is it's not an intentional strategy it's probably a survival technique because if i did stop and think it's like if i read all my twitter mentions i'd probably go [ __ ] crazy yeah right if i just put out one tenth and i had to stop reading because i was going [ __ ] crazy you can't do it and if if i uh if i paid attention to all of it i wouldn't be able to do any of the things that i do because then i wouldn't be able to think about those things because i'd be thinking about my impact or my influence or what i did wrong or what i did right or you know oh people like that i should probably lean into that i'd be thinking about all these different things instead of my commitment is to just do the best job that i can always do my best and if it's something that requires some sort of you know research like if i have an important subject and i don't understand it too much i'll read someone's book or i'll watch documentaries or i'll do something to get myself prepared for it if or i love things like the ufo subjects because i don't have to do any preparation i do a little bit but it's like i know you got that subject kind of locked down i'm it's i'm dialed into it but i don't i don't think it would help me if i thought about the impact of the show and i also don't think that i could do it the way i do it because i think like i think normally if someone had reached the kind of amount of exposure that i have and you were really hyper aware of it you'd start to protect what you've accumulated right you yeah but when you protect it then it stops being what it is i think that's one thing that freaks people out about me is that i talk wild i talk wild [ __ ] like a comic that has like 10 000 people listening but it's 10 million where it's yeah where you have nothing to lose but you actually have everything to lose but i kind of don't i kind of do but i kind of don't right you know because it's like i'm not a bad person so like when i'm doing this about if i say something wrong i can always apologize if i'm incorrect about something i can correct it but my intention is always to be good so i don't know how much i really have to lose because i'm financially independent so like that's a big one that holds people back right a big one that holds people back is financial uh influence you know the influence of executives or the inferences advertisers and i've lost advertisers because of shows and it's like oh good luck you don't care sorry it doesn't hurt you if i i would do the i would have considered doing the podcast for no money i thought about that in the future i'm like maybe there'll come a time where i just no longer have any ads you know because i'm like you know like maybe that would be the ultimate way because like if someone wants to cancel you one of the things that they do is they contact right and it doesn't work but it works with some right but i have a backlog of people trying to be advertisers so like generally if one drops off there's always somebody in the queue it's funny that's part of the reason that we went subscription first is that we were like you know what you know when you're doing news and especially in the beginning they're like we need to be able to rely on our people but something you said it was really interesting during our podcast you said you talk to enough people you can figure out whether they're telling the truth or not yeah so how do you know when somebody's full of [ __ ] like you've talked to thousands of people like how do you know if somebody's full of [ __ ] or not whenever you're talking to them you don't really know right you kind of get a sense like you get a sense of whether or not a person is being genuine and sometimes you you're doing jiu jitsu with them right like moving them in a certain direction seeing how they respond you're testing their ego right you're testing they're you're challenging their but maybe interrupt them on purpose you know maybe give them a little nudge like if you you're concerned they're like you try to like see if they they push back like see where they're at yeah you get a sense of a human you know like you get if you get around so many people so often and you have so many conversations you you recognize patterns and i think the brain sort of picks up on them but on at the end of the day ultimately you don't really know if someone's lying to you some people are just really good at lying have you had a situation where you had someone on and after the fact you were like um upon reflection maybe that person was full of [ __ ] yes yes definitely yeah no question yeah for sure yeah and some of them have been full of [ __ ] yeah when you say that you try that your goal is just to do a good job how do you define that and um uh the smoothest conversation i can where people don't get uncomfortable listening i was listening to a podcast recently and uh it was a friend of mine's podcast and uh he doesn't have the people wear headphones and one of the things i tell people when you have two or more guests you must have headphones because then people recognize when they're talking over each other because you're very right actually it happened when we were talking that's right yeah because when you hear your voice at the same level you hear that person's voice then it becomes painfully obvious when you guys are and it's like right we just did three and a half hours right and it's this weird dance we're doing where you know we all have something to say and it's kind of exciting right very exciting we're talking about all these like really intense subjects and it's really stimulating and you never know like when to jump in and when and we're like letting each other we were all really good dance partners it was really fun yeah but sometimes it's not and just my friends that i was listening to was not a good and i'm calling them afterwards i'm gonna say hey bro you gotta get headphones so what what makes you walk out of this room and go man that was a [ __ ] great episode and then what makes you walk out here and be like ah [ __ ] i should have done something better like what what is you don't have to name people necessarily but like but if you want to name people smoothness of absorption right like whether or not it's easily absorbed into your mind you're not you're not uncomfortable it doesn't feel gross like sometimes people sometimes people say things and even if they're honest even if it's an honest true thing it'll sound braggy or it'll sound uh hyperbolic you know it'll sound uh maybe like disingenuo um uh you you could you could fake humility and people pick up on that too they don't like that either that's gross right well so this is funny though because you're like i don't think about it but everything you're saying you're the greatest audience advocate i've heard so when people ask me about podcasting i'm like it's not about you like sometimes it is but it's really not and it's like you're always having to think about the people who are listening so like how do you do that like when you're talking about when you see somebody do something you're like man people at home are gonna hate this like do you think about that type of stuff when you're talking to people sometimes i do like sometimes i'm in the middle of talking to somebody and they're just blurting out nonsense i'm like oh god what have i done this one sucks and i've had a few of those like i had one you know not recently but within the last few months and i i walked out i looked at jamerrill that wasn't a good one just because sometimes people you take a chance like a lot of these authors and professors i've never spoken a word right nor have i heard them speak right a lot of people i've just read their stuff and uh maybe i'll listen to an audiobook where an actor was reading it and you don't know how good they're going to be sometimes i'm pleasantly surprised and sometimes it's like it's awkward yeah you know i mean we have the same experience but generally we're doing 10-minute segments right so it's like less of a risk you're not making an hour plus commitment to this person um you mention actually with us that you are very self-critical person so do you go back do you re-watch the episodes you don't do any of that i don't need to do you know in your head what are they like what are the type of thoughts that'll go through your hair what are the things that you're looking for thinking about or that would stick with you like i should have done that differently