Katherine Magbanua testifies in retrial in case of Dan Markel, murdered FSU professor

exact amount well then why did you leave fate where you're making 1500 a night to go to hollywood live where you would make less and i told you at that time too that sometimes we have peak seasons and it starts dwindling down so that maybe that's why i went to hollywood i can't recall this was back in 2014. you said that you were working in liquor promotions what's the name of the company that you worked for i was trying to remember it um you guys didn't pull any records for that either you have bank records from encore worldwide and ceo is that where you worked for liquor that was way back that was way back i did other promotions for i believe absolute i cannot think what's the name of the company that you were i can't remember these paychecks i can't recall okay was it on core nationwide one of them yes ma'am okay so that was a liquor promotion company that we have here that you worked for from january to december of 2013. if that's what's on my records yes ma'am okay and then what's ceo i don't recall okay so then you stopped liquor promotions in december of 2013. i don't recall the dates you said on coordination wide was it was the business that you worked for okay so then if your last paycheck is in december of 2013 that's when you stop liquor promotions right if that's what's on your records i just know that i work for another liquor promotion but i i don't know if it was encore as well and you said that in certain liquor stores the owner would allow you to get tips when you handed out drinks okay and that you think at the time they gave you paychecks that's what you said at the time maybe i honestly cannot recall from 20 what 14 at that time today 2013 yeah 2013 i'm asking you about what your attorney asked you is your is your when you were working at liquor promotions though you said just sometimes you would get tips if the owner allowed that to happen at the liquor store if that's what i had said yes ma'am okay all right today you know you said that this 2014 this cash bike was from your nightclub work and then from sigfredo garcia how much of it was from siegfried garcia i can't recall the amount you don't remember no ma'am when you were showing me that chart i'm telling you i wish i could remember i don't remember because you're asking me exact amounts and where i worked and well he didn't i can't remember he didn't provide you much money that often right it wasn't like a steady thing and not that i can recall now so whenever i guess we will it will come up on something then he would he would give it to me if he showed up and handed you five thousand dollars ten thousand dollars thirteen thousand two hundred dollars that's something that you would remember right that never happens it's not that it never happens i told you like it would happen i don't i don't know the exact amount that he would give me i don't want to commit to an amount that you're trying to tell me i can't remember back in 2014. in your prior testimony you said that he did not i'm looking at page 60 lines 18-25 you said that he did not steadily give you cash he did not have a set date that he'd give you anything sometimes he would was there ever you were asked was there ever a time when he'd come to you and your attorney asked well would you consider a thousand dollars a significant amount of cash you said yes would you would then he give you a significant amount of cash and you said yes so you never said in that prior statement that he gave you anything more than a thousand dollars um which which page number page 60 60 and in which line lines 18 through 25. i just said that there wasn't like a set amount that he would that he had to give me anything right and it would be whatever he had your attorney asked did he give you know would you consider a thousand dollars a lot when he if he would give you a thousand dollars and you said yes right yes ma'am okay so a thousand dollars him coming and giving you a thousand dollars that would be a lot from him for my testimony yes ma'am okay and so if he came and gave you five thousand dollars in july or october or 10 000 or 13 000 in august that would be very abnormal it wouldn't be abnormal it would just i mean i you're trying to say if i could remember that amount no i'm saying that before you said a thousand dollars was it would have been a significant amount yes ma'am okay so if he was giving you more than that that's something that you would remember that would be significant right yes yes that would be a significant amount but you don't remember you have no idea isn't it true that the reason that you move on i want to ask you about this night at yardbird you told us about yes ma'am in your prior testimony did you have any indication that sigfredo garcia knew you were at dinner there or knew that you had gone there for dinner no ma'am okay so sigrido garcia didn't say anything to you that would lead you to believe that he knew you were at dinner yeah that was the first time i i mean not the first time this time around but i heard it through the trial okay so you had no indications that he knew that no man okay in the whole july 1st jet ski incident that was you said the same day as the voicemail to harvey adelson from charlie adelson yes i'm sorry from secreto garcia yes ma'am okay all right so with this wire charlie adelson gets contacted by his mom she says she was given paperwork which turns out to be this article about the murder she says this tv probably cost five thousand dollars you agree with me that tv sounds like their code for this murder right objection lack of personal knowledge over world overrule if you know i don't know ma'am then donna adelson tells charlie that it has to do with the two of them and the man mentioned an ex-girlfriend right yes ma'am and then charlie calls you yes ma'am okay why did he call you i have no idea you don't know no ma'am i don't know if that's before or after or when he spoke to his mom or when they mentioned my name or when he said ex-girlfriend like it's been going round and round i'm confused myself okay and you said that in your last testimony i'm looking at page 154 lines four through nine which lines man 154 lines fourth four through nine yes i was saying that i'm his last ex-girlfriend that's what you said in 2019 right yes ma'am that you were his last ex-girlfriend to my knowledge yes we've had testimony during this trial that he's had several girlfriends since you dated between that and the bump right yes but i was explaining here that i'm his last ex-girlfriend like i was his he was dating june i think at that time so i didn't know about whitney so i was his last ex-girlfriend you didn't know about whitney no i just i heard about it now wasn't that like his first serious girlfriend after you and him broke up i don't know i'm that's why i'm getting confused because i'm learning so many things from here that i don't know when i knew that that was his girlfriend or i knew of that girlfriend i i know about june because she testified over here okay you knew that he was talking to lots of girls yes ma'am and dating lots of girls yes ma'am and you would actually chastise him and in the messages about like him dating so many girls moving them into his house letting them drive his cars right yes ma'am and you would check in with him about these girls so you would say you know are you still talking to this girl right i might have mentioned it but just to say it you'd have to show me okay in december of 2015 you say are you still talking to the lame chick the girl who's hot and it's really not and yeah but i don't know which one that is okay i guess my point is you know that you you knew that you were not his last ex-girlfriend i to my knowledge i was his last ex-girlfriend because he was dating june didn't really know i didn't know about whitney i don't know if i've learned it from from trial but i was his last ex-girlfriend if he was dating june and he dated me i'm his last ex-girlfriend by your own admission in the wiretap call you say you've had a million ex-girlfriends right i understand that but i'm saying i'm his last ex-girlfriend we're talking about this right but he had you and him had broken up in the fall of 2014 and this bump is in the spring of 2016 right you'd been together with sigfredo garcia again for a year at that point at the time of the bomb at that point okay right he had dated tons of girls in between that right i believe so okay you were not his last ex-girlfriend then but i'm saying from the timeline from june like june the girl june right i was his last ex-girlfriend we were talking about it in here like you're talking about the wasn't this from that was from october from the bump though the transcript you're looking at from october of 2019 when you say you were his last ex-girlfriend at the time of the bump that's what you said last time was the reason that he called you when an ex-girlfriend was mentioned but that's what i'm saying but you're you're talking about a specific date on this what's going on right now too this is not not on the 19th this is the transcripts from the 19th right i'm saying though that you knew you were not his last ex-girlfriend isn't that true i'm confused because i'm saying that i was his last ex-girlfriend what are you talking about from what we were talking in dolce vita you're right so you thought you thought that you were his last ex-girlfriend objection so you're gonna ask it one more time you believe you were his last ex-girlfriend before the bump and that's the reason he called you yes ma'am okay and he called you because he wanted you to deal with this for him right i don't know if this is the reason why he had mentioned my name and why he wanted me to call okay well even before though that you knew your