Joel Klatt on whether Ohio State belongs in Top 4 & Harbaugh's future in Michigan | CFB | THE HERD

joel klatt is despite our differences as i've talked about this before i'm a bit of a mentor to joel and i love having him on he's had 44 quarterback records at colorado most of those have been wiped out i'm sure but it's still great to have him on joel clatt the voice of college football the well-appointed man who comes on with nothing but information what's up man how are you i'm great let's start with wait can i go backwards real quick okay did you say cleveland's in the top 10 in your league yeah because i think baker's i think baker now that he's playing well is interesting he's been very nice to cleveland you know people love me there they don't admit it but they do no i've actually been there they don't joel he put the cleveland browns above the steelers in the herd hierarchy yeah well that's that's questionable in and of itself but you know he might be trying to hey cleveland he's trying a little too hard for your affection you know what i mean anyway so let's i'm going to say this about ohio state so there this happens um it doesn't happen a ton in sports but there are moments where tiger was actually bigger than golf for a while like he left tournaments and they shut down one in colorado and the masters lost half its audience so and it's rare michael jordan left the nba didn't have an the next michael and they lost 50 percent of their numbers so he was at least worth the league his value so i look at ohio state this morning and my takeaway is if i was ohio state i'd be like i don't care what the conference says the bottom line is i want to get to the playoff yeah i think they've i'm going to say this respectfully because our network has the big ten they've outgrown the big ten in a lot of respects and and and yet i think that they're also sensitive to the fact that you know this this is not new right the big ten is not new this was not just put together this is not like the pac-12 in this iteration where it's it feels kind of like the big ten has history to it and and so much i mean michigan ohio state have played every year since 1917 and so i think that they're at least sensitive to the fact that they don't want to throw that out because of one year but but the big ten has done no favors to ohio state at all tell me give me an example they first and foremost ohio state was fighting for them to just be patient at the beginning don't do anything rash like cancel the season you're right and they did it anyways you're right okay and and so then ohio state had to fight to even get back on the field this year in order to potentially play for a national championship and once they got that momentum going ohio state was fighting for an early october start and the big ten punted on that and they wanted to go later in october well when you go later now you don't have any wiggle room and in terms of big ten teams ohio state is the only team in the big ten that has lost two games and not on the scoreboard obviously but but gotten cancelled because of covet issues at other schools they're the only one that has had two games now that's a good postponed because of other schools issue now they had one postponement because of their issue yeah in the illinois game but uh in terms of maryland and now michigan it would be the opposite side of that so if ohio state says today talk to the hand right now all we care about is alabama clemson notre dame we're moving past your conference and your issues right now i would defend them on that um but what would they do i guess that would be my question and what regard do you want them to just go find a game well my thing is or no why do i need to find a game you butchered it the playoffs going to let me in i'm going to be led into the national championship that grouping so what do i why do i have to appease you the big ten everybody knows i'm one of the four best teams that's what i care about for the rest of the year yes but i still think that they need games right and one more maybe one more and and we'll see if i i've caught some wind that they're going to change the six game rule and and ohio state should be able to compete by the way the big ten championship which they should you're exactly right they missed out on the maryland game the illinois game and by the way the last two michigan games have been over at half right trust me i've been there they're a 30-point favorite for this one that's exactly right and the one thing though here's and ohio state fans are not going to like this if you do get a scenario where florida although unlikely beats alabama that's the problem and and clemson beats notre dame yeah and and you're only sitting at at six games or let's say five games and they don't change the rule and they don't let them into and they just get some crossover game next year and they're non a non-champ six and oh big ten uh ohio state team they could get past now there i'm okay with it i'm if they get past because bama loses and it's an argument like hey we see we still think you're great but there's just more i've seen more quality from somebody else but my thing is i i i can see ohio state this morning i'm defending them they look the part they are the part the games they missed are irrelevant blowout games against the illini and the terps and we fail to realize also and and listen i get i get labeled a buckeye defender and and that's fine i mean they're a great program they're on a historically great run right now they're clearly in the class of clemson and alabama i know dame's on a great run right now i think it's better we've got some of these northern teams that are playing great football totally agree okay so having said that let's just keep in mind now that as as great as alabama has looked they have had the ability to develop right it wasn't not listen i'm old enough to remember that in their first four games they gave up over 600 yards to ole miss right and everyone was like well maybe this defense isn't as good as we thought and then all of a sudden they've corrected those uh deficiencies on defense they've gotten better mac jones has even gotten better now alabama looks great well let's afford at least in some vein the same opportunity for development for ohio state everyone's like well in their first four games did you see how many yards indiana threw four well one indiana is a really good team they are and they proved that last week by not having their quarterback and still beating wisconsin basically on the back of their defense right so that team is a really good team which means that the win for ohio state over indiana is a really good win and then let's let's also remember that last week without three offensive linemen a defensive end a safety and their starting linebacker without their head coach