Kevin Love on The Playoffs, Mental Health and Playing w/ LeBron | w/ JJ Redick & Tommy Alter

all right welcome to the old man and the three presented by cash app episode seven kevin love kevin thank you for joining us i appreciate you having this beautiful home this is our first uh in-person podcast we've done since march so we're pretty excited about this amazing we are at uh we're at my house out here in sag harbor um you've been spending the last uh couple months out here as well uh did you have any did you have any fomo any jealousy from from missing out on playing in the bubble yes and i think a lot of the reason was because like you know it's just you know over 10 years now in the league and it was just taken away from me like that my 12th season it just ended abruptly i think uh on top of that we have young guys like a darius garland a kevin porter jr colin sexton like guys in their first or second year 19 or 20 years old who uh you know whether it be kpj or whether it be darius darius only played four games at vandy yeah and then kpj he was suspended didn't play that many games at usc so like they didn't even get to get go through the league twice you know get get to figure different guys out people didn't figure them out we just got a new coach and jb bicker staff so we were actually i think we were five and six or five and seven and 11 or 12 games where jb was the coach after the all-star break so that in itself is tough so we felt like we were just building you know baby steps in order to get to you know bigger and larger steps but then it just ended so for me personally being 31 years old my 12th year in the league that hurt and on top of that as a team an accumulation it was really tough from a coaching perspective uh you know uh overall organization perspective but especially for our young guys it's like you know you have to go through that push through a wall in order to you know get to that next step i mean i know i i certainly did i had so many failures my rookie year my sophomore season and then finally got over the hump but it's just tough for those guys but everybody included who didn't make the bubble but i wasn't there so i don't even know what it was like phoenix phoenix is a good example of like the advent we don't know what's gonna happen but the advantage is you would think they're going to have next year because this run i'm making the playoffs is is huge yeah i mean they got to finish they got to finish the season and the young guys got experience 100 and i love how they play it's just going to be are they going to be able to have a continuation of how they play because out of all the teams in the league and you guys do it too especially with lonzo you just hit a head you hit ahead and you play you try to get a layup and you have great passers whether it's bi they're getting downhill zion he's taking the big guy it's almost like blake used to do run out of head yeah and you had this monster coming at you and you either have to foul him you put him at the line or you have a great passer who's hitting guys for threes and that's really conducive to a lot of success for you as well so i mean it's it's something that would have been great for us to be a part of but you know understanding where we are as a league and trying to get you know the play in teams and uh you know just knowing that we wouldn't have an opportunity to to even make the playoffs on top of trying to stay safe with eight less teams i i get it makes sense i'm not gonna lie i'm i'm jealous that i'm not in the playoffs right yeah i mean i had this i had this moment after we lost to san antonio where the realization was we weren't going to be in the playoffs um and it you know it was sort of emotional and then in watching the games and seeing that level of basketball you you feel a jealousy i think there's two components to that there's the jealousy of not being able to compete and then there's the jealousy of relevancy and feeling irrelevant and feeling very small do you get that and i think particularly with you i think four straight finals right yeah and then to go from that to not even being in the bubble yeah that's a big jump so that's actually exactly what i was gonna say and on top of that we don't even know if we're gonna be playing until next march like i know that's excessive but you know to get you know understand the business side like gate revenue getting everybody healthy if we're gonna you know game seven it's october 12th that's the last day the season can end i think they came out even today or yesterday and said the league that we're not starting december first and we i didn't think that was the case maybe for for ratings and not competing with football that sort of thing we or the nfl we might start on christmas obviously a great day to start um but yeah i think as far as relevancy uh you know the abrupt ending to a to a 12th season and going from and you've been there before like a really competing for some meaningful games that's really it's been really hard for me not to be competing and playing in meaningful games so like i went from six years of not making the playoffs in minnesota and i had i had a actually when you said you know i had this feeling of we're not going to make the playoffs and what that was like against san antonio i had that happen to me i believe it was my sixth year we were in memphis and we were right there but this is when the western conference was like 47 48 games you're the eighth seed you're san antonio one seed playing the eighth seed which is dallas and dallas still had dirk they had sean marion they had jason kit they were a great team tyson chandler still the whole thing so yeah it's it hurts it definitely hurts and as far as like getting into our you know own bubble and you know playing against the other eight teams that's just not the same it's just not the same as compe i'm watching the games now like luca last night was unbelievable donovan mitchell had 50 again in the same series like basketball at that level there's just nothing like it when you're competing like that we're gonna talk about luke in a second i remember very specifically in my free agency meeting with doc it's good wine by the way thank you by the way we're going to talk about the wine too in a second the uh i remember my free agency meeting with doc i had played my last year about 50-some games for orlando we weren't going anywhere and then i went to milwaukee we got the eight seat as like a 37 and 45 team and the thing that i kept saying to him in the meeting was like i just want to feel relevant again i want to be on a team that is going to make a run because we had had so many good years in orlando where you get to may and you're still playing and you play meaningful games throughout the year and the feeling of playing mean like meaningless games it's just so unfamiliar um and so that was really important and oddly enough the team that you know i was supposed to go to instead of the clippers was the timberwolves with you yeah um that first couple years before you went to uh before you went to cleveland the west i remember one year two through six had 56 wins i know we were the three c through a tiebreaker we played san antonio in the first round they were the six seat and had 56 wins no it's it's it was an unbelievable time to be in the west and then you know like you said the east if you have 32 wins you're the eight seat it's crazy i was like we're far enough east that the timberwolves could be you know in the eastern conference but no that was a really crazy time in the league it was so stacked but now it's been a little bit of a paradigm shift and and you have some sort of you know continuity on both sides and balance on both sides i mean a lot of these teams are great look at toronto look at boston look at milwaukee i mean it seems like that's there doesn't it still feel top-heavy though because you think about that you think about these in the in the west versus think about the teams in the west that didn't make the absolutely versus no disrespect to them but the nets made the playoffs without their two best players right and they and they had a team that was they played they played with a ton of heart in those bubble games but from a talent level there's no comparison between right that nets team and some of the teams in the dallas and your team well or dallas is the seventh season in the world yeah the 17 in the west or the spurs or a team like that or the suns who went on that run and so there is still a little bit of a disparity yeah there is a disparity and you look at even teams trying to play in i mean on both sides there was what five in the west one in the east so even from that perspective it's like you have such a discrepancy even from you know the eight nine seat all the way down from you know 10 through 15. yeah so there is yeah i think there still is a discrepancy but the ground that's been made up is is pretty substantial i'd say in the last few years but you know i came into the league and it was so as i always talked about my welcome to the nba moment was tim duncan that was our third game into uh maybe a career and you know we played a double overtime game they beat us tony parker has 55 and i'm playing against you know he's the most you know tim duncan i think he's the greatest power forward of all time i think a lot of people would agree with that and this is the center okay too hard of a call i think he was the center okay center okay pf slash center right depending on what the all nba team calls for uh but he i remember looking up i'm like he's 27 and 17 like what is going on like there was a lot of games in throughout my career when i played against him and that was the case he was six blocks like he just does it and you don't even know that that's happening but you have you know blake with the clippers you have pow and bynum with the lakers you have uh you know zebo and memphis you have paul millsap and carlos boozer with utah you have lamarcus in portland you have uh you know channing frye and gort in phoenix who are you know they're still running you know up and down eight seconds or less at the end of that and it was at least you know even at my position it was very very top-heavy as well as far as power forwards went in in the western conference so every single night i didn't have a night off who was the guy