Defense attorney grills witness Luis Rivera on what he knows about the killing of Dan Markel

and we're ready to continue now with the cross-examination of mr rivera so we're going to bring mr rivera into the courtroom at this time good morning miss rivera before you have a seat uh it's a new day so we're going to swear you in again okay sir please raise your right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you shall give shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you please have a seat that's good thank you mr coast you may continue with your cross-examination thank you huh mr rivera last night when you left here you went back to the jail right when you go back to the jail it's you yourself and yourself right yes sir and it's been that way since you were arrested in 2016 on this case right yes sir so what that means is you're not going through the daily activities that a person on the outside goes through right yes sir you don't have to remember to turn off the stove pick up the kids stuff like that yes sir you don't have to remember to file your taxes to go to the doctors go to the dentist stuff like that right yes sir it's been a matter of being in your cell with your thoughts with your agreement with this office right yes sir your sole job since 2016 has to be to remember your testimony in this case yes sir let's talk about guns the june trip there was two guns right yes sir both 38 caliber yes sir 38 smith and wesson short nose yes sir in a blue steel long nose taurus yes sir garcia had the blue steel yes sir you had the short notes yes sir you agree you you bought that short nose yes i did sir you bought it to come up here yes sir and you bought it from a quote neighborhood uh neighborhood from a black boy yes sir that's what you told law enforcement about where you acquired this gun yes i did and again to make sure it's clear you acquired this gun after a conversation with garcia yes sir well he was renting the car to come here yes and you don't know the name or even really a description of the guy that you got the gun from no sir correct me if i'm wrong the latin kings transfer and distribute guns yes sir on direct examination miss kaplan asked you how many guns were brought for the murder trip right yes sir and your answer was two i said i'm going to ask you again how many guns were brought for the second trip your second trip the murder trip can't remember [Applause] would it help your your memory to listen to your statement from october 4th of 2016. yes sir if you could put on those headphones for me please oh yeah mr bear did listening to yourself refresh your recollection yes sir i'll ask you again how many guns were brought one all right so now we have it not what you told the government when they ask you the question about two guns now it's one gun yes sir i mean we all make mistakes it's been eight years memories you forget stuff eight years who's gonna remember and again the only thing that you've had to remember over the past eight years is your testimony yeah i'm gonna sit down to myself and think about this right here let's talk about the bullets you bought those correct yes sir you bought those at a gun store yes sir on biscayne yes in between 112th and 117th yes sir the guns that we spoke about there's the blue steel long nose and the short notes the one that you bought all right so the short nose that you bought that gun was the one that was dumped yes sir and it was dumped you say near a bridge yes sir by garcia yes sir on the ride home yes sir no you claim that you wanted to help them find the murder weapon right yes sir but in actuality you never wanted them to find it no they i don't know what bridge so many british we passed through i'm never gonna know correct me if i'm wrong law enforcement knows the very precise route you took so it's not a matter of checking all bridges in the state of florida correct i gotta remember the bridge sir that's not my question law enforcement knows the precise route that you took home right i guess so and they drove you on that precise route yes sir and you never pointed out the alleged bridge that the gun was just through so many bridges sir i'm not gonna remember just like i told them i don't remember the bridge i'm showing you what's been entered in in event six this was your best attempt at helping them find the the murder weapon in this case right you drew this yes sir now let's talk about the amount of times that you went out looking with them you haven't been out with them since 2016 correct yes sir and in fact you only went out a couple of times a couple of days a couple of hours to look for this gun right i don't remember a couple of times but i don't remember was it less than that maybe one time one time you get into a van they drive around look at a couple of couple of bridges and then give up i mean i can't remember you did what you said you were going to do which is to put it away and buried that [ __ ] somewhere no one is going to find it but me yes sir you said that right yes i did and that's what you did with this gun no sir the gun was never found right i never ditched it nowhere i never threw it away that wasn't my job you bought the gun i bought the gun you handled the gun handle it like what type will you come on well you remember