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[MUSIC PLAYING] SUSAN MOLINARI: Thank you. And good afternoon. So I have a surprise for you. I'm not Kim Kardashian. [LAUGHTER] I have just totally embarrassed my daughter to no end. First of all, welcome. And thank you all for being here. Today, we're all here because we want to celebrate the freedom of an amazing woman who has made me cry at least seven times since I've been given the gift to get to know her in a very short period of time. And I can't wait for all of you to get to know Ms. Alice Johnson. She is a gift from heaven and to remind us why we're all here on Earth. Before I get any further with the remarks that I've prepared, which I'm clearly not going to stick to, I want to just say a big thank you to the family here. This is Ms. Alice Johnson's family. [APPLAUSE] So let me cut to the chase for just a second. So to those of you who don't know me, my name is Susan Molinari. I'm so beyond the point of why we're all here, except I run government affairs and public policy here at Google. And I've made some pretty smart decisions in my life, but one of my smartest was to ask a woman named Malika Saada Saar to come work with us at Google. [APPLAUSE] And you're going to be hearing from her. She's a human rights lawyer. And we got to know each other when she was working on a group dealing with underaged sex-trafficked young women here in the United States. I convinced her to come and have a bigger platform at Google and help us make some really important changes by using the products, and the people, and the heart and soul of Google. And she has gone a long way to work with so many groups. And at the end, I'm going to thank them all-- but our Everyone for Justice Group, which is a bunch of volunteers that helps out, our dot-org people here, with Jacquelline Fuller and Justin Steele and others who give up their time and their money. Andy's going to come up and talk a little bit about all the work that BrandLab has been doing, a labor of love. So I want to thank everybody for helping us celebrate Ms. Alice's freedom and to say thank you to everybody who made this freedom possible. I never thought that we'd have an opportunity to say, in person, thank you to Kim Kardashian West for the fact that she went to see the President of the United States and asked him to look into the situation of this woman, this amazing woman you're going to meet, who ended up serving 21 years of a lifetime sentence in jail for a first-time, non-felony drug offense. If she had committed that crime today, few of us doubt she would even spent a day in jail. But retroactivity isn't part of the game. So she kept herself together. She kept her spirits together. And again, her family kept that hope alive so that she knew, when she was coming home, she was coming home to such a loving and supportive family. And what so many people who are dealing in this have told me is the difference between those who make it and those who don't are the support structure outside the jail. So again, thank you for keeping our star together so that she can continue to shine a light on all of us. So I've been asked, just very briefly, to set the stage for why Google is involved in criminal justice reform. So working out of Washington, DC, Malika and I have recognized that it is really one of the few bipartisan issues-- House, Senate, Republicans, Democrats, governors throughout the state, local leaders who understand that the Criminal Justice Project that we have in the United States-- our system is anything but just and that it needs a lot of-- as David Drummond once said, if there's anything that needs disrupting, and we're disruptors, it's the criminal justice system. It is a system that works for very few people. And certainly, based on your socioeconomics, your color, and your gender, it's not going to work for you at all. And so what we started to do was look into ways that we, as Google, could help this. So we walked the walk. I think many of you know Google bans the box where we don't ask people if they've served any jail on their job applications. We have banned bail bonds ads, which keep many people together and owe exorbitant prices by promises. And we didn't want to make money off that in any way, shape, or form at Google. And then we decided that it was time to do something more, to take our products to tell a story, because we're convinced that the people in this country are good people and that, if they knew the truth about what goes on in our criminal justice system, they would be enraged and demand change. If they knew for a fact that there's over 30 states that still allow women to be shackled when they're giving birth, they would be angry. If they knew that there are women in this country who have to deal with whether they should make a phone call to their family or buy sanitary napkins or tampons because they are considered, by our prison system, as non-essential, every woman in this country would be very mad. If they knew that the people at Rikers, one of the worst places in this country, are consistent of 80% of individuals who have not seen trial yet, innocent until proven guilty, but spending years of their lives behind bars because the only thing they can be convicted of at that point is not having enough money to make bail or get a good lawyer-- so what we decided at Google was the problem is nobody hears them, nobody sees them, right? We want to turn a blind eye to all those injustices. But we have the products at Google, particularly YouTube, that allows us to crawl behind the wall and get behind the prison gates so that we can tell their story and give them voice. And that's what we did here and