Justin Peters Clouds Without Water Session 1 09 26 15

good morning good morning I hope everyone's doing well this morning hope you got a good night's rest last night it's good to good to be with you okay well I'm not gonna delay any we've got a lot of ground to cover and I've got really I've got more material than what I have time to present so we're gonna just plow right into it okay this session is entitled dangerous doctrines this session will be looking at the origins of the movement and some of the standard doctrines which the faith preachers teach that deviate from historical Christianity and I think you'll be able to see by the end of this session that the prosperity gospel is indeed a different gospel it is a different gospel altogether in order to understand any movement have a fully orbed understanding of any movement it really helps at least have a working knowledge of the origins of said movement and so I want us to look briefly at the origins of what we're talking about the origins of the word Faith Movement can be traced back to the metaphysical cults and really the guy that got the ball rolling it's a guy named Phineas Parkhurst Quimby Quimby we could call the great-grandfather of the word Faith Movement Quimby was the father of the metaphysical cult known as New Thought and when I say metaphysical that's a big word but really all metaphysical means is beyond the physical realm beyond what we can see in touch here and when I say cult I mean any group or sect that may call itself Christian yet compromises and or denies some of the fundamental tenets of the faith Mormonism is a cult Jehovah's Witnesses belong to a cult Roman Catholicism is a theological cult okay not a not a Jim Jones drink the kool-aid kind of a cult but it is a theological cult because it compromises and denies some of the fundamental tenets of historical Christianity we'll talk a little bit more about that a little bit later on but Quimby was the father of the metaphysical cult known as New Thought and new thought essentially held that whatever you think about you will attract to yourself if you think positive thoughts those positive thoughts will will engage these Universal cosmic laws and the universe will will bring to you positive things and if you think negative thoughts conversely the universe will bring to you negative things and if you are sick the reason you're sick is because you've got improper thinking you've been thinking bad thoughts thinking negative thoughts and you've attracted sickness to yourself this is also known as the law of attraction the law of attraction more commonly known today as the secret you may have heard of the secret Oprah Winfrey has been promoting the secret quite heavily for the last eight or nine years or so and well it's just a repackaged version of metaphysical cult notice a new thought Quimby was a student of occultism hypnosis parapsychology in Quimby's theoretical formulations formulation served as the basis for what is today known as Christian Science Mary Baker Eddy claimed that she was physically healed by Phineas Quimby in reality she was not she was a sickly woman almost her entire life but she says that she was healed by Quimby and she was so impressed by Quimby that she took his teachings developed them a bit further and from that formed what is today known as Christian science and you've probably heard of Christian Science Christian Science is very poorly named by the way because Christian science is not Christian and it's not scientific kind of like great nuts you know they're not grape and they're not nuts Christian science is not Christian and it's not scientific but there are a lot of Christian Science overtones in the modern word faith movement one of which is the denial of physical symptoms when it comes to sickness and disease if you have a friend or a family member who is in this movement to one degree or another whether it's Christian Science or word of faith you might notice that if they get sick they deny that there SiC you know maybe they've got a cold there their eyes are watering their congested their sneezing you know noses running the whole nine yards it's obvious that they're they've got a cold but you ask them well how are you feeling oh I'm fine you know well that's Christian science and it's got its tentacles into the modern Word of Faith Movement the grandfather of the word Faith Movement is a guy named s ik W Kenyan Kenyan had very clear ties to the metaphysical cults particularly the new age and the new thought movement he attended college at the Emerson school of oratory in Boston where the metaphysical cults flourished and he was heavily influenced by them and Kenyon did have a number of things right he was right on many of the fundamental doctrines of Christianity but he was wrong on a lot of things too number one Kenyon taught that God created not out of nothing but rather God created by speaking faith filled words Kenyon taught that everything is made out of faith the chair on which you are sitting right now is made out of faith the clothes that you're wearing is made out of faith the car that's parked out in the parking lot it's made out of faith and when God spoke his words were containers almost like a Tupperware container that you would put spaghetti in well God's words were containers of the substance called faith hence word of faith and we as believers we can use our own words of faith to speak things into existence and to create our own physical reality Kenyon held that humans took on the nature of Satan in the fall when this happened they forfeited to Satan they're supposed deity and made Satan the legal god of planet Earth also canyon held that jesus died not only a physical death but he also died a spiritual death Jesus when he died on the cross he said the work of the atonement had just begun and when Jesus died on the cross then he went to hell he suffered and was tormented in hell tortured by the demons ceased to be God and then had to be reborn that has actually had to get saved and that is a standard doctrine in the word faith movement today also he taught that health and wealth are obtainable by the believers positive confession if you need money you speak it into existence you need healing you speak it into existence Kenneth Hagin is the father of the modern word Faith Movement and despite Kenneth Hagins teaching that no Christians should die until he's at least a hundred and twenty years old you see that Kenneth Hagin didn't quite make it Hagin that died a little bit before his 86th birthday but like all of the modern word faith preachers Kenneth Hagin claimed that much of what he taught people he received directly through divine revelation knowledge and this is their way of insulating themselves against biblical criticism and they'll say well if you can't find what I'm teaching you in the word you see it's okay because I have it from the highest authority I've got it I didn't get this from the Bible I got it from Jesus Jesus physically appeared to me or God spoke to me and he told me these things let me tell you what he has to say so if you can't find what I'm teaching you in the word don't worry about it don't sweat it it's okay I got it from Jesus well Hagin claimed that Jesus physically appeared to him on eight different occasions throughout the course of his life and on one of these occasions Hagin says that Jesus gave him these exact words he says that Jesus physically showed up and gave him dictated to him these precise words it's interesting however that Jesus apparently bears a striking resemblance to ESSEC w Kenyon if you can see this is practically word-for-word identical Hagin did not get this from Jesus Hagin plagiarized ESSEC w Kenyon among a number of other authors as well and have plagiarized them quite extensively and this is just all I could fit on the screen it's quite voluminous his plagiarism and so the faith preachers are very fond of claiming divine origin for what they teach but as you can see the origins are not nearly so supernatural plagiarist it's a liar I want us now to look at some of the doctrines of the word Faith Movement we'll begin by looking at the doctrine known as positive confession watch these video clips as illustrative of their teaching let me say say say all of you say there's power in me to speak life and death you call what you have you say what you want and I'm here to tell you I know