giving people enough space is big like letting them talk like you know there's always this uh urge to talk you know when two people are talking you get excited right and these subjects are they're they're stimulating right and you want to talk so you got to give people the you you you want to sort of first of all you want to make them welcome and you want to kind of caress the conversation you know you don't want to beat on it you want to like kind of like like like let's uh let's figure out a way to make you the most comfortable let's figure out a way to to get the most out of you and then also you have to have i think you have to have genuine curiosity because i think we can all pick up on artificial curiosity yeah we can put pick up oh that's interesting and you're like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 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yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you're like you don't mean that yeah okay that's late night tv hosts they're the worst right it's crazy it's so clunky and fake and it's so air quotes professional and the thing about podcasts is you're professionally unprofessional yes because you're really just having a conversation and you if you you're doing it well you're making these people feel like you're just you're talking to someone who cares you're talking to someone who cares about what and you really the only way to do that is to actually care like you really want to care about what this person is saying and thinking so one of it actually reminded me because i've always ever for years i've listened to you it's always been very clear like an ant like an antithesis to the you know the corporate suit like the development deals the comedy so you're joe rogan you've literally been and you were in la for decades hollywood sports comedy basically three like titan areas of american entertainment what do people not know about that industry that they should know which also caused you clearly to be like i've generally had a bad experience i'm obviously not with the ufc or anything like that but like you having been at the center of all these worlds you're like you've seen a lot of [ __ ] i guess and it caused you to say i cannot be controlled by these people like what were some of those experiences and like why do you think that the industry is the way that it is today they don't have i mean here's the best way to describe what's going this is the problem not just with hollywood but also with los angeles because los angeles is inexorably connected to show business there is no getting around that it's the reason why a large percentage of people move there and it also massively affects the politics of the the place and not just politics but social discussions the way people communicate because it's an incredibly disingenuous way of communicating where you want to say the things that people are going to want to hear because that way they're going to cast you so here's the thing you take these people and um generally speaking people come to hollywood if uh they have an acting dream that's the big reason why right that's like probably the number one there's comics they come there and they're different but not necessarily because a lot of them get into acting and they get they get like corrupted by that system too but the way this system works is you go there and then you go into a room like this once like maybe we could be the casting directors and someone would come in and you go hey mark tell us a little bit about yourself where'd you move from and there's like a smugness to it and a weirdness to it because they have power over you yeah and they're like well you know i'm from new jersey but uh you know been acting i did a bunch of plays and blah blah blah and i'm out here trying it out okay mark well um you're gonna read for the role of ted and then you know like some [ __ ] pa will read off a thing well ted i don't even know if we can do this man it just seems like it's all wrong you're like come on man we can do it i've done this so many times you're in this like completely non-natural environment it's usually a conference room yeah in a production office and you're in this non-natural environment with these smug people that have this massive amount of power over you and it shapes the way people communicate like i've been in rooms where they'll discuss politics like right away and you see people bend to whichever way the wind is born like what do i have to say what do they want i think it's about time we had a woman president like they'll say [ __ ] yeah well yeah like you see it you see the disingen they don't have opinions these uh i mean i say they some of them do but a lot of them don't what they have is a conglomeration of opinions that they've adopted because they think it'll be beneficial for their career because their career is they're insecure people that go to a place where they're going to get rejected a lot right it is the worst thing ever for their mental health i stopped dating actresses like in the 90s it was like 94. i was like oh this is not good this doesn't work like these these people are crazy and i'm like i know i'm crazy but i'm i'm like comedian slash martial artist crazy it's like a different kind of crazy okay it's like a more like honest crazy like their crazy was i need to get cast in things and also i got insanely lucky i auditioned for two television shows and the two television shows i auditioned for i got both of them it was nuts like i got the show called hardball that was the first thing i came out for i got that and then hardball got canceled and auditioned for news radio and then i got that right so it's like two things in a row it was unheard of so just dumb luck i auditioned for the right things and then so i i didn't see this side of it because i was already working the like constant rejection side so i would go on auditions for movies and stuff that i'd net probably didn't really want or and i would do it because you were supposed to you're supposed to your my agent would literally tell me you need to go out on these so these casting directors know who you are so they know you and they like you even i go but i can't even do this because i'm doing this they're like just they it's better to have them want you and not be able to get you that's weird so okay so and then there was like maybe something that's going to be cast while you're on summer break okay fine so i would go on these auditions and i would see these poor [ __ ] that were like like lost in this world of being chosen for things and that's what shapes the entire mindset of that part of the country the entire mindset of that part of the country is doing things that you think other people will like imagine a hellscape of a world where everyone in the business in one business everyone is liberal how is that possible yeah how is that possible right how is it possible when the country is basically divided 50 50. so you're telling me that everyone who is uh is everyone who's creative is it everyone who is expressive is it everyone who's theatrical is that possible it's not possible because it's not really opinions they're willing to not have any opinions on anything else other than feeding narcissism feeding this career that seems insurmountable and impossible to achieve because when you're thinking about someone wanting to be uh like an actor on a television show you're like what is what's the what are the odds that you make it it's so small right like there's so many people in hollywood that never make it like i was talking to a buddy of mine the other day about his ex-girlfriend and she was really mean to him in college and she cheated on him with his friend and all this and and she's still trying to make it now she's 48. wow and and he was talking about how like he ran into her and this is [ __ ] weird moment i was like dude because it's crazy a lot of them just drop off they just quit because they realize they're like they're clinging to this ship and they they can't quite pull themselves up and then they're in the middle of the ocean like i gotta drop off the ship and they're gonna and then sometimes they drop off and they're 60 years old there's nothing else never made it wow maybe they got like a bit part on like a sitcom where they walk in with a pizza and they have one line they leave and that's on their reel forever like this is this is that industry so that industry has made a