how you told us that time that the guy walked in the hotel room and you picked up both guns and you pointed it at them yes sir all right so you touched that gun yes i did and you gave vague information where it was acquired from and you gave very little information as to where it was disposed of you did that to protect yourself on both ends didn't you not at all sir now you are aware that if law enforcement were to get that gun you could be federally prosecuted you know that no sir do you not know that do you not remember me being prosecuted for if they find a gun do you not remember knowing that if they had that gun they could tie it to interstate commerce do you not remember knowing that i don't remember your honor if i could have one brief moment okay second deposition page 279 finds see what mr rivera understands first you're going to refresh this recollection let's see what mr rivera understands first she's going to do that as well okay to save the trips back and forth all right mr rivera this young lady is just going to give you some assistance uh with reviewing this transcript if you feel comfortable reviewing it yourself and understanding it then uh you can review it and understand it and you just let me know but if for some reason you don't uh she's going to help you or read it to you quietly excuse me okay all right that's what she'll do then so thank you awesome thank you mr rivera has your memory been refreshed yes sir and we were talking about why we would hide the origin in the disposal of the gun and i had asked you about you being federally prosecuted you were you were aware and you know that if they have that gun they could tie it to interstate commerce and federally prosecute you on this case yes and it says that i'm not sure but yes yes that you are aware of that not sure if they could but you're aware that it's that it's a possibility yes not sure if they could but yes i'm aware of it and that's something that would be a concern because you can't fight the feds yes sir now that gun it would be evidence against you right yes sir that you're the shooter i'm not the shooter you know it's interesting that you say that one moment sir barry and that garcia got out went inside and shot professor markell right yes sir but you knew that professor markell's window was up right yes i can see it you also knew that he was on the phone when he got shot right i pulled up right behind him i could see him and you also knew you happened to have the detail that he raised his arm when he was shot in her face i can see that too those are odd details for fredo garcia to shoot him to jump back in the car and say drive hey and by the way he was on his phone the window was up and he raised his arm i can see everything sir i pulled up right behind him when i was asking you questions about your testimony about claiming to see wendy adelson walk down that driveway and into the house today before the murder and i'm going to give this to you for context so you know where i'm going you remember how i had asked you questions about your exchange with garcia how he said she's here to make sure it's getting done how then he made a phone call to catherine mcbanoa and he made that before noon on thursday now i asked you that question you didn't remember do you remember now was that phone call before noon on thursday i don't remember the time would it would it help your memory if you were to listen to yourself from your recording on 10-4 maybe what clip is this please okay so c so did that help your memory yeah and when was it that you said that this phone call happened i said maybe by noon all right you said before 12 noon on thursday correct yes sir those are your words yes sir so just to make sure that we have the context correct so it's from yesterday you have this alleged sighting this alleged conversation with garcia and before you get back to the hotel before 12 noon he's on the phone with katie finding out what's going on yes sir you made all that up didn't you no sir now you were banking on the fact that garcia having children with katie is always on the phone with it right yes sir in evidence we have kathy mcmahon with cell phone records and would you be surprised to learn that there is no phone call between siegfried garcia and catherine mcmahon before 12 noon that day would be surprised if i tell you they had throw away phones so your testimony now is that catherine mcbanawa had a throwaway phone they both had their away phones your honor if i could have one brief moment okay mr rivera on october 4 2016 you gave the recorded statement right don't remember on november 29 2016 you appeared before a grand jury in this case correct yes sir on march 22 2019 you appear for a deposition in this case correct yes sir january 31st 2018 the year before a sec a different deposition in this case correct yes sir you've sat in that chair before back in 2019 on october 1st and october 2nd correct yes i did sir and you have never made that claim before that there was a disposable phone i believe i have isn't this you just evolving your story to to keep up for the mistakes no sorry let's talk about cars let's focus now on the june trip aren't your words the first time we came up i never drove the car at all i never drove the first car i'm showing you