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(Kristen and Jon vocalizing) - They'll use that as a segue. - Yeah, they will. (gentle instrumental music) (gentle instrumental music continues) (Kristen inhales) Hamm. Hamm. (Jon inhales) We're starting. - Hi, hi. - We're starting. - Hi. - Whew. I think it was a good idea we slept here last night. - It was so good. - You just wake up. - I had the best sleep. - Yeah, because then it's takes too long to get ready. - I love sleeping in makeup. - Me too. - So good. - I love sleeping in any kind of set. - We're gonna talk. - What's up, Hamm? - Hi. We were talking. I have not seen you in forever, even though we just did the show together. - Before that, it was a long time. - It was a long time. There was a pandemic. - That happened. - There were some babies. - We did not see each other during COVID. - No, we didn't. - We followed the rules. - We followed the rules, guys. And we're six feet apart. - Yep, talk about "Fargo." - Here's the thing. (Kristen laughing) The city or the show? - Can I give you a compliment? - Sure, it may be the first time in your life. - That you are amazing on "Fargo" and "The Morning Show," two different characters. - Very different, shot at the same time. - Really? - Yeah, I was shooting those parallel tracks, flying back from Calgary to here in Los Angeles and I would shoot them both. - That's amazing. You're so good and I loved seeing you in a bad guy role. - Yeah. - Is that the word? - Yes, it is a role. - Guys, it's early, just get ready. I'm not going to be able to find words. - Go and live, or stay and die. It's up to you. I enjoyed doing both of them. It was super fun. I was watching "Fargo" since it started- - So good. - Because I thought it was such a bold idea to take that movie that was so awesome and try to reimagine it. And then they've done it so strangely, each season being so different, so it was fun to be a part of that. - And Noah, did he write it? - [Jon] Noah wrote, yeah. - Wow. - Yeah. It's an ambitious undertaking. - All right, so we got work stuff. - [Jon] It was very cold. - Oh, it was? - Very, very cold. - Okay. I'm like, "It was." - Speaking of cold. - Speaking of cold. Yeah, we're going to get the work stuff out of the way and then we're just going to gab. - Talk about cold, "Palm Royale." - Yeah, great segue. - [Jon] It didn't look cold. - [Kristen] It wasn't. - No, so the opposite of cold. Warm? I'd like to go with warm. - Yeah, we shot in California. - I like to call it Warm Royale. Tell me how that came about. - It's so weird to talk about business in this way because we're friends. - Well, tell me about how it came about because I really want to know because we haven't talked about it at all. - No, we haven't. - I haven't finished it. - That's okay. I haven't finished yours either. - Watching it and loving it. This means we haven't seen any of it. - This means we watched the trailer, you guys. But you know what? Just watch how we fake it. - Just fake it till you make it. And if you can't make it, don't fake it. - Fake it. F- ake it and then stick it. How did it come about? How did you get involved with it? You didn't write it because I know- - I did not write it. - You write your own stuff a lot, which we'll get to later. - It came to me through this actress. I don't know if you've heard of her, her name is Laura Dern. - No. - Icon Laura Dern. - Oh, Bruce Dern's kid. - Ladies, I have an announcement. I know, yes, surprised to see me considering you left me for dead. I mean, I just love Laura Dern. - [Jon] I love her too. - She had this in development for a few years. She had the book. - And the book was a memoir or was it of just total fiction? - Total fiction, it was called "Mr. And Mrs. American Pie." I mean, the show has gone- - At any point, did they say bye-bye? - 04:00 I hope they don't. - I hope they don't either. - We said bye-bye at the end of the shoot. - Right. - We said, bye-bye. - That's what they do whenever they wrap. They're like, "Bye-bye." - And everyone backs out. Yeah, and then I just said yes. - Well, it's so good. - I mean, the pilot was so good. Thank you. - You get a chance to do all of the things that you do so well. - Thank you. - Which I have, ever since I've met you, which I can't even remember the first time we met. It was way before I was on the show with, I want to say with Rudd or somebody, but it was a long, long time ago. - Like a social thing. - Like 2006. When did you start SNL? - Wait, did we meet before SNL? - Like, in passing. - I started 2005. - Five, okay, because I remember seeing you on the show and I want to say it was one of the first sketches you did. And it's one of my favorite lines that's ever been on the show, but it was from a sketch called Lady Business. Do you remember what I'm going to say? - I