bunch of [ __ ] insane people because they were insane going in there they needed a lot of attention already and then on top of that they get rejected over and over and over again and they i remember this girl that i was dating she would come home from auditions and then she'd just be like just devastated because the audition didn't all go well and she stumbled through things she's just like you could like feel the angst like pulsating off of their bodies like people were just and you run into that more than you don't because most and most people are bitter and most people are weirded out and they adopt these liberal sensibilities and ideologies and they don't necessarily do it because they thought these things through i mean occasionally you got your mark ruffalo characters really all in on right but most of them are not right most of them are just nonsense people and those nonsense people will get on stage and they'll they'll say like at the academy awards or at the grammys they'll talk about this is what we have to do we have to make sure that we support this and that and it's [ __ ] horseshit imagine video where they all said that it was perfect perfect who asked for this we never [ __ ] asked you for this perfect yeah perfect encapsulation do you think you're actually helping me yeah no this is so sad that was my first favorite one my second favorite one was after the george floyd thing where they all did that black and white video that i will no longer stand for it i will no longer stand for any race like wait how much racism are you standing for where are you doing before everybody's super liberal out there what are you experiencing so that's the people that like don't make it right yeah people do and then we're talking about two groups of people that do the imagine people and the people in the other video are people that do do you think that fame has its own like corrosiveness and like the people who actually make it and then you're in a different situation where you're not faced with constant rejection now you're faced with constant adulation like what does that do to people and what has that experience been like for you i think you have to have something to test your ego and for me it's always been martial arts and exercise and yoga and you know we talked about sauna yeah that's tests you as much as you don't think it does think you need things that test you if you just have this smooth sailing life where you get out of the top you get out of the shower you put your arm out and someone hands you a towel and you're like i'd like fresh fruit and they bring you a plate of fresh fruit and they're like and then that's a lot of people especially when you are on a movie set and you're a major star i would imagine that is your reality where you're just constantly being catered to and you start thinking that you're different and better than you deserve it right it's very unhealthy and it's it's very sketchy it's [ __ ] weird it's funny when you think about it yeah um and psychologically right it's not where people are supposed to be but you think about it like what do they behave like well they behave like joffrey in [ __ ] game of thrones right right is that his name yeah yeah you got it you you behave like a king you behave like a dictator because like all these people are like throwing roses at your feet and like the red carpet [ __ ] like i [ __ ] never would do red carpet even movies that i did like i did a couple of movies with kevin james like you'd walk the red carpet like [ __ ] you i'm like i'm not i want to go in the back of the theater i'm not walking through that red carpet a very weird custom one you think about it joe over here over here over here and some people are posing they're picking i don't want to be a part of that but the crazy thing though is that when you're describing that old hollywood i'm well you can correct me if i'm wrong but i feel like everything is changing now it's all like the tick tock kids um like mr beast i mean we encounter like some of this you created this whole space right of the youtube like how did you create this whole thing well i think i would say that you wouldn't it would happen i would call you the father of the space whether you like it or not and like i think we are an outgrowth of that i think actually a lot of new comedy that i see for example like youtube comedy is how i primarily engage with comedy like and then i mean andrew schultz i became friends with him because of your show i reached out to him and then started engaging with this podcast and more like but hollywood didn't have anything to do with that so i feel like everything has changed the logan paul thing was kind of crazy to me because i'm like this guy who was a youtuber and then became a boxer and now he's just did this thing with floyd mayweather where they just sold what was like a million pay-per-views i'm like that's [ __ ] crazy crazy and so now you have youtubers who want to be boxers and boxers who want to be youtubers and because of you i've engaged slightly in ufc all these ufc guys are becoming influencers like i can see them online and they've got like [ __ ] hot sauces and stuff and there's nothing wrong with that but it's like this weird change that happened so like what do you make of as everything goes independent everything moves online has it gotten worse has it gotten better like what are some of the downsides plus size or whatever as things have changed in the last it's only been like 10 years and things are totally different i don't think it's a worse or better it's just a new world we're living in like is the world worse or better because of social media or worse or better because better because of smartphones well it's better because maybe you can have an app that tells you if you're having a heart attack you know it's better because you can google the answer to a question and you don't have to [ __ ] people anymore you have to wonder you don't have to go find an encyclopedia it's better because we have more access to information you can take videos of your kids and you can look at them forever i mean i have videos of my daughter when she was a little baby and i pull them up on my phone all the time they're my my favorites you know she's 13 now but i could see her when she was one you know and it's that's that's awesome there's something amazing about this technology there's something amazing about all of it but it's very challenging you know it's we're putting ourselves in an unusual uh position of stress where you know like when you see people that get in these uh social media squabbles you know you talked about jamie jamie killstein yeah well jamie kilstein has a crazy story about you know he was like all in as a social justice warrior and he would tell me that he would attack people on twitter and then he'd be walking down the street and he couldn't help like looking at his phone and checking the mentions and and then but he you know he's really honest about that it was kind of brave yeah he realized like for he got cancelled for like the most it was like literally the most benign thing like he was like trying to date someone right and they were like you're a predator and he's like what yeah what does that mean and he's like but i've been doing this so now what do i do what is what do you say like what does that even mean you know like a man who's attempting to uh date a girl yeah like in a lot of those circles is like problematic but it's not even real what it is it's like it's like we were talking about with elon with money earlier attack vectors it's finding a thing to attack you on and when people can't when there's nothing to attack they attack things and then they justify that that's something that they should attack right when you only have a hammer everything looks like a nail and one of the things about social media is that people genui generally look to complain about things whether it's to complain about people or it's a complaint about the state of politics or the climate or whatever the [ __ ] it is like you get the most juice out of complaining about things and the algorithms recognize that obviously as well which is why the algorithms recognize that the things that people interact with most are the things that they hate so those are the things that people go after and they say that it's like oh they're engineering it to make us you know hateful and angry but my friend ari did an experiment and he went on