that was the hardest guy to go against uh kg without a doubt i mean and i feel like a lot of guys say zebo like blake has told me by the way i'll say this that's that's actually yeah a great point like coming into league within my first 11 i think it might have been dozen games i played uh tim duncan twice dirk and kevin garnett and had to match up against them like right away right so i'm playing uh you know dallas in dallas against dirk and dirk's mvp right like at that caliber top three or four every single year and then kg that's the year they won the championship but you know here comes this rookie he's a top five pick kg was the number five pick he's a power forward he's in minnesota like you know what he wanted to do with me like it's and i had to go against that and he was uh you know he was defensive player of the year that year and they won the title so was he was he barking at you oh yeah yeah he barked at me he just uh i mean one of the best competitors the game's ever seen but he's always yeah always barking how many times throughout the course of your basketball career going back to even when when you were a kid uh have you been called a bitch-ass white boy i've been called a bitch-ass white boy a lot uh s-mid white boy white white boy you ain't [ __ ] uh look at this punk-ass white boy who the who who's got the chomp you know it's like white men can't jump so who's got the chub that's like oh he can actually play i mean i feel like you can relate to that it's like i mean it's just it's funny i don't take any offense to that neither do i i've never taken even as a 13 year old guy yeah he's just i mean those two guys were just comp it just is what it is competing it's like i just in the in the spirit of competition and you saw harold come up to luca the next game was like yo it's just it's it is this is part of the game it's part of the playoffs you talk [ __ ] i thought kenny smith had the best take on this i didn't hear what he said he basically said that the reason it's not that big of a deal is because it's not racist because there's no power in what he said correct whereas him saying that he's not he's not keeping luka from doing anything right yeah but i also believe racism is sort of putting one race above the other i mean he's not doing i'm gonna put barriers in place no so that this race can't have the same opportunities i have and listen i don't think he was but maybe you know there's been times in my career where i've been a punk ass white boy i mean like it just is what it is what about a bitch-ass white bitch-ass white boy i don't know if i've ever taken it that far but no i th this is what like i always think about things in life in general let alone basketball like in terms of intent his his intent was not he wasn't saying anything racist it wasn't intentional in that way he was just like you know i'm getting the better of you you called me a flopper earlier we're in a heated battle we're winning i'm busting your like it's that's just what it is i have no problem with that can you try to put into context what we've witnessed with luca during this series because the numbers are historical and he's not just getting those numbers he's getting those numbers against a great defensive team a top five defensive team with two of the best wing defenders in the nba and they're checking him they're guarding him like going against you know a team like that and and i mean you've seen uh doc especially how he prepares for first hand how he prepares for playoff games ty lue is great ty lue it's like okay we were not under achieving regular season team but when it came time for playoffs he's like i got this he's like everything that he set up for us he just had a a brilliant mind for you know his schemes and and uh you know his x's and o's his uh atos is just everything that he did it just it uh it just made more sense moving forward when we came to playoff time but luca he's doing it against those guys and against the team like you said he's a top five defensively he what he did yesterday was historic i guess you know but 40 15 and 10 was only oscar and chuck so it's been 30 years since it's even been done he did it on a bad angle with ankle without porzingis it's like you know you know he's going to a step back you you know know that the play is going to be drawn up for him he already has 40. it's like of course that shot's going in but he's taken himself from i said yesterday it's like from being right at the cusp to like now bonafide superstar like the numbers that he's putting up right now in the first round being a taking his team to a seventh seed in a western conference like we said was pretty top-heavy to play against a two-seed where at his position he shouldn't be doing this yeah like you look at it on paper you're like okay this is the match-up second year guy uh you know first playoff run first playoff run he's what 21 years old it's just unbelievable it's hard to put into words what he's doing because i don't know if you know we just haven't either seen it in so long or he might even get to a point after if they especially if they win i mean that's gonna put him in a whole different stratosphere if they beat the number two seed for a team that was likely a lot of people said coming in that was the total favorites probably i mean vegas wise the title favorites yeah there you go do you think people in the league are surprised at this level of ascent so quickly i think everyone knows he's just amazing talent but i mean i'm i personally am i'm i'm shocked because typically i mean i talked about early like our young guys going through the league a couple times and coming back you know knowing what they have to work on and coming back and then going through the league again and kind of having like a slow start or islam i think you saw it with donovan mitchell who now you know like i said two 50-point games in the same playoff series but like to ascen ascend that much so fast it's like i mean it's it's unbelievable it's it's stuff you only see in the in the true greats of the game i feel i feel like the league is in really good hands really good hands um really good hands you know we mentioned the suns earlier what devin booker did in the bubble was incredible um luca trey young of course um there's just so many good players there's a lot across the league what are you is there a difference maybe in terms a little bit of like explosiveness but in terms of if you ask me about effectiveness no and effectiveness what's the difference between james harden and luca oh wow i i think that's the comp right there am i am i going to say that no because they both have size i mean look i said everybody said oh you know you had 13 assists 43 points he can really score the ball but he had his 66 had 17 rebounds yeah it's like usually you give up something to have something but he had 17 rebounds people want to look at all the stats he shot this from the like he had 17 rebounds he's he's the point guard like it's so he can guard pretty much one through five with his size he has that that that big frame he's got that size to him in a way that you don't typically see at that position so like james yeah he's he's just built different i know they they're playing that brand and style of small ball that they want to play and that's their identity but like he he has some serious eyes on him where he can't match up against most fours james can and i feel like both of those guys can do that so i mean we'll see where you know because the trajectory isn't even here it's like this right now for for luca but um i feel like you know and obviously james came in as as uh you know third pick at asu six-man for a team that was great made it to the finals so we don't know what would have been like him being the first option right out the gate but it just seems like lucas figured it out at such an early age it's it's it's i don't know as far as comparisons go but that's as far as what they do and what they add to their team that's pretty pretty i just think the way they play and the skill set and if you look at certainly their their shot chart it's like step back threes yeah lay ups and freeze invest in a step back that's it brad yeah that was amazing invest in a step invest in a step back i love it it's so true do you think do you think kawhi is going on him the next couple games like what's their what is if you're if your doc what's the strategy [ __ ] honestly i'm saying to take i mean listen it's a lot of pressure to say all right go out and guard a guy that just did that but i'm i'm telling uh yeah you want to be a difference maker with paul george like i'm putting you on him and i'm saying like don't even i mean that's what i did in the finals in in 2016 was like you know what i had this concussion i'm i'm just i'm a little bit out of sorts i'm out of rhythm i'm i'm having a tough time i'm just gonna focus on defense so like game five that's all i did game six same thing game seven that was really i'm a rebound i'ma play defense like i think that's what he should focus on right now knowing that he's going to catch a rhythm he's paul george like we've seen it before like it's going to happen but you want to win let's just get through this series so let's stick you who's taller who's you know been first team all defense i know kawhi but kawhi scoring the ball right now he's he's you know playing great he had a career year let's like let him be kawhi let's give him all the energy he possibly can to on the offensive end and if pg's struggling he needs to get off ball we need to put somebody else on him so be it but i would put him personally that's why i'm never going to be a coach but i put i put him on on luca i like it by the way we are drinking um domaine du jacques which is a which is a red burgundy you know i can never i know what they are i can never pronounce i'm terrible with that he's the only person yeah no but you're the you i try but we had this conversation with d wade yeah a couple weeks ago like you are exceptional at the pronunciations compared to everybody else yeah i would say that was pretty good although you probably you probably rehearsed it in front of them you just you compare yourself to like like sommeliers and like the best of we're just normal people drinking wine like we don't we we are not at the same level it's just it's an enjoyable red