name was mentioned you were willing to help him with the problem right i was listening to him i don't know at that moment if i was saying that i was willing to help him okay i want you to look at your that same page 154 lines 17-19 in 2019 you said before your name was mentioned you were willing to help him with that problem i said yes ma'am okay and you're asked by charlie adelson to call this number you don't know why he's asking you to do this other than you're his last ex-girlfriend you and then the person that you get to call the number coincidentally just happens to be the shooter of the crime that charlie adelson thinks he's being blackmailed for right i mean can you ask your question one more time you were asked by charlie adelson to call this number on the article yeah you got someone else to do that for you right yeah i asked the creator so you coincidentally get the person who was the shooter of this crime that charlie adelson's being blackmailed i mean i was just asking sigfredo to call the number okay and just coincidentally he also he's the shooter i didn't even know about any of that until the trial okay so that is a coincidence in your opinion i believe so all right um i no i don't think it's a coincidence i'm saying you're saying that that's a coincidence you didn't actually have anything to do with it no ma'am and you didn't actually know what it was about or who you were getting to call for that reason anything no ma'am other than the fact that they said um katie and tuto yeah and when when charlie adelson told you that his mom said it has to do with tudo and tato why didn't you say you know exactly who that is charlie tudo is sigfredo no he was saying it in different ways and then that's why i never corrected him i know like they've asked me about that before i didn't know that i had to correct him and say oh you know him you know you know the father of my kids like why are you saying the name different and he said that though multiple times he said i don't even know who tutu is he said that on the phone and he said that in dolce vita didn't he um on the phone i think i heard it but in the dolce vita i don't remember and you just though you just didn't correct him just didn't ask why i just acted like he didn't know who tuto was that's the whole reason why i'm even in here because i wasn't asking the questions why don't you ever mention garcia's name to charlie adelson why don't i ever mention his name right like the tutor no why don't you ever say tudo or garcia to charlie edelson why do you just say he this he that i never mentioned his name to him right why not i just don't like i'm not gonna be like saying i don't know i just i didn't why don't you ever mention charlie's name to siegfredo garcia i've always referred to him like my friend or vice versa like i always say my friend i don't think they want to hear about each other's name whenever i'm mentioning them so whenever you talk to garcia about charlie edelson you always say that person or my friend or my friend yeah okay i mean if you if you called him and were talking to him about that person how does he know who you're talking about did i did i ever message him saying that person in the wiretap call yeah you're you're talking to sigfredo garcia and referring to charlie as that person i i don't recall why don't you just say charlie i never mentioned either one of their names because i don't know i just never i just didn't isn't the reason though that you never say their names is because you are all afraid that law enforcement might be listening well apparently everybody had a burner phone so why would anybody even be talking on the phone charlie called you charlie said that he wanted the problem flushed that problem was this bad guy that was just trying not in evidence overrule that was trying to extort his mom that was a joke okay um but he wanted you you were the person that he wanted to take care of this problem right yes because somebody mentioned my name we've gone over this out of all the people in the world though he chose you and you're saying that because they mentioned my name okay today and to those names and then mention that those names so yeah that's why i was confused all right what happened in the car before y'all went to dolce vita i don't even recall that that's what i was asking when they said that there's a 10-minute meet-up in a car like where's that video or where's that did he search you for a wire you saw him harley charlie yeah no because i don't even recall that happening all right when did you find out that dan markel was murdered i believe i found that one when siegfried got arrested okay so that was the first time that you'd ever heard of dan markell his brother-in-law being murdered yes ma'am charlie adelson never told you that no ma'am and you and him talk all the time not all the time you'll see the phone records it shows i've seen them and y'all talk all the time you were just telling me earlier that like our conversation stopped like dwindled down no i was saying that you said that he was ghosting you okay okay you and charlie adelson talk all the time right i guess so okay and when sigfrato i mean he never mentioned to you that dan markel had been murdered no ma'am what was it that you thought he was saying that made national news bbc news good morning america what was talking what was who saying what was charlie adelson talking about what i don't know i didn't even know what bbc was you know what good morning america yes i i know that but i didn't it wasn't anything that was like popping out he never mentioned dan markel he never mentioned tallahassee he never mentioned anything about a murder those things would stick out right i would think that they would but he didn't talk about that in telling you and why didn't you ask i mean what what was on good morning america what was on national news i don't remember what happened i mean we have the whole video and it didn't even pick up anything explained to you what he was talking about he didn't explain anything he was saying scenarios okay in the dolce vita video he's saying it's either somebody trying to blackmail his family or it's the cops working undercover why would it be the police why would the police be investigating his family i don't know why isn't your first question why in the world would the cops be running an undercover investigation on your family i don't even know if i ever mentioned that i don't know don't remember what happened in 2014. looking at page 155 lines three through eleven you were asked why would it be the cops page 155 lines three through 11. you were asked why it would be the cop she said i don't know because he's always talking about the cops you were asked but didn't you ask him why the cops would be running an undercover operation on his mother and you said no ma'am so i didn't ask right you didn't ask why wouldn't you ask why would the cops be running an investigation on your family i don't know that's what i that's the whole reason of why he was meeting up with me because he didn't even know what was going on now i see that he did right we're not talking about him though i'm saying you didn't ask why his his the cops would be running an undercover investigation on his family did you no ma'am okay and this may be the third time objection asked and answered all right that was asked an answer okay let's move on i want to ask you about this dolce vita video yes ma'am okay all right [Music] okay you need more volume do you need more volume on the headset okay just tell me thank you you yeah uh all right so charlie adelson says in that club objection judge as to what charlie adelson said overruled this is uh she can give her interpretation it's up to the jury to decide but she can ask the question when he says at the very beginning of that clip if they had any evidence we'd already be gone to the airport by now objection what did you understand i didn't hear that overruled i didn't even hear anything that the the recording was saying you didn't like that i didn't hear anything that you like the line that you just said i did not hear that on the recording when that recording started you didn't hear him say if they had any evidence we would have already gone to the airport by now so you had no idea of what he was talking about evidence of what i don't know ma'am if he did say that what evidence of what i wouldn't know i don't know what i said okay so in the next statement when he's saying if they bug your phone you're still not talking about any of this i mean what are you not talking about i don't know what he's talking about you couldn't hear anything that he said no man okay maybe my volume uh do you hear the beginning of the clip that time when he says if we had any evidence we would have already gone to the airport by now the only thing i caught was bug phone okay i didn't hear anything in the beginning if he had said to you if they had any evidence we'd already be gone to the airport by now what was he talking about evidence of what i have no idea i told you he was saying scenarios and i can't remember what he was talking about at that time so he wouldn't have been trying to ease your mind let you know if this is the cops they don't have anything on us no when he says if even if they bug your phone and at the end he says you still have not been talking about this what have you not been talking about on your phone i didn't hear anything that said anything about me not talking on the phone when they when he was talking about even if they bugged this even if they bug your phone okay at the end of the clip he says you still have not been talking about this so even if your phone is bugged but is he complying to me like he's he might have been saying scenarios you guys are keep taking things out of context and it's not i don't