that I know that I know that as these programs are airing I'm speaking something into existence amen I'm speaking something into existence if that sounds eerily like God's act of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 that's because it is dear friends only God can speak things into existence that is not an ability that you and I have the Hebrew word for create out of nothing ex Nilo the Hebrew word for create is bara and only God borrows that is something that only God can do the faith preachers blur that line between God the Creator and us has created they demote God to make him look more human than what he is and then in turn they dfi man and they make us look a lot more like God than what we really are now in case you're thinking oh well come on Justin you you know surely you just took these guys out of context I mean they don't actually teach that we can speak things into existence just like God did I mean that's certainly they don't really teach that right yeah actually they do this is a tweet creflo dollar undoubtedly the most aptly named of the prosperity preachers gruffalo dollar as spiritual beings who possess the nature of God we have the ability to speak things into existence just like God did yes they do teach this yes they absolutely do the faith preachers blur that line between God the Creator and us his created listen to this audio clip of Kenneth Copeland and Paul and Jan Crouch does God use faith surely does he hears a sore spot there are those who say no but the critics say God is God he doesn't have to have faith he doesn't exercise faith he doesn't use babies God he's the object of faith I don't know what it means did you catch that Kenneth Copeland said no now wait a minute what does that mean God is the object of our faith I don't know what that means and then you hear Jan Crouch say well I don't either seriously friends that's that's not meat that's milk the fact that God is the object of our faith you don't get more basic than that I mean that is Christianity 101 that is first-grade sunday-school stuff and it's amazing to me that these people who claim to be our leaders in Christianity don't understand the elementary truth that God is the object of our faith because you see in their system God is not the object of faith faith is the object of faith you see in the prosperity gospel faith is not placed in God faith is a force that you direct at God to make him do whatever you want him to do and it's really ironic when you think about it that these people who call themselves faith preachers they don't have a clue as to what faith is you know they don't even know what faith is they've got a fundamental misunderstanding of what faith actually isn't yet their faith preachers no they're not oh well surely you're taking them out of context they don't really teach it you're supposed to have faith in your faith do they they don't actually teach that oh well yeah they do Jesse Duplantis voice of the covenant magazine last year the Bible says that every man has been given the measure of faith have faith in your faith not faith in God have faith in your faith and step over into the faith a zone whatever that is how powerful are our words well it's so powerful that if you don't like the weather well you can just change it watch this from Gloria Copeland you know you're though you're supposed to control the weather I mean Ken's - the primary weatherman at our house but when he's not there I do it you can see what's happening out there so it's just like they have on the weather like on the news I mean he's got the computers got the current weather on it and all that for flying so sometimes I'll hear something I'll hear the Thunder start maybe he'll still be asleep and I say Ken you need to do something about this and knowing but you are the one that has authority over the weather one day ken and Pat Boone well we were in Hawaii at their house and we were they were sitting outside and there was a weather spout out over the ocean and that's like a tornado except it hits the water and so they were sitting there and they just watched it rebuked it it never did anything one day I was in the airplane in the back and my little brother was in the back with me and ken was up front flying and we were not in the weather because we don't fly bad weather but we could see the weather over here and I looked out the window and that tornado came down just like this down toward the ground and Ken said I rebuke you in the name of Jesus you get back up there for this how learn how to talk to tornadoes I saw this and that tornado with even while I was watching him my little brother was not a devout Christian at that time and that was really good for him to see so you're the weatherman you get out there or the weather woman whichever it is and you talk to that thing and you tell it you're not coming here I commend you to dissipate and you get back up there in Jesus name glory to God that's that I won't charge you extra now that really does not even deserve a comment or need one but if you'll indulge me for just a minute I'll offer a couple of quick observations the first thing did you notice how she says well we can control the weather but we don't fly in bad weather why not I mean if you can control the weather fly through whatever you want to fly through you know honestly just a little common sense just a little common sense goes a long way in clearing a lot of this stuff up it's a little common sense but aside from that there ones if it is true and that is a huge if but if it is true that Gloria Copeland and by the way it's not just Gloria Copeland that says things like this creflo dollar says he can control the weather rod parsley says he can control the weather Jesse Duplantis says he can control the way if it is true that these prosperity preachers can control the weather then I would submit to you that these prosperity preachers should be charged with thousands of cases of negligent homicide every year every year because all around the world there are thousands of people who lose their lives and whether elated disasters hurricanes tornadoes blizzards droughts how many people are starving right now because of drought well not in this country but in other parts of the world mudslides from torrential rains wildfires that could be put out with you know them just talking up a little rain thousands of people all around the world so if they can control the weather but they just choose not to do anything about it then they they should be charged with negligent homicide but you know I'm not really that hard nosed I don't actually think the prosperity preachers should really be charged with negligent homicide and the reason I don't is because they can't do what they say they can do they can't control the weather it's the only one who can control the weather and it's none of them they're liars John Hagee John Hagee's not word of faith is he oh yes he is I believe that when a person says I wish I were dead he or she invites the spirit of death to invade his or her life when an unhappy wife says my marriage is a failure she has pronounced the doom of this relationship when a pregnant mother says I don't want this baby she is pronouncing the termination of her pregnancy or a curse upon the life of the child yet to be born speech is that powerful is it really so if a pregnant mother for whatever reason simply verbalizes the words I don't want this baby she can kill her baby in utero where is the sovereignty of God in all this where's the sovereignty of God the prosperity preachers have no understanding of God's sovereignty none zero the god of the prosperity gospel little G God of the prosperity gospel is a very weak very indecisive very effeminate to God and it is not the God of the Bible it's not the God of the Bible by the way slight tangent just because happen to be talking about John Hagee all this Blood Moon stuff it's a bunch of bunk it's a bunch of bunk blood moons bunch of nonsense there's nothing to it don't worry about it nothing to it you know there's a series of blood moons is it unusual yes and the sense that it's it's not happened a lot before but guess what it has happened before it has happened before and it has happened to where it's fallen on Jewish feasts so there's nothing there's nothing don't read anything into all this stuff and these blood moons you know which occurs in a with a lunar eclipse and