youtube and he only looked up puppies for like months and all youtube suggested was puppies they didn't suggest they're just serving you which is just kkk videos you're gonna love killing puppies if you look at my youtube my youtube is like there's some political discussion but it's a lot of like martial arts matches and professional pool and like mindless stuff like muscle cars and things along those lines but it's like your social media algorithm whether it's i don't use facebook very much but whatever whatever you're looking at most is what they're going to recommend to you most right so it's more of a reflect reflection of the problem with human psychology that we do tend to concentrate on negative things which i think is overall very unhealthy for us because we're we're hardwired to deal with real problems because we grew we evolved trying to get away from predators and you know um enemy tribes are coming over the hill and trying to steal our resources and now everything's pretty [ __ ] easy in that regard so now we're looking for problems in our culture we're looking for problems in the way people communicate and we're looking in many many cases we're looking to enact power over other people to avoid looking inward at our own problems and difficulties right if you look at online the people that that are the most disciplined that accomplish the most things and have the most impact spend the least amount of time complaining about other people yeah the people that spend the most amount of time complaining about other people and the most time calling out people and insulting people and shaming people they always get it back at them someone always comes at them because they're filled with flaws and they're the type of person that does that all the time is the type of person that's kind of shitty you know and then other people gonna say well you've [ __ ] over your employee or you [ __ ] over your mom or you did this to that person and look here's the thing we found you wrote four years ago on twitter you piece of [ __ ] you're an ableist or you're this or that and it's like you're involved in this constant cycle of negativity and like it's not healthy for anybody and the more time you can concentrate on yourself and people you care about and friendships and love and community and your actual interests real interests like you should have real interests you should have hobbies you have things you're curious about you should have um like subjects you're fascinated with that you you and really like if there's a good documentary on you ufos on youtube or on on itunes or something i get [ __ ] pumped i'm excited like i'm not thinking about complaining about people i'm not thinking about calling people out i'm like whoa what's this we got some new footage what do they got is this real yeah i'm excited i want i like positive things and i think if i can express anything that will help people the more you take care of your own [ __ ] the less you're going to worry about other people's [ __ ] and the more you can enjoy things that you're actually interested in right as opposed to spending time cultivating negativity which is so intoxicating it's so easy for people to get caught up in this artificial drama you know and i think i wonder if you think that this is right too i think there's also like a very innate human longing to be like a hero in a way you know to do noble things and get credit for that and be recognized and i think part of the instinct also comes from that in a society that doesn't give us a lot of opportunities to like exercise that particular muscle it's a longing for like okay i can show that i'm virtuous i called out this person and now other people are joining and it makes you feel like you actually accomplish something for sure yeah i think definitely i mean that's what virtual signaling is all about right and there's uh there's a bunch of human reward systems that are just built into what it means to be a person that they can get hijacked by technology and culture and a lot and you you really think you're doing a good thing you think you're changing things but really you're just making noise you know so something i think is kind of crazy is that this podcast gets millions of viewers of listeners etc so jre and yet we live in dc and we've seen this with the success of our own show even though our show consistently will beat a cnn primetime hour people in power don't seem to care and i've con and i've considered this with your work as well because i will hear a newsworthy interview that you'll do with like bernie sanders or something like that or a newsworthy interview with tulsi or with andrew yang or even um any any general influencer and it will not get the same level of mainstream attention as if let's say they sat down with the new york times but you have 10 times the audience of these people why do you think that is i've never been able to put my arm around it do you think people in power don't understand you because actually wait because here's the thing they do by the way you have no many people have i know how many people are like can you give me joe rogan's number yeah my congressman really wants like literally no like he doesn't give a [ __ ] about you and i'm not gonna do that um like can you pass on this person to this i'm like dude he would hate you like absolutely not um and in general like i'm respectful of your time so there is this dual thing where people are aware there are a lot of people here who are listening but they're not yet ready to like engage with it on a mainstream level why like what's going on there in terms of i almost want to call it a lack of respect because it's like they want to pretend that you don't exist but they also have to reckon with it at some point i don't know yeah there's one more thing i don't think about i guess that's just me yeah no but it's like okay prince [ __ ] fouchy right like why is fauci commenting on joe rogan what prince harry openly attacked you for no reason i actually went to go listen to the episode and i was like what the [ __ ] i was like what does this [ __ ] guy have to say about joe he opened his interview with dak shepard attacking you that was the first things that did you guys see what happened with joe rogan goes terrible with pat responsibility platform and i was like what is going on here right yeah i don't know yeah i don't know good luck to that guy i heard you say something once it made me really sad and it was that you can't save humanity at scale i can't remember who you were talking to but you were talking about i think it was about died i think it was about ending factory farming and more do you do you actually think you can't save humanity at scale like are you talking in terms of your own influence that you have in terms of that message around health you know there's no one human being where everyone's going to listen there's no there's no one positive message hey we should just love each other hey we should value community and friendship and we should take care of our bodies and be healthy hey [ __ ] you there's still one person that can say anything where everyone's gonna listen yeah but that is the most significant factor the most significant factor is doing things that are positive both for your health and for your friendships and for your community and also like choosing a path in life that is actually rewarding and satisfying and that's hard it's hard for a lot of us we talked about on our podcast oh absolutely it's a very difficult thing to do and this idea that you know everybody starts at the same starting block as [ __ ] total horseshit and that is something that people who are doing well like to stick in the face of people that really were dealt a really bad hand of cards so the three of us we can't just snap our fingers but you you know a lot of people are going to listen to this if you're one of those people who have heard you talk about i used to work one of these jobs just like working in these soulless cubicle jobs i had the ability financial ability to be like i have to get the [ __ ] out of here like i have to get out but there are a lot of people who i left behind who are still there like are still working well listen let's talk about you guys right you guys were in a situation where you were doing a show for someone else and there was a significant amount of fear in leaving but you had so many things on your side you had other people like myself and