what's been entered in is state exhibit 65 first terms in june correct yes sir you get a citation for driving that car right yes sir and in fact you were alone in that car because you were alone on the first trip no sir not at all so you get a citation but you weren't driving the car that's what six for you so secretary was driving but you get the ticket he was with me i think we had changed i think we had stopped somewhere i remember i think we had to stop and we just just for that moment i drove a little bit isn't this your testimony evolving again you make a mistake the same integration as they want man you're not gonna see him try to confuse me back and forth mr rivera didn't you just say two minutes ago to this jury you never drove the first trip i can't really remember but now you say yeah i mean when i got the ticket if that was the first car i guess you remember everything she asks you but not what i present you with right i tell the same thing i tell you if i don't remember i don't remember if i say yes yes they know it's no you know you make no mistakes about the alleged claims against miss mcmahon but when presented with evidence showing that you're wrong on details then oh i i don't remember i'm not wrong not at all sir everything i say is nothing but the truth let's keep going now that's right you have the june trip you have the murder trip mr rivera how many trips were made for the purpose of this this killing actually let let's wait on that for a second we'll come back in a minute on direct examination you testified that the the purpose of the june trip this one where you got the citation being a passenger that the purpose of the first trip was to scout it out that was your testimony yesterday right yes sir a brief moment mr rivera you appeared before grand jury back in 2016 correct yes sir and it was for the purpose of this is after you get your deals to the purpose of indicting miss mcvanwell right yes sir i wasn't there right we're in the courtroom no defense attorneys were there correct yes sir none of us yes sir there's a court reporter taking down your words correct yes sir and you swore to tell the truth and nothing but the truth yes sir ms capman asks you the question okay and what was the purpose of the first trip to tallahassee answer the purpose of the first trip was to do the murder of the first trip question to do the murder answer yeah but i didn't want to do that we were supposed to scope out the place and if it would have got done it would have got done that day but it never happened your testimony years back was the purpose of the june trip when you were alone was to do the murder that was your testimony right to do the murder yes but when she asked you yesterday it's a different answer i've been years man i can't remember when you're in your cell i don't think about this tell that one more time i don't say to myself think about this so don't ask me that question again repeating yourself over and over mr vera let's talk about trips there was the june trip and then the murder trip right those are two of the trips but i'm going to ask you an open-ended question how many trips were there to tallahassee for the purpose of killing professor marquette two trips i believe it was two trips that i said two trips yes sir second deposition paper 103 lines 16-24 which i'm going to object on this one improper impeachment do you need to be more specific on the record i think so all right let's go side by okay so uh two trips right yes sir you remember a few years back miss kawasa and i coming out to arizona to take your deposition in usb tucson right yes sir we sat in a room miss kawas miss kaplan myself you and a court reporter right yes sir you were sworn in before that deposition you swore to tell the truth nothing but the truth right yes sir you have a cooperation agreement where you have to give truthful testimony complete testimony right yes sir and the court reporter took down all of your words yes sir do you remember me asking you like sick fredo you were coked up and drinking the whole trip you the whole trip and back out every day me this is the first trip in june the witness the first trip in june the second trip the third trip every time we went up there we was always coked up and drinking me there was a third trip you we're gonna get to that there was only two trips you slipped up didn't you no sir see your discovery the reports that you got from their office only talked about two trips right yes sir so that's why your testimony was there was only two trips there's only been two trips but when you were asked questions on a different topic you couldn't keep your story straight and you said we not they we the first trip in june the second trip the third trip every time we went up there we was always coked up and drinking those are your words right yes i wasn't tricking you right we asked you a straightforward question about drugs and alcohol and you said third trip two trips which is inconsistent with the information that you had received in your discovery before you cooperated now mr rivera and all your other prior times october 4th january 31st november of 2019. i'm sorry november of 2016 october 1st and 2nd 2019 no mention ever of a third trip i don't remember that third trip you would agree with me