- Welcome back to another episode of Scenic Fights - Fight Scene Breakdown! I'm Logan Lo. - Chad Vázquez. - Today We're looking at
the prison fight scene from the second season of Daredevil with the Punisher played by Jon Bernthal in this really like crazy fight scene - Yup. with melee weapons, improvised
weapons. Really cool. I'm excited about this. - Yeah, it's actually, it's a very good fight scene. - All right let's check it out. - [Logan] Castle knows something's up. - Look at that stare. - Look at that stare. - He's ready to give punishment. - Here we go. Bam. Just going through these guys. This is a good use of terrain, right? We've seen this before in Raid 2, - Yeah. - with Hammer Girl where they make use of this narrow corridor. You have a melee fight with
these numbers that could overwhelm Frank, but because he's fighting them essentially one at a time - Can't get flanked. - Exactly. That's an interesting hip
throw. That's a type of Filipino hip throw they
call the Filipinos call they're kind of grappling art Dumog. And it's basically used for weapons. So you have an attacker with a
weapon and you use your Dumog to take him to the ground
and leave them with the weapon, which is exactly
what Frank did here. I'm actually going to
do a take-down to Chad. I'm super excited about this. Been dreaming about this moment for ages. - Payback time. - So Chad's coming in
and Castle stopped him by coming in closer Observe what happens if
I don't come in close. Do it again. I don't
come in close and boom, I get struck. One major difference
between people that know how to fight and people that
don't know how to fight is they understand where is their safe area. So Chad, where would
be a safe area for you? - Okay. Well definitely - Definitely here, right? - Here. - And the other safe areas is - Far away. - Here. Right? So safety is in the extremes. Safety is far away or super close. And we see that in this
perfect example here where Castle sees that
he's about to get hit and he doesn't want to back away. He presses the fight forward, knowing that there's
safety in being close. So we're doing this again.
Castle sees what's happened. He stops him immediately
capturing the arm, doing a headbutt and coming in, coming around and doing
a hip throw. Bam here. Now for me, I would probably
come down with my knee here, but Castle comes down here like this, having one knee up one knee down. I would like to note how
nice my throw was to Chad versus how Chad throws me when he does his breakdowns. So now Castle
takes the weapon and this guy is done, he's not moving for some reason. And now Castle
is armed with a stick and can now fight. He's an assailant, armed with a weapon. - [Logan] Armed. Love it. Ooh. - [Chad] Ooh. Okay. He stabbed him. - Yeah. So that's a number five attack. So the number five is
the first of three stabs. So you have the number five,
the eight and the nine. Let's go further. We'll break down the five for sure. But let's see what else we have here. - [Logan] Strike to the knee. He took a stab to his forearm - Yeah. Oof. - and he got clocked in the face. That is brutal. - Man, prison style baby. - Okay. So here, Castle
now has a shiv and he, he struck the guy with
the number five attack. In this context, it's also
called a sewing machine attack. We'll talk about that too. - [Logan] Comes up. He stabbed him in the
groin and then the chest. Castle knows someone's behind him. Boom. Finishes him. Okay. We have our second
stab, number eight stab. We're going to talk about
that one too. So here, we're going to talk about
the number five attack. We're actually going
to talk about it twice. There's a stick version
and a knife version. They're very similar, but are slight differences that
we need to talk about in our system. There are mostly slashes,
but there are three stabs. Number five, the number
eight and the number nine. So unlike in fencing where
there's this big lunging attack thrust, we don't have that. It's sort of more of a, of
a short stabbing motion. When a proper number five attack happens, it's generally here. And then I can stab this in. Why? Because now I have the force. Now, Chad, when you fight, have
you ever thrown a punch like this before? - No. - Right. It's a ridiculous
looking thing. Right? - Yeah - But we have this and people are like, well, why are, why is your arm back? There's a reason. I don't want you to grab my weapon. I need to keep you at bay
so I can get into the right position. And then shove this up. That is the number five attack. I want to come in. It's almost like a Pitchfork. I'm going to shove this in him. And my
goal is to throw it behind me. Of course, that's not going to happen with his weight. So I'm just plunging it in. - And plus it's a bladed weapon. It doesn't need that much
force to work anyway. So. - Well, the thing is, is
that it wasn't a blade. It was a pointy weapon. He penetrated through the guy. So Frank just shoved it into the person and just went on his Merry way. So that was
a great number five stab It's a great introduction to it. - [Logan] Here. We have
a number five again, but we have it in a way that's called the sewing machine attack. It's barbaric. It is not very refined,
but it's very effective. You know?