it makes the moon appear to have like a reddish tint to it by the way at least and I think at least two of these lunar eclipses these blood moons guess what they're not even visible from Israel they're supposed to be science isn't there you can't even see them in Israel that's a bunch of nonsense bunch of nonsense you remember the account of the angel making the announcement to Elizabeth and our husbands akka Ryan Luke's Gospel that they were gonna have a baby remember this but they were older they were advanced in years and remember when Zechariah heard about this he kind of scoffed at it a little bit you know questioned it a little bit what did God do in response to Zacharias question closed his mouth right made him a mute for a very interesting take on why God had closed Zechariah's mouth this from Joel Osteen Joel Osteen says this why did God take away his speech it's book all's God knew that Zechariah's negative words would cancel out his plan see God knows the power of our words he knows that we prophesy our future and he knew Zechariah's own negative words would stop his plan Wow so according to joel osteen God was up in heaven looking down and he saw Zechariah making negative confessions and God just went into a panic oh my goodness what what am I ever gonna do I I wasn't counting on this and so in a last-ditch effort to save his plan of redemption God had to reach down and close Ecker eye his mouth and make him a mute boy that was a close one unbelievable unbelievable no concept of the sovereignty of God none whatsoever this is an interesting observation a friend of mine was in a Barnes & Noble couple years ago and he was just kind of browsing around he was in the New Age section not the Christian section New Age okay New Age reading section of Barnes and Noble and he saw this book entitled supreme influence subtitle changed your life with the power of the language you use ok nothing Christian about this does not pretend to be Christian it's new-age now for comparison let me show you a Christian book by Joyce Meyer change your words change your life understanding the power of every word you speak you see it's the same thing it's the same thing this is not Christian this is cultic it's cultic doctrine wrapped in a little bit of christian lingo nothing Christian about this blurring the line between God the Creator and has his created leads us to the next doctrine that they teach entitled the little God's doctrine all of the faith preachers word faith New Apostolic Reformation they all teach that if you are a Christian you are in fact a little god watch this teaching from creflo dollar from Genesis 1:26 and 27 now in verse 26 and verse 27 God now submits his self to this principle of everything producing after its own kind and in verse 26 and 27 let's read it out loud ready read and God said let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth so God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him male and female created he them now that's interesting because of everything produces after its own kind we now see God producing man and if God now produces man and everything produces after his own kind if horses get together they produce what and if dogs get together they produce what if cats get together they produce what but if the Godhead gets together and say let us make man then what are they producing they're producing gods now I gotta hit this thing real hard in the very beginning because I ain't got time to go through all this but I'm gonna say to you right now you are God's little G you are God's because you came from God and you are God you're not just human the only human part about you is this physical body that you live in the real me is just like God the real me is just like God blasphemy blasphemy dear friends when the Bible says that God created man in His image that means that as human beings you and I share some of God's what we call communicable attributes God has in communicable attributes attributes that he does not share in on any level with you and me omnipresence omniscience omnipotence and then he has some communicable attributes that he does share with us to a lesser degree we have we have we participate in some of these attributes to a lesser degree God has them in perfection we have them you know in a just a little kind of a shadow of what he has the ability to know right and wrong goodness and only the good the only goodness we have is that which has been imputed to us by the righteousness of Christ so there's some communicable attributes that we participate in and we have the potential in the capacity through a saving relationship with Jesus Christ to know God none of the other created order has that privilege and ability I love dogs I do I love dogs back this morning and getting dressed in the hotel room I was watching Animal Planet dogs 101 about you know different kind of dogs dog breeds I just love dogs but the greatest smartest dog in the world will never know God because dogs are not created in God's image in cats for sure aren't just kidding sort of but we are we have the potential we have the capacity through a saving relationship with Jesus Christ to know God but that does not mean we are God the Bible is very clear there is only one God and he is a jealous God who will not share his glory with another there's only one God and if I remember my Bible correctly wasn't the desire to be just like God kind of what led to this whole fall thing in the first place isn't that ironic the very first temptation which led to the very first sin the desire to be just like God is what led to this whole fallen state in the first place and yet the faith preachers teach it is truth they want you to believe it they want you to accept it the very thing that led to this whole fallen state in the first place how ironic how dreadfully dreadfully ironic who else in the Bible wanted to be just like God Satan did Lucifer he wanted the worship that God was getting for himself and he rose up in rebellion against God and it got him and a third of the Angels along with him kicked out of heaven and so the little God's doctrine is quite literally quite literally a doctrine of demons a doctrine of demons and yet the faith preachers teach it as truth that is the it is that that is at the heart of the prosperity gospel little Goss doctrine and all of them teach it Benny Hinn Kenneth Copeland Joyce Meyer they all teach without exception I want us to look at the doctrine of the fall what the faith preachers teach about the doctrine of the fall this is going to kind of help us to put the pieces of the puzzle together why they teach what they teach number one word faith in a our teachings on the fall they teach that Adam was an exact duplicate of God Adam was not a little like God he was not a lot like God that Adam was God that God literally reproduced himself in Adam Adam was a was a carbon copy of Yahweh according to kenneth hagin adam could stand toe-to-toe with god without any consciousness of inferiority whatsoever Adam was another Yahweh well we all know what happened right Adam sinned which of course begs the question if Adam was Yahweh and he sinned was it Yahweh who sinned you see you carry these doctrines out to their logical conclusion you see how very dark they are but when Adam sinned he lost his deity lost his God who had transferred it to Satan and when this happened the real Yahweh God lost his legal right to Planet Earth and was kicked out and so even as we sit here this morning according to classic word faith theology you know you'll find a little differences minor differences here and there but according to classic word faith theology the real Yahweh God is up there somewhere but he's got no access to Planet Earth gone see you later bye do they really teach this oh yeah this from Kenneth Copeland just from just from a few months ago Kenneth Copeland says this in an email y'all don't tell Kenneth Copeland I'm on his email list now if he knew he was sending emails to me probably stop but Copland says but when he turned and gave that Dominion to Satan referring to Adam look where it left God it left God on the outside looking in he can't do anything down there he had no legal right to do anything about it could he manipulate and operate no because he'd be doing the very same thing that Satan did in the first place and if God had injected himself illegally into the earth what Satan