if you were to change your testimony to slip off no sir and it were to be found that there were a third trip that you would be in violation of your cooperation agreement with that office no sir you don't agree with me that if they were to find out there were a third trip that you would be in violation of the agreement where you must give the truth in the complete truth i only came out twice that's not my question you would agree with me that if you left out a vital fact a vital trip that you would be in violation of your agreement can we agree on that yeah yeah you've previously sat in that same seat and tried to repair that mistake haven't you no sir you haven't sat up there before and said you know what it was sick fredo garcia and king anthony that made a trip you've never said that before yes sir now you're trying to remember my memory is coming back yeah okay that third trip you're talking about that he came up with somebody else not me so there is a third trip i remember now that you say yeah i remember saying that but you're saying that i came up here three times i only came out twice that third trip was somebody else you need to say the whole story you're just saying half of the thing i i said three i only came up three times i wasn't there i don't know the truth but if it's in that paper read it out right okay we you understand what we means right not they we yeah okay but you then tried to correct that because again you'd be in violation of that agreement it was no no sigfredo garcia and king anthony but that's what we're focusing on right now that you've previously said that there was a third trip secreto garcia and king anthony right and you know that because apparently sigfredo garcia told you that there was this third trip yes sir you see the stack of paperwork in front of me right unless you know that you you've given sworn testimony ten times before yes sir the closest that you've gotten to ever mentioning that third trip was the wii statement and then in october of 2019. in your recorded interview october of 2016 you never mentioned a third trip right i think i did your honor um mr rivera uh your october 4 2016 statement is roughly three hours correct one brief moment thank you so it should be in your statement right you should be it definitely wasn't in your discovery right i don't know i can't read so i never read that discovery yeah but you had two attorneys and they reviewed it with you i mean they've been a long time sir so in the years let's sidetrack for a moment in the years you've had tons of meetings since your cooperation tons of meetings with their office correct yes you've sat down for hours on end with investigator jason newell their investigator not tallahassee police department with jason newland reviewing your testimony uh don't remember he reviewing no testimony but i don't remember that so all the times that there are orders to transport you from jail to their office wasn't for the purpose of reviewing your testimony i mean every review but you talk about my discovery testimony and all that no what i'm talking about is specifically your testimony and specifically whether you ever told jason newland about a third trip i don't remember okay so you don't remember whether you told jason nolan agent patrick sanford or investigator craig isom about a third trip i remember them so you told them about this third trip yeah i don't think jason was there okay so you told all right you told agent sanford investigator isom about this third trip between sigfredo garcia and one of your latin king brothers yes sir all right you would agree with me that if you didn't if you never mentioned that that you would be in violation of your cooperation agreement yes let's talk about your communication with the outside world when you're in federal property okay when you were in coleman if you could explain to the jury what coleman is coming it's a federalist that's a common one it's an acting yard there's a real violent yard they don't play over there so back in 2016 before your charge in this case you're in coleman correct yes sir and you agree with me that you're able to get access to both legitimate and illegitimate phones while in coleman right yeah that you were able to have a three-way call with sick fredo garcia through one of your brothers i never called him on the phone i'm sorry i never spoke to him in the phone or did a three-way it was like a like a text text service now that and some of that happened through a guy named lean back correct now lean back as a king yes and you would send emails through the system that you have in federal custody to lean back and then he would send out texts on your behalf probably sound like one email if i believe all right now in may of 2016 starting in may of 2016 you're able to communicate via this this messaging system with sigfrato garcia correct yes now during that time you're also communicating with jessica rodriguez the mother of your children correct of course and you're doing that through email yes sir and her email correct me if i'm wrong is sienna negron 1020 gmail.com yes sir that's s i a n n a n e g r o n 1020 at gmail.com right yes sir and on may 10 2016 right around the time of the wiretaps you email her asking for garcia's cell phone number yes sir do you agree