what we're continuing to do. So just very briefly, and then I'm off the stage, we went with YouTube, and with the help of Andy, to put together a video where Ms. Alice spoke behind bars and behind glass on a phone and talked about what 21 years away from her family, her children, her grandchildren, now her great-grandchildren, have been for an offense that she wished she never made, but just wants to get out of prison to be with her family again. She talked about all the other inmates that are in there in the very same situation. And then there was a group called [INAUDIBLE] she challenged everybody who watched to go out there and tell these stories to give faces to the faceless, to give voices to those people who feel like no one else cares. And there was a creator called mic.com, who wrote an op-ed on behalf of Ms. Alice with our Google team. And that's what Kim Kardashian saw and what she took to the President of the United States. So Google, you helped do this. You helped to free this woman so that she can bear witness to the stories that need to be told. So congratulations, Google, first of all. Yes, give everybody a round of applause here. [APPLAUSE] In closing, just let me say, today we celebrate, but we acknowledge our work. There's so much more to do. There's so many more souls who are waiting to be rescued. And we know that when we celebrate Ms. Johnson and thank these advocacy organizations, who are also here, to whom we honor with their presence, who have stood fast behind individuals like Ms. Alice before Google ever got there and kept their spirits up, we're honored to be here with all of you. Thank you. So clearly, there are still too many women, men, and children who are made to feel powerless, and then whose families are scarred and scared, and then whose neighborhoods are broken, and then whose country is not living up to its full destiny. So with that, I want to thank you all for being here to allow us to tell this story. And now I want to introduce one of our partners, Andy [? Berndt ?] who, most of you know, is from BrandLab, who has sort of taken this up. He has been to, I think, four or five prisons already-- is going to San Quentin next week-- has used his genius to help tell this story and help put together a lot of what reached the imagination of individuals throughout this country to help tell Ms. Alice's story and so many others behind bars. He has really been instrumental at Google in leading our commitment to justice. Andy? [APPLAUSE] [? ANDY BERNDT: ?] Good job. Good job. SUSAN MOLINARI: I give big hug. [? ANDY BERNDT: ?] How about that? OK, still not Kim Kardashian. [LAUGHTER] Just to be clear. So I'm only up here for a few minutes, I promise. What I wanted to say, though, was I would say about three years ago, during a lot of the really tough Black Lives Matter moments, we got together as a team in New York. And a lot of Googlers, a lot of people on the team, were feeling really horrible, deeply horrible. And through a lot of conversations what we realized was-- and maybe we knew this a little bit, but we didn't know it enough-- that we really didn't have enough understanding and empathy about the way lots of people live. And Google, at its best-- my favorite thing about Google is if you look around hard enough, you will find a genius in any field. And they work somewhere at Google. And you have to get [INAUDIBLE] troll and all those sorts of things. But you will find them. And we were lucky enough that, with the help of a few friends, we we had families of incarcerated people come in. We had previously incarcerated people come in. We had all kinds of people come in and just talk with us. So we knew a lot of people by first name from a world that a lot of us didn't really understand. I was going explain how then Malika came to the scene. And I just asked her, how did we meet? And she said, well, you were looking for a bathroom. And you came in this conference room, and you were like, what? And that's how we met. So that's not really that great a story. However, I must say about Malika-- I think we've gone to four prisons now-- Detroit, women's prison in New Jersey. We're going to San Quentin next week. Malika's a special person. She is the kind of person that you feel so lucky to know, to meet, to have known, to have worked with. She will take you under her spell, and you will find that you do things, whether you want to or not, because she's told you to do them. And she's amazing. It makes me proud to work here because I get to finally work with people like Malika. She's probably embarrassed at this. But tough, she deserves it. My ability to get my group involved in things that are meaningful to them, that are important, that they feel are worth everything they put into them, even if they're a 2%, 3%, 5% effort, makes all the difference. And it's all informal. It's all people just meeting people. If you want to get involved, I think Maab will talk about how to do that. But if you have the ability to get involved in any kind of these efforts, just do. Just get it started. All it needs is a few friends and someone who cares. And people will back you up. So I'm supposed to also introduce a video and mostly get off the stage. You'll see a video here that's kind of made by a whole lot of people, pieces from all over. It's nice that it was one of the things that kicked this whole thing into motion, with a lot of other elements that eventually led to the amazing moment of Ms. Alice leaving prison. So I won't stand in the way anymore. We can play this video. And then she'll come out and chat. Thanks. [APPLAUSE] [VIDEO PLAYBACK] [MUSIC PLAYING] ALICE JOHNSON: In 1996, my life drastically changed forever. I was convicted as a first-time, non-violent drug offender and sentenced to life in federal prison. I'd always thought that only the most heinous crimes warranted a life without parole sentence. I have the exact same sentence as Charles Manson. DAVID DRUMMOND: We like to think of Google as a platform for disruptive innovation. And if there's anything that needs to be disrupted today, it's the system of mass incarceration. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: This issue is at the center of all of our work, and communities, and lives. It is not marginal. JOHN LEGEND: To end the human suffering caused by mass incarceration, we have to make love the focus. I am honored to present these love letters from children to their incarcerated fathers. SPEAKER 1: Dear dad-- SPEAKER 2: It has been eight years since I saw you last. SPEAKER 3: I want to express myself to you. I haven't done it in a long time. SPEAKER 4: I just wanted to tell you how much I love and miss you. SPEAKER 5: I want you to see me graduate next year. SPEAKER 6: Going to attend college in the fall. SPEAKER 7: Happy Father's Day, dad. SPEAKER 8: Happy Father's Day, dad. SPEAKER 9: Your one and only baby girl. ALICE JOHNSON: Google is a company that has been greatly blessed, to whom much is given, much is required. When you use your voice, people listen. When you champion a cause, our leadership listens. You may say, am I my brother's or sister's keeper? And I say you today, if not you, then who? If not now, then when? [MUSIC PLAYING] [END PLAYBACK] AUDIENCE: Whoo! [APPLAUSE] [CHEERING] MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Hey, everybody. Welcome. It's such a wonderful honor to have all of you with us, to have this moment with Ms. Alice and Kim Kardashian. I'm going to put my mom hat on and first say, we cannot have any video or pictures going on. And if you do it, security is going to tell you to leave. So understood. With that, it is my absolute honor, and privilege, and pleasure, to introduce you to Alice Marie Johnson and Kim Kardashian. Please? [APPLAUSE] [CHEERING] Ms. Alice, I want to start with you. I want us to get grounded in the hard part first. Ms. Alice, when I first saw you behind bars to this moment here, you have been unbowed, unbroken, and mighty. ALICE JOHNSON: Thank you. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: But most of us here, we don't know what the inside of a jail or prison looks like. Most of us here, we don't know what it feels like to have a loved one behind bars. So I want you to ground us in and start us out by talking about what it's like to be in a human cage, what it's like to be there for two decades, as a mother, and as a grandmother. ALICE JOHNSON: As a mother, as a grandmother, a great-grandmother, a sister, a daughter, an aunt, if any of you can just imagine having your mother away from you for almost 22 years, what that would feel like, to have the person who is truly-- we, as mothers, know that a mother is really the nucleus, not downplaying any role that a man does in the home. But to have your mother, the one who kisses the boo-boos and gives you the little comfort that you need-- to be separated from my children was an ache that I cannot even describe to you. I look at pictures-- coming back home after this time in prison, I look at pictures that I'm missing from. I look at moments that my children have to share with me that I've missed. One thing that I did not ever do-- and I never stopped being mama to my children. And I tried to be there for them. They still depended upon me for advice. And they shared moments. But just not physically being there-- there's nothing that I can describe to you that pain. And also, one of the things that my children and my family never knew-- they never knew how heartbreaking. It was heartbreaking for them when I'd call home on a holiday. And I'd have to let tears fall, talking to them, but keep a smile in my voice so that they wouldn't be sad. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: And Kim, you first found out about Ms. Alice because of this digital op-ed that she did that went viral. Can you talk about what that was like to see that image of her? And also, why did you decide to take action? KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Seeing that video that you guys saw a clip of, that's what I saw. And someone that I follow on Twitter posted it. And I happened to be on my phone at that exact moment. So I always say, Ms. Alice found me. And I just connected with who I saw, and not even having to meet her. I come from a big family. And hearing about her family, I thought, well, what wouldn't my mom have done to feed her children? Now, me being a mom, I would do anything to feed my children. So I know that in a case like that, we're all just a bad decision away from maybe being in a position like Alice was in. And to hear her say-- what was so clear to me is she got the same exact sentence as Charles Manson-- that's insanity. That's just our system failing us. So if I felt like I had the power to make a phone call and I can possibly change someone's life, I was going to try. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: And you talked about, sometimes, that's an issue of courage. So where did you find that courage to take that act? KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Honestly, for me, it was just something that I felt I had to do. I feel like the courageous part might have been more my husband speaking out. I think his support kind of opened the door for me to be able for them to really answer my call and get me through the door. So I'm really well aware of that. And it wasn't even a question. It was just I felt like I had that connection, and I was going to try. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: So my understanding is that you were the first person to tell Ms. Alice that she had been granted clemency. Is that right? KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Yes, it is. And I thought she knew already because I had told her attorneys. So when they connected us on the phone, I was in the middle of a photo shoot. And I-- [LAUGHTER] --a nude shoot. It will probably be my last one. But it kind of shook me up that I got the call from the president. I had to grab a robe-- [LAUGHTER] --and then call Ms. Alice. Luckily, we were filming my show. So we'll see that really special moment. But I was kind of shocked because I thought she knew. And so when I got on the phone, she was so calm. And I think she thought it was a regular check-in call with her attorneys. And then I said, Ms. Alice, you don't know? You're free. You're going home. And it was screaming and crying for maybe three minutes straight. And I was trying to not cry my makeup off because I had spent three hours in makeup. [LAUGHTER] It's true. It sounds crazy. ALICE JOHNSON: I went crazy. [LAUGHTER] I think I was jumping so high, I almost hit that tall ceiling. [LAUGHTER] MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Usually, in clemency situations, there is a period of time between when you've been granted the clemency and then when you are able to walk out of prison. But you walked out within hours of finding out. ALICE JOHNSON: Uh-huh. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: You told me the story of what it was like to walk out of that prison. ALICE JOHNSON: Yes. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Can you share that with us? ALICE JOHNSON: Yes. When I walked out of prison, it sounded like an earthquake. [LAUGHTER] The women there-- there are three buildings with four different housing units, so you've got 12 units-- every single woman-- I'm going to say every single woman-- was at the window, or trying to climb over someone. They were beating the window with cups. They were screaming. They were shouting for me. All you could hear was this huge sound, this big sound. And as we drove out, the women at the camp-- they weren't in the building, locked down. But the women at the camp were all lined up. They were all lined up, all of the campers. There were officers lined up. People were screaming. They were crying. They were waving. It was the most incredible going out. It was the most incredible experience, looking at all of the support that I had from the women who were still incarcerated. And that's one image, Malika, that is still stuck in my mind, in my mind's eye-- the faces of those women who have been left behind. And that is one of the reasons that you will see me on any platform that they will allow me to use my voice to champion this cause of criminal justice reform. [APPLAUSE] MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Because you talk about the joy of freedom-- ALICE JOHNSON: Yes. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: --of being reconnected to your family. But you also talk about how you are haunted by the women you left behind. ALICE JOHNSON: Yes. I told them when I left-- I left a letter for them. I scribbled a quick letter to tell them that I would never forget them, I would never stop fighting for them, because they have been tattooed on my heart. And I cannot forget them because it's bigger than me. And when I speak, I humanize the issue. It's easy to read about someone and just think about, well, that was a sad story, and forget them. But when you see my face, you see their faces. And it's pretty hard to forget someone who has experienced what I've experienced and to see me. My family is here today. All of my children are here. You hear the little babies over there? Those are my grand-twins. My two sisters are here. This is a moment that they never expected to see, something like this happening for me. And to have them share in this moment with me means so much. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Yes. So Kim, Ms. Alice's freedom is not the end of your efforts, right? You have raised up the story of Cyntoia Brown. And if I could just, for a moment, talk about Cyntoia Brown, who was bought and sold for sex as a child in this country and, out of self-defense, killed one of the men who purchased her and is now serving a life sentence. And she is representative of so many girls, especially our black and brown girls, who are bought and sold for sex and criminalized, instead of seen as victims of commercial serial rape. You have talked about her. You have talked about Chris Young, who is serving a life sentence for a drug felony. Can you tell us more about-- KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: A minor drug felony. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: A minor-- that's right. KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Marijuana and a half of a gram of cocaine. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: So talk to us about these individuals and why you are seeking clemency for them. KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Just meeting Alice and knowing that she just represented the fact that there are thousands of women and men like Alice that-- it's just the system is completely broken. And knowing that I was able to make a change, but also seeing the president maybe a week before I went in, say something horrific, like-- I don't even know what the quote was, but something that he would-- being super hard on crime and drugs and thinking that there was no hope. And then going there and having him hear Alice's story and completely hear me and understand that there was a big, big problem in the system, and then talking to Jared so much, who I have a really good relationship with and who has really been pushing this whole thing, and prison reform, and the FIRST STEP Act-- and everyone's really getting behind it. And that's our goal, is to pass bills and get the president to endorse these bills that will change so many people's lives. So I just felt like I saw hope when I went in there. And I feel like what I had to say and what our team of attorneys that we've been working with that really helped me with the messaging-- I couldn't do it without Brittany, who's here, and cut50, and everyone that I work with-- I saw hope in the White House, that they wanted to make a change. It just really made me feel like I couldn't stop and that, if I had a voice and we were able to do what we did with Alice, that I just want to encourage everyone. You know, I always say this. And Van Jones and I talk about this all the time. For people that don't want to go to the White House, I completely understand if you don't agree with the policies, like myself. I might not agree with everything that goes on, but I couldn't wait four more years or eight more years to help save Alice or the people inside. And if you ask Alice or if you ask anybody inside if they care who the president is, or if they want you to wait four more years or eight more years, I guarantee you they would all say no. So I just want to be the voice to encourage other people to step up and other people to use their voice to speak to the White House and make changes. And our voices are powerful. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: And this is a hard time for criminal justice reform because we do have an AG, we do have Jeff Sessions, who does believe in mandatory minimums and who has not been an advocate of reform. But part of what you are able to do, because of your following on social media, because of your presence in popular culture, is to raise awareness, is to name the issue of mass incarceration. Can you just tell us a little bit more about Chris Young and allow us to understand why his life is important to know, and what has happened to him, as well as Cyntoia Brown? KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Yeah. So Chris Young has been in prison for almost nine years. And he is 30 years old. He made bad choices-- low-level drug offender. He had marijuana. On the floor of his car, he had, like, crumbs of cocaine. And so they couldn't even measure it, so they just said it was half a gram. And he had two previous really low-level charges, like the one that he was charged with. And so they gave him life. And he has sickle cell anemia. He's been in and out of hospitals-- two hip replacements. And even just what Alice said-- Chris has the same sentence as Charles Manson. That just, to me, sounds so insane. So anyone that I can bring light to, just to share how he's in-- because of mandatory minimums, the judge sentenced him to life. And since then, the judge has resigned. And the judge came with me to the White House to talk to the president about how he could not live with himself having to sentence these young men and women for life over really low-level drug crimes. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: That's right. That's right. Ms. Alice, you are free now. And it's only been four months, right? ALICE JOHNSON: Yes. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: So can you talk to us about what is the work for you in trying to fight mass incarceration, in trying to talk about the ways in which our families, our communities, have been broken because of the very real costs of this type of over-criminalization? ALICE JOHNSON: The main thing-- I believe the main purpose that I'm serving in lifting up my voice and showing you my face is to humanize this issue. Someone has to humanize this issue so that you just don't read about a person, you just don't see some numbers or a profile that someone has fed you about a person, that you see me. You see my family. You see my friends. You see others when you see me. And I must continue to fight for this issue because, as I asked Google, and you came up to the challenge, if not you, then who? If not me, then who? MALIKA SAADA SAAR: That's right. That's right. So Kim, how do we get more celebrities and influencers to do the activist work, to try to disrupt mass incarceration the way you are doing? KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Well, I do see people like John Legend and Common are very vocal and do speak up about mass incarceration all the time. I've visited a prison with Common. I know they're very passionate about the same thing. My husband is going to the White House tomorrow. And I know he's bringing up the topic as well. And it's something he's really passionate about. So I personally just urge people to-- it's a tough situation because the president has said, if anyone wants to talk to me about clemencies and they want to talk to me about prison reform, I'm here. Come and talk to me. So for me, I've seen that that has become a reality. And like I mentioned earlier, I don't think the people inside want to wait those years. ALICE JOHNSON: No. KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: So I just would urge people to talk to the president, to talk to Jared Kushner, to continue to speak out through social media. Share stories. If I hadn't been on social media, I wouldn't have seen Alice's story. So even people just passing along stories-- reach out to me. I'm not afraid to go to the White House. Let me know. I'll take a story there. ALICE