intended for him to do was to fall for it pull off an illegal act and turned the light off in God and subordinate God to himself now you can see the complicated predicament that God's in you can understand why someone would say wonder why God lets all those wars go on he doesn't there's not anything he can do about it sometimes people say about me I'll say oh you're taking them out of context really how do you take that out of context well if God has been kicked out somebody has to fill that void right and Satan is all too eager to step up to the plate and Satan becomes the legal god of planet Earth dear friends Satan is not the legal god of planet Earth God is the legal god of planet Earth the earth is the Lord's the fullness thereof the world and they that dwell therein God is the legal god of planet Earth Satan is referred to in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 is the god of this age not the legal god of planet Earth big difference big difference well according to the prosperity preachers when a person gets saved guess what happens guess what he gets back he gets his godhood back he regains his deity he becomes God again just like Adam was before he fell and this dear ones is why the prosperity preachers hold so tenaciously to health and wealth because we're gods and a God cannot be poor and a God certainly cannot be sick so many people think that this movement is just about health and wealth healing prosperity Rolex watches private jets having your best life now no that's just some of the bad as I said last night some of the bad low-hanging fruit that comes off of a rotten theological tree rotten at its core health and wealth is just some of the bad fruit that's hanging off of the dead branches but I will say this the promise of health and wealth the allure of health and wealth is one of the things that makes this movement so appealing and yet so profoundly dangerous at the same time because the prosperity gospel says this come to Jesus because he'll make you rich and he'll heal your body they appeal to two of the most basic and universal of all human desires most people would like to be wealthy and very few people enjoy being sick there's a few out there just like the attention that comes with being sick you know but most people if they had their druthers they would rather not be sick and so the prosperity preachers say we'll just come to Jesus ask Jesus into your heart you can have it health and wealth so let me get this straight so you're telling me that if I ask Jesus into my heart if I if I become a Christian that God will make me wealthy and God will heal me yeah sign me up yeah I like that Jesus I like that Jesus you got two of them but is that the real gospel or is the real gospel something a little bit more like this come to Jesus because you're a sinner and because of your sin the righteous wrath of God abides on you and the only way to have that wrath removed is to repent of sins turn from sins and place your trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross and then you will have heaven you will have heaven but on this earth you're not promised money you're not promised healing what are we promised persecution trials tribulations persecution what does the Bible say some of those who live godly in Christ Jesus may be persecuted is that what it says all who live godly in Christ Jesus shall be persecuted man it's not as popular you see they're saying come to Jesus because you can be rich you won't have to be sick anymore friends have come to Jesus for those reasons you've come for the wrong reasons that is a false decision that is a false conversion because you have responded to a false gospel the softening of sin the softening of sin the faith preachers and by the way it's not just the prosperity preachers that softened sin you might hear them refer to sin occasionally here and there but they soften it they they soften those hard edges and it's not just the prosperity preachers that do it a lot of non-word faith people do it a lot of non-charismatic s-- a lot of Baptists soften sin I want to show you this video clip from Joseph Prince now this is tricky ok I'll say Joseph Prince if you've ever watched him he's smart he's articulate and he's very very tricky but make no mistake about it Joseph France is a false teacher watch this watch this from Joseph Prince to do this but you're getting the same kind of response aren't you people need and and want you know the what repentance like Joel said is from the Greek word Metanoia which literally means change your mind and every time like Joe me preaching the word without using the word repentance sometimes but people's minds are being changed all the time from thinking this way negatively to thinking positively so Joseph Prince says the Greek word for repentance is Metanoia and you know what he's right that is the Greek word for repentance and then he says the word repentance Metanoia means to change your mind guess what right again that is what that word means but then did you notice how he fleshed it out he said we may not referring to joel osteen in him by the way joseph france and joel osteen are good friends and they've preached at one another's churches quote-unquote churches Joseph Prince says you know we Joel Osteen ah we may not use the word repentance I mean heaven forbid we actually use biblical terminology and our preaching you know you sure wouldn't want to do that so we may not use the word repentance but we're still teaching people to repent all the time when they go from thinking negatively to thinking positively that's not repentance that is not repentance according to his definition of repentance we can all repent simply by joining the optimist club having a sunnier outlook on life you know everything's just sunshine and lollipops all the time that's not repentance repentance is a change in mind but repentance comes when God grants repentance God must grant repentance because we cannot repent on our own it is granted by God and when God grants repentance yes our minds are changed but our minds are changed about sin and everything about us is change our minds are changed our affections are changed and there will be fruit in our lives in keeping with repentance a changed life the Apostle Paul speaking the King Agrippa he said so King Agrippa I kept declaring that all people should repent and turn to God performing deeds appropriate to repentance does this mean we perform deeds in order to repent no that's getting the cart before the horse that would be a work salvation but when God grants repentance there will be deeds in keeping with that there will be a changed life John the Baptist therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance repentance is not just seeing the glass half-full that's not repentance it's not enough just to use some of the right lingo dear ones how you define those terms how you use those terms how you teach them that's what is important and and let me say this be very careful about doctrinal statements statements of faith all of the people that we've been looking at they would say oh we believe the Bible is the inerrant infallible Word of God you know that they would they would have some of the right lingo in their doctrinal statements it doesn't don't just look at that they can be helpful and look for a doctrinal statement that's that goes beyond just some of the basic lingo you know I want to say a fleshed-out doctrinal statement I want to see a detailed one you know letting me know that they really understand what they're talking about but it's don't just trust somebody when they say oh I believe the Bible's Word of God so Mormons would say that Java's witnesses would say that they'd use some of the right lingo but they don't mean by what you and I mean by watch this video clip from Benny Hinn in Myles Munroe faster we get the mind of God about his will we pray it when we pret we give him legal right to perform it yes let me define prayer for you in this show prayer is man giving God permission or license to interfere in its offense in other words prayer is earthly license for heavenly interference that's incredible God could do nothing on earth nothing has God ever done on earth without a human giving him access so he's always looking for that somebody always looking for a human to give him power permission in other words God has the power but you get the permission God