or do you deny that then in may 2016 sigfredo garcia is receiving text messages from somebody saying this is tata yes sir and that's you right yes sir and that's you sending those messages yes let's stay on the topic of garcia where garcia lived he was living on 186th and biscayne correct yes there's a period of time that he was living with king anthony right if you remember probably i think so around the time of 2014. yeah right now let's stay on the topic of sigfredo garcia but talk about catholic he loved her right crazy about her yes would do anything for her of course you have known sigfredo garcia your entire life right yes sir you refer to him as brother yes sir now this isn't just something that you guys hang out on the weekends you very much are together in the same community hanging out yes sir you know everything about each other yes sir you know his reputation in the community yes sir you know that his reaction if somebody were sleeping with katie he'd confront them right of course try to run him over yes sir you agree with me that it is in siffredo's character that he would find somebody that's sleeping with katie right yes sir can hurt them yes sir meaning meet them face to face yes sir let's talk now about the dentist and catherine you agree with me that garcia knew about the relationship yes sir he knew about the relationship with the dentist yes sir he told you that he knew about it yes sir and he also told you he was her boss the dentist was her boss yes sir and he knew the guy's name yes you'd agree with me that secreto garcia was angry right yes sir andy was jealous yes sir now because of this because the love of his life was with somebody else let's back up for a second sigfredo garcia does well with women correct yes sir very much yes sir he's got real real light green eyes right almost like lime green girl's flock to him charismatic guy right very very well spoken very tough guy right yes sir but for the first time there was a he had some competition yes sir because the guy that he was in competition with had the one thing that he doesn't have which is finances yes sir although sigfredo being the guy that that was very good with women he was never really financially secure right yes sir so because of this sig fredo for the first time in actual jeopardy of losing catherine he was going through a lot right yes sir he was desperate yes he was drinking every day he was doing coke like every day right every day and he was doing it more than usual yes sir it wasn't usual for him to do it every day but he was off he he was not himself yes sir he was fighting a lot every day and this is around the time of 2014 when they're broken up so between the end of 2013 half of 2014 he's losing it right yes sir he's violent and erratic yes sir and he actually went so far as to stalking the dentist right yes sir and you remember a specific time where in that truck right yes sir that black dodge truck that you guys went to a restaurant right yes sir and what you saw was kathryn rambano sitting outside with the guy that she was dating and he was flipping up yes sir he was furious right yes he actually wanted to take that truck and run over the dinner party that they were with right yes he was so angry you had to stop him yes sir now let's make sure that we have the context before the murder they're broken up right yes sir and then right after the murder they're back together right mr garcia played you didn't he yes sir yes yes he confronted charles what you mean come like you said was in his nature that this guy would confront the guy that was in between him and the woman that he loved yeah that was his nature to do that right yes sir like you said was in his nature yes sir like he told you he would do yes and that confrontation turned into a negotiation between him and charles adelson right you think they spoke you've told us that this guy would absolutely confront that other guy right of course and it would be very awkward what i'm saying is that sigfrato garcia came to you with a job but he never told you it was for he couldn't tell you hey that guy that i just wanted to run over we're gonna do a job for him because you as a latin king boss you would say that doesn't make any sense the government told you katie was involved right no sir no sir you went along with it no sir because you can't fight the feds no sir so you took it and ran no sir she's been involved the whole time it's only when he speaks to i'm sorry it's the only girl he speaks to is katie whatever she tells him to do he jumps and do it that's his weakness heard right there all right redirect yes um um okay mr rivera you were asked if you agreed to the government government specs do you remember being asked that it was facts did you agree to the government's facts i think the question is did you read or have read to you the reports in this case and then just regurgitate whatever was in the reports is that is that what you did all right when you cut a deal what was your understanding of what you had to do to get the benefit of the deal cooperate and does cooperate mean regurgitate every single thing that's in the police reports yes ma'am all right well what's in the police reports includes charlie adelson being involved in this case you don't know anything about