♪ DAGEN: SENATOR KYRSTEN SINEMA TARGETED AGAIN. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW -- [INAUDIBLE] IMPLEMENT THE PASSING -- [INAUDIBLE] PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP -- [INAUDIBLE] DAGEN: REMEMBER WHAT JOE BIDEN SAID YESTERDAY? >> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE TACTICS, BUT IT HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY EVERYBODY. [LAUGHTER] THE ONLY PEOPLE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SECRET SERVICE STANDING AROUND THEM. SO IT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS. DAGEN: JOINING ME NOW, KARL ROVE, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH AND FOX BUSINESS CONTRIBUTOR. KARL, THIS CONTINUED HARASSMENT OF SENATOR SINEMA WAS ENDORSED, SANCTIONED BY JOE BIDEN YESTERDAY. >> SURE SOUNDED LIKE IT TO ME. WONDER IF HE'D FEEL THE SAME WAY IF PEOPLE HAD HECTORED HIM ON HIS AMTRAK VISITS FOLLOWING THE HEARING IN WHICH ANITA THE HILL ALLEGED THAT SUPREME COURT NOMINEE HAD HARASSED HER? I WONDER IF HE'D HAVE THE SAME ATTITUDE IF PEOPLE HAD HASSLED HIM ON HIS WAY BACK AND FORTH TO DELAWARE. AND IS YOU KNOW WHAT'S ALSO INTERESTING TO ME? THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS, THIS WEEKEND WHEN THEY FOLLOWED HER INTO THE RESTROOM, THEY WERE DEMANDING THAT SHE SUPPORT A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP IN THE RECONCILIATION BILL WHEN THE PARLIAMENTARIAN HAS ALREADY ARE SAID THAT CAN'T BE DONE. AND THEN YESTERDAY THE WOMAN AT THE AIRPORT WAS DEMANDING THAT SHE SUPPORT A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP. WELL, KYRSTEN SINEMA IS ONE OF THE SPONSORS OF THE DREAM ACT WHICH GRANTS CITIZENSHIP TO THE SO-CALLED DREAMERS, WHICH THAT WOMAN WAS. IS SO EITHER SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE RECORD IS OF THE MEMBER SHE'S TRYING TO ACCOST, OR SHE WAS JUST LOOKING FOR HER MOMENT IN THE SUN LOOKING LIKE SHE WAS HASSLING A UNITED STATES SENATOR. DAGEN: IF YOU LISTEN TO WHAT THESE PROTESTERS, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM THAT, WERE SAYING OR TRYING TO SAY TO HER, THEY WERE STRUGGLING TO REMEMBER THE SCRIPT. IT DIDN'T REALLY ADD UP. IT WAS LIKE WHEN YOU CALL CASPER MATTRESS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR MATTRESSING BEING DEFECTIVE, AND THEY'RE READING OFF A FLIP BOOK, AND THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING. I DIGRESS, CL, BUT TO USE YOUR -- KARL, BUT TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE IF, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF JOE BIDEN HAD BEEN FOLLOWED REPEATEDLY AND VIDEOTAPED AT A URINAL IN THE BATHROOM? THAT'S HOW INVASIVE THESE TACTICS ARE. SO WHERE DOES IT GO FROM HERE? DOES THIS GET MORE OR LESS SUPPORT FOR THE GINORMOUS WELFARE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE? >> I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT MAKES KYRSTEN SINEMA LOOK LIKE A MORE SYMPATHETIC FIGURE. IT HAS -- THE KAYAKERS SURROUNDING JOE MANCHIN'S HOUSEBOAT AND SCREAMING AT HIM MAKES HIM A MORE SYMPATHETIC FIGURE. THIS IS -- ANYBODY WHO THINKS THAT THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COWERED BY THIS KIND OF HARASSMENT ARE KIDDING THEMSELVES. IT'S GOING TO STIFFEN THEIR SPINE, NOT WEAKEN THEIR CONSTITUTION. DAGEN: WHERE ARE THE LIBERAL WOMEN STANDING UP FOR KYRSTEN SINEMA? THEY'RE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. THE HEADLINE IN "THE DAILY BEAST" ABOUT HER BEING ACCOSTED IN THE BATHROOM WAS, AND BILL McGURN MENTIONED IT IN THE JOURNAL, SENATOR SINEMA LOCKS HERSELF IN A BATHROOM TO AVOID YOUNG ACTIVISTS ON THE ASU CAMPUS P. AND ANOTHER HEADLINE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH KYRSTEN SINEMA? DIDN'T MENTION THE HARASSMENT, BUT THEY REFERRED TO HER AS BEING A NARCISSIST RATHER THAN A MAVERICK. >> YEAH. WELL, WHENEVER YOU GO AGAINST THE SORT OF THE DOMINANT STRAIN OF THE MEDIA, YOU'RE GOING TO -- EVEN IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT AND EVEN IF YOU'RE A PRETTY LIBERAL DEMOCRAT -- YOU'RE GOING TO GET ABUSED. AND SHE'S GETTING ABUSED. AND FOR STANDING UP FOR HER PRINCIPLES, FOR BEING A MODERATE DEMOCRAT IN AN ERA IN WHICH THE LEFT WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS ASCENDANT. BUT ANYBODY WHO THINKS THIS KIND OF, THESE KIND OF COMMENTS AND THESE KIND OF SORT OF PERSONAL INVASIONS, THIS KIND OF PERSONAL HARASSMENT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF EITHER ONE OF THESE TWO PEOPLE, I DOUBT IT SERIOUSLY. I THINK IT'S GOING TO LOCK 'EM EVEN MORE STRONGLY INTO THEIR MINDSET. DAGEN: REAL QUICK, KARL, WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF THE $3.5 KIND OF NEW AGE WELFARE, $3.5 TRILLION WELFARE AND ALSO THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL? BIDEN'S SPEAKING TODAY IN MICHIGAN, HE KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS DELIVERING A EULOGY FOR THOSE TWO BILLS. >> YEAH. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO GET ANYTHING CHOSE TO $3.5 TRILLION. IN FACT, THEY'RE ALREADY SAYING, WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO 2 TRILLION OR IT IT IS GOING TOE UNDER 2 TRILLION. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY'VE TOLD US WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE, WHICH IS ENGAGE IN A GIGANTIC EXPANSION OF GOVERNMENT AND DO SO WITH SO MANY BUDGET GIMMICKS. AOC WAS BLUNT, WHAT WE'LL DO IS SLIM DOWN THE COST. RATHER THAN AUTHORIZE IT FOR THE ENTIRE TEN YEARS, WE'LL AUTHORIZE IT FOR THREE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND THEN COME BACK AND HAVE A FIGHT OVER REAUTHORIZING IT AND BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR RAISING PEOPLE'S TAXES IF THEY DON'T GO ALONG WITH OUR WELFARE BILL. SO THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IT IS. THEY'RE STUCK ON -- AND LET'S BE HONEST, THIS IS A $5.5 TRILLION BILL ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE FOR FINANCIAL, FOR A RESPONSIBLE FEDERAL BUDGET, AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS TRY AND PUT IT ON THE BOOKS SO THAT THEY GET THE $5.5 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. BUT IT MAY TAKE THEM TWO OR THREE BITES AT