got the authority and the power but you got the license so even though God could do anything he can only do what you permit him to do God can only do what we permit him to do dear friends I would submit to you this morning that God can do whatever he jolly well wants to do it is not terribly concerned about whether or not he has our permission to do it now don't take my word for it search the Scriptures to see if these things are really so psalm 115 verse 3 our God is in the heavens he does whatever he pleases he does whatever he pleases I had a word faith adherent one time I showed him this verse and he said oh yeah but that that just means God can do whatever he wants to do in heaven not on earth if he wants to do something on earth he has to get our permission whatever the Lord pleases he does in heaven and in earth in the season in all of the deeps oops friends God can do whatever he wants to do it is not losing a great deal of anthropomorphic sleep over whether or not he has our permission to do it God can do whatever he wants to do and I take no joy in what I'm about to say some of you may be aware of this this past November Myles Munroe was in a plane crash and it killed him killed his wife and several other people in the plane as well I don't think God needed miles Monroe's permission to bring that plane down and now Myles Munroe knows the truth this is a prosperity preacher Ward faith preacher in Brazil Oh Sanchez when you worship God serves you God serves you he is just all about you God thinks you are just so Spanky that all he wants to do is serve you have you ever noticed some of the titles of their books and videos television programs have you ever noticed some of the titles of them now this is just observation but it's interesting and I think there's definitely something to it Joel Osteen's first book his best-selling book anybody remember what it's called your close your best life now your best life now you see how man centered this is you see the man centered approach you can have your best life and you can have it right now see how man centered this is now is this even biblical as Christians are we having our best life now no this is this is not our best life we're not having our best life now our best life is not this side of heaven our best life is on the other side of heaven not here so for whom else would this be true lost people in if a person dies in his or her sin you know what he or she is having his or her best life now this is as good as it's gonna get it's as good as it's gonna get and after death it is all downhill in a dramatic way for us as Christians this is as bad as it's ever gonna get so even the title of his book is not biblical now he wrote another book I don't even know why there would be a need for another book I mean if you're already having your best life and you're having it right now I'm not even sure how you improve upon that while there would be a need for another book but apparently there was a need for one and so he wrote another book become a better you become a better you is this a biblical concept who does the Bible say that we are well the Bible says that we are sinners we are we are liars we are thieves we are blasphemers we are adulterers at heart at least so what are we supposed to do or be supposed to become better liars better thieves better blasphemers better adulterers at heart no the Bible says we are not to become better people we are to become new creatures in Christ all things passed away behold all things are made new so it's not even a biblical concept his next book it's your time whose time isn't is it God's time that he has given to you no this is your time it's all about you his next book every day is a Friday yeah every day is a Friday well let's just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya sunshine and lollipops for everyone there every day is Friday now his next book that is not even yet out on the shelves his next book this is the power of I am the power of I am and you know what this book about this book is about taking the name of God the Tetragrammaton Tetragrammaton I am the the name that God used for himself and speaking with Moses burning bush I am and you are to use I am to create your own life I am prosperous I am healed I am winsome I am all that and a bag of chips blasphemy blasphemy this is a man who doesn't hot to understand the gospel if you listen to Joel Osteen preach every and I do mean every I don't mean 99.999% 100 percent of his sermons are all about us what is God gonna do for us 100 percent of them and that's why I said last night you cannot indifference I say this in love and I say it with passion because I'm so burdened by this say it with passion but I say it with love you cannot be a mature Christian and think Joel Osteen is a good preacher it's not possible you cannot be indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God and listen to Joel Osteen for any length of time and think you are getting fed God's Word power of I am unbelievable just as a general rule of thumb if you're looking in a Christian bookstore sometimes by the way that's about the most dangerous place a Christian can go was a Christian bookstore you'd be safer on a SWAT team than to walk into a Christian bookstore but if you're wandering about maybe you know I'm looking at a book and you're wondering well I wonder if this is somebody I should read or not just as a general rule of thumb if you're looking at some Christian author and you happen to notice that all of his books are all of her books have a big picture of themselves on the cover pretty good indication you probably shouldn't be reading that book you know John MacArthur has written I don't know something like 40 books and you know what you won't find a single one of his books with a big picture big mug of himself splashed all over the cover but Joel Osteen is this way Benny Hinn is this way Joyce Meyer all of her books people picture of herself on the cup pretty good indication she shouldn't be reading but shouldn't be following that person watch this video clip from Jesse Duplantis friends have Frank and open conversations with each other I've done that with the Lord I've had the Lord say Oh Jesse I've had a God come come he said this is what I'm going to do I've had the Lord leader said what do you think about this God has asked me for my opinion God asks Jesse Duplantis for his opinion really do tell well let's not sorry let's not you get that if you need to bro let's not take Jesse to plant us out of context let's all let's let him finish his thought I said well since you asked maybe I'm dead no we can talk frankly what do you think let me work on this individual I think we can get them to you they says okay go ahead do what you have to do and I tell you what the Bible say he who wins Souls is wise and he who thinks he can counsel God is a fool is a fool God speaking job chapter 38 who is this that darkens my counsel by words without knowledge who is this who does Jesse Duplantis think he yes these people are not Christians Oh Justin are you saying they're not even say that's exactly what I'm saying that is exactly what I'm saying you cannot be indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God and teach these kinds of blasphemies it's not possible it's not possible if they were truly and dwelt by the Holy Spirit of God the Holy Spirit would be screaming at them in the fact that they can teach these things with wanton abandon no no consciousness no no prick in their spirit they are not in 12 by the Holy Spirit of God they may be in dwell by a spirit but not the Holy Spirit this from Jesse Duplantis I'm up says I'm gonna knock your lights off God has the power to take life but he can't he got the power to do it but he won't he's bound he can't he says death in life is in the power of whose tongue yours you ready for this you want something to knock your lights off you choose when you live you choose when you die so God has the power to take life but he can't I think that might come as a bit of a surprise to a number of people in the Bible King Herod remember when God killed him he was eaten by worms and a niacin Sapphira Aza remember Rosa remember is the old testament going along with the Ark of the Covenant on this car drawn by the oxen and the oxen stumbled in an aza was walking right next to the - the Ark and you can see this in your mind's eye can't you