that do you no ma'am so you're not able to regurgitate that fact are you oh well would you agree that it would be helpful to the state you know we're prosecuting charlie adelson right yes it would be helpful if you could say charlie adelson did it yes ma'am but you can't do that can you no man because you don't know that fact do you know only person that knows that fact is katherine magbano right yes ma'am because that's who she was dating yes ma'am okay and you did correct us on some things we had wrong didn't you and for example the money drop you got the money the next morning not the night of right yes ma'am and that wasn't in the police reports was it no ma'am we didn't know about that until you told us did we yes ma'am we didn't know y'all shot a hole in the prius did we until you told us yes ma'am that wasn't in the police reports was it no objection you're honored all right let's be careful of the leading questions please the facts that you agreed to did we basically get it right yes and the facts that you agreed to are those the facts that you personally have knowledge of yes ma'am where does shrimp live miami beach i don't know the agile but she's staying miami beach do you remember the map that mr dakota showed you with the little island does she live on that island yes out there okay and that's where you sent somebody to pick up garcia to come get the money at jessica's house the morning after the murder yes ma'am all right and before you sent somebody to go get garcia from shrimp's house did you have your phone in your possession i had two phones and um uh anthony has my other phone all right and one of the phones that you had in your possession that morning of the money drop did you use that phone to talk to catherine mcvanilla she called me and what did she tell you she like was going to come get this money she had the money and y'all need to come get it right yes ma'am and that's why you sent somebody out to find a guy on their leading right miss kaplan let's be careful of leading questions please there's our leading questions you were asked if garcia was stupid and made mistakes in this case do you recall being asked that did he did he mess up by talking on the phone using his phone making christmas okay you were stupid too weren't you i mean you made some mistakes didn't you both was stupid you're wearing blue partially because you got caught in this case right yes ma'am all right and you brought a phone to do a murder yes yes ma'am did you rent a car in your own name to come to a murder yes posted something on instagram from tallahassee while you were here objection your honor read it that's not a leading question did you post something yes okay so all those are mistakes that ended up helping to get you caught yes ma'am all right and you were shown this exhibit states the monster to see objection i didn't show the witness that exhibit have you seen this exhibit before objection outside of the scope of cross overrule all right i know you don't remember the phone number but you've seen this exhibit before today haven't you yes ma'am all right and you were asked about these phones and these phone numbers way back when we first started asking you questions about this case yes ma'am years ago right yes all right and you authenticated those two phone numbers back at that time when your memory was better as being your phone numbers yes ma'am okay so you don't remember those numbers as you sit here today i mean i've been a long time but that's okay i just want to clarify what the situation is with the phone numbers you did remember them at one time yes ma'am okay and those you have seen that exhibit before and authenticated those phone numbers as your phone numbers yes all right okay how long was the deposition at coleman prison i can't remember who was asking you questions well to the detective no i'm talking about the prison when we did the deposition oh yeah i don't know the names like that but the two lawyers the two lawyers were asking you questions and that went on for a whole day right objection again leading overruled how long did it go on [ __ ] it was a whole day long time okay all right you were asked many many questions among them um were you asked about this the trips and how much you were drinking on the trips how much cocaine you were using on the trips were those sorts of questions asked of you yes well and have you always maintained in that deposition and all the other statements that you were in fact using cocaine and alcohol improper bolstering always maintain overrule yes ma'am that's not in dispute is it normal okay and when you were asked about this third trip you know i asked you about in the police reports there were some things that you didn't agree with do you recall something being in the police reports are you being asked questions about a woman seeing two men behind dan markel's home before sometime before the murder yes ma'am all right and what is your testimony regarding whether that was you behind dan markell's home sometime before the murder scene by this lady no ma'am you didn't do it no you weren't there no so that if that was garcia he had to be with somebody else yes ma'am all right and you don't have any knowledge of when that trip occurred no way if that trip even occurred you weren't