Jordan Peterson - Men Need To Become More Dangerous

you said that a harmless man is not a good man a good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control how should people become more dangerous oh becoming more articulate is definitely i would say that's the primary array of weapons so i mean physical prowess is something and it's not nothing that physical confidence that comes along with that as well but the same thing replicated at the level of the ability to communicate and to think that's a way broader field of of battle and opportunity so this is one thing that isn't taught well especially to boys it's more important to teach it to boys i would say because they're more skeptical of such of the educational enterprise in general generally speaking partly because they're less obedient partly because they're less agreeable that's particularly true for disagreeable boys and agreeable boys get higher grades independent of their iq and their and their academic achievement because they're easier to deal with so what do you tell disagreeable boys there's nothing that makes you more formidable than verbal competence than being able to articulate be able to think to marshal your arguments right some battlefield metaphor to get everything in order get all your information straight no to marshall your forces and so i mean that's part of the reason that rap artists are so popular especially among disaffected young men black and white alike because they're unbelievably articulate they have this incredible verbal prowess it's unbelievably attractive you know and it's associated with genuine artistic and redemptive activity often focusing on something that's approximately the voice of the underclass let's say but a powerful voice right and it's interesting to see how many young white guys identify with that was it aldous huxley that wrote doors of perception yeah yeah so this is kind of an equivalent of that right that you have a experience which many people struggle to articulate you take the best of us the one that has the most precise most articulate erudite language you drop them in and you say okay show us what you've learned this is the equivalent but for just a different community a different sort of life that maybe you don't have the ability to describe what it feels like to live on a council estate in manchester or in you know the one of the neighborhoods of brooklyn or whatever it might be and then this person can and it feels like it's your voice yeah well you still if you're a young man you still feel alienated from your place as rightful heir of the proper kingdom i mean that's an existential truism for everyone for every particularly for every young man because he is an outsider in many ways he's young and juvenile and not very highly valued and and then is is in some sense hurt by the inadequacies of the current king the current culture and and it's easily turned against it because of that and that's the machinations of the evil uncle that's the king arthur's story that's the story of horus horus and osiris it's an ancient ancient story it's the story of sauron and um it's there all the time and you see in that in rap music in hip-hop the the all of that alienation being given an articulated voice in an artistic sense and that's a good example of the power of verbal facility and that's the route to let's say marketing education to young men it's like you want to you want to take your rightful place in the kingdom it's like get your tongue straight man get it under control in the highest possible sense we went to a comedy club tammy and i and in uh new york the comedy cellar it's a great comedy club and the last comic was an english guy and uh he was uh not particularly physically pre-possessing and he he made a lot of jokes about that and it was quite funny and then he divided the audience into five sections and he asked each section to toss up a topic just to yellow the topic and they were like random topics like the kennedy assassination and electric lighting before 1890 those were two of the topics and the other three were just as diverse and then he put on some beats and he did about an eight minute wrap with every verse rhymed and he tied the whole thing together at the end and ended at the end of the music all spontaneously was unbelievable and that's logos man that's the redemptive power of the logos right there the magic word the sacred word it's just manifesting itself on stage this is something very impressive something about that that does feel dangerous as well and not in a i need to be concerned and this should be contaminated and walled off but in a way that you think that person has so much competence that it it's flowing out of them and you almost feel competent by being around them so you certainly feel confident by appreciating it right because it speaks to the part of you that is capable of appreciating such things you think wow that's really something that's really that's an amazing display that's an amazing thing to see amazing right a very interesting word amazing and you're you're trapped and you're trapped by the charisma of that and that charisma that's not nothing that's that's a signal of something redemptive occurring that that accounts for virtually all of the attraction of hip-hop and rap it's the articulate articulated voice of the struggling but worthy underclass i suppose that's a good way of putting it but those who are alienated from their rightful place and so that verbal prowess is one of the ways they struggle up towards the light you know and and that that's a good example of that uh of having that danger under control because it's a dark genre in many ways right it's it's a there's a there's a there's a real undercurrent an era of violence that surrounds that and its culture like the punk movement in the in in the uk back in the late 70s same same sort of thing but that that capacity to express that in a poetic manner in a compelling manner sid or johnny rotten was great at that he was so intense his he worked with pil afterwards public in public image limited is that his public image i think so he has a song called rise which i used to show my my clients all the time when i was starting uh assertiveness training with them i'd put on johnny rotten's rise and the line in there is anger is an energy and he's got these unbelievably intense eyes anger is an energy you bet and john lyden man he could channel that like almost no one i've ever seen he'd get that anger built up inside him and then it was completely under control and he expressed it in his music and he's absolutely captivating unbelievably charismatic and i really liked his music that raw anger in the music that but it was it was in the bloody music wasn't it it wasn't some random riot you know he transmuted that into something you know you can argue about the poetic merits of um of punk rock although i don't think you should i mean uh i did it my way sid vicious version of i did it my way my god that's a work of genius that it's so it's so brilliantly satirical what someone's doing is they're refining it they're distilling it down and then they're directing it so i went to a powerlifting competition a couple of years ago there's this one guy there lifting he holds a bunch of records in the squat and he's a normal working-class guy from a normal working-class town on the outskirts of newcastle and watching that man warm up is something else he's got a sacred playlist he never listens to the songs apart from when he's about to step on to the lifting platform he's got these headphones on and he's just walking up and down in the same way that you'd see a bull ready ready to go out ready to go and chase something and he steps out on stage and the hares stand up on the back of your neck you're watching this guy channel fury that's the god of war that's mars yeah he's in touch with that unbelievable and words man you go to war with words and you think that's what young men should be taught there we go bit of fury what's happening people if you enjoyed that then press here for the full unedited episode and don't forget to subscribe peace you

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Length: 9min 11sec (551 seconds)

Published: Fri Feb 25 2022