burgundy which everyone out there is a pinot noir yeah there we go um let's go let's go back a little bit let's go back a little bit to to ucla and playing with russ okay you guys were roommates on the road so you got to see probably a side of him that most people don't get to see and i actually had i had dinner with him randomly one night in the bubble he was like standing by our table for an hour um talking to tj and doug mcdermott tj mcconnell and doug mcdermott was like russ at some point you can just sit down so he sat down had some wine with us it was really my first time interacting with him and i came away from that thinking to myself wow this guy is totally different than anything i've experienced any interaction i've had with him on the court yeah when did you realize he was sort of cut from a different cloth so i had been on a number of unofficial visits there i'd been on it was actually my only official visit i remember my first day on campus i'm walking up brew and walk i'm going to my first history class and you know we kind of interchanged with our academic advisor who was more of my therapist than academic advisor because i was a athlete student not the other way around um and he made fun of my clothes i'm this 18 year old from portland oregon who doesn't know you know how to dress you look at russ now it's funny but like my bad this tops backpack from the all-american game you know it's just the whole thing so i was like okay well let's go get on the court let's play fives at the at the uh the wooden center uh or let's play fives at the men's gym the men's remember it was like it was crazy so that was my first time seeing him and they always let five ucla players on against you know 25 other pros or if usc came they would put their guys in but i can remember that first day it was like you know jordan farmar uh baron davis um you know a few other point guards from the league could have been rafer who was on orlando at the time um but he was just you know grabbing a rebound on top of the square bringing it bringing it down kind of surveying dribbling up the court getting up getting way above finishing with his left just his body body control how he passed uh you know the you know what he was willing to to take on even in an open gym i thought was i was like wow this kid's gonna be amazing so when people ask me to go who do you think is gonna be a breakout breakout guy that nobody really knows about that's the easiest question i'm going to answer all year is russell westbrook so darren collison went down i think he sprained his mcl russell took over i think for the first it was like a dozen or a little bit less games played point guard and then he just took off he just took off after that i i have a similar story because it happened at ucla it was after my rookie year um and i was at uh what do you call it the men's gym men's gym okay the man's just an activity center which is the wooden center which is like below where we've practiced but then the men's gym's up top gotcha where's typically where they've done the pros yeah so the ucla guys were one team and then the pros were kind of rotating in and out and there were a bunch of great nba guys there um and russ was the first time i went was going kg it was yeah he's going into russ's sophomore year so he'd played his freshman that was it yeah and i was like that dude's the best player on the court yeah against all nba players it was that was it was the same summer whenever that was i mean i i could have possibly been in there but he was like you said at any given point the best player on the floor and he's by the way my age he should actually be you know 2007 high school class but um it's insane you were you were oh eight right oh eight draft class oh a draft yeah where would you rank the 08 draft class in all time i think all time like 84 yeah 84.96 both you guys are probably not next i was gonna say top five top five top five i don't know if there's another class maybe we haven't seen how it plays out yet yeah uh like the luca class i don't know who else is in that besides trey like that kind of group how that's going to play out but as far as right now um yeah top five well you guys had a bunch of we were looking this up yesterday you had a bunch of big men in that class not even just in the lottery across the board that are still like ibaka was there yeah dj was dj was there yeah brook lopez robin lopez yeah there's these deep sort of sleepers around like danilo galinari eric gordon yeah you know guys like that that you know have had great careers great careers what was your when you got to campus at first like you guys were amazing from the jump yeah i mean we were ranked coming in number one and you wh was your final record 30 and four 35 and four 35 i believe 35 before were you surprised at how fast you adapted to that game no because i had been going uh and playing that like my dad always had me playing up so my brother was three grades my senior uh young for his age but three grades uh my senior and we my dad's like yeah you're not playing with these kids you're going to play up he goes i don't care you can get your ass kicked that's just how it is and my dad had the presence of mine like okay the best basketball player players are are going to be in the inner city it's just the way it is so like yep here you go just going to drop you off figure it out so he did that with me he had me playing up he had me played against high schoolers when i was 13 14 7th grade he had me playing against nba players uh you know fortunately you know i had a high school coach that was uh you know at the time i was in middle school but i was coming up allowed me to play with the the varsity team or play get pre at least practice against and then you know the blazers were right down the street so i was able to and thankfully i had a friend who uh you know every once in a while had courtside seeds and be like here come watch this so i had a first you know you know very very close talk about proximity to like okay let's watch shaq let's watch y'all being i was like okay i have a lot of work to do so um yeah it was it obviously took a lot of work to to to get to that point but i think playing up with with my brother was was a very very big thing for me i don't know if that answers the question but you you mentioned uh when you were talking about the the rust story walking across campus you mentioned your just sort of goofiness and awkwardness at that age yeah my mom had cut my hair i was like 35 pounds heavier than i am now like it worked it worked great but i i knew i was gonna transition and and play at a very high level in college i just i just knew it because all the guys that were ahead of me and and were going to be top 10 picks i felt you know not only could i compete with them i could get the best out of them i told tommy this last night he said this was a bad a bad draft topic i said we should draft with kevin the best glow ups the best oh i'm top best body train the best you're glowing to be fair honestly i remember my first haircut when i got down to ucla i had uh actually one of my dad's friends was like i'm gonna take you down to carson he took me to our big shout out to our people barbershop and carson and i remember going in there like okay what do you want i was like um just uh you know maybe just take a little bit off the top and then you know i have this facial hair i don't know what to do with it so they like gave me this chin strap uh you know buzzed my head with like a one one and a half and i was like okay i guess this is my look i came back into the weight room the next day everybody's kind of looking at me like who's this guy think he is but no that was looking back i mean so funny because like you know i'm kind of patchy right here so when it came down it was just so bad but looking back i mean it's you're also just a lot bigger i was a lot bigger you're a lot bigger yeah i mean i'm i'm very my the whole my whole family there's a little bit more size and thickness on my dad's side but like my dad is a string but he's as like the corey brewer body he's like six nine and he i mean was just so skinny the rest of my family's so skinny and then somehow i ended up like this but i'm thankful i did because like my size has helped me have success you had early success in the nba and then you made the transformation of your body yeah and your look you know what i mean sure this guy's delicious just the look is yeah the trimmed beard haircut i'm not just saying this you're probably now top five like most likely to be in gq yeah stylist dude you're gonna see it at the italian fashion week all that stuff like fresh freshman year kevin rookie year of minnesota kevin i don't think anyone in the outset looking in is going to make that prediction you would be in that place he knew it i knew it i just looked at myself in the mirror no i honestly i could have never yeah thought that as well plus like what was just what was the what was the motivation transformation honestly there was no motivation no but just like oh to get in unbelievable shape because let's be honest a lot of young guys at 19 or 20 you you're averaging a double double in your second year or whatever it was like you're not thinking to yourself oh i've gotta completely change my body i've already had success i'm good i'm good for the next 10 or 12 years it was having to adapt to the new game it was pace and space i mean it was just the game was getting so fast everybody's like oh bring fat kevin love back it's like yeah okay but you know you see you know jackie mcmullen did a story this year and she you know was asking me because i was one of the uh you know the guys after dirk that you know four or five men that really started shooting threes at a high clip like really shooting threes uh you know especially you know you know i think one year i shot over 500 threes in a season um and at the power forward position i don't know how many guys had done that before you know um so that was i guess something that i considered on top of like my body didn't always feel good uh you know i felt fine rolling the ball out but after about 60 games i'm like okay i have a little bit too much weight on me and like moving with these these smaller four-man or you know teams playing small ball playing with the traditional five and really four guards maybe