kyle and all these other people that loved you and supported you that would be more than willing to help promote you people with a lot of influence you also had a tremendous amount of followers both on your social media and on your show itself you had so many things going you have talent you have the the right morals and ethics you have a great insight to politics into the social issues and yet you were still worried yeah you're still scared right we're terrified yeah now imagine if you're you're making 15 an hour and you have children to feed i don't know and you have a you have a dream you have a risk yeah you have you a a thing to do and you're scared and a lot of people would advise you to not take any risks in that situation and that might be good advice because everybody's got a unique situation everybody's situation is totally completely unique and it's it's hard always but my advice is always you have to think of your life in terms of first of all it's a temporary situation you have a finite amount of time and it could be a good time or it can suck and if it sucks you you have to fight to change it as if your life depends on it because it really does it really does the quality of your life depends on it the the the quality of the experience depends on it and you've got yourself into a bad situation like if you went down the wrong road okay if you're going if you have a destination to go to and you're supposed to go left but you [ __ ] up and you go right and you go right for like a couple of miles and you realize like oh my god i went right what do you do do you keep going right now but do you do you stop get out of the car and cry no you realize like oh my god it's going to take me hours and hours and hours to go back and turn around and turn back yeah that's what you got to do you got to get better the same way you got sick you you've been living your life and if you've been living your life with a with a bad diet or with a bad mindset or you've been living like blaming other people for your failures you've got to recognize that those things are not serving you well and you have to back up and you have to go left you have to go the right way you have to figure out a way to get on the right path and for a lot of people that kind of change and that kind of alteration of these comfort patterns that people fall into is extremely difficult to do but you've got to do it you've got to do it it's the only way to do it you know and this is it's it's easier to say it's easy for me to say because i'm an impulsive person who's reckless and i've always just gone just whatever way i want to and people have always given me advice don't do that i'm like [ __ ] you and i've always done that always from the time i was a child because i was a lock key kid and my parents didn't really pay attention to me and my first success in life was doing something extremely dangerous it was doing martial arts competitions when i was a young teenager so for me i was like i'm not listening to anybody now because this is the number one thing in my life ever and it's a thing that everybody told me to never do and then i became really good at it and it became my identity but then i realized okay i can't do this anymore because this is bad for my brain i'm getting brain damage and there's no future in this i got to get out and then i started doing stand-up comedy i'm like i'm going to be a comedian and the same thing everybody was telling me don't do that was that a scary transition or you just didn't yeah no it was definitely scary what was that what was that like well it's just you don't know whether or not it's gonna work anytime you're you're going down you're taking the first couple steps on a path with no certainty whatsoever it's terrifying you know you don't you don't know but again i was 21 years old i was reckless and i had been accustomed to doing dangerous things so it was exciting so i was like well let me just try this and again there was no future in it i did not know whether or not it was going to work and you know the odds were when i looked at all the people around me that were falling off that didn't make it the odds were not good but i just did it so then i started doing everything like that and it kind of set a pattern in my life where just i'd follow my instincts does it seem like a thing to do like what if i started doing the podcast like my friend ari famously i always mock him so you got to edit it you got to edit it it's too long why because no one's going to listen to three hours ago don't listen and then just cut it off on your own i want people to listen to your show trust me edit it i'm not editing [ __ ] [ __ ] off well that was that's the signature though is the three hour mark and actually set it changed in my opinion changed everything about what people were willing to listen to i think the success of our long-form show and more a lot of it was born from that space and that's why i think about it a lot was it intentional were you just like like the original ones with red band like the episode one and two and more like when did the three hour become part of the signature necessarily like why why did you go three hours in the first three after three hours people have to pee but then why are movies only an hour and a half right some tarantino movies go longer that's true i think um honestly it's true actually i i just feel like uh you gotta to get an idea and really re to really have a conversation with someone and get into their head and find out what makes them tick you gotta it takes time to cook you know you can't just microwave that [ __ ] you have to like if you have an important complex idea and you go on cnn for five minutes and talk to chris cuomo about it you're [ __ ] yeah it's not getting out right right it's not it's like ideas are like human beings they're like personalities and and the the history of your life it's complex there's a lot going on if you're talking about something what you know whether whatever it is whether it's uh the ancient history or cosmology or these are complex subjects you know any things that are really interesting they require like long examinations of things and even then you're just scratching the surface really you're supposed to go to school for eight years you know it's there there there's a lot of benefit in long conversations and um if if i'm naturally anything i'm naturally curious i've always been a very curious person and that goes back to um i moved around a lot when i was a child my parents we moved from new jersey to san francisco when i was seven and then we lived in san francisco until i was 11 and then we moved to florida when i was 11 and we lived there for three years and then we moved to boston and then we lived i guess we lived in florida for two years till i was 13 and then we moved to boston and i lived there and that's where i started doing stand-up so i never had a chance to settle down in a place long enough to adopt everybody else's opinions i had to form my own opinions on things and i spent a lot of time by myself and so spending a lot of time on myself i found things that i was interested in things that i was genuinely curious about and i pursued those things and that's what gave me joy and that's what gave me that's what fulfilled my interests and so that sort of just spilled out into podcasts like if you ask me like what is the difference between what other people are doing and what i'm doing maybe maybe they're trying to do something that they think is going to be the thing that works and i just did you just did what i wanted to do and it just i got lucky that it works yes maybe a lot of people that just do what they want to do other people wouldn't be interested in it do you think if it hadn't taken off you'd still be doing it like if it was still like 500 people listening tuning in do you think you would still do it i don't know it's a good question honestly it's a good question i mean in the beginning my uh wife was always like you don't have to do it like i have to do it you don't have to do it well what was the impulse why like i i think uh forget it was already in that episode you did with the guy who inspired you um i forget his name where he anthony coombies right that's is that you were inspired by going on a show what was it about that free-flowingness that something inside you was like i gotta [ __ ] do that you're like i have got well i always love to go on those shows i always love