JOHNSON: I just want to say this, too, is it took a lot of courage on the part of Kim to go to the White House. It takes courage to do something. It takes courage to act. To be an activist means that you've got to act. You've got to do something. You just can't turn your head, as Kim said, and wait another four years, or six years, or eight years until you do something about this. As I've said before, you've got to be willing to sit down with the person with the power of the pen. If you had a life-threatening disease, you would not care who the doctor was who saved your life. And I don't care who it was who brought me out, who signed my papers. I don't care. I'm so thankful to be sitting here looking out at this audience today. And I hope that others will get the courage to do something, to act, and to take this cause up, because people very lives are dependent upon them and are dependent upon you. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Absolutely. And it's not just about the White House, right? ALICE JOHNSON: No, it's not. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: It really is about how part of the war on drugs was dehumanizing. ALICE JOHNSON: It was. It was demonized. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Demonized and dehumanizing, right? ALICE JOHNSON: Dehumanized. That's right. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: And we had certain individuals, and communities, and families seen as predators and given sentences that were disproportional and unjust. And it seems like so much of the work is also about changing popular culture. ALICE JOHNSON: It has. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Reframing what the war on drugs really was about. ALICE JOHNSON: That's true. I believe that there should be punishment for crime. There should be punishment. And as I've said this before, people are quick to say, you do the crime, you do the time. Don't cry now. But that time should also be fair and just, based on the crime, not unjust. [APPLAUSE] So I don't believe that the communities were safer because I spent almost 22 years of my life behind bars-- a first-time, non-violent offender, no criminal history, no convictions, no trials, nothing of any kind, was a productive member of society until that one mistake. A bad call on my part, but it should not have cost me my life. And if it had not been for someone having the courage, who's sitting on my right hand right now, Kim Kardashian, to take up my cause and go to the White House-- [APPLAUSE] But I also want you to know that, behind Kim, there is a group of advocates who are out here today to support me. It takes that. It took them also-- every little piece of every little thing that was done was building up to what Kim was able to go in and do. This didn't just start. People have been fighting for me. So they're here today. Many of them are here today, not all. So thank you, too, advocates. Thank you. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Yes. Yes. ALICE JOHNSON: Thank you, Google. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Well, a lot of what we were able to do, we could not have done without Topeka Sam, because part of-- [APPLAUSE] Part of what we were able to do at that YouTube summit was to use a YouTube platform that Topeka figured out and taught us how to use to bring you in from behind bars. And there was that power of seeing you, not just hearing about your story in words, but actually bearing witness to you in the prison jumpsuit, on the phone, speaking to us, that was transformational. And I think for you, as well, if her story, if Ms. Alice's story, were a written op-ed about her life, as opposed to a digital one, it might not have had the same impact. KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Seeing her face, seeing her emotions, hearing her voice-- just, I remember when Shawn Holley wrote me and had her first phone conversation with you. She just said, you have to hear her sweet voice. I can't wait for you to have a phone conversation with her. And it's true. Just seeing that, seeing your emotions just really connected with me. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: I always talk about-- I'm a human rights lawyer. And part of what you get trained in human rights law is to document the story. You document the story of abuse so that the world may bear witness. And part of what Topeka helped us to do with our technology was to be able to scale that prison wall so that we could bear witness to what you were suffering. ALICE JOHNSON: Yes. My voice was free, my face was free, my image was free before I was free. AUDIENCE: Yeah. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: That's right. AUDIENCE: Wow. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: That's right. [APPLAUSE] So we've recognized how Google has played a small, but important role in your freedom. But Ms. Alice, you called on us from behind bars. You called on us, as a company, to take action and to take responsibility. ALICE JOHNSON: Yes. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Right? And you said to us, to whom much is given, much is required. And Kim, you are living out that notion of to whom much is given, much is required in your activism for justice reform. I want to know from both of you, what more can tech do around the issue of justice reform? KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: Just seeing videos like that and putting it out there on social media-- I mean, I do get how social media can be very mentally challenging at times when you see a lot of negativity. But if I were to take in all the negativity that I've received over the decade of me being in the business to that moment where I saw Alice's video, it's all worth it. So I think, you know, it's true. [APPLAUSE] I think social media's very powerful. And it's just like anything. If you take it in doses and if you use it in the right way-- I've been able to connect with so many people over social media. And I'm so grateful for it. So I think if people could just share more and share their stories more-- even seeing in the video that you guys posted of the love letters, I think, that John Legend was sharing, was so touching because so many people are affected by it, people that you wouldn't even imagine. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Mm-hm. That's so True. ALICE JOHNSON: I don't think Googlers who are here today really realize the role that this company played in my freedom. Are they aware of the role that they played? MALIKA SAADA SAAR: You talk more about it. ALICE JOHNSON: OK. [LAUGHTER] The Google event that I spoke at that was Skyped out-- a person who was sitting in the audience saw me. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: I have to say we did it on a YouTube platform, because I'll get in trouble if I allow you to say "Skype." ALICE JOHNSON: OK. OK. [LAUGHTER] Anyway, I just want you to know that Google-- [LAUGHTER] I just want you to know that Google did play a role as a catalyst for my freedom. So thank you. You've welcomed me here today. But I want to tell you, Google, I love you, Google. I love you, Googlers. I think it's OK to say that. [APPLAUSE] Without telling the whole story, just know that you were a catalyst. You played a role in my freedom. And today, I was able to meet some of the behind-the-scene people at Google who played a role and give them a hug. And I want to give all of you a virtual hug now. Those who I have not seen, some-- I know this has been live-streamed-- I'm very grateful to the role that Google played in my being a free woman today. And technology is so-- to get back to what you said-- technology-- had that technology been in place-- it was my timing. It was the exact time. When I went into prison, there was no social media. There was no Facebook. There was no internet. So my understanding now of just how big this is, to have all of these followers-- I have some followers myself now. [LAUGHTER] [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] To understand how this works-- and one follower can have-- just one follower can have a lot of followers, who have a lot of followers, who can get this message out. So technology plays a huge role-- now that I know something about technology-- it plays a huge role in getting the message out. It played a role in my freedom. And it's going to play, it is going to play, a big role in the freedom of others. AUDIENCE: Right. ALICE JOHNSON: Right. AUDIENCE: Right. [APPLAUSE] MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Are there any other parting words of wisdom that you want to give us? You, Kim? KIM KARDASHIAN WEST: No. I'm just-- I'm grateful for the opportunity to be here today and to sit next to Ms. Alice. It's always so amazing to get to see her family. And that's what we're fighting for-- is for more people to get the opportunities to see, and touch, and be with their loved ones again. ALICE JOHNSON: Mm-hm. Absolutely. ALICE JOHNSON: My parting words to the audience here is that one person can make a difference. That one person could be you. AUDIENCE: Yes. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: Thank you. Thank you. [APPLAUSE] Well, I want to end with gratitude. I'm so grateful to you for showing us the best of who we are, as a company I'm so grateful for how you have been through hell and back and always insisted on dignity and grace. I am grateful to you for that example. ALICE JOHNSON: Thank you, Malika. MALIKA SAADA SAAR: And I am grateful to you, Kim, for your courage to be an activist, to be able to be a voice against the over-criminalization of our families and our communities. Thank you. It is an example that you set that we all have to adhere to and recognize. And I also want to express gratitude not only to this remarkable community of Googlers that I'm honored to be part of, but some particular Googlers who are part of the Justice for Everyone team that helped make this day happen. And a special shout-out and love to Charniece Huff, who pulls together this team. [APPLAUSE] For those of you who want to help us continue the work around insisting on justice reform and Google's role towards that, I hope that you will be part of Justice for Everyone. I'm going to ask Maab Ibrahim from .org to come up here. And as she comes up here, I want us to also recognize that part of the work that we have done at Google to disrupt the human costs of mass incarceration is also the work of .org, and the leadership of Jacquelline Fuller, and Justin Steele to be able to-- [APPLAUSE] --commit to $35 million in funding to justice reform organizations, and also to make clear that this is part of who we are at Google. So I want to thank them, as part of my gratitude for your leadership as well. With that, thank you, everyone. And Maab, if you can come join? [APPLAUSE]
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Channel: Talks at Google
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Keywords: talks at google, ted talks, inspirational talks, educational talks, Kim Kardashian West on Criminal Justice Reform, Kim Kardashian West, Criminal Justice Reform, Alice Johnson, broken criminal justice system, mass incarceration
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Length: 47min 52sec (2872 seconds)
Published: Tue Oct 23 2018
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