and three more offensive assistants they went out there and hammered michigan state who had just beaten northwestern the previous week yeah so they got a lot better last week let's give them at least that opportunity for growth which was afforded alabama early in their season so um i think when i walk on the street people walk up to me and go hey you're america's honesty broker and uh so when everybody was kissing up to byu that's hilarious i was here saying i will defend two three and four loss sec teams over an undefeated mountain west team and you guys all love byu and they lost to something that sounds like a soap coastal carolina or something well coastal carolina by the way has two top 20 wins oh well they do they do that's a fact listen you want to be the honesty broker i just brought you facts right in the middle of your forehead okay they beat louisiana who beat a top 10 team but iowa state this year and they beat byu beat iowa state got that put up a plan the committee thinks iowa state is really good they could be ranked at seven uh look it was showing highlights i can't believe it was not on cable access don't listen how about this being the point hold on time out how about we just afford them an avenue for the playoffs or let them break away and have their own national championship okay that's fine don't i don't want to hear the mountain west has to be afforded a chance at a national championship why why because they went undefeated and never played in the stadium with more than 22 000 people this is an awkward position because i am a when it comes to big conferences i'm a snob like you like i'm a big conference snob and i don't i don't think that the the group of five schools play a requisite schedule or have a requisite roster to be able to compete in in a four team playoff i just don't right i think that you're taking an opportunity maybe that makes me a realist but i will tell you that it's beginning to to it's beginning to this whole notion that the playoff was in some way also an avenue for those little guys to play right now and that's just a lie so so here's the thing one of two things college football uh either expand the playoff and create an avenue for a group of five team to at least go compete if you want to if you want that so badly then then at least make a legitimate avenue or let them break away and let's create two divisions of major college football where you've got those schools vying for an 18 playoff in a national championship well which i think would create more interest in those schools in those games and let the power five go and and have their own place so let me ask you this this is funny so when they they started this playoff i missed this conversation one of the arguments was it'll give little guys a chance to get in yes who made that argument that was never i was never interested in that it was a false argument but that was one of the arguments that this this expanded play-off because there were no uh because it wasn't just two teams and it was now four teams and we're going to take just the four best and there's no criteria of having to win your conference and that this is going to create an avenue where a little guy could get in there and it's like no that's false that's absolutely the opposite has happened the opposite has happened and we think less of little guy which again it's i don't feel i'm being a snob saying i like miami beach better than living in nebraska in the winter i think it's a nicer place to live i don't think it's being snobby is it being snobby is that being snobby it's rude well rude but that's not snobby no but you are america's rudeness broker as well i'm just saying the idea that i'm supposed to be hey colin you have got to consider the mountain west i do consider it to have a beautiful campus the mountain west is not being considered right now okay the american was cincinnati and then you've got the coastal and the sun belt okay by the way there's a path for usc to potentially make the playoffs just saying i have a lot of connections there i've tried to be kind they'd get their doors blown off by any of these good teams possibly what happens if bama wins notre dame wins and ohio state wins out who's the fourth team florida with two losses yes oh okay florida plays usc tomorrow who are you taking i think vegas would put florida as a five-point favorite okay let's put florida in so we're just going to have vegas do it wait time out if this if that's your pushback for years i've been saying games have to matter games have to be like and so 50 percent i mean they lost to texas a m by the way your your better argument would have been well let's put texas a m in because at least texas a m beat florida on the floor would only have one launch all right i'm not anti-usc don't marginalize me love them dearly the luckiest team in the country during covid bama notre dame and oregon got knocked off their schedule they are they are lucky i'm just telling you that if you do get obama win a notre dame win and ohio state wins out like who's the fourth team then you go find an sec team so you want a a m in that regard i have no problem with a m in that regard okay that's fine i'm consistent with this that's fine and you laugh but there have been nights i've had two people come up and say hey you're america's a honesty broker that's how people view me i'm very proud of that okay one more thing here what time do we have one more thing oh oh so don't you think it's kind of coy so this has not been a great year i like harbaugh right but i know the game he's playing so i you know this is a funny game so jim's in trouble that team's uh just a gravel road of nothing and all of a sudden this week harbaugh up for five nfl jobs and all of a sudden jim's signing an extension at michigan he leaked that story so he could sign an extension well the extension was worked on in february maybe he knew they were going to be bad and well now he pulled out of those extension talks because of coven and and the the upcoming financial why did all of a sudden this week jim nfl teams keenly interested in harbaugh we're in week 12. michigan is not going to fire jim harbaugh so the only way that they part ways is if it's amicable and jim has a landing spot in the nfl so this might be listen and i know that there are ongoing extension talks this is true okay there are extension talks with jim and michigan right now now from what i've been told by sources close to it they are they are not very close on the money michigan wants to take them way down and base salary and make it an incentive-laden contract you've got to beat ohio because of this year you've got to win a defense oh come on you've got to do all these sort of things to make the money that you're making right now so from what i've been told he's thinking to himself well do i