to go on opie and anthony and howard stern and those kind of radio shows like when i would say if i was going to fly into phoenix and do stand up for the weekend i would do the local morning show and i loved doing it because you would just talk they'd go hey joe rogan's here how's it going i'd be like oh it's great and like what have you been up to i go dude i've been reading this book about zechariah stuff to talk about this wild stuff and they i know and you know sometimes people would say hey you should have a radio show and i even got offered a radio show at one point in time and i was like oh i don't know about this i'm like i'm just gonna get fired and then i can't swear right like it's gonna see you know yeah and they'll they find the [ __ ] out of you it's real like if someone says something wrong like you can get a quarter million dollar fine or something crazy wow yeah like howard stern that's one thing that people don't give enough credit for he they find the [ __ ] out of that guy and he just didn't care he kept going he kept going but it's also like the company paid the fines because it was valuable it was also kind of a badge of honor that this guy is getting fined by the government and this is during the bush days right during the bush administration they went after him because of his influence um i just it seemed like a thing to do and then when um ustream came around where you could just have a webcam and just talk into a webcam and just [ __ ] around i thought it'd be fun to do it was just a fun thing and then uh it became a thing like all right we're gonna do this every monday i'll see you monday bye and we'll like log off and laugh and go that was fun but it wasn't a thing where it was ever thought about like this is going to be a career yeah so because of that i just approached it i just did it the way i wanted to do it that's why like when ari was giving me advice i wasn't listening at all like right because you're like i don't care like do it but if ari was the right of which ironically he does three-hour podcast sometimes more but if ari was the aria of today and i was the me of then i maybe would listen because he's got a successful podcast i'd be like oh i should edit it hmm because no one had successful podcasts back then i mean marin had a podcast and corolla had a podcast maybe corolla was number one because i think corolla was coming off of radio and it was interesting to people that this guy who was uh the guy who took over in los angeles for howard stern when howard stern went to satellite all of a sudden started a podcast and i went to do his show before i ever did a podcast i remember i'm like wow you do like a real show like you got microphones and cameras and [ __ ] and you had a bunch of employees like oh this is wild and then i started thinking like man maybe i should do that but like when we started out it was just a laptop but it's been a completely organic uh rate of progression all of it no think about it one of the things i've never done i've never advertised it i never paid for advertisement i never i just it's all word of mouth 100 i never did anything to promote it i never went on anybody else's podcast and says you got to watch my podcast i never did like a calculated press tour nothing just kept doing it i wonder if that's part of why people responded to it so much though because everybody's so used to being pitched all the time in every aspect of their lives that i actually think that's one of the things that appeals probably and i think people can tell if you're genuinely interested in what you're doing and i think that comes out it does yeah if you're genuinely interested i think it's interesting people can can sniff out [ __ ] and fakeness better than like human beings aren't that great at statistics or math or numbers or like any of that stuff but i do think that there's a very good instinct in general for that sort of like genuineness and authenticity and like i can tell this person really means what they say it's particularly obvious in contrast so if you took someone who's doing a late night talk show late night late night talk show style and you had them try to do that on a podcast disaster it would be amazing but what it's like it's like the difference between howard stern and morning djs hey coming up right now we've got bob seeger you know that's that's what those people had and then stern came along and he was himself and people like this is crazy and that that was in contrast he made all those other people look foolish because they weren't themselves you know so we talked about on the podcast before that that guy that's the seed of all podcasts it's that guy it's hard stern what's funny to me though is that in ways stern is responsible for trump like trump you know was on stern all the time kind of being himself and so when i think about you and i try to think about your audience and like maybe maybe the next president is born here i have no idea you know i didn't have trump on twice yeah i know two opportunities i was like uh-uh so let's talk about that because this is okay a message out to all the politicians who keep asking me in order to connect me with joe rogan what is joe rogan's process and how he decides which politician for because look like what do crenshaw yang tulsi and bernie have in common okay but then how do you define that how do you look at somebody and say you're not full of [ __ ] before you even get to meet them i heard andrew yang talk and i saw the things he was saying i didn't think he was a politician i thought he was a businessman who had a unique idea and andrew's unique idea was that first of all i think he has good foresight to see that automation's coming and it's going to take a lot of jobs and i think he's correct about that and whether it's 10 years from now or 20 years from now it's something that needs to be addressed now before it gets out of hand and also as we talked about on our podcast earlier i think that there's a real benefit to something like universal basic income in that it'll allow people to take care of their basic needs and maybe those people can take chances and pursue a dream that they that would be outside of their reach so that was andrew um with tulsi she just seemed so genuine in so many different ways and so respectable right um a person who was a congresswoman who uh served two tours of duty overseas in a medical union and and dealt with people getting blown up and shot and she'd seen it all yeah and has so much integrity if if she was my number one choice yeah you know i just felt like i felt like bernie was more popular and had a chance at doing something different and and changing things and so i wanted to talk to him um that's those are the type of people that i like to talk to crenshaw is a navy seal i have a deep respect for people that can do that i have a deep respect for people that have served a guy lost an eye and even if i disagree with him on certain political uh opinions and and positions i have a massive amount of respect for the guy as a just as a human being and who he is and i've hung out with him in real life that's who he is all the time no absolutely what what happened with the uh trump what what's the back story there and did you consider having him on did you like wait what did you think about it not really coming back they wanted me do it at the white house if he had been willing to come here i don't know if you were in la at that point like i was in l.a would you considered it more fake maybe i would have thought about it in l.a like to do like a real three-hour thing but either way the problem is this is a it's a real problem in that i don't want anybody to be uncomfortable and i don't think it's my role like if if i'm talking to someone like him there there's some uncomfortable things that have to be addressed i've interviewed trump i know exactly we're talking about and he actually hates to be pushed so you'll have to be like mr president he's like you know he gets pissed yeah whenever you'll do it but that's why you got to do three hours right that's true you got to cook them right but his staff make sure that they right exactly i remember that they'd want to edit it oh of course 15 minutes in um underneath the resolute desk his staff person is hitting me in the leg trying to get me to wrap it and i was like dude i'm not [ __ ] rapping this thing i was like i'm rapping whenever trump is gonna rap staff members hitting