John Gotti’s Hitman | John Alite Of The Gambino Family Tells All With Message 1-2 | MSCS MEDIA #96

[Music] all right we got john elite here thank you for coming in john thanks for having me tom many uh shootings killings federal cases tv shows you're everywhere yeah i've been busy they should call the show uh what's the one that they got on now on uh tv all the time they go to you every two seconds it's new york versus the mafia yeah yeah pierce city city i hope they're giving you a nice kick for that man yeah i did okay with them you know but you know a lot of those shows is a lot more attention that you get financially so it is you know it works out in its own way well yeah because you get all the gigs off it you know you do other magazines and you know things like that so they go to you every two seconds yeah it seems like i i said it's called johnny city yeah now you got this patreon thing going on yeah tell us a little bit about that well patreon's like um you pull that up rock patrons uh for the private you know people that uh get content that i don't put on my show my my 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my coaches and i'd box down at the lost battalion hall with you know with them and other guys david sears that fought michael spanx and those guys were all in the same gym with me jerry cooney i did a radio show with him so you know all of us grew up kind of together and uh you know i wanted to be an athlete that's what my father wanted me to be so your goal was like to make it to the mlb oh yeah 100 yeah yeah so then you grow up you go to school then you end up going to tampa to college right yeah university of tampa and then you get a scholarship off for to play baseball yeah i had two crazy coaches coach cavanaugh was a pro pitcher and uh coach pete mullery was a tamper catholic he was a phenomenal coach that won like dozens of championships and then he brought it over to the university of tampa and he touted me at one of my games in frank k lane and they brought me over and i ended up playing only for a half a season or close to a season and i had an arm injury and that was it but they brought me over to ut and a great program won a couple world series people that know ut they've got a great baseball program wow that's great yeah and then what made you walk away from it the old energy just didn't heal right yeah tommy john surgery back then it wasn't successful back then did you have that no no you didn't have a friend of mine had that yeah it just never was the same no you know what because back in those days i wasn't as a young kid i pitched but later on i caught then i you know i played second base shortstop but we didn't have pitch counts back then we throw like you know 500 balls a day you know when you're killing your arm right and you don't realize that you should you know there should be a count on how often you're throwing a ball you go in the outfield you're not warming up properly and you know you end up you know i had bone fragments in my in my elbow and so you know and yeah you killed your own career but and now when you were growing up you were in the same neighborhood as john gotti jr or junior right well he was up two neighborhoods up i was up on jamaica avenue and kind of in the area where his father grew up in brownsville brooklyn i was in east new york uh queensbrook and borderline and uh jamaica avenue so yeah different we come from kind of poverty areas yeah now you know you're in college you got the scholarship to baseball you know and you actually like you have like the bill of a baseball player when you go back to his photo you got that you got that chest line man you got to teach us how to get that i never lift weights really it was just all push-ups pull-ups boxing jumping rope so you know it was you wanted to be in those days you wanted to be cut up you didn't want to be bulky yeah you know you want to have bat speed and you know so you want that talk and you know later on as you know when you're getting older you want to get a little bigger because of you know girls and whatever yeah now you well you were big and shredded yeah yeah you know so you do all that um and then you you hurt your arm now when do you start to turn into the whole mafia thing are you already dabbing yeah i'm dabbling i mean everybody around these gangsters my father's friends are all gangsters my uncle's involved with the detroit mob my other uncle's involved here in in in queens with them so i was always dabbling and you know like i said the russians were like my uh you know my mentors and so i was around the father who was you know obviously a famous gangster and you know so really your your access to them is like a normal world even though it's not we know it's not a normal world but for us it was a normal world right and then plus you had the injury so there goes baseball yeah it goes baseball my friends were wild kids they were all i was actually you know the least wild of all my friends all my friends were already selling drugs killing guys shooting guys getting stabbed up getting shot and i was really the slowest one out of all of them to come too yeah basically so many words right yeah and speaking of gotti i saw a thing about how much you hated the uh john travolta movie with uh gotti i never you know what i never i actually i'm a travolta fan yeah pull up that one it's up there it's the uh third one yeah they got you yeah they got me on there they put a whole article on there i actually didn't say much about it because i didn't watch the movie i just said that i'm a travolta fan yeah and i was reading a lot of you know the uh you know the i guess it got bad reviews i figured what they call it but uh it wasn't yeah yeah yeah but being in that is travalta i i personally would have thought that it would have been really good so i went to see it and it was kind of boring yeah it just it didn't have like it didn't have that feel that it should have or they could have made it out to me you know whether you hate them or not or love them whatever it may be true i thought travolta could have done a way better well i'll tell you the guardian movie that was good was it amanda sante yeah he actually bullied a good part yeah you know so that was a good movie i was surprised chevalter didn't play you know as maybe he's at the end of his career too a little bit so who knows yeah i thought that was good too yeah that was 10 that was back like when donnie brasco came out yeah i think that came out in around 96 or something like that the amana sante won yeah that was yeah that was a good one that was a good one so now you're starting to lead into the mafia life you know associate soldier but you're albanian yeah your grandparents are albanians yeah i have a lot of albanian friends i know one thing don't [ __ ] with them great people but [ __ ] crazy yeah very short-tempered yeah short temper yeah yeah i would say no no i mean it's just you're done yeah yeah but you know loving but you cross them that's it yeah run run real fast yeah and well you know you know once you know we talk about that once loyalty's lost um you know everybody's got their beliefs on what the way they should handle and that's on them so you know i have my belief and uh you know i stick by it yeah i can tell you this every albanian friend i have is loyal as can be yeah and we'll take the shirt off their back until you [ __ ] them yeah then they're gonna hang it then they go the other day yeah they go the other way yeah so you know once again you're dipping and dabbing now when does it really become like okay this is this is where i'm headed well a lot of my friends were you know in some of the books and the rumors that i was involved with seven and nine it was a gang that all my friends grew up in and uh i wasn't involved in that gang but i had a lot of friends in that gang so they were already involved like i said in murder and and robberies and shootings and different things so i would stay with them but i wasn't a member of seven or nine so i think that was another big impact in my life in the criminal world and we started selling drugs and you know you got involved in dabbling with drugs and and you know as well as i do once you start dabbling with drugs the violence comes with it whether you like it or not it's just part of it it's possible yeah yeah so you're dabbing with the drugs and are you kind of associated now with the gambino crew or not yeah you're kind of no i'm associated with with the uh reggianos and actually fat andy and and uh anthony go back and forth to jail and albert doesn't go to jail and anthony still jokes about you know when i i got away from them he used to tell his brother how'd you let this [ __ ] kid get away from us you know because you know you know your kid you still don't really you know you you're not really understanding this is your home you know so you're friends with this because your neighborhood everybody knows each other from different crews you start staying with this crew i'm staying with frankie burke jimmy burke's son it was very close with him and then you know later on years later he gets killed but you know we're all friends and you know you're not looking at it as so much as i am a mobster i'm not a gangster i'm just friends with them so if my friend says take a ride you take a ride you know if a guy says hey let's go hit the airport we're going to do a you know score we're going to hijack a truck we didn't say oh is he with the gambino family or is he with this just a group of our friends who happen to be guys around the gambino family we'd go rob you know we we hit a score at the at the airport yeah so it was like basically you grew up with everybody you hung out with them you know all your life so it was just normal wasn't like oh i'm with the gambinos or the genovese or luke okay whoever it was just like all right just going for a ride like i've done all my life yeah i mean you know my older cousin he gets killed he gets killed young actually about 26. he was like he was working for uh cyril perrone you know in the genovese family with johnny santora these are guys people really don't talk too much about but johnny was a major tough guy too he was muscle for for uh cyril perrone and later on in life he got straightened out but he died and uh him my cousin they were all partners they were all friends and so even though that that's my cousin's with another crew my other cousin patsy his father the one that died his son ends up dating richie gotti uh senior got his brother's daughter for six years so that was my other cousin's you know so he's around with them through you know through the daughter actually he was dating for six years so you know we're all without you know we intermingled so it's kind of like uh ancestry i think you had pretty much no chance after after that tommy john i mean yeah you know i my altar lou romano in his new book i just did mafia international he talks about zip codes and i always bring it up so we live in a zip code you know that so if you're from south philly and you're in that area you know the the you know most likely you're gonna end up in the street somewhere i mean not a lot of guys and you know don't but there's your chances it's right in front of your face it's easy money you know the fun of going hanging out the camaraderie always talk about and you know it's part of it yeah like no waiting in line you know everybody kisses your ass you know it's booked you get the table it's hard to walk away from that it becomes addicting and as a young man you know you want the attention you know i talk different now because i'm trying to talk to kids about you know don't don't live that life have a different life enjoy your life you spent a lot of time away other guys spent a lot of time it's not really life man there's so many other ways to make a good living and you know when i push that agenda on the young guys and people that want to hate on me because i'm pushing and i'm telling kids to have a good life well you know i'm sorry they feel like so to me it's like just immature stuff the way they act and do something positive stuff none of us want to drag our kids in the street so anybody that says anything different is lying you know you know i got one son now in jail so you know somebody asked what he was in jail for and you know he was in jail for you know initial the first time for a shooting so you know and unfortunately that's some of the things that i got to take the blame for because he seen me doing things like that no matter what i say he followed it and that's the last thing you want yeah i saw you and your son i don't know what show was one it was on something yeah he was recently yeah he was jacked yeah my kids are in good shape yeah yeah you've got them in a good shape boy yeah that's another one you don't want to write yeah he was in real good shape yeah yeah both of you guys but but he doesn't get involved in street stuff at all which i'm proud of so yeah and uh like i was telling you before we got on uh michael dow was in yesterday he talked so highly of you he said you like you how you were the first one to help him when he needed some help yeah he's a good guy mike great guy great guy so just so he knows that i told you yeah he had great things to say about you thanks crazy mike and he's doing the same thing you're doing you know trying to you know teach these cops look if you know if you get in this be sure this is what you would want to be because you know you're going to have a hell of a time and what you're doing now i think should be more appreciated that you're going and telling you know people look stay the [ __ ] away from this [ __ ] well i had a real close friend there was a cop detective i don't know if you know that no he he did a murder with me he sold drugs with me bookmaker with me and people say to me oh you don't really like him that's not true he was real cheap bastard i mean he made big big money with me i made him a multi-millionaire and then when i needed him he he abandoned me yeah but i'll tell everybody the truth when we're on the street he's not that tough with his hands but he's tough with a gun and he didn't and he stood with me he was one of the tougher guys on the street but as soon as we got jammed up people are saying oh when he's in jail he's a cop when he was on the street he was okay because he was helping guys so you know you know that's that double standard of that life and the treachery and but i still speak highly i mean i try to speak the truth about the guy he was tough you know he was tougher than 90 of the guys that were they were on the street but you know just his doubtful he was a cheap bastard and you know if you ever wanted a drink and you were starving and thirsty you're going to die he ain't picking up a kid he's like that right that reminds me of somebody else that i happen to know so you got four kids too right yeah yeah how many girls did he get one girl one girl yeah three boys you're the only one yeah you got three boys i got a girl you know a couple of friends that we know all girls you got three yeah okay lucky lucky i got a 10 month i'll do it i'll come back and so you don't sleep that much uh no no she's not too bad so you got four three boys uh one daughter yeah that's cool and then uh so now things are rocking and rolling and then you run into charlie corneglia am i right dude this is when the heat starts happening right because like the first time you got indicted well on the on the major one on the you know we knew a rico case was coming and uh johnny's away his brother who we're all loyal to johnny and then charles steps in but you know we don't have a lot of respect for him because he's getting high a lot he's shooting up he's smoking crack he's doing different things he's not a gangster like johnny and we try to be loyal to him because of johnny and uh very difficult to to do obviously if somebody's a junkie and a drunk and these other things you know a wild guy but uh you know anything you you do with them you can't trust them and you know we did some crazy things we robbed the funeral paula papa vera funeral parlor he was involved with us we robbed the sears out in vineland new jersey we held up the place uh had about six seven hundred thousand at that time in the safe we we aligned that up with with the guy's dead now but he was uh an ex-cop ex warden that was in on it and setting up the cameras for us so it was kind of we did it with a little intelligence we didn't go in there like armed robbers and that's it so but you know he was involved in some of those robberies and when the things went down uh he you know in all of our opinions he didn't do the right thing he didn't do the right thing by by johnny's stepson who i speak highly of people who aren't a bad mother guy but the guy did a lot of work on the street and he was a good guy so i'm never going to talk bad about johnny stepson i like him you know people say well he testified again so he gave you listen for me that life's done because i got no hard feelings with any of these guys that testified against me i just kind of keep it moving it's my past and i look at the guy that he was a lot tougher than most of these guys still so when they talk about it he was very loyal to johnny so you know unfortunately when johnny left things changed and and that's life i mean you know we can't go backwards whether we like it or not no if you hold a grudge you're just hurting yourself anyway yeah right because you're the one who's just let it go you're right yeah i let all i'll let it go i mean i dozens of guys you know testified