the the four man's a a small forward i thought okay i do have to keep enough weight on me in order to you know sustain and still get the best out of myself but playing at 265 70 pounds wasn't you know conducive to playing you know 15 20 years in the league so that that's really what what i saw you know could i eat enough could i get back to that weight absolutely but no i don't want to feel good or look good it's commendable by the way that you have you have kept that off i mean it's become clearly a lifestyle for you and you've completely embraced it um espn body will not call if he goes back to the og kevin um no so i wanted to ask because you you brought up the three-point shooting so you actually averaged more three-point attempts per game than i did this year and i'm wondering as much as it was the game changed and the positional requirements changed it seemed like a lot of that changed happened when you got to cleveland and you had to adjust to playing with lebron and sacrifice i just you know i think really of of any position or anybody on the team i i i felt i did have to sacrifice the most and so i you know i'll call it adjustment period period excuse me or learning curve was was likely a lot steeper than most or all on the team so you know you had two ball dominant guys kyrie's a magician with the ball we've all seen that before but braun is just a once-in-a-generation talent you know arguably the greatest player ever you know playing downhill he's a freight train so it's like all right this is how we're going to set up we're just going to get out of the way we're going to space everybody around we're going to you know j.r smith we're going to put iman jumper we're going to put you know kevin love in in the corner so a lot of my uh you know positioning on offense was either being at the break or in the corner so like if i was running i typically wasn't running for a layup or you know the beginning of the game i wasn't posting up we would put somebody in the dunker and then we would space the other you know three around while braun was either playing a pick and roll or just opening up the floor for both those guys so i really had to transition you know my body uh into being a a little bit lighter uh maybe not as light as i you know was when i came in but also i was like okay i'm gonna have to shoot a lot of threes i might have to completely change my game and that was 25 years or i should say at the time it was probably 20 to 20 plus years of organized basketball you know having a dad and having a teacher that tells me okay we're playing from the inside out yeah we're gonna start here this is gonna be your first touch you're gonna get a nice post touch post move you're going to get an easy bucket get to the free-throw line you got to get yourself going there and then you can start working your way out but all the touches start in you know we're going to feed the big fella so for me that was a that was a really hard adjustment that was a really really hard adjustment i'm really curious about just the psychology of being the third guy in a big three because i think bosh went through this too in miami and d wade briefly talked about this he was it was more in reference to to getting older and people expect you to be de-weighed or they expect you to be you can't be at the end of his career they're like yeah yeah but it's a different it's a different role and so this is this is sort of two parts but is is the writing on the wall from day one or do you sort of have to figure it out on the fly and then you know once you sort of realize that hey i'm i am the third guy here how difficult is it to then deal with that criticism knowing that you aren't the number one guy anymore oh you're going to get the finger pointed at you i i don't i don't know if i was ready or um you know cause you know i i it's like the four agreements right i don't know if you've read the book but like don't make any assumptions don't make anything personal or don't take anything personal those are like you know two of the agreements and i did both like based up just like oh yeah i could i could easily be the second guy and like you know everybody says i'm gonna take heat if i'm the third guy but like ah no no but i took the most heat and you know i what i assumed was going to be true you know made me look like a fool at least in my mind i'm like oh yeah i'm gonna go out and do this i'm gonna you know have a very very productive season it's gonna be an easier transition than people think because i went from being you know an all-nba all-star guy to then being that third option i'm thinking oh you know i i watch bosch i watch him pretty closely who didn't watch those miami teams but you know maybe i can learn something from him but it was just every team has a different makeup every season is different every you know coaching staff what they want out of their guys every culture of every team is different so that was a hell of an adjustment period for me from going from a guy that shot almost 20 shots a game who was catching on the elbow running stuff in rick allen's offense the entire time my usage rate was very high to then being you know basically you know delegate or relegated as a three-point shooter like you know stand around away for your time and occasionally will post you up like you might get the first play of the game and then you might not touch the ball for eight minutes and like let's just call it what it is as a team defender i can be pretty damn good as an individual offender but as an offensive player it could be great i still have that in me you know i feel like every big three is unique right i mean that was a very unique situation to where i had to take a back seat in order for us to you know be as great as we were and that's a hell of a backseat to two if i mean those guys were [ __ ] i mean they were great yeah great and i wouldn't change it for the world like i i learned a lot about myself like i could i could have gone on and had more all nba careers i could have been 25 and 10 i could have like 100 i don't doubt it for a minute but like trading that to winning a chat like you can never take a championship away from myself or or the guys that we had it's pretty it's pretty cool do you feel like time made things easier you know you guys being together for as long as you were yeah part of what i asked is we talked about this with jimmy and i'm curious about that a little bit with with you guys last year because you know you had your own version of a big three it was obviously very different pieces wise and everything like that but it's it's really hard to mesh things like that right away yeah you know you're just the role that from just a straight up mental space the going from being an all-star olympian everything like that to a guy that's like stand in the corner and shoot threes is not a thing that anybody is going to be equipped to do like in 30 seconds yeah i mean it's it's i mean honestly i should have probably had in my mind but also from the other side a little bit more clarity about my role was but we had a rookie head coach um who was initially supposed to take over a team that was like kyrie and tristan dion waiters potentially gordon hayward to now coaching you know lebron kyrie and kevin love and a num and more great players tristan thompson dion white like all those guys so yeah i mean i think it's a like i said a really steep uh adjustment period but for me like i i was on a contract year as well like they you know as you know like it was anthony bennett as andrew wiggins there's a number of players that got traded in that draft uh for me in order to to be on that team the uh for the cavs 1450 season and now all the way through now six years but um no i think it took time i could have left i mean on july one it was you know but the first call was david griffin griff amazing awesome dude straight shooter he was just like you know what's the deal it's like you know i think this year taught me anything it's just to have patience anywhere else i go i'm probably not going to have i mean i'm not going to have the chance to win at this level so like i'll keep sacrificing i'll keep figuring out who i am on and off the floor and let's roll the dice and see what happens this year if we need to something else needs to happen moving forward but you know we came we came out that year we struggled you know like we always did in the regular season i think we were the most talented underachieving team maybe of all time in the regular season i really do believe that but when it came playoff time we were just locked and loaded so historically came back from 3-1 that year won a championship and i mean honestly i wouldn't trade that for the world it was all the wine that they were drinking we were drinking a lot of wine you guys were the original wine team we were i think the interesting thing is just the makeup of every big three has been so different so like if you look at boston basically paul pierce was the number one option they were gonna run ray off screens and floppy action all the time and kg from day one is like i'm here to guard i'll be the third guy they at times during that run had to beg him to shoot the ball more that he's considered the is he i mean like between him and ray it's like yeah thanks let's just let's just make sure we get this maybe we'll get some free wine out of it um i mean who i don't know who would be considered the third but i know if if there's a guy from day one who's saying i don't need to do what i did offensively in minnesota i'm willing to sacrifice yeah but he the difference is he could also i mean he was defensive player of the year he could dominate a game on the other end am i i can dominate on the defensive rebounding i could get you i still to say today if you want me to go out there average 15 rebounds a game i can't but it's going to sacrifice probably a little bit more but i'm i'm fine with that what do you need me to do yeah like i probably would not have said that earlier in my career but kg all-time talent again one of the you know talk about power forwards maybe a center of all time the best of all time he i mean he could do both it's just very rare that you have pretty much everything i'm going to follow up on that rebounding thing because i have a question about that but um i wanted i do want to mention that when