me phil shine the former head of fox news was sitting there smacking my leg trying to get me to rap at 15 minutes why because you were asking uncomfortable questions right yeah that was and you know in general they just they just want you to come in you get a little abide or whatever and then he says whatever they want him to say that day and then they want him to be done because especially with him the whole thing was not it was not what i'm interested in it's not what i do like the idea of going to the white house and doing a 20-minute podcast it's not a podcast i mean i i know portnoy did it that way he went there but yeah you know for a lot of [ __ ] for that too i'm sure he did but it's like i'm not interested in that so i care i just i don't ever do things saying this is going to be a big episode it's going to be a lot of numbers i do things if i think someone's cool someone's i'm interested in someone or i think what their their position is fascinating with him it's like i don't want to help anybody in this race i don't i certainly don't want to help him and i certainly don't want to help biden and uh did the biden people approach you no i think maybe early on i don't remember before i got real controversial before i remember i remember being like that's crazy man before what when trump tweeted out a clip of you i was like yeah well that was because i said that uh i i think of joe biden as having a flashlight with a dying battery yeah you're going for a long walk in the woods and it turns out i'm right because that [ __ ] is flickering right now i just did a whole thing on that i mean from so if you're what's your advice then to the people who want to appeal to your demographic this is what everybody's like what does that mean so for well that's the thing which is that you have influence over people who are right and left i think uh probably predominantly male but people all over the spectrum all over the income there are uber drivers and they're multi-millionaires to listen to your show um because we were reached out to by some of them after we went on your show and i was like this is [ __ ] crazy in terms of the amount of people that listen to rogan and the game in politics right now is everybody has the hard right lockdown and everybody has a hard left lockdown in terms of the base but millions of people just [ __ ] hate politics and you seem to have tapped into something there so if you're a politician and you're listening to this and i can guarantee you some of them will what are they what's your advice to them in order to try and appeal to the people who are fans of joe rogan it's not my wheelhouse i would send them to you guys like i don't know enough about the way politics works like when we did the end of the world podcast with kyle yeah like to have him on during the election it's like this is perfect because he expertly explained how it was going to go down and predicted incredibly accurately he said you're going to get these early people that are voting for trump because those are the people that are walking in and voting in person right the late ballots are all going to be the mailing ballots and those are going to be the one for biden so there's going to be a lot of places where people think trump is winning and it's eventually going to shift over to it's exactly what happened right like that was super valuable so when it comes to someone who wants to do anything politically i would refer to that and if i did have a politician on that i thought was some sort of polarizing politician i might bring on someone like you or you or kyle or jimmy dore or someone who understands politics deeply i do not i i'm i'm too busy with other stuff right but you also are that's the crazy to me call i think all politics culture all culture has become politics so like you have become political in a way i know you don't want to be but like that's how people see you has that been frustrating for you like as as as the podcast is progressing well the only frustrating thing is the misinterpretation of my positions yes and maybe not it's more of a misrepresentation than a misinterpretation like i think they've just decided that i'm a right-wing alt-right character because i had milo yiannopoulos on four years ago yeah like there's there's things about that which ironically led to milo getting canceled that's right it was you it was your show i remember him right young boys and and older gay men and he was like saying that his his position on it was that it was okay and that it was for him when he was young that he was the predator that's what he said that he was going after the older men you know and a lot of people had that was like the straw that broke the camel's back but let's be honest they were looking for something like that of course people have been hunting him for years right before that happened yeah and you know it's really weird right because like did you think he was funny when you're interviewing him phony yeah he's not phony he's certainly doing a character and he's he certainly um polarizing and he's an attention seeker for sure for sure yeah for sure for sure he's he's a showman in a lot of ways in a weird way and the thing is he found this niche and see this is where it gets into censorship issues because it's really curious because there was a point in time where aggressive conservative not conservative right right wingers alt-right whatever you want to call them aggressive people who opposed a lot of liberal ideology were dominating a lot of social media platforms yeah and before social media came in and checked it and started deleting accounts and banning people for using pepe the frog and all that kind of [ __ ] they were dominating it was wild west i remember wow 1314 2013 2014 internet [ __ ] crazy in the marketplace of ideas are we supposed to let that happen are we supposed to let these people just battle it out or are we supposed to take away people that we don't agree with right and that's where it gets weird because there's a lot of like aggressively shitty left-wing people now because there's a lot of people that are behaving the exact same way or worse than milo did but they'll they're doing it against right-wing people and we find that okay yeah we find that acceptable but we found what milo did to be completely unacceptable because the people that are in charge of tech tech platforms are predominantly like overwhelmingly liberal which is really interesting well are they liberal or are they hollywood liberals i think it's hollywoodlife i think a lot of them are woke mm-hmm let's let's call it about like pro union or like they're gonna be like no but they're socially very liberal right the social liberal aspect of it in terms of what's tolerable and not tolerable like when megan murphy got kicked off of twitter for life for saying that she's uh a feminist and she got kicked off for saying that men who transitioned to women were dominating some feminist spaces yeah and she got in some sort of beef with somebody and she said uh but a man is never a woman and they just like i remember i think tim pressed uh jack dorsey yeah that's right yeah that was actually a very important moment and i want to be very respectful of your time and we're nearing um the end of what we have you and i think the major question that a lot of people see i guess going forward is like 10 years ago you didn't see any of this happening and but now you're dominating sports you're dominating or look you're you know top ufc commentator right you are the king of podcasting you sell out stadiums as a comedian is there anything next 10 years from now are you going to be doing all three like how do you see your career progressing or not even create your life progressing i don't know you know people think you have to have a [ __ ] vision board and uh no you just have to grind yeah you know i'm a grinder that's what i do i get up every morning at seven o'clock and i do the same [ __ ] every day whether it's working out or every night i get in the sauna like every i do stand up every [ __ ] chance i can i grind and i find that when i'm grinding things good things happen and then i just decide to either keep doing something or not keep doing something there may come a time where i decide uh when it comes to like ufc for instance maybe i'll just better off being a fan you know because one of the things that i loved more than anything was when i was lived in l.a we used to do fight