remember Lady Business. Yes, I do, something about a bear. - "Because I'm a bull in the boardroom, a boar in the bedroom, and a bear on the toilet." - You heard it here first. - And you delivered it so perfectly and I was like, "That girl's going to be amazing." - Well, I didn't write that line. - I know you didn't, I think Tina did. - [Kristen] Yes, yes, she did. - First of all, she gave you that line and didn't take it for herself because I think she was in the sketch too, but it was so good. And ever since you've been on the show and I've had the chance to work with you on the show so much, I love working with you. - I love it too. - Anytime you say, "Come do anything," I'll do it. When you said, "Please be in Bridesmaids," I was like, "Sure." And you were like, "We haven't written a part yet." (Kristen laughing) - And you said yes. - And I said yes and it was awesome. - And we had so much fun. - God. I think it's online somewhere, but the outtakes of us just non-stop laughing. And now every time I'm in a car, I put music on. If I have a scene in a car, I'll put music on and I'll start to dance with whoever's in the car with me for the scene partners, and they're like, "What are you doing?" I was like, "This is what Wiig and I would do." - Oh, I love that. - You remember that? Waiting for our cue and then, of course, missing our cue. - Yep, and it's in there. - To The Black Eyed Peas. - Yep. - Mazel tov. - That's so funny. Obviously, you're probably known for Don Draper. - At that point. - At that point. And it's so funny to me how when people are known for that thing and then there's something else, people are so surprised. - Well, I think happy. It's like a discovery. - Yeah, because it's like, "And he's funny." It's like, yeah. - You're like, "Oh, awesome." - When you did SNL, it was like ... - Well, do you remember? Of course, everybody on Monday, when you come in as the host- - [Kristen] Yeah. - There was a big meeting in Lorne's office, pre-COVID, where you'd come in and all the writers are there and all the cast is there and everybody jams into the small office. And everybody was in "Mad Men" drag. - Oh my God, that's right. Okay. - Which was very strange. - So we never do that. I don't think we've ever done it since. - [Jon] I don't think before or since. Bill Hader was in drag. John Lutz was dressed as Joan. - Kristen] Yep. - Paula Pell had a cigarette taped to her finger because she didn't know how to smoke, so she was doing this. - I totally forgot about that. - Everybody was already doing bits. Colin looks like... Colin Jost is like two years out of Harvard and looks like a total dirt bag, Staten Island dirt bag. - [Kristen] I love it. - It's amazing. - Staten Island dirt bag, that's the name of your- - It was my first high school band. - Yep. - [Jon] The Staten Island Dirt Bags. - But do you remember that group? It was like "Mad Men," "The Office," SNL. We kind of all... - Everybody jelled at the same time. - Ran with each other. - [Jon] Yeah, it was super fun. - It was so fun. - I didn't live in New York then and I wish I did because we could have hung out even more. But I became friends with you. - Yeah. - Hader. So many guys from that, Will, Fred, and so many guys from that cast and you guys were all so good. It was such a moment in time of distilled fun and funny. - And you were always so game when you came to the show. - I hosted three times in two years. - I know. - And then never again. - That's kind of a record. - But it was crazy. It was really fun to just be around that and so I was happy to be asked. It was so fun. It felt like I was being invited into a very cool group of folks. (Kristen and Jon vocalizing) They'll use that as a segue. - Yeah, they will. - So... - So yeah, hi. (Kristen laughing) - Kristin. - Jon. We haven't talked about "The Morning Show." - We haven't. I was on that show. - Which I love. You were in that show. - In it and on it. Are you in it or on it? In it, on it. - You're in it. In it, on it, around it. (Kristen and Jon laughing) - You've been smiling a lot. It unnerves me. - You take care of your end, I'll take care of mine. - What a great group of people to work with. Billy. - Yes. - Billy. I mean, you had a lot of scenes with Billy. He's so good. - Billy Crudup, who I saw. The first time I saw Billy Crudup was on stage in 1994. I was teaching school and during spring break, teachers get spring break too. So I was like, "I'm going to go to New York City." I was teaching acting and I wanted to be an actor so I was like, "I'm going to go to New York City. I'm going to stay on my friend's couch and I'm going to go see plays." - Oh, that's cool. - I was getting my awesome salary so I was getting paid to go to New York. It was business. And I saw Billy Crudup in "Arcadia," which was a play by Tom Stoppard, one of my