k.d signed with the warriors klay thompson like two weeks later came out and was like i ain't sacrificing [ __ ] so it was like the opposite of kg approach and clay to his credit is an all-world player on both ends chris doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective um can score 60 and any guy that ate dribbles yeah can do take 11 dribbles and score 60. he shouldn't take a back seat to anybody yeah and with the way that he plays he there's nothing he has to really change play defense shoot threes run the floor run off like he's making his teammates better just by being who he is i have one assad you knew him when you were young right we played little league baseball together yeah did you ever did you play basketball with him when you were young no no because we're it's funny because like where i'm from we have like a weight limit to football who can play quarterbacks like okay court i understand on defense like hitting people but quarterback is you couldn't play up so we would get my best friend would play in trouble for playing up you know if if i played up with my brother two three years they'd ask for you know this kid looks like he just it was always that way so it was only in baseball where you had like 910 all-stars 11 12 all-stars and it was you know he was a great younger so that's the only time that we ever played together his dad announced the games i played with mikey his older brother who was a year older than me and actually trace the youngest was the best baseball player it is it is kind of funny for the other players in that team where it's like yeah i played little league baseball it's hilarious play thompson no it's really really all nba players yeah it's really funny and you know at his position and in general i think you know clay he'll come back this year be another all-star all-nba they'll have a chance to win the title especially you know considering what they had the second pick but yeah i mean it's it's it's crazy he'll come back and be and be clay my early in my career i had i had dinner one night after a game with bj armstrong who's a who's an agent now with wasserman and i was with wasserman at the time and we were talking about like elite skills in the end love bj by the way bj's great yeah and he was talking about dwight and he said what makes dwight so great his elite skill is that he can rebound outside of his space yeah um he he doesn't need the ball to come to him i mean i played with him for six years he i saw him block out three times in six years he could just get the ball because of his length and his athleticism you're a little different but you're still as effective rebounding the ball so obviously it's a it's positioning and fighting for that position but what are you what are you actually watching when the ball goes up i mean some of it's a lot of it is feel honestly uh trajectory uh you know in minnesota a lot of guys were missing shots okay you can run that it's okay i'm just messing around uh but he's gonna get a a hate tweet from kevin martin yeah right exactly and kevin martin's in ohio he can come find me no yeah um no i think anticipation and just relentless pursuit like con assuming that everything is going to be a miss and so like trying to position yourself but for me it's like i'm not the tallest guy can't jump the highest so leverage i feel like is everything it's not necessarily getting lower but it's body position it's it's you know kind of where your defender is or where the offensive player is and you know understanding that hit first mentality as well like being super physical so so i've always prided on myself proud of myself on you know it used to be only because i've stepped out by the way from the hoop that you know it's not as many offensive rebounds anymore but defensively it's you know always ending the next team's possession like trying to make sure that they don't get another opportunity because now it's you know instead of getting a two and they're catching the ball and you know you've you've been a part of this what how many threes you have two thousand like you know how many of those are you know the big man rebounds it they're looking to hit you boom straight up like that that kick out especially now when it's uh shot clock goes back to 14. like it's a lot of time has to go up the best time to shoot at three is after an offensive rebound exactly absolutely but for me it was just that relentless pursuit of of of every ball um you've said this to me before but i think you said it to me last uh last summer when we were at one of our dinners in new york city and and you said this to jackie in the espn article that your work on mental health is your life's work it's that important to you um so for anybody who was essentially living under a rock the last few years you wrote this amazing piece in the players tribune um and you talked about having this panic attack i think it was november 2017. is that right yeah so i think there's it's it's incredible that you know an all-star all-nba world champion gold medalist um has said that his his biggest accomplishment in life will be this work as opposed to what he does in basketball i assume that you knew something was amiss prior to that panic attack and yeah i mean i've known my whole life yeah i just never was willing to confront it yeah or accept it or i just always tucked it away compartmentalized um you know but it's just it's either you know it's inherent it comes from you know a certain side of the family and also um it's just deep seated and in there so until that time it happened in such a public setting that i was like i can't have and i told jackie this too because she started asking me these questions because of how i reacted from an interaction between her and channing frye because we had lockers right next to each other and she actually came to um cleveland and it was interviewing channing and i kind of said to her and this was the the title of my article was yeah everybody's going through something and she was like huh like where did that come from because she was asking channing about you know getting the game taken away from him from his heart uh you know and having to deal with that and um you know those anxieties that came from that the depression that came from that not knowing if you know it's going to affect my family my livelihood you know i was with channing and i was you know as heartbroken for him both of his parents died in the same month and i was with him like he was just he had talked about it just coming to practice just bawling his eyes out and having to deal with that and i've been part of this so much like putting on a brave face like coming to work because you know a lot of the time you feel like if you know you're not competing or or producing at a high level with you know basketball which for me for so long was all my identity was that i'm not having success as a human like i'm i'm a i'm a terrible person like you start and then you look backwards as a kid like i have so many great memories and only from doing the work with my therapist and going on meds have i realized like okay now i'm starting to do the real work but let's peel back the layers from that say you know let's not say that my my these great memories for my child are inconsequential like there was some really really great moments you just happened to you know bury this and your best friends and family like people didn't know it but i do think it is something that's going to be my life's work and it's like the pandemic that nobody's talking about nobody wants to talk about it if you talk about women that are pregnant uh what they're dealing with people not being able you know essential workers having to you know pick between their family or you know going out and bringing money money home and putting food on the table and and risk in their life doctors or nurses uh teachers coming up teachers for a lot of exactly now i i you know i can imagine like having kids and having to home school like i imagine you never respected teachers more right like if you asked me to do long division right now i'm like oh geez um but then the racial lines play a huge part too it's like you know you got to consider all all the weapons that people try to use against uh you know people of color if you come out and say especially in corporate america in a workplace you're applying for a job or if you're vulnerable or you you say hey i deal with anxiety or depression or mental health disorder it's just another weapon that people can use against you so like you have to consider that as well and like if it wasn't for i would say like i had i mentioned tomorrow all the time it's probably [ __ ] sick of it now then i'd say but like if it wasn't for him like a black man from from from compton who you know he comes out and says you know he has depressed like you just don't talk about that yeah and he said that like i was at the aspen ideas conference with him he's like no we just don't talk about it it's not something that like is said so for him to do that for me i was like you know let me let me follow that up with um and tell my own story so bringing it back full circle jackie there was talk at the the from former and current teammates like at the all-star game in a couple years back in uh in uh los angeles that like hey did you hear about kevin love kevin loves dealing with this and so i you know media members started reaching out to me on top of jackie being like hey this is what's being said so i was like my heart just sank like my anxiety through the roof i was in the horrible horrible place terrible year uh for me my hand was broken at the time you know we had the big meeting where you know the team was just i was like i can't listen i'm going through something right now and i can't i can't expose it to you guys right now but just stay with me and it was just like oh we don't give everybody goes through something but um and on top of that away from the court and there's just so so much going on so i knew at that time i i wanted to take this upon myself because i don't want anybody telling part of my story or my story uh but me yeah um i've been open because i i've i've you know i had to see a therapist uh at duke um i don't think i was prepared as an 18 and 19 year old to deal with phantoms a lot of people say yeah you were the most recruited player of all