here but if a tall guy and a short guy were behind that home that wasn't you no ma'am and have you always maintained that yes ma'am all right so you've never told anybody that you came here on a third trip have you ever told anybody that you came to tallahassee on a third trip only came on two trips all right and in the deposition taken of you on march 22 2019 you say and i'm on the bottom of page 109 starting on line 23 question why would he have gone with anthony answer because he was one of us we used to hang out together and there was some short person that went back there supposedly in the back of the house and i ain't never walked back there and he's short like me is king anthony short yes ma'am like you yes ma'am and that's why you thought maybe this is the you're going to see eating and proper impeachment we've got leading questions and reading a transcript all right miss kaplan this is redirect you're asking leading questions i understand you're moving things along but you need to clear up your questions and uh not ask them in a leading form okay or else i'm going to start interrupting you from this point forward yes sir and so how did you learn that someone was seen behind the house some short guy all right final detective all right and you did you or did you not or something else disagree that you were the one that was back there that was never back there it wasn't you all right do you enjoy having to testify against your friends no would it have been easier for you if your testimony could have been against someone else a stranger not at all nobody you think you've been hard no matter what you had to do yes ma'am but it was it particularly hard that you have to testify against your best friend and his wife that's hard it hurts were you loyal to these folks before this all went down yes ma'am when did the defendant and sofrato garcia get back together after the murder when was the first time they got back together i can't remember do you remember giving a testimony previously that that occurred at the manny pacquiao fight yes ma'am all right and the manny pacquiao fight was in may of 2015 wasn't it improper and proper refreshment that it's just being said in open court to the witness when was the manny pacquiao fight i don't remember what day was it i know it was on a saturday and that's the day they got together because i tried to put him me and jessica try to put him together because i want to bought some shirts from her that day all right and so it wasn't until approximately 10 months after the murder that they got together not the or was it right after the murder as you were asked on cross-examination objection your honor proper refreshment if we can go side by side no overrule can't remember okay can you remember that it was definitely the fight or could it have been sooner probably the fight with your recollection it was it occurred at the fight probably the fight okay but you just don't remember when the fight was yeah i don't remember when the fight was okay all right let's talk about this supposed um confrontation that occurred at a restaurant you you know which one i'm talking about where you were with sigfredo garcia watching katie with the dentist at the restaurant i'm a truck yes ma'am okay and during that whole episode did sigfredo garcia ever get out of the car i can't remember so he might have gone up and confronted the dentist and you just don't remember no he never got off the car confronted him at all all right that's my question did they actually did the two meet no ma'am did they fight no man did they have a verbal argument no ma'am did see fredo garcia confront him that night about hey you're sleeping with my woman no all right and is that something he would have told you of that yes he had done objection speculation moved to strike that is speculation that's sustained what type of relationship did you have with siegfried garcia back then we had a great relationship like my brother all right did he confide in you everything he did he tell you everything objection speculation uh it's over rule you tell you everything basically everything yes ma'am you were together every day weren't you every day all right and you were there when this incident occurred at the restaurant yes ma'am and that it didn't happen as far as him confronting the dentist no ma'am no face-to-face no no physical no objection asked and answered multiple times over rule and what did y'all do after that confrontation how did you unwind him uh we just we left we just i said man we can't he wanted to run the truck right through the restaurant tell them no we didn't do that now with me in the truck but when they're leaving we just left all right do you remember what y'all did that night no did you hang out together every day we hadn't go okay and that night was no exception all right we don't got it we hung up that night i don't know where okay we don't have to know where but did y'all spend time together and did he recover himself from being upset as upset as he was yeah a little bit okay all right nothing further josh all right uh do you want uh mr rivera retained yes sir okay mr vera will be retained uh thank you you'll be escorted back thank you miss kaplan do you have another

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