- Hmm. - And sometimes the best attacks are the simple attacks. Now in this scene, Castle and the assailant
were on the ground. We're going to do it standing
up just so you can see how dangerous this is. Let's
say I have Chad here. He knows I'm going to do a number five. I'm telling him I'm gonna
do number five right now, but we'll see what happens. Here we go. You ready Chad? - Yup.
- Here we go. - Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, got me. - At some point, it's going to penetrate. So you just have to get out of there. You need to unlock yourself and not be. - And I felt it was tough
to like catch your wrist. So if you're really
going super fast there, that the chance of me holding
a wrist is very difficult. - That was a very realistic
thing for Castle to do in that scene. That's a realistic thing to happen in prison, frankly.
You have to be very careful about these types of weapons,
these shivved weapons, which are not refined
at all. But effective. - Just based off the top of my
head what I would do in this scenario, I would remove this grip ASAP. There's different ways of doing it. I mean, I can quickly maybe
use a Russian tie up to slip with and create distance. I don't think I would ever want
to stay even near Logan with that type of weapon. And
that type of movement. - This is where reality hits into theory. I've been doing knife
work and weapons work you know, 17 years, really
long time. And Chad, how long have you been doing fighting? - About 13 years, - About 13 years. - We've been doing this for a long time, but here's the thing -
against someone that is truly dedicated and wants that stab, these very simple motions are lethal and they're dangerous
even for trained people. If I had someone that was
attacking me with a number five sewing machine, I would
take that seriously. That is dangerous. That is very dangerous for anyone. - [Logan] We've touched
on two versions of the number five stab. And
now we're going to talk about the number eight stab. Chad is there is there, there's
no punch like this, right? - Not that I know of. No, - This is there's no punch like this. Why? Because there's not
enough force generated. I'm going to hit you as
hard as I can on this shoulder with this. - Okay. - Tell me, tell me what it does, right? - eh - Not doing anything. I mean, he's laughing that off. Here's what a number eight is. So Chad, I'm going to hit you here. - Okay. So here we go. Go on here. Right? So wherever I come in, boom, - Yeah I'm telling him to stop
me here. So stop me here. Stop me here. Right? - Oh. - Number eight stab with a weapon is incredibly hard to see for someone that's not
trained in the number eight and I am trained in the number
eight and I'm scared of it. It's because it's so unorthodox. Chad is used to things like this. He's used to things like this. He's used to things like this. He's not used to a lead hand
coming in from the outside left side, his right side. That is something foreign to him. And that is why the number
eight stab is so dangerous because it is so unorthodox. It is actually one of my
favorite attacks with a tool. With a weapon because I can shoot it from any angle. I can shoot it from the outside right. I can shoot it from the middle. I can shoot it from here. I can shoot it from any angle in ways that my assailant is unprepared for. In this particular scene, Castle sees that another number one is coming. He stops it. Kind of hard
to see what's happening, but I'm assuming he throws
a number eight to the body and then staying in the blender, he throws the number eight to the neck, finishing his assailant and
then pushing him into a cell Great move. Very simple, very effective. - What's also is very
impressive was that it was the actual guy's cell. That
was actually where he's- that's - that his number. So Castle good job! - [Logan] Throws him into the cell. - Okay. So here front headlock. Guillotine, Okay. So he uses a, a front headlock. - Does that, is that real? - Cracking the neck? No. Let's break that down.
Let's go over what you can do with that position. - Don't break my neck. - Well, you know, we'll, we'll see, I'll let the director and we'll, we'll, we'll get a cue on that. - Fight's moving on, Castle
does what he does best. He's Punishing people. And
now he gets a front headlock on one of the assailants
and he essentially breaks their neck, which is not real. So, okay. What would you do? Assuming there's not other people here and I want to proceed to
finishing this person. The quickest way I can go
about it is a strangle. Particularly a guillotine strangle. Now there are different
types of guillotines. The one I'll perform is
a high elbow guillotine. So what that means is as I
connect my hands like so, I'm going to move my head
over to the far shoulder and lift my elbow and hand up high getting the hand as high as I can over the shoulder line. Could I strangle Logan on my feet? Possibly, but with someone
truly resisting, even untrained, it's tough. It's going to take a while and tell you the truth,
guillotine strangles do take a bit of time to work. The best way, to get the quickest results
of strangling someone with a guillotine is by
taking the fight to the ground and using your legs. I apply the high elbow position. I step towards my training partner, my bottom leg pivots and then I slide right into this clamp,
pulling my partner in, I push into the carotid. Applying a strangle and using my legs and applying this type of
motion for the squeeze. However, within this context,
Castle's fighting multiple assailants with weapons. Now, I understand why the neck breaking move was applied there. It was a means of getting
rid of the guy ASAP to move to the next person. That makes sense, even though in reality, it's not a real means of
dealing with that person. Another realistic option is taking the head and
smashing it against a jail bar. - Sure Hoping that that knocks the guy out and allows Castle to move
on to the next person. - I agree. - [Logan] Oh, slow motion
punched in the face. Bam. Oh.