want to do that or just go back to the nfl and and so he's weighing that right now from what i've been told the the ball is in jim's court whether he wants to accept this extension from michigan which would be a three-year extension or move on and and go try something i will say this this is a good one i would accept an incentive-laden contract if it said you got to win a bowl game and you got to beat michigan state i'm not putting i got to beat ohio state in there because ohio state's a better program that's like asking auburn you got to beat bama i don't know the specific language i'm just saying in an incentive-laden contract i'm sure that there's some language in there about beating certain teams winning certain divisions potentially a conference crown potentially a playoff birth so on and so forth you set 44 school records at colorado you were known as loving to check down the swing pass that was old school when i was swinging past klatt is that right what was your proudest of setting um well i left this well first of all i was a walk-on and then i left as the all-time leading pastor okay but what stat did you like the most um give me one that really means something to you most fourth quarter comebacks now that's good so you're clutch i was close you're pretty good on this show now now the downside is first three quarters you're you were really struggled i might not be that might not be far from the truth folks so you're the most fourth quarter comebacks in colorado football history yeah at the time yeah i don't know if that's been passed or not that's a quite a stat you were the elway of colorado there you go and i grew up idolizing elway i grew up in denver so like oh the duke was my guy you know it pains me to see them struggle the way i know listen when you're our age i'm a little younger than you but when when you're our age elway is elway is all of our idols i was a high school ever everybody wanted to absolutely john elway is it and and of that group of of quarterbacks he stands that he's still a top five quarterback all time at least in my eyes okay you know what's funny about this and this is just a weird thing more players want to be steph curry than lebron because lebron physicality you can't be lebron as again that's right so kids want to be steph because they look and think i could be steph i can run around small guys shoot brady is great as he is i don't think he's the idol of a lot of quarterbacks because elway had there were so many things about him stanford the arm the drama like what with and this more people want to be favre brett favre i think is what a generation of kids wanted to be brett favre and elway brady's better than both statistically but i don't think kids idolize brady think of it this way john elway was 20 30 years ahead of his time if he came out now with his build and athletic ability and arm people would be talking about him as the the greatest quarterback prospect ever go look at youtube warren moon in 1974. if what you can i i was there i was in the stands warren moon was 6'4 mobile with a rocket on yes people are understanding warren moon nobody lost half of his career in canada in canada i totally agree by the way when he got to houston you remember his houston teams and denver and buffalo like they had some unbelievable afc match-ups back in the in the day when when the nfc was winning every single super bowl it was like houston denver and buffalo were playing unbelievable afc playoffs in the browns with bernie kozar under marty schottenheimer i'll give you i'll give you things you want to hear elway story true story first nfl game i ever went to do we have any music for uncle collins story time so when i was a kid we didn't have a lot of money and i was mostly a husky fan over a seahawk fan i love college football and i don't know really why because i don't know because husky's around longer or something i don't know and so i went to my first seahawk game of the jones family and i sat first row third deck i got there early and john elway was there in the old kingdom and they had the big seahawk logo yeah bad astro turf jim jordan steve argent sherman smith jack patera so i we get there early it is two hours before game time i have binoculars john ailway's in a half shirt a half c those were cool back then i still wear them but most people don't john elway at in the middle of the seahawk helmet the ear hole at the 50-yard line and i'm not making this up was flicking his wrist and hitting the the little uh flag in the corner oh yeah and i mean and i mean i'm not joking oh yeah 50 yards and he was aiming for the flag the pylon the pylon um and hitting it about every fourth row do you remember the uh the wide receivers for denver back in the day like mark jackson and ricky nateel had a tight end mobley if i recall uh no he was a linebacker mobley was a clarence k was a tight clearance clearance off the field problems haven moses haven moses was there uh dan reeves who was the head coach for the broncos back then in in like 86-87 kubiak was the backup gary kubiak was the backup quarterback and and he would throw you know the ball on one-on-one routes and also into all those wide receivers a lot and then john would come in and they would start dropping the ball because jon threw the ball so hard so dan reeves put in a if you're a starter you're not allowed to catch a ball from gary kubiak and practice rule and so those starters had to either catch it from the jugs gun marked all the way up to 10 or elway that was it and so they would just shred those old newman gloves those other old leather gloves they went through tons of leather gloves but you'd like that dan reeves you're un no starter can catch a ball unless it's from john ally or the jugs gun so we learned today when i walk down the street in manhattan beach what do people call me um a weirdo cause you've got a half shirt on that's pretty cool those are back by the way once again a little ahead of the curve here all right uh get out of here class four guys what game you got this week what what game you got oh high school they love them game um it's it's not official okay it's not official i can't i can't say anything 2020 college football isn't official by the way watch out for ucla in iowa there it is bring it up they don't play wisconsin plays iowa don't they yeah that's what i'm saying ucla and their game against usc and iowa against wisconsin in their game all right i just gave you two upset alerts no hey folks why does he not get to follow folks they'll almost be an upset riveting content hi everybody thanks for watching subscribe here to get the latest from the show also be sure to check out more of the best clips from the herd or go watch a few segments from other shows on fs1

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Published: Thu Dec 10 2020