favorite plays. And I was like, "Who is this guy?" He was so good. It was him and Robert Sean Leonard, both of whom I sort of look like, and I was like, "Oh, I want to do what they do. I want to get that opportunity." - Did you start in... - I started in theater. I was at the University of Missouri. When I graduated from the University of Missouri, I had a theater scholarship. And it wasn't like going to NYU or something where you're like, oh, you just go to Broadway. It was like, oh, I got to go somewhere else where they can hire people to do that. So when I saw Billy doing that, I was like, it's such a good play. He was so good in it. Everybody in it was so good. And I was like, maybe I could do this for a living. - He was my first on-screen kiss. - Billy Crudup? - Yes. - In Billy's long time walk, what was it? - "Pretty Bird." I was so nervous. - "Pretty Bird." - And I'd never done it before. Yeah, it was my first on-screen kiss. And I remember talking to the director, because I was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Is it like go in with tongue? And he was like, "No." He's like, "No, do not do that." - Or, yeah. - Or yes. But he was very sweet, and yeah, I was nervous. - We kissed on screen. - We did, in "Bridesmaids." - That was a fun movie. - It was so fun. That was the last day of shooting. - That was the last day of shooting. And fun fact, I had been shooting two weeks every day on "Mad Men," and the last weekend, I shot pickups on the town and we shot the other stuff for "Bridesmaids," the driving stuff. So all of that stuff in the bed that we shot at the beginning of the movie was the... Everybody just wanted to leave and we were goofing around. - Are you kidding? Everyone was so- - The crew did. - No, they were like John Hamm is coming. Are you kidding me? No, I disagree. - Well, okay. - Sorry. - It felt it was definitely the last day energy of people, like can we... And we could not keep it together remotely. It was the dumbest- - It was so fun because it was so loose and like, oh, what if we do this and what if we try this? - And Paul Feig yelling like sex instructions. From, "Put her leg over your shoulder." Okay. We're in naked body suits. - I know, yep. - Oh boy. - It was so dumb and fun. - Dumb and fun, amazing. And you and Annie made one of the best comedies of all time. - [Kristen] Well, thank you. - [Jon] And you got nominated for an Oscar. - [Kristen] Well, and you're in it. - [Jon] And I'm in it. - And you made it great. - Boom! What's up, fuck buddy? You call for some roadside assistance? - Let's talk about your character in "Fargo." - Sheriff Roy Tillman. - Roy, yes. Who I did hear you said was slightly just visually kind of based on the Marlboro man? - Well, that was Noah's hope. He's like, "I want this guy to be the Marlboro man." - He kind of was. - Okay. I think what Noah was trying to do is sort of explode this idea of this rugged individualist that seems to be a very popular idea right now. It's kind of like sovereign citizen and no one can tell me what to do and this is my freedom and it's all about me. It's this very onanistic kind of real self-centered, narcissistic idea of what being an individual has to be, being free must be. - Right. - You are free from all of the constraints of government and society and all those things. Well, of course that's impossible. But there are people who subscribe to that. And when they take it to the extreme, this is what you get, this guy who the rules don't apply because he makes the rules. I remember seeing the scripts come in and being like, wow, we're really kind of going there. And it just murdering people and just having his way with whoever comes across him. And I think to a certain segment of the population, that's not a bad thing. - [Kristen] Yeah. - Like, P\people are celebratory of that. And I think it is a cautionary tale. What we do, we need to live in a community, we need to live in a society that has rules and we need to follow the rules. And we can point to one obvious orange example of that right now, who's kind of bumping up against the rules as well. So I think that was the hook of it, and it was really fun to play. It's all on the page. I didn't necessarily bring a ton to it. He wrote in the nipple rings and all the peculiarities to him, and that's very "Fargo." That's very specific to Noah's sense of the world. And I think that's what makes it even more fun to watch as you see these kind of people that you think are in one lane and all of a sudden, they swerve over two lanes. You're like, oh, okay. Well, Agent Joaquin, I think you'll find that there is no one on God's green earth who is a greater enforcer of the laws of this land than Roy Tillman. - Why do I feel like there's a but here? - When we meet Roy in "Fargo," you have quite an entrance, or