against me and you know and you know a lot of those guys i still talk to now so people like why do you talk to me because i really changed my life yeah it's over so it doesn't matter yeah my war is over it's done so you know i'm just you know doing the thing what i'm doing and my life's about talking about kids moving forward positive stuff and you know having a decent life again and then in 95 with uh corneglia charles now here's the thing like knowing he's doing drugs you know knowing that he's getting high all the time weren't you worried doing you know this type of activity with him knowing that he's [ __ ] up 100 percent we're you know we're walking in the house and he's smoking out you know he's piping it up so you know and his brother was away so he doesn't know he thinks he's has a drinking problem he doesn't know that he's smoking crack he doesn't know that he's shooting up he doesn't know that he knows that he's not intelligent and he knows that he doesn't belong in the life he knows it his family knows it they didn't want him around him but it's his brother so you gotta you know somewhat he loves obviously loves his brother so he's got you know he was in a bad spot because when you're in jail you know this you need people to do favors for you you know people are taking your money and and listen when johnny's in front of you he's you know guys are petrified and he's not just the talker he's the guy that's doing it so he's not sending me or anybody else anywhere before he does it so that's why you got such respect from when you're in that life but when you got a brother like that who's not doing the right thing for you and breaking weak when you want things and he's not being loyal to his brother and at times he was and then he wasn't then he's playing you know he's playing triple hands so you know it's it's it's it's just the facts of what happened and no no none of us can change it but i mean like the captains didn't see that you know he's doing coke or nobody really knew oh they know everybody knows they let it go yeah they let it go and this is the problem with the mob he had no business being straightened out i mean you know he's one of the guys that got straight down my house actually so you know these guys are getting made in my house and you know these guys they didn't belong in those positions it's just you know sometimes everybody thinks it's better to have an army of guys a hundred you know made guys you're better off with ten mate good guys not you know guys that belong in the life not loose cannons not guys are gonna kill a guy for no reason and the guy for you know he did some dumb murders i mean really it was stupid things for no reason for petty things and and uh you know this is the doubtful and then when you got a guy that's getting high to the extent he is you're gonna bring everybody down and his thinking is not normal and you can't trust him because one day he's on your side the next day he's against him one day he's trying to set you up the next day he's not so you know and that's that's exactly what happened with johnny's stepson adopted son with charles he was trying to be loyal to a guy that's not being loyal back and he's doing it because his love for his fault right not for the caring of charles so you know and again you know it is at this point exactly what happened and there's nothing you can do about it so and probably just in my opinion i you know i don't know you know but oh his john carnegie you know held a ton of weight like like you were saying before we started i mean he was like the you know he's a gangster well when you're talking about gangster gangster he was good with his family he was a smart street guy he was fun to hang out with he loved to go out with his family and party and go to the hamptons i mean there's a book out uh it's called gotti's boys now and it talks about all of us at his house and on video i guess somebody got the video of what's at his house so you know that was the guy on the boats on the harleys laughing all the time but then when things got serious if he asked you to do it trust me he already did it he's not one of those guys sitting at home going hey go do this for me and didn't do it he did it all at work so we you know nobody hesitated for him because they're saying listen he never gave up any of his guys he had some guys like this you know during the shootings years ago anthony stabile and then this guy banky guys that were around johnny he protected them anybody else would have those guys killed and give him up so he had very loyal qualities johnny and he had you know he was and again he taught his kids well he raised his kids he's got good kids and he had a really a nice wife so you know when but the disloyalty is when he's in jail and his own mother-in-law died all of a sudden nobody wants to go to his wake this is a guy that she steps out in the door you know they're [ __ ] themselves now all of a sudden you're disrespecting him you won't go to his his mother-in-law's wake this is what the treachery of the life that i talk about you know how did they do this to this man that not only went to jail he took an extra 20 years he didn't have to take yeah yeah explain that story because you're because he could have done what did you say he got in 12 years he would have did all law now so he would have did tops nine you know in nine years and he would and he already came home a young man instead he listened to his boss who was john gotti senior who said you're not taking no play you're going to trial so you know and it was one of the longest running cases by the way he kept getting different things were going on but he he actually and i it shocked me that he did it because people everybody knows a running boss last five seven years tops so by the time if he would have just took the the 12 and said oh let him [ __ ] let him do this or not i'll be out he's going to be gone probably anyway right because johnny was a a free thinking guy like i said he wasn't that guy when he was getting a phone call from john he would make fun of him he would tease him in a good way you know they were close but he wasn't that guy like when he said sit here and play [ __ ] pinocchio all day he would like get the hell out i ain't sitting here playing peter i'm busy with my kids i'm busy on the boat i'm having a good time i'm not playing cards all day that's not me right like i have some free time where i don't have a job to do i'm going to be with my family or and a lot of guys like us loved hanging around with them because it was fun and then there's other guys that you're sitting and you're just you know looking at your watch every two seconds like when are they going to release it so we can go backwards you know because we're miserable yeah the same [ __ ] over and over and i just talked about joe you know guys you know you know with joey listen you can dislike him or like him that's not the point when i tell guys when i talk about him well it doesn't matter how he feels about me but you got to be honest the guy's a fun guy to go hang out with when he's around the party's starting so you know that's just being as as a group of guys forget about gangsters you you know you're going to have fun that was johnny connect so when you're with johnny you know you're going to have a good time and nobody's going to [ __ ] with you and nobody's listening anybody anybody talks any different about john you know i heard stories too guy he told me he had a problem in the yard and whatever happened doesn't really matter to me i says you know guys talk about that too you know everybody doesn't win every fight i mean it's just a stupid mentality you guys oh this guy sucker punched me knocked him cold so what i said well you're talking about a gangster let him try that when he's in a different position i says and he's out in the street and when a guy gets older what are you supposed to do you're getting old you're not a kid anymore so you know this is again these are dumb comments from guys ain't from the street dude they have no idea what they're doing i know guys that challenge joey and those stories and i tell everybody you challenge him because you know he's handcuffed if his hands ain't handcuffed you're never going to challenge him if this was a different year he's got heat all over him we get it you might not like him just say you don't like him but don't try to act like you're punking him because he ain't punking the guy he says he ain't a fighter with his hands per se but otherwise he is a tough guy so when guys do talk like that these are guys that aren't schooled in the street at all because they talk nonsense they're always putting up [ __ ] they always gotta listen i talk very highly about enemies of mine and because when i was in that life either they were real guys and real gangsters i'll give them what they were but i ain't going to badmouth them because i don't like them i says if i don't like them i says i'll just say i don't like the guy if he's a punk or this that but if he's a tough guy you got to say the truth the guy's a you know a tough guy in the street you know and i say it a lot about then everybody hears me talking about veto gaza you know we were on the opposite side we started off as friends but the guy is a wild guy so if i started lying and saying oh yang he's a punk he said then i'm full of [ __ ] the guy's really a real guy so i use him as one of the examples and i use a ton of the guys another guy benny gerantano who's a very good friend of mine who's he's in comstock now and he got [ __ ] over real bad by guys and you know guys left them there and they're leaving him there to you know to die and the guy's got about 25 years in and he's a serious guy ain't nobody's going to step in front of him and talk [ __ ] about him in front of no way they're never going to do it but you know i hear guys talking about him too because he's locked in a cage now so you know this is some of the things that i keep talking about the treachery of guys who talk out their ass about serious guys they can say if they don't like them hey i don't like them but don't don't don't talk like he's a punk because he's not far from it yeah and a lot you know a lot of this youtube [ __ ] now you know these you know everybody and their mother is a gangster on youtube now and you know some of the guys are some aren't and they're talking [ __ ] that like you just said about guys that are locked up but these are guys that are going to get out one day yeah well they listen they they line up to attack me and i swear to god they don't people know me i i laugh all day some of the stuff i see is actually funny and i says i'm not going to answer all this nonsense i says because anybody else wouldn't be getting up in the morning putting their pants on they'd go out and put their pants on go to the beach go here go there go with their family go with their girls go go with their friends go with their guy friend whatever but they're not going to do that and anybody that's doing that really can't have much of a life so you got to say yourself you know maybe if you did it once i get it okay guy doesn't like me talk and yeah you go and then end it but when you do it day in and day out something's mentally wrong i mean there's something missing mentally for for guys to do this every day yeah i mean that would that would just be like a sociopath anyway you know like it's crazy it is and and then continuously talking and like see your situation's different like i knew who you were you know i had heard about you through other people and saw you on tv and all that other [ __ ] you know little spits of you know different but when you you know read the whole situation not like the little bits and pieces right that's like when i'm asking stuff i'm asking you part of it because it's what i read and a lot of [ __ ] that you read isn't what it is so i don't want to sound like a complete [ __ ] you know maybe just half of an [ __ ] with you know john elite here but you know when you when you read all of it about you and you read it from beginning to end and there's a ton of [ __ ] no it's not you know but when if if somebody has something to say about you read everything before you make your opinion on you because i learned things i didn't know you know because you all you hear is oh he ratted on jr he ratted on this guy this guy this guy yeah but what what else happened right you know what came to that and i think once you read it the entire thing and you got four books out now right okay so you know you go through them i think anybody that has something to say about you might think a little bit differently maybe well you know you know what i say now because people ask me why do you always defend yourself and i'm like it's not that you defend yourself you just want it listen you want to call me a lion call me a lie at your prerogative you want to say embellish say i'm embellish but when you're saying i'm a liar say specifically what am i lying about at least say specifically so you can answer not me or anybody else can answer say what is it what are they lying about you know so i go through this we just talked about this they talk about the 800 000 i sent to brazil my friend doesn't want to put it all over the internet pay each wire transfer 800 000 your friend huh yeah yeah so he took my 800 grand now you know i own the property that's 15 acres of state with boxing rings and all the philly guys you because you're from over there they were all my property most of those guys they all know my property so you know they know it's a multi-million dollar property or people that know like my nightclub say my nightclub was 31 000 a month in rent i mean trust me if you don't have money you can't pay these things was it that was the tampa nightclub yeah i wanted my tim and i you know several i had mirage i had moets i had american cowboy had stampedes so you don't open these clubs unless you have a couple of bucks yeah so you know but the point is when guys are talking about this stuff you can call me a lot what are you going to call me live every day is that it every day now different guys so listen i really don't care who calls me hawaii to be honest with you unless than my friend who cares so i'm not going to answer every one of these dumb things that they keep continuing to go after me because i never seen i don't waste my time talking about say bobby so and so on on the internet why am i going to watch them if i don't like them why am i going to comment if i don't care for them why am i going to say anything just don't watch it don't watch them but when somebody does this obsessively day and night night and day and you know hiring trolls and coming after me day and night something's really missing in their life because if me if i got all that extra time i want to spend it with my kids i want to spend it with my girl i want to spend it you know going for a drink or going to a ball game or a play or a show who does this day and night you got to say something's really wrong that they keep trying to do this for what what's the end game what's the purpose so we can me and you can end that purpose here right and they'll they'll get on your show and curse and yell and listen okay let's end this say i'm the biggest liar or [ __ ] artist around i ain't a tough guy i ain't never did no killing i haven't but here's what i do do i help kids i do the right thing and what are they going to tell me how you don't because then what am i doing in all these organizations for the rest of what they really think or care i don't care i really don't give a [ __ ] what they got to say that's why i walked away from that life that's why the guys that testified against me i'm friends with now because i really don't care i let it go but when people can't let it go it's because they don't have their own life so they're not going to be watching me you know if they see you excuse me if they see you somewhere and you're doing well what do you mean so jealous for go follow what he's doing try to you know mimic what he's doing and make money but what do you care what he's doing jealousy and envy yeah there's no other reason for it and you know john the guy that's making that comment on your comments i don't even read my [ __ ] you know it's probably some it's either a a 40 year old guy who's watched goodfellas 10 000 times donnie brasco 20 000 times the bronx tale whatever and little [ __ ] white nut huggers with the yellow and blue band on the top right with uh some what's potato chips and a [ __ ] budweiser you know hasn't shaved his balls in a month and you know you know what i mean that's the guy leaving the comments because who the [ __ ] has time to leave those who who has time to do that nobody does because if here's the thing if it's a guy that really don't like me and he's a gangster he's not writing about me he's coming to kill me right why wouldn't he only be an idiot right so he's going to kill me so it's only we know only jericho said do it so my nut hugger theory is probably pretty good pretty right yeah it's pretty clear i'm good on this one right yeah so you know everybody's always worried where i'm at where'd you go into who you talking to you know what do you care what what do you really care what i'm doing this is the thing like what's your obsessed obsession with me you know like if you all right how many times can you call me a liar every day they come up with all these stupid things around a lot like children like like eight years old and they're pictures of me and my underwear pictures with me and i had big things and i just got to