companions so we would we would get together and smoke pot and drink and watch the fights and just talk crazy [ __ ] it was so much more fun you know but i also have a deep amount of respect for the athletes and i recognize that like being there and giving words to their performances and to honor them and to to make it exciting and to to just give some some verbal horsepower to the to the experience for people that are watching at home i i i feel extremely honored i also can't believe any of this is real like i can't believe that i'm doing these three things simultaneously it doesn't make any sense like eric weinstein said that he had this funny conversation with somebody where he's talking about the ufc and then he was talking about a podcast and then they went wait a minute that's the same guy and then i'm like dude i think like that all the time i feel like that when i show up at the ufc and i walk into the arena and i'm like what am i doing but then i put the headphones on and then i'm breaking down techniques and going over movements and different things it's like i don't i just maybe if i was struggling maybe it was the beginning of my career i would have like an idea like this is where i want to be in 10 years but that's never what i've done i've always just kind of like just kept going and now what i'm doing is like people say oh what's your goal and i'm like um i don't know like my goal i like doing this yeah so as long as i like doing this i'll keep doing this that's kind of what my goal is i want to get better at it all the things whether it's better at stand up better at podcasting better commentary i want to get better at i want to make less mistakes i want to make it more enjoyable for people that like it i want to get better at it and um you know moments where i misspeak or i have a [ __ ] up or you know people get mad at me like i don't like those moments that's not what i want what i want is for people to enjoy it you know i don't want to to give fuel to people that are just looking to get mad at me for something i'm just trying to put together something that people enjoy that's my one 100 of my goal there's no there's no real agenda otherwise i don't want any more attention one of the things i was hoping about spotify i was like one thing will happen is uh i'll be less famous all right it could be nice way more famous i didn't think it was good i thought it was going to work the other way well i i again i i know we don't have you that long why do you think you got more famous because of spotify i feel like you became a household name after spotify i don't know yeah i think cause i think it's people realize there's a lot of money in this [ __ ] yeah i think that was a big factor where people it was like eye-opening it was like one of those moments in a movie where the record skips wait a second because it was in forbes and all this [ __ ] whoa and then um the level of like weirdness in public ramped up right considerably considerably and does that does that bother you or most people are nice yeah people no i want to say all people are nice like no one's ever mean to me in public they're almost always nice like this has been a couple of times too nice i bet yeah sometimes people get weird but you know i'm i work hard at being nice i'm a genuinely nice person i try to be nice all the time so it's like most of the time it's just saying hi to people but it's weird yeah you have no anonymity there's none that's all it used to be like some anonymity yeah but now it's like oh it died it's all it's all dead you know but i mean i think you can get that back you just get to vanish for a while you know maybe that'll be the next fact would you ever go off the air for like six months i don't know yeah maybe that'd be right that'd be crazy i don't know maybe people would go through withdrawal i don't know maybe they'll find somebody else i think it's um the thing about podcasting is uh it's not it's not any different than anything else whether it's music or literature or comedy there's gonna be more people you know and i think one of the real problems with uh some people in their ego is they really do believe that they're the only one that can do it or they're the best one that can do it or that but i think thinking like that and having that attitude ever at all detracts you and distracts you from the ultimate goal which is to always do your best to always do your best is like you know you know the four agreements don miguel foreign i love this book it's like an amazing book and uh one of the four agreements is always do your best be impeccable with your word don't make any assumptions don't take things personally always do your best and it's these are so it's so simple right but if you can like live your life like that even if you haven't up until now even if your life's been a [ __ ] of terrible mistakes and and fibs and lies and deception and just and and hating yourself if you could just follow those four things you could change everything i really really do genuinely believe that yeah i always just try to do my best and um nobody hates my failures more than i do like nobody i believe i think that's one of the reasons why i've i can keep going and i've i don't sit back on it at all i don't um i don't like what i do i don't like i'm not a fan of my own work you know i'm just not interested in it i'm i'm interested in trying to get better at it but it's not like i ever sit back and watch something like oh it's pretty [ __ ] cool i genuinely don't i think that is completely um i don't think it does you any good it's either good or it's not if it's good congratulations keep moving right that's how i look at things and then i'm also interested in so many other things you know like right now even though i've got a lot of stuff going on i'm thinking about this [ __ ] workout i have to do tomorrow morning yeah like you know i'm like oh because i know it's coming and then tomorrow i'm like oh jesus and then once it but that kind of stuff like having things that i know i'm committed to that i know are brutal and you either do it or you don't do it there's no if ands or buts those things keep you grounded those things keep you rooted in the reality of the struggle and i think that if you do i just think everybody has a different personality everybody has a different mindset and a different perspective on life but from my perspective with me as a human being like me personally i cannot i cannot be happy unless i'm struggling i have to have physical struggle i have to have mental challenges i have to have things that i'm doing that i'm working on trying to be better at and as long as i do those things then i can appreciate all the other things better then i'm a more loving husband and father and friend and i'm better as a neighbor i'm better at all those things yeah because i take care of all my [ __ ] i think that's that's a and that's that's a there's a lot involved in that and health is involved in that too i think when people don't take care of their health they're not it's not just bad for them it's bad for all the other people around you it's bad for how you interact and interface with the world it's like you got to do your best with your body too and you know if this doesn't just mean just get vaccinated i mean jesus christ like take care of yourself yeah you got one meat vehicle this is it man joe thank you thank you thank you i love you man thank you love you appreciate you

Channel: Breaking Points

Views: 1,605,562

Rating: 4.9082642 out of 5

Keywords: saagar enjeti, krystal ball, joe rogan, joe rogan interview, joe rogan motivation, joe rogan politics, krystal and saagar breaking points, rogan, comedy, politics, podcast, joe rogan podcast

Id: ZTJSUR1lbiI

Length: 75min 6sec (4506 seconds)

Published: Thu Jun 17 2021

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The big media corporations hate Rogan (and independent podcasters in general) so this will just be more reason for them to smear him.

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I never really knew about joe rogan (only shows I watched of his was krystal and saager - both of them, Kyle kulinski, Andrew yang and bernie sanders) but he seems like a very genuine and also logical guy. Listen to the newest krystal and saagar episode. I left having much more respect for Joe rogan than I did before.

Is he just disliked because he gives a platform to some things that are crackpot crazy??