should I say a rising up out of the water? - Yes. - You are in full nipple piercings- - Completely naked. - What were you wearing? - I was wearing a little thing around my junk. - A sock? - A sock around my junk, a junk sock. - Junk sock, technical term. - Have you ever been to Junk Sock? - I've not. - It's so beautiful, it's in Thailand. - It's fancy. - Gorgeous. It's a gorgeous resort in Thailand. (Jon laughing softly) - It's so hard to ask a question because we just veer. - There's a process of making fake nipples that stick onto my real nipples that have little earrings in them- - Was it like an adhesive? What are we talking here? - Sure. It's a little latex sitch. - Oh. - It reminded me of, and it always comes back to SNL, but it reminded me of when they put you in the face so they can put all the whatever they have to do that we had to do, the alien thing that Hader did. They had to do a mold of my face, and you have to just... But they did that on my nipples. There's a picture of me with two little blue latex things on my nipples that I'll send you. - Oh, yeah. - And then it's like on the day, okay, I'm going to sit in this hot tub for a while with a weird beige bag around my junk, and- - Was it cold? - It wasn't cold. It was a hot tub, it was nice. - No, I mean like outside. - Outside? Yeah, but inside, it was okay, so I just hung out all day. - Did you not get all the scripts? Did you get them as you went? - I got almost all of them. I think the last two came- - But did you know how it would end? - I didn't think it was going to end great for my guy. - Yeah, yeah. - You couldn't have that guy kind of get away scott free. - Right. - But I didn't know the specifics and I certainly didn't know that there would be a detour into a puppet show all of a sudden or whatever. So there were a lot of really creative left turns that Noah, and to FX's amazing credit too, they let the show go where it goes. Part of it is setting it against this beautiful backdrop of the mountains and what is meant to be the upper Midwest in the US which actually was filmed in Calgary in freezing, freezing, freezing cold, minus 20 degrees. It was so cold. But you get all of that and you put it on screen, which is awesome. I mean, that's the fun part of doing it is immersing yourself in this landscape for so long. The difficult thing for me was that, I mentioned that I was also shooting "The Morning Show," so I would have to fly back every other week and go do a week on that, which is sunny in LA. - Yeah, you're in a sauna. - Even though it was supposed to be in New York City. And I'm in a sauna. So it was a weird kind of gear shift. - Is that hard to do just creatively or is it kind of two different places? - I think it's fun, it's so fun. It's kind of like the fun part of SNL where I remember one time when I was hosting and we both had quick changes next to each other and you're like, "Get ready." And I was like, "What do you mean?" And you're naked. I'm naked, we're both naked. I was like, oh. - I'm sure I covered up my bits. - No, no, no, not naked, naked. But they're tearing, literally tearing, clothes off you and stuff. - You just have to like... - [Jon] You have to go with it. - Yeah. The last time I was back I had a quick change and they were just stripping me and Donna's there and I just looked over and Keenan was right there doing the same thing and they were like, oh. And I was like, oh, we've seen each other. - All of the parts, it's fine. - You just go back. - And that was literally what you and I had had this one time. And I was like, oh right. It's not awkward or weird. It's only awkward because you have to submit to it. - So fast. - And it's so fast. - And I love watching other people do it and see all the different, like Donna who's the amazing woman that takes the host around. She's always pulling you. It's just like wig, wig, wig. Okay, foot, lift foot, zip. Okay, arm, arm, lips. And then you're just sort of like... And people are- - You're a mannequin. You're a total mannequin. - You're just sitting there and you're just doing that and then head- - Having people tie your shoes or Velcro your buttons or all this stuff. - Everyone that does it. - It is so bananas. - I love it. - That's, for me, I turned into a nine-year-old and it's like this is what we get to do and they pay us money for it. It is outstanding, I love it. - I remember the first time I saw the show, it was like right when I got hired and they were like, come see the show. The in-between sketches is like- - It's chaos. - It's such a beautiful dance. You're like, oh no, it's just... - You never see the seams. - God, it's so cool. No. - It's seamless. - It's seamless. (people chattering) - Are you guys even on the ballot? - [Speaker] I'm on the ballot, sherfiff. Let's get one with all the- - [Speaker] Hey, that's