laugh at it i do laugh about it i actually laugh at it people think you know the only time i get a little annoyed is when they try to drag my kids my kids ain't getting it stay out stay away from my kids stay away from personal things don't be you know you want to dig in personal people's lives i can do the same because i know a lot a lot a lot and i've always hold myself back about really personal things i know about a lot of guys and their families and i don't do it because i don't want to hurt their families and their kids and this and that but i know a ton of [ __ ] that i don't bring out and everybody asks me why not and i says because i want to be a gentleman i don't want to be that [ __ ] that looks so desperate that you do that so these guys that are doing that with me i'm i just laugh and say there's something wrong with them because every single day if you go on that youtube and i welcome everybody to go on and go look and say what kind of life is this what's their account what are they trying to accomplish here what what is what you know you got to say like all right you called him a liar already you called him you know he's things that he says is not true he's exaggerating or he wasn't this big shooter or he was all right all that say that right say that say it a hundred let's give him a right oh you're right you guys are going to stop writing that now yeah they're not so you got to say why you know what i like that you said and i wish every woman would listen to what you said when they call you a liar what did i lie about right and that just that goes across the board you know friends women that's a good thing well they can't because you know you i know you hear a lot of my stuff and you read about and you've got a lot of friends that know me so when i talk about specific incidents is my name i mean i don't know what else you could say i'm saying their name i'm saying their location saying where it happened so how am i where am i lying yeah what am i saying what am i saying and if you really give a [ __ ] you can write this you could do this thing called the freedom of information exactly right and you can get it in a week all right how about this you know i shot 15 people no you're a liar okay i shot five does it matter is that there's something going on with that whether it's five or fifteen or thirty or forty so when they get into this i wanna know what what do they care if it's one would they care if it's ten what's your point the point is at this point i really don't care i'm not a street guy anymore it's over i'm i'm a businessman and i'm a guy that's trying to help kids and i'm a guy trying to enjoy my life whatever way that is right and so look everybody did bad [ __ ] you know and what i when i look at you i said look i don't i highly doubt and i don't know but i highly doubt that you killed anybody that didn't know the rules knew what they were getting into knew what they were doing it's not like you just walked up and killed somebody because you know they took your cup of coffee yeah you know and whether like you said whether it's one or 40 it what the [ __ ] does it matter well i hear so many stories even in brazil you know brazil yeah go to jail was nothing it was [ __ ] oh you've been you got raped in jail blah blah blah blah okay let's let's laugh about that though all right i got raped in jail all right now what what's your point yeah well they said that about john carnegie i can tell you for a fact yeah no but it doesn't matter here's the point what are they gonna do they're gonna say look johnny said that he got raped in jail we're gonna say that he got raped in jail now listen i can say it for you you know it's these are stupid acts you know i had a situation growing up with a priest and they said it was a lie it wasn't true you know whatever happened with me and my friends something happened i'm not trying to badmouth the catholic church because a lot of those priests did help me also so i'm just a realist you know i talk the way i talk and people don't like it because i just talk straight it doesn't matter to me what they think or believe or if they think he's tough i'm not tough i'm not mike tyson getting paid every day to fight everybody those days are over when i was on the street when guys wanted to challenge me i guess they had plenty of opportunities to do it they didn't do it you want to challenge me now i'm sorry i'm not i'm too busy i said but if you want to challenge me to hurt me then i guess i'll i will see if i'm that different and then we'll see what i do but that's not my life anymore so you know when they're trying to drag you into think that they can get to my ego i learned humility over the years so i learned how to you know conduct myself different like a man not like i used to do because before like i used to do was i'll use words about myself i always use i was an animal i was a killer i was a piece of [ __ ] i was insecure so i hurt guys left and right and people say oh you didn't hurt nobody so for the people say i didn't hurt people okay i didn't good i mean i don't know what to say to these guys you just type your name in and it goes from you you killed 30 you killed 26 you killed six you shot 50 you shot a hundred you know what the [ __ ] number is i mean well you guys are on sandy street guys so let's you're some of your friends we won't use your situation somebody they shoot three or four guys did they go over there with a doctor's kit and say let's see how many died yeah these comments are from like you just said popcorn eaters in front of a tv or jealousy of some sort because it's not a bragging thing it's me saying exactly what i did because i'm telling kids don't do it so when people say you know i don't think the fbi just knocked on my door one day and said okay we're charging you with all the shootings and killings because i didn't do it so they charged me with them for a reason if they didn't i could assume if all these people are saying i didn't do it can you help me assume so i can make a hundred million yeah because i was in jail for a lot of years for [ __ ] that they said i did so and all these guys that ratted on me i guess they're all lying too should i blame them all and tell them oh they're rats or they're lying come on they they gave me up whatever they wanted to be free i understand it i'm not as naive as everybody else if the fbi came to your house and accused you of shooting shootings and killing people and everything else you did otherwise you would be suing them and you sure as [ __ ] wouldn't be sitting across from me you'd have your feet propped up talking to kids and that's about it and i wouldn't have stayed in all those you know camp jails that people saying brazil was what you know yeah yeah because you you know firsthand from guys so now with that whole situation so in uh it was 95 you're with uh charlie carnegie right yeah yes my brother okay and now when do you get the hit to take out junior about the that time they give me guns uh about 95 and again actually when i get out they try to re re assinuate uh recently they tried to get redo you know the hit they're asking me to hit him again so they asked me a couple times but the problem is when they gave me the guns not the problem and they called the hit off you know when they came through or initially through uh charles when they call it off i won't give the guns back so people know like i really don't even care for that part doesn't matter to me what any of these people believe or disbelief it doesn't matter it really is not important to me any of this but the facts of what happened charles is staying with us just i said we did a couple of robberies at the time he said this and that he said his brother wanted it done whether that's true or not when i talked to johnny on the phone maybe he didn't have anything to do it it was just charles i don't know i just know that when i when i get on the phone they go yeah and you're going to take care of that or whatever he said i assumed it was what he told me it was charles told me it was so but did he give me the guns of course he did and guys from my neighborhood know own a tattoo shop i put the guns there and i refused to give him back and i told everybody don't give him back until i'm back in jail i says nobody gives those guns back so we didn't give the guns back and charles was panicking because he said he's going to know we were trying to hit him and i'm like listen it doesn't matter to me this was just what i was asked and told to do and that was my job and this is what i did and you know he can take it personal or not they talk about hitting me too that's the life with all of us and it's part of the treachery and it's you know it went both ways yeah i mean i'm so sick of this with all these dumb people on the street that you know never did anything and they talk like this because they'll say oh he's full of [ __ ] and he'll challenge me but you you guys all know i've done this through names i didn't just say pick up you know yeah this happened over there and nobody knows about it so you know well i mean you're on [ __ ] tv yeah you know all the time i mean they're not just going to put hobo on national tv well you know i mean they do but what i'm saying is you know you did what you did yeah that's i mean this book mafia international actually i bring in four or five different guys to talk about their relationships with me oh cool through the street small business you hear from like a third party about you i purposely did it i brought my bosses i brought them ronnie turch from philly because his father at one time was concierge that's a good move so i had him do something i have other guys like stevie gonz who you know was from the neighborhood gotti was in jail with him actually in in ray brook and he was talking to johnny gonz before he died and he he was talking about this was 2001 i believe he's telling him you know bragging about me in a good way back in 2001 and johnny goes and has a conversation with his brother stevie stevie has a conversation with me stevie's alive if he didn't say it why is stevie going to make up a story so you know i don't bring stevian because he's got nothing to do with me anymore he you know there's no animosity but we got nothing to do with each other why drag a guy in but he's just another name of guys that this is not important to me anymore that's the reason why i don't or i could try to bring him in as an interview or ask you bring him in as an interview see but the point is what am i getting out of it what am i gonna who cares if he said it or not to be honest with you i really don't care what he says but if he was smart he would enjoy his family and he'd stop chasing after me and trying to i don't know what his accomplishment in his ear is because it doesn't matter no matter what i did the guys that ratted ratted and everybody knows that so forget about what i did stop diverting everything you know because it's a game you ever read the book art of war yeah so it's it this is like art of war let's take the narrative away from me and we'll put it somewhere else and we'll keep diverting so everybody looks over here and doesn't look good wow they're doing yeah and and listen they did what they did i know johnny knight didn't rat i know johnny king did 50 years and god bless them because i do speak highly of them but i know these other guys did rat and there's no stop and there's no change in that unfortunately for them if they can't live with the fact that they cooperated that's on them i lived pretty good on what i did i believe what i did was justified and if they think it wasn't okay that's good then you can believe and call me a rat that's good for you and then that's it that's it right i mean what are you going to say you're going to keep saying it every day for how many more years yeah i said you're going to call me alive for how many more years you're going to call me a punk for how many more years you're going to say i got raped in jail for how many more years how many more years how many times you're going to do the same thing you know that's why i said after this i've been talking about this the last month or twice as i stopped with this nonsense and answering to everything because it's just a waste of time it's a waste of time and it doesn't get anything my life is my life their lives or their lives whoever those individuals are go enjoy your life so you know i got a message to kids i say it every day i was just on espn and you know that and then and you know and my message just throws kids to you know every time everybody's throwing rocks at you you got to laugh at them because they really can't have a lie i'm i mean they can have a life it's impossible to behave this way every day you curse me out once all right i got it you don't like me i ain't losing no sleep over i don't even know yes i really don't want to know you so i really don't care so what's your objective i'm really trying to understand what the objective is i think a lot of it is the social media in general even though it's benefited us you know with what you got on me but with all that social media that just took everything from all avenues to a whole other level you know where now every anybody could say whatever they want but but they have an obligation you have kids yeah we all have kids if men don't act like if men are acting like little children and don't imagine what kids are going to do with all the kids they do it now i mean the problem is what they're trying to do is i think you know you have some notoriety of course famous they're trying to say get you to react you react in a way and now they they say well look i got him to react they did they become their celebrity with them themselves that you reacted yeah well almost gotti said in in forbes every time on a holiday he cheers to me because he's free they all laugh i'm happy that he cheers to me all right you're free so what are you hating me for then you're done you're free because of me so actually you send me a christmas present yeah you should be happy that you're free because of me okay if that if that's how he wants to twist it because we're not in a race who ratted first right so you know i cooperated i can't change that if people don't agree why i did it i got a reason why i did he doesn't agree it doesn't matter but he cooperated and he cannot change that by diverting anything for me it's not a race me and him aren't bugs bunny in a road runner or speedy gonzales because i don't know a gangster that's going to stick up from yeah not one not in america not in in italy and not in canada actually i'll say it on your show i'll give them a first class ticket i'll pay for his hotel to go to sicily or canada whatever one he wants because if he goes to either one of those spots he ain't coming back and ain't the united states so here you know so the problem is you're at it has nothing to do with me yeah i'll call myself a rat for you if you stop i rat it all right is that good so but i don't care i really don't care there's the difference i'm albanian i believe in my own laws and rules i believe in what i believe in this life i only have my loyalty to i believe was loyal to me and i'm not playing that brainwashed game of when i was a kid and being loyal to anybody it wasn't loyal to me so the day someone's trying to kill me you're not my friend obviously no more the war's on now for me the war is over now i'm not in that life i don't care what they think i don't care what they do i don't care how much money they make i don't stay with them i don't care how many times they call me a liar i don't know how many times you can keep telling the same thing and they want a reaction you're right the only difference is they're trying to get the old johnny a light's reaction of my ego i don't have that ego anymore i have humility now and i learned that through a lot of therapy and people that are helping me right and now and also by not sitting there like you said and saying yeah you want to call me around yes i did i did do this if you weren't honest how can you then have any weight when you go you know tell a kid that's that's in queens growing up hey look buddy you know you're you're grown up around all these people you know stay away from it you know yeah i ratted you know i've been to prison i was in prison in [ __ ] brazil that is no [ __ ] joke i've been indicted it affected my family you know my kids so on and so forth stay out of it if you're sitting here and saying uh well no i didn't rat or i give a [ __ ] just the fact that you don't care then when you go talk to a kid you're legitimate right because if you gave a [ __ ] then technically if you think about it you would still be your mind is still in that life so then how can you go tell a kid and try to help somebody not make that decision if you're fake on the other end right well i was going involved with domestic violence and angel gotti was all over everything oh he hit his ex-wife haley she calls me a rat hey rad hit his ex-wife and i laugh and i said to her you better read what i said i already said i hit my ex-wife i never said i didn't i said it and i said you shouldn't and i got involved advocating against hitting many women in violence so i didn't say oh i didn't do it i know i said i actually did and then she started saying well he has a second family now this is a girl whose own father called her a rat for calling the police and he said she said he said you're worse than sammy cavanaugh okay so he did that and her ex-husband just passed away and condolences for him and i don't have no hate for some