even know i can't answer that question if i don't know the whole thing okay so i'm i'm telling you what i'm hearing on here and i'm asking you about it we're hearing all right i don't want to get argumentative you've already asked and answered that question yes you never went to tallahassee did you no ma'am and you never shot anybody did you no man i want to play the next club for you do you have to put that person he's telling you that you have to be able to put the person at the scene at the time in order to prove a crime you can't just say oh my brother did it or oh i shot jfk you've got to have evidence that's what he's telling you right okay is that that's what he's telling you right i mean that's what i said on the recording what is he talking about i have no idea that's what i'm telling you he keeps talking in scenarios i don't know what he's talking about right and last time when you when you testified in 2019 you said that he was just talking in scenarios you didn't have any specific member remember memory about what exactly i didn't remember anything specific right your attorney asked you today whether if last time you explained what was in the dolce vita video what you explained was that you remember him talking about scenarios you didn't know what they were you didn't have any specific memory of that yes ma'am okay um and you don't know why he's trying he's letting you know that hey in order to prove a crime they have to put the person at the scene of a crime you don't know why i don't know why okay um um in that one he tells you if this person went to the cops they're gonna be asked you know where's the weapon did you witness it no you just heard a rumor well that's worth zero you have to get them on a wire you have to get the person to confess outside of that there's no evidence that's what you heard right um parts of it yes ma'am okay and he's saying right that if you guys all keep quiet no one's gonna have any evidence of you right i didn't know what he was talking about i didn't know what he's talking he's saying scenarios over and over why is he talking to this about about this with you i don't know what is he saying the cops aren't going to have evidence of i have no idea you had no clue no and you didn't ask either did you that's your time i don't remember what we were talking about or if i asked i mean i hear myself responding but right but you you did say that you never asked why the cops would be running this undercover investigation right i believe so okay you were in this prius that garcia and rivera rented for the july trip to tallahassee you were in it at some point right no ma'am you never sat in it never said never rode with garcia just to get food or something no ma'am all right the father of your children wasn't that prius though right well with the with the picture that they've shown you see yeah he wasn't that prius okay and in this video or charlie adelson is giving you examples of how just because a person was in a car that someone used to commit a crime that doesn't mean anything right on what video on the dolce vita video i don't recall that part okay [Music] got one more okay [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] i know okay but my point is so here in those two clips we listened to he was saying you have to be able to put the person at the scene at the time not in the car let's say you sat in the car right then i go commit a crime but your dna is in there and i said katie was in my car and she did this horrible crime okay they get your dna in the car and it's okay okay katie was in the car no that means katie sat in the car for two minutes and got out katie has nothing to do with me robbing burger king that's what you heard right um parts of it yes ma'am okay and then he gives you another rental car example he said if you have a car and you can link this person to renting that car that's used at the scene of the crime you also have to prove who was driving that day you know they could have rented it and lent it to a friend then he gives you another one doesn't he he says you rent a car and i asked to borrow it i drive to orlando rob a mcdonald's and come back yeah you rented it but you were out you didn't even know i took your car doesn't isn't that what you heard parts of it yes why is he giving you so many rental car examples i wish i knew that's what i'm saying like he's saying scenarios don't you think it's kind of odd why is he saying all those scenarios in front of other people or whatever if like apparently if you thought that it was what did you say earlier that i'm wearing a wire no i think that he didn't think you were wearing a wire i think he thought that y'all were in a loud restaurant and he's trying to ease your mind and he's saying to you right that he's saying but why is he he keeps explaining himself like and he says i don't have anything to do with it why is he trying to convince me that he has nothing to do with it when i don't know what he's saying i'm sorry okay she's gonna ask the questions and you're gonna respond okay he is trying to ease your mind because the car that garcia and rivera rented to drive up here and kill dan markell had been on the news right i don't know of that you were nervous that police might be able to connect them to having rented it or been in that car weren't you why would i be nervous i never even knew of it you never knew that the car was on the news i knew from when sick fredo got arrested i think they put a picture of that of the prius he was trying to tell you in that video that it doesn't matter if they rented a certain car or were seen in a certain car police have to be able to put them at the scene of the crime at the time right that's what he had said on the on the video but i don't know what he was talking about so he's just talking about that you have no idea he's giving different scenarios okay one of the scenarios he gave was he said you know it could be the cops you know trying to run an undercover investigation or it could be somebody trying to blackmail his family that was the other scenario right yes ma'am why did he think somebody would be extorting money from his family i don't know that's what he was trying to figure out wouldn't you be curious as to why someone was trying to blackmail his family would i be curious i was curious that's why i sat there and they listened right but you never asked him why would somebody be trying to blackmail your family why are the cops doing this investigation on your family i don't know if i asked them at that time or not because apparently they didn't even you did not right well apparently then i don't i don't because i don't recall but if that video said or like it picked up anything that i was saying then i would know what i was talking about well you said in 2019 that you did not ever ask that right and now though the video is audible right and it's pretty obvious you would have known what was going on all right ask a question yes sir all right let's listen to one this more [Music] what in about 12 15 seconds in there you heard him say that you know if this was somebody blackmailing his family this is somebody who knows information that's what he said to you right if that's what he said on the video is that what you heard that this is i heard i heard a little bit in the end um but i didn't hear the first scent like what you were just saying right now what is he talking about that these people know information about i don't know keep telling i don't even remember okay is is all right so in that clip he's saying if there's this is a bad guy there's two ways of dealing with it we can go ahead and call the police they'll contact him and regis set up take him down but then he'll be telling everything he knows or else he's going to serve 10 years in prison and the next thing you know that person's singing and he's going to start calling your name out and my parents are going to have to say they're going to be asked the story of what happened isn't that what you heard i didn't hear that like not all of everything that you're saying but like i said i don't know what he's talking about well you heard him say at the end of that clip that they're going to be calling your name out that blackmailer right no i did not hear that with this bad guy who knows is going to tell the cops information why would he be calling your name out i don't know all right got one more this one [Music] [Music] so so good [Music] what reached out [Music] and frankly i don't know what you're talking about but the name sounds familiar um [Music] we will is [Music] scared well so in that clip after he explains that this bad guy could tell information to the police could call your name out he says this is my idea and he gives you very precise instructions doesn't he yeah he was talking about the calling to say to say it's um yeah he told you to say my friends have no idea what you're talking about and frankly i don't know what you're talking about either but the name sounds familiar who's incarcerated yes ma'am whose name did he think sounded familiar i believe it's because his mom got um bumped and said that you have to help your friends tato or something right like your brother tato i don't know he's talking about ortuto okay um the name tatou and tuto were familiar to you right and you never had to tell him who tuto and tato were he knew and you knew right i don't know if he knew well yeah he did you know he knew tutor's name okay i don't know about tato tato was the one who was incarcerated right yes ma'am okay and you knew that i knew he was incarcerated by the feds but i don't know where he was at all right and he said so i'm going to give you something as charity to help the less fortunate but do not contact these people again or they're going to the police the only reason we're doing it is