assault. - Sheriff. (crowd gasping) - Similarly to "Fargo" about the landscape and all this stuff, I wanted to ask you about "Palm Royale" because that to me feels so much of a time and place. Did you shoot that in Miami, or? - We shot it in LA. - In LA. - Yeah. - It's amazing because it's so mid century and it feels so of that time, but it really does resonate. It must've been a fun place to be in for... - It was, and I obviously learned more about it being a part of the show and you sort of get that entryway by the Slim Aarons photos and things like that. It's such a bubble. Nowhere else in the country were they dressed like that and doing that. It's this weird vortex of pastels and day drinking. - Especially with Leslie Bibb. - It was so- The cast. - Such an amazing cast. - Yeah. - [Jon] Especially with Carol Burnett who lived through it. - Yeah, I mean, I could talk for 20 minutes about Carol Burnett. - Go ahead, I'll go. - Yeah, you want to go? - Yeah, I'll just go. - Okay, great. - Just talk to yourself about it. - Yep. (Kristen laughing) I'll just go right to camera. She's a fucking legend. - Force, right? - Sorry I swore. She deserves it. I grew up watching her. - Me, too. - I mean, influenced so many people in sketch comedy and being a woman at that time with her own show. She's also just like, she shows up on set. She's talking to everyone. She knows everyone's name. She's telling stories. She kind of hangs out on set in between and just talks to people and hangs out, and she's such a light, people just lit up around her. - I like to hear that because I feel like it's... I know that you, having an experience that we've had being on set together and all the things that we've worked on together, part of it is to not get jaded or too over it or feel like, ugh, I've got to be here. It's like, we get to be here. (Carol mumbling) - You are exactly right. I'm gonna go walk up to him and tell him face to neck. - How many years were you on SNL? - Seven. - Seven years, and now you've hosted five times. I think my first time hosting was in 2009. So that would've been your fourth year, like right in the middle of you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then for 2009, 2010, I hosted three times and we worked together so much. That's when we shot "Bridesmaids." We did all this stuff. And then I was at your last show, too. - You were, yep. - Which was so awesome and fun and I'm sure tremendously emotional for you. I know it was, I watched it. - Yeah. - And it was so great with Arcade Fire and Mick Jagger and Lorne and dancing and she's like a rainbow and I'm going to make you cry and all the other things. - I know, yeah. - Then you've hosted five times in the 10 years since then. - [Kristen] Yeah. - How was it to have this five time kind of milestone? - Like my last show, I guess 2000, whatever that was. - [Jon] That was so funny. - I was so emotional that week. I cried during read through, I sobbed after read through, and I just didn't want to cry on air. I just wanted to try to not cry. And I didn't really, even though it was probably one of the most emotional nights of my life. And then with five timers, I kind of surprised myself that I got a little emotional at the end. I still can't even explain why. I think part of it, I did love that you were there and Will was there and Fred and Ryan and Matt and Paula and James. - It was a nice reunion. - [Kristen] It really was. It felt like- - In so many strange ways. - Yeah, and I think the other times I've hosted, it's weird to go back as a host a little bit because you're seeing the other side of the curtain. - Everybody that I've talked to that I know from the cast that's gone back and hosted from Tina to Bill to you, everybody that's done it, has said it's a real mind fuck. It's a weird gear shift. - It is. - Because you're like, I know what I'm supposed to do when I'm here and now I'm not doing it. I have to do this other thing. - And this time felt more like I was in the cast or something. I don't know, I can't really explain it. Maybe because, again, you guys were there. I love the cast right now and I think honestly, I didn't think I would ever get to the five time. So I think it was emotional. - I mean, I said it to you probably three or four times that night, but it just felt simultaneously like a throwback and also we were so in it. We're so much older now. - So much older. - So much older, I'm 75. - God, you look good. - You've got to be 60. - Ish. - Ish, 60-ish. - I don't want to say the exact... - Right, no, you never ask a woman her age. (Jon groans) 65, though. - Yep, around there. - All right. But it's crazy because it feels like it was yesterday. - I know. - That's the most bonkers part about it. - I think also because the crew doesn't really change. If the crew changed and