especially passed away you don't want to see that but he had a second family outside of her so you're cursing me out for the same thing your family has you you're making fun of me for the same same exact thing and then you called the police and your old father called your rat i really don't care who you called on your husband or not but stop these childish games when's it going to stop you know you can't be happy to be doing this kind of stuff so what's your end game for her too you didn't have break bread and sit down and talk gangster talk with your father so your ex-husband had a second family i'm sorry you're miserable about it and you're angry i don't blame you i'm sorry i did the same thing but we did it you know i don't say i did it and they didn't do it and i i said no we all did it we all lived a shitty life but at least i'm eating it and and i'm okay with it and honest with it they're trying so hard not to be honest with you can't change the words that came out of your father's mouth he calls you a rat and and when you're dealing with all this on a daily basis it's non-stop yeah and giving your past right you know i'm gonna if you don't want to answer no how many people do you think you really whacked you know here's i i understand in a situation i'm going to tell you exactly like you said it's not like you got a [ __ ] ticker and you're waiting for their heart i know i know for sure yeah we'll make cuz i know people want to say exaggerate for 100 sure yeah i shot over 30 people yeah that's 100 sure and i can name probably most of them sitting here with you like i do on a lot of shows by first and last name not just by a first you remember everyone oh yeah i remember everybody's names so you know it's not like i can't say their names and i've done it and if you you know if you want me to say a couple i'll say a couple i mean it's not like a a big deal for me when people say oh he only killed one and then they say oh he only killed ten and then they called me a serial killer i don't care which one it is can they pick the subject is it i'm not that dangerous or i am there yes yeah did i shoot a lot of people i didn't yeah because i do this all the time and i said well if i didn't shoot mike levigne in the chest right and say yes i did why did he testify against me if i didn't shoot ricky stratton in the head on the interborough parkway why did i get charged with it if i didn't shoot georgie grosso went ahead and kill him why'd i get charged with that murder if i wasn't involved in louis de bono conspiracy to kill him why did i get charged with the conspiracy to kill the bono if i didn't try to hit vito gazzo with johnny borrelli you tried to have vehicles yeah we i we hit him but he lived and he killed my guy so if i'm not why would i say i'm involved in it and why do guys testify and give information i was and more important why does captains like ronnie juan arm truccio say 14 times in his own voice me and john gotti junior are partners in the drug business if we're not why did he say that why did he also say i got to be nice to johnny eli because if i'm not he'll kill me like everybody else i'm just the captain of gambino family but i'm not violent he is so he's a captain john gotti junior's right-hand man mikey scars captain made all kinds of statements against me in 302 that i'm around during all the jury tampering for gotti senior for genie gotti for johnny knight and if i'm not that guy why am i living in jail with genie gotti why is he my cellmate and for those who don't know i'm sorry if i interrupt you those who don't know the feds aren't going to put somebody up on the stand that is full of [ __ ] they they you know they will they make sure they know what they're talking about most times except for a situation and we're going to end it here on this one right we're going to be saying this because people say you're defending no i'm just trying to give them facts john gotti junior's lawyer john mariglio who handles joey molina who knows him very well right great lawyer john he handled other bosses lucasy bosses every major trial is probably one of the best attorneys right now in the states his his statement to forbes magazine was johnny elite was a nut a maniac one of the worst vicious guys on the street and we had to show and we had to get under his skin to show that he's probably one of those dangerous guys in the street i ever encountered and i handled everybody's cases and we had to show how my client john gotti jr who's not violent can't possibly control this guy that was his lawyer who said it not my lawyer so why would his lawyer say that so i'm not trying to say i really don't care if they believe me i don't care if it's the wrong number the right number because i said well you said one time two murders another type four murders another time dozen murders and and here's what i did say to clear that part up so for people again when they originally charged me they charged me with two and you know how this works because you're involved with the system later on i had to discuss in those profits how many words i was involved with and i said there was over 12 or 15 that i was connected to didn't say i was in a shooter in all of them and then i copped out i believed six murders so those are the facts now when guys are writing books like tommy karate's book the butcher in his book he says i killed six guys at the time in the other book gotti's boys it says i'm in johnny knight's house on a videotape in the hamptons when i'm in mob killer it says they they donate a chapter just to me that i was legendary in the neighborhood as being violent now is everybody lying is george anastasia when you write my book so it doesn't matter if they are aren't to me right say the royal lion and and i'll make everybody happy out there i didn't shoot all those people i only shot one i'm not vicious i'm not a killer are we good i'm a liar i'm a rat so is that good enough for them i'm really not sure what angle they want you know because i know when they brought me back into court because they brought me back into court and they said i was a serial killer and i shouldn't be on the street so which which narrative are we going to go with today yeah it's they're all different but if if you actually want to know what the you know the federal government believes you know there's a [ __ ] website that has your indictment there oh well all the indictments and and it says it says six six murders uh a hundred shootings and who the [ __ ] knows out of the hunter who lived and who didn't and a bunch of beatings uh with the baseball bat wish you could get on johnny's site for 200 bucks yeah yeah you got to get quicker shipping than that one yeah yeah i wanted to have it here like to show it off you know because i just thought it was pretty cool you know sign yeah but it's like 30 days to ship the [ __ ] yeah well i don't ship tell the [ __ ] of the ship it's hard enough when i got a sign i got and i got bad handwriting i feel you know yeah paul was thinking the show that's good he didn't believe me yeah i said you know i said john's got a [ __ ] baseball bat i was really gonna buy the [ __ ] i think it's cool you know i wanted to have it it's gonna be on his website um yeah the bat look at that click on that you know i had a guy that actually painted he's really good paint and he painted my face on one of the bats so it was pretty cool really what he did but you know you know what's funny is is i don't know yeah how good there look at that's awesome that's cool [ __ ] it's all you guys talking [ __ ] go buy a bat yeah hit yourself with it yeah well and then you got guys write me oh i'll hit him with a bat and i'm like you know like kids yeah and i want to tell them don't worry that guy that really wants to hit me with the bat he ain't writing like use like idiots he's just going to come hit me with the bat so you know you know what you should do you should offer hey if you want me to sign rat i'll sign right 300 bucks i'll give it to you yeah yeah yeah yeah right whatever you're yeah that's why he says after a while it is exhausting because you know you're sick of doing the same thing all the time because really it takes away from all these guys that are right like that why don't they help some kids yeah it's like one guy wrote about oh you're helping kids but you're selling bats actually a percentage goes to the kids so for that idiot that wrote that that's one thing but what i said to him is how many talks do you do for kids i said you're not teaching any kid anything because you wouldn't be writing like a troll on my pages if you cared about kids so that's the second comment and third why do you watch every one of my shows if you don't like it and you're right on every one of them all day i mean there's a bunch of them that do it so really they're only helping my algorithms would get me more money anyway so thank you thank you thank you yeah maybe i'll donate on the back because they actually made me the extra money i'll send you a bat i'll put rat up or whatever what are you [ __ ] yeah they talk all nonsense yeah well they're just so into it because of the movies yeah and everything else so you know that you know they're so crazy some of the things they say and you know after a while like i said you know i stopped even talking about it because it's it's tiring because i just what everything i just said now they can choose what they want at the end of the show they'll be writing a liar [ __ ] him this that and i i swear i laugh about it yeah you know so i watch a lot of your things and so i'm trying to make this a little different because i swear to god like the 10 of them is it's like would you watch that guy's show and write down what the [ __ ] he asked and then you ask him the same i mean do you ever get sick and tired of just the same yeah it's the same [ __ ] because i understand it's like a business in a way well it is a business right but it's so repetitive yeah it's not like you can't just sit and chill like we're just relaxing you know what comes up comes up because you got to talk you know why you got a good person you talk really you just say it real and and it doesn't have to be a facade of any [ __ ] nobody care you know how many tough guys are out there i want to talk people know i talk pro veterans because a lot of my friends are war heroes and those guys are the toughest guys around [ __ ] yeah so i couldn't kiss their ass as far as being a tough guy i say it these guys are all writing like this why don't you go put on a uniform and fight yeah and if you're such a killer and a tough guy going in the ring get in the ufc and fight fight every day i got guys that are mma guys they're challenging me to fight i laugh at i'm like what's wrong with these guys they that insecure or i want to fight you if i'm nobody what do you want to fight me for you keep saying i'm nobody so what are you paying so much attention to me for i you know i can relate to that right because i i got three golden gloves because i boxed growing up now i'm you know i'm ripped now right you know but i do have three golden gloves and i said it on the show a few times and people would say there's no way he's got golden gloves all you gotta do is look up i said the state pennsylvania new jersey in the last one and new york i got him and i and i looked a lot bigger you know i was 190 yeah with the toughest toughest and strongest and then the quickest fighters guys like like hearns tommy earns skinny guys that are quick and fast they'll knock you all over the ring because they know how to use their their hips and that and their punch the way they throw in their hands guys that don't know how to throw their hands they throw like just shoulders they have no idea they don't know nothing about combinations or move around their footwork but they talk like idiots it doesn't matter say it ain't true just say it ain't what do they care well why are they attacking but yeah and i'm not i'm just five months mscs media trying to have a good time meet cool people and if it makes a lot of money great if it doesn't it doesn't [ __ ] it you know what i mean but what do you care you know what i mean and you know i should do john when i was in my in the final fights i would wait because you know i'm short right short er five foot nine by the way five foot ten and uh you know i would wait the whole time and it you know because they were jabs and you know how it is when you're boxing by yeah and then you wait for that sp you find out where their weak point is right because they're gonna have like right here is my weak spot so when i was boxing i would always guard that because i knew that that's what so when i was fighting a guy i would know if he's going like this yeah that's his weak spot right and he's guarding that for [ __ ] you know four or five rounds [ __ ] but the second he puts that down it don't matter how little i am i hit that [ __ ] that's good because i could take a punch right you know probably why i'm half [ __ ] right you know but i mean that's how i fought you know but that's real [ __ ] yeah but you know that from fighting yeah you know but uh what made you like baseball bats so much just from playing baseball yeah i just was playing baseball and you know i grew up as you know a little kid three years old baseball and then when i had my property here in voree's you know i put an outdoor boxing ring in i had a pavilion i had all type of fighters they were all pro fighters with at my house at that time and then i had baseball cages so people said you know in cages yeah at baseball cages and and again like johnny that stayed with stevie gonz they all knew i had you know the the outdoor boxing rings had a pavilion to work out i had a lake i had a pool i had basketballs i put roads in yeah how cool would that be to go right now so you know when people talk like they talk to you know it's just you know what where did i live my driveway was seven blocks yeah so you know just to get in my in my property so it was in a state yeah so you know obviously i'm making crazy money i'm i'm moving drugs all over the place and then people tell you oh you didn't so somebody wrote the other day uh well he said he made 10 million a day i said just stay i mean here's the problem with all them you know no one said 10 million a day first off i said 10 million a year about a million a month and then one of my workers and 10 million a year really isn't that much no it isn't that much and the drug was if you're a if you're a big mover yeah i mean you know we were just talking about the money you guys are involved with it's not a lot of money and you know and there's a split between a lot of guys yeah well not 10 million you're not it's not like you're pocketing [ __ ] billion you know what i mean so they talking nonsense somebody actually one of the guys that i shot spoke up and said i used to work for him he was making more than that he's lying when he says a million he says he was making more that doesn't matter say i didn't make a million let's make everybody happy again say it was ten thousand say i'm a junkie what do you i mean what are they what's the end i want to know what the end up is never wednesday on rob the only good thing is they're watching so who cares they're watching well they're watching i mean it doesn't bother me i just laugh at it i'm like what the what's wrong with these guys there's noise yeah it's just keep doing it because like you can keep commenting keep the algorithm going keep getting the views you're paying me while you're sitting there like an idiot anybody half decent that interviewed him you know that had you know three four months they're all four hundred thousand and above if they're half decent yeah you know what i mean if they're you know still not they're [ __ ] if they're not so good you know even even [ __ ] that have been going for five six years you get he pulls 30 40 [ __ ] cash i did i did buzzfeed i don't know if you know that he had like four or five with the real nice guys kids that were working on buzzfeed and i did on one of them i think three six and a 3.6 million on one or something like that yeah another one anyway the kids called me up after that they go oh my god do they call in here and attack you and i go i know it's crazy and they were laughing they go does it bother you and i says and we end up joking around on the phone for 45 minutes we were laughing our [ __ ] yeah and saying actually no they go they and they told me because i didn't understand the algorithm they go they they're building up your accuracy like crazy because they talk about you bringing in controversy yeah so i started joking saying i'm the donald trump of the mafia yeah there so now when you go through all this you do this with corneglia and then you get hit right you get indicted are you indicted and then you go on the run well i get indicted first in in four dicks and knight gets pinched with a with an extortion case with kevin with johnny's adopted son and he's bellyaching to me about kevin this is before the big indictment and i'm like are you kidding me i says you you know and i we argued there and there was a couple other guys in our crew that was there skinny dom and this other guy johnny was their main guy and you know they got in between us i said hey you know he's telling me oh i got five years because of that rad across the street kevin wasn't ratting at the time yeah wasn't cooperating and i said to him it's your fault we're gonna know and yeah we're in a low and he says to me he was i was only doing a couple months on another violation well i think the