time most hated most hated no but like a lot of people said like recruiting wise like yeah i will say this because like there is something to oh this guy's a one-and-done guy so like yeah you know there's something too for a guy that's gonna say two three four years so like maybe even more so whether you know it or not probably recruited at a very hella but people yeah people disliked you people definitely disliked me yeah so dislike is one thing hate is another they probably hated you they hated me but so you know i i saw a therapist and then after my dui of course i had to do some court mandated therapy but as as i've gotten older i've reconnected with someone and and started seeing someone like a year ago and um you know what you and damar have done is amazing but i think for me so much of my anxiety is basketball related and so it's really interesting the thing that brings me the greatest joy obviously other than my kids and my wife but the thing that brings me the greatest joy the thing i love doing the most also brings me the most anxiety and it's this really weird paradox and i feel like for a large majority of our peers it's the same thing like what percentage of guys are do you think in our league are dealing with some form of mental health issues i would go as far to say half and if it's not them it's someone within arm's distance i've had guys in the league uh a lot of guys actually come up to me and say you know whether it's them or not you know how they usually go oh yeah i know somebody that is dealing with it but it's actually them like whether it's that or it's a family member or close friend or former player like hey you know what do i have at my disposal here what will health care take care of what does the league offer now like we've gotten to a point where you know obviously putting a mental health professional on every team is great but okay what's next like we can continue to scale up these messages and psas to tens of millions of kids across the world and it's such a global game like okay what's next like what are we going to continue to do to provide these services for people because as you saw the numbers are staggering they're crazy um and especially i feel like in in young minorities and for every i think it's for every person dealing with a mental health disorder you know depression and acute anxiety uh you know bipolar disorder schizoid whatever it is um you know i think it's for every one person or ten thousand people there's one therapist yeah so this is this is this was not answering your question but this is a follow-up question i have to that because i think it's it's easy not easy it's not never easy to talk about this stuff yeah but it's easy for us to find a resource it's really easy because you know we're associated with the team or our players association has incredible resources obviously everyone we know at the league um for the average person for the average person that's going through this this phase during the pandemic that that wants to talk to someone who's available where would you where would you point them i mean so i'll say it like this because it's i only know uh you know what i've what i've experienced myself and also learned the last couple years especially in in in starting my fun and i'm not that's not why i'm here to plug that but like you know we need to continue to we say like you know the pillars right i've talked about that but like stigma we have to continue to talk about it like we're far like more likely to detect it if somebody's talking about it so we need to continue to and everybody has their own times and own deadlines on when they want the to expose these things but like i always say you can't heal what you don't reveal right education i'm working on a education program now to where people are sharing first-person stories i mentioned either themselves or within arm's distance uh and it's very soothing like i'm i'm a notebook guy i write stuff down it's my way of remembering like even more so than writing it in my notes on my phone like if i can write it down i see it boom i can remember i'm super visual so we're working on that with ninth and tenth graders we have a pilot program going right now hopefully that'll extend uh through a number of places maybe even throughout the entire country because you learn about physical health uh you know you learn about um i'm sure i think sexual health when you're when you're growing up but you never learn about emotional health like these stats like this type of for me and i'm sure with you like stats typically statistics typically tell a story and like to me that tells a story like with all the social injustice and everything that's going on with coven 19 like it's it's it's linear it's not like it's a bunch of different things and it's super complex but it is telling you the story and then there's i think tools and research like without the research there's no tools without the tools there's gonna be further research into into how these are working so that's another thing that we're working on so we've been super strategic about you know like working with with headspace meditation it's become even like you know those type of brands or those type of uh accessible things they you know some of them cost money some of them for free but we've been able to uh you know kind of leverage it and get it to the masses which has been great i did it with uh you know all of a lot of ucla and a lot of the workers at um you know that work every day at the arena and work in our front office and our traveling team i got them because it's so much more than just a meditation app now but it's you know really physical health and wellness knowing what your triggers are as well having somebody to talk to like one guy who's done you know one of the best athletes of all time is michael phelps he's done a great job of having people go to his platform have accessible things uh to him because you know it's in medication is hard too because medication costs a lot of money and those these drug companies are you know it's all about capitalism it's all about making money so they can set a number uh in healthcare it's not universal right so they can set a number on how much this stuff is going to cost you know i i do take meds because i think you know once you get the medication right and some people are eastern western philosophy but for me it was like i was able to really start the work once i got to that baseline and without that i don't think i would have ever come out of the hole that i was really in but there's so much to unpack there um and it's it's it differs depending on where you're from your social economic status gender profile like it keeps going on and on so i think that's a big part of the reason that we're trying new things trying the pilot programs and continuing to to work at this how do you manage your internet consumption because that's a big thing especially during this during this because it's it every part of what is my guess is you know when they do studies and there's leading to a lot of this is people are in front of their phones and they're in front of their screens all day long and consciously or subconsciously that is leading to these different triggers that they may not even realize are happening oh that are causing some of this yeah it's emotional and behavior it's warfare so like and you have to keep young people off of it and it's impossible because they all have screens all have their ipads they all want to consume stuff even to just get away from it all but it's hard to get away from yeah and you know so much of this like if you look at young people by the age of 14 50 are are diagnosed with a with a mental health disorder right you know one in seven kids have you know something and half go untreated by 24 years old it's 75 or diagnosed so it's really a young people problem more kids are committing suicide than ever in you know as a 2018 it came out in 2018 it was a 10 year study that in ohio suicide was up 24 overall and 80 in people over 60 and under the age of 14. 14 like when i first read that and it was setting in with me i'm just like i can't even imagine i mean how god forbid but i mean you have kids that are all under 14. and it's like to even consider that that would be something that they were going through but it's psychological warfare and behavior is going to change far after what happens in the brain like you don't see what's happening up here so being able to have early intervention or you know see warning signs or be able to uh you know go through different screenings like that's going to be huge that's the future but how do we use the you know how do we use technology to to our advantage how do how do we make this work for how do we make stuff more accessible to those who honestly have you know far less than than we have i think i think you know objectively one of the things that makes like you coming out and tomorrow coming out so important is for for our listeners or forever else like you know following this stuff at home they look at you guys and they're like these guys are the pinnacle of success yeah or superheroes that's right yeah you're super shocked you are the chest you're the best in the world literally the best in the world at some at a very high profile thing that everybody tries to do you have all the money you have all the different sort of things that you would look at as as shiny objects and so they're like if these guys are going through this maybe it isn't so bad for us to come out about it you know just it just it normalized it in a way that is is i think really yeah helpful and important for people to just address it yeah i mean the more we talk about it the more we pay it forward in that way the more you know it's not a sexy thing to talk about yeah people aren't looking at me like they're like oh i i commend you for for saying that but like it's not cool yeah i know that and i was also like oh god i think what jackie was telling me is a lot of people don't want to a lot of these guys i've talked to they want to go off the record and she did like a five-part series on espn but a lot of guys want to go off the record because they're afraid it's gonna uh you know affect their financial future i mean listen this whole thing is i try to say like i'm not an expert i don't pretend to be i'm just i'm trying to learn