I went back and the cast is obviously different, I think I would've felt like it's another world. - Well, it's also funny because for me, it's such an amazing thing to be part of when you walk down the halls and you look at the pictures. - Same hall, yeah. - And it's getting a chance to work with someone like Carol Burnett or for me, like Bobby Morse on "Mad Men," the people that have this history and being a part of that history, and now we're part of that history. And it's like as much as I don't think I'm my age because I don't feel like I'm 53 years old, but I am. And it's like I've been doing this a long time. We've been doing, collectively, been doing this a long time and it feels really good. - And I think there's something about that group of people that you knew before things sort of- - For sure. - Got bigger. - Coalesced. - Yeah. - It was still percolating. - Yeah, and like, Rudd, when we were all back, it felt like, oh, we kind of knew each other and performed together before we did all these other things in our lives. - Yeah, before the stakes were so high, too. It was just like we're just goofing around. - Yeah. - A little danish on your neck tie. (audience laughing) - Oh, and look at these soiled trousers. They need a dry cleaning. - Oh, uh... The crazy thing about "Palm Royale" is how much DNA it shares with "Mad Men" in that kind of beautiful fashion and architecture and culture and style, all of it. That had to be a blast, but what it really reminded me of was Mindy Grayson from Secret Word. (Kristen laughing) I feel like she could swan into that show. - She probably could. - And crush. I mean, I know how fun it was because I did it for 10 years, but to be able to put those clothes on. I just watched the scene where they do the impromptu fashion show in the dressing room- - With the live models. They used to do that. People would come in and model clothes for people. - Yeah, and walk around, and you could like... I mean, this is going to sound like the douchiest thing ever, but I was just in St Barts and they had that at a restaurant that we went at. - Were they selling clothes? - Yeah, and- - Wait, tell me. - Okay, so it was like a little boutique next to the restaurant and they had models wearing the clothes from the boutique walking around the tables. And you'd be like, oh, this is a thing. And it was very strange. - But kind of fun. - But kind of awesome, yeah, super awesome. It was still- - I wonder if anyone bought anything. - 100%. The boutique was jammed when we, jammed. - It was jammed? - It was totally jammed. - Jam-packed? - It was jam-packed. It was jammed. Anyways, that idea of it's so strange and foreign, but it's so glamorous and so particular. - And just being there with those ladies. - Well, and you can see why your character wants to be a part of that. It's so aspirational and it's so exciting to be able to go into a place and go make me an outfit. - And it was the culture in that place. It was like, if you are not that person, if you're not the Shiny Sheet, you're having a bad week. No one wants to talk to you. - The town I grew up in in like the little community that I went to high school in in St. Louis had a version of that, like the local newspaper, of all the ladies who'd lunch. They all went to this, they all shopped at the same shops, and they all gossiped, and it was a whole thing. And you were just like, wow, this is like- - I could not survive. - I was very much out of it. I was from the wrong side of the tracks for sure. I did not understand it, but it was very much a thing. And the Shiny Sheet. - It's a real thing. - Oh, God. - There's a real Shiny Sheet and it's still going. - President Nixon is coming to your party? - He wants to meet the astronaut, yes. And me. - Astounding. (group clapping) - It's so weird what we get to do. And we get to do it, not have to do it. We get to do it. It's so weird and fun and awesome. And when they say, "You want to do that?" You're like, "Yeah." - [Kristen] Yeah. - I mean, it's always yes, and how much more fun can we make it? And that is why I love working with you. - That is why I love working with you too. - Why when we get to do things together, people like watching us. And this is no exception. When they asked me to do this, I said, "I want to do it so bad." - Me too. - And I made it happen, we made it happen. I loved doing it, I love you. - I love you. We're supposed to say goodbye to each other now. - Forever? - I mean, I hope not. - I hope not. You know what, I'm tired, so I'm going to probably just- - Go back to sleep? - Go back to sleep. - All right. (Jon snoring) By, Hamm. (gentle music) God, he goes quick. (gentle instrumental music) (gentle instrumental music continues) (gentle instrumental music continues)
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