case but i don't remember when it was a couple months and i and he was going on the west side i was on the west he was going on the east and i said what's your fault and then we argued about it and he goes oh is it my fault i go this guy's running all over the place for your day and night and all you're doing is getting high i said what guy in their right [ __ ] mind would do anything for you he's only doing it here because of johnny i said you're treating him like a dog so then later on we get indicted on the big case and uh you know again i mean the there's not a gangster you know so when people talking about being you know gangsters and mobsters no johnny's a gangster and unfortunately he's a junkie and if anybody's stupid enough to straighten them out that's on them so you know that goes back to you know when i talk about you know why the mobs change because you don't have fear and you don't have structure so how you gonna have structure when you got this guy who's just like a crackhead on the street that that you made him and he's a loose cannon because he's doing crazy things i says and then you want to drag kevin down with him because he's penniless he screws up every dollar for johnny when he's in jail this is the truth and unfortunately you know whether you know johnny must not be too happy obviously where i stand today but he knows what the truth is at least he knows what i'm saying he might love his brother but he's got to be shaking his head if you're going to be honest go yeah you're right this is what it is so unfortunately you know i would never think that we were all going to be in this position we all do we die in jail or die in the street and stay loyal to each other but that's a fantasy world because that's not really the world of the treacherous mob and the way i look at things now i'm glad it happened this way because i'm okay with my life and anybody else that's writing like that i guess they're not okay with their life and that's on them yeah and i think that bothers them that i'm okay with my life so they want to try to commit as much or try to attempt to make the most misery in my life they can because they don't have a good life because anybody's got a good life like and again i'm going to use the girl angel because she won't stop she should normal woman at 60 years old whatever she is 60 wants i don't know how old she is would be with their boyfriend or husband traveling somewhere or their girlfriend traveling somewhere and go to the bahamas go here go there who does this day and night like actually sits there all day and calls me a right a rat or an a fib a lawyer yeah every day day and night does she not know that her [ __ ] clock's ticking maybe go enjoy life a little bit crazy but this is the same woman whose father she can't erase what he called her he called other rats and worse than sammy so you know when you're the same woman making fun of me for having another family when your husband had an old family and left you so double standard you know and there's a lot more i know like real personal [ __ ] i don't get into and i don't want to get into and i keep saying the same thing stop doing this man where is it going to end if you want to believe your brother didn't wreck go ahead believe it but you're not convincing the rest of the mafia but it's not a race between me and him you know because they were always trying to he went in before me and all right you want to believe that i say it ain't true you say it is true okay okay who cares like you go this way i go that way right like and the thing is if you see me talking all the guys that testified against me you know that i'm being honest i don't care anymore he's the only one that won't stop this it's really obsessively sick it's really a sickness to use my name to to bring up your own name now because you got nothing else to identify yourself with you got no identity that's how it is john that's how this real world is yeah but it's crazy go enjoy your family go on vacation you know you got a ton of money i don't you know i do all right when i don't get a ton of money like i used to have yeah yeah the legal life isn't you got kids out there go enjoy your kids stay with your kids have fun with your kids and what what is your life so surrounded only in this misery it's the social media is it's this uh you know fabrication of the mafia that you know in the movies and whatever the you know it's just it's the media media movies social media is just what has taken us to a whole other level in my opinion 100 we'll talk about again i'll bring up johnny because we talked about john same thing johnny has a son johnny john john wisco who's nowhere near this life really good kid got involved in wall street making a ton of money good for him okay so there's the here's a perfect example if johnny believed his life was so good he would have pushed us on in his life he didn't he pushed him in another direction and good for him so there's another reason why i'm always crediting him the way he he acts because everything he did around him he really was a man and for you for the guys who say a man's man yeah he was he he carried it the whole way he actually ate that 50. i would have never did that you know i don't lie about it so all those guys oh is he dying like a man and listen you wouldn't do one day you're talking about john god you see him died like a dog in jail he says you want you just talk like that too if you guys were there it's easy for that poor guy to lose his life and they're like that's so who's these these dummies bullshitting and they're watching tv and they're playing a video game like they're gangsters that's what it is you know what it is they don't have they don't know the life did you like singing or did you like john yeah i did you did i did you're fine with him i'd listen he was before he was a gangster he was a fun guy he's intimidated anybody and now i'm gonna tell you something and he and i said this last time the only guy i never seen him intimidate really was johnny connect angela jerry would fight with him a little bit more but even him he bullied around and angel was tough guy but the only one i never seen him get away with really bullying because johnny knew how to play him a little bit and he needed johnny in a lot of ways so he didn't get away with it with johnny so i was shocked that johnny did that 50. but any other guy that was around he bullied all of them but as a as a fun guy yeah he was a fun guy and he was cranky sometimes but you got to remember who wouldn't be he had the whole world on his back for jail for money for what he did by killing paul castellano and having that hit done so you know all that and you know people say well yeah i heard you say something bad come on man we all say [ __ ] that is bad sometimes but overall you know everybody knows i love the guy the guy was great we all looked up to him as kids that's who we wanted to be do you think he he ruined the mafia i mean listen he had a lot of bad ways you know being out there and i mean did he ruin him off he didn't ruin i mean he helped it along i mean you know it's the best way to be honest he was just too out there but that was right when giuliani came in and well and he started enforcing the rico right the rico killed them all that's what that's what killed them and then you had all the bosses cooperating across the country right you know that nobody seems to want to talk about because every boss from you know i talk about whitey bulger you know frank salemme in boston i don't know if you know it as he cooperate so you got these guys whether junior likes him not the whole world knows he cooperated so you got the aldiarco cooper lucasy family and his gas pipe and you know you had too many guys they're all ralph natali and philly and leonetti so what every mob boss so why are they bullshitting about there's a stand-up mafia when we know it's not you they're not even killing anymore because they can't because the guys taking the orders don't trust the bosses because somebody gave it up and the guys that are the bosses are scared to give an order because they know it's the same thing they're going to get pinched with the murder so that's being realistic so young kids understand please don't follow this life because of these things i'm telling you it's not it's over this ain't 70s 60s 80s or even the 90s it's a different era so you're gonna get caught yeah you're gonna get caught and if and if god again wanted to be a gangster so bad and he's trying to say he didn't rat then i'm gonna make this very simple when the guys were beating up his sister he should have killed him when his dad was got beat up in jail and there's nothing to be ashamed the father was old guy the guy was a young guy the guy came back to philly if you don't know johnson lives in philly should have killed him and and i'm not advocating killing sammy gavano no way and i keep saying this but if you don't you believe sammy put your father in and made him die in there and choked to death you should have killed him so you didn't do any of these things so you're not a gangster because if you're a gangster you would have killed them and you would have took care of all your business so stop pushing this agenda you know because you since you didn't want to do it why are you trying to talk to some other kid into doing it so you know stop it and maybe this is why they they hate me because i talk honest but when someone touched my sister i shot the [ __ ] out of him and when someone robbed my other sister i batted him and he testified forgot him and i almost killed him so at least i did what i said but i'm against the life and i'm very vocal and against life because i don't want to see kids ruin their lives like we did and he ruined his life so it's okay to say i ruined my life and it's okay to say my father [ __ ] suffering in jail and it's okay to say my father cried inside jail because he was frustrated that's not a weakness yeah you know they put they put him in a supermax oh my god listen he died suffering so when these idiots are typing away oh he died like a man's man he went last five minutes in his solitary confinement to the father had to be they don't give him any medical care probably they you know i mean and this is the point though so who's pushing the agenda to be like this yeah i would never want my kids like this i just because you know i get mad if my kids fight i don't i get so mad at other guys for teaching their kids to talk like them or act like them and [ __ ] them i know how many i know how many made guys now they never even had handcuffs on them they never even got locked up so what are you pushing you never got locked up you never used the gun you didn't kill nobody and do anything what are you teaching kids to do this for now in your day to get made did you you had a kill to get made yeah for the most part when guys say you didn't have to do it you got to be part of the team maybe you're in on the head you're in on it somewhat i mean you could be home sleeping but you you're in on a hit so you know just some of the stuff that i was involved in hits that i really hardly had anything to do it and i got charged with it you know it's a conspiracy to commit murder on some of them that's just part of the way it works right now the ones you're right on the scene you know so you know it just depends but you know you know listen uh it's a different world yeah and the mob world is with all the technology you ain't getting away with anything so i say it on my show all the time you know crime don't pay unless you pay with your life and if you want to hurt somebody you might as well shoot yourself after you heard them because you're not getting away with it what happened just putting your hands up right yeah they're gonna do that yeah i know i got guys now that want to fight me at 20 25 years old yeah 30 years old 35 years old family and [ __ ] you guys wait until i'm walking listen i had six operations i got to watch they'll call me why i had four operations you know what did you just get done when you came in you said hot i don't know hot operation i had the thyroid cancer and the hip uh operation and back i wish the best for hopefully yeah i'm all right good i'm fighting through it and i gotta go back in for a couple of days but yeah my mom went through i lost my mom about three months ago yeah that's the [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah sorry to hear that really thank you yeah that's things that's a stinger life short that's that's part of the reason we talk about enjoying it and i hope that you know the kids listen to me i hope that they ignore these guys that do this what they do to me so and that that's so like when i bring up which i'm going through right now so you know you get hit you go on the run because of the indictment and you go to brazil you're there 10 months right no no i mean you're in brazil for 10 months before oh on the street yeah on the street yeah how was it in brazil oh i love it i mean i travel a lot of countries yeah in cuba i was in colombia i was in venezuela what was your favorite spain was pretty good because my partner klaus that was in jail with me in brazil his family was there so i had some help so i had a good time in in spain and they were helping me move around help me get passports help me do some things so that was a good country uh venezuela believe it or not i mean obviously in cuba both but so much poverty but you know you have beaches and girls if you go to the right spot i heard venezuela has some margaritas amazing women that's the beach yeah colombia cartagena santa marta you know so it was in those places and again like you said like these kids watching this you ended up in a brazilian jail and i had a driver who was from brazil like born raised came over here i don't know maybe 10 years ago and when uh the brazil president was running and they tried to whack him out and he had a commercial he was trying to act like trump because trump was big and he was showing me and the commercial to be president in brazil was he was at a desk like this i wish i could find the video but you know he's got the brazilian station because he can't talk a lick in english which was great as a driver i speak pretty good portuguese yeah yeah yeah i can't understand a [ __ ] word which is good because i don't want to be talked to i just want to be dressed yeah i i'm stressed out just don't ask me how my day is but he showed me this [ __ ] rob and the president is running right he's at a desk like this a bottle of [ __ ] tequila or whatever two broads in g-string bikinis like shaking like doing the what's the thing that they do now they're twerking they're twerking while this guy's running for president they almost whacked him out but and then we started talking i said well how is over he goes yo you never want to go to jail over there yeah [ __ ] horrible so tell me how it is how bad is it because he he told me it's like listen yeah hell yeah it is hell it is hell and if you know people you know oh he's lying and the same nonsense but you know what he told you brazilians will tell you and you know the music actually in brazil like crazy music they they they dance to funky funky and samba but funky's like wild yeah so this guy's name was max turn that [ __ ] off yeah yeah [ __ ] and anyway him and i don't but yeah it's listen it's it's it's hell in there it's not like the united states since you listen we tried so many schemes and and we're doing a i'm flying to spain because they're doing a tv series on it actors are playing us we did i don't know i talk about hogan's heroes how it's fun but then it was crazy if you watch the comedy we did so many schemes that we were in there we were on telephones trying to get to a mental hospital you know make it like we're crazy guys we're making like we got raped so we talked about that we talked about everything on phones because we know they were listening we're trying to get sent out because if you go to the hospitals there's only one sometimes two guards max so we were trying to get ourselves there so we had a million schemes i mean i was part of the jail and but it's insane guys are getting killed left and right you know guys will say oh i didn't stab guys you know there's a lot of guys that weren't jealous with me there we're all still in touch we're doing a film about klaus's life story actually so all the guys are in touch they know what happened because we're all friends yeah he said you're basically sleeping on cement you are sleeping you you get fed as minimum as possible if you're lucky enough to get fed rice and beans and big bowls same thing with bugs all over it it rains inside yeah you should on the floor yeah so he said he said because there's no lights really you got one little little thing and it goes out half the time when you're in there my guys said they had the lights are like the screwing ones yes you know like that and that you're on the floor and there'll be feces on the ground nobody comes and cleans it up nothing there's rats all over the place and he did two [ __ ] years two years eight months two years let's because they they drive me quick two years and seven months and a couple of days roughly roughly two years yeah my estimation i said almost three they called me a lawyer i got a watch somewhere around two to three [ __ ] years okay yeah yeah i would think you'd be able to pay them off and get the hell out of there we tried and i sent eight hundred thousand there and the guy got friendly with gotti and he sent my paperwork into the government to try to give me a death