because of karma and the whole time that you're talking this is what he's telling you to do right okay you're he wants you to say i don't know what's going on and only use the words help and charity right okay he really didn't want you to give this guy any information about what you knew did he didn't want to give who really didn't want you to give this blackmailer any information about what you knew right he's saying don't say anything else right no he's just he's trying to convince me now that how many times i've listened to it he's trying to convince me to do this if i was in anywhere shape or form in this with him why would he throw me to the cops and tell me to because you were the ex-girlfriend who took care of this problem for him you are his connection to these people he wants you to take care of it no they mentioned my name they mentioned tutor's name and then they mentioned about a brother being incarcerated which was tata i know and then he starts talking about sigfrato garcia right after this that clip right that we just heard he starts talking to you about siegfried garcia doesn't he we're freshmen like charlie adelson starts talking to you about siegfried garcia doesn't he i don't know who he was talking about is [Music] is see what i'm saying this person in that clip we just heard he's saying now he's with him he's with his wife if he's with the king himself you'd better kill him because he's going to be a big problem he knows who you are and if he can't do it have someone else do it right yeah but he's not talking it's talking about though there like he's not no okay well let's keep listening but one second he's telling you though in that part that i just talked about how mad garcia needs to be about this right some guy is messing with you putting your name out there as part of this and you need to kill him or he's going to be a big problem he either needs to do it or have somebody else do it right that's not that's what i'm saying like that's i don't think he's talking about the cradle there okay uh when when he says that to you why why don't we see you jumping up from the table why don't we see you raising your voice saying whoa we'll kill what are you talking about we don't yeah i would have said something like that but i didn't even know what you're saying about kale obviously i didn't react that way because it wasn't something that's like well you heard him say he better kill him or he's going to be a big problem either he can do it or have someone else do it you heard him say that right part of it yes ma'am okay and you didn't jump out and run out of there no okay you didn't raise your voice and start whoa whoa whoa i'm not being a part of anything like this did you no but he if he's like saying scenarios and he's talking about stuff like i'm probably not even like it's it's nothing that like made me like oh my god like what are you talking about like why are you even talking period charlie said so help me god if they with my family it's gonna be nazi this will be done i mean katie i don't care what i have to spend i swear to god he's telling you that he needs this guy killed and he doesn't care what he has to spend that's what he's saying right overall i mean if that's what he's saying i i can't i can't say what he was stating it for what did you understand him to mean when he said that charlie's always talking about dif you've heard people say that he's always talking about some weird stuff like that's not something that like oh somebody's messing with his family i get that and somebody's trying to blackmail his mom or whatever but it's not to the point where i was like you know like it didn't made me like whoa i have one question he said to you you better kill him or he's going to be a big problem he can't if he can't do it have someone else do it and he didn't care what he had to spend right objection accident that's been asked and answered you seem pretty calm when he's saying this to you wouldn't you agree with that i don't know how my demeanor was that's what i'm saying i don't i wasn't like whoa like i didn't run out and jet out of there had he said that to you before like when you wanted his brother-in-law killed said what he's never wanted to be killed he didn't care how much he had to spend to do it no ma'am he's never spoken about professor markell or murder or having anything to do with that that's why it didn't raise anything to me so i this is the same clip we've been this listening let's keep listening and see who he was just talking about hey what rice i'm so right after he's telling you he needs somebody killed he doesn't care what he has to spend 30 seconds after that he's checking in with you about siegfried garcia he says that six minutes and 57 seconds in that clip he knows i have you on salary you think you'd be happy to know that i didn't hear that you just bought a salary or nothing no he says he doesn't have any bad feelings towards me does he our paths never crossed that i can assume that maybe he is talking about sofrado right he says i didn't know the two of you would be working out he's talking about sigfrato there i believe so like with what he's saying at that part yes right after from what we just talked about he's saying this guy needs to be killed if he can't kill him find somebody else to do it he's going to be a big problem he's with me he's with his wife right objection he's talking about garcia right after that i don't know if he was talking about garcia are you talking about garcia now that he the part that where you're saying that oh our pats never crossed or whatever i can assume he's talking about sick fredo but at that time i don't think he's talking about kill and all of this and saying that it was him why didn't he just say his name you do admit though he's talking to you about garcia right after he's telling you that he needs to have someone killed and if he can't do it find someone else who can do it objection accident that's an answer all right so what he's trying to do and he's checking in does he have any bad feelings towards me i keep you on i have you on salary you think he'd be happy about that he's trying to make sure that garcia doesn't have a reason not to help you with this right i didn't hear anything about the salary and keeping him keeping me happy there was no overlap in us dating i keep you on the payroll right i i'm not gonna say yes to that because i don't believe that that's what so was he checking with you in that clip we just heard to see if garcia had any bad blood against him not at that part no ma'am all right next after he's checked he tells you what he needs done he's checking with you about garcia then about 20 seconds later oh is foreign he says to you you know it i don't have to sit here and tell you what i would do for you i show you what i do for you you know how i am i look for things to do what's your objection it's motions and lemonade judge just in in terms of miss dougal's interpretation of what is being said to the jury to decide that's overruled isn't that what he said keep going there he's saying i look for things to do for you don't have to ask me for i'm the one that's like hey someone's birthday is coming up i got you right that's what he said yes okay just like when he's offering to send you and your mom on a cruise right well he offered it but like i told you i had never went on a cruise without aiming for the dominican vacation right he looks for things to do for you okay to keep you happy i guess [Music] when you were with charlie adelson you were they you were sleeping with both charlie edelson and garcia at the same time right i mean they weren't aware of each other i mean they knew of each other but they didn't know you were with both of them at the same time right not that i was i mean it might have overlapped but i don't remember i don't remember that okay i mean i don't remember if it was charlie adelson didn't know that there was any overlap that he didn't know i don't know what he knew okay well he told you i we we didn't have any overlapping with the from the video right and you tried to keep them separate that was something that you did when y'all were when you were with charlie right you tried to keep garcia separate from him well i didn't think they'd like each other right garcia was jealous of charlie i believe so we heard charlie say he helps you out when it's somebody's birthday who's he talking about i have no idea i don't know if he's talking about secreto because i know there was a comment about like some gopro or whatever but isn't garcias when is garcia's birthday the 27th of april of april okay so is he talking about getting garcia birthday presents i'm not not to my knowledge i don't know i'm assuming maybe that's what he's talking about but why would he get garcia a birthday present he always jokes about stupid things like that why would he get his ex-girlfriend's boyfriend a birthday present i wouldn't know but he'd make jokes like that before just like the gopro but he never got him a gopro camera or whatever it was um after your discussion about garcia he checks in on garcia's game connections right see if those are still there who checks him charlie checks in he's never been in a game overall garcia's not in a gang this is fine like oh sorry [Music] all right so when i first started that clip he said i don't think they want to mess with his connections and he says is he so far removed does he still have people does he have anybody that he can call up that's right he's i didn't even you didn't kind of like hear what he's saying and i didn't hear that okay he then says to you at the end of that clip listen you giving money to somebody is not an admission of any kind of guilt i heard that part okay guilt of what i don't know what would you be guilty of exactly i don't know well