- Okay. - Looks like another Fireman's carry. - Okay. So it looks like
Castle did modern style of a Kata Guruma Which we referenced off
our Kengan Ashura episode. Why don't we look at how
Castle performed his takedown. - Okay. - And how it would
realistically work compared to let's say a modern Kata Guruma In the battle, Castle, He drops down and what is
believed to be his right arm, he goes over to grab behind the leg. I'm assuming with the
momentum that he created, he used this tripping
mechanism and his force going forward to knock
the guy down. And when and what happens, he
rolls over the legs and comes to top position like so and proceeds to a punching action. Two issues here. There was no upper body
control that created kuzushi. Also known as off-balance-ment. To set up a connection like that. He just went in, grabbed
the leg and pushed through. I would think even with a untrained person who had some decent
balance, it wouldn't be that easy. So I don't, I
don't think that's valid. Two. If you're going to punch
someone without any protection, it's recommended you
don't use a closed fist. You could fracture your hand. So what are ways to replace that? Open Palm or Elbows? Those are two means of striking the face effectively with reducing
the chance of you fracturing anything in your arm. - [Logan] Frank's just going
wild on this guy's face Yeah picks up his weapon and bam, goodnight Gracie. So if given the option to use a tool versus your bare hand, use the tool. - [Logan] He's just eating those punches. - Yum. - [Chad] All right. - Oh. - Okay. - No, no, no. - Ugh. - So Castle just did an eye gouge. - Yes, he did. - Yes, he did. - Uh. That's really gross, but it is also very effective.
And here's the thing - you learn a lot of eye pokes when it when it comes to self-defense. Eye pokes and eye gouges
are very different things and one is very not effective. And one is very effective if you can
get yourself to do it. And it's pretty gross.
I don't know many people that can do it, but we'll talk about that. This is one of my personal pet peeves, as someone that teaches martial arts and has taken martial arts for pretty much his whole life. There are so many self-defense
teachers who would say, you know, just hit the
eye, just hit the eye. If you and I are truly in
a life and death fight, and I poked you in the eye. - I gotta eat that and move forward. There's there's no pausing. - Having said that, an eye
gouge will absolutely stop them Frank Castle basically shoved his thumb into the assailant's eye socket. It is incredibly brutal. In fact, even just doing that, I felt how brutal it was. However, it's very realistic
for Castle's character, He's done some brutal things, both in this series
and in the comic books. - That is, that is Frank Castle. - That is Frank Castle right there. So is that a valid move? 100%. Could you do it? I do not
want to meet you if you could. - [Logan] Okay. But that
guy is not stopping. He's not stopping. He's got his weapon. He's going in. - [Chad] Oh. - Oh, that is brutal. - [Logan] Castle is punching
the knife into the neck. That is devastating enough. But then he tears the knife out. - Yeah - Like that would have finished
it, but not for Castle. He wants to make sure. - Yeah - Oh yeah, let's make
it as gross as possible. - Oh yeah. - If Chad's coming towards me, I'm pushing out this knee as
he's coming forward. Boom. I catch him and notice that
it's a perfect shot here. Gravity itself. It's going to
help me push that weapon out. Not only penetrating,
but also slicing through. So I have his own body weight
helping me slice through. And that is definitely going
to be a fight finisher. I've always been a huge
fan of the Punisher. And I felt that this character
really came out in this scene because you can see he's focused on what he needs to do. He knows he's in trouble.
He's just like, screw it. I'm going to do this thing. Great really good use of weapons. We saw the number five attack the number eight attack. We
saw sewing machine attacks. It is exactly how I would envision a fight scene that happened in the narrow confines of a prison like that. I thought that was great. - With regards to the grappling, they do exist to a certain degree in the realm of reality. Obviously
there are certain points where that, I just don't think it's real, like breaking someone's neck that easily and maybe the takedown,
but I understand why they chose those actions. So that's cool. - That's why, because of all these things, I give it a B plus. It was a very good
scene. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good. And I feel that for this
universe and Frank Castle, it was very appropriate.