sentence and which i couldn't get it was off the table because i was out of the country or brazil doesn't send you back but he took my 800 grand so then people call me a lie that i didn't send the eight hundred thousand that's what i was talking about earlier yeah so i had wire transfers so he's my friend michael he's the one that sent the wire transfers out on the internet everywhere yeah you know we've been friends with kids so you know he sent it out so you know this is the usual of everybody constantly talking when they don't know what they're talking about but you know again who cares what they believe or don't believe it doesn't matter to me yeah my purpose of bringing up is that how what can happen and how terrible that is in [ __ ] brazil well listen they were killing like crazy i mean riots and then by bongo was uh bongo two was another jail i went to and uh that's even worse when i went in there was a flood so the water was i guess a little about knee high let's go a little lower so if i'm not a liar and they have what they have these mosquitoes they're called dengue right you die from dengue it's a poison and there's swarms of them so you can't even you listen you're scratching not crazy that's probably the worst thing that goes on in those channels is that now did you know anybody there that that made it a little bit of an easier way from the street when i get in there's a guy commander of amelo was one of the bigger groups like far group or whatever you want to call them and uh they run a lot of the cities that's the most dangerous group so when i went to bongo two i went to where the commander vanello was because i knew a couple guys so yeah i had hooks from the street inside and you know which helped god for that yeah that helped i mean but it ain't everything it's still a nightmare no it was a nightmare we went in there and you you're battling the you know the diseases you're battling the gods you're battling the military police the corrupt wardens that killed another one and then you got the inmates against inmates and and then you got our own group of guys that survived off each other so and then again you're technically you know you're not from brazil no so that couldn't have helped the situation very much no but we you know there's a lot of us from the uk that stay in touch uh there's a couple of guys from turkey two from italy uh klaus from denmark and we're all still real tight we're all meeting actually we're going to spain next month to film and so we all stay in touch with each other we had a reunion in the uk last year right before this uh crap with the pandemics i don't know how you did two years from now yeah yeah two years and eight months two i'm sorry two tell them roughly two years roughly two years roughly two almost three years rob yeah not me and him good go [ __ ] rob something wait for sunday i'm gonna get some comments from me now leave some comments i don't read them anyway so you can comment all the [ __ ] you want i don't really read them now i thought that brazil didn't extradite i thought they weren't because didn't you get extradited by the feds then they actually came and took me out they just came in and took you took me yeah and they came with a for uh they came they flew in with a gulfstream five i heard there was the fbi director's plane oh they picked he must be not came in with 14 million what do you think he's making here yeah i know i heard the gas only and i don't know about this i heard the gas alone to come there i don't know if it's come there and back it's 250 000. i guess somebody knows about planes right now and they came with 14 military police and then i don't know how many agents and they got me on christmas eve and brought me back i mean the only good thing is that plane was on something else so you know when you're on and i was like well you got to be extra coming out of brazil brazilian president right but they came and just basically kidnapped me on i was still trying to fight to stay i wasn't trying to leave because i had no i had no you know intentions of cooperating so i was fighting and it was costing me you know obviously a couple million and uh my local lawyer in miami i gave him 450 i had a civil lawyer 350. i gave my investigators united states and and brazil i think about 150 each and then i had a brazilian lawyer i gave him about 250 300 and then i had secondary lawyers they got money then i had a higher lawyers for my son's mother for my mother and father and from my sister so i had lawyers for everybody you know how it works everybody's getting so whether they grab you or bring in or not doesn't matter you had to get lawyers from because you know there's too much going on there's money being moved around in people's names and i'm getting threatened that's just off the top of your head yeah i'm sure you don't know you had a bill's goal exactly [ __ ] i i you need to get paper five minute call that's an hour yeah you know [ __ ] about it you know you want copies of everything it's costing you a couple yeah oh you want me to copy it you just gave me foreign paper i flew my two lawyers from from miami down to to brazil he stayed an hour he said i'm not staying he was too scared to stay in the cell and you know to visit not to sell in the jail yeah and i thought he was coming back because it cost me twenty thousand to bring him and then you know whatever it costs for all they're staying and there was another couple of thousand so the next day i'm waiting for him to come back i call up and i go where is he i think well he left i go what i went crazy but we didn't even talk he gave me my indictment yeah i swear he just left here you go your indictment yeah i mean i don't blame him now when you think back because he's you know everybody's getting killed in there yeah but at the time you're like what the [ __ ] i said i'll never come my brazilian lawyer said i hate coming i don't like coming here and i'm like why and he goes are you kidding me he says i'm not going to get kidnapped because i'm coming to see you here i go no you're going to come see me for the money i'm giving you i don't give a bring bodyguards with you coming because he didn't want to come either you know so but i am surprised that brazil just let them walk in and grab you i thought they put up a fight but supposedly i think we lent them the united states in 1998 you could check fact check because i know everybody track checks everything i say i think it was 40 billion dollars i think we gave brazil in 1998. so a couple years later i'm there okay you know so that was like a favor yeah yeah well i guess i'm just part of the [ __ ] yeah whatever yeah you just happen to have uh the luck to get the one who who's paying back part of the 40 million right i mean listen it's crazy but see like you know buchetta was there you know who was cooperating from italy for a couple years prior to me so you know matter of fact he's doing a project right and i'm like seems to be the center of his project now i'm a nobody supposedly so what's all the energy on me why don't you do it on pasado why don't you do it on joe messina why don't you do it on nikki scott nikki didn't cooper leonetti who cooper because that's what he's doing on guy squad do it on all these big time bosses i'm a nobody junkie so what is it on me for uh you know it doesn't make any sense right according to what they say yeah why waste your time on me yeah you know i'm nothing so you know that's why i'm curious why all these guys troll on me if i'm nobody and nothing i mean don't waste your time get to the big dogs i'm not nothing i'm just a low-life junkie that never did anything so you know that's why i say the narrative can't be every which way what do you think of leonetti i didn't know him you know like that no but you know listen i hear a lot of guys hate on him now i mean i know he's well spoken and he's he's kind of humble so i don't know if anything really about him past that he was nikki's nephew and and what he said i i heard him a couple of minutes on the value entertainment yeah and you got you got almost seven million views on that one yeah yeah i got a lot of views on seven million yeah because i kept saying yes i did everybody started you know following that yes i did thing and and i was like all right maybe i'll start saying no i didn't you know maybe they'll leave me alone yeah no i didn't so now you get extradited back yeah as part of you paid back part of the 40 million the government knows you john so you come back and now you go in and you get charged right yeah i went to originally i think faulkenberg it was christmas eve it was snow and falkenberg's a lockdown that's uh they're not equipped like here in philly and with mcc and mdc so it's like a bubble glass cells and there was six of us on that tier that the guards can watch us through a glass it's not it's not a regular cell so you're on that 24 hour surveillance and you know obviously i was all over the media about my case and so it was a big name coming back and everybody's you know the way they are you know you're coming back and you know i'm not cooperating so everybody's you know you're the greatest guy and what were the actual charges on that one it was the murders everything was kind of open and it was very vague uh indictment because there was so many cooperators against me so there was no names and it was you know uh mur it just said murder didn't say how many drug dealing that's why because i i read the indictment and i couldn't figure it out so yeah i said [ __ ] it i'm just going to ask him what happened because i because i can't there were dozens listen at my grand jury they told me 56 people took the stand against me at my grand jury to indict me so plus how many elders who knows jesus christ 56 people and so when people say oh a rat and they write a rat never got caught you know they were all riding on me yeah that's how i got caught i don't have any evidence against me so you know every time i say that people don't want to hear me say that but that's the facts if anybody goes looks at the case and say hi they catch the guy just everybody rat on me so it wasn't that i got caught selling a key to somebody or 10 keys to somebody or at a killing or at a shooting or at our armed robbery nothing no video audio tapes so you know the the story the history of this is everybody gave me up and that's cool i get it and i don't care no more you know at the time yeah i was upset it was mad like everybody else would be but then you know what you know i'm not like god when he's cheering me he doesn't really mean it because he won't have all this hatred still he would really be happy and send me a christmas present and say oh this guy you know because of him he's a shitty witness and because yeah because you testified against junior and they found you uncredible right right well they no he said they were unincredible his lawyers said they believed me but this thought i was too violent from his lawyer said it see you can't read the [ __ ] online yeah right it's like when you try to do the research to figure out who the [ __ ] somebody is yeah that's why i'm asking you you know what i mean like the jerry like if you look at the the conviction rate it was kind of even you know some of them was against them eight to four ten to two and then i think it was you know six six or some [ __ ] like that five five or two no whatever it was but it was even and they put that you know what they always they put the narrative they want but if you look at what his lawyer said he says no one said that they just said he was way too dangerous for him to control me so they couldn't believe that anything he said or they couldn't believe that i could be controlled by him excuse me so like the top 10 pages that come up all say pretty much uh you know john lee testified against junior but the 12 jurors found that he was uncredible discredible because of his past blah blah blah it doesn't say it was like eight four or yeah well well coz the news news wrote and put the jerry pool in and said it's not true yeah and so did gangland and said it wasn't true and the rest of these papers all wrote that he was already cooperating before years early again listen not set he was the headlines of the daily news in new york post that he was a rat that's what it said singing career in one and the other one had a rat of the face of them and as a rat these are headlines 2005. well i'm in a pen in brazil so now it doesn't matter that he was ratting first let's say he wasn't he ratted but he wants to be in competition with me that i ratted before him so we'll appease him and say okay i write it before him okay you still ratted that's why you were in the head of the daily news in new york post and gangland as a rat and your 302s are out there yeah so there's nothing to do with me why do you keep trying to compare yourself with me for i'm okay what i did so you know here's how i'll make him happy i rat it and he ratted we're both rats i mean is that good for him let me know right and you got the 5k one the 35b what's the 302 i forget 302 is when you're debriefing and proffering with the government oh three or two is the bra and then so 35b is when you have evidence after your conviction yes send in and then the 5k one off the rip you're going to remember jeff lichtman was his attorney his attorney jeff lichtman is known to bring in guys to cooperate first that's what brought him into profit first second it's not 30 minutes like he said we're only sat down for 30 minutes it's my mistake to get and you know this also because you're involved in the criminal system to get a meeting with the government that he asked for you need about 45 days maybe even 60. so you got to get your lawyer the prosecutors the fbi the marshals and washington dc to coordinate the meeting between all those groups and then they got to sneak you in the building that nobody sees you coming in because everybody's going to know your profits so they're going to bring you around the back they bring you in the basement this is not like you're just walking through the front door to have a [ __ ] lunch so all these narratives are so fake but again you want to believe that you're not a rat though whatever but what has it got to do with me you know so i don't understand the comparison between me and him well envy jealousy look at you you're you're doing [ __ ] right you're writing books you're you keep pushing now you're doing a podcast now you're talking to kids now you're going and doing a whole nother series you know you're the face of of that fear city show well she isn't too yeah it's pretty good actually yeah you know you're the face of a lot of [ __ ] john right now so but we have different lives so you know do your life do you i'll do me and when you cheer me then i'll say okay you're welcome because you said thanks to me you're free all right welcome so what are you mad at john that's you know that's a fantasy world you know yeah yeah you know but take it hey look but you're getting 400 000 hits so now when you go on somebody's show you say look i want this and i want residuals [ __ ] get the residuals yeah yeah yeah i'm pushing twitter yeah well look you're on tv right now one truth is there's so many youtubes against me they are making me more popular yeah it's helping yeah it is helping yeah that's one thing so if you have you know thick skin and it doesn't body which it doesn't bother me everybody knows that doesn't bother me at all i just think you're a man yeah and there's not many left yeah so especially this day and age so you do that uh and then how much time now you testified against carnegie as well i know charles charles yeah and then you did a little bit of time you got out i did on on this whole case in brazil and yeah i did a little over ten years totally yeah and i i bet and before that i did you know i went through the timelines i did before i did time in 91 i said 90 the other day but it's actually 91 i got out then i'd time again in 92 i got out court cases in 94 and 95 went into 96 cut out the end of 99 caught another case went back in at 2000 and got out was on house arrest 2001 got out went on 2002 for a violation got out went on the run in 2003 got caught in 2004 stayed in jail till about 2013. and then that was it and then in five years parole and i got violated one time in that parole because they were writing against me right and then one of the violations was a gun right you had a gun oh that was earlier it was another violation yeah see they got all over the place where you try to figure it out so you can't i did a lot of times so when they say i didn't do a lot of time that's you know but you know what though when you read it did you ever read about yourself no i really don't read everybody thinks that you know they asked me did you watch this do you read the you know i won't read it either for you but when you read it it looks like you went in in 2011 got out in 2012 violated bubba uh rob he and i are talking go to uh put john a lead in and then go to the wikipedia page and you read that among others this is just the one and it looks like you did it like you got hit with the 10 piece you did six months and got wow and i'm like i don't care who we ratted on well how about this they said i was an informant in there somewhere yeah i was never into before so rob read this so so giant can hear this john edward elite also known as johnny alito alito i'm not trying to aletto is an american former gambino crime family associate who later became a government witness agreeing to testify against the crime family and john