then why is he saying that to you i don't know you were what did you understand it to me i don't know i can't interpret what it was happening at that time like i don't know what it means he was saying that because you were concerned that giving this five thousand dollars would make you look guilty right that would make me look guilty yeah if that's your assumption but i i didn't do any of that all right i have two more yeah i'm just going to object to the state's little subtitle all right it's coming out yes i'm going to object to the state using any demonstrative or anything that has their work product or their opinion on it all right it's overwhelmed it was just uh your identification it meant nothing to the jury it came up on the screen oh is [Music] all right he says let me ask you a question when everybody was there the next day did any of you take any money it's not like you're driving around in a bentley cruising around in a mega yacht you heard that right yes ma'am what did you understand that to me i don't know but now it kind of makes sense with everything that you know like with other people saying it about the money but nobody ever got money i don't know what when he said when everybody there was there the next day what day is he talking about i don't know isn't he saying when everybody you tudo tato were together the next day after the murder when you gave them the money none of you took it and did anything extravagant right and if y'all were that's what it's assuming that's what it makes it look like to me i see it now he's checking to see y'all weren't too flashy with this that would draw attention to you right okay objection mischaracterization of the evidence overall in the form of a question next time the student okay did you ask him what that meant no i don't recall if i did or if i didn't okay let's listen to the end of that clip and then i'll go straight into the very last one next at the end of that conversation in that last clip he says he said you know who this is coming from the inside what did you understand that to me i didn't understand what he was talking about he keeps saying it has nothing to do with me he's giving scenarios and your misinterpreting it and i can't remember because that was from 2014. okay i i did not did you hear him say you know who this is coming from the inside he's saying that but he's not saying it toward like he's not implying me directly what did you understand that to me i didn't know okay so not the inside circle you him tato tudo of who knew that's what i'm saying you keep implying these things and that's not you're taking it out of context and i know that looks bad now with everything that we've been hearing but it's obviously it didn't make me like oh my god like i said i didn't run out of there and think it was a big deal he chose you for a reason though right you were the person that he chose to take care of this i mean i know you're saying you don't know today but we heard you on the wiretap call in that call you say i i up for no reason you say this guy is gonna have a big ass problem i am the wrong person to god forgive him that he said the wrong name now this is my business you said that right yes ma'am and that's taken out of context as well were you i was angry by that yet i'm sure you were angry you were pretty tough in those calls though you were somebody who knows how to take care of things somebody who people shouldn't mess with weren't you you should have played all the other calls as well you just one little call that i was so upset already we've been he's been annoying me with this different scenarios right all the other calls today and i was you're acting you're pretending not to be that person you just don't know anything about anything didn't ask any questions objection improper question she's pretending to be someone today all right i'll strike the question ask another question today you're saying you don't know anything and you didn't ask any questions right yes ma'am why were you talking in code on the wire i guess that's what everybody's implying is code i know i made a comment saying like i'm so tired of this code or whatever because we're around i'm either around my co-workers i'm around my children i'm around other people so he's probably around his co-workers you told sigfrid or you told siegfried garcia that ethan's clothes cost 65.70 right yes ma'am those were actually the last four digits of the undercover undercover phone number that was a code right and i just did not want to say it over the phone somebody's phone number because i was either at work or i don't know where i was why would giving a phone number cause an issue for somebody at work or one of your kids he's trying to call some number that they want me to figure out if it's somebody blackmailing their family why would i say that phone number out loud right but you're not saying the whole story you've already told garcia the story when you're at home on the phone you're just giving him the number why couldn't you just say the number i just said it that way you didn't say the number because you were afraid law enforcement was might be listening and you knew exactly what it was about right why would i think they were listening i wouldn't use my phone all right you say that what's up you said that you got a burner phone and you got a burner phone the day after the police went to uh his job right i never got the burner phone i said sick fredo got the burner phone when after what before he got arrested didn't you think it was crazy that garcia wanted you to use a burner phone they just went the feds just went to go question him and at the same time i didn't even know that they were doing it at the same exact moment that they were banging on my door if you had nothing to do with the murder why did garcia get you a burner phone not just him i don't know he's the one who got it because he figured that it was somebody banging in the door and i guess that's why we wanted to talk but you'd have the same phone number your whole life weren't you curious as to why he wanted you to use a burner phone now no you didn't ask no the feds just came to his job okay um and after getting the burner phones you flood your home i never fled you never stayed at your home again i packed up myself a couple days after but my family wanted someone pack up your stuff no i packed it if they had the cameras over there they would have seen that i went there i packed my stuff and then i had one of sid fredo's guy friends to go do the u-haul for me because i can't lift anything you said that you had no idea that this murder of dan markel occurred that summer of 2014 right yes ma'am okay so he never sigfredo garcia never where did he say that he was going when you took him to the comfort rental car i never took him okay it's just a coincidence than that of all the places i never knew his whereabouts or whatever around that time because we weren't even together okay just a coincidence and that of all the places you could be in miami and that he could be in miami you're using a cell site that services comfort rental at the exact moment that he's renting a car and you go straight there time on the rental car and you go back home i never took him to go get a rental okay so that is just a coincidence you're saying if that's your opinion yes ma'am and he was also in that rental car as soon as he got back from that trip to tallahassee that was outside of your of your apartment right they had that yeah the gps ping on that parking lot but that parking lot other people live there okay did you ever see him in the rental car no i did not okay and you went right back to that area later that day right back to what area to the area of comfort rental car and you weren't taking the car back with him no i did not i never took him to get a rental what about when the prius was at your house the night before the tallahassee trip did he mention either of those times that he's at your house right before right after the june trip or right before the july trip where he was going and what he'd been doing i never even knew that the prius car was in the parking lot did he just did he say that he was about to go to tallahassee no i would have remembered if he said something about tallahassee he doesn't know anybody in tallahassee what about during the 15 or 20 times that you communicated with garcia during the june trip or the july trip he never mentioned where he was you never asked him where he was or what he was doing i never asked him where he was and he wouldn't tell me even if i was to ask him he doesn't tell me things what about the night of the murder you're july 18th when you're consistent with being at rivera's house after you go past yindra mascara's residence did you go to louis rivera's that night no ma'am where were you i don't recall what i where i was in july 18th okay well you were talking to garcia and then it shows you going up near rivera's house and then after that your phone is powered off for the night right and that's when you go spend the night at charlie's i don't know what happened in july 18. that's what it's saying on the pings or whatever well you told your attorney when she was asking you questions you did spend the night with charlie that night right no i was i i don't even remember where i was i don't know if i was up north or whatever i don't remember that day yindra was taking care of your kids that night right well apparently yeah when she had said that she took i didn't remember that day until she mentioned that it was it might have been that night okay yindra was taking care of your kids that night then that's it that's what that's what i'm saying is i don't see her my daughter was little at that time like i never leave my daughter overnight that's why it wouldn't make sense to me i'd never leave my