I mean you just understand exactly how this happened when the oxen stumbled and the cart tipped in aza without even thinking undoubtedly without even thinking just reached up to steady the ark and God struck him dead you think God didn't holy who else would differ with mr. de planet's let's say oh yeah everybody alive on the face of the earth except for eight people in that little flood thing I'm betting they would beg to differ with Jesse Duplantis I want us now to turn our attention to what the faith preachers teach about the person and work of Jesus Christ if we can establish that they preach a different Jesus we can establish that they do indeed preach a different gospel many of the faith preachers hold to what is essentially an Arian istic view of Christ arianism was a heresy in the early church in arianism essentially held that Jesus did not come as God that Jesus just came as a man a man who had a very close walk with God but was not actually God in human flesh and this was a heresy in the early church and the early church had to deal with this and they did deal with it in the year ad 325 in the Council of Nicaea and they voted it down resoundingly by the way the early church did away with his heresy centuries ago and yet the prosperity preachers want to hold on to it this from creflo dollar creflo dollar says this and somebody said well Jesus came as God well how many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps nor slumbers and yet in the book of Mark we see Jesus asleep in the back of the boat Jesus came as a man and at age 30 God is now getting ready to demonstrate to us and give us an example of what a man with the anointing can do y'all please listen to me please listen to me this ain't no heresy I'm not some false prophet dear friends there's a general rule of thumb if a preacher actually has to tell you that he's not a false prophet chances are methinks thou doth protesteth too much but Kerith low-dollar says that just because because the Bible says that God never sleeps nor slumbers and Jesus was asleep in the back of the boat then therefore Jesus could not have been that's ridiculous difference when Jesus came to this earth he came as 100% God and 100% man he was the god man the thean throb ik person of Christ and as the god man Jesus experienced many of the same things that you and I experienced Jesus got hungry Jesus got thirsty and guess what he got sleepy it does not mean that he was not God not at all this is ridiculous this is ridiculous but notice he says God is now getting ready to demonstrate to us and given us example of what a man with the anointing can do well who are we according to the faith preachers we are men and women with the anointing and so therefore we are just like Jesus in fact ESIC w Kenyon the grandfather of this movement he said he said quote quote the Christian is just as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth in quote so we're just like Christ all the rights all the privileges this from Kenneth Copeland and Jesus volunteered to go to hell I'm gonna tell you something ain't nobody ever got out of there the only thing he had to go by was the promise of God that I'm reading you right now he didn't have some special revelation from heaven between he and God the Father and all the Bible said he emptied himself when he came and he saw himself in the word and said the Spirit of the Lord is upon me he found himself in the word so according to Kenneth Copeland Jesus was just a man and he walked into the synagogue one day and he opened up the scriptures and started just kind of reading along and reading along reading reading all the sudden he's oh ho ho well hobby John Brown look here look look Who I am he had no idea who he was no special relationship between Jesus and God the Father no he just found himself in the word no idea who he was that is a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible if they preach the different Jesus they preach a different gospel and a different gospel does not save the different gospel does not say this is a prophecy supposedly from Jesus Christ to Kenneth Copeland according to Kenneth Copeland Jesus physically showed up to him and said this to him don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you are God they crucified me for claiming that I was God but I didn't claim I was God I just claimed that I walked with him he was in me hallelujah that's what you're doing blasphemy Jesus most certainly did claim to be God before Abraham was I am if you have seen me you have seen the father I and the father are one Jesus most certainly did claim to be God in any Jesus that he's preaching who did not claim to be God is not the Jesus of the Bible if they preach the different Jesus they preached a different gospel and if gospel does not save never to be outdone with himself this also from Kenneth Copeland Kenneth Copeland says this and I save this with all respect so it don't upset you too bad but I say it anyway when I read in the Bible where he says I am I just smile and I say I am too how this man has not been struck by lightning is a testimony just to the forbearance of God watch this from Larry cook and Paula white when Jesus Christ paid the price the first thing that happened after he said it is finished as the veil was rent from top to bottom signifying that no man could do that but the price that was paid was there's now no separation so that we have direct access in the Holy of Holies we understand according to Hebrews that Jesus is our high priest and he's the first of many brethren which means I now come into a priestly anointing so I now come into a priestly anointed is not the only begotten son of God he is not the only son of God is that not shocking flat-out denying that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God have they read John 3:16 friends those of us who are Christians who have been made regenerate by God's Holy Spirit we are children of God by adoption but there is only one who is begotten in his name is Jesus I want to say something that at first may sound a little odd but bear with me you'll see where I'm going with this it is not enough to just believe in Jesus it's not enough to just believe in Jesus Mormons believe in Jesus Jehovah's Witnesses believe in Jesus Muslims believe in Jesus but they do not believe in the right Jesus they've got a false Jesus they do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible so it's not enough to just say oh I believe in Jesus well really okay which one Jesus that you have created out of your own image or is it the Jesus of the Bible it's not enough to just believe in Jesus it's gotta believe in the right Jesus and the Jesus of the word faith movement is just as much a different Jesus as is that Jesus of Islam you may as well be a Muslim as b-word of faith you may as well you may as well wherever East is in here face East and and bow down and pray to Mecca five times a day as follow the teachings of Kenneth Copeland watch this video clip from rod parsley right part I watched this and it's one of these things that I don't watch nearly as much as of Christian television as a lot of people think I do the thing is is you don't have to watch Christian television for very long before you start hearing this stuff but I had this on and rod parsley was this was rod parsley program it's one of those things you heard it and it was it went by kind of fast and I thought did I hear what I thought I just heard and so I backed it up you know the DirecTV TiVo or whatever it is backed it up a little bit listen to this watch this because when named and obeyed that instruction the miracle of God who is released just like I'm believing with you right now somebody's leg hold on a miracle I can I can perceive it I I can perceive that virtues going forth out of it for me I feel your faith pulling on me right now he said I perceive virtue is flowing out of me you perceive what you know when we hear the I perceive virtue is flowing out of me flowing out of me we think automatically of what Jesus with the woman the woman with issue of blood right touch the hem of His garment who touched me for I perceive virtuous gone forth for me he fills virtue going out of him and he says he says I feel your faith tugging on me you feel what you feel my faith tugging on you rod parsley so I guess now rod parsley is to be the object of our faith we should all just ask rod