junior gotti in 2008. that year elite pleaded guilty to racketeering charges including two murders and a variety of other crimes and in 2011 was sentenced to a total of 10 years in prison due to his cooperation prosecutors released on a five-year supervised release in 2000 see now right there right there stop right there see now that makes it look like you went in in 2011 got 10 years and then boom you're out in 2012. yeah keep going elite has estimated that he shot between 30 to 40 people beat about 100 people with a baseball bat and killed six people 200 bucks for a baseball bat for sale now hey yes later in life elite public announced the life organized crime and became a motivational speaker and writer and that's just you know part of it but you see you see how you read just that yeah and it makes it look like okay you went in 11 you you talked boom you got out in 12 which i mean [ __ ] it would take it would take you from 11 to 12 to get anywhere anyway you know what i mean i think uh after reading that i'd rather be shot than hit with the baseball bat that's just i'm just saying just after yeah i'd rather be with the baseball but i don't know it would it would depend on what type of bullet if it's a hollow point if he now i'll take the baseball if he played baseball i bet he's got a good swing so i don't know yeah i used to have a good swing if he got a [ __ ] scholarship well correct i mean yeah no you you don't want to get it hit with a baseball bat by john elite right you're over that though that's that's dumb no i really i i swear i don't really have much of a temper you know people say oh yeah you wrote this just come on nobody's perfect you do say once in a while you might say something stupid or write something stupid but i don't react anymore and you know and i'm just looking to enjoy my life so like you know when i look at some of this stuff you go to the on the the multicam goes to six because look at this guy's line in that chest no to the yeah to the screen screen look at that chest man you got that line and you said that's push-ups push-ups all day when they called me now i used to go to a gym i tore mariano's gym he was a my thai champ four-time champ and i used to live in his gym every i mean we were there day and night my ex-wife i think thought you were hot as hell yeah she she we were watching something about something and she shot and she was because i had spiky hair too when i was a little bit bigger she goes he's hot well you're hotter tommy and i i remember i put that there because i i mean i'm talking 10 years ago i saw i said what the [ __ ] is he doing to get that line get out of me i'm skinny i'm only 165 pounds i used to run every day about seven miles a day on the beach because i used to run on the beach sand to pitch the and then do a lot of pull-ups on the bee as a [ __ ] and then i'd be in the gym all day and they would teach me a little bit people say oh i use a uh jiu-jitsu fight i suck they taught me for a year so i know a little technique and that's about it you know people say oh no i heard he was good you know he's really good jiu-jitsu well you got that line from push-ups push-ups i pushed him in the pull-ups you know you were worth it just to get that answer yeah 10 years ago i'm looking at and i mean i got a little bit of a line i mean you got the biceps too what were you doing for biceps i didn't do i was kind of weak with biceps actually but you got the ball because i used to do a lot of dips and i do close push-ups and then i do the uh the pull-ups this way i do the pull-ups this way our reverse yeah yeah yeah look at him rob yeah beast that's the picture you must have got a lot of [ __ ] boy yeah michael dowd you and michael dowd together [Laughter] send that picture to all your haters on there yeah send this to your wife yeah see look hey hey all you guys talking [ __ ] look how i look in an orange jumpsuit yeah i bet you a lot better than your man no homo yeah yeah he's talking about our parties we had some good sex parties oh i bet you did so then you go through all that you're done with the [ __ ] in 13. everybody knows what you did you know it's the same [ __ ] over and over again and then what makes you decide okay i'm going to start i'm going to write a book about this like what when did the book idea pop you know i thought about it a couple times and i didn't like you know especially with my kids that the narrative was that i just like i don't like we'll use it very simple like i robbed the bank got caught and i started telling on people so if you're a rat like they tried now they're trying to say oh i was a cooperate if you're a cooperative there's no reason to run there's no reason to stay in a brazilian jail and spend millions of dollars there's no reason to fight staying there if you're cooperating you just come back so you know when that narrative is being played out i'm like hey so anyway i wanted the truth to go out about what happened in my life because so much [ __ ] was being yeah yeah it was sad at that time i wasn't you know thinking the way i think today like you know now i think like who gives a [ __ ] you know back then you know it was a work in progress you're used to just always fighting back um you know so so the first book you wrote how long so like the the jail and then when did you get off from probation uh 2018 18. okay and but one what year was the first book that you written with george anastasia from philly okay he's good but george you know and george knew me because of i was locked up here a couple of times because i had the house and voice for years so i knew all the philly guys you know i would hang out with johnny ganz i'd hang out with ronnie turch i went out with joey a couple times with ronnie turch i went out with roger vela back then i'm trying to think nikki whip you know there was a lot of guys i knew down here yeah so you know i'd be out and you know hang out with marty's brother uh michael and and different guys so i was always here i was always in new york i was always in florida i had different crews of guys because i lived in that's right different houses you had a crew in tampa yeah how many were in your crew i had a lot of guys i mean because of the drug business so i was you know i had guys all over the place so i said between all of us i mean people say how many in your crew i guess close guys 20 25 guys and then they had guys so it was probably 300 of us you know all together yeah because you know how it goes one guy has six friends themselves and they got friends and so they didn't i didn't really see too many of them well if i see him one went out hey how are you doing once in a while you'd have 30 guys with it wasn't you know always but we had a lot of guys yeah and for those that don't know like when when we say crew like how many people work under you like if you're working at uh the gas station how many peop you you own the gas station how many people go to work yeah i mean especially when you're in the drug business you got a lot of guys yeah you know and i went to jail and you know when i did a lot of time in ferritin with philly guys yeah and then i went to you know mccain and i and then i went to allen there's a lot of philly guys with me and then i went to the halfway house on broad street i was in the in the halfway roger villa and church before he gets killed yeah it was downtown oh okay yeah because i had the house in voice yeah so i didn't do a halfway house in new york i did it here yeah you did it yeah okay yeah okay that makes sense yeah yeah up north yeah did you write the first book and now it's to set the record straight said the registration george you know obviously what i was saying was prior to me ever meeting him he did stories on me about my involvement down here in philly and some of the things i was accused of down here and so he knew me and they did a special on me on that show he does on fox yeah back then so he has his like little 30 minute segment yeah in a segment once a week so he did it years ago on me and then you know we talked and we met and then he he wanted to do the book and so you know and then he obviously got attacked because he did the book with me and you know again listen it's you know it's nonsense that you know sometimes at some point it's got to stop i mean this is like almost 10 years later yeah how long you're going to keep doing this yeah it's just really crazy it's obsessive like to under to a different level you know when you you know people changing paperwork and changing different things it's crazy i got photoshop now oh they they do everything they did it all right that's all it's all been done poor by john's website yeah so we can see all the books you have four total books right you have uh gotti's gotti's rules darkest hour prison rules and then your newest one mafia international mafia international this one yeah okay so that's that's your new one and you said this one here is about you know like a third party well there's about four that it'll talk about terrorism the terrorists that were in jail with me that i went after uh it'll talk about klaus in denmark one of the biggest european drug dealers that they're doing a a show based on his life and you know i'm co-involved in it um then there's uh uh anthony ruggiano whose father was in fat andy ruggiano who's the boss he talks about his father himself and myself in relationship then it was turkey who talks about his father and my relationship with his dad and my relationship with him and then there's a black guy that's a good friend of mine tt from brooklyn east new york that was in the drug business and a good friend of mine forever still is a good friend of mine his perspective and uh there's a couple other guys i forget off in so it's a couple of them and then i get into stories about joey scopo the uh one of the acting bosses columbo family he gets killed i talk about that and some jail stuff and uh so this one isn't just so much just john elite john lee john late this is like other things that happened right and not too much gotti at all in this yeah it's you know i might mention something here it mentions the story where genie gotti was in prison with me his uncle and uh you know so we sell made it at one time and that didn't that didn't go well and uh you know so yeah well you know you're not going to get along with guys that have egos it's just ain't gonna happen and uh you know you know it's just a different world like i said whether we like it or not uh history is the history and and it's it's eventually after 10 years of this when's it going to stop so i said a lot today right you know things i never said before i actually just alleviate everything okay i'm a rat still doesn't change his position so i don't have a problem i don't use the word rat for myself i believe i defended myself against guys that were cooperating against me and i think i'd be an [ __ ] not so that's really the fact of how i believe it but anybody can take it any way they want i really don't care everybody's got their own opinion yeah they can have it i really don't care i'm not losing any sleep over it go back up to uh all his books so prison rules no no prison rules nick christopher wrote this and those are the the headlines of gotti while i'm in the brazil penitentiary so right now how are you spinning this yeah you know i didn't write those articles you know gang landed and all the new york papers you know i didn't meet the government you did so why are you spinning it and and it's okay that you did so what but you you're trying to put it on me but let's make them happy and say okay i was ratting before you you're right i was informed in whatever word you want to say all right so let's put me on the side we established johnny it's a rat you're right it doesn't change the fact that you're a rat so i don't know what your point is that i beat you down i mean yeah all right i'm the winner wow wow okay i won yeah i thought that's right so i don't i don't get it that's what i'm trying to understand you know as far as the mobs concerned right whether we like it or not they don't want nothing to do with me and they don't want nothing to do with him the difference is i i'm good with it he's not so i'm good with that i don't care what they want i don't need any of those guys to be my friends is there guys that talk to me in that life a hundred percent i'm not gonna lie either and you know they agree with it or whatever don't agree they do it on the snake so what but i don't do business with him i got nothing to do with the street anymore i don't know what his hang up is because he's not sure if he wants to be a gangster still or whatever but he can't be he he's known as a rat if he can get just one person to stick up from let's let's ask johnny knight well let's ask his uncle genie gotti is he a rat yes or no and if they say he ain't then i'll never talk about it again but i don't know what he's trying to prove because me and him aren't in competition whatever he did he did has nothing to do with me you know and whatever i did has nothing to do with him but since he says he cheers me on christmas then stop being mean and send me a christmas present yeah and they should thank me and send me one too because yeah cause you said it yeah on my show and he's got a lot more money than me so be happy with that you're free you're free right [ __ ] it let it go and what's the next one uh gotti's rules so now talk about this this is with uh george right this is george it just basically talked about all the violence when we were involved new york times best seller congratulations thank you that's huge yeah and then there's uh some of the the places that you were on how'd you like vlad uh with the ipad does he have an ipad yeah you know actually you know what he's doing great good for him um good for him i mean yeah he listen whether we like him or not he's successful he's [ __ ] killing him so i'm not going to hate on the guy you know whatever you know he's killing hate let him be successful good for him and you know i hope i do what he's doing one day if i if i could if i could make it work with an ipad i'd do it too yeah and he got it so you know i know it's an ipad that he's got there but good for him yeah he's a smart guy yeah i think that played the cards right now and here's your uh your youtube channel right yep and you didn't start this too long ago why didn't you start this about a year ago i was probably one of the first guys i think i was the first small podcast like before francine was everybody yeah he used to do something now he did interviews uh uh why i think mike's got his own hours talking about like kobo review movies and all that stuff yeah you got some good [ __ ] in there yeah i did the insert of uh uh scarpa's linda scarpa's book for about greg and you know i i did the writing and that and i did yeah i did a lot of stuff and that uh youtube channel will be in the description do you like doing the podcast yeah i like it i mean you know i like the positive stuff honestly i don't like the negative stuff and i'm and i really don't want to talk about it i keep saying i just want to just forget it because it's nothing there the positive stuff with the kids and and getting all the kids to to listen to somebody's stories because none of them men good if they listen what i just said all the boss is all right what do you think is going to happen to you yeah when they're making guys in their underwear and you know because they don't trust that wearing wire and then guys that are in the room are wearing a wire and you know this what are you what are you inducting it now think back in your time can you imagine a guy going in there in his underwear because they're worried that he's got a wiring to even going to even be accepted into that position for that to be a possibility right like why would you accept him if you can't trust him so like who would what i can't understand is who the [ __ ] would vouch for somebody that you got to strip down to nut huggers to possibly get made yeah yeah i mean am i missing something or no i mean i agree how do you how do you get but here's the thing forget about those guys how about when you got a guy joe messina who's the boss they gave up all the ceremonies was wearing a wire so who's caught in these kids what the [ __ ] you know yeah and the old timers that are involved in the life i get it too like i'm not a jehovah witness i always say this i'm not trying to convince them out of their life you know they're in their life their whole life this is they're stuck this way but if you're a young guy and you really gonna even think about stepping in this you're crazy there's nothing there anymore you're out of your [ __ ] mind yeah you got it yeah you're ready you're gonna die you're gonna go to jail and if you go to jail for life you're dead anyway yes kind of you're gonna be under constant stress stress it's not working [ __ ] kill yourself one way or another you're gonna die yeah so it's not worth it so i don't understand what what again it comes back to just the at least in our lives in our lifetime back then was you know and i'm older than you but there was no surveillance like today there was no sentences like today there was a ton of cash out there not like today so i don't know what they're looking at you know i i think it's just uh what's that word like you know like the uh like with the the stigma or like the coolness like this is cool well that's why i keep saying about john gotti i hate these [ __ ] idiot kids or men not even kids he died like a man he was a man's men you're in your [ __ ] bedroom