daughter like overnight so linda was not telling the truth when she's no i i don't know if she babysat that day i just don't remember i don't recall ever leaving my children at night i was living with my mom at that time well if that was the case i would have had my mom because they would the kids would have been more comfortable charlie invited you over you're going up there your phone's powered off for the night and you're coming back for that direction that next morning that's the route that it's showing but i don't remember what i did that night during that time though right no i didn't i don't remember what i was doing okay what about the next morning the morning of july 19th when you and garcia were at rivera's place me and garcia barrera's place that was the whole situation there were so many different versions of that story okay well in your previous testimony you were asked what you were doing that day and you were shown this text you were shown this text and you said that this text means that you were at the pool that day at 11 you said that in your a.m testimony right i didn't know what time but i was at the pool from the text like i was showing the text and i guess i don't know what the time stamp was at that time okay this message does not say you're like 4 11 am right because you just got back from 4 54 pm yeah but what time did i go to the pool probably at the pool okay so so you were not at the pool at 11 a.m like you said in your prior testimony but when i was shown that i'm pretty sure it had like a time stamp or something on it i don't know why it's at 11 at a specific time because you were proper judge that's not what she said in 2019 okay if we could look at page 53 52 lines 23 through 25 and 53 lines five through seven i'm sorry can you say that again 52 23 through 25 and 53 5 through 7. objection improper impeachment that's what it says i just said that it said okay hold on a second take a look let's do can you take a look at it first okay you were asked where were you that day you said you took ethan to the pool you were shown that message you said do you remember what time and you said i believe it was 11. that's not correct you're not leaving you're right i'm looking at page 53 at the top say i believe it was around 11. i believe it said around 11. all right it's that's it's proper impeachment okay wow you were not at the pool though around 11am that day though were you for me to have said this day because i didn't remember what i was doing and for me to come up with that time it's because i was shown something well this is these are the messages about you going to the pool that day i see your messages now but at the time when we did this and i was shown what time i went to the pool i wouldn't have just come up with at 11 o'clock without seeing a text message with the time you said in 2019 you're you were took either into the pool around 11 a.m because that means that you wouldn't be at the money drop around 10 30 at 11 a.m right characterization of what she said all right that's sustained this you're going to move on there's someone asking the answer all right um you need to be mindful of the time also because i have to give time for redirect i'm almost done you call luis rivera during the june and july trips you called his old number right that 934 number you had in your phone as taro i called the number but i never spoke to lewis when you couldn't get in touch with garcia you called that no i believe so and you didn't talk to garcia because that wasn't his phone at the time right what the 934 number right yes ma'am okay you never talked to louis rivera on the phone usually not that i recall now okay you did talk you did talk to him though you called him those two dates and then you talked to him the day of the money drop july 19th right it said that he had called me right you called him he called you and then you called him back right i believe so that's what the prologue says and you spoke to him you tried to call him in june and july because you knew that he and garcia were together in tallahassee during that time i didn't know that they were here well then why would you call louis rivera i don't remember why i called him i called him in june and in july yeah on the june trip and the july trip if he was with garcia maybe i was trying to get a hold of garcia those were the only times all summer though that you called that number though that's what the expert said i don't recall that that's the only time if you were always trying to call rivera whenever you were looking for garcia you would have called it more than two times the whole summer right i don't recall that and then on july 19th the reason that y'all were talking that day you and louis rivera was because that was the day you were supposed to deliver money right i never delivered any money you said so the only time that you call him is during his june and july trip to tallahassee in the day of the money drop that summer and your phone locations are consistent with being at his house but those are just all coincidences you didn't have anything to do with this murder that's what you're saying yes ma'am aren't you mad at garcia and charlie for doing this and you're innocent and you're having an answer for it am i mad at them yeah yeah i've been upset if you were mad at garcia i mean just not long ago just this month you said on a recorded call to him i can't talk to you i can't touch you i can't see you i can't feel you and you're crying about it yeah he's the father of my kids i'm going to love him forever in this 17 000 cash bike during the six weeks after the murder being put on the addis adelson payroll even though you didn't collect rent you made the one appointment your four thousand dollar breast augmentation all of that within the two months of the murder those are just all coincidences to it you didn't have anything to do with this the money had nothing to do with anything that you did i've explained everything already okay all the favors that charlie did for you after you and him broke up the trips nothing nothing with that had to do anything with the murder that was just a coincidence too just him did being nice i guess so okay the fact that he called you out of all of his ex-girlfriends after his mom just said an ex-girlfriend was mentioned that's a coincidence too i guess so the fact that your husband committed a murder for your boyfriend that's also just a coincidence you didn't have anything to do with it i didn't have anything to do with it i mean those are some pretty unbelievable coincidences right objection that's sustained okay you either have the worst luck or you did this right objection and proper question sustained garcia would never do anything to help charlie edelson would he i wouldn't think that but with everything that's been that's all in the evidence and stuff i mean it looks pretty bad and you said in 2019 he would never do anything i did say that because i would never think that they would like each other in any way or do favors for each other okay i see why i'm in the middle i'm smack in the middle i see it that's why i'm fighting for my life and so you did say garcia would never do anything to help charlie andelson in my 2019 testimony yes i did mention that right and in opening your attorney said that there was definitive proof of a link between garcia and charlie what is it what did my attorney say no what's the link between garcia and charlie that they knew each other or they spoke to each other how i don't know apparently everything's being done behind my back that's why that's all thank you redirect macbeth yes ma'am let's talk about your memory yes ma'am all right miss dugan was not present at dolce vito was she no she was not okay and as much as she's trying to insert her opinion as what is being said it's just that right yes ma'am you have errors correct yes ma'am so does the jury yes yeah so they can listen for themselves of what happened at that that restaurant yes ma'am now i do want to talk about some things that miss dugan purposely left out that we could all hear on that video like the time when he said if they are the cops i'm happy because i have nothing to hide yes ma'am you remember when that was played miss dugan skipped over that part and went to what she thought she heard afterwards right yes ma'am and that's because that makes no sense of course if you are all involved in a homicide together why is charles adelson telling you that if it's the cops i'm happy that makes no sense no sense okay because if you were all involved in a homicide and it was the cops what would happen he'd get arrested and if you were involved what would happen i'd get arrested all right now she also brought up all of these portions of what charlie adelson is supposedly saying okay it's clear that half of that entire video is missing yes ma'am let's talk about how that enhancement came to be you provided testimony back in 2019 right yes ma'am that's before the state was able to create this new audio yes ma'am so when you testified in 2015 and answered questions you had no idea that they would even be able to create this new audio yes man that's what i stated that everything in my testimony is consistent with everything that was on the video that they just enhanced now let's get to that about just enhanced right you were set for trial in february of 2022 right yes ma'am valentine's day you were supposed to go to trial yes ma'am and then the state provided us with this magic well this new enhancement yes ma'am okay and we actually agreed to reset your case yes ma'am so that we could all get the enhancement yes ma'am because as far as we concerned it would only contain evidence to its culture exactly if you thought that there would be anything on there that would prove your guilt you would have gone to trial