parsley into our hearts blasphemy blasphemy dear friends I say it again these people are not Christians these are not Christians these are lost people these are wolves you cannot be indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God and teach these kinds of blasphemies not possible not possible the Holy Spirit would be screaming at them if they were truly indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God these are wolves these are false prophets if you have a friend or a family member who is listening to this stuff you plead with them you beg them to hear you out and you talk to them and you share that you've got to you've got to come at these people with the understanding that in all likelihood if they're following these false teachers and have been doing so for years and years in all likelihood you're dealing with an unconverted person and you you share the gospel with these people the gospel of repentance spiritual death of Jesus all of the faith preachers teach this it is not it is not an isolated thing 100 percent of them teach this even Joel Osteen has taught the spiritual death of Jesus that Jesus physical death on the cross did not pay for sins that when Jesus died on the cross then he went to hell he suffered was tormented tortured by demons ceased to be God and had to be reborn Jesus had to get saved listen to this from Kenneth Copeland Jesus had to go through that same spiritual death in order to pay the price Nate wasn't the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin because if it hadn't been any prophet of God that had died for the last a couple of thousand years before that could have paid that price it wasn't physical death anybody can do that wasn't the physical death that paid for sins anybody could have done that no mr. Copeland nobody else could have done that because no one else is sinless Benny Hinn says this before he died I should say on that cross something happened to him which began the wheels of the new creation moving and that was this he died spiritually Jesus Christ understood that spiritual death is a union with the satanic nature this from Copeland he paid the price he suffered so you and I don't have to go there now if he hadn't suffered it in the spirit as well as the flesh the flesh cannot make sacrifice for spiritual things if the flesh could make sacrifice for spiritual things then the flesh of animals would have gone a lot closer and not further than they did the spirit then Jesus very own holy pure sinless spirit paid the sin price for your spirit why is this such a dangerous doctor in the spiritual death of Jesus dear friends if Jesus died spiritually not suffered spiritually not had some spiritual anguish but if he died spiritually then that means he cease to be God because God is spirit right he is spirit and so if Jesus died spiritually then that means he ceased to be God in dear friends if Jesus ceased to be God even for an instant then he never was God to begin with okay he never once got to begin with because God does not change Hebrews 13:8 he is the same yesterday today and forever we call this the immutability of God he does not change God's revelation has progressed throughout the centuries culminating in the personal work of Jesus Christ but God himself does not change how he interacts with people has changed but he has not changed and will never change and so if there was ever a time even for an instant if Jesus was not God then he never was God to begin with you know sometimes we think of God as being able to do anything God can do anything right he's omnipotent are there things God cannot do trick question yes there are there are things that God cannot do God cannot lie God cannot sin God cannot cease to be God he is the same yesterday today and forever so yes there are some things that God cannot do he cannot deny himself he cannot act outside of his character in his nature there's ever a time when Jesus was not God then he never was God in the first place now some people would say well even if they say okay well maybe Jesus didn't die spiritually but when Jesus was on the cross he was completely and totally separated from the Father okay you've heard this probably and where did people get this doctrine well they get it from Jesus statement on the cross my God my God why hast thou forsaken me and people say well when Jesus was on the cross then that relationship between Jesus the Son and God the Father was completely and totally separate separated just like you cut a ribbon you cut a ribbon in half and he got two ribbons when Jesus was on the cross it's completely and totally separated from the father be very careful with that we've already established that Jesus could not have ceased to be God right so if you--if you're saying that God the Father and God the Son were completely and totally separated just like you would cut a ribbon then now we have two independent coexisting gods and we cannot have that either we're not polytheists we're monotheists one God revealed in three persons existing in three persons not three manifestations by the way like TD jakes says that's called modalism you know that God just changes hats sometimes he has on his father hat and he takes off his father hat puts on a son it takes off the Sun Hat puts on the Holy Spirit hat that's modalism that's heresy one God revealed in three persons so what are we to do with this my God my God why hast thou forsaken me Jesus is quoting Psalm chapter 22 verse 1 now if he applies verse one to himself then not only is he applying that verse to himself but the context of the passage to himself because of all people who would know not to take a verse of scripture out of its proper context it would be the author of that scripture so let's look at the fuller context let's look down a few verses same context same passage the psalmist David continues he says but be not thou far from me O Lord for he has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted neither has he hid his face from him but when he cried unto him he heard the psalmist David had gotten to this point where he felt like he had been abandoned by God but aren't you glad we don't base our theology off of our feelings and our emotions even though he felt like he had been abandoned by God God had not abandoned him and David admits as much right here he says be not far from me O Lord he has not despised he has not abhorred the affliction of afflicted neither has he hid his face from him but when he cried unto him he heard dear friends I think we have to bend the knee and we have to admit that there is a there's a certain mystery to exactly what Jesus experienced on the cross that we will never fully understand this side of heaven was the suffering of the cross the crown of thorns yes the flagellation yes the thirst yes the nails yes the suffering of the cross was all of those things but it was more than that it was more than that there was an very much a spiritual component to this when Jesus was on the cross dear the full undiluted fury of God's wrath was being poured out on the Sun in Jesus drank in every last drop of it and so yes the cross was more than just physical suffering it was spiritual suffering as well however it was not a spiritual death I think it may well be said that in Jesus humanity in his humanity Jesus did feel very real estrangement from the Father he felt real separation from the father in his humanity but in his deity he was never separated from the father what else did Jesus say on the cross Father forgive them they know not what they do father into thy hands I commit my spirit Jesus was praying to the Father on the cross and so those lines of communication if you will within the triune Godhead were still very much intact he was praying to the Father so yes physical spiritual estrangement separation but not a spiritual death and not a complete and total abandonment by the Father the God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit the Trinity was never separated was never divided that's an impossibility God is a Trinity he is a triune God one God three persons and if you split the Trinity if you will for lack of a better word then you no longer have a Trinity that means God has changed God cannot change God cannot change the Bible is very clear that it was a physical death of Christ that atoned for sin for it pleased the father that in him all the fullness should dwell