eating pizza and drinking [ __ ] soda and a beer and you're talking about this poor bastard that died like a dog and you're acting you're acting like after one day forget they won't last more than they'll be banging on the door and saying i'm sorry i'll never talk like this again yeah so you know what are they talking about when they're talking about that poor guy had never lived a good life he died young too you didn't die an old guy in all the trials i mean imagine the stress that i mean yeah you know he walked around and was flashy but you know you know when that trial [ __ ] isn't fun even even though he beat it and you know he got it he had his connects to do whatever still i mean [ __ ] that process is a [ __ ] here's what i and no one else has nobody says this but i do how many times you say no cells and cry your eyes out how many times you're on the telephone crying to your family you know how many times gank says killers that i know and ton of them big tough killers were crying their eyes out begging crying like babies cold blooded killers yeah cold water i've seen it all and i did it all too and you know people go you cry yeah you're gonna cry you stupid bastard because you're not in that position when you're in that position you're emotional you're frustrated you're missing your family you think you're done everybody's going against you losing everything it's life is over if someone when they fake it and they don't tell the truth to all this and my job now is to tell the truth to kids about this stuff because hopefully i'll reach them and then they don't have to do that they don't have to cry they don't have to suffer they don't have to be pat knee in out of boston right pat knew he was a gangster nice guy out of boston he he was in jail when his son got killed do you know the crying the misery and these guys don't get this stuff there was another guy didn't like scott scott the cop he was involved in burns they killed the cop in new york and at first i was friendly with him and then i didn't like him and we almost got a couple fights but as a human being i felt terrible for him because his son got killed when he was in jail i mean these are the things that nobody wants to talk about that is reality of that life and they want to say oh he's a tough guy you hear him crying and and i played tape of a couple of guys crying purposely because they were making fun of guys like me or different guys and i'm saying you you think that you're the same guy who was just knocking me from pillow to post that's you crying ain't nothing wrong with it but stop acting like you're a tough guy like you didn't cry because you always got a heart we all do yeah you you know if you don't think it that john god he's saying that selling cried at times then you know listen he was a human being he had a heart somewhere you know because i seen some of the good sides of him so you know what people think like you know they're just bullshitting themselves because people beg out of sadness out of depression out of things happening to their family and i think more of people talking more like this is so much better than digging at each other on stupid youtube's back and forth every day yeah like i mean i i know you killed a lot of people or shot them or whatever so i didn't want to like harp on that too much because again every interview you go on it's just how many people did you [ __ ] kill how'd you kill him what kind of gun did he [ __ ] use john right like you [ __ ] first off like you remember probably and okay that's already been said so you know i i mean i hit it because people were here you know but not like just harp and harping on the same [ __ ] [ __ ] over and over again you know and uh with that crying [ __ ] you know joe his father died yeah and when he was in and they wouldn't even let him go to the funeral yeah you know even with you know armed guard for five minutes my friend eddie hannon my friend eddie hand him was grew up when he lived on my corner he was a bankroll my friend since were five years old i told stories about when he wanted to fight me when we were kids it was funny i didn't want to fight him i was scared to fight him and my father made me go down but i'm going to tell you something we were in jails together funny guy not a tough guy as we got older but his mother he did all the years he was getting out in two weeks his mother was in the hospital he begged can i see my mother they wouldn't let him go see she died he came home two days later and he drank himself to death he died and nobody sees this part he i was in his cell while he was banging his head on the wall he was crying crazy and he just did 20 something years and he did good time he wasn't one of those guys he he did time he played around all day really did good time and then that broke him and when people say you know people don't want to hear this part oh no he's a [ __ ] whatever they're gonna say and they talk stupid because he doesn't get his mother back his mother's name was rosie by the way and i that's how you know i know him well and and i felt so bad for him when he was crying like that you're crying yourself because you're watching him cry and you know people when people don't want to be real and tell these stories how you're broken how you break down how you're depressed how there's so many guys that louis torrey down here you know that name from philly he hung himself you know well you craig the palmer in his house he hung himself or scott who's scarf scoffers kid hung himself yeah [ __ ] kids kid so these are the things that nobody wants to talk about but i like to talk about them because i want people to say hey this world ain't worth it you know and all the people suffer nikki's wife suffered his other son suffered well doesn't matter who likes him but doesn't like him and i talk about the goddess whether they hate me or not i know they're suffering stop man stop this [ __ ] and i've already offered my hand a hundred times be a man and go help me talk to kids and i don't know how many times you can keep saying the same thing no because somehow he's in this competition of who's who went first and ratted so i give them the winning today you won because now let's go [ __ ] kids yeah but you can't change the facts in your life i'm sorry i couldn't imagine you know when my mom died like everybody thought i got in trouble or something happened i just you know i fought it off even rob was kind of like you know he was checking up to make sure but you know i kind of like ducked and dodged it for like a month just trying to ignore it and then um when the mail started to get forwarded to my house and then every day i see the [ __ ] name the [ __ ] name the [ __ ] name and it just it cooked me four weeks i just sat on the couch i didn't give a [ __ ] about money i didn't give a [ __ ] about work i didn't give a [ __ ] about the phone nothing it buries you yeah i don't care i don't care if it's john elite who's killed a million people this guy who's killed a million million people or this little peanut over here we all got hearts and it's tough and i can't imagine dealing with that in there i think you know when people think i was so violent right and and they think but they don't know why you're so violent because really you don't really give a [ __ ] for your life you don't care if you die yeah that's why i was an extreme other guys i knew they were faking it i never understood how i they were faking but i couldn't once i stayed when i'm a little little i knew who was really faking it i was way ahead of everybody until i started going to therapy more i started understanding i was ahead of them because i really wasn't faking it i didn't care if i got killed when i went through that door now i do back then i didn't because you didn't love yourself no i didn't love myself man i just wanted bad [ __ ] to happen to me yeah i didn't know that's what i wanted but yeah i didn't give a [ __ ] about my own life and over the last couple years i started caring more about my life but before that i really didn't care even when i came home i didn't really care about my life i was miserable i was miserable because i couldn't relate to everything that was going on in my life and i you know you want to harm yourself although i wouldn't kill myself in other ways i wanted to harm myself but you're a strong individual and other people aren't and then they come home and kill themselves yeah you know and my friend brian killed him so i got a lot of guys i didn't go through all the names they will kill themselves i mean you know because you've got terrible struggles and this is the part that i want to keep talking to kids about you know i had therapists on my show we did some talks with them i had other people on my show different attorneys so i did have people to discuss this because these are the things i really want to push my podcast more to yeah why why is therapy such a [ __ ] why does that look down so upon in uh la cosa nostra because the mafia is in italy this isn't the mob no you know um but why why i guess because they're afraid that you're going to tell them they're not going to talk about that it's about your own inner self it ain't about what your crimes you don't even have to talk about those it's ego stuff it shows like this [ __ ] thing about you too weak so that you need therapists and that's in the reality is that you you become stronger with therapy not weaker i've been going to therapy for six years every single tuesday dr agressi and he's one of those doctors around like uh hey john is the sun bright today you know uh when you drink that coffee how does that make you feel you know you go in and he talks to you just like a man you know what do you think about this [ __ ] [ __ ] that's going on now and like eases your way into it and i think what some people don't understand about therapy when you find a good one it might just be that one sentence you know you're there for an hour and and if you have a good one it's not just harping on you you know they talk about other [ __ ] what's going on the news you're youtube and then they quick sneak some [ __ ] in because they know you're hard-headed yeah yeah and what i found for me personally was it could just be that one sentence or one line that would stick and then that would change a lot of things in my life you know what i mean and i think that anybody that's been through anything should oh i even 100 percent i always i always push it yeah and i've seen like i said i've seen so many guys suffer it's just the stream ain't gonna bring no happiness yep and you know now's the time for you to be doing this because you're hot on that show everybody's waiting for the next one to come out yeah you know and uh you know you're doing a great thing and you're going on tour right you want to be doing that yeah that should be a good time yeah i'll be on tour for the next i believe in three weeks i'll be gone probably about two months two months so doing a lot of filming good you think movie yeah i mean i got the tv series that's the guys are playing us in it so we're uh you know we're just uh consulting on it then we got another one that we you know we're actually in it it's reenactments and then i got one coming out in september that's already done on brazil the prison and when i when i took off on the run where's hacking i think that's uh disney plus and not geo you know disney picked up a lot of this genre which i'm shocked yeah that's why i was like wow yeah yeah so um that's good let's go through his uh social media and anything you know you want to promote other than you know the books uh the patreon on my website john elite.com and yeah there's your uh instagram that's my true songs yeah yep my son matt and johnny they don't uh they stay away from this life thank god and i don't want them in this life or near this life so yeah jacked matt was mad in the blue yeah that's the one i saw yeah yeah matt's jacked up rob he was on a there was a thing on him and it was i i think it was you were a little bit heavier i think you had just gotten out and he's pushing uh matt to do push-ups and he's got to be they both they both have wife beaters on and that kid like he's broad like him but when you see that kid in a beater a wife beater he is ripped as a [ __ ] yeah and like like you could see everything the veins and you could tell it's not like all [ __ ] up [ __ ] you know like you takers no you can tell it's hard work because everybody thinks you take steroids and you're going to get lean you take steroids you're going to get you know i mean you could take [ __ ] anavar but you still and then your facebook facebook page this will all be in the description uh website twitter um get that right there i'm i'm gonna get the vip because i want to see the videos just because i think they're interesting you know what i mean so instead of watching [ __ ] goodfellas 100 million times that you've seen 100 million times you've run into henry hill no actually he called he was involved this is years ago he called a guy that was talking to me about doing uh another project daniel simone he wrote the book latanza and he wanted me to get involved because he knew i stayed with the berks so i went out to the hamptons and met with him and a couple other guys and so one of the guys that was involved in that one of the last guys is still another guy involved and so we've been talking about that project yeah he was doing what was he doing marinara sauce yeah i saw one howard yeah i got to ask you one more question let did you ever run into lefty rogerio no no i'm sorry i like donnie brasco yeah because to me tell me if i'm wrong you're the big you know you're the guy right is donnie browska not the probably the closest movie that there is out there to what really goes on yeah well you know why because he was listen he played them to a really depicted the truth because lefty was so broke and and most of the mob guys are like that they're broke so you can get in with them just what he did you know he came in and it was just like jack garcia did the same thing with craig the palmer default they come in with a couple bucks and these guys are so desperate for a couple bucks they let anybody in and these guys really showed the truth of you know of what goes on with the mob that these guys a lot of these guys aren't the brightest guys in the world people think they were all shopping and making all kinds of money and that's the furthest thing from the truth so you know i i agree with you they were good movies i i but i'm i just think that one depicts it well it does like good fellows is fun and funny and [ __ ] and whatever else bronx sales are great movies yeah yeah chaz paul material i'm looking to go on his show actually aria yeah yeah man sunny yeah yeah i got a great actor i got lilo coming in oh do you yeah he's coming in late september personal thing you know i used to always watch it growing up see see you know i heard somebody was trying to get him to come on my show i forget who because i never talked to him and uh he said no he doesn't want to come on my show cause i rat it yeah i don't know if that's true but if it is you can ask for money yeah yeah you're gonna ask them yeah i ain't got no qualms either because i'm gonna tell you what if you really change your life then you change your life if you didn't change your life and you're gonna think like that then you didn't change your life there is no middle ground so you know if if and you know he's not a killer he's just a kid that was involved in a bad shooting of a police officer so you know he's lucky he didn't get because he could have got life what did he do yeah i think like 10 years yeah it was time you know you had a bad drug probably [ __ ] up his life and you know listen i hope for his sake he's doing the right thing and and i don't hold no animosity to him either but you know i don't like mixed you know you can't play middle of the road so you know either you're you're in or you're out or you know it's not both and uh you know if you wanted to be that hardcore gangster you'd be doing life so you know and if you want to change your life i'm good for you if you found god and all that and you're off drugs you know i give them a lot of credit but if uh you're going to talk like that then you got to walk like that and you're not a gangster so you know this is my own personal feeling to pass a good message you know that's yeah now i'm asking yeah i'm curious myself yeah you know because i'm always curious about mindsets of guys that you know you're not involved in what we were involved with so you know you know he doesn't have the understanding i'm just curious the mentality if you really changed and change you know you never met lefty [ __ ] no no i got cause i heard the wiretaps because he just cracks me up yeah you know i play for the he's funny as hell on the do you ever hear the wiretaps and by the way uh john's you got a loyal dude here yeah we grew up coming to uh okay he's behind the scenes out of respect you know what i mean thank you you know and for you too yeah he's been on some other shows okay yeah all right johnny i'm sure you're sick of sitting in this chat no man it was good it was something different and i really enjoyed it i really enjoyed it too and i i think what you're doing is great with the kids and uh you'll listen to it man okay and you're gonna be on a movie mike and i keep seeing it pop up yeah well we'll see you hopefully all right thanks you

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Length: 132min 10sec (7930 seconds)

Published: Tue Jul 27 2021