in february exactly you wouldn't have even given them an opportunity if you thought anything on that video yes ma'am would have come up against you yes ma'am and as we sit here and listen to this video this covert undercouple thing that they did do you hear any direct evidence in there of something to do with the homicide that's why i stated that i've never heard dan markel's name i never heard homicide i never heard murder i never heard tallahassee nothing and i'm telling you that he is going on and on about different scenarios like one of the clips that she played where he says he starts talking about a scenario like if i go to orlando and i rob a burger king there's no robbery of a burger king right yes ma'am are you here for a robbery of a burger king no ma'am okay but that's what one of the scenarios he prevented presented to you yes ma'am um he also mentioned about something about well miss dugan says he says something about robbing a mcdonald's yes ma'am okay he doesn't say any scenarios about a homicide yes ma'am or a murder yes ma'am it sounds like he is just trying to justify why it is that they would say your name and for me to make a phone call okay how many times did he repeat to you it's because they said your name if you can remember on this video um i can't recall how many times have you had an opportunity to sit down and listen to the video that we just received a couple months ago i haven't even seen it in its entirety because they can never get anything to the jail and so they can get that evidence was this that maybe the second time in this trial that you were able to listen to it this is like the second time okay and we still don't know what the first half was or this time that i went to the car for 10 minutes like they have no record of that right apparently that's what i wanted to know where was the record for that there's no video of that no video okay and had they been able to enhance the entire audio not just bits and pieces of what charlie is saying we would we wouldn't have to speculate about what that conversation was right exactly that's why i didn't want to commit to a certain thing that i'm saying or how i'm interpreting it because clearly it wasn't big enough for me to be like oh my god why are you talking about this or oh my god we gotta call the cops or me run away because you said this it's like everything was taken out of context just like my phone calls just like this video and and everything that we've all sat down and listening to every single thing there is no direct evidence of you being involved in a homicide no because they've had this video forever it would have been arrested a long time ago yes these wiretaps and this dolce vito that was all known to them in may of 2016 right i believe so before sigrid was arrested yeah yes ma'am they released your probable cause affidavit right yes ma'am and said it's because there was no probable cause to arrest you yes ma'am so they didn't have probable cause to arrest you until luis rivero was arrested right yes ma'am obviously if they had some direct evidence in those wiretaps they wouldn't need louis rivero yes ma'am okay so everything is innuendo and speculation yes ma'am you would expect if you are wiretapping people who are involved for over 400 recorded phone calls that there would at least be one thing in there right yes ma'am in the dolce vita video you can hear that you're talking yes ma'am okay your voice isn't raised no you don't sound like you're well we can't hear you at all yes ma'am okay so where miss dugan keeps asking you about things of what it is that you said we won't know because they can't clarify your voice right yes ma'am this case has always been focused on charles edelson yes ma'am the video was pointed at who charles whose voice is the only one that was able to be amplified charles and you're always the person that is left in the dark yes ma'am now going over i want to go over some of the text message that miss dugan tried to commit you to try and explain what they meant right yes ma'am okay can you tell me what we talked about i don't know four months ago on february 23rd of this year no ma'am okay do you even know what day of the week it was on february 23rd of this year no ma'am correct you were asked questions about text messages over the course of 2013 to 2016. that was that's why i was getting a little upset because i can't remember those times and i know they want me to commit to a certain date certain times certain scenarios and i just like i want to be able to provide that information and i can't now i'm referring to one of the exhibits that aren't marked that was previously shown to you in regards to text messages 2015 right i'm showing you this this is a snippet of a full global conversation right yes ma'am the state did not improve the entire conversation well that's why i had asked what's what did the rest say because they always take bits and pieces of everything and make it to look like something else and it looks bad i get it i see it this is my second time around i see how it makes it look so bad you see when you see these things in pieces even though it's you you're like this looks bad it looks bad and you understand why mrs says oh all these coincidences you understand that right yes ma'am but it's because they don't have the whole story yes ma'am we tried to introduce some of the phone calls right yes ma'am yeah i don't know why not but we couldn't i'm going to show you another text message that was shown to you about charles adelson offering to buy your trip by the way she's having a major surgery for her spine on january she has to be out for six months after she had something was hurting on her on her spine a back surgery that she needed to do yes ma'am and so charles knew that you were going through this with your mom yes ma'am you're very very close and you basically was offering for you and your mom to take a trip yeah apparently yes ma'am took that trip right no ma'am i couldn't [Music] you could never take that trip with her objection irrelevant no i can't because my mom passed away while i was in here okay and you've always felt that you hold the key to your own freedom right they've said that themselves that i hold the key to my own freedom that's sustained your honor disregard that statement it goes to our state of mind now i want to show you some other text messages that's already been introduced into evidence i'm showing you what's been marked as defense okay do you see the dates of this next message 3 12 20 14. okay and this would be the morning after you went dinner at yardbird right he called me and said yes ma'am can you read that i guess i don't know he called me and said have a nice dinner and to never call him again i'm like wtf and you're talking about here right yes ma'am these text messages come from charlie yes ma'am i don't know why we don't but that indicates that someone was watching you at dinner right yes ma'am and you said and it's not gonna be mad objection to leading that's sustained does it sound like it's mad yes ma'am also too kind of strange don't you think that charles would be asking you about tuesday the next day yes ma'am to see if you've maybe told you about their meeting the night before yes ma'am now let's look at defense exhibit 29. i'm letting go of the night job i'm not going in this weekend they're behind on paying me and and it's a lot of work like we shouldn't have to clean up after that what i tip out the bus boys for and they suck yes ma'am rejection can you ask for a date on that april i'm also put that you work in the office not at home all of these little statements that come from the icloud all of these are just little pieces of evidence that prove that you were working for it yes ma'am okay and there was a text message also about you paying for the lexus yes ma'am there's also paperwork to support that you're paying for the lexus yes ma'am but this is not a response that they want to hear from you no ma'am okay it's only about their truth yes ma'am not the real truth or what they have now i want to she asked you about charlie that there being evidence of charlie called in prescriptions for you yes ma'am did charlie treat your son or his father did dentally i believe i i don't quite remember he might have but you got services from them right yes ma'am i believe one time they even they're bringing up something about you pulling your wisdom teeth yes ma'am you need a prescription after that yes ma'am yeah oh no it wasn't for any type of weird prescriptions it was for the pain the viking i'm assuming it's like i don't even remember what it was for but have from like an extraction now the state tried to discuss with you about that money spike yes ma'am okay and she wants you to pinpoint where that money came from yes ma'am do you remember where that money came from no i didn't didn't even know that it was spiked up like that on that exact month and from look at this jury and say it was on that day right no ma'am i'm saying you could do that yes ma'am okay if you wanted to make the evidence look better for you yes ma'am okay but that's not what you've done no man even though you keep saying i i don't remember you've said i don't remember a lot yes ma'am let's talk to the jury why it is so difficult for you to remember what happened in 2014. why do you think it's so difficult for you to remember things besides the fact that it was eight years ago i've been incarcerated for six years and i had coveted twice and i just i i can't barely remember anything okay and then you are able to recollect certain specifics once these text messages were shown to you yes ma'am and it's because it jogs your memory yes man and it's right there even that i'm scared because who created those now this state is saying that it would be weird for garcia and charlie