like like all of us but i think like with black lives matter and social injustice as well like if i don't truly feel like i'm gonna get through to somebody i'm gonna try and educate myself and do all that i can to that win i can make a big difference and the timing is right boom i'm gonna do it even though i'm still coming forward and talking about all these issues but i'm not gonna be you know try and be the face i want to say hey how can i be an ally what can you tell me what did you you did something with president obama yes i was with both of them yeah because we i'll tell you why so this was uh you know an easy uh you know i guess segues the wrong word but it was easy to to to then work with them because i know what they're about and you know president obama and the south side of chicago and the obama foundation are working with like the new leaders of tomorrow and you know because social change and change in general like a youth movement and like young the younger generation and that demo is powerful like you saw it with uh parkland florida like all the stuff that happened with that after like we we actually we met with those kids uh exactly a couple summers ago yeah i was like oh my i was blown away they're crazy that's crazy very impressive and they're like 16 17 18 years old so like that whole thing is super powerful and then on top of that i mentioned chris like he's trying to even the playing field for you know under-serviced youth and making sure that you know as far as when it comes to electronics and and anything they need within the confines of of their school they have everything they need in order to to you know take that next step or or you know get into a better school or a better college or you know make it easier take the weight off of their parents when they're at home so i think it's you know those were two easy things because i was on a panel with them during all-star weekend saturday of all-star weekend was on a panel with them plus giannis and uh and mike wilbon it was super cool to see what they were doing and i was like this is an easy easy way to get involved and and help in a in a very very positive way because they're both doing great work kevin while we close up this part of the the podcast i just want to say tommy and i all the time on this we talk about dehumanizing athletes versus humanizing athletes and the work you're doing um i just want to commend you it has certainly humanized all of us and uh and and thanks for for speaking out of course all right kevin let's get to uh the speed round before we get to this episode's draft all right my first question if you could own any if you could own a winery uh in one wine making region what region and why oh man i mean don't go home around me here no i love no no i want trust me yeah uh what is it right up the street uh yeah yeah that's great shout out for summer bottle for a say what's up uh i'll give you the address later um i mean it's easy to say like bordeaux and burgundy right but um i love big bold heavy wines like you would drink out of a chalice in middle earth like we're in yeah but i would say you know there's like probably sasakaya i mean so like a super tuscan like that so i i just that's a wine that you know first time i had i go okay now this though this is wine this is real wine like it's it's when did you get into wine you know it's funny i never used to be into to to coffee or wine i just didn't i don't think i had the palette for it i was just you know growing up i was like i like the smell but i had a taste of you know black coffee whatever didn't like it i had a taste of wine when i was younger i don't get it but yeah it wasn't until i was like 24 or 25 where i really really was like oh wow this is this is good wine and then like i said i've have you know a lot of i've made a lot of good friends you know including you guys that uh you know enjoy it at a very high level um and you know just continuing to try to learn as much as i can on it but no it just it definitely took me a while for me to open up you know good bottles and understand wine all right um single play career highlight the step stop uh because of what was at stake probably and because of how i changed my mindset after uh you know missing a game and a concussion they were like just focus you know i said to myself just like i talked about paul george earlier i just focused on defense and rebounding so yes and i'm trying to think of another time like i think there was a shot against uh i mean it was the clippers i think there's that shot against the clippers that hit that that came winner because that was like you know a team that was on the rise uh you know rick allen was coaching we had uh you know pretty good balance throughout our team big pekovich ricky was playing great we after that game we were uh you know 500 we were hyped um you know then we had some injuries and it was tough uh for a little bit of the portion of the year and that set us back didn't make the playoffs and again that was like a 48 win eight seed so that was tough for us but we that was that was a big shot in my career i felt like i had i guess i don't want to say arrive but in a way yes what's the uh what's the worst [ __ ] talk college or mba you've gotten the most that's like shaking you to the core kg that's i mean it's it's pretty much an easy answer because when i came in i was 19 19 20 years old like coming in and facing him within the first few games it is true also with the minnesota history especially there's an extra layer there that i think people would overlook uh in hearing this but you have to consider that um when i say this because i think he always feels some sort of way about the organization ownership and he's outspoken about it yeah and you're this you're the sort of hot shot replacement i'm the fifth pick you know like and i'm you know there's this new guy coming in from ucla thinks he's this has a sweet chin strap he's like you know there's something to that fire haircut yeah yeah great haircut uh all right so you're also a food guy uh you have your last meal what restaurant are you picking i know my friend louie in uh in france in paris it's is it i forget how to say it you see i put my tongue at the roof of my mouth there um but i would eat there for my last meal because it's a very tight space you can maybe fit you know 20 30 max max but like 20 people in there comfortably and it's like just side of the street you walk in there and louie is the guy serving you guys big fat louie and it's just one of the most unbelievable meals i've ever had best wine i've ever had in paris i mean it's just it's you know one of those you know romantic romance type of places uh that just make you feel a certain way i think it's i think it's a combination of like okay food obviously company who you're there with but also ambiance feel aura energy all of that combined into one that's a it's a pretty special place parish is a lot of places like that like just yeah paris itself is coffee shops just that's why i'm just like you know a lot of dishes i just try and try and fake a little bit of french so they're not like this american like oh just actually this is my last question for you so you and i both live in new york city we ch we choose to live in new york city i love it so much in the off season you can't live in new york city where are you living you don't have kids by the way so this is an easier you can't live in new york city where you're living by the way because of who's there or who's there but like who's across the bridge like brooklyn is so great so great brooklyn is so great you'll end up in brooklyn right like i almost feel that way to be clear not on the nets i'm not saying he's coming to the nets what i'm saying is you're going to end up winning you'll get a brooklyn brownstone you'll have kids brooklyn what did you do in new york so it's funny you actually ask that because when i remember in high school i was writing this thing out and i like to say i was 19 years old when i wrote this but i was like i'm gonna have an apartment in new york city by the time i'm 30. throw it out there and like couple my friends knew i said that so like they always held on to that and june 13th i was 29 years old on june 13th my birthday september 7th i closed on my apartment at 29 years old two months before uh my 30th birthday and that was like you know it's one of those moments where like you look back and i i have been pained by this a lot lately and this is probably a deeper thing with the mental health aspect but like pain with like a lot of regret in my even my career and like missed opportunities and like things you know it's a long lengthy thing but that's one of the things where i finally gave myself credit like patted myself on my back and said you know what that's pretty cool like i i had spent 11 off seasons including the one uh when i got drafted going into my rookie year in la but for me la just became and i love seeing my guys i love seeing other athletes because you know i try to surround myself with like energy that supports my goals or i like you know being with my homies and and helping them out or like jumping on a dope ass podcast not like but no i really i really i really do feel that way and yet i was just like you know what i need a change i love new york city i feel like when you live there and this is so true i figured this out when you live there it becomes such a different life people like i don't know if i could do new york city i'm like if you live there you wouldn't say that you make it whatever you want it and the beauty of it is something's always going on you always have your place if you just want to chill there's always basketball there's always a place to work out you can chase the game everything else will chase you back there's no place like jerry seinfeld just wrote something today like okay you guys want to move out of new york you want to go to connecticut you want to go to maine you want to go to maryland go ahead because we're going to build it back we are coming new york is so resilient and you can't fake it there i love it it is true have you followed this thing about every the last couple weeks people have been saying like new york is dead new york new york's never done never never be dead never it's impossible because it'll it'll change it'll i mean the resolve there i mean