by him to reconcile all things to himself by him whether things on earth or in heaven having made peace through the blood of his cross Peter writes and he says this for Christ's also died for sins how many times once once for all the just for the unjust so that he might bring us to God having been put to death in the flesh but made alive quickened by the Spirit of God now we're not to deaths of Jesus one physical one spiritual there was one death a physical death much more then being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from the wrath of God through him in whom we have redemption through his blood the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His grace it was the physical death of Jesus that atone for sins not a spiritual death what else did Jesus say on the cross it is finished his work was completed on the cross dear friends something that you'll notice about every cult is every cult disparages the cross of Jesus Christ then it somehow just was not enough to pay for sins mormons disparage it jehovah's witnesses disparage it roman catholicism disparages the cross of christ talk about that just for a second I'm not sure if you're aware and a lot of Catholics are not aware of this but according to official Roman Catholic doctrine when Catholics have mass you know they call it this the what the sacrifice of the mass do you know why they call it the sacrifice of the mass because Catholics believe that when they have mass and the priest takes the little wafer the little cracker what they call the host the priest takes the host and he lifts up the host and at that moment there's a transformation that takes place in the priest is given power not to ask Jesus to come in and get it a little cracker but to command him to do so and according to official Roman Catholic doctrine it says that Jesus this is is I have a hard time even saying this Jesus vows his head in humble obedience to priest and Jesus comes out of heaven and gets into little cracker and that little cracker becomes the actual flesh of Jesus Christ their doctrine of transubstantiation it's not symbolically his flesh it is really his actual flesh and the wine that they drink is the actual real blood transubstantiation and the priest takes this little piece of a piece of Jesus and he lifts it up and he says we offer up this victim victim dear friends Jesus never has been it's not now nor will he ever be a victim he is the ultimate Victoire he says we offer up this victim in sacrifice they are sacrificing Jesus to put it bluntly they're killing him over and over and over and over thousands and thousands and thousands of times each and every day in Catholic churches all around the world they're sacrificing Christ they are killing him it's kind of ironic that the Roman Catholic Church at least theoretically says that it's pro-life when it comes to abortion I have my doubts about how how dearly they hold that but it's kind of ironic when they say that they're pro-life when it comes to abortion when it comes to Jesus they're Pro death they have no problem killing Jesus they do it over and over and over all the time and Catholics do not believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone Catholics believe you've got to add works to your faith you've got to go to confession and you've got to confess your sins to a priest who's just as sinful if not more so than you are and then you got to do works you got to say your Hail Marys you got to say our Our Fathers you got to pray the rosary you got to do all these things you got to works to your faith you've got to contribute to your salvation in the end Catholics believe when you die you get to go to a place called purgatory a place that does not even exist a place that the Catholic Church fabricated to enrich itself but you get to go to purgatory and you get to spend hundreds or thousands of years in purgatory and have all your other sins burned off that's Jesus somehow didn't pay for that is an offense to the gospel that is an offense to the gospel do you know the Catholic doctrine official Roman Catholic doctrine adopted at the Council of Trent in the year 1563 the count the Roman Catholic Church adopted a series of anonymous in other words a series of doctrines and they said if you believe these doctrines you are a Natha you are damned and you will go to hell if you believe these things you know what one of their Anathem says if you believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone you are enough of what that is the gospel that is the gospel and they say if you believe it you're you're damned and that remains official Roman Catholic doctrine to this very day it has never been rescinded and I am just I have had it up to here with this Pope and it is wall-to-wall his holiness they're talking about how humble this man is Oh Pope Francis he's so humble because he doesn't wear the red shoes of that Pope's usually wear he's so humble dear friends this man says that he is the Vicar of Christ on earth basically what that means is Catholics believe that the Pope is basically Jesus incarnate on earth if you think you're the The Vicar of Christ on earth and if you let people refer to you as His Holiness you think your holy and you let people you you have people kiss your ring you ain't humble I don't care what color your shoes are you're not humble if you think you're the vicar of Christ on earth Roman Catholicism is the largest organized theological cult on the planet do all Catholics understand that no but dear friends you cannot be saved a person cannot be saved if he embraces the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church cannot happen are they're saved Catholics let me put it this way if there are or yes there are a few but hear me if they are they are very new Christians they are immature they're newly saved and they don't yet understand they don't yet understand exactly what the Catholic Church is teaching but if if God saves a person in the Catholic Church it's not because of the Roman Catholic Church it's in spite of the Roman Catholic Church and when God does they save them and they become into well by God's Holy Spirit in God's holy spirit gives them a desire to grow in the Grace and knowledge of the Lord Christ and they start to read and study Scripture you know what's gonna happen they're gonna get out of the Roman Catholic Church they're not gonna stay there they're not gonna stay there do I hate Grohmann Catholics no no no a thousand times no I love Roman Catholics and I love him enough to tell him the truth I hate Roman Catholicism why because God hates it just like he hates any doctrinal system that is opposed to his gospel we should love the things that God loves and we should hate the things that God hates and if we love our Roman Catholic friends and family members we should love them enough to tell them the truth every cult disparages the cross of Christ oh this has been helpful for you we've covered a lot of ground I know a lot of ground but this is just this is really just kind of scratched the surface of the word faith movement so just kind of let you know it's very serious it's a lot more serious than what most people realize and so I thank you for coming thank you for your attention and we are going to break for lunch and when we come back after lunch we will begin mangled manifestations we'll work some Q&A if you have questions write them down a little card and put them in the bowl fishbowl or whatever you got in the backend and I'll try to answer some of those so did brother yes one hour one hour for lunch okay all right so you want me to just pray and we'll dismiss okay let's pray father we we cannot help but to be grieved when we see your gospel being distorted when we see your name being blaspheme but again Lord as we said last night this is not something that should take us by surprise this has been going on since practically the inception of your church and it's just reality and so may we not be unaware may we not be naive of what is being taught out there and may we be equipped to speak your truth to people and to speak that truth in love and we have every confidence not in ourselves but in you and who you are and what you've done for us in your lordship and your sovereignty in your word empowered by your Holy Spirit these things we ask in Christ's name

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Published: Tue Nov 03 2015