Joe Rogan - How To Workout Smarter
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Length: 20min 9sec (1209 seconds)
Published: Tue Jun 19 2018
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Interesting. I missed this one because I always skip the UFC episodes. I wonder if I've missed other good training advice. I just assumed they talked about fighting the whole time.
The very first thing about soreness:
Beginners will always be sore. There's no way around that. That's what happens with new movements, even when they are light.
However, Joe's surprise just left me confused.
His overall approach is wonderful, and he seems pretty clued up about his training stuff. It's been a few days since I've watched this, so it's not super fresh in my head.
Some of the things he speaks about don't necessarily have a direct carryover to bodybuilding/strength training. We have to keep in mind, his field/focus/background is in coaching combat sports. It's a highly technical, intense and physically demanding pursuit. As such, he will highly value modalities that prioritises skill acquisition and retention. In the weightroom, we don't need to be as concerned with skill development/retention, since our bottlenecks lie somewhere else.
The spirit of what he's saying is mostly correct: look for consistency, if necessary dial back the average intensity to make it more sustainable etc. Following everything he says to a T isn't the best thing to do if hypertrophy/strength training is your main focus.
Watched this one this morning and although he mainly does BJJ there's some great insight on training methodology as it pertains to any type of weightlifting, training or GPP.
He is right. People get caught up in the idea that you need to beat yourself up.
That is true in very few instances, but science has shown over and over again that the consistency and progressive overload trump the short, but high intensities. The idea is to work hard and start modestly. Work up moderately and keep the ego at the door. Try to stop 1-2 reps shy of failure, but maybe on your last set you can go for it.
What a coincidence, my training partner just showed this to me a few days ago. I thought he was right in what he was saying for the most part. I didn't listen to the whole thing, only one segment in which he said you should never be sore during training and also about intensity. I think he's aiming that mainly at general populace when he states that but I do think you're gonna be somewhat sore or experience fatigue with any kind of training... whether it be bjj or general training.
This guy is spewing garbage about strength training and people in this thread are tripping over each other to say how amazing what he is saying is.
Never be sore? Ok, that's going to be really useful >_>. I'm not saying you should be sore all the time, but saying that you should never be sore is equally as dumb a statement.
I love how he brings up RPE and then clearly doesn't know anything else about it besides the basic RIR concept, because he's prescribing 5 reps with a 10RM, which is an RPE of 5 and essentially a warm-up set. If you look into RPE in strength training even a little you'd see that RPEs below 6 are almost impossible to accurately gauge and have almost no power to accurately predict estimated 1RMs and gauge progress. Almost all productive RPE work is done between RPEs of 7-8, with 6 only useful in some situations, 9s used sparingly as tests and 10s usually reserved for competitions. If "do 5 reps until it's really easy and go to 6" is you training methodology it's going to work for a short time while people are extremely untrained, unadapted novices who will respond to just about anything and stop working real quick after that. His rationale that doing sets to failure all the time is bad, which is true, means you should just do super easy, unchallenging sets is idiotic and refuted by basically all the research in sport/strength training. Guess who's done even more volume that your 5/10 strategy? The guy doing RPE right that was doing 7-8 pull-ups with a 10RM and therefore training in the RPE 7-8 range; who probably also either increased their overall rep max or was able to add weight while doing the same reps because they were working out in a range that *actually induced strength and hypertrophy adaptions*....meanwhile you're still doing 5 reps at an RPE of 5 because that shit is literally never going to result in a strength adaption and will only result in hypertrophy if you are working in many more sets than the other guys because your motor recruitment is going to fucking jank. He references Russian training styles without even understanding that while Sheiko programs in a way that is much more 'higher volume, technique focused and lower intensity' vs some other training, he still has them training at intensities that are above RPE 5, and definitely never below a 6, even though he's never actually implemented RPE by name in his training.
Maybe this guys knows a great deal about fighting and BJJ training, but he knows jack fucking shit about strength training and RPE if his argument is "training at RPE 10 is bad so we should be training at RPE 5 until it's a 4...also just 1 set". If Rogan wanted someone with real expertise in strength training there is a long list of good picks. Fuck if he wanted to talk about RPE why not have the guy who transferred that idea from endurance sport to strength training (Mike Tuchscherer) instead of some BJJ coach who read the reduced cliff notes and thinks the guy that rebranded 'being in the zone' (which itself is a concept that goes way back and was conceptualized independently in several areas of the world under different names; just look at Mushin in Zen) as 'Flow' is a 'genius'. The very fact that Firas equates sport-specific skill training like BJJ practice with strength training in terms of what works and how training should be structured just betrays he doesn't understand the difference between skill training/drills and strength/hypertrophy training because he thinks the training that is good for one is good for the other.
Then again, maybe he knows even less about RPE than it first appears, because later he talks about staying in the 70-85% range of max for training but doesn't talk about rep/set schemes...does he think all work at 70% is equitable? Because he certainly doesn't say anything to make it sound like he doesn't. The stock RPE chart has 10 at RPE 10 (the same % as 5 at RPE 5) at about 74% (but you are suppose to customize that for yourself on each lift after your first development block). Does anyone with even a little bit of study into strength training really think that doing 8@8 (also 74%) isn't going to be phenomenally better as a training protocol? Fuck, 8@7 (~70%) would probably give you better results at it's actually lighter. It's almost like he just skimmed a few buzz terms and never actually took the time to learn how they all fit together before he started acting like he knows everything and is handing down this paradigm changing great insight to the masses when he's just as wrong as the Crossfit 'do everything to the max everyday forever' ideology. Training any weight so far from failure will result in very little training effect outside of basic movement pattern skill acquisition; handling only 74% for only 5 reps is useless and will cause basically no real adaptions and doing 1 set of 5 every day is laughably minuscule volume and is only better compared to the equally bad protocol of doing 1 set of 10RM a week. Meanwhile, people training with sane, effective methods get in way more than 35 reps a week at a higher weight (and therefore higher weekly tonnage as well) because they did 3x8@7 or w/e on some back movement 2-3 times a week.
Instead, Rogan thinks he is having his mind blown by someone handing him down completely incorrect methodology based off his shallow understanding of strength training and intensity because doesn't know enough himself and made the mistake of going to someone in the field of fighting for their 'expertise' on strength training methodology. And of course, Rogan lacks the necessary knowledge foundation to see how ridiculously wrong Firas is as he bullshits his way through selling single sets of RPE 5 as productive strength training.
Ever since seeing the light of Rogan being the king of the pseudo-intellectual, libertarian-minded, 'I Am Very Smart' crowd it just becomes blatantly obvious in every clip I see of him and in most of the guests he brings on who ultimately don't inform or challenge anyone.ο»Ώ