like it's just not it's new york city will always be it i have two i have two ones to close but you still haven't [ __ ] answered you have to give us another city you have to give us another city vancouver bc okay thank you that's a good answer all right i mean it's an easy answer for me too vancouver bc first question you had a period i think you've chilled out a little bit but you had a period where your instagram was like the greatest thing i can't travel also yeah so last summer yeah so last time at the sag harbor pharmacy no but it wasn't it wasn't just that you were it wasn't just that you were in cool places because like whatever a lot of people go to cool places it was like every photo was like you and your dog on like a like a mountain so it was completely incredibly lit and everything about it was just like exceptional how did that happen so i love storytelling and you know i'm not going to look back and say like i will you know i wish i wish i had more fame i wish i would have more money it's like no i think you could look back and look at relationships and experiences and like if i have to pay the only time i'm going to pay huge huge money for something other than like okay i want to make sure i'm comfortable where i live it's like i'll buy time if i have to if i can manipulate time to where i can get it back or it's experiences as soon as we get to a place where like what do you guys offer what else can we do what's something that nobody's talking about what food we just filled up the time with experiences is pretty cool goodbye in an interesting time you don't get to ask your last question all right you know sorry last question you want jd wants to draft let's get into this yeah i'm anxious to draft all right uh tommy um please explain this week's draft all right so in honor of summer summer winding down summer winding down point that out we are going to draft the best movies or television shows that have something to do with the beach in any capacity i you know i don't know many tv a tv shows that are beat like lost well this is we're going to god kevin you can't i will give some i'll give some well i'm not going to say anything next to the listener is we told kevin we told gary this category last night at first he was confused about it and then he decided to name like five of the things well and yeah and then he told me jj's gonna steal everything i was like okay which way i see who we're dealing with yes so just you the way the draft works is you go first you're the guest you go first jj go second i go third we snake it but whoever you pick i can't pick so this is why i was like but it could go either or like either or it could be it can't be we're not going to tv and then doing movies no no just five so five either or two euro first you're the first pick this is i need to write this down well i didn't look anything up is the thing and i kind of forget what i said i almost want to result to the the group chat but i'm gonna go with a movie that is unbelievable because it was one person on an island the whole time from a fedex plane crashing and that's that is cast away tom hanks you give me wilson he comes back he comes back and the titans lost the super bowl by a few yards which that was the biggest thing to me i was like wow yeah i mentioned the super bowl they moved they were the oil and so anyways that cast away i'll leave it there that's a great first pick it was on my big board all right wilson i'm gonna go number one pick for me jaws that's a good one indisputable like iconic definitely top three to five you can't really argue we're gonna need a bigger boat iconic it's iconic music the sound score is incredible all right should i go one oh we're snaking we're snaking yeah i might uh ruffle some feathers here as i tend to do on these drafts sometimes one i'm going tv i'm going to oc ha ha that's a good pick though i thought you were going a different direction yeah from the ages like 24 to 42 you're gonna get a lot of love great show great rewatchable show great reward and still relevant like when something happens to an oc character in the in the world today for sure people know for sure all right that's one second oh it's typically like page six but second is going to be a little surprising and you guys might not think that this counts but we just if there's a beach in it it comes it's one of the ones we discussed last night saving private ryan [ __ ] what's the [ __ ] he's like did normandy count like oh yeah we lost so many good men out there like okay that's fair okay so long as as we know there's transparency i was going to say that i had to take it off the board because it was already in your brain and i knew it was coming out and i wanted to pick it and i think it won best picture that year and won a bunch of oscars so like i need an oscar it's that that whole movie is incredible yeah when uh you know they're driving up the farm and it's the mom and then she just falls down on the course it's just like just tears just crazy because you know a lot of people had to deal with that man that was sombra downer um all right my number two pick is tv i'm gonna go lost jaws and loss to start us off that's so i thought you're going to say he's just going obvious i'm just going obvious just okay going with what i want to watch fine okay you know what i'm gonna be i'm gonna do it you know what ryan cohen i'm gonna analyze as every draft i could say i'm trying to get we're gonna win that you're gonna i'm trying to get back i already know jj is gonna win this trip the actual movie the beach never seen it you're going to pick that i'm not going to pick that but i've been there i'm actually going to go with a cult classic and you guys i think will will appreciate this weekend at bernie's there's a there's a beach in the movie like i was saying like last night uh uh okay you don't want to do that fine no you could do it you have to you have to wait there's a beach there's a beach in moonlight they won best picture some people something like moonlight how can you not appreciate weekend at bernie's can i can i ask a question about weekend of bernie's so was it set in the hamptons was it set in the hamptons and filmed on bald head or vice versa because i think it was filmed on bald head island honestly right the last time i saw it was when i was like 13 and it was your number two pick really glad okay you know really threw me for a loop and i had to like i had to get in my what do they call that the uh the war room how to get in my room was when you pick save and probably run learned you know what i'm not telling all of his pictures oh christopher nolan dunkirk doug crick's a good pick great weekend at bernie's and dunkirk i didn't say weekend at bernie's so doctor you said weekend to bernie so you have three go okay dunkirk and um no you said weekend to bernie's you're definitely that's two and three okay you're two and you're bigger i'm gonna say so my third pick i'm gonna go casino royale wow i totally forgot beach scene and by the way and he an unbelievable remake and honestly i think daniel craig a lot of people get mad at sean connery like uh the best bond who daniel craig yeah i agree no sean connery is better than david okay but daniel craig is the best all right what about sir uh [ __ ] roger moore all right i gotta talk about it all right i gotta take it off baywatch if we didn't pick it people wouldn't original original basically the second one zac efron in the room not the rock exactly do not watch that i'm running out of stuff okay like honestly i'll give you so i have some more three that's why i have a big board honestly i'm gonna get a little bit of some love from weekend at bernie's i'm just like you know i don't think so the comment section is gonna be your second one my second one is uh forgetting sir marshall great oh that's that's a great one that was my next pick all right i'm gonna give you a um name all right uh my next one is gonna be road to perdition now you may not know at the very end very okay yeah that's why i shoot sullivan yeah his kid walks in sullivan and shoots mcgregor and then it's like paul newman yes great i mean was in his last film paul newman it's your movies are a little serious though yeah some were talking summer like you took for getting started jesus yeah the kid the the the mom and the kid died and the kid like okay enjoyed it i'm picking blue crush i'm not oh i was by the way that's where i was going to do it crush it off the board take it off the board yeah blue crush is for for sure okay the sex appeal i need to see your big board no i'm not going to show you okay fine i'll i'll have to rack my brain around something else okay movies movies movies movies uh don't forget tv boardwalk empire that's a good one it's a great that's a great show earlier probably honestly it's your best pick either yeah that's definitely better than weekend at bernie's okay you guys are keeping me shut i might go watch that tonight and be like you know what great film you said the oc weekend at bernie's is better than oc uh no maybe not what it meant to teenage girls but for what it means is not better than the oc and it's definitely not a better beach show slash movie than the oc all right number five for me um the talented mr ripley great it's great what they wore the style in that movie incredible and gwyneth in the movie i gotta say you know what i'm going with for five i want two best picture winners in my list i'm doing moonlight i i gotta say you have a you have a solid list i think i won this one i got saving private ryan i got moonlight no i didn't i wasn't going for the win i was going for the ha ha moment with weekend at bernie's and then i had to set it off with so this is what always next draft you're going to be better i feel like next chef you're going to understand there's enough time for you guys to do a second episode with me if you've gotten to this point in the podcast exactly oh boy i'm sorry guys the season is starting tomorrow kevin's got to go kevin's got to go back to the uh the the league for my next contract oh god all right kevin thank you for the time for the insight for the terrible draft choices this has been episode 7 with kevin love we're out thank you

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Published: Wed Aug 26 2020

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