to be speaking as far as you knew right yes ma'am okay wouldn't it be more weird if charles adelson asked his girlfriend to ask the father of her kid whom hated him to commit a murder for him that'd be extremely weird okay the person who doesn't tolerate cocaine use is going to be okay with the murder right exactly now if law enforcement if you are even worried that you did anything wrong okay and that it could possibly be law enforcement monitoring what you're doing what would you or any other reasonable person do apparently everybody had a burner like i'm learning it every single time or don't speak on the phone if you were involved in this homicide and charles adelson came to you and said listen some dude from up north went and mentioned your name and tutor's name to my mom what's up you were involved in that would you have freaked out of course would you have agreed to call someone who could have potentially been the fbi yes you would have if you were involved oh no no no no no i if you were involved you'd probably say don't ask me to do that exactly exactly he kept pushing for me to do it that's the part that i don't quite understand he kept telling me kept telling me and he kept saying to you it's because they said your name yes ma'am he also says to you because they brought this out go in there and say that this is charity and give them the money is that because he says if they take the money then it's not the cops yes ma'am he also insinuates that hey we're helping out the cops by finding out who this person is right yes ma'am he even mentions in there that when we kind of bring him out we'll then call the fbi yes ma'am he was trying to convince you that he had nothing nefarious going on exactly okay and he just kept repeating himself over and over again and over that's why i wish they heard the other however many other calls or if there was an actual full recording of what was happening at that table yes ma'am okay miss dugan keeps saying that you didn't say this or didn't say that or your voice didn't get loud if you were involved your voice probably would have gotten louder right i mean what would i would probably be pissed off and reacting a completely different way because you'd be suspecting that oh my god i'm about to go down for a murder exactly and i have two kids exactly you wouldn't sit there and let him talk his mouth off right or continue to use the phone exactly why use the phone why meet up why be in a even a public place i mean can you pinpoint to all of the recordings that you listen to okay is there ever a time where there is something about anyone you talking about being worried about getting called by the police no man you are actually explain to the jury why you got so angry on that phone call on the the one that i was yelling at charlie to stop aggravating you and to do something about this because it was just so many phone calls after phone calls and he's been talking about the same thing over and over and over different scenarios or do this or do that or whatever and like you call him you you you call the number and is that part of what annoyed you is that he was pressured like you called you called yeah because they kept saying my name that's the only reason because they kept saying my name and every time you start saying i'm gonna call the fbi myself because if anyone's messing with me because i said your name i hear that now and i hear it from the phone call that is trying to calm me back down immediately as you suggest that you're going to call the fbi what does he say no katie listen yeah all of a sudden it's the other things about them talking about oh he you hear them saying oh they can't put you in a car and if that segment is in relation to his scenario talking about a robbery right i believe so like he's explaining to you probably why hey listen the fbi might be suspecting us of something but don't worry we're not involved in anything that's why i was getting kind of confused and like how she was saying like what was being said because i could barely hear it and i can barely understand it and like i said i don't want to commit i know how it is with this whole thing committing to certain things and then they go back and they make it look bad it already looks bad and i don't even know like the which clips i don't know if it's a consistently happening like that or that's what happened right after it because we were seeing different clips of the video and you trust that the jury can listen for themselves yes the entire video in its entirety yes ma'am that's why we waited for the for this video to come out so that my jury will be able to see this and we were hoping we could hear you yes ma'am but coincidentally we can't i don't know why i never moved from the table i was the same exact spot and we just can't hear you now the state also brought up the fact that charlie does favors for you and pays for things for you yes ma'am yes so do you recognize what this is okay yes ma'am hey do you see your name there yes ma'am and do you see charles eagleson's name there yes ma'am does this look like a fair and accurate representation of a segment of his icloud account yes ma'am the cell bright printout yes ma'am you're on it this time i move into evidence with the free mark of defenses any objection no reaction be admitted as defense 39 thank you thank you you know i'll pay you back no worries it's not a situation where charles adelson would just shower you with gifts and money you know he'd help you out sometimes yes and you'd pay him back yes okay you weren't driving around in fancy expensive cars right no actually that lexus that i bought from him always broke down that's why he was helping me with sully because of the fact that i bought that and then he just breaks down every time anyways i was getting frustrated with the car he didn't pay your rent he did not pay my rent he didn't pay your kids tuition no ma'am okay he didn't buy you fancy bags like how june has and fancy shoes no ma'am okay okay i want judge i'm going to just take the they're two separate exhibits let me show it to the state i'm going to go ahead and give them to tracy so she can mark them okay and then i'll answer a few questions so that when i do this i can all right now you had mentioned previously and miss dugan brought it out that there were times that you were speaking in code on the phone yes ma'am okay you can hear it right now back in 2019 when you were on the oath and you were asked about this you admitted that you were talking in cold right yes ma'am and you said to the state exactly why it is that you are speaking that way yes ma'am does charles adelson whenever he talk for example about marijuana how does he refer to it on his on the calls and encode the bonsai tree and the right trait yes okay so it wasn't unusual to him to you that he was kind of behaving that way and that's the thing when he starts talking it's like you kind of like pick up like kind of how his you know like his way of talking his little lingo and it's like you're talking kind of like back like him but you're not really it's not like because you're doing a code or you're coming up with this elaborate scheme of how to talk on the phone you want to talk on the phone to begin with since the date of your arrest have you heard a peep from charles adelson no ma'am okay has he done anything to help you no ma'am okay have you even spoken to him no ma'am and you've known from the date of your arrest who the state wanted yes ma'am okay they made it very thick yes ma'am and you know they wanted you the next question is do you know they wanted you to cooperate all right you can ask that you know they wanted you to cooperate yes ma'am okay and it would be as easy as you could have pled guilty and just given them what they wanted right yes ma'am but that wouldn't be what truthful okay you'd have to lie about your involvement exactly or how whatever they wanted me to say okay and you've tried to explain yourself to the government over and over again plenty of times okay and your story has never changed since day one never changed not like louis rivera's definitely not like louise okay and you know that this is a very tough time for you right now sitting here having to answer all of these questions about your personal life right yes ma'am okay and there's a camera behind us yes ma'am so you've had to go through this before and have all of your personal business all over everywhere right yes ma'am it's not easy and you're still elected to get up and do it again today yes ma'am why because i want them to know the truth it has to come out for me all this speculation and all of this evidence and how everything's been it's i've been living this for six years and i just if i didn't come up here and i didn't talk to my jury i don't even know i don't know what the outcome would be all right so that's 40 and 41. all right now be admitted i decided to not a medical self-made it just adds a lot of stress to my life and almost nobody gives an edge and that's in october 28th 2015. charlottesville apparently lends a lot of people right and then this one we'll talk about one of the times the car goes down 11 18 2014 oh my god i have a bad and bad news i have to take it back tomorrow but the parking loan is expensive for both so i need a loan buddy imagine if i took it to another mechanic i just texted selling my cc which is the credit card yes ma'am i'm taking care of katie's car squad are you sure it's going to be like a granddaughter now this is between charles ableton and solid right okay yes ma'am this is behind your back to try and play with them no i don't i don't i don't like to owe anybody anything no further questions all right mr vandal you may step down the council table is it defense calling any other

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